It's the John and Gordy show.
Do you know what this means?
Wouldn't you like to know weather, boy?
You're pretty high on fire, aren't you?
What kind of kick are you on, son?
You're no good bastard.
Your show
sucks.
What made me think this was a good day to stop drinking?
What if you want coffee?
Coffee.
Coffee.
Black coffee.
Coffee.
Coffee.
C'mon, that's about people like you!
What a load of crap.
Thank you, sir.
May I have another?
We'll do it live!
And
that's the way
of it.
On 92.7 FM, WMDX.
Take it away, boys.
Well, we need some coffee, right?
Oh, do we ever?
Right.
Wow.
Got a big, big day
ahead of us, John Peterson.
I know.
This is jam-packed.
I don't know how we're going to find the time to even talk about half the things we need to talk about this morning.
We should have started 20 minutes ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We might have to cut into Stephanie Miller's program.
We might have to somehow stretch time itself.
Really?
So you gotta bend
the time space continually.
Hop into the time tunnel and get a few extra minutes.
Oh, the time tunnel, yes.
Those were the days.
Look at the sunshine.
Once again, it's
a
bright, beautiful start this morning.
It's going to be wonderful all day long.
A lot of people are already getting ready to travel.
It's John Peterson, Gordy Young, producer Sam, pushing the buttons, flipping
the
switches.
You said
Sam.
Oh, did I?
Did I say
Sam?
Sam.
Wow.
Whoa.
Wow.
Slip.
Okay.
All
right.
Boris is punching the buttons and flipping the
switches.
What if we get to the WMDX official weather watch in Samsung?
Okay.
71 degrees currently high.
In fact, it feels like 71 degrees.
Does it?
Yeah, I don't think it's quite that warm.
High of 89.
today and a low tonight of around 69 degrees, possible thunderstorms this evening.
So we'll see about that.
Not, not a real big possibility, but that's
only a 20% chance.
I like to cover your ass
percentage.
I have 35%.
I know it's a cover your ass thing.
I hated that more than anything.
Every day I was like, oh, there's a slight chance.
20%.
20%.
Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
It doesn't mean anything.
Yeah.
And then of course the official WMDX weather window is never incorrect and it looks sunny today.
Yeah, the weather window temperature
is
67 degrees.
Oh, it is?
Yeah.
And with highs in the mid 80s today and I think it's going to feel.
Fairly comfortable.
All right, but you're stepping on a limb there.
Well, did you check the dew point?
Can you check the dew
point?
I have the dew point.
I actually can, yes.
I scroll through a lot of it.
Yes, I don't have to pay for it.
It doesn't have an entry fee as you go.
Well, the dew point is about 64, so
it's starting to feel
rather
uncomfortable.
Humidity about
79%,
so look out.
I wonder how warm it's going to be tomorrow.
for the 4th of July.
Only there
was
a way to figure that
out.
Yeah, if there was a kind of a way to prognosticate the weather and look into the future.
I'm seeing 88 for a high tomorrow.
And um... Partly cloudy.
And it looks like it'll be rain-free.
And that's good.
That is good.
So those fireworks will be going off all over the place.
You know, I came out against fireworks the other day.
Did you?
Yeah.
But, you know, people, if you do it responsibly, you know, more power to you.
I read a, well, a city memo from Sun Prairie saying, they're illegal here.
No one, no one can fire off a firework in our city.
Really?
Yeah, that was their memo to the friendly folks in Sun Prairie.
You can't do it.
Somebody asked a very simple question.
Really?
If I have fireworks, can I shoot them off?
No, you can't.
No one can.
It's not possible at Sunbrow.
No way.
Good luck with that.
OK,
man.
Calm down.
A little bit later on, we're gonna talk to Jim Santel.
He's gonna catch us up on whatever's going on with the Supreme Court, you know, the pending cases, whatever's
been happening in the last few days.
He always gets into the weeds with this stuff, and we love that part of it.
But at some point, I look at the big picture, and I'm looking at what they're doing, how they're destroying this country from the...
executive branch to the administrative branch, the legislative branch to, you know, of course, you know, the Congress.
What's the one with the courts in it?
Judicial branch?
Judicial branch, is it?
Wow.
Are you okay?
No, I need more
coffee.
Brain cells aren't firing on all six.
What's our coffee guy anyway?
He never stops firing.
We never have him around here anymore.
I guess we've passed the door enough.
Oh,
no, he got in.
Oh, boy.
Fresh?
Over here.
Right over this way.
Tore something.
Wait, hold it.
Come on in.
Oh,
well, yeah,
that's weird.
What?
Yes.
She
still can't find the studio.
The thing is, he can't hear us over whatever he's seen.
It's never a fresh pot by the time we get to
it.
That's for sure.
I mentioned Jim Santel, Tim Slecker will also join us from Busted Pencils in a while and get caught up on edumacation.
Yeah, there's a lot of little things, you know, Antigo made the press and they talked about that, yeah.
And it's an interesting story out of Antigo, so we'll talk to you what...
Tim Slacker.
Tim Slacker.
Are you having a moment?
It's gonna be a long morning.
You know,
maybe, you know, I walked in today, you know it, right?
I
said, we have
such a jam-packed show.
I don't know
how we're gonna get to any of it now.
It's so jam-packed, I can't remember anybody's names that
are part of the show
anymore.
I was listening to Schwabba.
I remember his name.
But anyway, he was talking about that documentary on smart studios that will be going on at the Atwood Music Hall.
All whatever.
So anyway, they're going to have that film there.
This is like a 10-year-old
film.
And it's uh, that's gonna be in a couple of days.
I've got the
yeah,
I have the date on my calendar
It sounds really
interesting.
Yeah, it's really gonna be something because they'll be talking with butch big and and some of the other people that were a part of smart studios Exactly Bodin's are playing there tonight.
Oh, they
are.
Yeah.
Yeah, they are
There's only one Bodin now at this point The other guy was dating him the other Bodin's daughter.
Oh, is that right?
That didn't go over well really
It was a problem with that.
I think that was the problem or his ex-wife or something.
I don't remember exactly.
July 9th is actually the smart studios get together at Wood Music Hall.
And that'll be good.
That's, you know, they smart studios, man.
They cranked out a lot of great stuff.
Well, you know, the precursor, of course, was the group Spooner.
Yes, Spooner.
Yeah, those guys.
Which big and Doug Erickson.
Yeah, Doug
Erickson.
Yeah.
And yeah, and then garbage, you know, hit the band, that band.
And but they did a lot of great stuff with musicians at smart studios and that that's going to be quite the documentary and get together.
Okay, all right, you know, yeah, I'm just all morning long I'm just gonna you know joke about the fact that I can't remember people's names Okay, and then and then I can get away with that I'm just kidding.
You know, I'm seeing if you're paying attention.
All right, so let's get the let's get the game going here
and let's get there and find out
what's
What's worse?
What's-
What's- Would you rather, and
hate,
hate?
You need more coffers, too.
Brain fart thingy that you got going on is contagious, I think.
Okay, I actually have an intro for this now, let's play it.
Oh, what is it?
Let's play it.
Alright, let's go ahead.
This is... Woody Brown.
It's like wedding music or something.
Would you rather?
By the way, your neighbors texted us and said also the band Fire Town.
Oh,
yes, Fire Town.
Yeah, from Spooner to
Fire Town.
That's
right.
Yeah, I forgot
about Fire Town.
Alright, let's get into Would You Rather.
First question, would you rather be forced to listen to the Barney theme song or someone's slurped soup for 24 hours straight?
They're both the
same.
Um, after hearing the Barney theme song,
you do want to slurp soup.
I'd go with the slurping of the soup.
I don't remember how much fun we have with the Barney
theme song.
Oh, it is.
Do you have the Barney theme song handy?
I think I do.
Let me, I gotta turn down this music.
There you go.
All you kids, all you guys.
Oh, God.
All right.
All right.
Let's, let's listen to some Barney
theme song.
Okay.
Here
we go.
Oh my god.
Okay, I
can't listen to that anymore.
Alright, let's switch that up now.
Alright, so second question.
Actually, what would you guys say?
You said soup, right?
Yeah, I'd rather listen
to Slurping
Soup.
Alright, second question.
Would you rather be seated on an airplane between a couple that's arguing or next to a crying
baby?
I'd
like
to sit next to the couple arguing so I could throw my two cents in.
That was good, that was good.
Yeah, I mean,
I gotta go along with that.
Yeah, crying baby would be really,
really tough.
I think I agree.
Yeah, we're all in agreeance here.
First two questions.
Yeah, I couldn't handle a crying baby.
30 final question.
Would you rather get brain freeze from ice cream or burn your mouth on hot food?
Hopefully.
I'll
go with the brain freeze since I've never experienced that so I'll just enjoy my ice cream.
No kidding.
Yeah, I've never had brain freeze.
Never once.
No, it's
just a myth.
It's something people have created to make it seem like.
No.
Are you ever
had brain freeze?
Oh, no.
Oh, yes.
Do you really
you've gotten that?
Oh, sure.
It's real?
Oh,
yes.
Wow.
So I would go the burning food on the...
tongue.
What was it?
I think I would go burning food on burning your mouth on hot food.
I think I would do that.
But yeah, those are the three questions.
Wow.
You stay up really late at night coming
up with these, don't you?
I do.
I do.
I
do.
Well, those are good questions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Find out a little bit more about each and every one of us here in the
studio.
So, Dom, do you have big plans for the 4th of July?
Weekend?
Big plans, I
do.
Three
days
off, you know, we pre-taped tomorrow's show.
We did,
we did, yes.
And
we've got a lot of great segments
in here, but some
best of stuff.
Interviews that we've done
recently.
So what's your plan?
My plan is, my friends from back in Illinois, that's where I'm originally from.
You're
gonna hop a freight car and hit the
hobo circuit, is that correct?
I'm gonna be on the train back.
Just watching everything.
That's what I'm gonna be doing, yep.
And yeah, surprisingly, I have friends that are gonna be coming up here.
And we're just gonna be watching some fireworks.
That's it.
Wow.
Nice and easy.
Plenty of fireworks to be
had.
So why did they think coming up to Madison was an important time for them?
Well, because they live somewhere that's really boring and they don't want to be there.
good old small town for Illinois.
Well, if you're from the Flatlands, it's not
a great place
to be.
And he was really not a lot to see, except for Flatland.
Because, you know, you head north of the Cheddar Curtain, and suddenly everything just brightens up.
You
know, you got the Dells just waiting for you.
The Dells, yes.
That's the
destination.
It's like Oz, you know, in
the distance you see Oz shining.
And the fourth of July weekend is the really the
big start of summer in the Dells.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
So there'll be a big backup on the interstate, you know, heading north up there.
Yeah.
Probably later today.
Well,
I hope so.
All through the weekend.
Yes.
I think it's the best water parks in the nation.
I
really do.
We're just getting started on this Thursday morning back with more of John and Gordy in just a
moment.
Don't pass me over.
No, no, no.
Don't pass me by.
See, I can see good things for you tonight.
Yeah, good things for you.
No, no, no.
Don't pass me.
I hear about John Peterson on 92 FM, baby.
He works for the guy named Gordian.
They spin
him the
way you want to hear them.
Could it be that 92 FM was made for you and me?
Every morning.
They get you rollin' Playin' songs Help you make it through your day Oh, the station is right on bay Now that 92 FM keeps rockin' this way Ah, with Johnny Peterson Yeah, I mean,
you can't
lose
You can't go
wrong.
No, it's to debate
that.
Keep that dial.
Right at 92,
baby.
Big finish.
With the greatest songs.
Yeah, keep
rocking.
Keep rocking.
This time.
Bring it on home.
Come on.
Russ Waniello.
Here he is.
Look out for 92 FM, baby.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Wow
He was something else man rust loud yellow
where he was in Vegas
is he yeah, I Contacted him.
I didn't hear back from him.
I thought maybe he'd do another one of these songs right not yet But I'll harangue him a little bit more and he used to play at Supper Club Mm-hmm on the southwest side Capitol Hill supper.
Oh, yeah
Capitol Hill
and he
play these cassettes
for the music bat.
And then he
do his impressions of Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra.
Yeah.
Great stuff though.
Oh man.
He was
he was just terrific
singer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a lot of fun.
And to appear on the show, you know, you take that kind of chance, you know, you know, you got nothing to lose.
Good guy.
Can we
get the AOC cut cued up and ready to go?
All right.
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Yeah, well, last night, you know, I was watching Andor on the Disney Channel.
Andor.
Andor.
It's a spinoff of Star Wars.
It's a prequel.
Very, very, very early prequel.
of Star Wars, and I was having a difficult time hearing the dialogue, and I thought, well, I'll get out the hearing aids, you know.
And I didn't have them charged up.
Oh, no.
Oh, man.
So I just floated through reading the closed captions.
Well, it doesn't take
real long to charge them up.
I don't know.
I don't know
how long.
Well, it only takes a few minutes, like maybe 10 minutes or so, 10, 15 minutes.
Yeah.
Well,
so anyway, we want to hear Andor.
Andor's a character.
That's the guy's name.
And he
goes through all these iterations of trying to get the opposition going against the Dark Lords.
Well, you were talking about AOC.
She was on the House floor yesterday.
really gave her thoughts about the big beautiful bill and what it's all about.
Let her rip.
Thank you, and I thank the chairman.
President Trump had issued some statements throughout this process saying and urging, insisting that this bill does not cut Medicaid.
He's also said some things.
He says he doesn't think I'm too much of a smart person.
And I'll tell you one thing.
It doesn't take a smart person to know if you're being lied to.
President Trump, you're either being lied to or you are lying to the American people.
because this bill represents in the text of this bill the largest and greatest loss of health care in American history.
17 million Americans will lose their health care on this bill, not undocumented people, not quote unquote the disgusting term illegal, but 17 million Americans will have their health care cut from this bill on this point of tax on
tips.
As one of the only people in this body who has lived off of tips, I want to tell you a little bit about the scam of that text, a little bit of the fine print there.
The cap on that is $25,000.
While you're jacking up taxes on people who make less than $50,000 across the United States, while taking away their snap, while taking away their Medicaid, while taking kicking them off
of the ACA and their health care extensions.
So if you're at home and you're living off tips, you do the math.
Is that worth it to you?
Losing all your health care, not able to feed your babies, not being able to put a diaper on their bottom in exchange for what?
This bill is a deal with the devil.
It explodes our national debt.
It militarizes our entire economy and it strips away healthcare and basic dignity of the American people for what?
To give Elon Musk a tax break and billionaires the greedy taking of our nation.
We cannot stand for it and we will not support it.
You should be
ashamed.
Great.
Great sums
it up.
That's it in the context.
Yeah.
Well, there's still voting on that this morning.
Hakeem Jeffries is stalling.
Yes.
And he just continues to speak,
delaying the vote.
That's right.
But they do expect it to happen sometime a little later this morning.
So it'll be our eye on that.
And of
course, the state budget has been signed, folks.
Oh, that's right.
Yes, we'll get into that.
And a whole lot more.
Tim Slecker is right around the corner from Busted Pencils to talk about what's the latest in education and any updates there.
Coming back with more of John and Gordy on Thursday after this.
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Well, we're talking to
Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils this morning.
Welcome to the program.
Good morning, Tim.
Good morning.
Good morning.
How are you guys?
We're doing okay.
You know, I'm wondering why they didn't have this commercial scale sawmill
here in
Wisconsin at the time I was in school, but, but Andigo has this thing going.
And this sounds really interesting.
You, you, you were talking about it in your latest podcast.
Yeah.
Fill us in.
a little bit on this thing.
Well, you know, we've been focusing a lot lately on busted pencils on, I guess you could maybe one way of phrasing it is alternative higher education.
You know, what, what is there out?
You know, I don't want a four year degree and $150,000 in debt to work at Costco.
You know, things like that.
But it's a great place to work.
It is.
It's a great place.
And so we've been, you know, what are these other pathways and people think of the trades?
And yeah, you know, let's focus on those because those are, you know, essential occupations and skills.
And what we, you know, in fact, it was our producer, Jacob, who brought us this story from Antigo where in combination with the University of Wisconsin system up there,
high-tech wood cutting.
Yes.
Well, and it's just like you read this and my thing was is like, oh, so they got a sawmill up in the Northwoods big deal.
Of course, of course they do, you know, and so really we're gonna we got to train people on how to put stuff through a saw, you know, other than, you know, don't get your fingers away.
And so, yeah, an apprenticeship on wood cutting would be, you know, at the end of the day, you have all your fingers.
You're now.
Yeah, you're a skilled woodcutter.
And actually, what this piece does is points out that, no, the whole science of wood and the technology of the saws and the new systems in there and how to analyze the different trees and the woods and the type of cuts and how many different cuts you could make for economic benefit and how to mix these
It's a high-tech job to be a woodcutter, and there is a place in Annaco up in the Northwoods that is saying, you know what, we've got a facility, and with a grant from the University of Wisconsin system, they put together this facility that...
really can give people an alternative higher education in a high-tech field, in an industry that is right there at home in the Northwoods.
And I think what I really like about this is that
This is one of these opportunities that creates economic independence for people to stay in their communities and add and contribute to rebuilding particularly those rural towns that have been hit so hard.
Yeah, I was fascinated by the fact that you can scan wood for the knots in the wood.
and the ingrown bark in some of these these trees.
Yeah.
And I had no idea they could do
that.
Yeah.
You know, last time I saw that was like, you know, Superman could do stuff
like
that.
Exactly.
Yeah.
You know, but who knew that your chat GPT could see through wood?
I know.
I have more respect for that now than ever before.
I think what they're going to have to do is, you know, we've got a big statue of
bunion in the Dells.
They're going to have to put a cell phone in his hand where he's working an app to cut wood.
There you go.
Oh my God.
Throw away that
app.
They still have great pancakes there
by the
way.
Lots of bacon.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
They pile it on.
Oh boy.
But yeah, this is really an interesting thing because you know I
I hail from Middleton where my kids went to Middleton High School and on the board they always had the new jobs that
they were training for you know it would change maybe a couple of times a year but you could take certain classes and train for those specific jobs so this is just another extension of that and this is really something else you know I mean the safety aspect of it though I mean the insurance coverage for something like this might be extensive
Well, you know, I could actually bring my uncle Joel up there who's missing a couple fingers.
He could stand at the end of the stall, you know, and just, it just hold up his hand, you know, like that and go like, okay, you don't want to, and he's from Hungary.
You don't want to be like Uncle Jewel.
No, that's true.
You know, one of the things, you know, because I think the administration has gotten rid of OSHA or they've defanged it quite considerably at this point.
So, you know, we got to kind of look out for ourselves at this point.
but
this is a great program fantastic this is a great program and what we've been trying to do on busted pencils is to really is to make people aware because it's kind of some of those things now where it's this you know what what are you going to do after high school and it's like if you don't know about these options people are not going to you know take them up and so you're wrestling against two
two kind of things there's the culture of well you know uh if you go to college you're the smart kids and if you go to trades you're not the smart kids and we're we're trying to take away that idea of going everything you do
After high school and during high school.
This is all education.
Yeah, and you know, it's leading you and this isn't Oh, I didn't go to college.
I went to sawmill school.
It's like no, you know what?
I went to sawmill school.
I learned about yeah artificial intelligence and its implementation in wood cutting Understanding the science of wood, you know, it really isn't and I said this story kind of I think creates an image in people's heads
of, you know, people pushing, you know, logs through a big bladed saw and cutting them in half and moving on.
I think if you paid it, you know, in the show, I said, and you guys remember this, you know, the Waltons, you know, they owned a saw mill,
right?
Yeah, that was there.
you know but but that that's not the image that we need to put across here this is again this is a highly skilled highly educated workforce that is doing this work and this work is something that you're not going to export across overseas you're not going to do this i mean you know the north woods of wisconsin uh the forestry the lumber industry is there um the idea now too of creating
opportunities for people who live in those communities to get a higher education in a form that says, you know what, this provides a real economic opportunity to contribute.
And I said, you know, what we're fighting against to in a lot of these small rural areas are brain drains that
kind of put forward the idea that, you know, if you got to get out of here, you got to get educated, therefore you can go and work and make money once you get out of here.
I'm saying, you know, that's not a great message or, you know, an exercise if you're trying to actually restore and keep communities healthy.
And we're real, you know, we want to keep our rural communities healthy and thriving.
Yeah.
Well, you know, another thing that you were talking about as well in all of these podcasts is that a lot of these students graduating are really unsure about what to go into next, right?
Right.
And that's this is part of that problem.
You know, at least you get training in school.
But if there isn't anything that interested you in high school, then how do you pick where to go next?
And we talked about this, too.
You know, some there are fad occupations to get into maybe temporary occupations.
We know technology will advance them into something completely different at one point.
So, you know, students are kind of left wondering, what should I do?
How do I pick a subject?
How do I pick an occupation?
Yeah, well and that is an issue we know some kids are yeah They're not informed going back to this making sure that they know that these opportunities are out there to give them a thought of going I'll try this the other thing was to is to see this program and this is kind of the work I'm doing here in Pennsylvania It's a partnership with the University of Wisconsin system and this idea that you know Well, I'm gonna be a woodcutter the rest of my life.
Actually, you're working with the UW you're doing this work.
You might go out and work
for a few years and but you're going to be able to imagine and go well you know what I'm going to come back to UW because I actually want to take more of a passion and really understanding the science of wood and there's an opportunity and so that's the other thing is just to communicate that this isn't the end your trade your job your it's at the end this is an educational experience that's going to
Open you up to some ideas.
You're going to do some work and it may even ignite another passion that you're now able to continue to pursue and so I think that's the message of Higher education is is to try to recommend that we're lifelong learners and that these things that we have out here These are just options to continue our education and so when you see industry and higher education working together such as what's happening in antigo
that what that's really doing is trying to create pathways that allow people an alternative to, hey, you know what?
I really like doing this high-tech wood cutting.
I'll stay here.
Oh, I'm doing this and it's with the University of Wisconsin.
I think I'm going to transfer the skill set and the credits that I accumulated at the Sawmill to the UW and put it towards a degree.
And so it's, you know, again, it's just a great story that we need to be talking about every time we see these opportunities.
Yeah, continuing education,
big deal.
We're talking to Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
And Tim, we talked about the lumberjack industry and the wood cutting industry.
But also,
you know, future opportunities in the dairy industry.
We were talking with our friend Pam Yankee, the family, the fabulous farm base the other day about automated milking barns, you know, that keep that are really way more efficient than the old ways of doing
it.
You don't have to be there.
The machines move up and milk the cows all by themselves.
The cows actually know what to do.
Yes.
And the cows are actually happier and produce more milk this way.
Wow.
Yeah, sewer
technology.
Yeah.
I want to know that's an app we need to invent is the app AI app that looks at a cow and says, this is a good milk and cow.
Yes,
we're talking about the shade machine that goes through the fields now and the cows are underneath the shade machine.
Have you heard
about this?
No, no.
Yeah, it's like a plane, big wings with solar panels on it.
And it operates the better operated tractor that moves this truck along very slowly so the cows can be in the shade during this hot weather.
So they're better at milking.
They get more milk out of these cooler cows.
Yeah, that's
amazing.
Like I said, I, you know, cause when we can identify which cows make skim milk, 1% chocolate milk.
Yeah.
It's all in our future.
Jim.
Tim.
Tim.
Good to talk
to
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Yeah.
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Now, let's get to Derek Van Orden.
He signed on to the big, bad bill
in the
house.
What a
surprise.
And then when it went to the Senate, it changed a little bit.
And then he started panicking because they changed a few things in that big, bad bill that would affect Wisconsin rural communities.
Derek is a big supporter of the rural communities by accident, really, just because he's from there.
Anyway, he was begging Governor Evers.
He was relying on Governor Evers to sign our budget in the state immediately before the house signs on to...
the big bad bill sent from the Senate.
So if you could just keep track of all this stuff.
So anyway, I want you to get a little history of this.
This is Derek Van Orden saying, oh, man, he isn't going to sign on anything that makes cuts to Medicaid and puts puts those hospitals at risk in the rural communities.
Let's listen.
And so far, Republicans are coping with this fundamental obvious contradiction by just
lying their constituents and just falling in line.
Let me give you an example of how this kind of thing works.
So Derek Van Orton is a Wisconsin Republican and he's an interesting case because he represents a true swing district that's also rural in character, okay?
And back in March, boy, boy, he got all wound up
and he
sounded like he was sticking to his guns
on this film.
I have very, very few hard lines when it comes to
these issues that we talk about regularly, one of them is this, that I've been crystal clear with the leadership in the house here.
If during this budget reconciliation process, they're going to try to cut rural health care, I am not on board.
I will not be on board with a package that does that if anybody is trying to cut any type of rural health care, it's just not going to happen on my watch.
So
that was his red line back in March.
Then
two months
later he voted to pass a House version of the Trump bill that did exactly what he said he would vote against.
Republicans like Van Orden at some levels, you can see they understand cuts to healthcare would be devastating their communities.
Crossing Trump would be devastating to their future political prospects.
Not to mention it probably involves like having to deal with a lot more security, frankly.
Yeah,
it's why Republicans have been lying so consistent system Lee to their own constituents about just what the bill does All right, that's so we're not cutting Medicaid Let's get
we've all said that let's dump out of this.
Okay.
Just down down
All right, got it.
So anyway, we know where Derek stands on this thing, you know, so he voted for it anyway.
So he sent a memo out to Governor Evers saying the state budget includes an increase to the state provider tax rate, which by the way, state providers of health care in the state contribute a little bit of money to Medicaid in order to pay for all of these things that are going on in the state, the real hospitals and the care that they get.
And that is going away under the new bill.
the big bad bill in Congress right now.
That goes away for some states, but there is an exemption, and that is that the states that did not sign on to expand at Medicaid get to keep whatever form of tax they had upon these healthcare providers.
So it's a Medicaid expansion state that can't do that, but Wisconsin isn't part of that.
So there's this...
They allow 6% to remain untouched in this new bill, but Wisconsin has a 1.7% tax rate that goes to help Medicaid.
pay for all of the services that they provide.
So anyway, he says pass this bill, pass this bill in
the
state.
So
we can keep our, we actually, I think they're increasing this from 1.7 to 6% in the state budget.
I'm not sure.
I'd have to check on that.
But anyway, he's begging the governor to sign it.
Well, the governor signed it.
So now we're all safe and ready to go.
But he was panicking.
He wanted the governor, a Democratic governor to bail his ass out.
That's that's my point.
That's why I'm bottom line
here.
Whoo.
That was a long explanation.
I know the diagram that out Wisconsin still confused
Wisconsin's provider tax rate has not been updated
for a long time and a big, beautiful bill will allow non-Medicaid expansion states like Wisconsin with provider tax rates to remain untouched.
So he wanted
to
make sure that we still had that tax to support those rural hospitals.
And Governor Evers went along with it and helped him out.
That's
what we
do.
We help those Republicans out.
Yes, they need all the help they can get.
Okay.
659 in our next hour, we'll talk to Jim Santel, attorney at law, find out the latest at the Supreme Court level and local.
issues as well, and a special surprise, yes, sometime in the seven o'clock hour.
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Wow.
So many things are going on today.
It's just ridiculous.
I mean, you know, the state passed their budget.
We have Hakeem Jeffries.
Just out there on the floor of the house, wasting a lot of time making people shift in their seats, wondering what's going to happen next.
If this passes, then a lot of really bad things are going to happen in this country.
And
also the Wisconsin State Supreme Court decision.
Yeah, yes absolutely allowing abortions in this state and and these are laws that were passed by mostly Scott Walker and the administration at that time putting limitations in and requirements that were unnecessary medically unnecessary but because of those laws
it kind of did away with the constitutional amendment banning abortions because we kept adding new laws on it which supersede and that's what the Supreme Court decided in the end was well we have new laws that deal with this and we're gonna go with those.
Yeah.
So we'll talk to Jim Santel a little bit later on and turn it into law.
His opinion on that.
But I think the law should have just been abandoned anyway because women didn't have a right to vote at that time.
Just on that basis alone, I think they should have at least rejected it.
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All right, now we're going to get to Justice Rebecca Bradley's reaction to
the
abortion law by the liberal justices in just a few moments.
I just have to add this first because this is insane, right?
You know, they're trying to pass this big bad bill now in the house again.
But according to three sources with direct knowledge of the comments that Trump made recently to a bunch of Republicans at a certain meeting, apparently he is unaware that Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are being tampered with.
They were kind of surprised and shocked.
At one point, one of the Republicans in attendance piped up and reminded Trump,
We're touching Medicaid in this bill.
He didn't know that.
Well, that's what they're saying.
He didn't
know
that, really?
He doesn't know
that.
He
doesn't
know that.
He's completely clueless.
He said, we're not touching, we're not touching.
He kept saying it, and no one has corrected him.
They finally did correct him, but that hasn't changed what he's still saying.
So, yeah, now it's a big surprise.
Oh,
boy.
And by
the way, they're all gonna deny they knew anything about touching Medicaid.
Oh, boy.
As people drop off and more people become uninsured at this point.
But
let's get to...
Justice Rebecca Bradley is running for reelection next year and and and and she
came out very strongly against the decision to allow abortion in Wisconsin.
She called the majority opinion, setting aside the 1849 abortion law, a parody of progressive politics, which doesn't sound very legal to me.
It sounds a little more political, I think.
What do you think?
Parody of political, what?
a parody of progressive politics.
But it is an unhinged political rant, basically.
And it's devoid of substance.
So why don't we just check out what she has said here.
This is, in her opinion, the liberal majority not only does violence to a single statute, it defies the people's sovereignty.
What?
And what does that mean exactly?
And remember again, in 1849 women didn't have the right to vote at that time.
And now because of the new laws, the 20-week cutoff point and all the other things that Scott Walker decided to throw in that weren't medically necessary, because of that, it made the 1849 law obsolete.
So that's what the liberal justices decided.
So, challenge.
Let's try and find out if there's any legal opinion, any of what Justice Bradley is saying here, okay?
Chief Justice Jill Karofsky rewrites history, erases and insults women by referring to mothers as pregnant people.
You know, again, that's not a political opinion.
That's her point of view.
Slander's proponents of the pro-life perspective.
Well, that's not a legal opinion either.
That's a pro-life group.
that has nothing to do with this, and broadcasts dangerously false narratives about laws restricting abortion, laden with emotion, steeped in myth, and light on law, the concurrence reads as a parody of progressive politics rather than the opinion of a jurist.
My goodness sakes.
What?
Can you imagine what you must have thought when the justices at the national Supreme Court level gave Trump immunity?
Out of the clear blue sky, right?
It's not in it's not in the Constitution,
but they
decided to do that anyway Okay, so justice candidate and appeals court judge Chris Taylor who's running against her notice that we're She said this Rebecca Bradley's dissent can
constitutes an unhinged political rant devoid of recent legal analysis, using politically charged language unsuited for any judge, let alone a Supreme Court justice.
Rebecca Bradley continues to be more concerned with forcing her own right wing agenda onto the people of our state than protecting our most basic constitutional rights and freedoms.
Wow.
Yeah, it's a strong, strong statement against Rebecca Bradley.
Normally she wouldn't have said that.
She's a circuit appeals court judge, Chris Taylor.
She used to be in the legislature as well.
So I want to give you a little history of Rebecca Bradley.
Again, you heard her comments as I read them.
No legal opinion whatsoever.
Let's listen to her appearance way back when when she was running for the Supreme Court
Mike Goucher's upfront program, and this is this is her being interviewed with by Mike Goucher listen
But your critics take note of the fact that you were once a member of the Republican National Lawyers Association And if you go to their website you see them talk about
the goal of advancing Republican ideals.
And quoting from their website, it says, the RNLA further builds the Republican Party's goals and ideals through a nationwide network of supportive lawyers who understand and directly support Republican policy agendas and candidates.
So you say you're going to be free of political agendas, but you've belonged at one time to a group that promotes a political agenda.
How can you tell people that you will be impartial given that?
Well, when I became a judge, I set aside all of my political inclinations, and that was in the past.
As a jurist, I do not belong to any political party.
And the principles that I apply to the laws that I have to apply and in my decision making are the same principles, whether it's a Democratic legislature or a Republican legislature that hasn't acted the law.
And I'm very able to set aside, again, my
personal
beliefs and my
political inclinations.
We all have them,
but the
job of a judge, the duty of a judge is to set all of that aside
and I have a
record of doing
that.
Set it aside.
I'm sure she did that.
You can tell from this next cut that she said all of that stuff aside.
Let's listen to her little rant about the tyrants during COVID.
Listen.
Which reads in part that all people have certain inherent rights.
Among these are like to direct your attention to article one, section one of the Wisconsin Constitution, which reads in part that all people have certain inherent rights.
Among these are liberty.
To secure these rights, governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent.
of the governed.
My question for you is where in the Constitution did the people of Wisconsin confer authority on a single unelected cabinet secretary to compel almost six million people to stay at home and close their businesses and face imprisonment if they don't comply with no input from the legislature without the consent of the people?
Isn't it the very definition of tyranny for one person
to order people to be imprisoned for going to work, among other ordinarily lawful activities.
Where does the Constitution say that's permissible counsel?
The Constitution provides that the legislature may enact statutes to protect the public health.
And that is exactly what the legislature has done in chapter 2502 sub three, four and six.
So I think that expression of legislative intent that grants DHS the power
to do whatever is necessary to combat a novel, deadly, communicable disease like the one we're facing today is where we find that consent.
I'll direct your attention to another time in history in the Kormatsu decision where the court said the need for action was great and time was short and that justified, and I'm quoting, assembling together and placing under guard all those of Japanese ancestry in assembly centers during World War II.
Could the secretary under this broad delegation of legislative power or legislative-like power order people out of their homes into centers where they are properly socially distanced in order to combat the pandemic?
Your Honor, Korematsu was an equal protection challenge to the action that the government took to address the crisis.
This is not a substantive constitutional challenge to what DHS has
done.
That is not a good comparison, right?
I mean, we're talking about the Department of Health making a decision to protect human life in this country or in this state in this particular instance, and it had nothing to do with, you know, rounding up Japanese people and putting them in camps.
See, she made that
comparison in some weird way and it should never have happened.
So then we had a recent election for the Supreme Court Justice and Justice Crawford got elected in and Justice Bradley decided to chime in and say some really nasty things that had nothing to do with the law or any legal issues.
Listen to this.
I'm really personally and professionally disappointed that Judge Shema lost to Judge Crawford.
I think it's going to result in terrible consequences for the state of Wisconsin and for the state of the judiciary.
My four colleagues have politicized our court in a terrible manner.
They make political decisions all the time.
They rule 100 percent for the Democratic Party.
In every case that's presented to them, we have an opportunity to return the court to what it should be, which is deciding cases under the law.
What
it
should be we're simply going to see more politicization of the judiciary I also think the way judge Crawford ran her race was disgusting.
She slandered a good man.
Judge Schimmel.
We saw this last time
against
Justice Kelly It's really sickening and I hope next time the people will see through the lies that are Misportray good people in these ads.
All right, so again, you know certainly no legal issue there
You know, the court should have been under the jurisdiction of conservatives.
I mean, they're the ones who should be running the court, apparently, according to at least Rebecca Bradley, who is the worst, by the way, the worst justice we've ever had on our Supreme Court ever.
In your opinion.
No.
I know
I'm
right on those.
Okay.
All right.
Go with that.
I'm not mincing words
there.
It is 19 minutes past the hour and coming up a little bit later.
In fact, right around the corner, we'll talk to Jim Santel, attorney at law, get the latest from him.
Wait till you hear this.
Yeah.
Trump is already planning for next year's big celebration of the country.
250 years.
Yeah.
Oh,
you won't believe what they've got.
I'm not sure I want to know.
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Well, we were talking about Rebecca Bradley, and we got a text here from Donna out in the forest saying, Judge Becky B sounds like she needs a calm, relaxing retirement ASAP.
Yeah, you know, maybe it's time.
If she, if she hates working with these liberals on the court, why not just retire her?
I mean, why, why, why be a part of it?
Right.
Yeah.
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waiting here.
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Mark is on the line.
What do you got for us, Mark?
Good morning,
Mark.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Rebecca Bradley was bringing up the whole COVID thing.
What was her position on?
that to present Typhoid Mary because she refused to, because she was spreading typhus at that point in time.
Yes, it was horrible that she had to be isolated from the community, but that was a way to protect the community.
And that's what the COVID restrictions were doing.
And for her talking about Kromatsu and the internment of the Japanese and America.
That was horrible.
But I don't hear her out there howling about Donald Trump.
setting up his alligator alcatraz.
So I haven't heard her screaming about that and how horrible that is because she's not going to do it because those are disgusting brown people that she thinks should be, you know, I don't think I have any rights at all.
I mean, these are persons under the law.
I don't hear her complain about all these, the snatching up of people off the streets to clear without warrant, which is clearly a violation of the constitution that, um,
A
warrant is required to seize any person.
I mean, it's pure and simple in there.
And what do you say?
Well, they're not persons because they're not citizens.
Well, no, the Constitution says person doesn't make that distinction.
Yep.
All right, Mark.
Thanks for that.
We've got to kind
of move along here.
We've got a big, big event coming up next year.
And Trump is talking about, by the way, you know, ICE agents aren't elected either.
You know, that whole department isn't elected.
Yeah.
So, and they're making decisions to deport people.
Yeah.
So, okay.
All right, Rebecca, explain that one.
All right.
Anyway, this is a big event.
It's called the Big 250.
250 years.
It celebrates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence, and Trump is expecting to make big plans for that.
This is from NPR.
Check it out.
So some of our listeners might recall the bicentennial celebrating the 200th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence and America's putting its party hat on again for the 250th anniversary.
The organisers are planning something ambitious.
The most inspiring celebration this country has ever seen and perhaps the world has ever seen.
But there's also now a White House planning group, is that right?
Yes, so
Rosie Rios's group, that's the America 250 Commission and then
there's something called Task Force 250.
Now, the commission has been doing a bunch of its own programming for the past couple of years.
But right now, its website seems to be prioritizing events led by the White House over its own tentpole initiatives.
For example, there's the America 250 kickoff celebration you mentioned, where Trump is expected to announce plans for a great America State Fair in 2026 and a federally backed Patriot Games highlighting American
sports.
Well, every state and many cities.
are going to organise events over the next year.
Some very local programming is going to happen.
For example, in Idaho, there's this display of giant fabric potatoes dressed up like revolutionary war figures.
What?
Yeah.
So lots of American quirkiness.
OK.
Yeah.
But at the national level, there are ongoing initiatives
like, for
example, America's Field Trip.
150 school kids are part of this.
They get to go on these all-expenses-paid visits to famous landmarks.
Also, there's Trump's National Garden of America.
heroes.
That's a proposed sculpture park.
There's going to be 250 statues of American figures like George Washington, Babe Ruth, and Martin Luther
King.
I should also note that at the national level, plans are in flux.
For
example, an online portal for a big project launched two years ago called America's Invitation, which was inviting the public to upload messages expressing their hopes and dreams for the future of the country.
That
whole project seems to have vanished from the America 250 website
that happened a few
weeks ago.
America 250 Commission Press team and they.
told NPR, the initiative is now, quote, taking a backseat at other things.
Chloe, the whole time you've been talking, I've been thinking about an administration that says it wants to cut funding.
So how is this big American party being funded?
It's a big spag.
The organizers are seeking $150 million from Congress.
They've secured sponsorships from Coca-Cola, Lockheed Martin and other corporations.
Plus, the White House has redirected thousands of federal grants previously awarded to arts and humanities.
to 250th celebration projects, for example, the National Garden of American Heroes.
National Garden of American Heroes.
It's a big spag.
That is outrageous.
I mean, and plus, actually, having something called Patriot Games.
What?
I mean, do you watch the movie?
Have you seen the
movie?
Yeah.
Oh
my God.
Wow.
Really?
That's what's on the books.
Yeah, they're planning that.
And by the way, the Great American State Fair?
They used to call them like world's fairs in this country, right?
Yes.
Or it could be a national state fair, but
a
state fair.
Oh my God.
These any sense at all.
And they're directing, you know, all this money.
Yeah, they're taking away all this health care from rural America and they're going to spend it on the big 250 celebration.
Yeah,
a year from now.
Crazy.
Oh, boy.
Oh my gosh.
All right, Dick.
We'll have to get to your call.
Hold on.
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We're not in the studio, but we'll be talking to him in just a few moments as well.
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And man, you have been awful busy, Jim.
A lot of stuff trying to explain.
And there's so many court decisions.
But let's get to the one that's more local from the state Supreme Court in regards to the abortion ban that was in place for a while.
Explain the decision from the Supreme Court.
The liberals of the Supreme Court Justice, as Rebecca Bradley would refer to it, boy, she's pretty bad.
I explain that she is the worst justice we have on the court, but Michael Gabelman was pretty bad too, who lost his license, didn't he?
Didn't they
pull it in various forms of trouble, right?
It's
called
contempt.
It's lying to the court misrepresenting all kinds of things that lawyers and judges Generally, here's your advice for the morning anybody out there probably should not do we generally a bad idea
to
go down those roads
So yeah, but yeah explain that what what the thinking was by the Supreme Court in doing away with the 1849 law
All right, so you've got this 1849 law and the Supreme Court says basically it's so old that many other things have happened in the interim.
Here's what the majority says, comprehensive legislation in this area with respect to reproductive rights and abortion.
Over the last 50 years, regulating in detail the who, what, where, when, and how abortion so thoroughly covers the entire subject that it was meant as a substitute
for the 19th century near total ban.
Basically, so many things have happened legislatively that time.
It's no longer law.
Goes on to say that the court has historically set a very high bar for those implied repeal.
But in this case, the legislature had met that bar by reversing state law and abortion.
Goes on to say these statutes specify often an extraordinary detail.
This is Rebecca Dallett writing on behalf of the majority, the answer to nearly every conceivable question.
Who may perform abortions only doctors?
Where may abortions be performed within 30 miles of a hospital where the doctor is admitting privileges?
When may abortions be performed prior to viability or 20 weeks of pregnancy and goes on and on?
Bottom line is so much specificity and so much legislation since 1849 that it's, she doesn't say it's laughable, but that notion that somehow the 1849 law is still in effect.
Painly been superseded, overcome, overtaken by everything since then.
Well, we have to think about sovereignty, Rebecca Bradley said.
You know, so many things have changed.
And for some reason, you know, the Republicans put a lot of these restrictions in place, so they were superseding this law all along.
So they actually precipitated this change.
Absolutely, to the extent that any legislator, again, since 1849 has been a part of this, going down that road implicitly, if not explicitly saying, hey, the 1849 law, not good anymore.
And frankly, this doesn't happen all the time.
But as you know, legislatures, state legislature, the federal legislature routinely comes in and updates the law.
Why?
because the world changes, does it not?
And life changes and the world in which we live needs to reflect that.
That's a good judiciary.
That's not not so-called wild activist judges.
Those are people who are interpreting the Constitution as it should in contemporary common sense understandings.
That's right.
And at least one conservative justice voted with liberals.
So that kind of worked out well.
for us anyway, and now we have this standard in place.
And now we can move on to other things, including decision to ban national injunctions, essentially.
I can't even understand how this is even possible.
Look, we're the United States, right?
If you break something in the Constitution, it should be called out, and it should be stopped nationwide.
Am I crazy?
What's going on?
You are not crazy and they're at least unfortunately, John, they're only three justices.
You are crazy, but you have a point.
And you are in the good company of people like Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan and Kenji Brown Jackson who looked at this and predicted an awful lot of bad things.
when it comes to the courts.
It is a bit wonky, I understand that, but that's the notion.
You've pointed out exactly how this plays out.
If there is something that's happening, whether it's in Western Wisconsin, where you are in Madison, Eastern Wisconsin, or any district around the country, I come in and I say something about, for example, let's pick something other than birthright citizenship.
Let's talk, for example, about First Amendment rights.
Suppose somebody comes in and says,
A president comes in and says, I'm going to ban, I'm going to ban the exercise of religion or specific religion in America.
Or for example, go to the Second Amendment.
I'm going to ban all guns in America.
Well, we know that those things are apparently unconstitutional.
What the Supreme Court says, you can't do that anymore.
What you need to do is you need to go to an individual judge in your district.
and get your specific right in that venue vindicated.
The judge will probably say it's unconstitutional, but that notion that it would apply across the board in a plainly, plainly applicable way, that's what the Supreme Court majority, again, Amy Coney Barrett, writing this opinion.
And that's what they said.
What I was hoping that they would do, this is what came out of the oral argument.
She was talking about a rule that basically says, yeah, there may be those things that are regional, that are local, that apply just to the
three or four of us, that sort of thing.
And you enjoy that playing that continues and maybe even broader than that as to a particular district.
But there are these big ticket items that perhaps we can, in fact, embrace.
They're subject to appeal and defining a rule, a rule for the lower district court judges about what kinds of topics big ticket items can, in fact, be nationally enjoined and which ones are more regional.
She decided not to do that instead just said we're done with that.
horrific consequences, not just for birthright citizenship, but for many other things you can imagine happening not only for this presidency, but if again, assuming we have future presidents that future presidents may also do of all sides of the aisle,
right?
I hope we do have future president somewhere along the
way.
Well, tough to tell if that's going to happen
now.
Jim, you know, all of this stuff, it seems like
The Supreme Court can't make a decision about anything.
They put on hold abortion laws in Texas and it allowed people to go out and turn people in that they suspect to have had an abortion or is planning an abortion.
They create more chaos with their decisions than anything else.
Absolutely.
And so let's get back to birthright citizenship is where this started.
How wonderful it would be.
If a majority, frankly, if all of our Supreme Court justices had simply said, you know what?
When the 14th Amendment was passed, 1869, it meant what it said and said what it meant.
If you're born here geographically, you're a citizen.
You may not like that, but that's what the Constitution says.
Yes.
And it is applied across the Supreme Court has said that, frankly, in a major case coming out of the Ninth Circuit a number of years ago, but how clean that would have been.
Just say that, right?
And say the president's directive this order is wrong and move on.
and we don't get all this collateral stuff that mucks up the
way
that things happen and that provide us with lack of clarity on the underlying issue.
That's the challenge.
Now we had a decision on the Affordable Care Act as well and that was the decision where people can get examinations for free.
Somebody was challenging that, didn't want his money, his corporation's money to go pay for other people's preventive medicine.
Exactly.
And that's the big word.
It's all about prevention.
It's in the Affordable Care Act.
And basically, again, to get a bit in the weeds, the Affordable Care Act establishes some task forces.
They're staff by who, people who know what they're talking about, medical doctors and health care professionals, all kinds of folks.
And they look at the kinds of preventive health care that makes sense.
So, for example, diabetes screening.
cancer screening, all kinds of things that keep you from getting ill, right?
And if indeed those are adopted as being appropriate preventive cares that can be provided, they are covered and they're covered for insurance companies under the Affordable Care Act.
The Supreme Court looked at that and said, yes, had to do with whether or not the task force members are properly appointed when they've got the authority to do what they're doing.
In the end, thankfully,
This Supreme Court said, yes, indeed, by a vote of six to three, a different combination of six to three, they can stand.
So the Affordable Care Act does survive this term of the Supreme Court as it has done in previous years.
Big victory.
Talking to Jim Santel, attorney at law, amicus law review.
You can hear it every Saturday on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Jim, what about what is this about parental veto of grade school curriculum?
This I have not heard much about what's going on there.
It's a big one just because the first thing for the immediate issue, but for the consequences of all this comes out of Maryland.
Again, lots of facts here, lots of history here, but Maryland's school district basically had said and provided parents with a mechanism for parents to opt out if based upon their religious beliefs, they did not want their school-aged children
to be exposed to storybooks that talked about somebody having two dads and LGBT issues and those kinds of things.
In the end, the school district said, this is way too difficult to administer, too much craziness and all this.
And so they said, no more opting out.
Supreme Court said, you can't do that.
You've got to permit parents to opt out.
That's now the law in Maryland and presumably in other areas.
And so the concern there is I wake up in the morning and see my religion tells me that, oh, I don't want my child exposed to a situation where a mother would would be working in the real workplace.
Can I opt out for that?
All sorts of consequences
from that
process.
Yeah, that's crazy stuff.
Well, the consequences will find out how that all plays out in the future.
in future cases as well.
Jim, we got to take a break here and we got to say goodbye.
We've got a special guest coming up in our next break.
So appreciate your input on this and we'll have you back next week.
Thank you,
Jim.
I have the Independence Day 249 years.
249
years.
Celebrate.
Celebrate, yes.
We are.
Jim Santel, our Amica Solar Review every weekend on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Coming back with a surprise guest next.
Well kids, there it is, Capital City!
It's a big day in Capital City, that's for sure
with Johnny
Gordy in the morning.
There's a swingin' town I know called Capital City.
This is WMDX, Johnny Gordy and
uh...
We
have
a
special
surprise
guest.
I'm not that big a deal.
Why would you promote me just stopping in the studio like I do every day?
I'm not special.
Actually, Catherine,
it's not about
you.
We're
not talking about you.
Sorry.
All
right.
And Jim Santel is still with
us.
Yes.
And of course, Dom, our producer, and stop.
Let's go to our special guest who's on the phone line right now.
It's our former producer, Sam Davison.
You have Sam Davison?
Hi, Sam.
Where
are
you and what are you?
Well, we're doing OK, but where are you and what are you doing now?
You're at camp, right?
I'm a little north of Ryan Lander, Wisconsin at Tosoma Scout Camp right now.
Wow.
And tell everybody what you're doing up here.
Are you scouting boys up there?
Stop it.
Yeah, that's
what I'm doing, John.
No.
Well, what I'm doing this summer, we've got a new building that kind of combined our camp store and the business and technology center.
So I'm running that building.
I'm slinging slushy to the kids.
They've got to get their sugar high.
Cool.
A lot of fun stuff happening up here.
Oh, yeah.
Do you spike some of that slushie sometimes when the kids are
asleep?
You'd like that wouldn't you?
I think you would like it.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
Give me a little break here.
I remember being in camp when I was a kid and going to sleep and waking up about five seconds later.
I remember the feeling of all that fresh air and all the activity and you put us down in our tents and then you're awake again.
Yeah, I
like a light and then
the
next day already.
Yeah, how many kids are up there with you?
Yeah Well, the reason I didn't call you last week is because it was our biggest one of the summer and I was just so tired but this one is our smallest of the summer actually we've got
something around 200 people
here how many counselors
how many counselors there's I don't know probably 200
year
70
oh okay 60 years
yeah but that's that's spread across like this camp and then there's one at the south end of the lake for for little kids but during the week they help us out they just have stuff going on on the weekends
that's a lot of kids to wrangle
Mm-hmm.
Yeah sounds like funny.
You have like a project say Jim you have a question for
I I do Sam It's Jim great great to hear from you glad to hear things going.
Well, so my questions are two number one Are you working on lanyards the infamous lanyards of every summer campers gotta put together for his mom?
I'm assuming those are part of your your assignment there
I they're not actually I gotta start start getting lanyards together
My second question is just about food beyond the slushy stuff How's the food what kinds of things are are we consuming at camp these days?
Yeah Well, I'm probably eating better than I was living on my
own
But a lot of it is like food that kids would like like corn dogs and chicken nuggets and stuff like that so
Uh, I'm warming up to it.
Let's say that.
Yeah.
When I was a Girl Scout, once again, Bunsen Burners making my own meals in camp.
Oh, my God.
Bunsen Burners.
Yes, Bunsen's.
Yes.
What?
Cooking my own damn food over at Bunsen Burner.
Did they know you were doing this?
No, yes, it was a thing.
Well, we used to have variety packs of cereal.
Yes,
yes, yes.
That was bad stuff.
So there are a lot of physical activities up there.
You have swimming and, you know, do you do races or what?
Olympic
week or something like that.
Yeah, there's I'm sitting right in front of the lake right now today was sort of my morning off But I got up early ish anyway to call you guys.
I'm sitting in front of the lake There's I don't know.
There's a field the kids get run around in Did
you bring your styrofoam boat up there with you?
What's the name of the lake again
It's crystal lake.
Oh sure.
What's the name of the boat?
That's the name.
Oh,
yeah, do you have a name for the boat?
It
don't.
You can stencil something on the back of that styrofoam.
I don't
know.
If I, like, christen it and try and hit it with a wine bottle, I'll just put a dent in it or break it.
That's true.
Well, yeah, you've got the spray can of paint.
I mean, you could always name it very easily and
quickly.
We got a question from one of our listeners.
Donna says, good to hear from Sam again.
Mosquitoes just seem to be erupting the last few days.
And Madison, have they hit the north yet, there too?
Yeah.
You know when I first got up here, they were kind of bad, but I think I've gotten acclimated to them at this point.
We've come to terms So
what's
the deal you're up there all summer
This is week two of seven and then we got a little bit of cleanup after that I'll be I'll be back
in every
mid-August sometime
And every week Sam is a different group of campers.
Yes
They come in on Sunday,
Monday.
Well,
that's crazy.
They come
in Sunday, Sunday afternoon and they leave Saturday morning.
Wow.
and they graduate and you give them a certificate of completion along with their lanyards.
It's going to be a part of the future curriculum.
Dom, any question from the producer corner?
Seriously?
Sam, how
am I doing?
How am I doing,
Sam?
That's a good question.
OK, I'm not going to lie.
Well, I texted you probably like a month ago now when I went to go get this pinball machine.
That was the last time I actually listened to the show before this.
That's
right.
But I listened to all of our two thus far today, and you're doing great.
Oh
man, Sam, it's due to you.
I appreciate you saying.
Good training.
Appreciate you.
Good training.
Well, good deal, Sam.
Don't say anything about the talk show host, though, OK?
Whatever you're doing, talk
about it.
Oh, yeah,
they need some work.
Oh, yeah.
OK.
Sam, great to hear from you.
And have a good time the rest of the summer, and check in again, OK?
We'll do.
We'll do.
All right.
We miss you.
Thank you, Sam.
But yeah.
Well, not that much.
I'm not kidding.
I want to know how the pinball machine went.
Well, yeah.
Oh, sorry.
All right.
Sam, thank you again, and have a good summer up there.
That is going to do it.
Jim Santel, thank you.
Thanks for joining us,
Captain.
Happy Independence
Day,
everybody.
You too.
Happy Independence Day.
Everybody have a good and safe Fourth of July holiday weekend.
We'll talk to you with a new show on Monday.
We have a best of show tomorrow.
Have a great weekend.
Happy Fourth of July and we'll see you later.
Yeah, solo.
