From the depths of a digital abyss, where truth drowns in a sea of clickbait and algorithms, a beacon ignites.
From the heart of Badgerland, from our studios on State Street and downtown Madison, Wisconsin, it's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.
WMDX 92.7.
John and Gordy just singing along with the tune here.
And we're apologizing now for that.
We realize that it's probably really irritating.
It's annoying.
And annoying.
That's our old theme song from 30 or 40
years ago,
50 years ago.
I
knew.
But it seemed to fit, you know, the media world show that we had on cable access.
Yeah.
That was a lot of fun.
Boy, you know, the thing is, you know, we were tied in with radio stations and TV stations.
Yeah.
And at the time we had a chance on cable access to invite everybody in from the media, any radio station,
any TV show.
We were the Neutral Zone.
The Neutral Zone.
And we had TV weather people like Elmer Childress visit us.
Yeah.
All the legends.
All these rock people, too.
Marcus
Boffery.
Mark and
Beth.
And the Evil Twins and the Obros.
Mark and
Beth.
Yes, Mark and Beth.
Doug
Moe.
Oh, Doug Moe.
Yeah, they all.
We had the Honor of Visions on a few times.
Yeah.
We had attorneys on.
And you
can still see those old videos, right?
Yes, you can.
On your website.
We were one of the first to actually feature the Onion News.
Oh, that's right.
Scott Dickers.
Yeah, we brought a few people in.
We interviewed Scott Dickers, and we interviewed a couple of the reporters.
The, oh man, these guys were really good.
And
they turned up a lot
of different stories.
Stories that most of the major media missed in Madison for some reason, but they had it there in the Onion.
Did we have Jolder Spain on once or no?
I
think we did.
I can't remember.
I think
we did.
He went on from being a reporter to a police spokesperson
for
Madison Police for many years.
Yeah, we had them all back then.
Those were the weird old days of Madison.
I gotta say.
Weird.
It was weird.
What?
I
gotta say.
Dom?
Who, do you know who made that opening theme music?
Do you know who was the
creator of that?
You know, I
don't know who that, oh.
Oh,
wait a minute.
That was
me.
I don't know.
I don't know the
lore enough.
I don't know the lore enough.
Yeah, I did that when I used to play rock guitar and worked out of a recording studio in Bosquebell that no longer exists.
Oh, no.
That's too bad.
It's not a legendary legend.
Well,
Jamie moved it to Reedsburg,
a
museum.
He still has a recording studio, but Neve has all the old
tapes, too.
Yeah, he
does.
He
has
a
master on that.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's what we're playing now, the master.
Yeah.
That was a long time ago.
For us,
everything was a
long
time ago.
Grandpa.
Grandpa.
Grandpa.
Grandpa.
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Well, it's.
It's all right.
That's a call for my Samsung watch.
WMDX.
838 sunset time, just in case you were
just
very curious.
838, yeah.
Setting your clocks and alarms to that.
I'll be in my gazebo.
OK.
With a refreshment
or two.
On that
again.
Yeah.
63 degrees currently on my watch
and
85 predicted high today and 67 predicted low temperature.
But even though the temperatures are about that right now.
Yeah.
It's still a little warm out there.
It's a little.
The humidity.
and new points are a little high up there.
Yeah, and again, we have about a 20 to 40% chance of rain this afternoon.
That's a pretty good chance.
Keep an eye on that.
A little bit later on today, we'll talk to Jim Santel, attorney at law.
Oh boy, do we have a lot to
talk about, honey.
Oh boy.
You know, the thing is, it's not as many cases, but what we're really worried about is the long-term effects of some of the decisions that they've made.
Yeah.
I mean, we're all bracing for...
completely clearing out of the US government.
I mean, that's that's what's in store.
Apparently
I'm waiting for this.
You know, I think right now Trump is distracted with just about everything in a two or three items just blow his mind.
So
he's stumped.
He looks stumped most of the time.
He looks he
doesn't look well.
He actually doesn't.
You see, he kind of sits there and absorbs and listens to people and reacts, but he doesn't.
really projecting the ideas or details to any policies that he's putting in place.
He slowed down a little bit.
In fact, we have a cut, I think, a little bit later on where he was asked, well, how did you come up with that decision?
And there's always the worst possible answer you could ever get to.
Oh, you know, here's the thing, you know, and I'm going to mention this later during that story, but just for those listening early and don't get to listen in
our
second hour.
Jen Psaki.
And I didn't like her at first.
Actually, she had a rough start.
Yes, she did.
But I'm noticing a pattern with Jen Psaki.
Yeah, she's getting better.
And she is not only, you know, just kind of reporting the hot items, but she has a rye sense of humor about all of them.
And she's actually presenting, and this is what I think, she's presenting the absurdity of government at
this
point.
And I've got...
This great piece.
Now, it's a little long.
I don't know if I'm gonna play the whole thing, but she makes comparison after comparison of what Trump is doing to the reaction of the press and the reaction of what people think about his policies.
And it's just, it is absolutely
gold.
Yeah, she's finding her wheelhouse
now.
She's
finally gotten comfortable and, you know, she was press secretary for Biden, right?
No, Obama.
Obama.
Okay, I think.
I
don't know, I
can't remember.
I thought you were
really old now.
Maybe it was by initially.
Yes, maybe.
Anyway, our research department will look
into that.
Research department will be texting us very soon
here.
I'm looking into it now.
And of course, the other breaking news, Overlight.
Oh no, I know.
Just sit down for this one.
It's just too good.
It's too good.
There's word from NASA.
Yeah.
John, tell us, NASA.
Well,
guess who the new administrator?
The interim
administrator for NASA.
You know, they have
rockets and stuff.
It's going to be Sean Duffy.
Sean Duffy.
Sean Duffy's taken on another responsibility.
Oh, my God.
I think he's in charge of like six departments now.
What could go
wrong?
What could go wrong?
You know, I don't know why.
You know, we got that call from CJ who couldn't hold on yesterday.
But I wanted to know if he's like, changed his mind about things.
I mean, you can drink the Kool-Aid so long,
you
can be a cult member for so long, and then suddenly you're just saying, oh my god, this can't be happening.
I can't keep making excuses for these guys.
I know.
But, uh, well, so congratulations,
Sean
Duffy.
Our hats off to you, and he had some
statement.
Okay, well, you know, he did have a statement.
I jotted it down.
Did you?
Yeah, go ahead.
This is his mission statement.
Let's launch.
Oh, God.
It ain't rocket science.
It's Sean Duffy.
This is truly the onion.
Oh, my God.
This is
the onion.
Yeah, it just doesn't
get any
better than this.
We're also going to be checking in in just a few minutes in about 15 minutes with Tim Slacker from Busted Pencils and get all the latest about edumacation.
He's going to educate us.
Well, I want to ask him about the dual enrollment we talked about yesterday, you know, where you're you have classes in high school, but they also apply to credits in college.
Right.
And they're disproportionately located in areas where white affluent people get these dual enrollment programs, but the poor areas don't get them.
And I pointed out that this is a great example of why banning DEI is a bad idea because now we can't
spread this out to lower income areas where they actually have dual enrollment as well.
They don't have as many of those programs.
So now they can't improve on it.
They can't actually make it happen because it would be helping minority people out and we can't have that anymore because we don't have those problems.
I don't know why I'm even thinking there is a problem like that.
It's not a problem.
So anyway, we're going to ask Tim about that and also Tim and Johnny are talking.
a lot about AI.
And that is
one big
issue, and we'll be getting to that.
I have an idea on AI, by the way,
so
now I'm going to present it to Tim and see what he has to say about it.
All right, now let's get to the big program.
Item here.
Yes,
the juvenile
corner.
Yeah, what do we got here from?
From Dom this morning we have what's where what's what's not worse?
What's what?
What's what?
What is it?
Would you would you would you think this is rather
would you rather think this is worse?
Would you yes, it's would you rather?
Let's let's let's
get this.
All right, all right.
This name I can't what is it again?
Would you rather here would you rather would you?
Rather.
Okay.
Take it away.
Dominic Lee.
Sorry, I got it.
I got it.
A little more reverb on that.
A
cowbell.
More cowbell.
More cowbell.
All right.
First question.
Would you rather listen to an annoying laugh for a whole day or get tickled for an entire hour?
Tickled,
I
guess.
I hate getting tickled, especially
on my
side.
I can't get tickled.
I
would rather listen to that annoying laugh for the entire
24 hours.
Yeah, human touch is not something I'm used to anymore.
So I would go with the laughter.
Question number two.
Question number
two, would you rather...
That
was a cry for help.
I don't know.
We're
gonna brush by that.
Would
you rather have no eyelashes for the rest of your life?
or your butt cheeks pierced.
Which one would you rather have?
Eyelashes, I don't think I have them now.
Eyelashes.
Get rid
of
the eyelashes.
I think I burned them up when I was lighting joints in the old days.
Eyelashes and knife routes are gone.
Yes, I would rather have my butt cheeks pierced.
All right,
question number three.
Really?
What?
Wow.
No, there's got, we got to go deeper into that.
I think this might also
be a cry for help too.
All right.
Really, you'd rather have your butt cheeks pierced together.
I feel like it wouldn't hurt that much.
It's a lot of soft tissue
down there.
You know, I think we got to look at some of these questions because it says a lot about you, Dom.
All these
questions are pertaining
to me.
We need to preview these
for you.
Third and final question, would you rather
a ponytail down to your ankles, or have a massive Adam's apple.
I'm just thinking
about the
scenario here.
Oh no.
I would like a ponytail down to my ankles.
I
want to be tangled.
I feel like that'd be really cool.
Yeah, I think so.
That Adam's apple, that'd be very awful.
You can roll up the ponytail.
Yeah, you
can.
Look, there's another misspelling on it.
Whoever spells for CNF,
the graphic, can't spell
missing.
Yeah, it's Myzine after Texas floods.
Who works
overnights at CNN?
Do they not
have
a spell check thing in Iran?
God.
It's the chaplain for the United Cajun Navy.
I didn't even know that.
I didn't know that either.
Cajun Navy.
I think they need a leader.
Sean Duffy is available.
I understand.
He's not doing
anything else.
OK.
But we got a text in here from Doug.
You can text us on the Civic Media app, which of course is always free to download and free to use.
Doug texts in.
John and Gordy joined the Manisphere update.
Oh, yeah.
He's been trying to get us in the Manisphere.
Join the Manisphere
program that we have.
Yeah.
He says your live broadcast from the Harley-Davidson homecoming is tomorrow morning at 6 a.m.
Well, this is late notice
for
us.
You need to ride in on motorcycles.
You know, the motorcycles need to be Harley-Davidson's.
We
appreciate that just getting started on the what is it Thursday morning John and Gordy in the morning coming back back in a moment
That might be the best advice, yeah.
Right?
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We don't know
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We won't find out the results for, I don't know, a few weeks, a couple of months, they don't really tell you until they're done counting the votes.
We haven't heard back from the person on the inside.
We're waiting
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, we're writing their coattails, so I understand that we've been accused of writing the coattails.
Well, they've won Best of
Madison for their pizza at least a couple of years, maybe, maybe more.
Well, it's our way to, you know, to get back on the pizza bandwagon again, because, you know, we were heavily into pizzas one time.
So
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The pizza bandwagon is calling our name.
So now we're going to keep in that mode and we're going to be delivering pizzas.
It was always fun in the old days to do this.
Yeah.
And I think people, you know, are getting going back into the office places around downtown Madison and east side and west side.
You know, we want to join you with a bunch of pizzas and have a good time.
So enter the contest.
Well, I can't wait for that, you know.
Yeah.
It's gonna
be fun.
All right.
I accidentally ran across a video of how they make Teslas, you know, and it was, I don't know whether it was sponsored by Tesla or not, but it left a few things out as they were showing us the robotic assembly of Teslas.
And it's really almost all robotic, but they didn't.
have like a primer when they painted the cars.
They didn't seem to think about primer, they just started painting.
I'm thinking, wait a minute, don't you have a primer at all?
A primer, yeah.
Yeah, I don't, in Teslas, why wouldn't they, why wouldn't they do that?
Well, I
don't know, they must.
Unless they rust out quickly later on, I don't know, you know, I don't own a Tesla, my neighbor has two of them, white and the black ones.
I see them around quite a lot.
There's quite a few of them around Madison.
You're not in the market for an EV.
Yeah, you are.
I think tomorrow.
You're taking it to Tesla?
Tomorrow, I think I'm buying an EV.
A Tesla?
No.
Oh.
It's called, it's a Kia EV6 and it's very high tech and it's really, really loaded up.
It's actually the EV6.
Wind that's what they call it the wind and it's a it's a tech package I didn't know that but I was attracted to the fact that all of these tech items are included with it Including blind spots, which I love if you're making a right-hand turn camera comes on and shows you that area of The turn where you're going to go and it's you know shows the sidewalk It shows the crosswalk and everything and you can see whether anybody's there so you don't accidentally hit them You know if you're making a right turn right that happens a lot of
in this town.
Does it have a self-driving mode or no?
It almost does.
We were told how to do this.
And what you do is you have it on and you're driving along.
You have to accelerate though.
But you can stay in the lane.
It reads the lane.
So you don't have to hold the steering wheel when you're on the belt line or the freeway.
It just stays it.
So it's really great stuff.
I love this thing.
And I might just walk away with one on Friday.
So, uh, yeah.
Unfortunately, it's a red, it's a red one.
I wanted the black one.
Another red car?
I don't want a
red car.
You look like you belong to the fire department.
Come on.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I know.
I know.
We had our eye on a black one here in town, but it was overpriced at one of the dealers.
So I was going to show them the actual price of a car that's similar to it, exactly similar to it.
Right.
But I decided not to.
You know, the hell with them.
You know, if they don't want my business, that's fine.
The other reason I'm buying this, by the way, is because of the rebates.
The big rebates.
The rebates come to an end on September 30th.
So you get a $4,000 rebate for a EV that is under $25,000.
Wow.
So it's a used EV, $25,000 is a cutoff point.
If it's under that, then you can get the $4,000 rebate.
And then of course, if you're buying new, there's a $7,500 rebate.
But you got to get in on it by the end of September.
And that's the only reason they're getting it.
I want to save $4,000.
That's it.
Well, keep us posted.
And we'll have to take a picture of
it.
Drive it in.
I feel like our current cars, like the Flintstones cars, were pedaling our feet on the ground now, comparing it to this EV that I was in.
Pretty
cool.
Like in the future all of a sudden.
Wow.
29 past the hour, when we return, we'll talk to Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils on John and Gordy in the morning.
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Yeah, there's some joggers out there this morning.
They're having a good time.
We've got partly cloudy skies, 63 degrees, highs in the low 80s, maybe, maybe some light rain this afternoon or a pop-up thunderstorm.
And we have Bob reacting to our discussion about EVs, the
possibility
I'll have one on Friday.
He said, I bought a Chevy Equinox EV.
I love this car.
It's so great, you hit the accelerator and it just goes.
You're not waiting for the pistons to kick in and all
this
stuff we normally take for granted.
Thank you for that text, Bob,
from Akanaka, Mawak, or Akana
Mawak.
Oh yeah,
there it is, that's the correct way of saying it.
OK.
All right, you got something there, Gordy?
I
got a cough.
OK.
It's important to get that out.
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Well, okay, you know, so many things to get to, but your recent podcast is talking about AI again and teaching it in the classrooms.
And it was a fascinating discussion with you and Johnny, but something occurred to me when you're talking about AI and introducing it into the class and how to teach it and, you know, just where to go with it.
I was wondering if we couldn't
not regulated, but have an accredited AI source for education, right?
I mean, you have, you know, you have maybe credible people who put out good AI material, right?
A good AI bot.
But you have then Elon.
who is influencing his AI bot dramatically.
And
it almost
sounds like him at this point.
So you really, it brought to mind that maybe you can't trust some of the developers of AI equipment.
Well, come on.
I mean, that's what we do on busted pencils.
If you're using AI, it's the busted pencils accredited AI stuff.
There you go.
That's exactly it.
I mean, if we're talking about it, no.
Yeah, what do you go for?
What you're talking about is the sources.
Yeah, the source would be on.
You know, and like curriculum, right?
The idea, even of a teacher, you know, when they teach and there are materials to pull from, where are those materials coming from?
Have they come from an approved source?
And, you know, in one way, there have been some schools that have said, you know, let's just talk about regular curriculum.
said you know teachers you cannot use anything other than district approved curriculum sources so you know you can't go out to the internet and find sources you can't bring in your own reading materials or things like that because you know the only sources that are approved are from the district and so there's some sense of saying okay so then these must be
I guess legit sources and we can use them.
The problem though with that, John, and I'll point this out is that, you know, what you're doing in that sense is saying we don't trust teachers to make decisions about using and what types of content to bring into their classrooms because
I mean, those teachers, they'll bring in some kind of woke DEI indoctrination tool.
And then next thing you know, we'll have a bunch of second grade communists.
Exactly.
Or I think it's as
Elon called his note, it's Mecca Hitler.
That's what Grock said he was.
You know, I mean, Grock.
No, I mean, seriously, whether it's AI, whether it's bringing in, you know, a YouTube video with, you know, a clip from, you know, a famous historian addressing something dealing with the Lincoln assassination, you know, how do we determine what is quality?
I think what's happening with AI and what you're pointing out, though, is that it really has, there's a different level here.
because I could, if I'm a skilled AI user, I could use AI to create really incredibly looking documents, curriculum materials that appear to be accredited or even, you know, original source material with deep fakes and things like that, showing students possibly, you know,
Abraham Lincoln in a you know a new video appearance that had been lost for years And here's Abraham Lincoln speaking for the first time live or you know on on the internet and so yeah, I don't Okay, you got me purple
Flummoxed a little bit.
You know, I'm
just thinking that you know AI is trained in a certain specific way and if it's trained with only educational materials Then that would be a great source for schools, right?
I mean
if it but if it's something that's used a lot of different sources especially like movie sources that like, you know Would a Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter?
I believe it
was yeah,
so, you know, you don't want that part of Lincoln's history anymore
So, but if it's trained, if it's trained with only educational materials, then that may be a way to have it accredited or some kind of source that you can trust for your classrooms, right?
Well, I mean, you are seeing that occur right now.
I mean, a lot of the major curriculum companies are dabbling in AI.
And so in that sense, you know, there's a trust level that you're doing.
One of the biggest teacher and
student use tools, there's actually two right now.
It's Magic School Bus AI.
And teachers are using that quite frequently in students.
And the material there, you get some kind of a level of trust.
And the other one is from the Khan Academy, Khan Mego.
which is the Khan Academy's AI.
And so those are really, you know, what do you say, trusted sources of AI content, AI generated material, AI interfacing.
Because that's the thing with AI, though, too, right?
You're not just going to AI to find sources.
You can be using AI to create sources to, you know, so it's a combination of saying, okay, you know,
What are the best tools for creating content to teach kids?
And then where are we getting the best content?
And how do you know whether or not you should should trust that content?
So it's a it's a great question.
But I would also say before AI and me myself as a teacher, yes, I would use the district approved curriculum.
But then I would also find stuff to supplement and or enhance that curriculum on my own.
as a teacher who was certified by the state that I was working in and therefore qualified to make curriculum and material decisions.
And I think that's something we really want to continue to hold on to because that's the difference of what it means to be a professional is having that autonomy to make those types of decisions.
Right.
Aren't there two organizations that represent teachers?
Well, I was gonna say so they're breaking news.
I don't know if you're referring to this but actually AFT American Federation of Teachers.
It's not that anymore AFT Randy Weingarten big announcement this week and You know, it's something that we're hopefully gonna be covering on Busted Pencils in the future.
They are on board with approving AI when I say approve They're working
with AI to address what you're talking about, John.
The sense of saying, you know, is there an authority behind...
AI and AFT has gotten you know into that and you know we've had Randy Weingarten on the show before and so we're asking her to come on to actually talk about what does it mean for AFT to be doing some type of an endorsement of AI.
Well that's good that
they're on board.
I know that I think it's Bill Gates and American Teaching Federation I believe is at it.
They're getting together I believe.
Mmm.
Well, I mean built.
Built.
Bill Gates has been saving education for like 39 years now.
So, you know, he's it's he eventually one day will solve the education problem we know How
has he been saving it?
No, he has for the I mean he has for the longest time, you know, whether truly genuinely concerned about educational attainment or really
meddling from the sense of going, you know, I alone can fix this.
You know, whether it's been Microsoft enhanced materials and or doing a lot with the Gates Foundation money, putting out money in grants out there.
to steer American education in a certain direction and you know some of it has not been all that successful and a lot of people have said that a lot of this money has been really directed towards moving education in a way that very much resembles what
Bill Gates himself thinks is important as opposed to a public school system and a community and a democracy making those decisions.
So there's a, you know, there's a fear of a rich potential oligarch taking control of American education.
Yeah.
And that's what I was worried about.
I know that the other teaching organization was more on the conservative side, or at least, you know, it has been known to be more conservative.
And Bill Gates helping them out with AI, I thought was kind of an odd combination.
Well, not an odd combination, probably an assumed combination.
But
you've forgotten though, I mean, if it's a conservative organization, they deserve a leg up because that's the type of DEI we support.
Absolutely.
Yeah, so balanced approach to everything.
We've got
to get more
of that conservative thought in our schools because it's
just
not enough there.
And as we know, Linda McMahon is promoting A1Sauce.
A1Sauce first
for
everybody.
Introducing more conservative thought, which is...
DEI for them.
Hey, you can't ever get enough A1.
Steak sauce for everybody.
Okay, 648, we will continue.
At least replace this I buy meat.
Gonna need A1 sauce.
Back with more with Tim Slecker on John and Gordy in the morning.
Where it's at?
Right here.
WMDX, Johnny Gordy.
92.7 and on your Civic Media app as well, you can get us anywhere in the world, including up north.
Anywhere?
Yeah, just anywhere.
Anywhere.
When you think about it.
clouds are kind of thickening up here this morning over State Street and downtown Madison cloudy skies now and temperatures in the low to mid sixties will climb into the low eighties by this afternoon.
Maybe some spots rain.
possibly a couple of thunderstorms later.
All right, we're talking to Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils,
and
I do want to mention if you're watching this on YouTube or wherever you can watch it, Tim has pencils poked through his head.
Yes, it does look like that.
And what I think is, did you do that intentionally?
It's true.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah, it looks perfect.
That is really
perfect, man.
I don't know if you do that purpose.
Did you do that purpose?
No, but as you're saying that, I'm like, OK, let me move my head a little bit.
There you go.
Perfect.
Yeah, we need a screenshot of that.
OK.
All right.
Well, why don't we get to it?
We don't usually do this.
Let's promote your Saturday program.
It's a whole hour long.
And it sounds like a really interesting show this Saturday.
Yeah, it's a great show.
We have been, you know,
In touch with in fact is started with a CISA for Director Brittany waltz We had originally had her on the show for some unique things that CISA for But in Western, rural, Wisconsin was doing with AI She turned us on to in fact they have an a whole team up there and they're called liftoffs LI FTO FF
as liftoffs and that their websites liftoffs learning dot com and we talk to one of the founders of this program super intendent in the white holes uh... yet the white hole school district mike bigley about the work they're doing and
It's it is something I mean you gotta listen you gotta hear what's going on there because what they're doing is in truly groundbreaking something that needs to be highlighted actually, you know celebrated and because
they are in a rural district to me breaking through the or breaking out of the old restraints of schooling, which is this kind of Carnegie unit seat time, you know, you do 40 minutes of math, you do 50 minutes of this.
And, and they're saying, Hey, look, you know, as early as kindergarten, we're starting kids on a personalized learning journey.
They're using artificial intelligence as one of their tools.
And they're, they're
You know, God forbid, but they're letting the students work well or work a lot together and going at rates that work with the students themselves.
And he pointed out this great success story in eighth grade with eighth grade, the math curriculum.
the all of all every one of them all the 8th graders finished the 8th grade math curriculum Before the school year was over and then they decided hey guess what since we have all this at this extra time they they introduced Algebra early and you know what what's pointing out is is that saying you know what hey
This whole idea of 25 kids in front of you taking a curriculum and being paced at the rate of, you know, hey, we have to keep them for 45 minutes.
It's an artificial constraint.
And that's the word that Mike Bigley really uses, is that what we're doing with liftoffs and the partner schools up there working.
Taking away the constraints of schooling and empowering education and they're using AI as one of those tools to really kind of promote this personalized learning and What's awesome here is that this is in rural Wisconsin?
Typically where they try to tell schools hey you can do without you know do less or do more with less They're up there going you know what here's the deal.
We're gonna do more
With less truly and we're gonna blow the socks off of the rest of the world because our kids
are awesome, and we're going to give them an awesome opportunity.
So focusing on what's happening up there, just incredible.
I mean, if you listen to Mike Bigley talk to Johnny and me on Saturday, you can understand why such amazing things are going.
And what kind of connects this is that Ashley Furniture, local Wisconsin company, they're fully involved in supporting Mike Bigley and Liftoff's team.
We really like about this.
This is a Wisconsin story.
We're all Wisconsin.
And, you know, the things they're doing really should be in, I'm sorry, a national media spotlight.
And if anybody doesn't go, boy, that sounds like, remember the two hour AI school that we had talked about?
Yeah, right, right, right.
Okay.
They're doing that.
in that sense, they're saying you can do more, but they're not charging $40,000 a year per student.
To do, they're showing that in a public school, in rural public schools, when you take away the constraints of old thought processes, things about kids and how they learn and what they're supposed to do,
You, too, can actually do a lot more with kids, keep them fully engaged, empower them, and all in a public school setting as opposed to a really unique private school setting.
You can tell I think it was an awesome...
Yeah.
Well, we'll definitely have to check that out.
And, you know, I just read where all these new devices that are coming out, the phones, web browsers are all coming out now with AI.
So the browsers are going to contain AI and it's good to train children on AI so they know what to expect.
Yeah.
That's it.
All right, Tim.
Dr. Tim Slucker, thanks for joining us.
You can listen to Busted Pencils with new podcasts on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and Saturday on the Civic Media Radio.
work.
Tim's holding the pencils in his hand.
Back with more of John and Gordy in just a couple of minutes.
These are the times that try men souls
In the course of our nation's history, the people have rallied bravely whenever the rights of men have been threatened.
Today, a new crisis has arisen.
Citizens, hear me out.
This could happen to you.
People think I'm controversial.
But the truth is, I'm a nice guy.
And we're going to have a lot of fun tonight.
I'm
upset.
Outraged and angered.
Everything you said was all a lie.
What I say is what I say.
Okay, I want a damn concerted effort.
This is a god last damn time.
I want somebody to use his brain.
This is a job for John Peterson and party young.
You're from the 60s.
I will tell you this is going to be something special.
Show about nothing.
I don't
have any answers for you.
I don't give interviews.
I just want to be left alone.
Ponderous.
Ponderous.
It
could be, it could be that way.
It's always Ponderous.
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They're
looking
out over State Street here in the capital city and it's amazing, you know, we just went through the whole budget negotiation process.
Right up the street.
And now one of those damn legislators walked down State Street into our offices to say, hey, I've got something for you.
An exclusive, John and Gordy.
Nope,
they didn't
happen.
They avoided us.
Seven minutes past the hour, we have partly sunny skies this morning and temperatures in the low to mid sixties during the early going.
We'll get into the low 80s.
later on today, and maybe a shower or two this afternoon, possibly a thunderstorm.
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All right, I found this little headline and yeah a lot of it was interesting listen to this is the the ancient Egyptian calendar Consisted of 12 months each with 30 days
not 31 every once in a while, followed by, and this is the best part, it's followed by five additional days for festivities.
Wait a minute, this is the original?
What?
This was the original Egyptian calendar, so I think they had...
The right idea, right?
That was a good idea.
Yeah, 30 days each month, 12 months, and then five damn days of festivities.
No work, no nothing.
And they don't count because they're not on the calendar.
So cool.
That was so smart.
Man, man, they built the pyramids and they came up with that.
That's just like,
wow.
For
some reason, we ignored that story.
They didn't have
press like they do now.
They should
have had it in their back then.
Hey, did you know that there
Amazon Prime days are going on right now.
You knew
nothing about
this.
Oh, yeah.
This is like
day three
of Amazon Prime.
Oh, I'm
dedicated to the
Prime days.
Yesterday,
I'm sitting at home just, you know, minding my own business, you know, dozing off in mid-afternoon,
like I
often do.
Always
do.
The TV is blaring away.
And knock on the door and there's, they delivered an Amazon package.
I didn't order it.
It had my address on it and somebody else's
name on
it.
And it was a standing desk, it was a huge package.
53-pound thing.
You know, of course, the guy runs away and jumps in the truck there.
What are you going to do?
Well, I called Amazon.
I called him twice.
And then I flagged down.
You know, there's Amazon trucks all over the place now.
You go out there for five or 10 minutes, you can flag one down.
That's what I did.
I said, look what happened here.
And I called.
And Amazon said, they don't know what's going on.
And he said, just keep it.
I said, I really just keep, you can't take it and do something with it?
He said, just keep it.
And it's here.
And I thought, well, that's stupid.
I'm not going to do that.
So then a little later on, another package arrives from UPS.
Same thing.
A big box with somebody else's name, but my address
on it.
And so I refused that package because the UPS guy, you
can refuse a package.
I said,
that's not me.
I didn't order anything.
And so late in the evening, about 6.30, 7 o'clock, there's a knock at the door, and this young lady says, you know, I used to live here.
a few years ago, and I'm moving, and I ordered a whole bunch of stuff.
Oh,
no!
And you're going to be receiving these packages.
Yeah.
Now she can go to UPS.
So I got her phone
number.
That's
great.
And I said, well, listen, if there's a small package, I'm just going to leave them in the breezeway there.
But you have the package from Amazon yet, right?
No, she took that too.
Oh, she
did.
She ordered that.
Yeah.
So I was like, OK.
You'll get that back.
So you're going to come home today and there's going to be like 20 packages right outside the door.
That's what I
fear.
Yeah.
But at least I have her phone number down.
She lives somewhere in Madison.
I had that happen to me.
Isn't that weird?
I got a little package.
She was there.
It was a different name but my address.
And it sat on the countertop for about a week.
And then I managed to flag down the Amazon driver that came up to our house.
And I said, I don't.
want this package, it's not me.
And he took it.
and then the next day I got it back.
Did you keep it
then?
Well, I did.
I opened the damn thing and it was, I couldn't believe it, but somebody ordered oregano, dried oregano, spice in a spice jar.
That was it.
He actually ordered it online.
You can go anywhere and get oregano, but whatever.
Anyway, they don't know what to do with it.
That's a problem with Amazon.
Well, anyway, they're celebrating their prime
days.
Good for you.
All
kinds of day, all kinds of free stuff, apparently, for people during prime days that you didn't order.
It's
good.
Hey, big John and Gordy, congratulations to Sean Duffy for becoming the interim NASA director.
This is so weird.
He's got another department to manage because they're easy.
Well, I guess he
probably made model rockets when he was a kid or something, you know.
He
looks
on their list.
He
likes
to
logroll.
He
doesn't
know anything about rockets.
Well, what do you need to know?
You know, what do you really need to know as the administrator?
You
don't know how to
administrate.
Maybe he can logroll on a missile in a water pool someplace.
You never know.
But anyway, congratulations to Sean for taking over NASA.
By the way, his statement, his statement is, let's launch.
He worked on that all night long.
I want that on my hat.
Yeah.
Let's launch.
All right.
Well, while we're not on some serious subjects here, you know, some downer, why don't we go to the Daily Show and they had a little routine here about the Epstein list that no one seems to know about anymore.
So let's let's check this
out.
I spoke to top Justice Department officials and trust me when I say that there's no story here.
Jeffrey Epstein did not have a client list.
He did not get murdered in prison.
He actually never even existed.
I'll be at the Dave and Buster's down the street.
See you later, Ronnie.
Thanks.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I call this the hold on.
Can you elaborate?
I'd be happy to elaborate.
I own the high score on Buck Hunter.
And that's a game at David Buster's, which is an adult arcade that I go to after work every day.
No, no, no, not that.
I mean, they can't just say Jeffrey Epstein didn't exist.
We all saw photos of him.
We think we did.
But it was just one of those collective false memories.
It's like how many Americans believe there was a movie starring Shaquille O'Neal called Shazam.
But guess what?
There never was
a Shaquille O'Neal.
And
there's no Jeffrey Epstein.
See you at Busters.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Then who's client list that Pam Bondi had on her desk?
That was all a misunderstanding.
It looked like a client list.
But you know what it was?
It was actually just a list of an old Buzzfeed list of the top 10 Pokemon, most likely to help you jumpstart your car.
You want to talk scandal?
They only have Squirtle at number seven.
What is that?
Michael, how can you believe all this?
Ronnie.
Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you really think there's a cabal of millionaires out there who have the power to kill Jeffrey Epstein in prison and force the President of the United States to cover it up?
Well, when you say it out loud like that, yeah, I do.
And I do too, all right?
And I want that cabal to know that I'm just a guy with a high-scoring buck hunter who's happy with whatever explanation they want me to believe.
I'm good.
I'm good.
So that's it then?
We're just going to move on.
There's so many other juicy scandals out there.
Have you seen this newly released Diddy client list?
Let's check out the names on it.
Holy.
You know what?
Turns out this list actually never existed.
It must be on it
then, I
guess.
That's basically what they're trying to tell us.
Yeah, never existed.
Yeah, never existed.
Didn't really happen.
Well, adding more humor to the Wisconsin scene in politics, businessman and another Navy SEAL has thrown his hand into the race, running for governor this time, and it's Bill Barriand.
Bill Barrier, he's got his own business, Navy SEAL boy, you know those Navy SEALs, this is the next job for most of them, is politics for some reason.
Let's listen to cut 45 here.
President
Trump is taking back Washington for the American people.
Now it's time to take back our state.
The Democratic Party of Wisconsin said Barion is, quote, rich enough to buy himself some attention and clueless enough to think that's going to work.
That's WPR.
They covered this story, of course, you know.
He wants to take back Wisconsin?
Yeah, take it back.
Maybe he's not aware that we had gerrymandered legislature in power for the last 14 years.
So I don't know.
Taking it back.
Okay.
Yeah.
Take it back.
I don't know.
Where?
What?
Yeah.
Well, how do
you take it back from that?
And by the way, he has other incredible positions here.
These are quotes.
Okay.
What he's been doing with tariffs, with securing the border, a whole bunch of these efforts are changing the mix.
And they are very positive for the country.
Yeah.
They're changing the mix.
What does that mean?
What?
ethnically That's that's my impression of what he just said
with the
border all these
efforts
are changing the mix Sounds like he's just talking to talk.
Yeah, it could be maybe he's also supported Trump's decisions to call up the California National Guard over the objection of the state's Democratic governor, so like if he's gonna be governor
Well, maybe the president can come in here and pull up the National Guard without his permission.
I don't think he's thinking any of this through.
This guy, another crazy lunatic running for governor, and we haven't heard yet whether Governor Evers is going to run again.
Yeah, I thought he was going to make that announcement right after the
budget deal was done.
Keeping us in suspense.
Now,
the whole thing here is they always have on the market.
poll and Dan Shaver's been covering that.
But here's the thing, there's a wrinkle in that.
There are so many Democrats who support Evers running again that it actually throws it into Governor Evers' favor.
Okay, because there are a whole bunch of Republicans that don't want them to run again like 97% of Republicans don't want them to run well because they're worried
and of
course there's like 90% of the Democrats want to see him run again And then the independence you throw them in and that puts them over the top and according to the market University poll apparently Governor Evers at this point according to this current poll is ahead of Scott Walker
at his midpoint where he ran again and won despite the fact that he completely failed at running for president.
It was a disaster and yet he still won re-election.
So does Tony Evers really want to run though?
That's number one on my list and who would he be running against?
We have no idea, right?
Do we
have any idea?
No, we don't.
I don't think there's going to be a challenger for Governor Evers.
Oh, really?
Really?
But
there might be.
Not
at all.
There's quite, you know, quite a lot of people
I could
run, but we'll, we'll keep you updated on it.
Okay.
Coming back
with more of John and Gordy in the morning after this.
It's good news week Someone's dropped a bomb somewhere Contaminating atmosphere and blackening the sky It's good news week Doctors finding many ways of wrapping brains And metal trays to keep us from the heat
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Clear.
I
was
questioning for a second there.
Raising their eyebrows.
Doesn't work like that.
I did not think of that, but okay, maybe it came across like...
We're only here for two hours.
6 to 8 a.m., then we don't talk to each other for the other 22 hours or see each other.
Or have any contact with
each
other.
Just to be
clear.
We run into each
other
at Walmart parking lots.
Actually, yes, Walmart.
Oh, hey, it's weather time.
It is weather time.
Let's move
quickly along here to Brittany Merlot.
Good morning, Brittany.
How are things in Wausau?
It's
such a good conversation.
Just wanted to be really clear.
Right, right.
Oh, things are cloudy up here.
You got a little bit of sun though,
right?
Yes, we do.
It's really nice and sunny up here today.
Yes, it's beautiful.
Good, good, good.
So we've got a warm front on the way in case you were wondering.
I was wondering, yes.
We're moving pretty
slowly though through the state, which could create a little bit of problems because, well first, it could maybe some rain showers this afternoon.
But then by this evening, good chance for some thunderstorms sparking up along that front, barely moving, which means we could see some heavy rainfall in places.
It
could happen pretty fast.
So that's possibly tonight.
We don't stop this risk tomorrow either because now we're in that hot, warm air mass with all the moisture and instability.
So chances for more showers and storms throughout tomorrow.
And then by Saturday morning and into the afternoon, a cold front sweeps through and sparks up even more showers and storms.
So we've got
a
wet next few days.
If you didn't cut the grass today or yesterday, you're going to have to wait until Sunday.
Day before yesterday.
So I'm good.
How about you, John?
Yeah, we cut it
yesterday.
Yeah, it looks great.
Perfect.
Okay, you guys are on track.
Well, that's you.
Thank you for that advice.
Certainly, we're wondering, your t-shirt this morning, people who are watching on Facebook or YouTube or wherever they're watching, they're saying, what is that on your shirt?
What is it?
It's a pretty cool shirt.
So it's basically newspaper clippings, in a sense, kind of patched all together.
Obviously, this is a creative, cool shirt for
someone
in news to
wear, but it's the trend too, right?
It makes perfect sense.
Is it local news or is it just national?
Are they real articles or do you?
Well, we'll just pretend they're local real art now.
OK, yeah.
OK.
All right.
Well, that's great.
And now I'm thinking about getting one myself.
Yeah.
Boy, you are a trendsetter.
You are.
Oh, thanks.
Someday
we'll have to zip line together.
Again, what you do on your own time is your
business.
Britney, thank you
zip lines in Monaco.
We should go.
Yes.
See we show zip lines in Monaco.
You make the whole
social media real.
Put it on social media as everybody can watch it.
I think that's a wonderful idea.
I think that would work.
Yes.
All right, Britney.
Thank you.
All right, Brandy.
Great.
Okay.
You too.
It's Britney Merlowe our civic media mirologist.
Okay.
A couple of minutes here.
I've got to see if I can get something here.
Kind of shorten all that stuff.
I want you to queue up.
Cut 33 if you can.
I just recently found some glass frames that I really like you know finally the arms are a little bit longer for me which you know helps them stay on my head but anyway I found these things but you know I'm hesitant only because there are new glasses out there that are really helping people out let's listen to this this is the Google XR
I just tested out glasses
that look like regular glass frames that have run on Android XR.
And I am one of
the
biggest skeptics when it comes to stuff.
And I would genuinely admit I was blown away.
This is
amazing.
I never tried glasses like this before.
I am genuinely blown away.
Even from the beginning, the first thing I saw was the time and the weather.
And it was just on the right side of my glasses.
I could see it.
I could see clearly through my glasses.
Then I was able to take a photo with the glasses and see a little thumbnail pop up.
But I could see through the picture.
to the real world.
I'm having trouble explaining because I was genuinely just blown away by this.
There's also Gemini on the glasses so then I'm able to
look
at the things around me.
There were a couple like reproductions of paintings on the wall and I had Gemini talk me through what that reproduction was and how much the original actual painting is worth.
And one of the coolest things is I got to pull up Google map directions on my glasses and all of a sudden I felt like a video game character and I have a circular view of Google Maps and as I move around it's moving around with me and
Weird
yeah, I'm blown away.
Yeah, when do this all this stuff come out?
We don't know this is all new stuff next time I get glasses if they ask me if I want blue coating for my lenses I'll probably say yes if they ask me if I want to put Gemini in my glasses
Yes,
probably gonna say yes.
Yeah.
Wow
That's
cool.
Yeah, that is really cool.
I want it here on the program.
So, you know, when we're talking about stuff, all I have to do is I wonder what this would just pop up here on my glasses and I'll know exactly.
I'd be the genius in the room.
Well, I don't know.
It's going to help you that much.
We were talking about EVs earlier, and I just want to bring this up.
But we had a text here.
Hey, John, get an additional $1,000 off from Costco.
My plays, I live there on certain EV models, which I got on the Equinox EV.
So I should have checked
that out.
All
right.
It is 7.29 coming up right around the corner.
Attorney Jim Santel will give us some legal updates on what's going on on the Supreme Court.
Elsewhere want to thank Bob from a kind of walk for that tip on costume Bob coming right back with more of John and Gordy
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Looking good right outside our window, overlooking State Street, beautiful sunshine, a little hazy or a little bit of cloud cover.
We might get some rain later today in highs in the low 80s.
The sidewalk
buffer just went by.
They
did.
So yeah, the sidewalks are nice
and shiny and
slippery, by the way.
Just
look out for that.
Don't want it to rain anytime soon at this point.
No, no, no.
Hey, you could win.
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In fact, you could sit with us at a game.
The game we're talking about is a Cubs Brewers game on Tuesday, July 29th.
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All
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Well, let's get to our special guest this
morning, as
usual,
Jim
Santel, amicus, a law review.
You can listen to it on Saturday morning, nine to 11 o'clock.
He's got a lot of stuff to talk about and we're going to talk about some of that stuff right now.
And that is that the federal Supreme Court has said that Trump can do anything he wants.
He can overrule the legislative branch, no matter what.
You know, he can get rid of departments and fire people.
Jim, tell me, this isn't our biggest nightmare.
Tell me.
Depending upon how our own individual lives may play out, it may well be our own, our most significant administrative and constitutional nightmare as well.
You got it just right.
We've got this whole series.
of opinions, almost too numerous to inventory.
For example, you've got the Supreme Court, again, all these things, by the way, here's the other point.
All of these being issued on this show called Shadow Docket without an explanation.
We talked about this previously.
We've got the Musk team access to all your social security administration.
Remember ending that humanitarian program that kept about a half a million immigrants from being deported.
We're facing war and political turmoil back in their own countries and removing the leaders of some two independent agencies, all of that.
And now we've got this.
Tuesday was a big day.
At Tuesday, the Supreme Court once again shadowed docket, no explanation other than the fact that the majority, it's an interesting majority, says that the government is likely to succeed in its argument that the president's executive powers are in fact there and he's got the right to downsize the government, all that's legal.
But we don't get any more description.
We don't get an explanation for that.
And basically it is a green light for him to go ahead and do all that.
You may recall that again, he did this a number of months ago when he basically said all agencies get up and running, prepare to downsize dramatically.
Here the Supreme Court has now said, sure, you can go ahead and do that.
And again, the big issue here for purposes of those of us who like transparency and I know all your listeners do as well.
We don't have an explanation for it.
We do have one dissenter, and her name is Katanji Brown Jackson, and she says it's truly unfortunate.
It's hubris, it's senseless, and it undercuts the authority of trial judges.
But this is a nine to one non-decision.
Interestingly, the other two others, so-called liberals, are playing with the majority here.
And who knows, my first reaction was, maybe they're just exhausted with the fight.
At some point, this does become just overwhelming.
I think so.
I have a quote from Jackson here.
It is warned that such an executive action promises mass employee terminations, widespread cancellation of federal programs and services, and the dismantling
of much of the federal government as Congress has created it.
So that's the end of the government.
As I said, congressional action, they put in place things like, oh, I don't know, the Department of Education and the President Issues Directives to his secretary basically to shut it down.
All these other agencies, USCID,
the names again are too numerous even to list here and this is a very broad non-decision saying go ahead and do what you want and it should be a source of great concern especially since as we were talking in the break we kind of thought we were done with all of this a couple of weeks ago at the end of the significant portion of their term
Apparently, they're more than happy to come in and do even more of it.
So we'll see what their summer brings as well.
Well, yeah, we got a text here from Kerry mentioned that Congress has no power and is not an equal branch of government anymore, essentially.
And
not only that, but I
just also want to warn you too, because the guy in control of all the purse strings on this is the guy who came up with Project 2025, it's Russell
vote, he's in charge of Office of Personnel Management, so OPM.
And he's gonna obviously take advantage of this.
This is what they've been trying to do for so many years, and that's why they've put so many of these cases or these ideas in front of the Supreme Court, because they know they've got a very welcoming bunch of justices to play into this.
And this has been their ideology for years, by the way, so it's
nothing new.
Absolutely.
Again, depending upon your particular perspective, at a minimum, and it's not entirely bad.
I think we know that Bill Clinton attempted and did do some things to reduce government.
This has been the mantra of Democrats and Republicans.
We have to have a smaller government.
doing it this way, however, in violation of, as you said, basic constitutional and statutory and congressional mandates.
That's not the way to do it.
Katangi Brown Jackson is onto something.
OPM, absolutely.
I work for the government.
OPM was the big agency out there having to do everything related to personnel, hiring, firing, promotions.
They have to not pass on all that, but they're the ones who administratively handle all that.
And the fellow who's in charge of that now, I'm sure is delighted by this decision on Tuesday and saying, here we go.
Let's begin now.
Let's begin now, as if we haven't done this in the past, really, to go after all these agencies.
Well, I can't believe that Kagan and who's
the other one?
Sort of my arm went along with this.
What's the deal with
that?
I just
don't
get that at all.
Then that underscores too.
We don't know that answer either.
Why?
Because they're hiding under this simple one-sentence statement that he's likely to win on the merits.
when this case gets litigated further, which is another part of the dock and another part of the problem.
And we don't know that either.
We've got Katanji Brown Jackson explaining her position.
Typically in these cases, the others I mentioned, the other two do weigh in or at least join each other's opinions and say, no, I agree with her.
But here, again, it is curious.
And the other reason it's so curious is because this one's very, very broad.
This is not just specific to an agency or a particular program, which is equally problematic as those things happen.
This one is basically, again, OPM.
John, as you just said, take your pick and go ahead and find federal employees and decide to chop away.
it is not specific, and it's part of Cadence Brown Jackson's objection, it's not specific as to agency, mission, and purpose, and absent that, how are courts to decide this?
But we've got two of the others here.
Well, actually, we've got, we've got eight of the others who look at that and say, no problem, go ahead, Mr. President, do what you would like.
You know, one of the things that we're looking at here is kind of a war on the Supreme Court bench.
which I didn't anticipate.
We mentioned this on the program a few days ago, and it wasn't just this case, but other cases as well, where the actual three liberals are starting to step out there and say things publicly that they really disagree with.
And I think we didn't anticipate the Supreme Court having this dispute within.
the court itself.
And with that, I think, you know, we're going to get some interesting stories and we're going to get some interesting perspectives on all of these decisions.
I think they're going to be in the forefront, basically, is what I'm saying.
Absolutely.
And they're going to grab headlines, right?
Yeah.
And again, there have always been times when the minority, whatever that is, has taken
Um, um, bridge and, and, and objected to what the majority has said, you're absolutely right.
Most notably, we've got this sparring between Katanji Brown Jackson and Amy Coney Barrett in this case, the most significant of the, of the term, I believe, having to do once again with, uh, not just, uh, birthright citizenship, but national, uh, universal injunctions and they go after each other back and forth.
And Amy Coney Barrett names Katanji Brown Jackson.
by name in her majority opinion, which is very seldom happens.
We've always had disagreements, that's okay.
Now we're dropping the I respectfully dissent to simply say things like I dissent or with great sadness, with profound concern about the democracy, the republic, I vehemently dissent.
And so the vitriol is increasing.
Maybe we do need a bit of summer to bring that down a bit.
Take a break.
Sometimes often they're not going to take a break.
They're still going to rule on these immediate cases on the shadow docket anyway.
But there's even talk on the right now to get rid of Katanji Brown Jackson because she is stepping out too often for them.
She's speaking out
too often, which I think has tinges of racial.
animus overtones right
and you know she is she is the also one of the four women right on the course yes they've also not gone without their criticism even before this happened we know and again an awful lot of people look at that decision
authored by Amy Coney Barrett that does in fact prohibit national jurisdictions and injunctions rather and say, gosh, maybe this was her attempt to make good again with that part of the electorate that was critical of her for sometimes siding with the liberals.
Now she's back in our camp.
you know, this politics, the politicization of the court, not a good thing, not a good thing at the federal level, not a good thing at the state level either.
And the sparring continues and the the language is heightened undeniably.
And is that helpful?
I'm thinking probably not.
Talking with Jim Santel, attorney at law and Jim, what about let's turn to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
They're siding with Tony Evers and confirming administrative rule authority in the dispute of.
over LGBTQ conversion therapy ban.
Talk about this.
Tell us more about it.
There's some kind of committee that's taking control over the governor, essentially.
Right, exactly.
And again, this is one of those, it's sort of like the national injunction issue too.
On the surface, it seems to be about
uh, uh, banning conversion therapy, which is the governor wanted to do.
We want to do that by, by rule of an administrative agency, right?
That's the rule making authority that we were talking about before.
And again, uh, has shades of previous, uh, legal concepts out there.
And what happens is that the legislature's joint committee for review of administrative rules blocked that ban from taking effect.
and use the political maneuver of legislative authority to keep that rule shelved.
That is banning the conversion therapy that otherwise would be a part of the executive branch's decision-making.
Supreme Court, again, comes out, and a majority opinion written by Jill Karofsky says that this process whereby the legislature has basically usurped the right of the governor cannot stand a couple of reasons for that.
And we've got an important constitutional decision once again.
We'll be back
before
Jim.
Stay with us.
Jim Santel will continue the conversation with John and Gordy in just a moment.
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that so you know Sean Duffy he's right out there man of many talents yeah another big case kind of a big case unusual the Supreme Court yesterday upheld a lower courts injunction preventing Florida
from enforcing a law that criminalizes undocumented immigrants for entering their state.
That's, I think, kind of a big decision because it seems to contradict a little bit the power that the six conservative justices are giving to the administration.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And again, the reason why this is significant, again, is just that.
You get it here for reasons, again, that we don't know about.
The Supreme Court says we're not going to touch this particular matter.
And a lot of it has to do, I'm sure, with voting internally.
The reason why, obviously, is immigration.
It's obviously states engaging in issues that are typically within the ambit of the federal government.
Immigration, we tend to forget.
In the Constitution, this is James Madison stuff, Supreme Court saying,
We're going to keep our hands off of this.
And also sending a message that again, there are more than a few states have done just this.
And so this has a dramatic impact beyond just the Supreme Court here saying we're not going to take up this state's action.
Everybody else has got to take a look at this too and think, huh.
I wonder if we are also running a fowl out of some basic principles here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, it's their issue.
The immigration issue is the Republican issue, the mega issue.
And when you take a little piece away, you know, it might anger some of the magas out there and maybe even Trump at this point, although Trump is not really on board with a lot of things only because he doesn't know about them.
You know,
just amazing,
isn't
it?
It is.
It involves, and frankly, all of us have difficulty from time to time keeping all of this straight and what the theory is here.
It's applied differently in this case.
There doesn't seem to be with due respect to justices out there.
a great deal of consistency.
You can find not a lot of through lines in some of these cases, but even so, for those who can, in fact, follow the basics on this, some fundamental principles.
We talked about one of them before the break, which is Congress makes the laws.
The executive branch is supposed to do what?
Execute on them, right?
And not to be the sick.
And this is the big one, undeniably.
We've seen this for the past five, almost six months now.
A president who is so proud to put his name on those executive orders, that's legislating.
And that's not what the founding fathers, to the extent that you are committed to the founding fathers and fundamental principles.
That's not the way it's supposed to work.
And typically presidents have done that when they've been frustrated in immigration areas when the Congress doesn't act here.
We're not even letting the Congress act.
Not that they would anyway, but they're too busy apparently shutting down Medicaid and other things like that.
But the issue, the larger issue of separation of powers.
who does what, and then you get to the larger issue, which we've talked about as well, which is we've got a Supreme Court, all these issues we've talked about in the areas this morning, other places.
You have to ask yourself, why is it that the Supreme Court is deciding on all of these things?
Shouldn't that be the legislature?
We elect those folks to make these policy decisions.
And it's because the other branch, one of them is overreaching.
The other one is not acting at all.
And in that chasm, in that emptiness, Supreme Court steps in and says, OK, we'll decide on environment and education and commerce and labor and all these other things.
That's not the way it's supposed to be.
We've gotten used to it now.
But it's not the way it's supposed to be under any administration.
This is not being critical of just Donald Trump.
This is not the way it's supposed
to be.
You absolutely nailed it on that.
And it's become normalized as well.
But the House, the Senate, they have just given up.
Seated their power to the president and this is gonna come back to haunt him as soon as there's a Democratic president and power Yeah, all of this is gonna come back and you know one of the things I heard that Stephanie Miller the other day And I thought this was kind of interesting you know talking about the wildfires in California, right?
And he wants to calm those for she wants to calm them
But, you know, these are federal forests.
And that would take federal dollars, not state dollars in California.
So, yeah, there's all these contradictions.
And it all goes on.
Jim Santel, thank you for joining us.
Always appreciated.
Always
delighted.
And you can listen to Jim Santel's show, Amicus, a law review every Saturday on the Civic Media Radio Network from 9 to 11 a.m.
All right, we'll talk to him next Thursday.
That's it for us today coming up tomorrow rocker in the studio with a maxing preview also Savannah Tomate Olson and a whole lot more join us tomorrow
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