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Jim Santel about that, a decision yesterday, and we talked to Jim in the afternoon, and this decision came down after that, so we'll be able to dig deeper into it, allowing the president to do almost any damn thing he wants at this point.
He is the dictator,
he's the
king.
and the Supreme Court has given them all those powers.
What if they refuse to do anything that he said?
I don't think they have.
What was the last time that they
said, no, he can't do that.
I don't think they have.
And this is their wet dream.
And you wouldn't imagine that the Supreme Court...
would go along with something like this just because there's a list of conservative things that they've wanted to do the last 50 years you wouldn't think that the Supreme Court these justices who only look at the law and how it's written would go along with a political agenda like this but boy have they wow good morning it's almost breathtaking okay
Okay,
yeah Just want to welcome everybody to the show.
I thought you were gonna join in start yelling
to I You know you you go right off the you know right off the deep end immediately I know what is wrong with you right?
It's too much sugar.
I gotta warm.
Yeah, I gotta I gotta you know get going here.
I
apologize too much coffee already you
Well, I had French toast this morning.
My
famous French toast,
by the
way.
You're not unfamiliar with my famous French toast, but what I do is I make normal French toast.
But as I am frying the first side, I sprinkle cinnamon on the top.
And then when I flip it over, the cinnamon becomes grilled, fried.
Yeah, nice patina on the French toast.
And I had to slip it in.
And it tastes great.
But I think I use actual maple syrup.
And I think that stuff jazzes me up just a little bit.
But this isn't the first morning I've done this either.
OK.
So
who knows?
So what time do you wake up in the morning?
Do you make this early, early in the morning at 4 AM?
Oh, no.
It's frozen.
I make an entire loaf of French toast.
And I freeze most of it.
The kids eat half of it.
I freeze half of it.
And I just pop it out.
You know, put it in the microwave.
It's done.
That works.
Yeah.
I gotta say this.
This is unbelievable.
You know, yesterday, we talked to Pete Schwabba.
Yeah, we did.
On the, on the... All right.
The nightlight show.
What
are
you talking about?
Yeah, he's a lot of fun to talk to, right?
Yes.
But here's the thing, and he has brought this up a whole bunch of different times.
Okay.
His movie, the movie that he made.
The
Godfather of Green Bay, right?
He brought it up again.
And I asked him, well, where can I see this?
And he said, you can see it on Prime.
And then he said, you could see it for free on Tubi.
And I'm halfway through the movie.
And I got to say, this is really a good movie.
He wrote it, he produced it.
And
he's
star.
And it's just gorgeous.
it's a great movie.
And you know how a lot of these movies made in Wisconsin, poke fun at Wisconsin, the Green Bay Packers and cheese, they make fun of it, but they do it in a great way.
I mean, it's very dry, good sense of humor.
The quality is just, you know, fantastic.
Big thumbs up.
It's a huge thumbs up so far halfway through the movie.
I
don't know how it ends, but.
Was it in focus?
Uh, yeah.
As
a matter
of fact, it was.
Okay, good.
Wow.
I always like to check the focus.
I'm glad you asked.
I know after the movie, they interviewed some of the actors that were on the...
on the movie and they were saying how much, you know, they respected Pete as, you know, a director and everything like that.
Is that right?
Where'd you see that?
On YouTube somewhere.
Just search up Godfather after after show, you know, interviews.
Okay, well, it's interesting.
Good to know.
So a big thumbs up for me halfway through and I gotta tell you, you know, if you want to see a fun movie that takes off and a lot of the crazy stuff we believe and do in Wisconsin, this is the one.
Godfather of Green.
Yeah,
he's a
comedian.
I
it was like the story of his life, really.
And then he's told that if he appears at this Green Bay comedy bar that there's a guy there that will really, you know, make him a success
ignore him.
And he goes up to this bar and it's just a disaster.
But I mean, it really is, it's fun stuff.
I'd
love to check it out.
I can't wait.
He did a great job on that.
That's John Peterson.
I'm Gordie Young, just to make some introductions
here.
Oh,
and Dom is the engineer.
Dominic Lee.
If you didn't mention me, Catherine would have, you know, she would have been.
I know, I'm trying to
prevent her from.
Texting is
constant.
Oh, there it is, a stream of the
comments.
Yeah, OK.
It's cloudy out there this morning.
It's humid.
It's going to be very warm and humid all day.
It's already close to 80 degrees.
Oh,
you're a downer, aren't you?
You just come in here and you
start complaining about the
weather.
We could be in for some showers and scattered thunderstorms at times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It looks like we're going to get some rain.
Yeah.
We're going to talk to Tim Slecker in a little while.
Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
Get the latest on whatever's going on in the world of education.
And also Abby Abramovich.
She's from Downedrens Distilling.
And she'll give us an update there.
We've got something in the works with her and we'll reveal a little bit of that a little bit later on.
And Jim Santel will join us again.
Seems like we just talked to him yesterday.
But we're going to talk to him again.
Oh, that was when we were filling in for Maggie Dawn.
Yeah.
So,
but like I mentioned, you know, the whole thing here, the Supreme Court made the decision after we had talked to him.
Right.
And he was like our last guest.
I know.
Yeah.
Supreme Court's very busy.
They just never take a break anymore.
13 minutes past the hour, should we get into what's, really?
What's the thing is?
What would you rather do?
What would you rather not do?
Would you rather do or not do?
Would you rather not do?
Okay.
All right, let's hear some reverb.
Go
ahead.
There we go.
Oh yeah.
Love to hear it.
Okay.
Alright, alright, alright.
That was the first time you ever tried to use reverb, wasn't it?
That was, yep, yep.
And it'll probably be the last.
I'm not using that again.
No,
it's just great.
It's just
unbelievable.
A couple of days ago I even added more, so I'm glad you guys heard that.
Alright, first question.
Would you rather be the ugliest person in the world?
Or smell the ugliest or not smell the smell the worst.
So I would smell the worst.
Yes.
It'd be the ugliest person
or smell the worst.
It's not
good
choices.
Okay.
I would rather be the ugliest.
I wouldn't want to smell.
You know?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I
think
you're right on that one.
Yeah.
I'd go along with that.
There's a positive side to that, of course, you know.
What's
that?
There's somebody for everybody in this world.
And no matter how bad you look.
There's going to be someone before you.
Okay.
And that's the reason why I'm with Anne today.
Oh
man.
All right.
All right, there you go.
See a little face.
A little would you rather knowledge from John?
You should have added reverb to that.
All right, second question.
Would you rather go a year with no hair or go a year with no fingernails at all?
This one's harder.
This one is definitely harder.
Definitely harder than the first one.
Well.
Well, I'll go with no hair.
Go with
no hair.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really?
You gotta have your finger to... I play guitar and I gotta have fingernails for that.
I guess that's, yeah.
Well, just for support and for finger picking.
Look
awful.
You didn't have fingernails.
I don't
care.
So, you know, I... Yeah.
Really?
Yeah, no hair, but I have a weird-shaped head and I don't imagine that, you know...
It looks red looks smooth or anything.
So I yeah, it would be embarrassing.
It would be awful But okay, I'll go with that.
I would say yeah, I would I would say go no hair as
people
have you know bald head and look great.
Mm-hmm, but there are people that can't do that, right?
Okay, sure.
Yeah, I guess I yeah,
yeah You're right.
You are
right.
Yeah.
Oh My god, well, thanks for agreeing with me.
You know, I would have gone off the deep end if you hadn't
We didn't provide anything
after.
There's
sparrows again, and they're like...
There's something up there.
They want to get... Yeah, there's something on the ledge or something over there that they want to get to.
Who's feeding the birds on the outside of her second-story window?
I don't know.
Yeah, it is looking
cloudy out there.
It looks like the rain
is... We're gonna get some storms.
Yeah?
Look, see?
There's the radar.
Oh, wow.
I know you're a weatherman.
Well, a lot of that is.
We can't check the radar now
on
their phones.
Okay.
There it is.
Okay,
well, thank you for that.
I appreciate that.
You know, I'm in a very giving mood lately.
I want to give stuff away.
I've noticed that.
I like to, you know, I care about people around here, civic media, and I, you know, I try to help them out whenever I can.
You owe me a 20.
Is there any chance you can pass that out too?
I shun you at every, at every
opportunity,
but I'm in a giving mood today, John, because
I've got some Chula Vista Resort tickets to give away.
This
is a one night stay in a junior suite includes a Chula Vista Resort water pass for four.
Yes.
Also includes a dining voucher at Kilborn City Grill and a zip line adventure at Chula Vista.
Wow.
Let's see, how could we give this away?
How about if we just take the first phone call this morning?
608-879-8255.
Really?
And if you haven't won anything in the last 30 days,
These tickets will be yours.
A Chula Vista overnight stay.
It's water passes for four and a stay overnight at the junior suite.
And it's all at Chula Vista.
So we'll take the first caller, 608-879-8255.
And by the
way, if it's just you and you don't have anybody else to take with you, there's Gordy, John, and John.
That equals four.
So we could all go with you.
All right.
Looks like we've got a caller right now.
All right, let's go to the phones.
They hesitated
until we offered our services and
now we have
a boom.
Troy, Troy from
Monholy.
Hey, Troy, how you doing?
Oh my god, I won.
You won, buddy.
You're a
winner, man.
Congratulations.
You won a Chula Vista Resort Overnight State of Junior Suite.
Includes water passes for four people and dining voucher at Kilburn City and a zipline.
Congratulations, Troy.
Oh, wow, thanks.
All right.
All
right.
Have
a great day, guys.
Hang
on, hang
on.
Don't go
anywhere we got to get some information from.
Don will get the information.
You're
not in the
way
of
me daddy.
We got to get your name and address and email and date of birth.
Troy says he's going to take us
with him now.
So that's
right.
What?
Troy doesn't know anybody else, so it is John, Gordy, and Don.
There you go.
Exactly.
That'll be fun.
All right, Troy.
Congratulations.
All right, Troy.
Stay on the line for a couple of
minutes.
We need to get some info from you.
And we'll have another chance in our next hour.
Really?
Yeah.
We're going to give away some more.
All right.
Let's see.
Did I mention who's coming up?
Oh, yeah.
Jim Santel.
We'll be with us, also, Abby Abramovich from Downedrens
Distilling.
Yeah, we got some important stuff to get to with Tim Schlecker from Busted Pencils.
We'll be talking again about AI.
They're really on this thing.
Yeah.
And we'll also be talking about Christopher Rufo, who is known mostly for CRT.
Okay, okay critical race theory and and of course he's a broad net to DEI and everything else So we'll be getting into that Manhattan Institute.
Yeah, and we'll talk to Tim Slecker in about 15 minutes right here on John and Gordy in the morning for a Thursday stay with us,
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The big plan now by the Trump administration, their big plan in order to deal with the Epstein fallout is to go silent.
They don't want to talk about it, you know.
Maybe if they stop talking about it, everybody else will stop talking
about it.
They'll just
go away.
Yeah, they're gonna refuse to say anything about the investigation that they've been revealed that, you know, Trump is on the list a number of times.
Pam Bondi said so.
Of course, she acted like, oh, we don't even have a list anymore, you know.
She
blown her credibility so many times, it is almost frightening.
And yet she gets out there in front of the cameras.
You know, the person that really bothers me is Tulsa Gabbard, okay?
Oh yeah.
She is just, this is a showboat of showboats.
She came out.
Had a press conference yesterday or was it or the day before
she came out in
a white outfit?
Yeah, you know and she has that dark hair, but yeah those white streaks
and that white
outfit and white streaks Wow just
Yeah,
Gorge
stunning
just stunning oh Yeah, and people just you know we're falling all over themselves trying to figure out what to say to her.
She was so stunning No, she
She's all presentation with no content whatsoever.
I can't understand how Well, anyway, I guess I can't understand how anybody is in the administration They're they're all completely unqualified and yet they're out there.
They're doing their thing
now I understand that they but there's also the house is involved and you know the yeah Congress and they took a vacation well, they're
But there's word out today that they have subpoenaed Bill and Hillary Clinton.
So we're really going back in time.
What says Bill and Hillary Clinton subpoenaed according to the New York Post.
I feel slighted.
I mean, I haven't got votes to subpoena Bill and Hillary over possible links to Jose.
If they're just asking anybody, I don't know why we're not on the list.
Yeah, I know.
When are we going to get
something?
I know.
We may not have anything to offer, but I think that's the point.
Exactly.
Let's just keep asking questions
of people who don't know anything, and if we drag it out long enough.
Really, Bill and Hillary.
I know.
Really reaching back.
All right, let's go to the phones.
We've got Mark on the line.
Mark, welcome to the show.
Good morning,
Mark.
Yeah, just keep on flinging, and then maybe something will stick.
because of the Supreme Court, and Joe Biden and Barack Obama are both, they can just claim, well, this was just under our official duties, so we're immune from anything, and
we
don't
like
it.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it is just, it is just beyond what they think they're gonna accomplish, because they're just serving Donald Trump, and they all hate, you know.
Yeah.
And they're fortunate that if indeed, as I think I've said before, if indeed the Justice Department was indeed weaponized against Donald Trump, Donald Trump would not be a free man right now.
They would have just ignored the courts as acid be in jail.
They just don't seem to get it.
I mean, Donald Trump is Mr.
Well,
it's against everybody and that he still claims that I mean poor little Donald Trump.
What the heck?
He's turned the White House into a pale copy of Versailles with the old leaf everywhere.
I
know.
It really looks
crappy.
Yeah, it's so good.
It's gaudy.
I think,
you know, used to use the
word gaudy
a
lot.
All
right, we're gonna have to start using it again.
It just looks tacky.
Oh, tacky.
Yeah.
That's true.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not even attractive except to, you know, that then
It's not supposed to it's not supposed to look like you know mere log was in the White House.
It's not supposed to look like a palace for goodness sakes President is not a king
Yeah,
but apparently the anti-federalists were right and this is what the presidency is gonna be with a with a man You know like I've said before so I'm federalist 67 Hamilton said oh, no the president is not gonna be a you know imperial president It's not he's not gonna be sitting in his office surrounded by minions and mistresses and
now have his murderous genoceries.
And, uh, of course he does have his murderous genoceries now, which is ace.
Yeah.
They might
be going, not all going killing people, you know, right and left, but I mean, there's certainly, well, that's next.
Died in custody now.
Well, yes.
That's next.
So,
uh, you can meet like animals out of out of dishes with their hands, you know, zip tied behind their backs.
Yeah.
You mentioned that
you actually give us a text on it where they're eating with their, uh, their, their hands and.
Yeah.
Well, it's just outrageous at both
their hands.
I mean, alligator
Alcatraz, basically.
Yeah.
Auschwitz.
I mean, it's nothing more than a concentration camp because it might look a little cleaner than those, but it's just because it's made out of metal rather than wood like Nazis had.
Mark, thank you for the
call.
All right, we'll talk to you later.
And we've got more coming up.
We've got Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils next.
Yep.
On John and Gordy in the morning, stay with us.
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That's what I'm beginning to believe.
It is kind of cloudy over St.
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Let's go now to Tim Slacker
from Busted
Pencils is with us each and every Thursday morning talking about education and yeah a lot of things are happening in education and we're still debating the AI
thing that is taking place and sweeping through education as we speak.
And
guys are now finally, you know, kind of becoming a little more distrustful of the whole idea of AI, you know, trust as much as you used to.
Yeah,
I don't know.
Well, for example, right now, you know, I'm
pretty sure that this John that I'm talking to is not really John because I mean the image of you shows you with a Barbie t-shirt.
Well he's a big fan.
that has to be an AI creation.
You would never wear a
a Barbie t-shirt.
That's true, I mean.
Well,
how do we know that you're not an AI, you know.
With pencils through your head.
You've got pencils through your skull.
It looks very bizarre, Tim.
Yeah, it
is.
No, I don't know if it's the distrust.
I think what we were trying to say is that, you know, this reality of...
acknowledging that what what AI can produce is can really deceive people and that deception is turning
What I worry about is some people getting to the standpoint of saying, you know, well, I don't believe in anything anymore.
I don't believe anything's true.
I don't, you know, I know for sure somebody's always lying to me.
And, you know, living in a democracy where we're supposed to have some form of trust and particularly in our institutions, which we already know trust in the institutions of this country are low right now.
And so.
AI, how that's contributing to that distrust, we worry about it.
I mean, there was another piece just talking about also the kind of distrust students and teachers and faculty are having back and forth with each other.
Faculty and teachers aren't sure when kids are using it and they're worried.
Kids are concerned that teachers are accusing them of using it when they're not.
You know, I'm not distrustful of that.
There was a point though And I don't know if you heard of Johnny and I talking about this in the the article article we were citing I forget there's actually quite a bit of research now starting to come down on this idea of trust but There was a thing about saying well if you use AI do people start to look at you
Well, you must not be that intelligent if you need AI to help you.
Yeah,
that's interesting.
You know, and for me, I was sitting there going, I'm like, okay, so I think that my use of AI is really contributing to me being more productive, making things more, you know, kind of.
just creative, I can get things done faster, and never popped into my mind that people might be looking at me going, well, you know, I mean, he uses AI.
Yeah, yeah.
Not, yeah, you know, I mean, he.
Take an easy way out to him, you know.
Yeah, you know.
And I was just like, wait.
I thought people looked at me funny, you know, for all kinds of reasons.
Yeah, but, you know, and, you know.
You guys were, you guys were talking about that and it just seems like, you know, the AI thing could be a lazy way to do things, but I think Johnny brought up the fact that people may use it just for the more menial tasks, you know, the things that are just, you know, normal everyday task worthy things that you have to do anyway.
So it could do that, get that out of the way while you do the better research, the more in-depth personal research, right?
Yeah.
I mean, think about this.
I'm working on something right now that I need to put together a budget and a timeline for completing a project, right?
I use AI, I describe the project, I put it down and I'm like, you know, here's the budget number we're shooting for.
And I said, you know, give me a hypothetical budget and a hypothetical timeline.
And, you know, it can do all that work really quickly, right?
And I think that's a great thing because now I can take that hypothetical and put it to the team that's looking at that very quickly and we can make decisions where, you know,
Putting together a hypothetical before AI you know that in and of itself was a huge task where now I can complete that very quickly and get it to a group of us so that we can look at it and make revisions.
I think that's an
incredibly powerful use of AI because, you know, the fact that it can whip together a budget and you look at the product and you go, okay, actually that's not bad.
But I don't know, you know, I guess I get the complex of going, okay, you know, so when I bring this hypothetical budget to the next meeting, people are going to look at me and go, you know, we know you used AI to put this together,
Tim.
Well,
calm down.
It's
not so
bad.
I just thought of a perfect example.
I was in production for a long period of time, audio production for, you know, some of the advertising agencies around town and they would bring their scripts in.
And then finally, looking at those scripts.
talking to the talent, hearing how they say it.
We make a lot of adjustments in
order to make it better.
And
rewrites.
Yeah, and the rewrites are where the magic really happened.
And I think what you're
talking about is exactly the same kind of thing.
Yeah, I mean what I'm bringing is I'm bringing a document with the intention for full revision Yes, it just it just gives us that ability to start much quicker.
Yes.
Yes,
yeah And and and dig into the meat earlier You know good and so anyway, I I I just here's the other part.
It's not
As I forget who quoted this, but it ain't gonna un-invent itself.
And so we need to keep thinking about it, you know, and I don't know unless they maybe start training the AIs on, you know, like some kind of self-destructive thoughts.
Well, I
think we have the media doing that for us.
As I mentioned before, we went on the air, there's a headline at NPR saying, Trunksie.
Trump's EPA now says greenhouse gases don't endanger people So that has now entered AI and AI is gonna spring with spring that out on us every once in a while.
So I Wait,
I'm waiting for AI though to one time go.
Okay, like this is done.
I can't do it.
Yeah, even
I'm sorry, I can hear the air gun.
Even I don't believe this crap.
Well, you know, a lot of
people are...
angry with GROC, you know, X's AI, and they're angry because GROC sounds too woke, too liberal, and they're getting angry.
And of course, you know, Musk keeps making adjustments to it, and it's now starting to sound like Musk saying, you know, Nazi this, Nazi that.
So yeah, now I think that's not still, it's not appeasing the omega cult out there.
So, yeah.
Then
that's
what I worry about when when he started making adjustments to AI and it started sounding like him That's when I became very skeptical of the whole idea of AI and that's why I mentioned to you last week I think we talked about it and that is that we have to have some kind of guardrail some official Stamp of approval from the government, which is now you can't trust the government because it's under Trump But some stamp of approval where they get accredited in a certain way for providing information
through their AI,
the specifically designed
AI.
And that's kind of where we are, right?
I mean, I think that leads into the other story we want to cover, which is, right?
And at this moment, we have this sense from, you know, every special interest group, and I'm serious, I'm not going to give anyone more credit or, but if you don't,
Give me what I believe to be true.
I now look at you as a source of disinformation Yeah, I'm talking about in the big right every it's like, you know, I need my radio news.
I need my Information about this because if I ever read something counter to what I believe
I know that it's not an opposing view that I should take seriously and look critically at.
I know for sure that it's just you trying to control me.
And that's where we say that's unhealthy and whether AI contributes more to that because it can produce things that
give people a sense of going, see, this is real here.
And I know that there's a truth here and that you're trying to hide the truth, bury it from me.
You know, and so this, everybody's now like, you know, on your, we're on our individual teams and within our individual teams, we don't have a central source of information that all the teams, no matter what side you're on, you can look at and go, Oh, instead, we've said, you know what,
We're going to have our own news gathering and production.
And, you know, because you can't trust those lefty woke Marxist liberals because you know what they're up to, you know, they're up there.
They're out to conquer the world.
And so we're going to create our own sources of information.
You're you're you're referencing the Manhattan Institute.
Well, yeah, yeah.
Here it is.
Here it is.
What is that?
Christopher Rufo, who was a big supporter or anti-supporter of critical race theory, and then he said he was going to expand it into other areas because it was so successful, making people believe that critical race theory was actually taught in K through 12.
So
thought, why not?
You know, if people believe that, let's go with DEI.
And now that's Manhattan Institute and Christopher Rufo.
are talking about you know clearing out colleges and making sure that you know uh like i think it was ending social and political activism on campus which is scary as hell
what well now remember i know we're coming up on a break yeah depending what what do you mean stopping um it's making sure that
Incorrect bad liberal protesting and criticism stops and The contract that the Manhattan has put on higher education is going to Mandate that the things that they care about though that's going to be something that universities
must do Okay, we'll continue this conversation in just a few moments with Dr. Tim Slecker from busted pencils stay with us on John and Gordy in the morning
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We're talking to Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils and we mentioned earlier that the Manhattan Institute and Christopher Rufo going after the colleges, I think they're really going after Harvard in this.
instance but at the same time they've asked for an end to social and political activism on campus and I think they found the Achilles heel because Columbia University has reached a settlement with the Trump administration and they're gonna pay out 220 million dollars and the point of this is they're being accused of failing to adequately address anti-seminat
or anti-Semitic harassment on campus.
is what they're going for.
That's what they're talking about.
And I guess, you know, this is where their focus is at this point.
Focus on campus.
You know, we've been doing this for at
least
the last 60, 70 years
easily.
Well, OK, so I'm going to try to do something here with it.
that the Rufo and their people will never do, which is to say, okay, what is a university and a place like that and its commitment to free speech, right?
Free speech.
And so you say, well, a protest fits within a free speech.
And so it should be allowed.
And so they shouldn't be outlawing that.
Now, what you can't do on a college campus,
is that you can't make people have a fear that they are going to potentially be harmed, or you can't interfere with a group of people trying to conduct their business, right?
And so some of what happened in some of these protests were, you know, we're talking about the protests were for protesting the Israeli war in Gaza.
And so Jewish students felt
harassed and sometimes even, you know, threatened to the point that they couldn't conduct their lives the way they're supposed to be on campus.
Well, that did happen in some places and that should be acknowledged as that is bad, inappropriate, illegal, threatening behavior.
That's not free speech.
That's not protesting.
And so
cover that, admit that, take care of it.
But what's happened now, though, is that what Rufo and them have said is that so everything that happens on campus, see, that's the woke mind virus, that's the left liberalism, and we need to outlaw that.
And you're going like, wait a minute, no, the laws are already on the books that say
Student you're not allowed to do the things that happened and guess what enforce the laws And this is where the conservatives always drive me crazy because they're like, you know, we don't need new laws for gun control We just need to enforce the laws.
All right.
Okay, then we don't need new Bands on campus protesting we need to allow the protesting and when there is bad behavior Illegal behavior or things that go against what we have said, you know how this happens then you enforce that
you don't turn it into a national spectacle and then
have essentially a university like Columbia stepping up and going, you know what, make it go away.
Here's $220 million, which then creates an atmosphere on campus that starts to say like, okay, I don't think I'm going to ever step out and point out that something's bothering me.
And you go, that's supposed to be the hallmark of higher education.
Left, right, middle, you should have the ability to set up and go, hey,
Here's what I think.
Even if it's offensive, if you're not interfering with people and not destroying property, you can come on a college campus, you know, and it just reminds me 1987, I forget the guy's name, but here he is on, you know, this podunk little college where I went, Edinburgh University, you know, and he's walking around campus yelling at all of us about, you know, we're going to HE double toothpicks.
Because, you know, because we were drinking and, you know, exploring sexualities and things like that.
And guess what?
He was allowed to come on campus to do that.
And he should have been allowed, and we should allow that type of thing.
But the Manhattan Project in Rufo...
They're using these times where things might not actually be happening according to the way they're supposed to.
And then using that as leverage to come in from what was their original belief to begin with, which is we want to be in control.
We want our view of the world enforced.
Let's use this opportunity to say, see, we're going to outlaw this left wing, woke indoctrination, and we're going to install right wing.
indoctrination and we're going to do that under the guise of establishing objectivity and freedom and nothing could be further from the truth.
It just seems like when they use that language it's political and it should be challenged in court somewhere because they're picking on an individual individual's political belief and that's protected by the First Amendment.
Yeah, yeah.
Like I said, I
mean,
yeah.
We
gotta leave it there, guys.
Yeah.
Dr. Tim Slugger, thank you for
joining
us.
We
almost solved that problem here.
Thanks for cutting us off.
Sorry.
We were on the verge of a solution.
Damn.
Oh, and when you find the real John who's not wearing a Barbie shirt, let me know.
All
right,
Tim, we'll do
that.
Appreciate
you being with us,
Busted Pencils, with new podcasts Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
And they're on the weekends, too, on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Thank you, Dr. Tim.
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