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of
series of books.
But anyway, Palantir, we're gonna feature one now, and this is a web wisdom from somebody who just wanna, you know, kind of found out a little bit information tomorrow, but we're gonna feature a cut from Democracy Now, and that gets into it.
in a little bit more depth.
So we'll also have that tomorrow, a little bit after seven o'clock.
But right now, let's get into Peter Thiel's company, Palantir, and how they're gathering all the information, the database, tracking our every move, purchases, traffic tickets, exercise, watches,
the whole
this,
So Peter Thiel now owns Donald Trump, according to the Hindustan Times.
This is referencing a large database that Palantir is now going to be compiling on US citizens or people living in America.
Anybody who's been following me for even a minute knows that I believe that Peter Thiel has owned Trump for a lot longer than just recently.
Teal and the other tech rose forced Trump to take JD Vance as his vice president likely in exchange for using all of our data to do sort of a Cambridge Analytica 2.0 in this most recent election.
And there are a couple of reasons why this huge database being one of them because that feeds into what Peter Teal has been wanting to do with the United States which has turned it into basically a police state using technology.
And the other reason is Palantir gets that they got an eight million dollar contract last week compiling this huge database on all of us is Worth tens of millions like we are only six months in and I cannot convey to you how much worse it's going to get And I know I sound like a crazy person every time I talk about this is really fucking
Mark.
What calls me as Peter Steele is probably just stealing the word that was created by JR Tolkien because he invented a whole language.
for his load.
And I wonder if Peter Thiel actually paid anything to them for use
of
this.
I certainly think that the state of JRR Tolkien should probably sue Peter Thiel for every nickel he's got for misuse of this word and hang him in his hideout to dry.
Well, I certainly would, I mean, it's like
Elon Musk using the word grok.
I mean, that was created by Heinlein when he wrote it, Stranger Than a Strange Land.
And it should be a banned word for all MAGA because it's in a banned book, so...
But that's my thought
it.
OK.
There's no art in this White House.
There's no literature, no poetry, no music.
There are no pets in this White House.
No loyal man's best friend.
No socks the family cat.
No kids science fairs.
No time when the president takes off his blue suit, red tie uniform and becomes human.
Except when he puts on his white shirt and khaki pants uniform and hides from the American people to play golf.
There are no images of the first family enjoying themselves together in a moment of relaxation.
No Obama's on the beach in Hawaii moments, or Bush's fishing in Kenabunkport.
No Reagan's on horseback.
No Kennedy's playing touch football on the Cape.
Where'd that country go?
Where did all the fun, the joy, and the expression of love and happiness go?
We used to be the country that did the ice bucket challenge and raised millions for charity.
We used to have a president who calmed and sued the nation instead of dividing it.
And the first lady who planted a garden instead of ripping one out.
We are rudderless.
We have lost the cultural aspects of society that make America great.
We have lost our mojo, our fun, our happiness, our cheering on of others, the shared experience of humanity that makes it all worth it.
The challenges and the triumphs that we shared and celebrated the unique can-do spirit that America has always been known for We are lost We've lost so much in so short a time Yep
Oh yeah.
Because it really is just...
You know, you see it, you just can't believe that there's somebody putting that amount of makeup on his face, orange makeup, and it's obvious you can see the edges around his face.
It's just, you know, normally we don't talk about how a person looks because, you know, it's really what they're doing and what they're thinking, but in this case, it's just, it's getting crazy.
So obvious.
Right?
All right, I want to get to one more thing here, and I think this is really important.
Josh Hawley brought this up, and I'm glad he did, because this is something all of us are thinking about.
Josh Hawley brought up a chart that showed Trump is off the charts when it comes to nationwide injunctions.
Insinuating people are out to get Trump, basically.
He was talking and questioning Professor Kate Shaw.
She's a law professor, and Kate Shaw, by the way, is also...
Chris Hayes's wife.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's kind of interstate anyway.
Let's listen to this cut 56 if you could cue a cut 56 and listen to Josh Hawley opening a Pandora's Box, which he shouldn't have opened up.
Let's go.
The principle
of when an injunction biding non parties, which was never done in this country before the 1960s.
And let's see the chart, the Trump chart, which was done really only
Once Trump came into office for the first time.
Now, you don't think this is a little bit anomalous?
You don't think that's a little bit
strange?
A very plausible explanation, Senator, you have to consider is that he is engaged in much more lawless activity than other presidents, right?
There you go.
This
is what is a possibility.
Never used before the 1960s.
And suddenly, Democrat judges decide we love the nationwide injunction.
And then when Biden comes office, no.
It's
Republican appointees as well, Senator.
And the 1960s is where some scholars begin sort of locate the beginning of this.
Can you identify one before
them?
Mila Sohoni, who's another scholar of universal injunction suggests 1913 is actually the first in the
20s.
The Republican endured it for 150 years before it was a nationwide injunction.
Well, the federal government was doing a lot less until 100 years ago.
So there's many things that have changed in the last 100 or the last 50 years.
So
long as it is a Democrat president office, then we should have no nationwide injunctions.
If it's a Republican president, then this is absolutely fine warranted and called for.
How can our system of law survive on those principles, Professor?
I think a system in which there is that blind constraints on the president is a very dangerous system
Okay, a system where there are no constraints on the president is a dangerous system and I'm glad Josh Hawley brought this up, right?
Yeah, again, this has been their argument for the last five or six years, right?
Oh, everybody's going after him all these injunctions nationwide.
How is this possible?
It's just because the Democrats are trying to get him.
No, it's because he is breaking the law.
That's the whole point.
And this is the way she said it.
You're a very plausible expert.
Anishin, you have to consider is that he's engaged in much more lawless activity than other presidents.
Oh, nicely put.
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Okay, all
Let's get to another cut here, and I think this is kind of What I don't know I got it's a way to communicate
and get our ideas across.
For a lot of Democrats, liberals and progressives or pro-democracy individuals, this is a way to maybe form your ideas and get that message out there.
Because everybody is like criticizing the Democrats for not doing this, not doing that.
Okay, well.
I think a lot of that is incorrect.
But anyway, this person has it all, and it's Democrat Senator Alyssa Slotkin from Michigan.
They took a survey in Michigan, and she's using some of the information they got from that survey in order to form another message.
All right, a way to communicate, and this is cut 40, so we can get that, let's
listen.
You've said adopt the alpha energy, but you've also said that the Dems...
There's a perception of the party as weak and woke.
It's actually what Michigander said.
There was a poll in February.
And those were the words identified most with the Democratic brand.
Yes.
And I think that, you know, again,
I don't think it's just Trump voters who want something different.
I think our government is a 20th century government, and we're in the 21st century.
It needs to change.
No one loves our health care.
No one loves how we do education.
loves how our government works.
we need to change it, but we want responsible change, not reckless change,
just breaking stuff to
stuff.
I think we need to hear that.
And I think the Michiganders understand that we can't stay the same.
We can't look backwards.
We have to look forward.
But we want to know who that is.
And I think the Democratic Party should be leading instead of just saying, no, no, no, status quo, status quo.
Don't change.
No.
Embrace change.
But put your marker down on what you think should happen.
Talk about how we need a stronger middle class in this country because it's shrinking.
It is.
Don't try to hide it.
It is.
To me, that's the vision piece.
And then because I'm from the national security world, at the Pentagon, you don't go to the bathroom without a plan.
constantly planning.
all these years.
Democrats need a plan.
And I've been in the Senate for like 112 or 15 days.
And I kept, I got tired of waiting for someone else to do it.
So I
just like wrote a war plan to camp with a bunch of my closest like friends and advisors and wrote our best stab at what we should be doing as a country to push back on the threats to our economy and our democracy.
Wow.
I think it's a great explanation.
Who was that again?
That is Alyssa Slotkin.
She's a Democrat from Michigan.
And she's reflecting what she found out in a poll in Michigan.
And I think listening to the people is the way to go.
So why don't we go to the phone lines right now and listen to the people.
Dick, what do you got for us?
Good morning, Dick.
To the big bad bill real quick.
Now there's polling showing that Trump's base, you know, the real hardcore Megas.
I believe that this is a great thing.
It's absolutely great while even a lot of Republicans are questioning it.
Well, they're telling them, sir, you may lose the midterms.
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All right, welcome to the show, Jim.
Jim, good to have you with us.
And again, the commentary on this, which is ours as well, is that, believe it or not, this administration maybe has learned something from the previous administration.
We all recall well within days after Donald Trump taking the presidency, taking his oath in 2017, he did this.
And one of the reasons why courts in a series of three
swatches of litigation back then.
We're striking this down because it seemed targeted again, again, as to people of specific ethnicities and religions.
They have maybe learned a little bit more this time.
And so even though this is going to be challenged this time against 12 nations, they're identified there.
It's Afghanistan and Chad, Republic of Congo, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, a few others where there's some restrictions out there.
And this time, this time, even though it's fairly clear what it brings all those countries in a common group, this time you've got the president saying, well, this is about security vetting and that these countries don't have good security measures.
And oh, by the way, many of the people who come from those countries often overstay their visas.
And for that reason, not because of ethnicity, not because of
point that again I think brings this home what's really going on who president goes on to say we've got this bolder Colorado attack and we cannot have people coming to our country and doing that it is horrific absolutely agree with him on that of course that particular individual he was a an Egyptian national significantly Egypt
not, not, not on the list of banned nations.
again, if I were trying to challenge this, I'd go with that first to say, listen, if you're really concerned about security, overstaying visas, you would include that and you specifically invoked this Boulder, Colorado situation.
It reveals, again, you're trying to dress up something in something other than what it really is.
There are probably those lawyers out there who as of last night are already got the complaints underway.
So we'll go back in the federal courts as we have talked repeatedly on this fine show in the mornings here.
Federal courts are the ones who at least initially are saying, no, you can't do this.
And so this would be a back in court.
There's a district court judge who will probably sometime soon, if not several, enjoy this.
Stop it from happening.
We'll go down this road again.
The government will probably run into the Supreme Court, these emergency applications.
This is a shadow docket once again.
The Supreme Court will probably issue something, and we're back at it once
You know, something to get a little frustrated seeing some of these decisions coming out of the Supreme Court, especially the decision to allow deportation of over 530 immigrants.
530,000.
Yeah, Jim, the thing that bothers me about a lot of this is that we guarantee them
sanctuary in this country, we give them visas, we allow them in, and then suddenly we're just kicking them out right away.
There shouldn't be this ability to change rules in midstream.
We're talking about people's lives, they're moving here, they're in this country, they've settled in a little bit, they have some security feeling of belonging, and then all we do is just pull the rug out, and the Supreme Court is okay with that, that the country can do this.
to people, is there something, there's something wrong inherently in the system, isn't there?
Again, these are two different orders from a period of the past couple of weeks or so.
But Katanji Brown-Jackson, Sonia Sotomayor said the majority is wrong on doing this, permitting the Trump administration to go ahead.
He said the devastating consequences of allowing the government to precipitously upend the lives
and livelihoods of nearly half a million non-citizens while their legal claims are still pending in this country, unconscionable.
And that's really the big takeaway on this.
The other part of this course is people will look at this and say, well, gee, these are Biden era programs.
And that's true.
One of them is the temporary protected status.
That's involving about 350,000 Venezuelans.
That's been around ever since the George Bush administration used in situations where you've got disasters and armed conflicts and extraordinary instabilities to give people a safe place to come.
And then we also got the what's called the humanitarian parole.
That's the one involving a half a million people, same kind of thing.
Joe Biden, to your good point once again, humanitarian president said,
Let's make certain that before we kick these people out, they're given the opportunity to go into court and to make their cases different programs.
Joe Biden did both of these.
That is also, of course, the reason why this president says it's a Biden plan.
It's a Biden program for what it's worth.
Legislatively supported.
This was not Joe Biden just making this
But Donald Trump comes along says Joe Biden's wrong.
And now because of the
work of the Supreme Court on this emergency docket, non-final dispositions, the Trump administration about, you're right, about 853,000 people, depending on how you count them, are now subject to deportation.
Yet even while their claims are still pending in courts, so they may be kicked out, and then at some point the courts here figure out whether or not that was proper or not.
That's what the Supreme Court has done.
in the past
They're so inconsistent on all of this.
There's nothing we can depend on.
There's even common sense of logic does not play in a lot of these decisions, like the one where they rule that Trump can remove officials from independent agencies without cause.
The whole point of not allowing the president to do it is negated.
It's thrown right out.
My head can't wrap around this.
What is going on?
They're just making this stuff up
Right, right.
And you've got it just right.
And again, we've got at least three justices of our Supreme Court who thankfully are also having problems wrapping their heads around this.
This is a situation.
Once again, all these administrative agencies, what we talked about before, this is the unitary executive theory, right?
The
president
Again, we've got a Congress that over the period of many years has established these agencies, like the National Labor Relations Board, like the MSPB, like the Federal Reserve for what it's worth, and said, nope, you keep your hands off of those.
They're independent.
They go once again.
Who said this?
Not Joe Biden, not Barack Obama, but the Congress of the United States of America.
And this president says, no, I can fire.
I can change the members on this.
And the other thing that he does with respect to a couple of these agencies, of course, is by virtue of getting rid of them, he reduces their number below what a quorum would require.
And so you effectively put the MSPB, which is Merit Systems Protection Board, the National Labor Relations Board, what out of business?
They can't do their job because of what, and that's the real purpose, right?
You bring all this down.
Interestingly, the other inconsistency out there, the Supreme Court goes on to say, but as to the Federal Reserve, that's apparently a bridge too far for even this court.
And so the Supreme Court says, well, it can't fire Jerome Powell because of the unique structure of that agency.
When wonder is out loud, you have to be a lawyer.
You don't have to be a judge to figure this out.
What is the difference between the unique structure of that agency and the unique, congressionally established structures of all these other agencies?
It is an articulated difference without a real difference.
And that's also the inconsistency that you're talking about.
Talking with Attorney Jim Santel, host of Amicus Law Review every Saturday morning on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Jim, what about this concept of just flooding the courts with just action after action, all these legal briefs flying back?
Has there ever been any administration that has done anything even close to this?
I
very proud
And so many of these executive orders across the board that we've talked about before, the reason why the federal courts, your previous segment, the reason why they're closing them down is because
they're an inappropriate exercise of his authority.
Who legislates?
Let's all say it together, Mr. President.
It's the Congress, right?
You send them to the Capitol Hill to make these decisions.
You don't make decisions about these things.
You can veto legislation, that's appropriate, but you can't do it that way.
And so when he continues to do this, people run into court and all these things, asking the courts to stop.
this from going ahead, they do.
And the other piece of this, which is the other horrific part, not in all the cases, but the Supreme Court, once again, talking about unprecedented things.
And prior administrations have done this too, but not to this point, Gordy, as you just indicated.
The Supreme Court saying, we'll take this on.
We will stop the injunctions from happening.
We'll let the president go ahead without the full litigation of the cases below.
That's the shadow docket.
That's this emergency application stuff.
It has changed the way we do litigation now about being issues in America.
Well, that changes everything because you're allowed to go ahead with things that are being challenged instead of just putting it on hold, you know, keeping things the way they are and have it go through the court system.
They're doing it the opposite way, just letting these things go and then having it go through the court system.
It's half as backwards as what it is.
It
the
And the feverish nature of the executive orders responded to by district courts and then you run into the Supreme Court again without the benefit of
There's something good that comes from judges at a lower court level, taking evidence, having trials, making decisions, having appeals of those.
And it's winnows and sifts, right?
It's like any decision around your house.
You don't want to do something at 12 o'clock at night without any consideration.
You do it because you pondered it a while.
That's what we're missing.
We're also getting orders from the Supreme Court, of course, that tells us nothing about the reasons for these decisions.
They're unsigned, unsupported orders.
It is no transparency of the sort that we've seen before.
Oh, keep in mind, too, that the House passed a bill allowing these lower courts to be ignored by the president.
I mean, that's the next step that's going to happen.
We're going to take a break here, but I want to get into your opinion on Judge Hannah Dugan's case where there are so many people that signed on backing her position up and saying that, you know, saying basically the court has this ability to do what they want.
This is their domain.
I want your opinion on that when we come back.
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And when we return, we'll continue our discussion with Attorney Jim Santel.
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All right, let's get back to Jim Santel Amicus a law review you can listen to his program on Saturday between 9 and 11 o'clock I did ask a question about Hannah Dugan the judge in Milwaukee who is
under scrutiny by ICE and this administration federal judge has said that there is a problem here perhaps and they're going to take a look at it but there are a lot of judges and a lot of attorneys who are backing her up they've signed a document saying that they don't see anything wrong and that her courtroom is her courtroom it's her domain and she's doing what she needs to do what it was your opinion is this is this something they can hold up in court is this something
they're using in defense of Hannah Dugan.
you
What they're basically alleging is a 10th Amendment constitutional violation, consistent with what you just accurately described.
This is a situation according to Hannah Dugan and her attorneys where the federal government, again, should not be involved in a state government matter.
This is, again, contrary to the
the 10th Amendment that says basically that federal government, you stay off if the rights are not specifically designated in the Constitution.
The state has a right to do its business without intervention by the federal government.
That's one piece.
The other piece, which I find equally fascinating, same kind of argument is that somehow this is also the subject of judicial immunity.
And that
She's doing something judicial.
And there is that concept out there as well.
What is fascinating about the briefs that they have filed is that what are they invoking for the concept of immunity, not exclusively, but they're basically saying to this government and to this Department of Justice, let's invoke a case called the United States versus Donald.
Trump.
a case, by the way, in which, again, John Roberts and the majority of the Supreme Court said, executive immunity applies in a way we've never seen before.
It's not perfectly applicable, but they're basically saying it applies over there.
And you want to protect a part of government from attacks on its operational ability to do its job.
Why shouldn't it apply here?
It is a fascinating argument.
And again, Judge Lynn Edelman, who has the case, will be deciding this as the kind of judge who may in fact entertain these very seriously in addition to the other arguments that are surely coming in this pretrial stage.
Scheduled trial for mid to July, that will not happen.
But there will be a lot of activity once these decisions, once these motions are fully briefed.
We pull out all the stops in America these days, right?
And unfortunately, we bemoan this in our previous conversations.
It's just this notion that you've got Trump-appointed judges.
This is not a Biden-appointed judge.
But based upon their own political views expressed in the past, undeniably, Lynn Edelman, this time in the state house, was a Democrat, right?
And so you look at that and you say, OK.
And he's also plainly been critical of the president.
in connection with some things that fall on his desk.
You do all these kinds of things.
It is a defense, if you will, on the other side of the prosecution here.
And again, we are right here in Wisconsin at the core of this major rule of law issue going forward, having to do with the independence of a branch of government and the role of this administration, in particular, in enforcing its view of not just immigration, but also what happens if you run afoul of their immigration policies
I think the big message, once again, is we'll prosecute you.
And yes, we remember well those pictures.
We will shackle you.
and we will bring you into the halls of justice to stop you from doing
gentlemen?
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