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That was a lot of fun.
Boy, you know, the thing is, you know, we were tied in with radio stations and TV stations.
Yeah.
And at the time we had a chance on cable access to invite everybody in from the media, any radio station, any TV show.
Yeah.
All the
and
He slowed down a little bit.
In fact, we have a cut, I think, a little bit later on where he was asked, well, how did you come up with that decision?
And always the worst possible answer you could ever get to.
Oh, you know, here's the thing, you know, and I'm going to mention this later during that story, but just for those listening early and don't get to listen in
She's finally gotten comfortable.
And, you know, she was press secretary for Biden, right?
No, Obama.
Okay, I think.
I don't know, I can't remember.
I thought you were really old now.
It doesn't matter.
Maybe it was by initially.
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And they're disproportionately located in areas where white affluent people get these dual enrollment programs, but the poor areas don't get them.
And I pointed out that this is a great example of why banning DEI is a bad idea because now we can't
spread this out to lower income areas where they actually have dual enrollment as well.
They don't have as many of those programs.
So now they can't improve on it.
They can't actually make it happen because it would be helping minority people
It's not a problem.
So anyway, we're going to ask Tim about that and also Tim and Johnny are talking.
a lot about AI.
And that is one big issue, and we'll be getting to that.
I have an idea on AI, by the way, so now I'm going to present it to Tim and see what he has to say about it.
All right, now let's get to the big program.
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I would like a ponytail down to my ankles.
I want to be tangled.
I feel like that'd be really cool.
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We won't find out the results for, I don't know, a few weeks, a couple of months, they don't really tell you until they're done counting the votes.
We haven't heard back from the person on the inside.
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We got somebody over there we know, right?
Alright, I accidentally ran across a video of how they make Teslas, you know, and it was I don't know whether it was sponsored by Tesla or not, but it left a few things out as they were showing us the robotic assembly of Teslas and it's really almost all robotic, but they didn't
have like a primer when they painted the cars.
They didn't seem to think about primer, they just started painting.
I'm thinking, wait a minute, don't you have a primer at all?
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It's actually the EV6.
Wind that's what they call it the wind and it's a it's a tech package I didn't know that but I was attracted to the fact that all of these tech items are included with it Including blind spots, which I love if you're making a right-hand turn camera comes on and shows you that area of The turn where you're going to go and it's you know shows the sidewalk It shows the crosswalk and everything and you can see whether anybody's there so you don't accidentally hit them You know if you're making a right turn right that happens a lot of
in this town.
It almost does.
We were told how to do this.
And what you do is you have it on and you're driving along.
You have to accelerate though.
But you can stay in the lane.
It reads the lane.
So you don't have to hold the steering wheel when you're on the belt line or the freeway.
It just stays it.
Yeah.
So
Yeah.
But I know.
I know.
We had our eye on a black one here in town, but it was overpriced at one of the dealers.
So I was going to show them the actual price of a car that's similar to it, exactly similar to it.
Right.
But I decided not to.
You know, the hell with them.
You know, if they don't want my business, that's fine.
The other reason I'm buying this, by
The rebates come to an end on September 30th.
So you get a $4,000 rebate for a EV that is under $25,000.
Wow.
So it's a used EV, $25,000 is a cutoff point.
If it's under that, then you can get the $4,000 rebate.
And then of course, if you're buying new, there's a $7,500 rebate.
But you got to get in on it by the end
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So many things to get to, but your recent podcast is talking about AI again and teaching it in the classrooms.
And it was a fascinating discussion with you and Johnny.
But something occurred to me when you're talking about AI and introducing it into the class and how to teach it and just where to go with it.
I was wondering if we couldn't
regulated but have a an accredited AI source for education right I mean you have you know you have maybe credible people who put out good AI material right a good AI bot but you have been Elon
who is influencing his AI bot dramatically.
And it almost sounds like him at this point.
So you really, it brought to mind that maybe you can't trust some of the developers of AI equipment.
Well, come on.
I mean, that's what we do on busted pencils.
If you're using AI, it's the busted pencils accredited AI stuff.
There you go.
That's exactly it.
I mean, if we're talking about it, no.
Yeah, what do you go for?
What you're talking about is the sources, you know, and like curriculum, right?
The idea, even of a teacher, you know, when they teach and there are materials to pull from, where are those materials coming from?
Have they come from an approved source?
And, you know, in one way, there have been some schools that have said, let's just talk about regular curriculum.
said you know teachers you cannot use anything other than district approved curriculum sources so you know you can't go out
internet and find sources you can't bring in your own reading materials or things like that because you know the only sources that are approved are from the district and so there's some sense of saying okay so then these must be
I guess legit sources and we can use them.
The problem, though, with that, John, and I'll point this out, is that, you know, what you're doing in that sense is saying we don't trust teachers to make decisions about using and what types of content to bring into their classrooms, because, you know, I mean, those teachers, though,
They'll bring in some kind of woke DEI indoctrination tool.
And then next thing you know, we'll have a bunch of second grade communists.
Exactly.
Or I think
as
You know, I mean, grok.
No, I mean, seriously, whether it's AI, whether it's bringing in, you know, a YouTube video with, you know, a clip from, you know, a famous historian addressing something dealing with the Lincoln assassination, you know, how do we determine what is quality?
I think what's happening with AI and what you're pointing out, though, is that it really has, there's a different level here.
because I could, if I'm a skilled AI user, I could use AI to create really incredibly looking documents, curriculum materials that appear to be accredited or even, you know, original source material with deep fakes and things like that, showing students possibly, you know,
Abraham Lincoln in a, you know, a new video appearance that had been lost for years.
And here's Abraham Lincoln speaking for the first time live or, you know, on, on the internet.
And so, yeah, I don't, okay, you got me purple.
flummoxed a little bit on this one.
You know,
I'm just thinking that, you know, AI is trained in a certain specific way, and if it's trained with only educational materials, then that would be a great source for schools, right?
But if it's something that's used a lot of different sources, especially like movie sources, like, you know, would an Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter, I believe it
Well, I mean, you are seeing that occur right now.
I mean, a lot of the major curriculum companies are dabbling in AI.
And so in that sense, you know, there's a trust level that you're doing.
One of the biggest teacher and
student use tools, there's actually two right now.
It's Magic School Bus AI.
And that teachers are using that quite frequently in students.
And the material there, you get some kind of a level of trust.
And the other one is from the Khan Academy, ConMigo.
which is the Khan Academy's AI.
And so those are really, you know, where you say trusted sources of AI content, AI generated material, AI interfacing, because that's the thing with AI though, too, right?
You're not just going to AI to find sources.
You can be using AI to create sources to, you know, so it's a combination of saying, okay, you know,
what are the best tools for creating content to teach kids?
And then where are we getting the best content?
And how do you know whether or not you should should trust that content?
So it's a it's a great question.
But I would also say before AI and me myself as a teacher, yes, I would use the district approved curriculum.
But then I would also find stuff to supplement and or enhance that curriculum on my own.
as a teacher who was certified by the state that I was working in and therefore qualified to make curriculum and material decisions.
And I think that's something we really want to continue to hold on to because that's the difference of what it means to be a professional is having that autonomy to make those types of decisions.
I was gonna say so they're breaking news.
I don't know if you're referring to this but actually AFT American Federation of Teachers.
It's not that anymore AFT Randy Weingarten big announcement this week and You know, it's something that we're hopefully gonna be covering on Busted Pencils in the future.
They are on board with approving AI when I say approve They're working
with AI to address what you're talking about, John.
The sense of saying, you know, is there an authority behind...
AI and AFT has gotten you know into that and you know we've had Randy Weingarten on the show before and so we're asking her to come on to actually talk about what does it mean for AFT to be doing some type of an endorsement of AI.
Well that's good that
Well, I mean Bill Bill Gates has been saving education for like 39 years now, so You know he's it's he eventually one day will solve the education problem we know
Well, okay.
How
I mean, what are you kidding?
No, he has for the I mean, he has for the longest time, you know, whether truly genuinely concerned about educational attainment or really meddling from the sense of going, you know, I alone can fix this.
Yeah.
You know, whether it's been Microsoft enhanced materials and or doing a lot with the Gates Foundation money, putting out money in grants out there.
to steer American education in a certain direction and you know some of it has not been all that successful and a lot of people have said that a lot of this money has been really directed towards moving education in a way that very much resembles what
Bill Gates himself thinks is important as opposed to a public school system and a community and a democracy making those decisions.
So there's a, you know, there's a fear of a rich potential oligarch taking control of American education.
And that's what I was worried about.
I know that the other teaching organization was more on the conservative side, or at least, you know, it has been known to be more conservative.
and Bill Gates helping them out with AI, I thought was kind of an odd combination, well not an odd combination, probably an assumed combination.
But
you've forgotten though, I mean, if it's a conservative organization, they deserve a leg up because that's the type of DEI we support.
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Clouds are kind of thickening up here this morning over State Street and downtown Madison, cloudy skies now and temperatures in the low to mid sixties will climb into the low eighties by this afternoon.
Maybe some spots rain or possibly a couple of thunderstorms later.
I don't know if you do that purpose.
Did you do that purpose?
No, but as you're saying that, I'm like, OK, let me move my head a little
Yeah, it's a great show.
We have been, you know,
In touch with in fact is started with a CISA for Director Brittany waltz We had originally had her on the show for some unique things that CISA for But in Western, rural, Wisconsin was doing with AI She turned us on to in fact they have an a whole team up there and they're called liftoffs li fto ff
s liftoffs and that their websites liftoffs learning dot com and we talked to one of the founders of this program super intendant in the white holes uh... yeah the white hole school district mike bigley about the work they're doing and
It's it is something I mean you gotta listen you gotta hear what's going on there because what they're doing is in truly groundbreaking something that needs to be highlighted actually, you know celebrated and because
they are in a rural district to me breaking through the or breaking out of the old restraints of schooling, which is this kind of Carnegie unit seat time, you know, you do 40 minutes of math, you do 50 minutes of this.
And, and they're saying, Hey, look, you know, as early as kindergarten, we're starting kids on a personalized learning journey.
They're using artificial intelligence as one of their tools.
And they're, they're
You know, God forbid, but they're letting the students work well or work a lot together and going at rates that work with the students themselves.
And he pointed out this great success story in eighth grade with eighth grade, the math curriculum.
The all of all every one of them all the eighth graders finished the eighth grade math curriculum Before the school year was over and then they decided hey guess what since we have all this at this extra time they introduced Algebra early and you know what what's pointing out is is that saying you know what hey?
This whole idea of 25 kids in front of you taking a curriculum and being paced at the rate of, you know, hey, we have to keep them for 45 minutes.
It's an artificial constraint.
And that's the word that Mike Bigley really uses, is that what we're doing with liftoffs and the partner schools up there working.
taking away the constraints of schooling and empowering education and they're using AI as one of those tools to really kind of promote this personalized learning and What's awesome here is that this is in rural Wisconsin?
Typically where they try to tell schools hey you can do without you know do less or do more with less They're up there going you know what here's the deal.
We're gonna do more
With less truly and we're gonna blow the socks off of the rest of the world because Our kids are awesome and we're gonna give them an awesome opportunity.
So focusing on what's happening up there Just just incredible.
I mean if you listen to Mike Bigley talk to Johnny and me on Saturday He is you can understand why such amazing things are going and what what kind of connects this is is that
Ashley furniture, you know local Wisconsin company.
Yeah, they're they're fully involved in supporting Mike Bigley and liftoff's team So, you know, we really like about this.
This is a Wisconsin story.
We're all Wisconsin and You know the things they're doing Really should be in I'm sorry and national media spotlight and if anybody doesn't go boy, that sounds like remember the the two-hour AI school that we had talked about
They're doing that in that sense they're they're saying you can do one but they're not charging forty thousand dollars a year per student To do they're showing that in a public school in rural public schools when you take away the constraints of old thought processes things about kids and how they learn or what they're supposed to do
U2 can actually do a lot more with kids, keep them fully engaged, empower them.
all in a public school setting as opposed to a really unique private school setting.
You can tell I think it was an awesome
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