When the chips are down and democracy's back is up against the wall, two radio veterans step up to the microphone to right the wrongs, standing for truth, justice, and just because.
To say what needs to be said, it's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.
edition of the John and Gordy Morning Show.
The big headline is, Trump disavows stupid supporters over Epstein Bull, you know.
Bull BS.
See,
again, he can say it, we can't say it.
It's the S word.
Right.
That I keep saying, we have to start saying.
I don't understand.
I know I'm a little ahead of the curve here, but not that.
That ahead I mean seriously winner.
When are we gonna start saying the word?
Because it means nothing.
What
is it?
I don't
know what a horrible word.
No Since we've been kids little kids in the field You're
gonna talk to
FCC about that,
you know, I'm
done with this, you know,
I mean,
let's just say the word I saw a simple interview with I
I think it was Adam Schiff or somebody last night
who was
watching it.
And he just came out with the word.
Yeah,
I know.
Yeah, politicians are, Pete Buttigieg is saying it.
Yes, yes.
You know, a smart guy like him speaks seven languages, he figured it out.
He
found the word in the one language that I want to say.
Yeah.
It's all Epstein all the time now.
It is.
It is.
24-7.
Well, you know, I think this is his downfall.
I mean,
if it's ever going to happen, it has to be this.
When Charlie,
what's
his
name comes out against?
What is it?
Charlie Kirk?
Charlie Kirk.
Charlie
Kirk's all over this we're gonna we've got that we got it we got Charlie Kirk coming
up
and it's so funny though the whole approach Charlie Kirk has come up with is just so extreme and stupid and my head explodes every time you even think a bit of it we had it yesterday we did not get to that story but we'll get to it today we'll get to it
yeah cloudy skies this morning we had a little bit of
Sprinkles, I think overnight some some light rain.
Yeah.
Yeah,
you
know, I
have I have My windshield wipers on my car, you know, everybody's got to check their windshield wipers and whether like this,
you know, we
always say that
Take your umbrella along check your windshield.
Anybody really ever check their windshield wipers ever?
No one does
and they
find out
when it
starts ripping apart and using them Yikes, right?
So you have the new car and the new windshield wipers and they sense rain
Really?
Really?
It
senses how much rain is coming down and how fast the windshield wipers need to go.
I'm not kidding you.
And do you agree with the way it's sensing it?
Yes!
It's just unbelievable, seriously.
You don't have to push a button or do anything.
No, no, you know
how sometimes it
comes down hard and sometimes it lightens up.
How does it sense
rain?
The windshield wipers know when that happens and they...
You got smart windshield wipers.
I can't believe it.
Yes.
Pretty soon
smarter than me behind
that wheel.
Oh, man.
I'll tell you, I took a look at it yesterday.
We went to the parking lot after the show.
I couldn't believe it, man.
It is straight out of the Jetsons.
And it looks like, I mean, it's a cool-looking car.
Yeah.
It's
very, very cool.
It's pretty hip.
Now, you can take a ride today, if you want, right after we're done here.
Really?
Yeah.
Ride right out of the ramp here.
Can
I join too, or?
No,
Tom, you can't.
John doesn't
allow anybody else
in the car in
the back
seat, except
the
kids.
Of course you can take
a break with it.
Awesome.
Awesome.
If you have a driver's license, he might even let you drive it.
Yeah, I think so.
I don't know what I can do.
That's going too far.
You can ride the back seat.
Have
you
checked your insurance?
This
is Gen
Z here.
You never know what they're going to do next.
OK.
Look, we got an early morning call already.
We do.
Yeah.
Shall we go to it?
Yeah.
We've got a lot of stuff on the list here.
Let's check in with Matt and Middleton.
Yeah, Matt's been leaving us voice notes.
Which is great.
But here he is live.
Good morning, Matt.
Morning,
guys.
I wanted to bring attention to this geo group, this private prison corporation that is being given tons of money to build these concentration camps.
And apparently Baldwin, Wisconsin is one of their targets to build one of these to move people from Chicago and this little area around us.
I see this MAGA as a civil war, technically, because it's the rise of the Confederacy against, you know, the rest of us.
Sure.
And I'm wondering what you think about, we know people in prisons are put to work, we know the Confederacy loves slavery, right?
Right, yeah.
So it seems like this is a return to a kind of slavery.
And the more people they get in these concentration camps and the longer they're stuck in there, they're going to be put to work as well.
They're probably going to be picking the crops.
What do you think about that?
Is this just a return to the Confederacy and that's kind of what we're up against?
Well, that's what a lot of people are thinking, actually.
I know the one prison where they get a dollar a day and they use
the dollar a day to make a phone call, one phone call a week because the phone call costs $5.
So you get $5 a day and you make one phone call for the entire week and you get labor besides, which is a big plus for them and that's why it's private and that's why I think these things are going in all over the country, just as Matt has mentioned.
These corporate prisons.
What's the name of the company Matt?
Geo group
and I looked at their website.
Yeah,
and
they try to make it look all nice like they're all about rehabilitation and reentry and you know programs to help people and it's all BS, you know
Yeah, it is.
Of course it is.
Yeah.
Oh boy.
Yeah.
Well, that's where we're at today.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you for bringing that to our attention.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll look into that.
Yeah.
Keep our eye open.
Build one up in Baldwin, huh?
Yeah.
Interesting, yeah.
OK.
Weather today, well, it's 61 degrees.
And you'll notice as soon as you step outside, much cooler out there today and high of just 70 and maybe a couple of spots of rain along the way.
It's going to stay pretty cloudy.
A little bit later on, we'll talk to attorney Jim Santel and get the latest from him.
Uh, no Tim Slecker today.
That's right.
He's busy, uh, probably trying to figure out, uh, what, what he's going to do about 1400 people being let go of the Department of Education.
Maybe, uh, maybe he's affected somehow by that.
I don't know.
Who knows?
I,
you know, yeah, it's,
uh, trying
to keep track of it all.
Yeah.
The quick.
disassembly of the government now because of the Supreme Court allowing Trump to do whatever he wants, which is an amazing thing.
I don't know if Congress, do they think that they can take that power back when there's a Democratic president?
I assume they think so, but the Supreme Court is making it very easy for a Democratic president to come in and do whatever the hell he wants over the wishes of Congress.
They're letting this happen.
And I'm hoping that that happens.
I hope we have the walls to actually do something when we have the damn power.
Look at what they're doing.
The Republicans and the Magus are doing here.
The Project 2025 Russell vote doing
of this dismantling just I mean in in five six months
they
have managed to do something like this this is well this is fantastic this is truly more done than any other president in history
well if the president can do anything he can call off the voting
He could just say, well, we have an emergency here.
We're just going to skip loading this time around, and everybody stay in place.
Because so many things are going on, and we have to have troops in the streets, and everything else.
It's just well, I've got I think you can do
anything.
I've got a story on that Yeah, I've got yeah, they're they're starting to meddle in the elections here I've got this the president recently called for Texas to gerrymanders voting districts right to To net republicans an additional five friendly districts
Just five what gives him the power to do this.
I
why would it be up to the president?
He decided to do it
Why haven't we done stuff like this?
Trump has launched a multi-pronged effort to gather data on voters and inspect voting equipment, sparking concerns about local and state election
officials who
think that
the federal government will eventually then interfere in the election in 2026, the midterms.
Of course he's gonna do this kind of stuff.
And then the Washington Post also reports that the Justice Department has asked at least nine states for copies of their voter rolls.
Oh, great.
A move that could grant the department access to non-public information about the voters.
And federal law gives the Justice Department the ability, but it does not expressly give the agency the authority to review voter rolls themselves.
So, yeah.
I mean, this whole thing is unwinding.
And I don't know, somewhere along the way, either we just throw up our hands.
And just see what
happens.
And I think Trump is hell bent on getting rid of Jerome Powell.
He's going to fire him, whether he's supposed to or not.
He's just going to just let him go.
Because they're revamping the building where the Fed is.
Yeah, and he didn't do it right.
He's just making stuff up now.
He spent too
much money, right?
Yeah.
They didn't spend too much money putting gold-plated statuettes.
on
the
fireplace.
Did you see the picture of the fireplace?
No.
Compared to Epstein's fireplace at Epstein's mansion?
No.
They're almost identical.
Oh, wow.
With the gold scrolling and stuff.
Yes.
Oh my god.
I saw the comparison picture.
Wow, it's just
bizarre.
Okay, but you know, that's the whole thing
here.
I
mean, you know, we're, we're looking at him complaining about the new building for the Fed.
Yeah.
And they've have, they have huge problems.
You're gonna flooding the basement, the wiring is old.
This is like, yeah, really an old building.
It has to be, you know, really, really renovated.
And they're complaining about how much money it costs to renovate it.
What?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anything anything to have an excuse to let Jerome Powell go who he hired and forgot about it.
He's the one We have that coming up.
We'll get that good.
Do we have time with for what you would you rather?
We do have
time this time.
We're gonna we're gonna switch it down.
We're gonna only two instead of three.
Only two questions.
We're gonna go two questions.
This is much better.
Okay
Okay.
Alright.
First question.
Okay.
Would you rather have a fridge that restocks itself with your favorite foods or a closet that always has a fresh, perfectly fitting outfit for the day?
Oh, the refrigerator.
I think I would do the refrigerator.
Yeah, you know, I would do the refrigerator too.
That was a quick and easy one.
Okay.
And then the second question I have is you're being dropped from a helicopter into the center of a lake.
Would you rather the lake contain a hundred great white sharks or ten thousand piranhas?
Which one would
you?
I mean either way, it's gonna be awful.
I
think Trump came up with a solution to all of this, right?
I think he wanted to take the sharks or I'll fight the sharks too with with
Trump I think I'll do sharks to a hundred great whites.
Maybe they'll they'll miss me or something ten thousand piranhas
Hard to avoid.
10,000 Peronite.
Yeah, I guess I'd go with the sharks too.
Yeah,
you know, we're
missing National Tattoo
Day here.
I don't know why we don't look at the National Calendar every once in a while.
And
not only that, but
it's
World Emoji Day.
World Emoji Day.
How could we miss World Emoji Day?
Well, I think we're really missing is National Wrong Way Corrigan Day.
Oh,
I hardly remember
that.
Well, you know, nobody wants to know about it.
We dropped the National Day calendar.
Nobody cares anymore.
Well, no, you know, you don't want to hear about Douglas Corrigan's fascination.
Never mind.
Never mind.
All right,
well, I guess no one wants to
hear that
anymore.
Didn't we have a request to bring back the National Calendar from
your neighbors?
My neighbors wanted to hear it again.
It's 19 minutes past the hour.
We're just getting going on a Thursday morning here in beautiful downtown Madison.
We'll be back with more of John and Gordy for Thursday after this.
All right
WMDX 92.7 it's John and Gordy in the morning a little smothers brothers there They were a lot of fun.
Yeah Big topics back then.
Yeah groundbreaking
Howard
Hughes We're following his fingernails, you know, they grew so long I remember that was a big issue
Boy, you know, I'd like to have those issues back again.
I'm probably never heard of Howard Hughes.
I've never known.
I've never, I've never even heard of the Smothers Brothers.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Yeah.
Wow.
And Gen Z here.
I'm not
quite
sure what to say about that.
Howard Hughes, he was a...
He was a reckless he was a reckless he had a billionaire reckless he was into airplanes and built
up
spruce goose which was
a horrible
project
that
never really got it got off the ground once yeah it was a wooden airplane but it was a massive airplane it was huge huge body on it yeah and he built that all himself well no
He had help, he designed it.
He was kind of an engineer.
He was crazy, but not that crazy.
He was back in the, I don't know, 30s and 40s, I guess, was his heyday, and he dated Hollywood stars, and yeah, it was a big deal.
And then he was very, very rich, became a recluse, lived in Las Vegas, and then...
Grew his hair long and his fingernails long and nobody ever saw the guy.
He was just recluse.
He does seem kind of crazy now.
I'm
now I'm listening to this Yeah, so what you have to do then is check out a few repeats of the Smothers Brothers and check that show out It was a groundbreaking show they were taking off the network because they were too political CBS
fired them Wow, it's during the Nixon era.
Yeah kind of reminds us of what's going on today
Right.
Nixon was just a warm-up for... Oh boy.
Donald
Trump.
Well, this is crazy.
This is crazy stuff.
What?
Nah, I'm just...
Oh, I thought you were leaning in the side.
Nah, I was
absolutely stunned.
We're looking into the, uh, the geo-group here.
They're checking out the latest news on it.
What kind of prisons they're building?
Well, we know that, you know, they're using slave labor at this point, a dollar a day.
But what is the...
Labor about what
are they making what are they doing?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't
know That's
what I want to know what they're doing.
Are they doing farm labor?
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Yes the rescission vote Double check on that, but they I saw they passed it
Well, they're
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Everything is on there.
Everything.
And they're passing it all.
Boy, it would be great.
Remember when the Democrats were working on the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare?
Right.
And they wanted to put a public option in.
And in no way.
Boy, talk about overreach.
Man, that was just way too much.
Oh, we can't have a public option.
You know, you guys want it all, don't you?
Well, your wish list, you can stuff it.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
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Here's the headline.
Senate votes to cut $9 billion from public broadcasting and foreign aid.
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All right.
Oh, that's another sweet.
What a great way to start the day.
Sorry, all you people that work at PBS, you know, they haven't cut the funding completely, just $9 billion for everybody.
Okay.
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Now listen, great pet.
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Idiocracy!
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Running around the table.
That's
right, running
around the table.
I don't know what
that
means.
You used to have those.
All the phrases?
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You have all the phrases because you used to have them.
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That VPN is quite secret at this point.
We got a text from Mark from Prairie to Sax says, I wouldn't think that Jerome Powell was personally supervising the retrofitting of the Feds
building.
Right.
Right.
You know, that's a good point.
And Trump paves over the Rose Garden.
Yeah.
The second one.
God.
Spending all this money.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's no big deal with Jerome Powell, who, you know, really isn't.
in the redecorating or refurbishing business.
Why would it be to him?
Yeah, why is it his fault all of a sudden?
But they will try to make it that.
I appreciate that, Mark.
And we're also looking at... I'm sorry.
You all right?
Would you like a throat lozenge?
Yeah,
we're also looking at
another story, the big edit.
You know, the thing is this was bound to come out, right?
Yeah.
You
know,
Fox News has edited those interviews, with Trump.
Completely,
all the time.
Yeah.
And
to make
him look good.
Exactly.
And, you know, Trump goes after 60 minutes, kind of wins that case because they had to fold in order to make a merger take place with Paramount.
But the whole thing here is now, it's coming out, and it should be coming out.
Yeah.
This has been doing this for thousands of years.
Thousands of years.
All right, well, here, let's get to the first story here on idiocracy.
By the way, I want to just mention, I'm hearing idiocracy a lot.
Me too.
In newscasts now.
I heard somebody brought it up last night.
Yes.
On what show
was that?
MSNBC.
Was
it MSNBC with Chris Hayes?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Be trendsetters or trendsetters now?
This is just like idiocracy.
Of course we are.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah, it's normal.
It's an actual term.
I bet it's going to be added to the dictionary if it isn't already, right?
All right.
So anyway, um, Marjorie Taylor green was called out for her calls about terrorism.
This was just a, this is just a fun thing.
I don't know who the representative is that called her out on it, but let's just say mic drop time.
Okay.
Let's listen to cut 77 here.
Listen,
let's talk about border patrol apprehensions between.
between porch of an entry at the southwest border of terrorist terrorist
and I have to say it is pretty rich hearing the gentleman from Georgia
expressed concern about terrorism.
And she literally was selling defund the FBI t-shirts and hats on her website for $30 apiece, $30 for the shirts and another $30 for the hats.
You don't get both for just the $30.
The leading law enforcement agency tasked with combating terrorism in this country and keeping people safe.
And she wants to defund it.
So I'm not going to take any lectures from her on.
Securing this homeland from terror with
that
I yield back Isn't
that just fantastic so in the murder
I'm not gonna yield to the gentlemen She's quite manly But anyway that that is something else
Selling t-shirts.
Do you fund the FBI?
Yeah, wow and baseball caps, too You don't get you don't get them together 30 points Watch out.
Yeah, they're trying to take yeah, so can you all right now?
We've talked about this before and I sounded somewhat like a conspiracy theorist But you know, I'm kind of wondering why we never hear about the Trump shooter right in Butler
What happened there?
No one ever brings it up.
It was
an investigation, but we didn't hear much about
it.
So I guess a reporter brought it up to Trump the other day, and that would be cut 68.
Let's listen to cut 68.
And all about the Trump shooter.
What happened?
Will you repeat that question?
On this one year anniversary of Butler, I was going through your mind this morning when you woke up.
I know that you're praising God, you're alive, but a lot of people want to know how you've taken this day on this one year anniversary.
God was
protecting me.
Maybe because God wanted to see our country do better or do really well, make America great again.
But God was protecting me, Brian.
I'll tell you, it's the more you think about it, the more you see it.
But now I just...
I don't like to think about it much.
You know, I have a job to do,
so
I don't
like to think about it much.
You don't think about any of that.
It's a
little bit of a dangerous profession being
president.
What,
thinking?
But I really don't like to think about it
too much.
No,
yes.
I think you better off not thinking about
it.
Yeah, don't think about it.
Don't think about it.
No, I wouldn't think about it.
No, no, I think he made that point, right?
And so let's listen to this next cut.
This is from The Hill.
This is a...
part of their report in regards to what happened to the shooter.
Let's listen.
OK.
Well, protecting him, how he doesn't feel more attached to this issue.
It feels like he's very quiet.
It's weird, right?
I felt the same way about Trump's response.
The Daily Callers White House correspondent on a trip to Iowa last weekend asked the president if he was satisfied with the investigation into the assassination attempt.
And he said that he was.
But meanwhile, the public doesn't know much of anything about the attempted assassin.
They don't know what his motivations were, what his background was, how he got to this point.
We haven't heard much about what the Secret Service is doing to make sure that something like this doesn't happen again.
So to hear Trump himself say, it's basically case closed as far as I'm concerned is really bizarre.
It is, it is quite bizarre.
The reason I think that they're holding off on this and they don't talk about it much is because the shooter was conservative.
Well, right.
He was a Trump supporter.
Yes.
He was Republican.
And that's why they don't want to bring it up, because this is homegrown terrorism.
And they don't want to talk about homegrown terrorism in this country and the shooter.
So that's my point of view on it.
I don't know why the news people don't bring that up every so often, but I think it has a lot to do with portraying the right wing, the Megas, as people who are dangerous to this country.
And I think that is the meme.
jotted down a few of the responses to this story.
Isabella DeLuca, it's been one whole year and we still know nothing about this guy.
And here's another response.
We know he was a registered Republican and everyone who knew him described him as a conservative.
So that's where the epiphany for me came in.
When I read those two, I thought, yes, that has to be it.
They just don't want to point a finger at conservatives in any of this.
But they did.
Didn't they reprimand or fire some secret services agents after that report came out about the investigation?
Yeah,
they suspended a few and
yeah, right
So that's about all they did.
Yeah, that's all we heard about now Let's get you know the report came out and it looks like inflation is starting to bubble up and take place here So I want to hear cut 88.
This is from CBS news.
Let's listen
New inflation numbers show the prices you pay in stores going up faster last month.
The annual inflation rate of 2.7% was the highest since February.
Economists think prices will go up even more if President Trump's new tariffs take effect on August 1st as scheduled.
Money Watch correspondent Kelly O'Grady is here with what this means for your bottom dollar.
Kelly, good morning.
Good morning to you all.
All right, so the inflation rate, it kicked up for the second month in a row with June revealing the first meaningful evidence of tariffs pushing prices higher.
So for example, apparel rose by 0.4%.
That was slightly above the monthly average.
Home furnishing prices increased by 1% and appliances
nearly
2%.
These are products that we source primarily from overseas and therefore subject to those import taxes.
While the inflation rate, it's nowhere near the 9% level we reached three years ago, economists
warned
the upward
pressure on
prices will only grow this year, especially with those higher tariffs set to kick in August 1st.
Now businesses, they're worried as well.
The Port of Los Angeles saw the busiest June on record as companies race to import those goods ahead of the higher tariffs and the holiday season as well.
So this uptick really gives the Fed license to continue that wait-and-see approach and hold them steady despite the pressure from the White House.
What do you think the markets are so steady when everything is so tumultuous?
Because everything is August 1st, right?
Let's wait and see.
What are we going to hear from Powell?
Keep putting it off.
That's what it's all about, really.
That's all they want to do.
Yeah.
So everything is going up and the ports are pretty silent after, you know, a very busy time when everybody ordered early and all of that stuff will be cleared out.
Now, you know, they didn't take place while they didn't actually participate much in that big sale.
What was it?
The Amazons?
Prime day.
Oh, the prime sale.
Yeah.
Prime days.
People didn't
get involved in that simply because they didn't want to blow out all this stuff they bought early so they could keep the prices stable.
They didn't want to give those sale prices on items that they just purchased.
Right.
But anyway, all of that is starting to clear out and the prices will start to increase.
Oh, boy.
But you know, I've always said that we have this kind of stable economy.
When they predict inflation, it doesn't happen and then suddenly it did.
happen and the only reason it did happen they always gloss over this but we had a supply chain problem okay right I mean that was the whole reason for it and then of course businesses decided to jump on that and take advantage of it and then increases the prices after that
so they
use the supply chain problems which they actually had and
they increase the prices anyway and then downsize the products.
So it was not a good time, not a good image by big
business.
Right.
Well, it seems like the grocery prices have gone up a little bit and then they backed off a little bit.
You're like you're saying
that,
you know, they're getting ready for the inflation to hit
and
then they're like, okay, really isn't that bad yet.
Let's
hold
on to these prices.
Same thing with gas prices.
They really have.
not jumped up too much lately.
They start inching up a little bit and then they back off.
I've seen it kind of just steady.
Yeah.
That's what I've seen at the pump.
It's just steady.
Nothing's really happened yet.
No big jump.
But now they're predicting low petroleum prices.
Really?
They're just saying that.
Okay, we got to take a break here.
We got more coming up from Idiacra Seep.
So hang in there.
Stay with us.
We'll continue with more of John and Gordy after this.
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Flashing
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Wow, that's an oldie.
Yeah.
Cloudy skies to start your Thursday and high is just 70 degrees today.
It's right.
Right now it's nice and cool.
61.
Yeah.
And feeling less humid.
All the storms well out of here.
Boy, they had five tornadoes scattered across and was watching some of the weather coverage last night.
We had some civic media coverage as well.
And yeah.
Um, there's some damage
by, by
Roxbury of
the
final club.
Yes.
Lots of,
uh,
lots of video and,
uh,
dodge, dodgeville also with a tornado and then a few
others.
Yeah.
We'll get to more of that in about a half hour.
All right.
He got some more news here.
Okay.
This is effectively dead for Kansas farmers.
And they're reeling from this.
Trump has slashed their wheat program.
The program Food Per Peace delivers surplus wheat world why these cuts Kansas Republicans frantically tried to discourage Trump from making is bad news, not just for the recipients of this wheat, but the Kansas farmers who relied on it to sell large amounts of
their product.
Wow.
It was the latest blow to farmers, particularly in Kansas, where about 80% of those on the high plains voted for Mr. Trump.
All right.
So why don't we get to this interesting report from Ali Valci about Medicaid and farm workers.
Let's listen to what he has to say.
Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rowland saw in a gleaming vision kill two birds with one stone.
Her problem is that the Trump administration's immigration crackdown is affecting farms across the country.
Food production is at risk of slowing down as migrant farm workers hesitate to show up to work.
They fear being detained or deported because ICE agents are descending on America's farms.
Authorities say they arrested more than 300 farm workers in a recent operation targeting two California cannabis farms.
They say they were not pursuing another worker when he suffered a fatal fall during one of those raids.
And the problem is U.S.
agriculture relies on migrant farm workers and the industry is lobbying the administration not to deport them.
But President Trump's MAGA supporters accuse the industry of selling out.
They want ICE raids on farms to expand.
Meanwhile, President Trump's signature policy bill that he recently signed into law has its own problem.
It includes some of the biggest cuts to Medicaid in decades, which could leave millions of people without health coverage, something that Trump promised not to do.
But Republicans insist that the work requirements they inserted into the legislation only affect able-bodied adult recipients who choose to be unemployed.
And that's where the agriculture secretary, Brooke Rollins, comes in.
We must be strategic in how we are implementing the mass deportation.
So is not to compromise our food supply.
Oh, ultimately, the answer on this is automation, also some reform within the current governing structure.
And what else?
And then also, when you think about there are 34 million able-bodied adults in our Medicaid program.
There are plenty of workers in America.
It's so
simple.
will deport migrant farm workers and then their jobs will free up for Medicaid recipients who need to work to continue receiving health
care.
They'll qualify for
health coverage and America's food supply will be secured.
Two birds, one stone.
It goes without mentioning the number that Secretary Rowland's uses 34 million able-bodied adults.
First of all, the number is much, much lower than that.
It's between 20 and 30, 25 and 30 million.
And according to Kaiser Family Foundation's research, a majority of them
are working full or part time.
Well, there's one myth that you missed, which is that people are not living off of their Medicaid checks.
This is not welfare.
Medicaid is paid to health care providers when people get health care services.
I'm going to stop you there because this is a huge point.
You can't get rich off of Medicaid benefits.
That's right.
Right.
You not only can't get rich, you can't live off of Medicaid benefits.
So all of these people are doing something else to support themselves.
And as you pointed out in that slide, most of them already work.
They go to school.
They take care of somebody.
Or many people can't work, but they also can't qualify for disabilities.
So there are a lot of people with disabilities who get Medicaid who aren't technically disabled according to the government rule.
And one of the big things that I found this out when I was doing the survey, you know, the census survey, farmers utilize
Medicaid when they don't have very good years, when
they
lose a lot of money,
or
just even any kind of money, they don't make a profit for that year, suddenly they're not making anything, they need to go on Medicaid in order to sustain themselves at least for healthcare coverage and food stamps.
So it's one of those things that is very important, so what are you gonna do?
Ask the farmers to go out and get a job so they can work 80 hours a month in order to still get food stamps or at least Medicaid.
Okay,
now come on what what what that is a huge huge area that they have to think about and no one ever brings it up But it's out there.
We got two minutes left.
Yeah a couple minutes Well, I don't have enough time for the next cut here then.
What are we gonna do?
Okay, let's go to Bankruptcy of Farms 86
You know this, Americans rely on the country's farms to put food on the table.
But according to new research from the University of Arkansas, farmers are filing for bankruptcy at record rates.
News Nation's Brooke Schaefer joins us now.
Brooke, why is this the case?
What's making it so difficult for them to grow and operate?
Well, Markey, we spoke to a company that does farmland transactions and they told us that essentially it's getting a lot more expensive for family farmers to make their products and that is forcing a growing number of these farmers to now
the University of Arkansas released data this month, which claims that from April of last year to this March, more than 250 farms have filed for Chapter 12 farm bankruptcy.
University economists say bankruptcy filings in the first quarter of this year alone have already exceeded.
last year's those same a that farmers are right now described as a financial pr prices for things like s staying relatively high.
S rates are also playing into
All right.
Yeah, so there you have it.
Yeah, farmers.
And we've seen, of course, a lot of bankruptcies here in Wisconsin.
Yeah.
Or year after year after year, 500 or so farms go bankrupt.
Going out of business.
Each and every year on average.
So it is incredible.
And it's happening again, especially because of what Trump's policies are doing to them.
Coming up, we'll talk to attorney Jim Santel in our next hour.
Find out the latest from him.
Back with more of John and Gordy after this.
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cue up cut 81 First we're gonna go to the telephone line.
Mm-hmm listen to what dick has to say this morning.
Good morning dick.
Go ahead.
I Think I know where the f-ing files are
Wait, really?
Wow.
This is late breaking news.
Yeah
They're in the bathroom at Mar-a-Lago
Still
Okay.
I finally figured out what I hate about this whole thing the most.
Yeah.
About all of it.
Yeah.
And him being in charge again is he's turned.
I hate reality shows, by the way.
I always have.
I think they're a waste of time in the furthest.
Yeah.
Me too.
I agree.
But that said, um, here's where I'm going with the whole thing.
He's turned the running of this country into a reality
show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
And we're a joke to the rest of the world.
Boy, are we.
I
think you're
I think you're right.
And here's the thing.
They got rid of all of the departments in the government, right?
They're they're dissolving them.
They're kicking everybody out.
So he has complete control.
I mentioned this a few times.
He's micromanaging the entire nation, which is just stunning.
What do you think about it, right?
You can't possibly know what's going on, each and everything that's going on.
That's why he had departments in the government to handle all of this stuff.
Now he's doing it all by his lonesome.
And well, obviously he's getting a tremendous amount of help from Russell Vote and Stephen Miller.
So
those
are the things.
I still maintain he's going to walk from all this because who's been in charge of the FBI?
Well they could.
They could.
All right.
Dick, thanks a lot.
Thank you, Dick.
Um,
608-879-8255 or get ahold of us on the Civic Media app.
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Earlier, we had a story, you know, where, uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene was whining about terrorism and terrorists crossing the border.
Yes.
And, uh, and she has t-shirts, uh, and ads and baseball caps that she's selling.
Yeah.
Uh, it's, and, and on it is defund the FBI, which deals with terrorism.
So and no, you know, but anyway mark send us a text saying she does as Stephanie Miller points out look a lot like Barney Rubble Wow
all
right kind of a female Popeye All right now let's go to let's go to the Epstein files here.
Oh the Epstein files Let's listen to a few cuts here, and then John Stewart's opinion on that.
Yeah, let's play
You said this was all a hoax.
Has your attorney general told you this was a hoax?
What evidence have you seen in that?
No,
it's not the attorney general.
I know it's a hoax.
It started by Democrats.
It's been run by the Democrats for four years.
You had Christopher Ray and these characters and Comey before him.
It's a bad group.
It started actually look at the steel dossier that turned out to be a total hoax.
The
51 agents, the intelligence, so-called intelligence agents, it was a hoax.
It's all been a big hoax.
It's perpetrated by the Democrats.
And some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net.
And so they try and do the Democrats work.
The Democrats are good for nothing other than these hoaxes.
They're bad for policy.
They're bad for picking candidates.
They can get elected like in New York We have a communist running he may get elected to actually but he's gonna kill destroy the city No, no, it's I call it the Epstein hoax takes a lot of time and effort instead of talking about the great achievements we've had
Okay Yeah, that's it That's it
paid out like that.
Oh, oh you played cut 83.
Okay
I was thinking that was cut 81 that we're going to listen to John Stewart's approach to that.
Let's listen to that as well.
Okay.
This guy's been talked about for years.
Are people still talking about this guy, this creep?
That is unbelievable.
Unbelievable?
You guys ran on it.
There you go.
Remember this?
We need to release the Epstein list.
That is an important thing.
This Epstein sex ring operation, I'm not letting it go ever, ever.
Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are.
And that was before the Trump administration took power.
And by the way, they were still hyping the Epstein files after they took power.
Yeah.
We have flight logs.
We have information, names.
That will come out.
President Trump has given a very strong directive, and that's going to be followed.
So people can expect actual movement on this.
All right.
Just empty promises.
Oh, Donald Trump doesn't make empty promises.
Yeah, all right.
Whoops.
Hmm.
Two of his wives and 10,000 unpaid contractors
disagree.
All right.
So, you know, now my mega friend, Milwaukee, has not mentioned this in any of the texts that he has given me in the last few days.
Oh, I wonder why.
You know, he's waiting to be told what to say.
how to think about all of this.
And he didn't have to wait long.
Podcaster Charlie Kirk.
Oh, Charlie has a whole theory on this.
This is so outrageous and so ridiculous.
I want you to hold on to your
seats,
strap
yourself in
and get ready to pause when I ask you to pause the cut because I might have to interject something.
But
let's listen.
All
right.
He said something similar on his truth social this morning and he calls it the Epstein hoax.
Now, before we go any further, I do want to say big breaking news this morning.
Yeah, John Solomon is reporting that in his sit down interview with Donald Trump, President Trump has greenlit a special prosecutor to potentially be able to go after the criminal conspiracy around Epstein and all deep state activity.
So that is a phenomenal victory.
OK, let's pull that right up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now they're going to investigate this like the Mueller report.
They're going to go after something that he just made up.
just recently, like in the last few days, that it's a hoax.
Something they promoted, they promised to give us, but it's now a hoax created by other people that he even participated in for two years.
And now we need a special prosecutor.
Now there's a press, I can't even, I can't wrap my head around this.
Okay, you know,
okay,
let's just.
And
now today, as of today, first, the first sighting of
the media calling this Epstein Gate.
Oh yes, you're right.
Epstein Gate.
We've decided now it's Epstein Gate.
Okay, I just wanted to throw that
out.
All
right, let's play.
Okay.
That is something that we should rejoice in.
Think basically Robert Mueller for deep state activity, but one of our guys doing it.
We do not care about the story as a way to hurt Donald Trump.
In fact, it's the opposite.
We actually care about this story because this is a rare opportunity of a sloppy operation by the deep state.
The base cares about this because we are defending you.
And it's not so much about that we care about the person of Jeffrey Epstein.
Got it.
Okay.
Get to it.
We are actually interested in, who was he an agent of?
Okay,
stop
it
there.
Okay.
Who was he?
Ah, the deep state now comes into the picture.
All right.
Now, gotta remember now, Trump participated in this.
to the max everybody that works under him
in this
current administration participated
in this to the
max as well and uh and now we're trying to find out you know who is at the center of this conspiracy this hoax all right let's continue
we're the same people that were behind butler pennsylvania
the same people that were behind the Russia hoax?
What?
Were they also the ones that were pulling the strings of Jeffrey Epstein?
The same people that were around COVID?
Mr. President, the same people that were behind the stolen election of 2020?
We think these are the same actors.
President Donald Trump is venting off some anger right now because he thinks that this is being used to derail his presidency.
He thinks...
that this is being used to derail all of his success.
We want to try and make sure the bad people that have done such terrible things to you can finally be held accountable.
Unbelievable.
Yes.
So
there
you
go.
We got to find out the person who's pulling the strings because that person should be prosecuted.
Man, I'm telling you, this is a bigger story than anybody could have
imagined.
It's blowing up now and they could have been part of the assassination of Butler.
Oh my God, I would not have tied all that stuff together.
Thank God we have people like Charlie Kirk out there.
He's brilliant,
by the way.
This is the same guy that debates what college students day in, day out.
Yeah, college students.
Yeah.
Acting like he has actually gone to college.
So this person is unbelievable.
So that is what the new story is.
And I know my mega friend in Milwaukee is going to
Now know exactly what to say that somebody else is pulling the strings.
Somebody else has decided to make this happen.
That there wasn't really an Epstein thing at all.
Well, that they participated in for the last four years.
It's kind of an odd way to get this
off of the headlines.
It is.
I thought they wanted to make this story go away.
Now we're going to get a special prosecutor.
A
prosecutor.
And amp it up even more.
There you go,
Gary.
I
don't get it.
That's it.
What's the
strategy here?
Let's keep it in the news.
I think they're trying to do is we're not gonna get rid of this anytime soon Yeah, we have another cut too, but we might get to that after these this next break because I think it's it's a Daily show clip,
uh-huh
Oh,
yes, that's right.
We'll get to that.
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And it's a cloudy start for us.
Cool temperatures have moved in.
Let's get the latest on the weather with Brittany Merlot, our chief meteorologist.
Good morning, Brittany.
Good morning guys.
How the heck are you?
Wow.
We
survived.
We survived.
Yeah.
Wow.
These tornadoes flying around last night.
It
was pretty active.
In and out.
It's sunny one moment.
It's cloudy the next tornadoes flying all over the place.
It was crazy weather.
Yeah.
Can you kind
of give us a
recap
of
what we went through?
Yeah.
Could you relive
this
thing for us?
One more time.
Sure.
Here we go.
So it started earlier than we were thinking.
Bye bye at an hour.
12 o'clock or so.
Dodgeville.
got that first tornado looks like around 126 went to socks city that area fall river beaver dam Fox Lake even a funnel cloud into Fonda lack I mean there was about seven I think different tornadoes that were confirmed on the ground so
We were just exploding from about 12 to four or so.
Then the heavy rain just kept pounding.
The Fox Valley were crazy.
Flooding was going on in Whatomo where cars were submerged, streets closed.
I mean, it was a long afternoon to say the least.
And now it feels like fall out there.
Now, I didn't hear about any injuries
as far as I know.
Neither, thankfully.
But there was some pretty good damage up around Roxbury between Roxbury and Sock City.
There was quite a lot of damage on the ground there.
And now we move on to some much better weather here, at least for today, right?
Yeah, thankfully, much calmer today, cooler, crisp, mostly cloudy, eventually becoming partly cloudy by the afternoon.
Highs at about 72 degrees.
And
tomorrow, we stay sunny.
Highs around 80.
We got a chance of showers and storms by midnight.
It kind of lingers a little bit into our Saturday on and off chances on Saturdays.
So a damper day Saturday highs at about 82 and then partly sunny and calm again for Sunday.
All right.
Typical, typical weather
for this
time of the
year.
Yeah.
So when it gets really active like that last night, you know, I know you get up really early in the morning, but how late did you have to stay up to monitor all
this?
I can't sleep.
I stand through it all.
Yeah, us meteorologists can't stop.
There's no way I could be sleeping.
Well, something like that was hitting the state.
So I was definitely monitoring it and relaying all the information I could, but I hope everyone is okay.
Clean up today.
That's right.
We'll have a bunch to clean up, that's for sure.
All right, Brittany, thank you so much.
You have a good day.
We'll
talk to you
tomorrow.
It's Brittany Merlot, our chief
meteorologist.
Let's
continue our
topic here at the
Epstein
File.
The Epstein Hoax or Epstein Gate.
Epstein Gate, that's the latest one.
So let's get to it.
Jordan Klepper talked about this on The Daily Show.
Let's see what he had to say.
And the Trump administration can't get its stories straight.
There was a client list, then there was no client list.
They were going to release all the files, and then they decided not to release any files.
So let's
see what today's excuse is.
I would say that these files were made up by Comey.
They were made up by Obama.
They were made up by the Biden.
So let me get this straight.
According to Trump, all the top Democrats got together and said, let's create some fake files that destroy Trump's political career.
They don't ever use them.
They let Trump get elected.
Don't use them.
Let Trump get elected again.
Still don't use them.
And then once he's the president, hope he releases the files without ever looking at them.
Frankly.
Yeah.
That plan sounds so inconceivably bad.
do believe the Democrats might have come up with.
And after initially pushing back, some of them are
getting the message.
I think the DOJ should immediately move to unseal all the Epstein documents in the Southern District of New York.
I think every file should be released to the public the same way as the JFK files.
Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.
I'm going to trust my friends in the administration.
I'm going to trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it, balls in their hands.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
The balls in their hands, he says.
The balls in their hands.
Wow.
There are a lot of unanswered questions.
But the biggest question is just what on earth
is going
on?
I
don't know what's happening.
It doesn't make sense.
I can't reconcile this, Donald Trump.
with the Trump that we're seeing right now.
The Trump that is gaslighting the public right now.
And Donald Trump and Epstein didn't just party together.
They were neighbors.
Epstein said he was Trump's closest friend for 10 years.
And these guys didn't just party together.
Epstein was a part of some major milestones in Trump's life.
Jeffrey Epstein introduced Melania to Donald Trump.
Trump was a frequent passenger on Epstein's plane, known as the Lolita Express.
Get this.
And Epstein told author Michael Wolf the first time he slept with Melania was on my plane.
And that is how I met your mother, Baron.
I'll tell you, next time you're on a flight with a crying baby, just think about how much worse it could be.
Boy
yeah, that's wild stuff.
Oh
my god is yeah Okay, but you know it's gonna be fodder for a lot of people and comedians From here on in yeah,
it's gonna go on It's hard to even
imagine something like this that he would actually create this conspiracy this hoax and expect people to believe it
Well,
of
course, Charlie Kirk is jumping on board somehow and, you know, thinking we're going to find the culprit who devised this, this insidious
plan.
The deep stage.
Wow.
Well, yeah.
Trump's really backed himself into this corner.
He can't, no matter what he does.
He can't do anything now.
This is it.
And I think this might be
it.
This could be it.
This will be the thing that does him in, right?
Oh, we hope.
We'll wait
and see.
We'll
keep you posted.
Yes.
You know, Doug texted in here, he said,
with the
demise of public radio, it's time for John and Gordy to create a new pirate radio station to reach rural America.
That's it.
That's
it.
Spin-off.
That would be our
pirate radio
pod.
cast, two world Americans.
That's a good idea Doug.
Coming up right around the corner, Jim Santel will join us and a whole lot more.
We've got a lot to talk about.
Yes we do.
Coming up on John and Gordy in the morning.
Keep it right here.
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I was checking it this morning, and every Thursday, Catherine puts out the newsletter, you know?
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Well, I thought
I thought Catherine was trying to distance herself from us.
So
it's nice
to see her featuring us
in the
newsletter.
Oh, I think we're kind of banned from the newsletter there for a couple of months.
But apparently we've made it.
Just
want to mention, by the way,
we're going
to be filling in for Maggie Dawn on Wednesday
and after noon.
Yeah.
All right.
That'll be fun.
Four to six.
And we're hoping that Jim Santel.
Oh, he.
It just happens to be here.
It
would be our guest on that program as well.
Uh, I'll tell you what, let's go to Jim Santel.
You could always hear his podcast on Saturdays, 90, 11 o'clock, two hours of summation of what took place the week before.
And there are so many illegal things that take place the week before.
They're just ridiculous.
And because the law review, check it out on Saturdays.
I don't know how you
can keep track of
everything.
Yeah.
How do you do that, Jim?
And the reality is that I don't.
And the other thing that you know well, because guess you.
suffer from the same problem, which is the things in the cutting room floor, right?
Everything as of Tuesday, you think this has got to be the lead, and then it turns out something even more incredulous happens on Wednesday, and you've forgotten by Friday what Monday was all about.
And now just following up on your last conversation, which was excellent, underscoring the frivolity and the craziness of this Epstein thing.
Now we've got
apparently unfounded conspiracies about unfounded conspiracies, right?
And so I defy anyone, including Dom, who's much younger and brighter than I will ever be, to outline, to diagram what this thing is all about.
And again, it changes.
That's another problem.
As you just said, the diagram changes virtually hourly.
And again, trying to, at any time, diagram the president's own sentences defies a complete linguistic.
That sums
it up, yeah.
I don't think you could diagram this at
all.
There's no
relation to anything that happened prior to this.
And since I'm on this role apparently this morning, I will tell you as well that all of this, including the more serious stories, and not that, I mean, the Epstein thing, of course, is a tragedy, right?
Let's acknowledge that.
At the top of the list are victims out there who are still victims of
His horrific crimes, Zell's crimes as well.
That's number one.
You've got the entire, frankly, it's a tragedy for the defendants, a tragedy for the system.
And now it's a tragedy for us as a government when we're spending time again because of what the president has done and people like Charlie Clerk and these other folks.
What should we be talking about every single day?
How about education?
How about the environment?
How about commerce, right?
How about international matters?
And yet he has
effectively taken up the space here by, again, promoting something in the capacity of the vice president of junior high school student council.
That's what this really is.
And that's what the people are in charge of our government right now.
That's how bad at all levels it has become.
It's incredibly juvenile.
Let's get to the firings here.
I mean, you know, Comey's daughter was fired who had defended
uh, uh, Epstein in, in those, in that case.
So let's, let's find out more about the, these firings.
I, I didn't know it was a kind of a broad grouping of firings.
It's been going on for a while.
First, I'm pretty sure we recall this fellow named Emil Beauvais, who might be an appeals court judge fairly soon, right?
Yes.
Another one of our favorite characters also in those junior high school student council.
But but he was the one who early on you may recall fired virtually all of the directly and indirectly all the attorneys who had prosecuted the January 6th
rioters.
Those folks are gone from the U.S.
Attorney's Office.
We've had others.
We've had firings in many, many units.
The big one just this past week inside the Department of Justice is something called the federal programs branch.
And I know that I hope that no one on this broadcast, none of your listeners has ever heard of the federal programs branch because you don't have to.
You shouldn't have to know this.
But these are the people who've been out there when they talk about attorneys and Department of Justice who are defending the Presidents, for example,
is policies on deportation and on birthright citizenship.
And you fill in the blank on all these things, the fighterings, these are the folks who will go in and defend the president's policies.
And they've done that again for previous administrations.
They're sophisticated attorneys, they're apolitical, even though they're defending now in defensible positions, which is the story.
110 attorneys in this branch, inside the Civil Division, 69 of them.
Wow 69 of 110 have left since November because number one they cannot defend these defenseless positions anymore and number two They're completely overworked.
It is just a calamitous workload because of all of these lawsuits that they're required to defend
on a regular basis.
And they're basically saying, ethically, we can't do this anymore.
And I'm going to drop dead if I continue to work at this level because of the nature of what's going on.
It is a very serious matter inside the Department of Justice.
And again, listeners should not have to know about the federal programs branch.
It's basically been decimated, as has the Civil Rights Division and others.
And again, the attorney, again, Maureen Comey, your FC right head, she is one of a singular person, also finds herself fired.
Why?
Because Donald Trump doesn't like the fact that her father is James Comey, doesn't want any Comeys in his Justice Department.
This is the very competent person who prosecuted Diddy Sean Combs and also prosecuted Epstein.
Again, not not to completion there because he committed suicide, right?
But this is again a good person.
It's like the former U.S.
I'm going go on, right?
When she resigned because Emile Beauvais told her to get rid of that lawsuit involving the mayor of New York, she said no, it's a basis for doing it.
I'm ethically prohibited from doing what you're directing me to do.
Mr. Beauvais and she resigned.
And so we're losing all of this experience and all of these fundamentally good people who know what they're doing.
That's the Department of Justice these days, six months into this term.
Where will we be in three and a half more years?
Well, then Emil Bovee is about to be okayed, rubber stamped by the Senate, right?
I mean, he told attorneys to say FU to the judges.
So he's going to be a federal judge now.
He's going to be a federal judge.
He's going to the third circuit, which is, again, the mid-Atlantic state, sort of.
And again, in that amazing discussion with the senators, the senatorial committee, they asked him about this.
Did you instruct attorneys, as many people have said, including this whistleblower, basically tell judges you either don't know, disemble, lie to them.
And again, using the F word,
asked about that specifically, and you may recall well, what did he say?
What did he say?
He said, I can't remember if I had that conversation a few weeks ago, directives to the attorneys of the Department of Justice.
that that is is tantamount to saying yes I said that and I simply am avoiding a perjury prosecution now by indicating I can't recall I'm going to be on the third circuit Court of Appeals second highest court just below the Supreme Court and I just found it America I just
I was just stunned when he was asked that question did you say that he said did I say what
You can't recall.
That
was
just amazing
to
me
to
say
something like
that.
Adam Schiff looks at him again, a former assistant United States attorney, Adam Schiff in California.
Are you telling me, Mr. Beauvais, that you do not recall having this converse this meeting weeks ago with members of the litigation group there?
And he says, what?
I can't recall.
It is incredulous.
And yet, that's the level.
There are other reasons for what it's worth.
I know I'm just roaning on here this morning.
Just yesterday, about 900 former Department of Justice
Attorneys and personnel sent a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying, do not confirm this man.
He is not qualified and they're absolutely right to do
so.
And they're going to put him in.
That's it.
They're going to put him in.
They've got the votes to place him on that.
And he will be there.
I think he is in his 40s or so.
This is a lifetime tenure position, which means that, again, I'm picking on Dom a lot this morning.
Dom's grandchildren will probably be still
hearing about Emil Wobe, United States Court of Appeals judge in the decades to come.
Look, we're
giving the president so much power here.
The Supreme Court
is just
dumping power on him and completely getting rid of Congress.
It doesn't even matter.
The legislative branch doesn't even exist anymore at this point.
So you
think maybe the president, future president can just get rid of Bovi?
You know, the answer would be once he is
Once he is there in the appeals court position, he is there for life.
And really, they
can't just step
in and say, you're gone.
You cannot.
Yeah, you can do this.
You can do this thing.
You can impeach a judge.
You can't impeach a federal judge that requires the return of articles of impeachment and trial in the Senate.
We've had a few of them.
Pretty rare in history, but it's very rare and very difficult and will never happen under
these political circumstances, one does wonder, candidly, and I'm not suggesting anything untoward should happen with Emil Beauvais.
I hope that in his own way, he has a good and long life.
But the reality is, one does wonder, someone who is this volatile at this point in his career, we've seen these people in politics, we've seen them in the legal profession, so arrogant, so over the top defiant, one wonders where you will be in 10 and 15 and 20 years from now, even on the bench.
Is your own activity going to be the source of your own destruction in some way
talking to Jim Santel former US Attorney at law and Jim now what about this the ruling from the Supreme Court that Trump can just fire anybody now
From my you
know
the federal government tell us how this is even possible.
This is all in Congress's purview.
This is their job
This is the separation of powers.
How can they keep making these kinds of decisions?
I'm stumped.
Give me some legal reason.
Can you please
do something that they
don't give on the shadow docket?
Right.
There is none.
And that's the reason why you've got people like Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan and Angie Brown Jackson.
You're in good company, I would say, John and Gordy with them because they're saying the same thing.
They're looking at this and they're writing these 20-page descents saying, what is going on here?
And they're addressing both the substance.
They're looking at this and saying, it's exactly what you just identified, which is these are congressional decisions.
They created the Department of Education.
Only the legislature can turn around and shut it down.
And with respect to all of these firings, and yes indeed, that's what they did early this week.
They issued again a non-order.
basically overturning a lower court decisions thing.
The president cannot do this.
Well reasoned decisions.
They're out there on the record.
In one line, two lines, you've got the majority, not the other three, but the majority of the Supreme Court saying, president can go ahead and do this.
And again, this affirms one of his early executive orders, directing all kinds of people to be fired.
Jim Santel, stay with us.
We'll be back with more of John and Gordy right after
this.
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All right, Jim Santella, we want to ask you the question about a big case that happened in California and a judge brought up an interesting point.
that not a lot of them have brought up, and that is that a lot of these ice raids are taking place, but there isn't reasonable suspicion.
I mean, they're just sweeping people up, and a judge says, you can't do that.
You have to have a reasonable suspicion that they're doing something illegal, that something is wrong.
What is it that you're finding that you can do this?
What excuse do you have?
and they haven't come up with anything.
Not one thing.
I thought that was interesting from the judge.
Now, one reason.
And this is, again, a federal district court judge in California who looks at, and this is not just based upon representations made by the attorneys, which, as you know, are often suspect
right on all sides
of litigation.
She's looking at tapes.
She's looking at videos.
She's looking at photographs and having, of course, evidentiary presentations as a part of her inquiry into whether or not there should be a preliminary injunction at first level.
Should I stop this from happening before it goes on further?"
And she says, yes, I need to do that because all the evidence, as you just said, John, indicates what you're doing, what these federal agents are doing.
The United States Department of Homeland Security and other agents are doing is looking at people and saying, I don't like the way you look.
And for that reason, I am going to detain you.
I'm going to arrest you.
That is in violation of the Constitution.
And again, here's the civics point, which you just made, which is law school stuff.
In order for the police in America and any decent republic to stop you and to detain you, and frankly, even if you've got probable cause next that they can arrest you, you've got to have some reasonable suspicion that Jim Santel is doing something that might be illegal.
And I can't make that detention, can't do something further.
If you just don't like the color of my skin, you don't like the music,
that I happen to be playing from my car.
You don't like the way I'm walking down the street.
That is not reasonable suspicion.
That's what the judge says.
Let's get back to core information, core standards here, and reimpose what has been the law of America for decades.
And it's stunning once again that we have to have a judge
And it does
get national news because
it has to be reminded.
We have to be reminded as a nation what our rule of law principles are.
That's once again where we are in 2025.
It's
one of those
moments where you slap your forehead and you go, wow, I forgot.
Because it's amazing how this administration has just done whatever they wanted to do, regardless of laws, any legal reason at all.
Don't we teach civics in high school anymore, or junior high, or middle school, or mandatory, you know, to graduate,
right?
It seems like no one's aware of
it.
And you've got to wonder too, okay, what are the instructions being given?
Before anybody goes out onto the street for any what's a arrest, a seizure or anything, what is it, me to ask along, what are the instructions being given by the federal agents, the supervisors?
What are they being told to do?
And that really gets to the core of this, right?
What is the focus, the mission of the end, to your point, the every implication, every suggestion, as the judge said, is that their instruction is do what you want, do what you need to do, and you do not need to be concerned about that.
And by the way, when we get in front of federal judges, we'll tell them, again, getting back to Emile Beauvais and others here, and we'll tell them we don't know, we don't remember, and basically we'll just lie to them.
And that is a recipe for absolute meltdown of our system.
And that's why this decision out of Southern California truly is, to use yet another expression.
It's a canary in the coal mine, right?
It's telling us there's something fundamentally terrible about how federal law enforcement, anyway, is being administered at these high levels.
in a population, I believe that Los Angeles is the highest Hispanic population per capita in the country.
And obviously the ground zero for that and also these protests and the responses by the president of that, all these things come together in Los Angeles.
It just seems like the government institutions are all in free fall right now.
Yes.
And it's not a good feeling.
It's a horrible
and we're not getting any help from the Supreme Court standing up for the Constitution They are just giving all this power back to the over to the president up back I was gonna say if a Democratic president were ever to take office again But somehow Congress would see the power that they had at one time and try to take it back and it's not gonna happen now the president
Even from the Democratic side can do a lot of stuff that the Republicans are not going to like if they ever have, you know, a majority in Congress again, but a Democratic president.
Good luck with that, guys.
Right,
right.
Think about the future,
think about the precedent you're setting, and that's the concern.
Last 10 weeks alone, there are at least seven, maybe eight, maybe nine times when our Supreme Court has given the president these, these unbridled powers, again, without explanation of what they're doing.
Well, thank goodness,
Kataji Brown Jackson is in there saying something, anything, and being criticized for it.
Yeah.
Yes.
All right,
so we got to leave it there.
Jim Santel, thank you for joining us.
You can always listen to Jim.
Always
a
pleasure.
On the weekends, on Saturday.
And
Jim will be with us when we fill in for Maggie Dawn next Wednesday
afternoon.
Yes, Wednesday.
Thank you again, Jim.
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