Wings, Weather, and Would You Rather: Unvarnished Truths   (Hour 1)

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Wings, Weather, and Would You Rather: Unvarnished Truths (Hour 1)

John & Gordy · Thu Jun 26, 2025

Kathryn Lake

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Like a fine wine aged to perfection until the bottle shatters against the rocks of history.

Two ancient warriors of radio broadcasting take to the airwaves of Madison for anyone brave enough to listen to the unvarnished truth or something like that.

It's John and Gordy in the Morning on 92.7 WMDX.

I think the show needs a second coat of varnish.

You think so?

Yeah.

Why are you saying that?

You think we're unvarnished?

They said we were unvarnished.

No, it said that the unvarnished truth, so

I think

we need another coat of varnish.

Gotcha.

Because apparently no one knows that we are slick and varnished.

Hey,

what's

going

on?

I mean, this is like

another kind of cloudy

Misty kind of morning, not misty, but, you know, kind of foggy.

I don't know what it is.

What is it

out

there?

Humidity is

high again.

That's it.

It's the dew point.

Thick cuts of humidity.

Yeah, that's that's what it is.

It's awful out there.

We've got partly cloudy skies 69 degrees, according to the WMDX window thermometer.

Yeah, and what about your Samsung watch?

Kathryn Lake

Oh, let's check it

early here.

Let's see.

I guess we could yeah and see what the Temperature is always on when the sunset will be tonight Currently

currently 70 degrees according to the Samsung official WM day some weather what and what about they after

high of

87 87 87

and a

late tonight around 69 So if you're concerned, you know, that's something to be

Okay.

Do

we even want to get into the sunset at all or no?

Is it not even worth

it at this point?

I can promise you it's never gonna go over 841.

It's not gonna go over that.

Now it's a downhill

slide from here.

Okay.

Well let's check the bar dice.

Do you have the bar dice handy or did we lose those?

I

wish it wasn't so wimpy when we slam it down on the...

Table.

Well, you know, Dom is stronger than he appears.

He don't know what that beats.

There's an eight and a five, so I think that's 85.

85 for a high.

Yeah.

Could get even warmer, mugger.

And we do expect some showers, maybe some thunderstorms along the way.

So we'll watch out for that.

So here it is Thursday.

A little bit later on, we'll talk to Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils all about education.

Well, yeah, I hope to get to a question I wanted to ask last week about why there are so many more liberals in the teaching business.

Really?

I want to get to that.

Just a quick question.

It may take another half hour.

But a quick question nevertheless.

And then, of course, we've got a few other questions.

pertaining to some of the podcasts that they have dropped over the week.

You can listen to the Busted Pencils podcast on your own, but I have a few questions from those shows and we'll get to those and dissect what education is all

about.

Well, you hold on to those questions for a minute, my friend, because a little bit later on, we'll talk to Jim Santel.

and he'll straighten us out on what's happening with the Supreme Court.

It seems like their term should be coming to an end for the summer soon.

We keep talking about, but they've got so many cases.

I think they're open 24-7 now.

Just bring them

in and get them out.

The problem here is we are gonna talk to Jim Santel this morning.

But today is like the big day they released all the other decisions.

Is that

right?

So that will happen after we talk to Jim Santel.

Well, he can give us a preview.

Maybe we can

get him on earlier in the week next week.

Maybe we can create a new segment for him.

guy who can predict what the Supreme Court is going to say.

That

would be the

great carnage

of lawyers.

That's a great idea.

Let's talk to him about that.

That'll blow his credibility.

Don, what's happening in your world?

You told me right before we started the show that you played pickleball yesterday.

Yes, and then you told me right

before the show.

you and John want to play pickleball as well.

I know.

We do.

That is, uh, really?

That's what Gordy said.

Yeah, me want to play pickleball.

Come on, man.

Get out once in a while, you know?

Move it around.

Uh, so it was somewhere in Middleton,

right?

It

was somewhere in Middleton.

I don't have the exact park, but it was right next to my apartment, played with my roommate,

and

it was just a fun time.

You know, the dew point was really dew-pointing yesterday, because I was getting sweaty, and it was just, it just...

It

doesn't

take long to get sweaty outside.

Are you living in Middleton?

I do live in Middleton.

Over by you there, hey.

Is it down by the gas station?

It is down by the gas station.

By that one gas station.

Right up from the corner.

The corner

restaurant.

Right

off that street, right off that street.

That's good.

Good to

know.

So do you know the rules of pickleball or were you just out there slamming it around just for

fun?

Are there rules?

There is rules.

I don't know them real well.

We were kind of just going with the flow.

But we ended up playing a game all the way up to 21.

So it took us an hour, hour and a half.

Took us

forever.

And at the end of it, yeah, you're shaking your head.

I don't even know why we did it.

After

that hour it

was not

worth it.

You can always change the final number.

Make up your own rules.

Go up to seven and make

it a

more

manageable

game.

Easy day.

Pickleball.

I don't under I'm just I don't know what it is.

I don't know what pickleball is.

It's scary to me.

It's a cross of tennis and ping pong.

I mean it's just you know it's an easy it's a smaller court.

than tennis.

It's a

wiffle ball instead of just like a tennis ball or something.

That's a lighter ball.

I have an allergic reaction to getting into fads.

I have a fad.

You know, it's a popular thing and I don't fall into popular things very well.

I just, you know, I rebel.

Okay.

That's your excuse.

That's my excuse.

You believe that?

Well,

what did you guys do last night?

That's

mean.

What did you

guys do last night?

Let's see.

What did I

do?

Boy.

I don't know.

You know

if you get that

kind of response,

let's move on to the next topic Yeah, what's happening with our with our new game though, what's what's worse or what what is it called again?

Oh, would you rather which is just kind of like what's worse, but We named it something else.

We totally didn't copy them at all.

Yeah No, we well.

No, okay.

Would you rather do you have a music for this?

I do have some theme music.

Oh, I just

completely

cut out.

What happened there?

Sorry.

All right, so first question.

Would you rather have to sleep for 15 hours a day or only be able to sleep two hours a night?

Well, that's an easy one for me because I only sleep two hours a night.

So that's what I do.

I could never sleep 15 hours

15

hours 4 hours there

15 minutes last night.

I think I got the same

What?

I'd rather sleep 15 hours at this point.

What would you rather do?

I would do 15 hours, yeah.

Gordy, you're on your own here.

Sleep your life

away, man.

It's worth it.

Come on.

All right.

All right, second

question.

Oh, there's more.

OK, there is more.

There's two more questions.

Yeah, we got a number of questions.

We got to keep it going here.

I see.

That's why this is different.

OK.

Would you rather be an extreme heat but in a snowsuit or extreme cold but in a swimsuit?

Which one would you?

Which one?

Where

do you come up with it?

Could you repeat that?

Yes, I'll repeat the

question.

I'll repeat

it slowly.

You drifted off to sleep after that last

question.

Well, my attention span

is just

so

long.

What's the

question

again?

So

would you rather be an extreme heat but in a snow suit

or an

extreme cold in a swimsuit?

Cold

like

I don't like this cold, you know,

there's no good option.

I can't handle these

You have to choose one if you have to

do the snow you're not gonna have to go through I guess I guess no

suit in the heat Yeah, okay, I would do the same too.

So our least word you know about that.

I would

yeah, I think I would

Like a snowmobile

suit,

you

know,

yeah,

so you would rather wear a hot

Outfit

in the heat

in the heat

then a swimsuit and a swimsuit in the cold But you haven't

even defined cold.

Well, you know, I'm just thinking a chilled room of some sort.

I would

say like 20 degrees or below.

I'm looking way too deep into this guy Alright third and

final question.

Yes, would you rather always have damp socks or always have a pebble in your shoe?

Why do you have damp socks?

Alright,

I'll go with the damp socks since I get my socks damp every morning playing with the border collie in the yard.

Yeah,

I gotta go along with that.

I couldn't take a pebble in the shoe.

All right, so this is where we're disagreeing.

I'm going pebble in the shoe.

Really?

I

feel like I have a pebble in my shoe probably right now.

No kidding.

Damsox, I just can't do it.

My feet would smell bad.

I just wouldn't be able to do it.

So you feel like you have a pebble in your shoe now?

I do feel like I have a pebble

in my shoe.

All the time?

Yes, especially in that garage.

Whenever I walk out

of my car in

that garage, I always

feel like I end up getting some pebbles in my

shoe.

But do you or is it just a feeling that you have?

Bad shoes?

Because you might have a...

problem with your

foot or your shoes no I not right now but I always I always end up once a week having a pebble at

some point at some point.

Do you live in a gravel pit?

What's the matter with you?

Why would you get a pebble in your shoe?

Where do you find pebbles like that?

How low are your shoes?

My shoes are really low.

I have really low shoes.

We're tighter shoes or something.

I gotta buy some new pairs of shoes.

All right, we'll try to help you out with that.

That's today's edition of Would You Rather?

Brought to you by Dom Lee, our producer extraordinaire.

Came up with something very interesting.

Yes, that's good.

Coming up right around the corner, Sarah is going to be here with us from Wings Over Madison, actually.

Why don't we have her come in right now?

You know, Mark,

Mark, Mark Texas, he said, is Dom going to know the Karnak reference that I gave?

Really, do you know what Johnny Carson's Karnak was?

I don't.

Do you know who Johnny?

Johnny Carson.

I do know Johnny Carson, but I don't know what that reference means.

I'm too young.

I'm

way

too

young.

We'll

have to pull out some Johnny, some Karnak.

for you.

Karnak was a character that he created that would see into the future, and he would answer the questions before the questions were revealed.

Well,

he would get an answer, and then he'd

ask the question, I

think.

So he's like Jim Santel.

Well,

that's what we want Jim Santel to

do.

We want him to do a Karnak

impression.

A professional

lawyer.

He was in the entertainment business, though, before he became a actor.

Yes, he's done a lot of different things.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think he played a crime boss and.

No, but he did do some acting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

OK, it's 18 minutes past the hour.

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Voice notes are new popular thing.

We have a sample of one of the voice notes handy there.

Did we have one?

I don't think we got any new

ones,

so let's just skip past this one.

No, we definitely have one.

Let me at least

see

if I can find something.

I don't know if we should even

try.

We're really late.

Let's just stick to

Jordy.

remind his own damn business and shut his piehole once and for all.

See, that guy seems to be on.

He seems to know what he's talking about.

I think so.

All right, 19 minutes past the hour.

When we return, we'll talk to Sarah from Wings over Madison.

They're reopening here and we'll find out about that.

And I think she brought some pre samples.

Really?

Really?

Yeah, Wings.

First

thing in the morning.

Why not?

I love that.

John and Gordy in the morning.

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Catherine wonders now, Dom, do you live in a gravel pit?

Is that because you have rocks in your shoes?

Well, that was the question I asked.

And

that answer is yes.

I

do live in a gravel pit.

So

now you guys know.

I kind of

thought so.

She shouted me.

All right.

Is it, you have a band down there?

Don't shoot any dogs while you're down there.

Oh man, okay.

Let's move on.

24 minutes past the hour.

And Sarah joins us from Wings over Madison.

Hi, Sarah.

Hi.

Thanks for

coming in this morning.

Good morning.

Thanks for having me.

I always

like the name of the place because it's Wings over.

And then you just add the city or the location, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Are you all set

up

there?

Yeah, okay.

So Sarah, you just reopened on Tuesday?

We did on Tuesday.

Okay.

Why were you, you were closed for a little while.

Yeah, yeah.

So we heard a Madison.

We let you down.

The wings weren't crispy.

The tenders weren't juicy.

We were inconsistent.

And so our flavor was unforgettable.

Yeah.

And so we believe that Madison deserves better.

And we closed our doors, we retrained, we really built.

And quite honestly, we obsessed over every single detail.

Great.

And now you're reopened.

We are reopened and so happy.

The different ways to prepare what you have, the wings and the tenders, all redone, reformulated the way you cook and prepare them and then present them and the amount of time from the cook.

to the table, right?

Yeah.

So retraining on all recipes.

Yeah.

And making sure our team is up to speed, consistency, consistency.

And you're located near UW hospital, right?

Yeah.

On

University Avenue?

2739.

Okay.

Right across from the VA hospital and children's.

Okay.

Yeah.

So that's a convenient location.

Yeah, totally.

Easy to get to.

And it's not so much...

um, saving the business, but it's saving something that Madison has loved and we love

we love.

Yeah.

We love wings here.

And, uh, this is, uh, well, this is kind of an interesting, you know, a business to admit something like this in a closed down reformulate, because maybe it wasn't as popular because you didn't get the exact recipe the way people like.

Wings in this town prepared and chicken tenders as well.

And it's you know, there's staple food here in town anyway So, you know, it's great to have a reformulation.

So what do you think that you've changed in this way?

You know as far as like, you know breading or or sauces What do you what what what took place?

So it's really just retraining on the recipe.

Okay, and we really want to gain trust back

so much that we're giving away chicken for five days.

So,

yes.

So, at open on the 24th through the 29th, listeners and the community Badger Country can get a three tender pack or a six boneless pack.

And a pack includes, stay with me guys.

Includes French fries.

your choice of 17 different flavors, and ranch or blue cheese.

Which one are

you?

Ranch.

I'm definitely

ranch.

I kind of like the blue cheese as a dip.

But also, do you have the hot sauces?

So yes, so spicy, tangy, savory.

I like anything with lime in it, so...

That's where I'm at.

Okay.

So we have a limited time offer flavor right now called chili lime.

It's a dry rub.

Yes.

Oh, really?

Yes.

Dry rubs.

I love dry

rub.

Right.

So our offer, um, you can get one per day, one per day, right?

And the hardest, uh, the hardest decision is which flavor.

Yeah.

Uh, you do have to make a small purchase.

So any purchase.

So buy a drink and get your whole entire meal for free.

Wow.

Uh, yeah.

One per day until the 29th,

the 29th,

three more

days here, including today.

Yeah.

So order online on the website.

The promo code is mad pack 25 mad pack 25.

And what's the website?

Wingsover.com.

That's it.

Wingsover.com.

And then what's the, what's the code

again?

Mad pack 25

mad pack 25.

Write that down down.

Okay.

We don't want to, we don't want to miss anything.

Okay.

I'm on it.

All right.

And

is this for delivery to go?

It's to go.

Absolutely.

You can dine in as well.

Okay.

All

right.

And okay, we're out of time here, Sarah, but thanks for coming in.

And we appreciate you bringing, I see you brought some wings here.

I

did, boneless wings.

And we'll have to get to

those during the commercial breaks.

We'll break into those.

But you know, good luck with the reopening.

Yeah.

And we appreciate you stopping by.

It just

smells so fantastic.

So we're gonna have to try it out and let you know what we think.

Okay.

Yes, please.

So

wingsover.com.

And you can take it from there.

MadPak.

What was it?

MadPak 25.

25.

Or you can follow us on Instagram at eatwingsover.

Oh, OK.

All right.

That's a easy way to do it.

Sarah, thanks for coming in.

Thank you for having me.

I

appreciate you.

And good luck with the reopening.

Thanks so

much.

I'm going to have my Gen Z kids call in and order some.

All right.

Definitely.

Yes.

I know they'll love it.

All right.

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Time once again for Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils and so many things to talk about from your podcast that

I

listened to last night and I was just fascinated by the subject matter, but let's go back to last.

last Thursday when we're talking about the balance of uh liberal or conservative teachers and colleges and in schools and my question has always been and this is like you know maybe five or six decades old this question what

What happens when you have more liberals in all of these schools?

I mean

is it a natural thing that a more liberal person would go into teaching wanting to educate the future of our country or is it I'm not quite sure what what Makes it out of balance.

Why do we have more liberal teachers in the profession?

Well, you're gonna ask that question now and okay, you know breaking news here.

Yeah, all right So there's a long deep dark secret plot.

Oh

That

has been orchestrated over the years to install liberal Marxist socialists

in positions to influence the youth of America to get them to become communists.

So it's been true

all

along here.

Yeah, yeah.

So you just were the first one, John, to finally ask the question directly.

And here we are now.

So now it's fully out in the open.

The

evil

plot the evil plot has been revealed and now we know that you know, yes, there's been the deep state has been at it for years making sure that liberals dominate the Teaching profession to make sure that the influence of deep dark socialist communists and and and you can see how successful we I was gonna say how successful has that been

Yeah.

I mean, you can see that, you know, living, living under a, a incredibly hardcore capitalist society, we, we haven't had a

successful propaganda program indoctrination has not

worked

after all.

Man.

Um, you know what though?

I, I don't know the answer to that question.

Yeah.

A part of me that

does say there's there's something about the nature of people who go into some form of like a helping profession.

That's what I'm thinking.

Right.

Yeah.

You know, that that just is to say, you know, liberals are

We're just better helpers.

Yes.

You know, I mean, there's a sense of that.

And so it's like, is it is it political ideology?

Or is it just the reality that they're just better human beings?

Well, I can answer that specifically.

Yes.

But, you know, there have been very good conservative instructors out there as well.

We've had a few in the state that have been participating in politics as well.

And they're very fair.

So I do want to say that there are some out there like that.

But I do, my impression was always that there was an empathy.

There was a...

drive to help other people out.

And that's why they went into teaching.

It was a dedicated profession as well.

And I think a lot of politicians at some point took advantage of their dedication by not helping education enough or paying teachers enough.

And they just knew that the teachers would show up anyway or donate most of their time, their private time to help their students out.

So I think, you know, it's one of those professions where they've been taken advantage of and not paid what they should have been paid all along.

have a dedication to it and I think conservatives know that and they took advantage of that particular quality in an individual.

But you made a great point though too it's like okay you know there are great conservative teachers and maybe that's the problem is trying to say that you know teachers are you know there's there's so many of them are just liberal and

or Democrats and, you know, and how about it's just actually it's not a good conservative teacher, it's not a good liberal teacher, good teachers, you know, actually are, you know, in one way, undefinable.

Maybe it just so happens that more cut across quote, you know, party lines for some reason that, you know, more Democrats or teachers, but

When you say, you know, hey, I know some really good conservative teachers, I would say that maybe our problem is, is that, you know, let's just talk about what are good teachers.

Because I say the same thing.

I know some, quote, Republican teachers who are really good.

You know, and what is it?

It's they care.

they care a lot.

That's it.

You know, and so they might just have a bit of a different of a political ideologies.

But John, I think you're right, though, it's very easy, though, to take that, you know, statistical demographic that says, Oh, my God, you know, 82% of teachers in the state of, you know, Wisconsin are registered Democrats.

Therefore, that means

that, you know, it's infested by liberal indoctrinators.

Exactly.

It's a plot.

Yeah, it's a plot as opposed to saying, no, it's just a fact of demographic kind of population that says, you know, more teachers are Democrats.

It doesn't mean anything.

Therefore, nothing.

It just is.

Therefore, there are more Democratic teachers.

That's it.

And I think there's also a possibility that, you know, being conservative, you're more capitalistic.

And you don't make the kind of money that you could make in the private sector as opposed to in the public sector as an instructor, as a teacher.

Yeah.

Oh, well, I didn't go over

well.

All right.

Let's

move on to the next bunch of questions because now, in fact, this is a perfect tie in.

We were talking about DEI.

You were talking about it in your podcast and

the

fact that you have.

Students that may respond in a very conservative way to an assignment that you give them and how do you respond to that if in fact that.

Particular response in an assignment is contrary to you know fact.

Yeah.

Well, so this is, you know, we brought this up because, you know, this is a real case in the University of Florida system.

This was documented in the New York Times.

A second year law student wrote a paper and won an award for laying out

an originalist argument to the constitution that said, you know, hey, the reality is, is that only white people should be voting.

And sorry, that that's just what the original founders wanted.

And he wasn't arguing, you know, from the standpoint of going, you know, this is a historical fact.

He was saying the fact is, and in fact, today,

If we were in violation of our Constitution by letting anybody other than white people vote and he He won he won an award and and and the issue is is going like how did that happen?

Johnny and Johnny and I brought up though the point that saying like when you know, so teacher education

is accredited.

And one of our accreditors, the accreditors typically had language and this happened to me directly and also Johnny he listened to the show.

But you know, this is maybe 15 years ago, I had a student who wrote a paper that indicated that she had a problem with diversity and that it wasn't her job as a teacher to

identify and be a non-racist.

She felt that that was pushing up against her.

But our accreditation literally says one of the things you have to do is help teachers not be racist.

Yeah, you know like we don't want racist teachers and so how do you do and so you know I brought the student we talked about it talk

to

the faculty and we had a conversation about you know what is it that's driving you to think this way you know as a teacher all of the students in front of you

you know, are, are supposed to, and in fact, your job is to elevate every one of them, you know, and not, not be a racist.

And that was actually something we were supposed to do.

Because if not, if the accreditors found out that we were letting racists slip through the cracks, we could be in violation of accreditation.

But now in 2025, I'm pretty sure that

I would have been the problem in that situation today because how dare I, you know, infringe on the human right of a teacher to be a racist.

Right.

Exactly.

Okay.

Living in a bizarro world again.

Left is right.

Yeah, Gordy, you look like you're, you're, you're like, what's going on in the world?

Yes.

Well, that's my

usual look.

But here's the thing.

With this new policy on DEI and anti-DEI, what we're looking at is normalizing racist points of view.

We can't call in the question any of that, or else we would be trying to indoctrinate that conservative thought.

Yes.

Yeah.

We, God forbid, we would take a racist point of view and hopefully help them understand that

you shouldn't do that.

You

know,

and what's more striking in this case particularly is this is a very, you know, potentially, you know, a second year law student putting forward an argument that was trying to say to, you know, look, if I'm going to go out and practice law, here's kind of the ideology I'm going to be coming from, which is white people.

we're in charge of the world and in fact you go in and dig deeper and you find that the student is you know vehemently racist incredibly anti-Semitic social media posts and but we came back at it and saying you know what was to me the more troubling was the fact that the University of Florida system took a position of what they called

institutional neutrality.

Wow.

Sounds good to me.

You know, I just think about it, you know, because I know we're coming up on a break.

But yeah, what what does that mean?

We will ponder that and maybe try to come up with an answer when

we

come

back to the

break 648.

We're talking with Dr. Tim Slecker from busted pencils.

And we will

Continue the conversation in just a few moments.

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Let's read that all right

text from Matt Middleton Teaching tends to require empathy and conservatives have little of that and they care more about money So teaching isn't attractive to them and now let's go to the phones for mark.

What do you got for us today mark?

Good morning

mark

Yeah, I'd point out that I don't think it says in the Constitution that whites only can vote.

I mean, I think it was just, they thought it was supposed to be how much land you owned.

And I'd also point out we have amended our Constitution since then, both to allow women to vote, direct the election of senators, other things as well.

18-year-olds allowed to vote because this young person probably

Maybe maybe not be would be allowed to vote.

I don't think it's 21 years or older older not yet to vote down When he he penned this nonsense that And I'd point out to him that in the days of the ancient Greeks I mean the Greeks thought that anybody who wasn't Greek was a was a barbarian I mean that And the Romans had similar attitudes for had nothing to do with color.

It had just if you were a Roman or not that So I mean relying on this nonsense of

You know, racism in itself is just ridiculous because we all sprung out of Africa.

Even at the constitutional convention, Madison was positing in the Federalist Papers that how barbaric slavery was and that probably in 20 years it would have been gone.

And because people would recognize the barbarity of it, but apparently we did not do that.

So we had to reject this whole notion of

of inequality is the natural order of things.

And

let's

face it, DEI means diversity, equity, and inclusion, which includes conservatives.

Yeah.

Good point, Mark.

Well,

we're finding

that out.

Thanks,

Mark.

We're finding that out now.

Linda McMahon, of course, demanding that there be more conservative professors.

Well, that's, and I think she even used the word diversity.

Yes.

And I know Voss has used the word diversity as well.

as he withholds funding from the UW at this point because it's too woke, it's too left, and some reforms have got to be taken.

And it's just, again, this anti-diversity thing that they have is not working out.

They can't stick with it, you know?

Well, you say that, that they're actually moving in the real diversity direction, which is mandating

their diversity overrides your diversity.

That's right.

Okay.

Um, okay.

You know, the problem is, is that again, liberals define diversity as inclusive of all people when really diversity means excluding everybody except conservatives.

Right.

So, you know, if you want real diversity, University of Wisconsin system, you

can have more money if you eradicate liberal diversity and install conservative diversity.

There's a right and a wrong.

I

don't

know.

You know what, what Mark was saying, the two again, back to the, you know, the facts of this original list paper and saying, well, like, look, history doesn't bear out because, you know, we have amendments that said, you know, no, we're actually including all these people.

But, you know, the original list is, is that he comes back and says, okay, you know, we wouldn't have.

had all of these people voting in favor of these new amendments, if we would have stuck with the originalists, you know, only white men could be the ones that would vote.

It is crazy.

What we did, though, too, just on that end is to say it would be an interesting conversation to talk about the history of who did right.

these things and what were they potentially thinking and were some of the founders you know

white racists who maybe in their brains did think that that's what they meant.

But then as Mark says, the history of evolving thought around this is that, okay, there were original thinkers who were racist, but we've now eradicated and or made adjustments and amendments to say, you know, no, this is the new version.

And I guess this is the other part is that

the Constitution is a living document

as

opposed to an old dead.

That's an interesting history lesson that could be, you know, really powerful to talk about and saying, okay, look, originalists, let's let's examine what it means to be an originalist.

And then let's put this under the microscope of an of an evolving historical context.

Really,

appropriate, deep, great history lesson if you went in that direction.

That's right.

You're right.

And that's the biggest point of all is that it's an evolving thing.

It's a living document.

And we have to look at it that way, but they won't.

They want to look at it as only an originalist would look at it.

And we got to leave it there.

Yeah.

Dr. Tim Slecker, thank you for joining us.

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