The Sultan of Garbage (Hour 1)

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The Sultan of Garbage (Hour 1)

John & Gordy · Tue Jul 1, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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When the chips are down and democracy's back is up against the wall, two radio veterans step up to the microphone to right the wrongs, standing for truth, justice, and just because.

To say what needs to be said.

It's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.

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It is a beautiful sunny day so far.

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Hey, this is Parker

from Mornings with Pat Crite Low.

I just wanted to tell John real quick to shut his yap.

Yeah, these are just

test notes.

We were just testing it out, and those are the only ones.

No,

we have one.

We have

several.

Well, yeah, we have several.

Matt.

Matt did one, yeah.

That

black hole noise.

is what happens inside Trump's head every second of every day.

I love that.

Thank

you, Matt.

Seven minutes past the hour.

Happy July.

Hey, it's the first day of the new month.

Beautiful sunshine this morning, and it looks like it's going to stay bright and sunny all day long.

Right now, 63 degrees on the official WMDX thermometer outside our window here overlooking State Street.

I do

have an idea.

I think

we should

put that black hole noise

underneath as you bed.

Underneath.

Under the bed.

Oh, yeah.

That is a good idea.

Let's do

that.

Lead into it with that sound first and then a snag come in and then just incorporate that.

See, it

was

very creepy.

It was scary,

yes.

That's scary.

It

scared Brittany.

It scared Brittany?

Yeah.

Did it?

It did,

yeah.

I think that's why she's not showing up for most

of these.

Yeah, she's off.

She's off today.

She's off.

Yeah.

Well, it's that time of year.

You know, you get into July and people start taking vacation days, personal days, sick days, this day, that day, gone

more than they're

here.

Being in radio, I never had those options.

No.

No, being on the air, we don't get many of those

options.

That's right.

But we're very busy in the summer, normally

interpersonal appearances, all the fairs,

signing

autographs.

Yeah, signing autographs.

Yeah.

Do all

that

stuff.

TV guys do

that.

Oh, not radio

guys.

That's

right.

TV people have made.

Oh, they do.

Everybody does everything for them.

They just show up, you know, for a couple.

20-30 minutes, and then they're gone.

This is a dirty background story about TV people.

They do.

Wow.

They have assistants running around, getting them coffee and donuts.

People doing their makeup for them, buying them wardrobe items.

It sounds like from experience here, Gordy.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, definitely.

Speaking of all the trash.

Yeah, I was in TV for about 30 years altogether, and that was enough.

It was way too much, actually.

But, you know, back to radio, back where, you know, it really matters, you know, this is a better meeting.

I agree.

All the way around.

Yeah, this is where it's at.

Get more truth.

Yeah.

Let's happy talk.

Remember happy talk?

No.

Those were the days.

Just anything positive is gone and he

is

straight.

Just no more happy

talk.

No, no, it's just depressing.

One depressing thing happened.

Not

only is it depressing, but we try to package it in a very smiley faced way.

Hey, well.

But we, you know, we, we, we gauge which horror story is least horrific.

That's right.

So those are

the stories

we're bringing you each and every morning.

Exactly.

That's what we try to do.

Doug said, have you thought about getting an auto pen to sign your autographs?

We already have that, Doug.

Thank

you.

That's, did that.

Okay.

You can call us 608-879-8255.

Let us know what's going on in your world this morning.

The Senate has been up all night doing whatever they're doing with this big beautiful bastardized bill as they try to figure out how to sign it and then run away, run out of town and hide.

They still

haven't figured that out yet.

The sad part, I think, is that the media seems to love this.

I guess.

I don't know why they're making a big deal about it.

It's just a nightmare.

They can't get anything together.

what is on the table sounds horrific and is setting this country back like 50 years just

like

that

once

they pass it.

Once they pass it, it'll be all on the Republicans.

Yep.

But then it'll be on the Democrats to try to recover

after

this.

And we're being told at least 10 or 20 years to recover from what has already been done.

You know, China has filled in all the spaces that

we

left, especially with USAID.

Yeah, they're doing a lot of foreign aid, a lot of reaching out to underdeveloped countries, and that's what happens.

That's what's happening.

12 minutes past the hour.

Do we have what's worse or what's happening?

Which would you rather?

What are

we going to do?

What is the name of this thing?

Would you rather?

Would you rather?

Ah, would you rather?

Let's

do some would you rather.

All right, let's try this.

All right, first question.

Would you rather have eyes that can capture everything on video or ears that can record all sounds?

Tom you stay up way too late at night

Well, you know pretty soon you'll be able to wear a pair of glasses that will record everything you're seeing

yeah, that is true snap

snap photos

really

videos

And it'll record it to your phone.

You don't have to carry your phone with you, but yeah, it Bluetooth sit into your phone and you record a whole bunch of stuff So I don't know I guess I'd go with you know, whatever I hear is

recorded

because a

lot of times

I want to go back and hear a song Mm-hmm.

I'm thinking what was that?

Yeah, if I could just go back

and rewind

I would agree with that.

I'm on the same page.

You

persuaded all three of us because you're all two of us.

I agree with that too.

All right.

All right.

Second question.

Would you rather have a family member forget your birthday or you forget theirs?

This one's kind of simple.

Would you rather have a family member that forgets your birthday or you forget their birthday?

Uh, I would rather they forget my birthday because I would normally naturally forget theirs.

So I get two with one.

Okay, all right.

Gordy, what about you?

I think I forget almost everybody's birthday, so I already got that covered.

Gordy, you remembered mine.

I remember my birthday.

I did?

Yeah.

I think I only remembered it because somebody told me maybe 20 seconds before I saw you coming down the hallway.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, I think I would rather have a family member forget my birthday.

I couldn't

forget someone else's.

And then third and final question, would you rather live in a tiny home in your dream location or a mansion in a place you dislike?

Oh, tiny home.

Tiny home.

Take that.

Yeah, easy.

That's easy.

Yeah.

What about you, John?

In a place where you didn't like.

Yes, a place where you dislike.

Really, you have to take this over.

Tiny home, dream location, mansion, place you dislike.

I'll take the mansion and I'll just change the neighborhood.

You know, I'll play the music really loud.

Eliminate a few neighbors.

Along the way Wow, what about you don't I think I would live in a tiny home in my in my dream location Yeah, I think that's

just tiny home easy to take care of

combo just

me anyway Well, you know, it's great for you guys single guys, but

you

know for me And

that's

right in the hell I'm a tiny home Plus, you know, I when you live in a mansion in an neighborhood you don't like mm-hmm it becomes a challenge

To irritate your neighbors in some way shape or form so each and every week can come up with a new thing right to bother them

You don't have to worry about your neighbors this also sounds like from experience to this is you know,

no No, but I I've planned Yeah, I've been

planning you got a plan

just ended up in a good good neighborhood.

I think

you did.

Yeah, it's a beautiful place really

Ah, let's see.

It is 15 minutes past the hour.

Coming up a little bit later on, we're going to talk to an author who has a novel called The Sultan of Garbage.

But he did a lot of research on the garbage that floats around in the ocean.

You know, we've heard about that for a long time.

Yeah.

I guess that novel, well, we'll talk to Brian Bellafont and he'll tell us how he came up with that.

Yes.

And then a little bit later on in our seven o'clock hour, Liz Johnston from Serenity Pet Spa.

She's got some ideas on how to keep your pets calm during the 4th of July.

It really is an extended weekend.

And it's not just the 4th of July.

It's the 5th of July.

It's the 6th of July.

People keep the firecrackers and the M80s booming.

If we could just, if we could

just make fireworks illegal

in

this state, I would be very, very happy.

Maybe that should be a question of the day, right?

Really?

What, get rid of

fireworks all together?

Home fireworks, you know, I'm done with those.

Home fireworks, that's a good idea.

Let's go to the phones.

Catherine is on the line this morning.

She's got something to offer.

Good morning, Catherine.

Well, first of all if you open another show without introducing Dominic Lee one more time I'm gonna have a fit.

He is the best thing going right

now for

you guys This this I am speaking for all listeners who think oh this is the best bit because it makes us get to know you a little more and the fun part is Deciding how you're going to answer it because I knew

You would take a tiny house, Gordy.

You don't need the space.

And John just totally admitted that he has a plan why his kids are still in the house.

He has orchestrated this.

He doesn't have to die alone.

He never will die alone.

His boys will be surrounding

him

forever and you can't do it in a tiny house.

That's

right.

And you're talking about

alienating your neighbors.

That's exactly what you did.

You've done this.

You live in a mansion in a great neighborhood because it was, you know, not as great until you started pissing people off.

Exactly.

Exactly.

You see, I haven't like, you know, three different neighbors so far.

And that was unintentional.

I've got to figure

out how I did

that.

Okay.

Take care of the humidity problem in your home there.

Catherine.

She she she's

gone.

She's gone down here.

What was the humidity problem?

Well, actually, her computer apparently shut down because of humidity.

I don't

know what kind of error message she got.

Weird.

It's a different one.

And I never got one of those myself.

But

I

think, you know, like my suggestion was to just, you know, take a blower.

and hit the fans, take the dust off the fans in the ventilation system and the one that cools the CPU, and make sure that all of that stuff is cleaned off and the computer's running cooler.

Okay.

That's just a,

you know, just as John tip right there.

Oh, thank you for that.

Thanks for sharing.

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Well, it's not easy living in the USA anymore, is it?

Nope.

Yep, get ready for a big Fourth of July celebrations this year.

Okay, it's 63 degrees, highs today in the low 80s, bright, beautiful sunshine all day long.

It's going to be gorgeous.

Yeah.

Enjoy it.

Well, you know, everybody's talking about the Trump fragrance line of perfumes.

What what yeah came out with this

now if you if you really want a little tip here Okay, this is the John and Gordy tip of the day all you have to do is is program into your computer Get Trump Get Trump.

This is you know in your address bar.

Okay, and then just put whatever you want after that, you know Get Trump watches get Trump

posters,

nose rings,

uh, said a masochistic clothing.

How

about toaster ovens?

Toasterofheads.com.

And they're there.

And if you go out and you get to the fragrances, oh, the fragrances, they come in fight, fight, fight in victory 47.

You can just smell the success, can't you?

Or.

or fight, fight, fight, and victory 47 for women.

Oh

my gosh.

Wow.

You just want to smell that.

I'm looking, looking at it right now under, uh, what is it?

Get Trump fragrances, fragrances.com.

They got a little statue on top of the little perfume bottles there.

They do a

statue.

Who's that supposed to be?

I think

that is Trump.

Oh, that's not in gold.

It doesn't look like anything like him

in gold.

Well, you know, you can't

trim.

He

looks.

Yeah.

But at the same time, the gold just doesn't look like real gold.

You know what I mean?

It

should have been real gold.

And it's got a signature on the bottle there.

This is from Truth Social.

Trump tweeted this.

Trump fragrances are here.

They're called Victory4547 because they're all about winning strength and success.

For men and women, get yourself a bottle and don't forget to get one for your loved ones too.

Not too early to start thinking about Christmas.

Yeah.

That's one of those practical joke gifts, right?

Enjoy, have fun, and keep winning.

Keep winning.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh, some of these items are already sold out.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

The Cologne, the Trump for Women.

It says for Christmas delivery.

They are already sold out.

Well, that's beautiful.

Oh, it's only $249 for this bottle of perfume.

And they're sold out?

Buy two, save $100.

Oh, my God.

And some of them are in stock.

Yeah, some of them are already sold out.

You got to move on these things.

You really do.

You really do.

Wow.

Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

Well, gift items for upcoming

events for

the 4th of

July.

Blow these things up.

It's been a lot of money blown up.

Why not?

How could he do this?

It's you know, just who's going to stop them.

Nobody's going to stop them.

They haven't stopped them yet.

away we go all right the king

the

king lives

the king lives

man yeah

that's crazy so you know everybody's you know is sitting in front of their television says just watching this I listen to the radio and then watch your TV at the same time we'll keep you covered on this thing the big bad battle

yeah there's no battling in the

Senate

yeah

it's just one of the worst possible

Scenarios you could ever think of this thing if it passed when it passes on I don't know if it passed it's gonna pass no matter what but when it passes it's going to be a landmark and Everybody is going to be devastated by this thing

You know, let's go to the phones mark is on the line this morning with a question or a comment.

Hey mark

Everybody's not gonna be devastated by this thing the billionaires are gonna be you know toast and once again champagne.

They don't they don't

they can easily afford uh... with you know that when they take a one-second ticks off in the clock that uh... it is just and the whole trump perfume thing is just uh... it's got to be cheap and tacky just like trump has been his entire life merchandise in the stuff like this it just is so beyond the pale of what any normal any normal thing at all and just uh... how how people managed to

Support this kind of nonsense is just beyond me.

I mean it is just that How how people think that this is actually appropriate that somebody's just saying I'm no sir But they're all terrified of saying it's saying no to the man

I mean it

is just a in the whole portrayal of him apparently um being Trim and trim and fit on the top of this perfume bottle.

That's exactly what the just started reading a Strongman by what?

by Guyette, and that's what described like Hitler, and the Hitler and Putin, and when they're portrayed in pictures, they're portrayed as like a superman.

And

it never ages.

It's always perfect.

And this figurine on top of the perfume bottle says ridiculous.

It's not even close to what he looks like.

But you know, the thing is, you know, we're being sold this stuff, but we're actually watching a guy actually, you know, violate the Constitution, the emoluments clause.

Every day.

I

don't understand how any of this could be legal or why this isn't being challenged or why isn't kicked out of office just for violating the Constitution's emoluments clause.

I don't get it.

I mean, the man cannot read the Constitution.

I mean, it galls me that the, you know, the

14th Amendment says, born in the United States.

Don't give any qualifiers about the parents.

It's for that individual alone being under the jurisdiction of the United States.

If anybody drops here in the United States, born here in the United States, unless it's a child of a diplomat, it is a citizen of the United States, and it doesn't matter what the pick you think.

Thank

you, Mark.

Thanks for your call.

Back with more after this.

As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down, until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber,

you go and do something like this.

We can duck and cover.

There's a fallen shelter right there.

There's no way to survive this, you idiot!

Idiocracy.

For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.

Oh, we've got so much of that stuff coming up in just a few moments.

Yes.

Scary.

The

Idiocracy never ends.

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Yeah, Jim and

Sarah made it a lot easier for me to hear you guys.

Yeah, as you've tried to instruct me and what to do next.

That's good.

I don't know.

No, that is good.

Not sure you got to tweak those hearing aids a little bit every once in a while.

They're working.

Okay.

What?

All right.

Okay.

Let's get to idiocracy here.

Our first one is all about the pardons.

Trump pardons and Biden.

Partons.

Well, you know, what's the difference between the two?

Right.

What is the difference?

There is a difference.

Did you know that?

There

is a

difference.

And we're going to

hear a

pardon.

Pardon.

What?

From Liz Oyer, who's she, right?

Former pardon attorney, Department of Justice.

I think she knows what she's talking about.

This is a web wisdom.

And let's listen to the differences between Trump pardons and Biden pardons.

Okay.

Every time I talk about Donald Trump's pardons, some of you ask me, what about Biden's pardons?

So let's discuss.

I'm Liz Hoyer, the former pardon attorney for the Department of Justice.

To understand the differences between Trump's pardons and Biden's, there are some basic things you need to know about the president's constitutional clemency power.

Clemency is a broad term that actually encompasses two different things.

Pardons and commutations.

A pardon wipes your slate clean.

It forgives your conviction and it erases all of the penalties from it.

A commutation just reduces your sentence.

It does not forgive your conviction.

Most of the clemencies that Biden granted were commutations.

Most of the clemencies that Trump has granted are full pardons.

In total, Trump has granted over 1,500 full pardons since January.

Biden granted only 80 full pardons in four years.

Yes, some of Biden's pardons went to his family members and that is a shame.

That is a legitimate criticism for the history books.

That does not excuse or justify what our current president is doing right now with the pardon power.

Trump's pardons have cost taxpayers over $1.3 billion in counting.

Trump and his inner circle are profiting off the pardon power by accepting donations and political favors in exchange for pardons.

I know some of you are looking for an accounting of Biden's pardons.

Court records show that Biden's pardon recipients owed collectively about $700,000 in financial penalties.

Most of them had paid off those debts before they received pardons.

That's how the pardon process is supposed to work.

But Donald Trump has turned it on its head and we, the citizens, are literally paying the price.

Not bad, huh?

Wow.

So now you

know the difference, and boy.

Is there a difference?

Big difference.

Trump gets paid for the partons.

Yeah.

And he had 1,500 of them, more than 1,500 of them since January.

Quite

unbelievable.

So a lot of those were January 6th participants.

I want to

thank Liz Hoyer, the former pardon attorney for the Department of Justice for filling us in.

Yeah.

A lot of us didn't know that.

I didn't know half of that stuff.

But wow, there are the ins and outs.

And we can see somebody who's taken advantage.

of that system.

1500 part.

I wonder if he used the automatic pen to do some of those, you know,

he actually has done that.

Yeah,

of course he has a lot.

The auto pen, the auto pen.

Trump has used the auto pen.

Well, but no one else can use it.

I just goes without saying.

Yeah.

All right.

Now, remember the anonymous author who did a book about the Trump administration?

He delivered a warning about the threat that Trump posed because of his erratic behavior.

Well,

The author was later revealed to be Miles Taylor, chief of staff for Homeland Security.

Trump called him a traitor and issued a presidential memorandum directing a federal review of private citizens for criticizing him.

Really?

Nothing wrong there.

So I have Miles Taylor here and he's going to describe this moment of clarity.

Let's listen to

this.

Idiot he's just an idiot when Donald Trump was president I remember crossing that threshold into the Oval Office and not only was this guy not bringing his a game He didn't have a

game.

He was winging it

Miles Taylor and his homeland security secretary Kirsten Nielsen worked for former president Trump in his administration Trump once called secretary Nielsen with a unique solution to stop migrants crossing the border with Mexico

and she puts the president on speakerphone and he says that down at the border

he wants to explore what it would take to build a moat.

And he goes off on this tangent talking about how we should actually get snakes and alligators and fill this 2,000 mile moat on the border with reptilian creatures so that if someone falls into the moat,

they're

facing the threat of snakes and alligators.

I mean, we're just laughing.

You can't make this shit

up.

What are you thinking?

when the president of the United States is enunciating this idea.

I'm a lifelong conservative.

I am more Republican than Donald Trump.

He is not a conservative.

But putting politics aside, engaging with the man, you realize he's an idiot.

Trump has denied knowing Taylor and said he should be prosecuted.

Oh,

he's an idiot.

Well.

That's

his assessment.

Bottom line, he didn't have to write a book to tell us that.

But anyway, that's all part of idiocracy this morning.

We have another one here.

This is unbelievable.

Trump, of course, wants coal to be king again.

I don't know why.

But what about the people who risked everything to get that out of the earth?

Right.

A CNN investigation revealed how the Trump administration and Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency have slashed protections

for vulnerable coal miners.

So all the regulations that protect coal miners in the mines gone, thanks to Doge.

And that's how they want to reward those people extracting coal from the ground.

I thought he was all about a good clean coal and, you know, really promoting that industry a lot.

But how's that going to go over?

That's not going to go over

now.

It's

not going to

go over.

And now they don't have

any protections.

So, you know, if there's a collapse of a coal mine someplace, they're

screwed.

Yeah, that's too bad.

I guess so.

You can thank Doge for that one.

That's money saving right there.

Okay.

All right.

Good.

I got something here now.

This is in Wisconsin and I'm having a hard time believing this.

But this is real.

This is Wisconsin has added soundproof meditation booths on the interstate at the rest stops.

Now I

I haven't experienced this myself.

Really?

Really?

But I might just take a ride on the interstate someday.

Just did go into meditation?

Yeah, just go into a pod of some, oh my gosh.

Really?

Really?

What's going

on?

Some guy went down the wrong

way on

Fairchild and then turned on the state street.

Well, good luck

to them.

It's

a double

whammy.

Only happens in Idiocracy

during

Idiocracy.

Anyway,

these pods on the interstate now equipped with 10 minute guided audio sessions aims to reduce driver stress and promote safer roads.

Early feedback from travelers highlights a significantly calmer experience.

at these stops.

Users step inside, close the door, and select a 10 minute guided audio session via a touchscreen interface.

The recordings, developed with input from wellness experts, focus on breathing, exercises, and mindfulness techniques that

alleviate stress.

I wonder where the nearest one is.

to our location here on the interstate.

Good question.

Yeah.

I'd like to like to check those out or maybe we should send Dom out there and you know.

I would love to.

Yeah.

Give us a call from one

and experience it.

Talk to

a few

people.

There is one problem and that is maintenance of the booths.

Ensuring cleanliness and functionality.

Cleanliness.

That poses a logistical challenge for the DOT.

Had they known that there would have been meditation booths on the interstate at rest stops, they might have rethought this, I think.

No, no.

So let me get this straight.

People go into the meditation booth just for what, 10 minutes or so, and relax 10, 20 minutes?

Yes, 10 minutes.

Do they pay for that, or is it free?

It's free.

It's free.

Yeah.

And they just shut the door.

Close

the door and you experience, you know, 10 minutes of relaxation.

Of course, you

can pick your relaxation audio, whatever

that might be.

Yeah.

It looks like they're really trying to support research on stress and driving.

Is that

right?

Yep.

That's their

goal in this.

Where are you

seeing this?

It's on Google.com.

It's real.

They're doing this.

Wow.

Okay, now one one more thing and it's the secret world of women What every once in a while I come across another thing that women knew but guys didn't okay and And I brought this up to Anne and she just freaked out you know I because I was making a big deal about it.

It's called tankinies

Anybody know what a tankini is?

Have you heard of a tankini?

I've never heard of a tankini.

I never did

either, but oh my gosh.

So yeah, yeah, we had those a long time ago.

I mean, through really a tankini, I went through that whole decade and I didn't know they existed.

A tankini has gotten a revamp in 2025, the story goes, with popular retailers marketing these tummy covering two piece outfits for shoppers that don't want a one piece.

and want to relive their summers when they were in seventh grade.

I don't know.

This is what the article says.

So it's a two piece,

but it covers your

stomach.

Okay.

Really?

But it doesn't, but yeah, it's not attached though.

It's not a one piece, it's a two piece, but you know, it has a flap over

your stomach.

Okay.

Bulletproof, I don't know.

Anyway, it says here that these upgraded tankinis offer refreshed color palettes and not so boxy design.

One TikToker mused, I don't know if the modesty propaganda is working on me or if they're actually just making cute tankinis this year.

Tankinis.

That's a tankini.

Could you, I want you to play this.

Could you play it for me?

We got time for this.

Let's learn.

Okay.

The TikToker.

All right.

If you want to wear a tankini this summer, then wear the tankini.

They're cute.

And honestly, you can serve an entire look with the tankini.

Will I be rocking a tankini this summer?

Probably not.

But if you want to wear one, I fully support you.

I know this whole conversation about tankinis and the rise of conservatism and how our bathing suits are becoming more conservative.

And that's what's becoming more popular now.

When it comes to things that make you feel comfortable and make you feel comfortable,

about yourself, then do the thing that makes you happy.

You want to dress more conservative and you want to wear a tankini, that is fine.

At

the end of the day.

Okay, it's fine, you

know, but these

tankinis, I didn't know anything about

them.

Never heard of them.

And Anne just made fun of me for not knowing that.

Well, maybe we'll see them out at the beaches or maybe, you know, here and there.

Look where those tankinis.

Okay, we're coming back and we'll be talking with Brian Bellafont, the author of The Sultan of Garbage, next on

Kathryn Lake

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All right, time for us to welcome into the show Brian Bellafant.

Good morning, Brian.

Good to have you with us.

Good

morning.

Thanks for having me

on.

Oh, yes.

So you wrote this book called The Sultan of Garbage.

That's right.

The garbage island that we have out in the Pacific.

That was some sort of inspiration for the title of this book.

That's right.

So this is a novel I take it, right?

Well, it's actually a very short novel or a novella, but yeah, it sticks

to the story.

Now, one of the things that, you know, I think your background has a lot to do with the inspiration for this particular novella.

So tell us about a little bit about your background.

You're a photographer and you really make enticing pictures for the public.

Well, actually it's actually more connected to I worked in advertising and started out as a copywriter and I just had this really kind of amazing trajectory of my career and I ended up being and Made you know got to the point where I was making Super Bowl commercials, you know, so it was kind of the big leagues Wow

And I had this realization that I was helping to sort of help create and perpetuate a culture of consumption and waste.

The book kind of serves as a form of, I don't want to say penance, but an examination really.

Right.

And then you said in your bio here that you pushed Pepsi, Nissan, Taco Bell.

Toyota and and Frito lay of course there's a lot of packaging in that end up in the ocean in the Pacific on a giant island so This is your way of you know telling that story in this novella correct

Sort of yeah, I mean it basically the hero of the story is a Very limited version of me.

I suppose a guy who makes his living helping photo he photographs packages and products and

He comes to realize, you know, it's driven by his personal life is falling apart.

He's got a girlfriend who doesn't appreciate him and friends who want to take advantage of him.

Comes into money and something tells him that as a photographer, it would be cool to go out and photograph this island of garbage.

And that's sort of the starting

point.

So Brian, have you actually done that?

I mean, did you go out and check out the Great Pacific Garbage Patch?

I guess that's what they call it.

Did you do some investigation into that or take photos?

I

did some investigation and it is not the way it appears in the book.

It's it's worse.

It's not something that you can, we have this picture in our minds that this island is actually an island where you can like climb onto it like it's land and see refrigerators and use tires and stuff and it's really more, it's where the plastic goes to, I don't want to say die because it takes a long time to die, but in the oceans and this is

All of the oceans, the currents, the way they swirl, this stuff sort of congeals.

And the worst part of it is I read a statistic that 70% of the crap that goes into the ocean actually sinks.

So when we're seeing, when you see any of it, you're seeing a third, less than a third.

Well,

it's like a

glacier.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

So how did that become central to your story?

How do you work that in?

Well, it's in the story it works as a metaphor for the guy's life And it's funny when you know saying that people ask me a lot about the research that went into the book and I feel a little bit guilty because the research about the character the profession and all the stuff that goes into making these images and these messages That comes from my personal experience.

So I didn't have to do my research.

I did that stuff

But the stuff about the island of garbage and recycling and waste, mostly I said to myself, what would be the worst case scenario?

I wrote it down and then I went back and I looked it up.

And a lot of times I wasn't even close.

Wow.

Well, you know, we're all experiencing micro plastics in our brain now.

So, uh, yeah, this is a perfect time for us to talk about that island.

You know, you're absolutely right.

You know, in the story and in my mind, it's the big pieces that, you know, because they're

big.

You think of lions because they're, you know, big and scary, but there are a lot of other creatures that can be dangerous.

The microplastics are, I think, a lot more of a problem than the used refrigerator that ends up in the river or whatever.

They do get into our brains.

They're in our water supplies.

And we don't know yet just how bad they are, but we get a sense that they're pretty bad.

You have another book.

I was just kind of curious about this.

You say, spouse hunting, using the rules of real estate to find the love of your life.

And in parentheses, spoiler alert, it works.

What?

Yeah.

And kudos to you for digging that up.

Yeah.

Um, okay.

So let's start with I, when I started.

Wait,

we have one minute.

We

only

have about

a

minute left.

Yeah, the book works.

Just believe it.

Pick up the book and do what you're actually advising them

to do.

So that one's called Spouse Hunting.

It's a how-to.

Using the rules of real estate.

The book that we were talking about, Sultan of Garbage, Brian Bellafont.

Thank you for joining

us today.

And bringing us to that island in the ocean.

Thank you.

And if anybody wants to check me out, I'm at Bella font.com.

Very good.

All right.

Very good.

Thank you, Brian.

Coming up in our.

Yes, coming up in our seven o'clock hour, a little bit later on, we'll talk to Liz Johnston about keeping your pets safe and calm during the fourth of July weekend.

That's coming up later on John and Gordy in the

morning.

Kathryn Lake

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