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Wings, Weather, and Would You Rather: Unvarnished Truths (Hour 1)
John & Gordy · Thu Jun 26, 2025
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So here it is Thursday.
A little bit later on, we'll talk to Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils all about education.
Well, yeah, I hope to get to a question I wanted to ask last week about why there are so many more liberals in the teaching business.
Really?
I want to get to that.
Just a quick question.
It may take another half hour.
But a quick question nevertheless.
And then, of course, we've got a few other questions.
pertaining to some of the podcasts that they have dropped over the week.
You can listen to the Busted Pencils podcast on your own, but I have a few questions from those shows and we'll get to those and dissect what education is all
Well, you hold on to those questions for a minute, my friend, because a little bit later on, we'll talk to Jim Santel.
and he'll straighten us out on what's happening with the Supreme Court.
It seems like their term should be coming to an end for the summer soon.
We keep talking about, but they've got so many cases.
I think they're open 24-7 now.
Just bring them
let's move on to the next topic Yeah, what's happening with our with our new game though, what's what's worse or what what is it called again?
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last Thursday when we're talking about the balance of uh liberal or conservative teachers and colleges and in schools and my question has always been and this is like you know maybe five or six decades old this question what
What happens when you have more liberals in all of these schools?
Well, you're gonna ask that question now and okay, you know breaking news here.
Yeah, all right So there's a long deep dark secret plot.
Oh
has been orchestrated over the years to install liberal Marxist socialists
in positions to influence the youth of America to get them to become communists.
So it's been true
along here.
Yeah, yeah.
So you just were the first one, John, to finally ask the question directly.
And here we are now.
So now it's fully out in the open.
The
plot the evil plot has been revealed and now we know that you know, yes, there's been the deep state has been at it for years making sure that liberals dominate the Teaching profession to make sure that the influence of deep dark socialist communists and and and you can see how successful we I was gonna say how successful has that been
Yeah.
I mean, you can see that, you know, living, living under a, a incredibly hardcore capitalist society, we, we haven't had a
worked
Man.
Um, you know what though?
I, I don't know the answer to that question.
Yeah.
A part of me that
does say there's there's something about the nature of people who go into some form of like a helping profession.
That's what I'm thinking.
Right.
Yeah.
You know, that that just is to say, you know, liberals are
We're just better helpers.
You know, I mean, there's a sense of that.
And so it's like, is it is it political ideology?
Or is it just the reality that they're just better human beings?
Yes.
But, you know, there have been very good conservative instructors out there as well.
We've had a few in the state that have been participating in politics as well.
And they're very fair.
So I do want to say that there are some out there like that.
But I do, my impression was always that there was an empathy.
There was a...
drive to help other people out.
And that's why they went into teaching.
It was a dedicated profession as well.
And I think a lot of politicians at some point took advantage of their dedication by not helping education enough or paying teachers enough.
And they just knew that the teachers would show up anyway or donate most of their time, their private time to help their students out.
So I think, you know, it's one of those professions where they've been taken advantage of and not paid what they should have been paid all along.
have a dedication to it and I think conservatives know that and they took advantage of that particular quality in an individual.
But you made a great point though too it's like okay you know there are great conservative teachers and maybe that's the problem is trying to say that you know teachers are you know there's there's so many of them are just liberal and
or Democrats and, you know, and how about it's just actually it's not a good conservative teacher, it's not a good liberal teacher, good teachers, you know, actually are, you know, in one way, undefinable.
Maybe it just so happens that more cut across quote, you know, party lines for some reason that, you know, more Democrats or teachers, but
When you say, you know, hey, I know some really good conservative teachers, I would say that maybe our problem is, is that, you know, let's just talk about what are good teachers.
Because I say the same thing.
I know some, quote, Republican teachers who are really good.
You know, and what is it?
It's they care.
they care a lot.
That's it.
You know, and so they might just have a bit of a different of a political ideologies.
But John, I think you're right, though, it's very easy, though, to take that, you know, statistical demographic that says, Oh, my God, you know, 82% of teachers in the state of, you know, Wisconsin are registered Democrats.
Therefore, that means
that, you know, it's infested by liberal indoctrinators.
Exactly.
It's a plot.
Yeah, it's a plot as opposed to saying, no, it's just a fact of demographic kind of population that says, you know, more teachers are Democrats.
It doesn't mean anything.
Therefore, nothing.
It just is.
Therefore, there are more Democratic teachers.
Yeah.
Oh, well, I didn't go over
All right.
Let's
Well, so this is, you know, we brought this up because, you know, this is a real case in the University of Florida system.
This was documented in the New York Times.
A second year law student wrote a paper and won an award for laying out
an originalist argument to the constitution that said, you know, hey, the reality is, is that only white people should be voting.
And sorry, that that's just what the original founders wanted.
And he wasn't arguing, you know, from the standpoint of going, you know, this is a historical fact.
He was saying the fact is, and in fact, today,
If we were in violation of our Constitution by letting anybody other than white people vote and he He won he won an award and and and the issue is is going like how did that happen?
Johnny and Johnny and I brought up though the point that saying like when you know, so teacher education
is accredited.
And one of our accreditors, the accreditors typically had language and this happened to me directly and also Johnny he listened to the show.
But you know, this is maybe 15 years ago, I had a student who wrote a paper that indicated that she had a problem with diversity and that it wasn't her job as a teacher to
identify and be a non-racist.
She felt that that was pushing up against her.
But our accreditation literally says one of the things you have to do is help teachers not be racist.
Yeah, you know like we don't want racist teachers and so how do you do and so you know I brought the student we talked about it talk
the faculty and we had a conversation about you know what is it that's driving you to think this way you know as a teacher all of the students in front of you
you know, are, are supposed to, and in fact, your job is to elevate every one of them, you know, and not, not be a racist.
And that was actually something we were supposed to do.
Because if not, if the accreditors found out that we were letting racists slip through the cracks, we could be in violation of accreditation.
But now in 2025, I'm pretty sure that
I would have been the problem in that situation today because how dare I, you know, infringe on the human right of a teacher to be a racist.
Okay.
Yeah, Gordy, you look like you're, you're, you're like, what's going on in the world?
Yes.
Well, that's my
Yes.
Yeah.
We, God forbid, we would take a racist point of view and hopefully help them understand that
you shouldn't do that.
You
and what's more striking in this case particularly is this is a very, you know, potentially, you know, a second year law student putting forward an argument that was trying to say to, you know, look, if I'm going to go out and practice law, here's kind of the ideology I'm going to be coming from, which is white people.
we're in charge of the world and in fact you go in and dig deeper and you find that the student is you know vehemently racist incredibly anti-Semitic social media posts and but we came back at it and saying you know what was to me the more troubling was the fact that the University of Florida system took a position of what they called
institutional neutrality.
Wow.
Sounds good to me.
You know, I just think about it, you know, because I know we're coming up on a break.
But yeah, what what does that mean?
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Let's read that all right
mark
Yeah, I'd point out that I don't think it says in the Constitution that whites only can vote.
I mean, I think it was just, they thought it was supposed to be how much land you owned.
And I'd also point out we have amended our Constitution since then, both to allow women to vote, direct the election of senators, other things as well.
18-year-olds allowed to vote because this young person probably
Maybe maybe not be would be allowed to vote.
I don't think it's 21 years or older older not yet to vote down When he he penned this nonsense that And I'd point out to him that in the days of the ancient Greeks I mean the Greeks thought that anybody who wasn't Greek was a was a barbarian I mean that And the Romans had similar attitudes for had nothing to do with color.
It had just if you were a Roman or not that So I mean relying on this nonsense of
You know, racism in itself is just ridiculous because we all sprung out of Africa.
Even at the constitutional convention, Madison was positing in the Federalist Papers that how barbaric slavery was and that probably in 20 years it would have been gone.
And because people would recognize the barbarity of it, but apparently we did not do that.
So we had to reject this whole notion of
of inequality is the natural order of things.
And
face it, DEI means diversity, equity, and inclusion, which includes conservatives.
Yeah.
Good point, Mark.
Well,
that out.
Thanks,
We're finding that out now.
Linda McMahon, of course, demanding that there be more conservative professors.
Well, that's, and I think she even used the word diversity.
Yes.
And I know Voss has used the word diversity as well.
as he withholds funding from the UW at this point because it's too woke, it's too left, and some reforms have got to be taken.
And it's just, again, this anti-diversity thing that they have is not working out.
They can't stick with it, you know?
Well, you say that, that they're actually moving in the real diversity direction, which is mandating
their diversity overrides your diversity.
That's right.
Okay.
Um, okay.
You know, the problem is, is that again, liberals define diversity as inclusive of all people when really diversity means excluding everybody except conservatives.
So, you know, if you want real diversity, University of Wisconsin system, you
can have more money if you eradicate liberal diversity and install conservative diversity.
There's a right and a wrong.
I
know.
You know what, what Mark was saying, the two again, back to the, you know, the facts of this original list paper and saying, well, like, look, history doesn't bear out because, you know, we have amendments that said, you know, no, we're actually including all these people.
But, you know, the original list is, is that he comes back and says, okay, you know, we wouldn't have.
had all of these people voting in favor of these new amendments, if we would have stuck with the originalists, you know, only white men could be the ones that would vote.
It is crazy.
What we did, though, too, just on that end is to say it would be an interesting conversation to talk about the history of who did right.
these things and what were they potentially thinking and were some of the founders you know
white racists who maybe in their brains did think that that's what they meant.
But then as Mark says, the history of evolving thought around this is that, okay, there were original thinkers who were racist, but we've now eradicated and or made adjustments and amendments to say, you know, no, this is the new version.
And I guess this is the other part is that
the Constitution is a living document
opposed to an old dead.
That's an interesting history lesson that could be, you know, really powerful to talk about and saying, okay, look, originalists, let's let's examine what it means to be an originalist.
And then let's put this under the microscope of an of an evolving historical context.
Really,
appropriate, deep, great history lesson if you went in that direction.
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