Tumbling Tales of Tanzanian (Hour 2)

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Tanzania.

I want to say yeah.

I don't know.

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Tasmania?

Tasmania, yeah, that's what I almost said.

Tasmania.

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Mark, what do you got for us this morning?

Good

morning.

Well, good morning.

First off, I tell Scott Bisson to get bent.

Taros are merely taxation without representation because as Congress is supposed to be passing Taros, and perhaps the reason that he's got all these

Trumpsters think there's so much fraud going on in government because most of Trump's cabinet and Trump himself have been guilty of committing fraud against people for their entire lives so they can't conceive of anybody being honest when they work for government or that people that people out there in the hinterlands are actually honest when they apply for benefits because they, you know, look at Christine Ohm didn't she have her

Prodental worker plastic surgery her look enhancement, you know funded by the taxpayers I know she wants us to pick up the best cowboy picture of her What the hell

I know I know it seems it seems to me like a lot of these higher-ups in the in the mega system In

the

mega party have had that work done.

What is wrong?

That's a good point

You

think that you saw the

before and after pictures of these women and they are gorgeous before and you can see that they would age fantastically.

Right,

right.

But

then they have the work done.

Then they have the work done and preemptively somehow it really messes things up.

Not

good.

Yeah,

it's not a good look.

Not happening.

All right, anyway, we do have Dick on the line as well.

Let's go to the phones.

Good morning, Dick.

Good morning.

Real quick to the president.

Did you hear that word salad that yesterday when he was talking about Putin in Ukraine?

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

He

doesn't like me.

Well, gee, you've got to be the ultimate.

The ultimate slow learner.

He never did like you.

He never did like

us.

Can we play that?

We got the cut here, Dick.

Why don't we play this?

I did bleep on the part of the word here.

Let's listen to cut 43.

OK, hang on a second.

All right, please stand by.

43

you said?

Don't have it.

Do you have it?

No,

no.

Okay.

It must have been last, last month.

That's when you get rid of, I got rid of some of them.

Well, no, I mean, he just said it yesterday, so it can't be last month.

So if you don't have it, that's fine.

All right, Dick, I'm sorry about that, but yeah, I know it's crazy, isn't it?

You know, he's learning this.

We came out and we said, you can't believe Putin and everybody told him that, but he thought he had an inside track with all the compliments that Putin lays on him.

And then real quickly too, who's calls the shot?

Yeah, that is the one that got off the stuff last week.

Right.

Not him.

Right.

I mean, I thought the president made the decision on the weaponry being set.

Yeah.

Apparently not.

Apparently not.

Well, we wonder what we kind of know that he is really not in charge.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's the that's the problem.

Yeah.

But who is Steve Miller?

I don't know.

Well, no, it's, again, I think it's Russell Boat.

I think that's the guy

in

charge

of

everything.

And by the way, you can check out, Dom, you can check out and see whether that cut is now on and you have access to it.

in the drop box because I do want to get the cut where he is you know realizing that Putin is full of BS

that's

what he was talking about

in the meantime you want to go yeah let's go let's go to Kurt on the phone here six oh eight eight seven nine eight two five five good morning Kurt

good morning gentlemen and I say that loosely thank you

I just want to make a comment about my health care.

I get it's just one data point, but I'm in my sixties and I've had both private care, you know, SSRM and the others.

And I have had all my care through the VA for probably the last 15 years.

I've had procedures done in Milwaukee VA as well as here in Madison.

And

It is by far the best healthcare I have ever gotten from any organization Oh

great

in my life and I'm now really scared that It's gonna get blown up.

Yeah,

right.

That's what they're worried about You know the Supreme Court giving Trump the decision process now to fire every employee in the federal government that he wants to and get rid of departments completely if he wants to and

Vets are really worried now because they wanted to get rid of a whole bunch of people in the Veterans Department.

Right.

Now this could possibly happen because now he has carte blanche.

He can do anything he wants, Kurt.

Yeah.

So I mean, there's times where I actually feel guilty because I listen to other people how they've gone, what they've had to go through to get care.

I mean, the woman from Canada, she's

Pretty much was mirroring my experience.

I I didn't have wait times.

I was always taking care of everybody in the Institution the nurses the doctors the people at the desk all Super helpful, and I just I feel bad for others is I'm getting something at a much higher quality level than the rest of

you.

Yeah

Yeah, well, yeah, I know there are disability ratings that veterans have as well and You know they get a lot of benefits and they rightfully get those benefits They've been putting over time You know as we notice more and more what they definitely need and they've got even more medical care now simply because of the the fire pits and The health problems that went along with that right

so

But Kurt, I think you're not alone.

I think a lot of the vets are concerned about the future of the VA.

But I have also heard that the VA hospital here in Madison is excellent.

It does a really good job for most of the vets.

Kurt, thank you for that call.

Appreciate it.

Thank you,

Kurt.

All

right.

And do you have that cut there, Tom?

We got it.

We got it.

There we go.

Let's listen to Trump.

OK.

But that was a war that should have never happened, and a lot of people are dying, and it should end.

And I don't know, we get a lot of voting thrown at us by Putin for you to know the truth.

It's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless.

He just figured that out.

Wow.

Okay.

Big surprise.

Wow.

I thought they were such good buddies.

Wasn't

the last guy also telling him, you know, he's broken his promises every

time we agree to some of our

treaties.

And yet, and yet he did not learn because, you know, Putin was just laying on the syrup and he believed everything, everything.

Apparently so.

All right, let's get to the Epstein thing

because the Epstein files.

This is so stupid that we have to put we have to have it on this program.

We

gotta talk

about it.

Yeah, there were files on her desk.

Oh, Pam Bondi's desk.

We had the

list.

Yes, she had the list.

When he was first

asked, would you release that list?

Yes.

And then Trump said, oh, sure, but.

Maybe not because a few people on that might actually be innocent and we don't want to drag their names through the mud.

So maybe we'll, you know, redact some of.

what we do see on that

list.

Remember that interview way back?

Yes, but the MAGA folks were all into releasing the list.

They want to see the list.

And Pam Bondi said it was on her desk.

Well, it's getting on the president's nerves now.

He

jumped on one reporter who asked AG Pam Bondi who was sitting next to him to explain why there was a

time missing from roughly 11 hours of video footage, released the night Epstein killed himself.

So why don't we listen to what happened on that 42.

Okay, got 42.

So

could you resolve whether or not he did?

And also, could you say why there's a minute missing from the jailhouse

tape?

Yeah, sure.

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

This guy's been talked about for years.

You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things.

And are people still talking about this guy, this creep?

That is unbelievable.

All right, there it is.

They were buddies.

Pretty unbelievable.

Cue up 41 if you can.

Here are the promises to release.

So they put a list compilation together of them saying, we're going to release that.

You bet.

No problem.

Cut 41.

The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Will that really happen?

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump.

I'm reviewing that.

All this evidence is sitting in the Southern District of New York.

So based on that, I gave them the deadline, Friday at eight, a truckload of evidence.

Cash

is going to get me and himself really a detailed report

as to

why all these documents and evidence had been withheld.

It's a new administration and everything's going to come out to the public.

The public has the right to know.

Americans have a right to know.

I know the attorney general has committed to releasing those files.

I would defer you to the Department of Justice on her timeline.

But when she has made a promise in the past, she has kept it.

And I'm certain that she will in this case as well.

Welcome back everybody.

20 minutes to

the top of the hour.

Case closed.

The Justice Department revealing Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide and insists there is no secret client list

out there.

So there you go.

That's a compilation of.

the timeline, basically, of what happened with the Jeffrey Epstein list.

It's out there somewhere.

And

Caroline Levitt came out saying that the Attorney General, Pam Bonnie, didn't say what she said she said.

So let's listen to cut 38 now.

Okay.

Look at the circumstances surrounding

the

death of Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein.

According to the report, this systematic review revealed no incriminating client list.

So what happened to the Epstein client list?

that the Attorney General said she had on her desk.

Well, I think if you go back and look at what the Attorney General said in that interview, which was on your network, on Fox News, go ahead.

John

Roberts said, DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Will that really happen?

Yeah.

And she said, it's sitting on my desk right now to review.

Yes, she was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork, all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

That's what the Attorney General was referring to, and I'll let her speak for that.

But again, when it comes to the FBI and the Department of Justice, they are more than committed to ensuring that bad people are put behind bars.

No, it didn't ever happen.

Bad people.

Then she went

on saying, we are locking everybody up that broke the law.

But look, this is it.

The list doesn't exist now because they got rid of it.

This is total censorship.

This is totally keeping it away from the public.

They promised and promised and promised and they're not coming through

with it

anymore.

And,

you know,

Trump thought it was in the past.

No one's ever going to bring it up again.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

So there we go.

OK.

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I'm fantastic So I hear this come up from time to time and and I'm feeling like it might be time to start Working really hard on some of these Republicans who are disillusioned with the

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Yes, exactly.

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Alive, actually.

Good

morning.

You know, you took your safari in Tanzania.

You didn't bring back any Tanzania pee-bean coffees for me, so I understand that, you know, sometimes, you know, bringing that stuff back into the country might be suspicious.

Well.

But, you know, your trip out there was really exciting.

Man, when we

came back, when we came back through customs, though.

Yeah.

I was really kind of prepared for it to be a horrible ordeal, right?

And they process this in a matter of minutes.

They didn't ask me if I had anything to declare that I needed to pay a duty for.

And they didn't even look at my passport.

They did facial recognition at O'Hare.

They were taking everybody's picture, but I had my passport and my...

boarding pass in my hand, but they never looked at it.

And they pretty much just waved me

through.

They asked my son and my wife a couple of questions, but really minimal.

And in a matter of minutes, we were through customs.

So I was really surprised because I was prepared for it to be.

A

very

lengthy ordeal and very confrontational all of that.

And it ended up being the exact opposite.

Probably the quickest I've ever made it through customs coming in from a, you know, on a foreign flight.

Well, I have some drugs I like to smuggle into the country and they apparently think you have a friendly face and they're not going to even ask.

So, well, we have a way in.

You know, the thing is, you know, my trips out west, you know, they...

they are really tough on what you bring into Arizona.

They get you at the board, at the highway.

And I was coming in from Amsterdam and pretty much everything's legal in Amsterdam.

And so

you'd

think that they would have raised eyebrows, but no, they just, they said, come on in.

Amazing, just amazing.

Because in Arizona.

The trip was full of surprises.

You can't bring in certain fruits or plants or anything like that.

So yeah.

And plus pot is legal.

Maybe they just are figuring that they'll pick anything up that is suspicious on just scanning your bags and everything.

But yeah, I literally had my picture taken because they use facial recognition.

They didn't even check the past.

Since you've been back, you've been sharing a lot of pictures.

I have.

And video.

I have written a

couple articles

for Substack.

What's been the reaction from some of your friends?

Oh,

you know, tremendously positive reaction.

I think people love to see something that different than, you know, the everyday reality

of

life here in the U.S.

And, you know, Tanzania is nothing, if not really different from here.

But one of the things that's been cool is I've had a number of people, in fact, enough that I've...

lost count who've said, you know, you've kind of inspired me to do this trip myself.

Go on the trip

themselves.

Yeah, and they've actually asked me, who did you work with to line all this up?

And who did you go through to?

to see all this stuff, to get all these amazing pictures and tell these stories.

And we worked with a company called Access to Tanzania, which was started by a Peace Corps volunteer who served there.

And I'm a former Peace Corps volunteer myself, so that was kind of what drew us to that company.

But it's a cool company because they...

They, unlike most of the companies, and there are over 500 companies running safaris in

Tanzania.

Wow,

500.

Over 500.

And what drew us to this one is that they don't just give you a standard package and say, this is what you're gonna see day one, this is what you're gonna see the next day

and the day

after that and the day after that, and here's your eight day or 14 day safari, and here's the price.

This outfit actually lets you

Create your own trip and decide what you want to see what you want to do and and kind of tailor it to your own interests and and and and that was cool But the other thing is that they actually take proceeds and plow it back into Tanzania They they give them they give profits to something called project Zawadi Which builds schools and funds education for Tanzanians

and

helps orphans on street orphans get schooling and

So it's a neat way to not only have this amazing experience

and

see this very different part of the world, but then also help that part of the world with putting your money on the table and then that money goes back to helping to educate people right there in Tanzania.

really highly recommend this outfit access to Tanzanian Brian singers the Peace Corps volunteer who started it and he's got a whole team of Tanzanians who who run the show over there and and and you know it's their knowledge of wildlife and birds and the plant life in this and you know the landscape

It's just encyclopedia.

You were pretty close to a lot of those animals.

It was incredible.

Yeah, the photos that you have on Substack show you that you were

right there.

And none of them were taken with telephoto lens

or anything like

that.

I mean, the photos that were taken, I posted a bunch on Facebook.

I've

written about it

on Substack.

I posted it on some other social media, Instagram and such.

And those photos were

were taken with a telephone.

And in no Zoom, the animals were that close, which is amazing.

And a little unnerving when you first start experiencing it.

But I think I mentioned last week that the Tanzanian we were traveling with just said, you can feel free to open the windows and you're in no danger.

If

you've never been...

If you've never been taught to cook, you can't cook.

And these animals have never been taught to hunt anything in a vehicle.

And they're not after two-legged creatures.

So you're OK.

Yeah.

And so you're OK.

And so the animals paid us no mind.

And it was so cool and so different from the US that these parks are for the animals.

They're not for the people.

And the animals get to roam free.

And even the tented camps that we stayed in were in the park and were not fenced.

The animals could just roam through the

camp.

It's like a Disney cartoon.

You know all these different creatures out there getting along with each other.

It's the

coolest thing.

And you had the Maasai herders who were tending their sheep and their goats and their cows.

Right out there.

Right out there where all the animals were, where the

wildlife were roaming.

Talk with Mike McCabe here, a sub-stack blogger, and your latest blog is about haggling.

So tell us about this.

That's a common thing all the time.

That's

one of the cool things that we did in terms of designing our trip is we wanted to do some, we wanted to spend some time in villages.

We

didn't

want to just be out there on the Serengeti

and

looking at animals.

We wanted to be in the villages and we toured some villages and got into the marketplaces.

And of course here, other than houses and cars, we really don't bargain for anything.

price tags.

We want to be told what the price is and we decide whether we want to buy or walk.

Makes it easy.

Yeah, and they basically haggle over everything, the smallest purchases.

But what you find pretty quickly is that it's really a social exercise.

more than it is an economic exercise.

It's part of their social bonding.

How does that bond?

I would think there'd be competition.

There's all

this teasing.

Oh, it's the

attitude.

And it's all this kind of relationship building going on.

But one of the other things that becomes clear, and we've experienced it in other African countries, because I lived for two years in Mali, and the negotiated prices for anything you buy.

is based on ability to pay.

There's not a fixed price that a thing sells for.

It's based on what you can afford.

And so if they can tell, if you drive up in a nice car and you're wearing nice clothes, you pay more than the neighbor that they know is really struggling and is having a hard time

feeding the

family.

Sure.

And so that's one of the interesting things is that that haggling is based on kind of coming to a price that is the right price for somebody based on their ability to pay.

So different than here, in that sense.

Well, I'm trying to bring that to

Costco.

Good luck.

Good luck.

If I dress down, they'll give me a better

price.

This is a free market economy.

These marketplaces, there's no government regulation.

There's nobody looking over their shoulder.

Government is not enforcing these rules.

These rules are cultural.

And they believe that if you can afford to pay more, you have a duty.

You have a social obligation to pay more.

And

if you can't afford it, you have a right to eat and you have a right to...

to buy in the market.

And that's just their culture.

And so here we demean these kinds of countries, call them third world countries, as

if

there are these other countries standing above them.

And we call them underdeveloped.

But these are advanced civilizations.

And these are, this is 100.

This is the way they

live.

And they live peacefully.

And the thing that always jumps out at you when you go to a place like this is they smile more, they laugh more,

they

sing and dance more than we do here.

So there is a lightheartedness about life there that is really, really striking.

Even though Tanzania is one of the 20 poorest countries on earth economically.

But it's such a rich place, so prosperous, socially and culturally.

You can go in the forest and pull your own banana.

And I

got to sample some banana beer.

Now last

week they got bananas for eating, they got bananas for cooking, and they got bananas for beer making.

It's a particular kind of banana that they use for beer making.

Is it really?

And

they use millet as the base grain.

It

tastes

pretty,

it tastes like

beer with little fruity undertones.

Wow.

Yes, we have no dependence.

Okay, so last week we were talking about your trip.

Yeah.

And we talked about, you know, all the aspects of your trip.

Yeah.

Well, what?

Are you getting to?

Yes.

What?

After, okay, well, I think we have time to at least start this conversation.

So after we got off the air last week, you told us about this amazing story that you left something out last week that we have to talk about today.

because you fell off a mountain.

And you buried the lead last week.

It wasn't the most significant thing that happened during the

trip.

So I talked about what I thought was important.

And I just sort of mentioned that in passing.

And here you thought it was the

lead

news.

Well, we

got a minute here to at least start it.

No.

You can't start it?

Can you?

All right.

Well, no.

OK.

Well, it is an amazing story.

I took a little tumble.

Yes.

A little tumble.

OK.

All right.

I think it's a little bit more than that.

But we will

continue here.

And yeah, OK.

You say it was not that big of a deal, but it really, it's amazing that you're alive.

Let me just say that.

Actually, you're not exaggerating.

I'm not exaggerating.

We'll tell you, Mike McCabe will tell you the story, amazing story, when

we return

on John and Gordy in the morning.

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