Epstein Gate (Hour 2)

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Epstein Gate (Hour 2)

John & Gordy · Thu Jul 17, 2025

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Okay cue up cut 81 but first we're gonna go to the telephone line Listen to what dick has to say this morning.

Good morning dick.

Go ahead.

Um, I think I know where the upstream files are

Wait, really?

Wow.

This is late breaking news.

Yeah,

they're in the bathroom at Mar-a-Lago

Still,

really.

I finally figured out what I hate about this whole thing the most about all of it and him being in charge again.

I hate reality shows, by the way.

I always have.

I think they're a waste of time and the furthest.

Yeah, me too.

I agree.

But that said, here's where I'm going with the whole thing.

He's turned the running of this country into a reality

show.

That's it.

And we're a joke to the rest of the world.

I

think you're right.

And here's the thing.

They got rid of all of the departments in the government, right?

They're dissolving them.

They're kicking everybody out.

So he has complete control.

I mentioned this a few times.

He's micromanaging the entire nation, which is just stunning.

What do you think about it, right?

You can't possibly know what's going on, each and everything that's going on.

That's why he had departments in the government to handle all of this stuff.

Now he's doing it all by his lonesome.

And well, obviously he's getting a tremendous amount of help from Russell Vote and Stephen Miller.

So those are the

things.

I still maintain he's going to walk from all this because who's been in charge of the FBI?

Well they could

They could.

All right.

Dick, thanks a lot.

Thank you, Dick.

Um,

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Earlier, we had a story, you know, where, uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene was whining about terrorism and terrorists crossing the border.

Yes.

And, uh, and she has t-shirts, uh, and ads and baseball caps that she's selling.

Yeah.

Uh, it's, and, and on it is defund the FBI, which deals with terrorism.

So and you know, but anyway mark send us a text saying she does as Stephanie Miller points out look a lot like Barney Rubble Wow all right kind of a female Popeye all right now let's go to Let's go to the Epstein files here.

Oh

the Epstein

files Let's listen to a few cuts here, and then John Stewart's opinion on that.

Yeah, let's play

You said this was all a hoax.

Has your attorney general told you this was a hoax?

What evidence have you seen in that?

No,

it's not the attorney general.

I know it's a hoax.

It started by Democrats.

It's been run by the Democrats for four years.

You had

Christopher Ray and these characters and Comey before him.

It's a bad group.

It started actually look at the steel dossier that turned out to be a total hoax.

The

51 agents, the intelligence, so-called intelligence agents, it was a hoax.

It's all been a big hoax.

It's perpetrated by the Democrats.

And some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into

the

net.

And so they try and do the Democrats work.

The Democrats are good for nothing other than these hoaxes.

They're bad for policy.

They're bad for picking candidates.

They can get elected like in New York.

We have a communist running He may get elected too actually, but he's gonna kill destroy the city No, no, it's I call it the Epstein hoax takes a lot of time and effort instead of talking about the great achievements we've had

Okay Yeah, that's it That's it

paid out like that.

Oh, oh you played cut 83.

Okay

I was thinking that was cut 81 that we're going to listen to John Stewart's approach to that.

Let's listen to that as well.

Okay.

This guy's been talked about for years.

Are people still talking about this guy, this creep?

That is unbelievable.

Unbelievable?

You guys ran on

it.

There you go.

Remember this?

We need to release the Epstein list.

That

is an important thing.

This Epstein sex ring

operation, I'm not letting it go ever, ever.

Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are.

And that was before the Trump administration took power.

And by the way, they were still hyping the Epstein files after they took power.

Yeah.

We

have flight logs.

We have information, names.

That will come out.

President Trump

has

given a very strong directive and that's going to be followed.

So people can expect actual

movement on this.

All right.

Just empty promises.

Oh, Donald Trump doesn't make empty promises.

Yeah, all right.

Whoops.

Hmm.

Two of his wives and 10,000 unpaid contractors

disagree.

All right.

So, you know, now my mega friend, Milwaukee, has not mentioned this in any of the texts that he has given me in the last few days.

I wonder why.

You know, he's waiting to be told what to say.

how to think about all of this.

And he didn't have to wait long.

Podcaster Charlie Kirk.

Oh, Charlie has a whole theory on this.

This is so outrageous and so ridiculous.

I want you to hold on to your seats, strap yourself in.

Okay.

And get ready to pause when I ask you to pause the cut because I might have to interject something.

But

let's listen.

All

right.

He said something similar on his truth social this morning and he calls it the Epstein hoax.

Now, before we go any further, I do want to say big breaking news this morning.

Yeah, John Solomon is reporting that in his sit down interview with Donald Trump, President Trump has greenlit a special prosecutor to potentially be able to go after the criminal conspiracy around Epstein and all deep state activity.

So that is a phenomenal victory.

OK, let's pull that right up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now they're going to investigate this like the Mueller report.

They're going to go after something that he just made up.

just recently, like in the last few days, that it's a hoax.

Something they promoted, they promised to give us, but it's now a hoax created by other people that he even participated in for two years.

And now we need a special prosecutor.

Now there's a press, I can't even, I can't wrap my head around this.

Okay, you know,

okay,

let's just.

And

now today, as of today, first, the first sighting of

the media calling this Epstein Gate.

Oh yes,

you're right.

Epstein Gate.

We've

decided

now it's Epstein Gate.

Okay, I just wanted to throw that

out.

All right, let's play.

Okay.

That is something that we should rejoice in.

Think basically Robert Mueller for deep state activity, but one of our guys doing it.

We do not care about the story as a way to hurt Donald Trump.

In fact, it's the opposite.

We actually care about this story because this is a rare opportunity of a sloppy operation by the deep state.

The base cares about this because we are defending you.

And it's not so much about that we care about the person of Jeffrey Epstein.

Got it.

Okay.

Get to it.

We are actually interested in, who was he an agent of?

Okay,

stop it there.

Okay.

Who was he?

Ah, the deep state now comes into the picture.

Now, gotta remember now, Trump participated in this to the max.

Everybody that works under him

in this

current administration participated

in this to the max

as well.

And now we're trying to find out who is at the center of this conspiracy, this hoax.

All right, let's continue.

We're the same people that were behind Butler, Pennsylvania.

The same people that were behind the Russia hoax.

What?

Were they also the ones that were pulling the strings of Jeffrey Epstein?

The same people that were around COVID.

Mr. President, the same people that were behind the stolen election of 2020.

We think these are the same actors.

President Donald Trump.

is venting off some anger right now because he thinks that this is being used to derail his presidency.

He thinks that this is being used to derail all of his success.

We want to try and make sure the bad people that have done such terrible things to you can finally be held accountable.

Unbelievable.

Yes.

So

there

you go.

We got to find out the person who's pulling the strings, because that person should be prosecuted.

Man, I'm telling you, this is a bigger story than anybody could have imagined.

It's blowing up now.

And they could have been part of the assassination of Butler.

Oh my God.

I would not have tied all that stuff together.

Thank God we have people like Charlie Kirk out there.

He's brilliant, by the way.

This is the same guy that debates

what?

College students

day in, day out.

Yeah, college students.

Yeah.

Acting like he has actually gone to college.

So this person is unbelievable.

So that is what the new story is.

And I know that my mega friend in Milwaukee is going to

Now know exactly what to say that somebody else is pulling the strings.

Somebody else has decided to make this happen.

That there wasn't really an Epstein thing at all.

Well, that they participated in for the last four years.

It's kind of an odd way to get this

off of the headlines.

It is.

I thought they wanted to make this story go away.

Now we're going to get a special prosecutor and amp it up even more.

There you go,

Gary.

I

don't get it.

That's it.

What's the strategy here?

Let's keep it in the news.

I think they're trying to do is we're not gonna get rid of this anytime soon Yeah, we have another cut too, but we might get to that after these this next break because I think it's it's a Daily show

clip.

Uh-huh

Oh,

yes, that's right.

We'll get to that.

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Continue right around.

Let's continue our topic here at the Epstein File.

The Epstein Hoax or Epstein Gate.

Epstein Gate, that's the latest one.

So let's get to it.

Jordan Klepper talked about this on The Daily Show.

Let's see what he had to say.

And the Trump administration can't get its stories straight.

There was a client list, then there was no client list.

They were going to release all the files, and then they decided not to release any files.

So let's see what today's excuse is.

I would say that these files were made up by Comey.

They were made up by Obama.

They were made up by the Biden.

So let me get this straight.

According to Trump, all the top Democrats got together and said, let's create some fake files that destroy Trump's political career.

They don't ever use them.

They let Trump get elected.

Don't use them.

Let Trump get elected again.

Still don't use them.

And then once he's the president, hope he releases the files without ever looking at them.

Frankly.

That plan sounds so inconceivably bad, I do believe the Democrats might have come up with.

And after initially pushing back, some of them are getting the

message.

I think the DOJ should immediately move to unseal all the Epstein documents in the Southern District of New York.

I think every file should be released to the public the same way as the JFK files.

Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.

I'm gonna trust my friends in the administration.

I'm gonna trust my friends in the government.

to do what needs to be done, solve it, balls in their hands.

The balls in their hands, he says.

The balls in their hands.

There are a

Brittney Merlot

lot of unanswered questions.

But the biggest question is just what on earth is

going on?

I

don't know what's happening.

It doesn't make sense.

I can't reconcile this, Donald Trump.

with the Trump that we're seeing right now.

The Trump that is gaslighting the public right now.

And Donald Trump and Epstein didn't just party together.

They were neighbors.

Epstein said he was Trump's closest friend for 10 years.

And these guys didn't just party together.

Epstein was a part of some major milestones in Trump's life.

Jeffrey Epstein introduced Melania to Donald Trump.

Trump was a frequent passenger on Epstein's plane, known as the Lolita Express.

Get this.

And Epstein told author Michael Wolf the first time he slept with Melania was on my plane.

And that is how I met your mother, Baron.

I'll tell you, next time you're on a flight with a crying baby, just think about how much worse it could be.

Boy

yeah, that's wild stuff.

Oh my god is yeah Okay, but you know it's gonna be fodder for a lot of people and comedians Yeah here I didn't yeah, it's gonna go on it's hard to even imagine something like this that he would actually create this Conspiracy this hoax and expect people to believe it

Well, of

course,

Charlie Kirk is jumping on board somehow and thinking we're going to find the culprit who devised this insidious

plan.

The deep state.

Wow.

Well, yeah.

Trump's really backed himself into this corner.

He can't, no matter what

he does.

He can't do anything now.

This

is it.

And I think this might be it.

This could be it.

This will be the thing that does him in, right?

Oh, we hope.

We'll wait and see.

We'll keep you posted.

Yes.

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Yes.

That's a good idea, Doug.

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Oh, he.

It just happens to be here.

It

would be our guest on that program as well.

Uh, I'll tell you what, let's go to Jim Santel.

You could always hear his podcast on Saturdays, 90, 11 o'clock, two hours of summation of what took place the week before.

And there are so many illegal things that take place the week before.

They're just ridiculous.

And because the law review, check it out on Saturdays.

I don't

know how

you can keep

track of

everything.

Yeah.

How do you do that, Jim?

And the reality is that I don't.

And the other thing that you know well, because guess you.

from the same problem, which is the things in the cutting room floor, right?

Everything as of Tuesday, you think this has got to be the lead,

and

then it turns out something even more incredulous happens on Wednesday, and you've forgotten by Friday what Monday was all about.

And now just following up on your last conversation, which was excellent, underscoring the frivolity and the craziness of this Epstein thing.

Now we've got

apparently unfounded conspiracies about unfounded conspiracies, right?

And so I defy anyone, including Dom, who's much younger and brighter than I will ever be, to outline, to diagram what this thing is all about.

And again, it changes.

That's another problem.

As you just said, the diagram changes virtually hourly.

And again, trying to, at any time, diagram the president's own sentences defies a complete linguistic check.

We're beyond

all

of

that sums it

up Yeah, right, you know, I don't think you could diagram this at

all.

You know, there's there's no

relation to anything that happened prior to this

And since I'm since I'm on this role apparently this morning Yeah, I will tell you as well that all of this including the more serious stories and not that I mean the Epstein thing of course as a tragedy, right?

Let's acknowledge that at the top of the list

are

victims out there who are still victims of

his horrific crimes, Giselle's crimes as well.

That's the number one.

You've got the entire, frankly, it's a tragedy for the defendants, a tragedy for the system.

And now it's a tragedy for us as a government when we're spending time again because of what the president has done and people like Charlie Clerk and these other folks.

What should we be talking about every single day?

How about education?

How

about the environment?

How about commerce, right?

How about international matters?

And yet he has

effectively taken up the space here by, again, promoting something in the capacity of the vice president of junior high school student council.

That's what this really is.

There's the people in charge of our government right now.

That's how bad, at all levels, it has become.

It's incredibly juvenile.

Well, let's get to the firings here.

I mean, you know, Comey's daughter was fired who had defended Epstein.

in, in those, in that case.

So let's, let's find out more about the, these firings.

I didn't know it was a kind of a broad grouping of fire.

It's been going on for a while.

First, I'm pretty sure we recall this fellow named Emil Beauvais, who might be an appeals court judge fairly soon, right?

Another one of our favorite characters also in those junior high school student council.

But he was the one who early on, you may recall, fired virtually all of the directly and indirectly, all the attorneys

who

had prosecuted the January 6th.

rioters.

Those folks are gone from the U.S.

Attorney's Office.

We've had others.

We've had firings in many, many units.

The big one just this past week inside the Department of Justice is something called the federal programs branch.

And I know that I hope that no one on this broadcast, none of your listeners has ever heard of the federal programs branch, because you don't have to.

You shouldn't have to know this.

But these are the people who've been out there when they talk about attorneys in the Department of Justice who are defending the Presidents, for example,

is its policies on deportation and on birthright citizenship.

And you fill in the blank on all these things, the fighterings, these are the folks who will go in and defend the president's policies.

And they've done that again for previous administrations.

They're sophisticated attorneys, they're apolitical, even though they're defending now in defensible positions, which is the story.

110 attorneys in this branch inside the Civil Division, 69 of them.

Wow 69 of 110 have left since November because number one they cannot defend these defenseless positions anymore and number two They're completely overworked.

It is just a calamitous workload because of all of these lawsuits that they're required to defend

on a regular basis.

And they're basically saying, ethically, we can't do this anymore.

And I'm going to drop dead if I continue to work at this level because of the nature of what's going on.

It is a very serious matter inside the Department of Justice.

And again, listeners should not have to know about the federal programs branch.

It's basically been decimated as has the Civil Rights Division and others.

And again, the attorney, again, Maureen Comey.

Yeah, your FC right had a month.

She is one of a singular person also finds herself fired.

Why?

Because Donald Trump doesn't like the fact that her father is James Comey.

He doesn't want any comies in his Justice Department.

This is the very competent person who prosecuted Diddy Sean Combs and also prosecuted Epstein.

Again, not not to completion there because he committed suicide, right?

But this is again a good person.

It's like the former U.S.

I'm going go on, right?

When she resigned because Emile Beauvais told her to get rid of that lawsuit involving the mayor of New York, she said no, there's a basis for doing it.

I'm ethically prohibited from doing what you're directing me to do.

Mr. Beauvais and she resigned.

And so we're losing all of this experience and all of these fundamentally good people who know what they're doing.

That's the Department of Justice these days, six months into this term.

Where will we be in three and a half more

years?

Well, then Emma Beauvais is about to be okayed, rubber stamped by the Senate, right?

I mean, he told attorneys to say FU to the judges.

So he's going to be a federal judge now.

He's going to be a federal judge.

He's going to the third circuit, which is, again, the mid-Atlantic state, sort of.

And again, in that amazing discussion with the senators, the Sanctuary Committee, they asked him about this.

Did you instruct attorneys, as many people have said, including this whistleblower, basically tell judges you either don't know, dissemble, lie to them, and, again, using the F word,

asked about that specifically, and you may recall, well, what did he say?

What did he say?

He said, I can't remember if I had that conversation

a few weeks

ago, directives to the attorneys of the Department of Justice.

that that is is tantamount to saying yes I said that and I simply am avoiding a perjury prosecution now by indicating I can't recall I'm going to be on the third circuit Court of Appeals second highest court just below the Supreme Court you know I just I found it America I just

I was just stunned when he was asked that question did you say that he said did I say what

You can't recall.

That was just amazing

to

say

something like

that.

Adam Schiff looks at him again.

A former assistant United States attorney, Adam Schiff in California.

Are you telling me, Mr. Beauvais, that you do not recall having this converse this meeting weeks ago with members of the litigation group there?

And he says, what?

I can't recall.

It is incredulous.

And yet, that's the level.

There are other reasons for what it's worth.

I know I'm just roaning on here this morning.

Just yesterday, about 900 former Department of Justice

Um, attorneys and personnel sent a letter to the Senate, judiciary committee saying do not confirm this man.

He is not qualified and they're absolutely right to do so.

And, and they're going to, uh, put them in,

that's it.

They're going to put them in.

Yeah.

They've got the votes to place him on that and he will be there.

I think he is in his 40s or so.

Uh, this is a lifetime tenure position, which means that, um, again, I'm, I'm picking on Dom a lot this morning.

Dom's grandchildren will probably be still.

hearing about Emil Wobe, United States Court of Appeals judge in the decades to come.

Look, we're

giving the president so much power here.

The Supreme Court

is just

dumping power on him and completely getting rid of Congress.

It doesn't even matter.

The legislative branch doesn't even exist anymore at this point.

So you

think maybe the president, future president can just get rid of Bovi?

You know, the answer would be once he is

Once he is there in the appeals court position, he is there for life.

And really, they

can't just step

in and

say, you're gone.

You cannot.

Yeah, you can do this.

You can do this thing.

You can impeach a judge.

You can impeach a federal judge that requires the return of articles of impeachment and trial in the Senate.

We've had a few of them.

Pretty rare

nation's history, but it's very rare and very difficult.

And would never happen under these political circumstances.

One does wonder, Candidly, and I'm not suggesting anything untoward should happen with Emil Beauvais.

I hope that in his own way, he has a good and long life.

But the reality is, one does wonder, someone who is this volatile

at this

point in his career, we've seen these people in politics,

we've seen them

in the legal profession, so arrogant, so over the top defiant.

One wonders where you will be in 10 and 15 and 20 years from now, even on the bench.

Is your own activity going to be the source of your own destruction in some way

talking to Jim Santel former US Attorney at law and Jim now what about this the ruling from the Supreme Court that Trump can just fire anybody now

from my

you know

the federal government tell us how this is even possible This is all in Congress's purview.

This is their job

This is the separation of powers.

How can they keep making these kinds of decisions?

I'm stumped.

Give me some legal reason.

Can

you

please do something that they

don't give on the shadow docket?

Right.

There is none.

And that's the reason why you've got people like Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan and Angie Brown Jackson.

You're in good company, I would say, John and Gordy with them because they're saying the same thing.

They're looking at this and they're writing these 20-page descents saying, what is going on here?

And they're addressing both the substance.

They're looking at this and saying,

This is exactly what you just identified, which is these are congressional decisions.

They created the Department of Education.

Only the legislature can turn around and shut it down.

And with respect to all of these firings, and yes indeed, that's what they did early this week.

They issued again a non-order, basically overturning a lower court decisions thing.

The president cannot do this.

Well reasoned decisions.

They're out there on the record.

In one line, two lines, you've got the majority, not the other three, but the majority of the Supreme Court saying, president can go ahead and do this.

And again, this affirms one of his early executive orders, directing all kinds of people to be fired.

Jim Santel, stay with us.

We'll be back with more of John and Gordy right after

this.

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All right, Jim Santel, we want to ask you the question about a big case that happened in California and a judge brought up an interesting point.

A lot not a lot of them have brought up and and that is that a lot of these ice raids are taking place But there isn't reasonable reasonable suspicion.

You know, I mean, they're just sweeping people up

And a judge says, you can't do that.

You have to have a reasonable suspicion that they're doing something illegal, that something is wrong.

What is it that you're finding that you can do this?

What excuse do you have?

And they haven't come up with anything.

Not one thing.

I thought that was interesting from the judge.

Now, one reason.

Right.

And this is, again, federal district court judge in California.

who looks at, and this is not just based upon representations made by the attorneys, which, as you know, are often suspect

right on all sides

of litigation.

She's looking at tapes.

She's looking at videos.

She's looking at photographs and having, of course, evidentiary presentations as a part of her inquiry into whether or not there should be a preliminary injunction as first level.

Should I stop this from happening before it goes on further?"

And she says, yes, I need to do that because all the evidence, as you just said, John, indicates what you're doing, what these federal agents are doing.

The United States Department of Homeland Security and other agents are doing is looking at people and saying, I don't like the way you look.

And for that reason, I am going to detain you.

I'm going to arrest you.

That is in violation of the Constitution.

And again, here's the civics point, which you just made, which is law school stuff in order for the police in America and any decent republic to stop you and to detain you.

And frankly, even if you've got probable cause next up, they can arrest you.

You've got to have some reasonable suspicion that Jim Santel is doing something.

that might be illegal.

And I can't make that detention, can't do something further.

If you just don't like the color of my skin, you don't like the music that I happen to be playing from my car, you don't like the way I'm walking down the street, that is not reasonable suspicion.

That's what the judge says.

Let's get back to core information, core standards here.

and reimpose what has been the law of America for decades.

And it's it's stunning once again that we have to have a judge

And it does

get national news because

it has to be reminded.

We have to be reminded as a nation what our rule of law principles are.

That's, once again, where we are in 2025.

It's

one of those

moments where you slap your forehead and you go, wow, I forgot.

Because it's amazing how this administration has just done whatever they wanted to do, regardless of laws, any legal reason at all.

Don't we teach civics

in

high school anymore, or junior high, or middle school, or mandatory, you know, to graduate,

right?

You seem like no one's aware of

it.

And you've got to wonder too, okay, what are the instructions being given?

Before anybody goes out onto the street for any what's a arrest, a seizure, or anything, what is it, me to ask along, what are the instructions being given by the federal agents, the supervisors?

What are they being told to do?

And that really gets to the core of this, right?

What is the focus, the mission of the end, to your point, the every implication, every suggestion, as the judge said, is that their instruction is do what you want, do what you need to do, and you do not need to be concerned about that.

And by the way, when we get in front of federal judges, we'll tell them, again, getting back to Emil Beauvais and others here, and we'll tell them we don't know, we don't remember, and basically we'll just lie to them.

And that is a recipe for absolute meltdown of our system.

And that's why this decision out of Southern California truly is, to use yet another expression.

It's a canary in the coal mine, right?

It's telling us there's something fundamentally terrible about how federal law enforcement, anyway, is being administered at these high levels.

In a population, I believe that Los Angeles is the highest Hispanic population per capita in the country.

And obviously the ground zero for that and also these protests and the responses by the president of that, all these things come together in Los Angeles.

It just seems like the government institutions are all in free fall right now.

Yes.

And it's not a good feeling.

It's a horrible

and we're not getting any help from the Supreme Court standing up for the Constitution They are just giving all this power back to the over to the president up back I was gonna say if a Democratic president were ever to take office again that somehow Congress would see the power that they had at one time and try to take it back and it's not gonna happen now the president

Even from the Democratic side can do a lot of stuff that the Republicans are not going to like if they ever have, you know, a majority in Congress again, but a Democratic president.

Good luck with that, guys.

Right, right.

Think about the future,

think about the precedent you're setting, and that's the concern.

Last 10 weeks alone, there are at least seven, maybe eight, maybe nine times when our Supreme Court has given the president these, these unbridled powers, again, without explanation of what they're doing.

Well, thank goodness, Kataji

Brown Jackson is in there saying something, anything, you know, and being criticized for it.

Yeah.

Yes.

All right,

so we got to leave it there.

Jim Santel, thank you for joining us.

You can always listen to Jim.

Always

a pleasure.

On the weekends, on Saturday.

And Jim will be with us when we fill in for Maggie Dawn next Wednesday

afternoon.

Yes,

Wednesday.

Thank you again, Jim.

Tomorrow, Savannah Tomey Olson from our news department will join us.

Also Pam Yonkey, rocker with a maxing preview and free ticket Fridays.

We've got more brewers tickets to give away tomorrow.

All right.

Have a great day.

Stephanie Miller is next.

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Go down.

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