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We have showers and thunderstorms in Madison working their way through the downtown area here, state streets.

Got a little bit of flash flooding going on.

Probably downpours.

But this should all clear out.

We'll see a high near 90 this afternoon with a lot of sunshine expected later.

Right now, it's in the mid-70s.

And we've asked Tom and Christie Manis to stick around for a few more minutes.

We were talking with them just before the break about this book, the historic Wisconsin roadside.

There's just so much in this book and so much that you've traveled all over the state.

You know, you

seem like we've seen some of the better things.

We couldn't just let you go.

I mean, all the things that you could still tell us.

You know, you know, Historic Wisconsin, you're telling people, you know, hey, try this out, try that out.

But you've also got another book and that is Secret Wisconsin.

Yeah, right.

This is different.

Look at Wisconsin,

right?

What's the biggest secret that we have

in Wisconsin?

The biggest secret?

Well, we have so many secrets in Wisconsin.

I know.

We'll have to choose from.

There's so many more that

we have written about.

But they're secret.

So we

can't really

tell anybody about it.

Right.

So

maybe we should just sit quietly.

No.

Let's not get into that.

We'll tell us some of the things in secret Wisconsin.

Yeah.

So in Durand, which is where we live now, near us in Eau Claire.

It's

about 20 minutes away in downtown.

There's hundreds, maybe thousands of people go past downtown, have no idea what's there.

In the Corral Bar, the owners bought the building next door and to create an event space.

And so they started turning into it and they found this big colorful buffalo behind the, you know, the boards and stuff that are turned out.

And they're like, okay, what's going on?

So

he carefully tore it away.

And what happened was there is a 55 foot long by nine foot tall temporary circus poster from the 1880s.

It was only supposed to last about two to two and a half months.

And one of the curators at Circus World said that it's the biggest and most preserved circus poster of its kind he's ever seen.

And so circus performers, they would travel ahead.

and do the advertisements, and they use lithograph paper, and they would stamp them as, you know, advertising, obviously.

And so they wouldn't have to come back and take them down.

Wow.

Now I lived in Baraboo for eight or nine years, and I've been to Circus World a number of times, and they have such a huge collection of that kind of memorabilia, these old

Gorgeous posters and of course the circus wagons in there any other historic finds like that in your in your secrets of Wisconsin book

a little different But one thing that I think is really cool is down in cut a hay.

I think I'm saying that yeah Yeah, there's an old department store.

It's called dread skis

Wow,

and it is you it's still is still open mm-hmm, and you walk in and it's like walking back in time They're still selling old stock

Stuff yeah, you can buy if you need a leisure suit

from 70s, you can go buy one.

And

the original owner still works behind the counter.

At least she did as of like six months ago.

And they don't buy any new stock.

It is literally a department store filled with old, old stuff.

Where do they get it?

I apparently they've

had stock

and no, no, this

is like

original stuff.

They still have.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

It is.

And

it's big.

It's a

big store.

But one of the things with that that fascinates me is they still have the old cash pay system where the

you know, a person at the counter, they take their money and put it in a cup and they send it to the people upstairs in this old metal railway.

No.

And then they make change.

The accounting department makes change and they

send it

back.

You're kidding.

You have to drive down there and just go in this department.

This is in Cudahy?

Yeah.

And it's

right on, like, the main street.

Yeah.

This is where I buy my Patrick Cudahy bacon.

Is that right?

Well, stop there.

That's where you got that leisure suit that I bought.

Oh, yeah, I get a leisure suit.

That's an amazing thing.

I mean, that's something you notice when you're in there, right?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, we had heard about this and thought we had to check it out.

That's one thing we do.

We

don't look it up online or,

you

know, right

at

that way.

We actually go to everything.

Wow.

I mean, to the point where we heard about the Marfa lights not too long ago, a couple of years ago and decided Marfa lights down in Texas,

South Texas.

Oh, yeah.

So we had to drive all the way down there and check it out.

And was it worth it?

It was.

Oh, definitely.

It was.

Yes.

Yeah.

What is it?

Yeah, nobody knows that's what really I mean sit in the sky It

is and I walked away thinking that it's got to be extraterrestrial

or

something I mean it's been disputed.

We did a story on it and we researched it and researched it and even

PhDs say there's no explanation for it.

So

people have tried to disprove and they can't but but lights different color lights they hover in the air right above the horizon and sometimes they'll split and

they kind

of slowly dance and then they'll disappear and then they'll reappear again and at one point we counted 11 at the most and you know we're skeptics so we're like we kept going back we went back early in the morning like four o'clock in the morning we went back you know the next night and they were still there and we found out we were so lucky because most people don't see them

This

is the kind of stuff we do though.

We love to get out and see what we can find and find out the answers and figure out the why.

Is there like a secret here in Madison or around Madison that we should know about?

Or at least you know an adventure that people could take in Wisconsin in Madison or

or nearby.

What do you guys

know about Gravity Hill?

Well,

is this in the

Dells?

No.

This is the old Wonderspot.

No,

no,

come on.

The thing was nuts.

No

Wonderspot.

They have like six places in the country.

Yeah, they are all Hills and Gravity Hills, right?

You fall and you're rolling down the hill.

Okay, out in Schultzburg, not too far from Madison.

Okay,

yeah, yeah.

On a country road, you park your car on the country road, and Gravity pulls it uphill.

Oh,

no.

Like there's little elves pushing you.

No, seriously.

Yeah.

And so there's a blue sign that gives you instructions, and it's right outside the city limits.

It's right there.

And so you put a neutral, and we're not talking about just slowly rolling.

I mean,

we were up to like five miles an hour rolling.

I mean.

In skeptics that we are, we went back like.

two or three times and spent time there doing all different angles.

It's an optical illusion.

I mean, you could be actually uphill or downhill.

That's

so cool.

You have to do it.

I mean, what a great

thing to take a carload of kids to, you know,

and freak them out.

Yeah.

Yes.

Not explain

it.

One time we were there and we had to wait in line because people were over on the side of the road waiting.

Right.

Right.

It's like a

cornfield.

OK.

We got time for a couple more there.

There's one here that I wanna find out.

You say somebody, the original Butterburger is not where we think it is.

Okay, where do we think?

Is this Culver's?

Or no?

Okay,

so this is a place you really have to check it out.

You have to see this in person.

Okay, so 1936, isn't 30's a blue's 36?

Solly's Grill in Glendale.

So they say they have the original Butterburger.

So obviously skeptics, you know, we have

to

check out.

So they have the butter is actually cooking on the grill.

They

put the burgers on and then they steam it with onions and then they take the bun.

Now, before they take the bun, they take, they have just, you know, stacks and stacks of one pound blocks of butter.

Of course, it's Wisconsin, you know, thank goodness.

Not hard to find butter.

Yeah.

And so what they do is they put it room temperature, then they put an old fashioned milkshake machine with the metal cup and they whip it really good, you know.

Oh, beautiful.

Okay.

And

then.

Then they take it when the, right before the burger is done, they take it and it's just like icing.

They have a like an icing spreader.

They dip it in and they put it in.

It must be like three inches thick on the top.

They spread it on the top of the bun.

And so then they put the burger on, they put the top on and then the butter melts on top and it's just like the burger and they have these special plates that fit it just right.

So, but the butter melts and it's like the burger is sitting in them.

a moat of butter.

It's like this deep.

I was going to say, it seems like a wet burger.

It's healthy.

They couldn't have to help you though.

Well, that's helpful, yes.

Wow.

All right.

That seems like a unhealthy thing to eat on a regular basis.

Slightly.

Yeah.

It's amazing the amount of people that are there for it.

Oh,

yeah.

Everybody there ordered it.

Yeah.

I mean, it was crazy.

Now that's just north of Milwaukee, right?

Right.

Here's another cool thing.

Okay.

Up in the northwest corner in a town called Luck, they used to make the Dunkin' Yoyos.

Oh, sure.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And there's a museum there.

I mean, there's nothing else, really, but there's a

museum.

They have

a yo-yo

museum?

Yeah, the world's largest yo-yo is

there.

Oh, I love it.

I have so many dunking yo-yos at home.

The world's largest.

It's just unbelievable.

Do you have a

pink one?

I have a pink one.

I have a speckled black speckled one and one that actually lights up.

And one is kind of a butterfly shape.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I

love

those.

Those are easy to equip.

Well, how big is the largest yo-yo?

Oh.

Chest high,

waist high.

OK.

OK.

Wow.

Well, we were talking about your swatch off the air, and you have a collection of swatch watches as well.

I do.

I collected watches for a

like.

You collect a lot of things along the way?

Yeah.

You must be big souvenirs, right?

A lot of stuff around the

house.

No.

We used to, we do a lot of international trips, so we pick up a little thing here or there.

We just picked up something new on an international trip, actually.

We did.

We were in... Is a total surprise.

Yeah, total surprise.

We got a bill in the mail last week.

We drove where we shouldn't have in Italy.

Oh, what happens?

What do you mean?

We had rented a car and we went to a town called Luca and...

We didn't know that you weren't supposed to drive cars in the central square, which a lot of towns over there do that.

Without a permit.

They had a little parking area with about 10 cars, and we were looking for a place to park.

So

we got a ticket in the mail.

We've been telling everyone to be careful.

It was $58 euro.

We

thought it was a scam at first because on our WhatsApp, we don't use WhatsApp, but when you're in Europe, you do.

So we got this notification, this charge on your credit card.

I'm like, whatever.

A scam.

The next morning, she said, hey, our credit card was charged.

I'm like, what?

So I started looking into it.

And it's all in Italian, you know.

And so I had to copy it, put it in translator, and then it said the location.

And I said, were we ever at this place?

So we're all looking at Google Maps.

Skeptics that we are.

Our son pulls it up on Street View, and we're like.

Oh yeah, we were there and there's the big X. Huge sign.

Huge sign with X's and we thought, well maybe it means don't park.

We don't speak any Italian, not a word.

But you said there were parked cars there.

Yeah, you can buy

a

permit.

Live

and learn,

right?

Yeah, I guess

so.

You never go back there.

So we got time for one or two more.

favorites of yours.

As

far

as historic stuff, what have you gone back to see because you didn't get enough the first time?

Anything that you want to see again?

Oh, there's

so much.

Oh, yeah.

The state is so full.

I mean, we

have a

list of over 500 things for a second edition of

Secret

Wisconsin.

We have 1,400 in this first one.

Yeah.

And it's always, I mean, I keep lists all the time.

And we find something, I'll add it.

Yeah.

So it's...

You know, right here, right in your backyard, the Capitol.

Okay.

I think it's fun to go there and look for the fossils.

The fossils.

A

lot of people don't know about that, but there's fossils in the marble, in the granite,

in the can.

Oh, I have heard,

yeah.

Yeah, and if you go in on the main floor, you can talk to the desk, and they'll give you a list of where they're at and

what they look

like, and then go around the Capitol and find them.

Great thing for kids, free.

They actually have a map?

Yeah.

Wow, okay, that's something for the kids

to do.

And they're kinda, I mean, we enjoyed looking for them.

It was something different.

And she mentioned free.

Our secret Wisconsin you can experience everything in the book for sixty four dollars and eighty cents.

We like free stuff

Yeah, everything in the book for that you can experience everything in the book sixty

four dollars and eighty cents Okay,

name of that book a secret Wisconsin, right a guide to weird wonderful and obscure and then yeah,

this this

good go ahead

on the cover

Yeah,

this little boy with the boot.

Yeah

is in Steven's point and there's kind of a neat story about that.

It's been there since 1800s

and it's in front of a fire department, the main fire department, and people drive by all the time and never ever see it.

Because they put it away in the summer, or they put it away in the winter when the students are there.

Yeah, okay.

Because

they'll

steal it.

They'll steal

it.

It gets vandalized.

Yeah.

Interesting.

This

is just unbelievable.

It really is.

Tom and Kristi Manus, thank you for joining us.

You're planning my next vacation in Wisconsin.

Sounds good.

Give me a call.

Very good.

Great to have you in.

Again, your book is available everywhere.

Books are sold, right?

It is.

Amazon.

Little luxuries.

Thanks

for having us.

Yeah, it's great.

Again, safe travels to you and thank you.

We'll talk to you again sometime.

Yeah.

Definitely happy back.

Yeah, love to have you back.

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OK, weather today, showers and storms this morning, sunshine this afternoon, highs near 90.

It's going to feel very hot and humid.

There's a heat advisory.

Mike McCabe is coming up in just a few moments from Substack.

And we'll talk about some interesting things with Mike.

And that is what you're afraid of.

Yes.

What are

you afraid of?

Yeah, what are you afraid of?

But right now, let's get to, you know, Trump is going out after his opponents.

Past and future.

Oh, do we have what?

We have Bernie.

We have

Bernie.

Oh, we do have

Bernie.

We'll get to that.

Oh, man.

Oh, my.

We'll get to that.

Sorry about that.

Well, you know, she's out there at the air show.

Yes.

And gosh,

gosh,

I didn't think she survived the wing blocking that she was attempting yesterday.

So our prepping

meteorologist, Brittany Merlot.

Yes.

Well, it looks looks pretty good there.

And gosh, gosh, this morning, from

what you can see from the camera

there.

No,

Facebook.

Yeah.

Yeah.

got that shelf cloud rolling in that's the views this morning we got that text saying hey heads up showers and storms for the next three hours so people were up trying to pull in their tents you know get the awnings down and stuff like that and the older you know there's a yodeler here no there's a yodeler

at 7 a.m.

every morning to wake all the campers up and EAA volunteers.

It is hysterical.

That is hysterical.

But he was yodeling.

Yeah.

Everybody was crawling out of their tents trying to get ready for the rain, but you guys got hit pretty hard.

Yes.

Blood advisory.

Well.

It came straight to this.

What?

Yeah.

I didn't know

it was outrageous to someone.

We had a real downpour.

Heavy downpours and

a lot

of thunder

and lightning.

Kim, now can you do me a big favor?

Could you record the yodeler so

we can

play it back?

Yes.

Yeah,

I'd love to.

Oh, I'd love to hear that.

Yes, I'll have him tomorrow morning.

All right.

OK,

great.

Yeah, we want to hear what he has to, what he's got.

His chops.

He's good.

OK, chops.

Well, you have to build up to yodel.

You know, it's something you can't just roll out of bed and yodel.

That's true.

OK.

Weather today.

OK, so once we get through the showers and storms, it's going to really heat up today and for the next few days, right?

Yes, so the rain is pretty much done for you and it's gonna be gone for the rest of the day So that's heat screening creep in 92 degrees for highs.

It's gonna feel like 103 or so nasty humidity a little bit of a south breeze Maybe about 15 miles per hour might help things.

Yeah, but stay in the AC the shade drink a lot of water

Um, we are looking at some storms though tomorrow, maybe tomorrow morning around 4am, another round possible around noon or so, and then it really cranks up from about three to six.

Some of those could be on the stronger side, maybe some high winds possible, but nothing too, too crazy.

Like up north later today, they're going to have the chances for tornadoes.

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then, um, Ryan Lander Eau Claire.

Oh

boy.

Okay.

And what about the weekend?

What's the extended forecast looking like for Saturday and Sunday?

We have the big Atwood Fest happening here in Madison.

Oh, nice.

OK, so you're still going to be into those warm temperatures, unfortunately.

Highs on Saturday about 85 degrees.

Sunday, we're going to go back into the 90s.

OK.

And Saturday morning, it looks like the best chance for showers and storms.

Sunday looks beautiful.

Lots of sunshine, but

hot.

OK.

All right.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, enjoy the EAA there.

Thank you.

All right.

Keep us posted on the

yodeler.

I can't wait for the yodeler.

All

right.

Is

that on the microphone?

He just beams that throughout the entire camp?

Oh, yeah.

The whole EAA grounds, the whole camp, the whole nine-year-olds.

All

right.

Never heard about that.

All right.

Very good.

Look forward

to it.

Thank you, Brittany.

You have a good day.

You're welcome, guys.

Talk to you

tomorrow morning.

That's our meteorologist, Brittany Merleau.

Okay.

It is.

It is.

Gosh.

Lots of things.

I can't wait to hear the yodeler.

That's always been a big fan of yodeling.

For me.

Yeah, me too.

I've got a bunch of vinyl of it.

I've collected over the years.

It's different.

You don't have an

outlet for that.

Yeah.

My turntable broke about 10 years ago, but I still got the vinyl.

Okay.

Oh, where are we?

Well, we've had to reshuffle the deck here a couple of times.

Let's get to something really short here.

Okay.

All

right.

It's wealthy.

It's wealthy Tucker Carlson talking about kids not being able to buy houses.

Look, I'm just trying to find a shortcut here because we don't have that much time and all the news, you know, I mean,

Trump going after his opponents and everything.

We didn't have time for that.

But I tell you what, finding out about Wisconsin and all the secrets here and the great places to go, I am just chomping at the bit now to go on vacation.

I'm sorry.

I know.

I want to go.

Yes.

Right.

We need to do that.

Yeah.

I

know.

There's so many things to check out.

All right.

Let's just, should we play this?

Okay.

Tucker Carlson.

One 13.

Let's play it.

And it's especially bad the young people can't afford homes.

Let me just put a very precise point on this.

Well, I've got a bunch of kids.

Can they afford houses with full-time jobs at like 27, 28?

And the answer is no way.

And the answer is that 35-year-olds with really good jobs can't afford a house unless they stretch and go deep into debt.

It's really hard to have a family without a house.

It is.

It's like super fun to live in an apartment if, you know, there's like a bar downstairs, you're in a cool neighborhood.

I'm in East Village.

It's so cool.

Try to have three kids.

You're not going to have three kids there.

You can't.

Nobody wants to raise their kids in that neighborhood.

Nobody wants to raise their kids in an apartment.

People do it because they have to.

Nobody wants to.

People want a little house, not some McMansion, just a little normal house.

That is the actual American dream.

Yeah.

Well, you know what?

It seems like the Megas and the Republicans have been trying to kill that American dream for years and years and years.

And now you're complaining that your kids can't buy a house because it's something you created that you promoted capitalism.

Yeah.

Sorry.

It's not working for

you, huh?

Okay.

That's Tucker Carlson.

Yeah, well, that's my point of view.

Okay.

It was a quick one.

I get

you.

I got it.

No, it's good.

29 past the hour when we return Mike McCabe.

We'll join us here on John and Gordy in the morning.

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It's gonna stay pretty humid and hot for the next few

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We've got

Mike McCabe in the studio from Substack and Mike Gordy just said the word.

A scared.

Now, when we were kids... Is that a word?

We all said that, didn't we?

We all said that.

Where did that come from?

A scared.

A scared.

See, that means it's a word, because kids everywhere were saying it.

They were saying

it.

Yeah.

That's why we say it now.

It just...

Doesn't make any sense, but it works.

And you're really not afraid of the weather, John.

You were just setting up our

segment.

Exactly.

Are

you afraid?

I

saw right through that.

What are you afraid of?

That's sort of the theme of your latest Substack

blog.

That's right.

And I was fascinated by the fact that you were asked, are you afraid of what's going to happen now after you left the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign?

Oh, gosh, I've gotten that question so many times.

But

yes, when I left the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, I just thought it was time to pass the baton and bring in some new blood.

I don't think it's healthy for an organization to be led by the same person forever.

You know, that kind of churn and turnover is really healthy.

And so I

you know I made the decision to

to step aside and I had a whole bunch of people.

First of all, worried whether the organization would even survive and it has and it's thrived.

You helped to start it, right?

Yeah, I was involved at the very beginning and then ended up becoming executive director and served in that role for 15

years.

You were getting big CEO pay.

But I could have easily done that work for another 15 years and loved it.

I enjoyed the work.

and was passionate about the cause.

But I really felt that it was time.

It just felt like the organization could become stale if it just kept going along the same direction.

So I decided to step aside and I had all kinds of people say, aren't you afraid you're gonna lose your purpose in life or you're gonna be bored or all these kinds of things.

And you know, now more than ever, today more than then,

It just seems like there are more Americans who are more afraid of more things Then at any time in my lifetime any time that I can recall and I think that has a whole lot to do with what's gone so haywire with our politics There's just so people are being fed fear all the time

And that fear is stoked and it becomes anger and it becomes rage and it becomes a really warped kind of politics.

And the reason I wrote this article this week for Substack was that a clip of Edward R. Murrow on the air talking about Joe McCarthy and the fear of that era.

And he spoke so powerfully on television, looking directly into the camera, speaking to Americans about the fearmongers who had seized our government.

And it just seems so appropriate to the current moment.

And so that's what got me thinking about this in the first place.

And then

as I was writing,

I couldn't help but think of that movie, Bridgespies, and I understand you've got

a clip from it.

I brought the clip that you mentioned in your article, so let's play it.

Listen to this.

How did we do in there?

Not too good.

Apparently you're not an American citizen.

That's true.

And according to your boss, you're not a Soviet citizen either.

Well, the boss isn't always right.

Thought is always the boss.

I love that.

Do you never worry?

Would it help?

That's it, right there.

That, of course, was Tom Hanks playing the lawyer of Rudolph Abel, who was the accused Soviet spy in that movie, Bridge of Spies.

And Hanks character asks Rudolph Abel,

numerous times over the course of the movie.

Aren't you worried?

And

every time you would say, would it help?

And that's kind of what I was thinking, you know, we're so angst-ridden and so afraid of so many things, scared.

And I'm thinking, does it help?

Is it getting us anywhere good?

It could be therapeutic in some ways, but it doesn't matter because we're all deep into this hot water.

We're frogs in this water waiting for it to boil.

So yeah, the thing is with this fear that we all feel now, it's on both sides, by the way.

We fear what...

you know, Trump is gonna do and what the magas are going to do and what they've already done to the country.

They fear us.

And in our ideology, they fear socialism.

They fear this.

Or at least

they say it's socialism

that they fear.

Yeah, so it's all these odd things.

We've all come together with this particular, our own fears.

And we're playing that up.

There's no, we're not comfortable.

in our own skin, in our own country anymore.

Which is very frightening.

And I think that is at the very bottom of why our politics has grown so dysfunctional.

It really boils down to, we're afraid of each other.

We're afraid of talking with each other.

We're afraid to speak up.

Think about all the family gatherings.

And people are afraid to talk about what's going on in the country.

They're afraid to talk about politics because they're afraid of where that might lead and the relationships that might be...

Yeah.

Damaged irreparably.

And so, you know, even at that basic level, there's all kinds of fear at a Thanksgiving dinner, which is really tragic.

It's

crazy.

That's what happened in our Christmas get-together.

My brothers, you know, said, well, wait and see, wait and see.

And I thought maybe they both voted for Trump.

I know one did.

But the other one only said this just to placate everyone at the table.

So...

He knew his brother was getting very upset and this brother across the TV didn't care about But he he just said wait and see wait and see just calm everybody down except for me I was panicking But yeah, I think you know for us to be afraid of our own family in and the great relationships We have between family members and have something like this to crop up and divide the entire family.

Yeah, it's it's it's

Boy, this is really unhealthy.

Yep.

And I was just up in my old stomping grounds over the weekend.

On Saturday, I went to the heart of Trump country,

which is

where I grew up.

And I was doing a book event at the public library in Owen.

And a whole bunch of my former high school classmates came.

Oh,

cool.

And

they weren't objecting

to

your

position?

And you know, we had a wonderful time together and we talked for hours.

Even after the event, we talked for hours.

But you could tell people were also walking on eggshells about the condition of our country and about politics and all of that.

And I actually yesterday had a follow-up phone call with one of my former classmates who was really quiet.

at the event and the conversation afterwards.

And I didn't really get a chance to catch up with him properly.

So I called him, and we talked for two hours yesterday.

Oh,

wow.

And he said, yeah, I can feel free to speak freely with you, but I couldn't speak freely with them.

And he proceeded to share some of his thoughts about politics and about the way of the world right now.

Was

it a similar view that you have?

But

he didn't feel comfortable

to

share any of those thoughts in the presence of our other

Former classmates

so this is this is this is the opposite of what's the you know Republicans have complained about for so many years on campuses that they they're afraid to speak up Now it's the other way around or actually it actually both sides now It