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John and Gordy in the morning.
How's everything going?
It's going pretty well.
How are you doing?
Happy Thursday.
Not too bad.
I mean, it's one of those...
It's a weird time for weather.
You know, you get up in the morning, it's about 55, 54 degrees, something like that.
But, you know, all you have to do is wear a t-shirt and a shirt over it.
You don't need a jacket or anything like that.
It's kind of weird.
I don't remember having to dress like this before.
It's summertime.
Of course, you
know, other people were dressing me at the time.
Well, your boys help you out a little bit.
Yeah, you know, they get up in the morning, dad's got a dress.
Who's turn is it this time?
You
take the pants, I'll take the shirt.
You get the
left
shoe, I
get the right shoe.
I'm assuming those days are coming
for everybody.
I'm going to do my own join ear and stare.
Oh, no, we're all going to die.
Well, that's a nice thought.
We have beautiful sunshine this morning, but it's hazy again.
We've got some haze.
We've got some smoke.
There's some air quality alerts out today.
It's bad
stuff.
I don't know how long this
is going to be
hanging around the area.
I don't know.
Yeah, a couple more days is at least maybe more.
Yeah, those fires are still raging apparently.
Well, it's giving me a
really good excuse just to stay home and not take a walk like I normally do each and every day.
Really?
Yeah, I do a mile around Middleton and I feel pretty good.
It exercises your lower back and that's what it's all about.
That's it.
Good morning to Dominic.
How you doing?
Morning.
I'm
doing pretty good.
All right.
I'm wearing my polo.
I have a little undershirt with that as well.
It's also something new that I don't really wear a whole lot.
So I'm looking stylish.
I'm feeling stylish.
Well, I feel like you are very stylish today.
It's a dramatic change from what we used to have.
Sam had a selection of torn up t-shirts.
that
he
just
wore while he was sleeping.
I remember my first day, I asked him, like, is there, you know, a dress code?
And he's like, look at
me.
There's no dress code.
Nine minutes past the hour.
Weather for today looks just fine.
We're in the fifties this morning.
It's a little cool, but not bad.
And what is your Samsung WMDX watch?
Well, it says
we have 53.
It just went down to degree.
Yeah, as I was watching it.
What's
watching watching
your watch?
Yeah high around 80 today at a low of 56 tonight pretty pretty much like yesterday
And what time is sunset tonight?
Well the sunset is at It's getting later everybody wants to know
834 Wow, yeah, that's good Sun rose at 519 this morning.
Mm-hmm
And I think we'll, we'll be talking to Brittany Merleau a little bit later on.
We have Brittany back from being unsickly.
We should have Brittany back.
We should.
We should.
All right.
And then a little bit later on, attorney Jim Santel will join us.
Yes, yes.
We
have a few questions for him.
Absolutely.
So we check the national day calendar.
No, we're going to skip that.
No, no, we have to, we have to at least see
what.
Days we're not gonna talk about all right.
We're not gonna talk about a national ketchup day.
Why would we talk?
Yeah, I would bring that up.
I do want
to say something about ketchup, okay?
I'm a big fan of ketchup.
I love ketchup.
Yeah, one of the best condiments ever But I'll tell you what you can certainly argue with a lot of people about that about
use of ketchup.
Yeah.
Yeah, put it on a hot
dog
That that is like a very Chicago thing.
It is.
Oh, you don't put ketchup on hot dog.
How
about in
Wisconsin?
We do.
Don't put it on a bra.
No, we put it on a bra
in Wisconsin.
No,
man.
That's loud.
You haven't been, you know, north
of the
Cheddar Curtain long enough to understand the traditions
that we have.
25 years or so.
But yeah.
No.
Well, I grew
up here, and I've been here all my life, damn it, and I hate it.
So then what's your guys' favorite condiment, then?
What is your favorite condiment,
John?
Or ketchup?
Well, I
do use ketchup, but yes, I like mustard, too.
Yeah, you know, but now on a hot dog.
I have done ketchup and mustard.
Okay, that's a good combination.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's an excellent combination.
Not on a
broad.
I'm kind of morphine.
I'm changing a little bit now.
I'm skipping the bun.
You know, I'm trying to
lose calories.
Watch my calorie.
And then my wife is a big fan of Dusseldorf.
Coops.
Dusseldorf mustard.
She says it tastes
just like the mustard in Germany when she was there visiting her brother, who was in the service at the time.
And she loves that stuff.
And Woodman's was out of it for like a month and she was freaking out.
Where's the coops, Dusseldorf?
Anyway, so Dusseldorf and Bratz, highly, highly recommended now.
I'm kind of addicted to that and no ketchup this time.
Well, did they finally get the coups?
They did.
They finally got it.
And I'm sure other stores might have it, but I don't go to other stores.
OK.
It's National Start Over Day.
Don't know what that's about, but you need to start over something.
Today's the day.
It's also, speaking of hot dogs and burgers, it's National Veggie Burger Day.
You like a veggie burger?
I really have tried the veggie
burgers.
I keep trying them once in a while.
It's like not real meat or whatever
the
heck product it was.
I can't remember now, but they
had the burgers made for you already and in a package already sealed.
I didn't like any of that.
It was too fresh.
I mean, it just didn't work for me.
I thought maybe freeze the patties.
They last longer that way.
I can get to them without ruining the damn meat or whatever they call it.
And they're good, but I'm not a big fan of them.
How about you, Tom?
You like veggie burgers?
I
think for me, I just can't get with it.
I just cannot get with it.
When I think of a dog, a hot dog, I just can't think of veggie correlating with hot
dog.
Yeah.
It's just not something that's in my brain.
The problem I have
with it is I think they just put too many spices in it to try to cover up or to make it taste like something.
OK.
So let's move on.
These are days we're not going to talk about.
Nope, we're not going to talk about it.
Moonshine Day.
Get some white lightning.
Moonshine.
Anybody got a still around here?
Mountain Dew.
Nope.
It's National Gingerbread Day.
A lot of food days.
Oh, I love
gingerbread.
Oh, gingerbread.
Okay.
Is that it?
That's it.
There's
nothing underneath there?
Okay, hang on a second.
Scroll a little bit, can you scroll?
I think I did already.
Oh, okay, yeah.
I checked it out before, but
yeah.
All right, because, you know, that was, I was just starting to get into it again.
Well, why?
Just kidding.
You want to talk about gingerbread?
No.
Your love of gingerbread?
Okay.
All right, let's get to the history items for today and the birthdays.
What do you think?
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
All right in 1968 Robert F Kennedy is assassinated.
All right, not starting off.
Yeah, we I remember that yeah, because I was
watching it live
Yeah,
a
lot of paper boomers remember that day.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was
a tough one for
a lot
of the teachers in school
We
were
all in school when the news broke.
Well, this is Robert F.
Kennedy.
Oh, oh, I'm
sorry.
Yeah,
this happened late night in Los Angeles.
Yeah, it was that night.
And yeah, and then he died the next morning.
Sir Han.
Sir Han, Sir Han.
Yep.
I believe is still in jail for that
one.
Okay.
Okay, what else?
I
gotta pay attention to the show.
I gotta listen to some of the detail.
Look, I'm just trying to adjust all the stuff we have today
in front of me.
We got a lot to get to.
And then I think on a lighter note, Elvis Presley performs Hound Dog on the Milton Berleau show.
Oh boy.
Milton Berleau.
Yeah, you can check that out online if you want.
It's a good stuff.
It's a YouTube thing.
Absolutely.
Any birthdays of note?
Birthdays, birthdays.
We got William Upjohn.
For those who don't know who that is, he invented the dissolvable pill.
Well, it helps if they eventually dissolve.
It really is.
It was an important invention.
And then we got, uh, Mark Wahlberg, uh, 1971.
So two completely, you know, of John and Wahlberg.
What do you
think of Wahlberg as an actor?
A lot of people don't like him.
What's he been in?
What's his name?
Oh, man, is he in a lot of movies.
He's in, yeah, almost every movie imaginable.
Right.
Right now.
Yeah, he's really hot.
Okay.
Well, he was in that one where the, uh, wasn't he in the one where he's talking to the, uh, uh, teddy bear?
Oh, yeah.
He got Ted.
Yeah.
Yes, yes, he wasn't dead.
And that was good.
Yeah,
that was a really good movie.
Yes,
and then we got Kenny G, 1956 saxophone player.
Kenny G. Elevator music.
A lot of people like Kenny G. Not one of them, but you know.
But women seem to love him, right?
Right?
No, I think they're more sophisticated than that.
Let's not shame people for, like, you can't cheat.
I was gonna put a song, but now that you guys said that, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
So you
can
play something?
Maybe somebody wants to get up and go back to sleep.
You can
play something.
That's what this program is all
about, serving everybody.
All right, well, maybe not.
OK, we got a text in here from Mark, by the way.
Oh, Beyond B. Phone lines and text lines are all open.
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Mark says.
Yeah, Mark said beyond beef burgers aren't too horrible for a beef replacement high in sodium.
And I
think that was one
of the problems I had with it, Mark.
I
agree with you on that.
But if they had just frozen the patties instead of making them fresh, because you don't always just, you know, reach out for a hamburger, right?
You know, it's a special time, you know, maybe once or twice a month, something like that.
You have a hamburger, but beyond beef,
they
didn't freeze them.
They were just
raw.
Yeah.
What was the other popular hamburger that they first came out with?
The veggie burger.
You remember?
Oh, yeah.
It's still around.
I can't remember the name of it, though.
I have one of those once in a while.
It's not bad.
Those aren't bad, but again, they're
horrible.
They're loaded up, and like Mark says, they do have a lot of sodium, and they definitely have to watch the sodium intake.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
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Are you thinking?
Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's unbearable out there.
The points are very high and it's not going to work out.
We just found out that Brittany is still under the weather.
You know, we're all under the weather, especially the weather that we're getting from Canada.
Right.
Damn.
What the heck, right?
The smoke.
I mean, what?
Smoke and the haze.
Yeah.
I don't remember a lot of forest fires in Canada previous to this last year.
We got it, but
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Well, that's what do you got?
Well, just have a stack of stories for today.
That's all right.
You know, we're going to get into a Palantir, as I mentioned yesterday, we're going to have it all week.
Another cut Friday, but we always feature the first story will be Palantir explaining more and more about Palantir as as we all kind of adjust to the idea that the man, big government is watching over our shoulder.
Yeah, all
times.
Yes, the data is now theirs.
Then they can cross check it with this, with this
Palantir.
That's
right.
Palantir.
That's
Peter Thiel, right?
Yeah, Peter Thiel.
Yeah, boy.
Project 2025.
And Elon put Peter Thiel in charge of this.
So that's why they went into each of the agencies and looked at the PI, personal information that they had, and they put
their software in, in order to connect all of the departments into one where they could just access all the information from other departments and compare data.
And no more about you and me or buying habits, TV shows we watch.
Well, your tax forms, all your personal information, health care, yeah.
We thought health care was kind of a, you know, a personal thing, yeah.
Nope, not anymore.
HIPAA.
Yeah.
What happened to that?
I think everybody kind of forgot about that.
Right out the window.
So right now, we're being surveilled.
And a lot of people are having a problem with that, including the maggots.
Yes.
Really?
So now maybe we know more about them.
And you know, kind of the funny thing that occurred to me was when we have a Democrat in the White House, right?
Maybe even Democrats in the Senate, in the House, we're going to have all of the ability.
to surveil all the megas up there and keep track of them and see what militia they're forming at the time.
Military militia?
I hate to bring it up to the megas that this is going to be weaponized in a way you guys could not have
imagined.
You know, of course they would say they're not going to get a Democrat in the White House ever again.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Sure.
That'll
happen.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, okay, guys, you know, you just play like that if you want, but, uh, you know, we're, we're, we're gearing up.
We're getting ready to go after you and, and, oh yeah, put you in those FEMA camps that you were so afraid of while back.
The FEMA camps.
Yeah.
FEMA camps.
Okay.
Wow.
I'm just, you know, look, I'm just warning them that's all.
They didn't give us a warning.
No.
You're giving them a heads up.
I'm just putting it out there.
How kind
of you to do
that.
Well, that's because...
Mr. Nice guy.
That's the way we pro-democracy people are.
Okay.
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go
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We can duck and cover.
There's a fallen shelter right there.
There's no way to survive this, you idiot.
Idiocracy.
For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.
You're
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Dr. Tim Slecker not joining us today.
Right.
What?
I said Dr. Tim Slecker is not joining us today is not
joining us today.
Right.
Yes.
Normally he would be in this.
Yes, he would.
He would be right here on a usual Thursday.
He's in the process of moving to a different state and he's got a new job.
Yeah.
And so he'll tell us more about it when he, when he has everything firmed up, I guess, I don't know.
He'll be here next week.
Yeah.
That's what he said.
I've been accumulating a lot of stories for, but we'll probably have to toss him up.
with newer stories as the administration destroys education in this country and tries to take over all our colleges with with conservative mega thought.
I can't wait for that.
All right, CNN's senior data analyst Harry Enten broke down Donald Trump's presidency and it's a remarkable failure.
Big surprise surprise surprise.
So why don't we listen to this?
This is CNN and and Trump his failures.
Yeah, you know Kate.
I'm a Buffalo bills fan So I know what losing feels like and I will tell you that the courts have halted Trump's admin agenda a huge number of times What are we talking about?
We're talking about at least 181 times that they have temporarily at least temporarily halted Trump's agenda That is a huge number to give you that in percentage terms in over 50% of the cases that are presented to courts the Trump administration agenda has been halted at least
temporarily so Donald Trump you know tries to do these actions with this administration but the courts have been saying hold on wait a minute here then they have said that at least 181 times so far in just the first few months of this administration
quite a number on tariffs some of the latest is this moniker that Wall Street has we were learning that's being thrown around on Wall Street which is taco and acronym for Trump always chickens out yeah you have numbers on that
yeah okay
So one of the things, you know, you hear these things going on, you say, OK, is this actually entering the mainstream culture?
And we can see this right here in Google searches.
The top term that was Googled with Donald Trump on Thursday was.
it was taco it was taco indeed get this the terms trump and taco Google together up through the roof get this 9900% increase on thursday versus tuesday so if you are wondering whether or not this trump always chickens out and the acronym taco actually has entered the mainstream
Well, Google gives it away, 100% has, and this to me is quite troubling for Donald Trump because obviously he trades on his name, he trades on the idea that he does what he says, and if all of a sudden you're associating Trump always chickens out with Donald Trump, well that is no bueno.
One of the things that you hear from the president and his allies is what's being blocked.
What he's doing is exactly what he promised on the campaign trail and exactly he says what Americans voted for and put him in the White House again to do.
How do you relate, how does it relate and what are you saying in terms of how Americans feel about the president and campaign promises?
Right, exactly right.
You know, if the courts are, if the injunctions are being put in by courts, if all of a sudden he's always chickening out when it comes to his, you know, tariffs, then all of a sudden Donald Trump can't
actually do what he promised to do.
And that, of course, is Donald Trump's bread and butter.
And even before the taco acronym came into effect, our CNN poll asked, good at keeping campaign promises.
Look at this.
Just 48% of Americans said that Donald Trump was good at keeping campaign promises.
Joe Biden's number in April of 2021 was actually higher than that.
Yeah, actually higher than that at 59%.
Now, obviously that Biden number would go down during his administration.
But if you compare where Donald Trump is right now in his presidency to where Joe Biden was in his presidency, Donald Trump's trademark is keeping campaign promises and less than 50% of Americans say he's doing a good job and north of 50% of Americans saying he's doing a bad job on the thing that should be a hallmark for Donald Trump.
And he is failing at that in the minds of the American public right now.
This is an interesting base.
to keep as, as you said, his, you know, ended up obviously falling.
And to see where it goes from this baseline of campaign promises is very interesting, Herring.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well,
thank
you,
Herring.
Thanks.
Very nice
of you to
set that up for us.
High five.
Because I have a few cuts here.
The taco cuts.
So that was from CNN.
Yeah, yeah.
We'll skip cut 59 because that's just a copy of...
part of what we just listened to.
But I do want to play this.
This is the ad.
This is the ad for the Mar-a-Lago Trump Taco.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
There's the whole new chain of restaurants in Florida, I understand.
I didn't know that.
And that's cut 43.
So if we just listen to cut 43, it's the new ad from the Trump Taco restaurant.
Check it out.
Introducing the all-new Chicken Trump Taco.
Only at Mar-a-Lago Taco.
where we serve bold flavor, not bold policy.
Stuffed with flip-flop chicken, guilt-free inflation sauce, and a sprinkle of broken promises.
This taco's got less backbone than a trade war tweet.
They said I'd be tough on China.
I said, how spicy is the taco?
The only thing this chicken taco dodges harder than tariffs is accountability.
The chicken Trump taco, cowardly never tasted so crispy.
Now with zero percent integrity and one hundred percent clock
There you go, mm-hmm doing
the old chicken
dance chicken dance Best application of the chicken dance.
I've ever seen so you don't do the chicken dance at weddings.
No mention that before yeah, not even at the Company parties either like you do not hey
That's it.
It brings everybody together.
No, it doesn't.
It makes everybody embarrassed.
I can't wait to see that.
We're going to put that on social media.
Absolutely.
Of course.
We are happy
to do that.
Now we got a chicken song here.
Do we?
Yeah.
So why
don't we just play a little segment of this is cut 51.
All right.
OK.
No way.
What?
Six to
one.
Six Trump always chickens out.
Big talk Friday.
Sunday he's full of doubt he threatens the world.
There you go.
Let's go taco.
Let's go taco.
Yeah, that one's going to be around for a while.
There goes his brand, the taco.
What can you do,
right?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
Right?
I mean, these are people on the web saying really cool stuff, which I have checked out, by the way, just to make sure they're accurate.
Okay.
But in this case, I know.
This person is very accurate.
I don't have a name for this person.
Sometimes, you know, they're in TikTok.
They don't provide a lot of names or information.
But these are just random comments by ordinary people.
Ordinary
people fed up on the
internet.
Yes.
And this one is, I don't care about your religion.
That's what I call it.
So let's check out cut 55.
And this is, I don't care about your religion.
We all feel pretty much the same way as this person.
Listen,
these comments might be.
strong, but it's how I genuinely feel.
I don't care that you're a Christian.
I don't care what the Bible says.
Like, I feel like it's a clown show, like sitting here trying to decipher what your little mythical book has to say about these very real political issues, right?
I don't care if you're a Christian.
In fact, I will fight for you to have your religious liberty and practice your Christianity.
I believe in that.
I don't believe in Christianity, which means that you do not get to dictate the way I live my life based on your religion.
I don't care what the Bible says.
You have every right in the world, all those women who identify with your religion have every right in the world to not
get an abortion to not take birth control, but they do not have the right to dictate my life and what I decide to do with my body.
I don't care about your goddamn religion.
I'm so tired of having non-stop conversations about what the Bible says.
You live your life.
in the way that you interpret the Bible.
Again, I don't care.
But you don't get to take the Bible and tell me, well, the Bible says this in this chapter, in this verse, I don't care.
I don't care.
I don't believe in it.
And I have the right based on our Constitution to not believe in it.
There you go.
Boy, I can tell you that I have.
Pretty much sounded like that to my mega friend in Milwaukee, who's a born again Christian.
I just don't care, you know.
He picks and chooses what he wants.
He's a cafeteria.
Catholic.
And he's denounced the Pope, by the way.
Really?
Born again, former Catholic.
And he just keeps throwing these Bible verses at me like, you know, maybe, you know, you should just kind of follow some of what Jesus said if you care about Jesus anymore.
Does he have a Trump Bible?
You know, well, I would assume yeah extra stuff a little bit too much money for him.
Were they 50 bucks?
Yeah You know a lot of the mega's they don't they don't have 50 bucks rolling around in their pocket.
Mm-hmm.
So, um, okay now we have we have I You know, sometimes they lie so blatantly that it's just so obvious that I had to I have to play this It's White House budget director Russell vote.
Oh boy, and he's denying
that they're carrying out of their agenda Project 2025.
Even, even though Dana Bash is saying, you know, you're really, you're really doing that, you know.
Oh, no, no.
You know, it's so blatantly a lie that I just have to play it for you.
It's just jaw dropping.
Let's go.
Let's listen to it.
Okay.
Cut 60.
It's on the list, I think.
Right.
Check it out here.
Do you have it?
I don't have it.
I don't have it.
I might have it, but I'm just.
No, no, it's just cut 60.
6-0, no?
Now we got it.
All right.
One of the things that you have become known for is that you were one of the architects of Project 2025.
One of the things that was noteworthy during the campaign was that President Trump really distanced himself.
He said he doesn't know anything about it.
It's not something that he had any knowledge of.
But obviously you did, and you're now there.
And I just want to show our viewers just some of what was on your checklist.
A lot of them have been checked off from Product 2025.
There are others that are kind of in the pipeline, including
Ending funding for PBS and PR and many other things
Yeah,
is it fair to say that what you are doing now is in part enacting this very Document that you and your colleagues worked very hard on project.
We'll have to play
the rest
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We've
been counting down Project 2025 here in the program for a long, long time.
And we know when...
Project 2025 is taking effect, and they have executed almost the entire list.
There's just a few left that they want to take care of, you know, laggers, but they're getting to
it.
They're getting to them.
But anyway, Dana Bash was grilling the guy who wrote Project 2025, and that is House Budget Director Russell Vogt.
And of course, he's going to deny it, but I just thought the denial is so obvious, so ridiculous that it's...
obviously he's lying.
So let's continue the cut that we were playing in the last segment.
Let's go.
Okay.
Is it fair to say that what you are doing now is in part enacting this very
document that you and your colleagues worked very hard on, Project 2025?
No, of course not.
The only people that are delusional about whether the president is the architect, the visionary, the originator of his own agenda that he was very public about throughout the campaign in which
you
are seeing him in rapid fashion go through and accomplish are his adversaries.
And I think it's one of the reasons why you had to have the last segment with the leader of the Democrats who are in such a disarray because instead of talking about the
issues of the forgotten men and women, they're coming up with these fake news stories.
I'm not suggesting that he's not in charge.
I'm just saying that now it's pretty clear that what he wants
to do and what
you planned are dovetailing.
I think the president was very clear with his agenda and he is going forward with the agenda and he has been at the helm and the originator of all of these ideas.
Okay, last question.
Other recommendations from Project 2025, eliminating the Fed, privatizing Spani and Freddie.
banning medication, abortion, are those still on the agenda?
What's on the agenda is what the president has put on the agenda, most of which he ran on.
It's not an answer.
And you will continue to see the things that he's interested in doing, and those people like me will be executing that vision.
Press vote, the OMB director.
Yeah.
OK.
It's all his plan.
It's not my plan.
Now, we supposedly heard all of
this during the campaign rallies.
I don't remember a lot of that at all.
And I think, you know, if this truly was his agenda, where's the agenda taken care of the heavy batteries on boats?
and the fear of sharks.
Where's that part
of
Project 2025 if he's written the whole damn thing?
You know, he is so devoid of any knowledge of exactly what he's signed into place, all of the agenda items that the Heritage Foundation came up with, and yet we're expected to believe that he came up with every one of those ideas, my ass.
Okay, well, yeah, and we found out the other day he doesn't read the intelligence reports, the daily briefings from the
intelligence community doesn't pay any attention to that.
They have to put it on a little video cartoon for him to get his attention.
It's ridiculous.
It is really ridiculous.
All right.
So we got, we got time here.
We're going to get to Pete Buttigieg now.
Okay.
And he's talking about the big, bad bills.
So let's listen to cut 47 here.
Pete Buttigieg.
Okay.
Bad.
I could ask a long wind up question, but I might as well just let you cook on the big, beautiful bill and what you make of it.
It has something for every part of the American political spectrum to hate.
So for conservatives, there's the fact that it explodes the deficit and the debt even more.
You know, one thing that I take seriously from the conservative perspective is the idea that we have to be more responsible about the debt, especially as it's
you know, once you cross that 100% debt to GDP ratio and you add and add to it, especially because part of why we've been able to get away with that much debt is the rock solid reputation for political and economic stability that the US has enjoyed.
Obviously, that's got some holes in it.
So not a great time to be adding trillions to the debt.
So I think conservatives can can see how disturbing that is.
Meanwhile,
Most Americans and definitely most liberals don't love the tax cuts for the rich that are in there which is part of why there is such a big debt and deficit And then you got something that is especially disturbing the liberals, but again, I think the whole country gets at least most of the country gets which is that Kicking 8 million Americans off of health insurance on purpose is a bad idea It's wrong and it's gonna make America less healthy and it doesn't make any sense
Especially when we know that the reason that they're doing it is partly to fund these tax cuts for the wealthiest.
So, you know, these are, this is not, this is not incredibly complicated, even though a budget bill can fundamentally be very complicated.
The facts here are simple.
The fact is cutting taxes for the wealthy, destroying health insurance for millions of Americans and adding to the debt while you're at it is
bad policy.
And I think it's bad politics, but it's up to those of us who stand in opposition to make sure there's actually a political penalty for getting on board with this.
So there you go.
That's it.
And that's a great explanation.
I mean, big bad bill
really bottom landed.
How they're going to fight about it.
And it's in the Senate and they'll try to make some changes and
See if they can pass it.
They're going to pass it.
No
doubt about that.
They're going to accept a few give and takes and that'll be about it.
But they made their stand.
Oh,
we're going to remember all
the people that they made their stand.
By the way, there's a late story here that just happened about an hour ago.
20 city buses in Philly.
20 city buses are on fire in Philly.
Yes.
And they had some video of that, and it's amazing.
It really is.
We'll be watching that as we go along here today.
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As I promised each and every day at this time, we are going to be presenting a little bit more information about Palantir, the new data gathering.
device that they've attached to all of our government bodies now,
to keep track of you
and me.
Where did they come up with that word?
Palantir.
Is
that a?
That's the little globe thing that you might have seen in a movie?
Yeah, the movie.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Well,
sounds like
thanks for asking.
Sounds like a wine to me, a palette.
I'll have a Palantir, please.
Palantir
here.
Lord of the Rings.
Oh, OK.
Lord of the Rings.
There's a globe.
OK.
All right.
That is being used.
Yes.
To communicate.
And that is
the Palantir.
That is
the Palantir.
It's kind of scary stuff, it
really is.
It's
part of the
evil forces in that.
series of books.
But anyway, Palantir, we're gonna feature one now, and this is a web wisdom from somebody who just wanna, you know, kind of found out a little bit information tomorrow, but we're gonna feature a cut from Democracy Now.
And that gets into it.
in a little bit more depth.
So we'll also have that tomorrow, a little bit after seven o'clock.
But right now, let's get into Peter Thiel's company, Palantir, and how they're gathering all the information, the database, tracking our every move, purchases, traffic tickets, exercise, watches,
the whole
thing.
Big brother.
They know everything about us.
Yeah.
Big brother.
And Megas, I thought we're kind of against something like
this,
but for some reason now, it's part of the
Trump plan.
So why don't we get into this?
This is cut 34.
Cut 34.
Palantir.
Okay.
So Peter Thiel now owns Donald Trump, according to the Hindustan Times.
This is referencing a large database that Palantir is now going to be compiling on US citizens or people living in America.
Anybody who's been following me for even a minute knows that I believe that Peter Thiel has owned Trump for a lot longer than just recently.
Teal and the other tech rose forced Trump to take JD Vance as his vice president likely in exchange for using all of our data to do sort of a Cambridge Analytica 2.0 in this most recent election.
And there are a couple of reasons why this huge database being one of them because that feeds into what Peter Teal has been wanting to do with the United States which has turned it into basically a police state using technology.
And the other reason is Palantir gets that they got an eight million dollar contract last week.
Compiling this huge database on all of us is worth tens of millions.
Like we are only six months in and I cannot convey to you how much worse it's going to get.
And I know I sound like a crazy person every time I talk about this is really fucking bad.
Just take it down.
Yeah.
There we go.
Okay.
Well, it wasn't the edited version, so yeah, sadly.
Okay.
Well,
anyway, you got the idea that a lot of people are angry about this whole thing, Palantir.
Yeah, their web wisdom.
Yeah,
yeah.
Hey, let's go to the phones.
Oh, we do.
We
have Mark up there.
Mark,
what do you got for us today on the show?
Good morning,
Mark.
What calls me as Peter Steele is probably just stealing the word that was created by J.R.
Tolkien because he invented a whole language.
for his load.
That's right, he did.
And I wonder if Peter Thiel actually paid anything to them for use of this.
I certainly think that the state of JRR Tolkien should probably sue Peter Thiel for every nickel he's got for misuse of this word and hang him in his hideout to dry.
Boy, yeah, you would think that the family still has a very tight
hold onto that whole book, everything in it, all the words, all the names, you would think that they'd be on this thing, right?
They probably haven't heard about it yet.
Well, I certainly would, I mean, it's like
a... Send a note.
Elon Musk using the word grok.
I mean, that was created by Heinlein when he wrote it, Stranger Than a Strange Land.
That's right.
And it should be a banned word for all MAGA because it's in a banned book, so...
But that's my thought
for the day.
That's a good thought, Mark.
Yeah, I'd like to see a lawsuit in regards to that.
That would be great.
You might remember when Springsteen was in England, and he came out and had a few comments about Trump,
which he didn't like.
He was in concert there making a tour.
That's right.
And
well, now
he has a he has a little video out.
OK.
And I thought we'd play the audio version of this.
It's it's about two minutes.
This is Springsteen.
Let's listen to it.
OK.
There's no art in this White House.
There's no literature, no poetry, no music.
There are no pets in this White House.
No loyal man's best friend.
No socks the family cat.
No kids science fairs.
No time when the president takes off his blue suit, red tie uniform and becomes human.
Except when he puts on his white shirt and khaki pants uniform and hides from the American people to play golf.
There are no images of the first family enjoying themselves together in a moment of relaxation.
No Obama's on the beach in Hawaii moments, or Bush's fishing in Kenabunkport.
No Reagan's on horseback.
No Kennedy's playing touch football on the Cape.
Where'd that country go?
Where did all the fun the joy and the expression of love and happiness go?
We used to be the country that did the ice bucket challenge and raised millions for charity We used to have a president who calmed and sued the nation instead of dividing it and The first lady who planted a garden instead of ripping one out We are rudderless
We have lost the cultural aspects of society that make America great.
We have lost our mojo, our fun, our happiness, our cheering on of others, the shared experience of humanity that makes it all worth it.
The challenges and the triumphs that we shared and celebrated the unique can-do spirit that America has always been known for We are lost We've lost so much in so short a time.
Yep.
Wow, that's Bruce Springsteen Yeah, and that's
a pretty
powerful stuff.
Yeah, you put that out a week or two ago and
Yeah, he gets right to the point.
I mean, he's right on all of those things.
It's completely different kind of White House than we're used to.
There's no art there.
No creativity.
No music.
No pets.
Yeah, when you think about it, right?
No pets.
And notes, you know, just no sign.
Like he said, Trump never takes off the uniform except to play some golf.
Yeah.
And that's, you know.
That's what he does.
Wow.
You know, the thing is, we don't make
a big
issue of the makeup that he puts on.
Oh yeah.
Because it really is just, you know, you see it and you just can't believe that there's somebody putting that amount of makeup.
on his face, orange makeup.
And it's obvious you can see the edges around his face.
It's just, you know, normally we don't talk about how a person looks because, you know, it's really what they're doing and what they're thinking.
But in this case, it's just it's getting crazy.
So obvious.
Right.
All right.
I want to get to one more thing here.
And I think this is really important.
Josh Hawley brought this up.
And I'm glad he did because this is something all of us are thinking about.
Josh Hawley brought up a chart that showed Trump
is off the charts when it comes to nationwide injunctions.
Insinuating people are out to get Trump, basically.
But he was talking and questioning Professor Kate Shaw.
She's a law professor, and Kate Shaw, by the way, is also
Chris Hayes's wife.
Oh really?
Yeah,
it's kind of interstate anyway.
Let's listen to this cut 56 if you could queue up cut 56 and listen to Josh Hawley opening a Pandora's Box, which he shouldn't have opened up.
Let's
go.
The principle of when an injunction biding non parties, which was never done in this country before the 1960s.
And let's see the chart, the Trump chart, which was done really only
Once Trump came into office for the first time.
Now, you don't think this is a little bit anomalous?
You don't think that's a little bit
strange?
A very plausible explanation, Senator, you have to consider is that he is engaged in much more lawless activity than other presidents,
right?
There you go.
This is what is a possibility.
Never used before the 1960s.
And suddenly, Democrat judges decide we love the nationwide injunction.
And then when Biden comes office, no.
It's
Republican appointees as well, Senator.
And the 1960s is where some scholars begin sort of locate the beginning of this.
Can you identify one before
them?
Mila Sohoni, who's another scholar of universal injunction suggests 1913 is actually the first in the 20s.
The Republican endured it for 150 years before it was a nationwide injunction.
Well, the federal government was doing a lot less until 100 years ago.
So there's many things that have changed in the last 100 or the last 50 years.
So
long as it is a Democrat president office, then we should have no nationwide injunctions.
If it's a Republican president, then this is absolutely fine warranted and called for.
How can our system of law survive on those principles, Professor?
I think a system in which there is that blind constraints on the president is a very dangerous system that's
that's right
Okay, a system where there are no constraints on the president is a dangerous system and I'm glad Josh Hawley brought this up, right?
Yeah, again, this has been their argument for the last five or six years, right?
Oh, everybody's going after him all these injunctions nationwide.
How is this possible?
It's just because the Democrats are trying to get him.
No, it's because he is breaking the law.
That's the whole point.
And this is the way she said it.
They're very plausible.
Anishin, you have to consider is that he's engaged in much more lawless activity than other presidents.
Oh, nicely put.
Speaking of the law, we'll be talking to Jim Santel in our 730 hour.
Maybe we can talk to him a little bit about some of that when he joins us.
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And I think this is kind of, um,
I
don't
know, it's a way to communicate and get our ideas across.
For a lot of Democrats, liberals and progressives or pro-democracy individuals, this is a way to maybe form your ideas and get that message out there.
Because everybody is like criticizing the Democrats for not doing this, not doing that.
Okay, well.
I think a lot of that is incorrect.
But anyway, this person has it all, and it's Democrat Senator Alyssa Slotkin from Michigan.
They took a survey in Michigan, and she's using some of the information they got from that survey in order to form another message.
All right, a way to communicate, and this is cut 40, so we can get that, let's listen.
You've said adopt the alpha energy, but you've also said that the Dems...
There's a perception of the party as weak and woke.
It's actually what Michigander said.
There was a poll in February.
And those were the words identified most with the Democratic brand.
Yes.
And I think that, you know, again,
I don't think it's just Trump voters who want something different.
I think our government is a 20th century government, and we're in the 21st century.
It needs to change.
No one loves our health care.
No one loves how we do education.
No one loves how our government works.
So we need to change it, but we want responsible change, not reckless change, not just breaking stuff to break stuff.
I think we need to hear that.
And I think the Michiganders understand that we can't stay the same.
We can't look backwards.
We have to look forward.
But we want to know who that is.
And I think the Democratic Party should be leading instead of just saying, no, no, no, status quo, status quo.
Don't change.
No.
Embrace change.
But put your marker down on what you think should happen.
Talk about how we need a stronger middle class in this country because it's shrinking.
It is.
Don't try to hide it.
It is.
To me, that's the vision piece.
And then because I'm from the national security world, at the Pentagon, you don't go to the bathroom without a plan.
You're
constantly planning.
That's what I've been doing wrong
all these years.
Democrats need a plan.
And I've been in the Senate for like 112 or 15 days.
And I kept, I got tired of waiting for someone else to do it.
So I
just like wrote a war plan to camp with a bunch of my closest like friends and advisors and wrote our best stab at what we should be doing as a country to push back on the threats to our economy and our democracy.
There you go.
Wow.
I think it's a great explanation.
Who was that again?
That is Alyssa Slotkin.
She's a Democrat from Michigan.
And she's reflecting what she found out in a poll in Michigan.
And I
think listening to the people is the way to go.
So why don't we go to the phone lines right now and listen to the people.
Dick, what do you got for us?
Good morning, Dick.
To the big bad bill real quick.
Now there's polling showing that Trump's base, you know, the real hardcore Megas.
I believe that this is a great thing.
It's absolutely great.
Well, even a lot of Republicans are questioning it.
Well, they're telling them, sir, you may lose the midterms.
He's basically like, well, presidents usually do lose the midterms.
Yeah.
Well, if you do, you're pretty much rendered a lame duck.
And then real quick, can I put in a plug for something?
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
State Street Car Show Saturday.
Oh, is it this Saturday?
Yeah, we saw some
cars parked there yesterday on the corner of Johnson and State Street.
Yeah.
Classic, classic beautiful cars.
Yeah,
that is a great show.
It is.
They'll be all the way from down towards campus all the way to the square.
Do you have a classic car?
Yeah, well, I guess you'd call it that.
66 Buick convertible.
Sure, I would call it.
Yeah.
Oh, man, that's that's
fantastic driver.
It's not one of these trade.
It's not a trailer
queen.
So you're not in the show.
Are you in the show?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, you are.
Yep.
I'm in.
All right.
Okay.
Finally kept
my 61
Miscayne.
Thank you.
Thank you,
Dick.
Appreciate it.
What?
61 Chevy's.
Yeah, I had like three of them because
they were
easy to work on.
They were straight sixes.
So get under the hood and I could change the spark.
Good.
Oh, those were the days.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Got a lot to talk about.
Always a lot of legal stuff.
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Jim, good to have you with us.
Oh, it's a delight, gentlemen, and a few things going on on this wonderful Thursday morning, including our president back at it again and with relation to immigration and immigrants in particular.
Yeah.
Yeah, this this time they didn't come right out and see they're banning a religion.
They're just banning travel to 12 countries that happen to have a major religion in common.
And again the commentary on this which is ours as well is that
Believe it or not, this administration maybe has learned something from the previous administration.
We all recall well within days after Donald Trump taking the presidency, taking his oath in 2017, he did this.
And one of the reasons why courts in a series of three swatches of litigation back then were striking this down is because it seemed targeted again, again, as to people of specific ethnicities and religions.
They have maybe learned a little bit more this time.
And so even though this is going to be challenged this time against 12 nations, they're identified there.
It's Afghanistan and Chad, the Republic of Congo, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, a few others where there's some restrictions out there.
And this time, this time, even though it's fairly clear what it brings all those countries in a common group, this time you've got the president saying, well, this is about security vetting.
And that these countries don't have good security measures.
And oh, by the way, many of the people who come from those countries often overstay their visas.
And for that reason, not because of ethnicity, not because of
religion,
we're going to target them.
They point that, again, I think brings this home.
What's really going on?
President goes on to say, we've got this bolder Colorado attack.
And we cannot have people coming to our country and doing that.
It is horrific.
Absolutely.
We agree with him.
on that.
Of course, that particular individual, he was an Egyptian national, significantly Egypt, not, not, not on the list of banned nations.
And
again, if I were trying to challenge this, I'd go with that first to say, listen, if you're really concerned about security over staying visas, you would include that.
And you specifically invoked this Boulder, Colorado situation.
it reveals it again.
You're trying to dress up something in something other than what it really is.
I think it's disgusting to exploit a tragic situation like Boulder, Colorado and use it as an example like this.
That's also just repugnant.
And this will end up in the courts.
There are probably those lawyers out there who as of last night are already got the complaints underway.
So we'll go back in the federal courts as we have talked repeatedly on this fine show in the mornings here.
Federal courts are the ones who at least initially are saying, no, you can't do this.
And so this would be a back in court.
There's a district court judge who will probably sometime soon, if not several, enjoy this.
Stop it from happening.
We'll go down this road again.
The government will probably run into the Supreme Court, these emergency applications.
This is a shadow docket once again.
The Supreme Court will probably issue something, and we're back at it once again.
You know, something to get a little frustrated seeing some of these decisions coming out of the Supreme Court, especially the decision to allow deportation of over 530 immigrants.
530,000.
Yeah,
Jim, the thing that bothers me about a lot of this is that we guarantee them
sanctuary in this country, we give them visas, we allow them in, and then suddenly we're just kicking them out right away.
There shouldn't be this ability to change rules in midstream.
We're talking about people's lives, they're moving here, they're in this country, they've settled in a little bit, they have some security feeling of belonging, and then all we do is just pull the rug out, and the Supreme Court is okay with that, that the country can do this.
to people, is there something, there's something wrong inherently in the system, isn't there?
And the two of you and I find ourselves in good company to that very point, dissenting.
Again, these are two different orders from a period of the past couple of weeks or so.
But Katanji Brown Jackson, Sonia Sotomayor, said the majority is wrong on doing this, permitting the Trump administration to go ahead.
He said the devastating consequences
of allowing the government to precipitously upend the lives and livelihoods of nearly half a million non-citizens while their legal claims are still pending in this country, unconscionable.
And that's really the big takeaway on this.
The other part of this course is people will look at this and say, well, gee, these are Biden era programs.
And that's true.
One of them is the temporary protected status.
That's involving about 350,000 Venezuelans.
That's been around ever since the George Bush administration used in situations where you've got disasters and armed conflicts and extraordinary instabilities to give people a safe place to come.
And then we also got what's called the humanitarian parole.
That's the one involving half a million people, same kind of thing.
Joe Biden, to your good point once again, humanitarian president said,
Let's make certain that before we kick these people out, they're given the opportunity to go into court and to make their cases different programs.
Joe Biden did both of these.
That is also, of course, the reason why this president says it's a Biden plan.
It's a Biden program for what it's worth.
Legislatively supported.
This was not Joe Biden just making this
up.
Yeah, this is legislation passed by the Congress and vote by the president.
But Donald Trump comes along says Joe Biden's wrong.
And now because of the
work of the Supreme Court on this emergency docket, non-final dispositions.
The Trump administration about, you're right, about 853,000 people, depending on how you count them, are now subject to deportation.
Yet even while their claims are still pending in courts, so they may be kicked out, and then at some point the courts here figure out whether or not that was proper or not.
That's what the Supreme Court has done.
in the past
10.
They're so inconsistent on all of this.
There's nothing we can depend on.
There's even common sense of logic does not play in a lot of these decisions.
Like the one where they rule that Trump can remove officials from independent agencies without cause.
The whole point of not allowing the president to do it is negated.
It's thrown right out.
My head can't wrap around this.
What is going on?
They're just making this stuff up
now at this point.
Right, right.
And you've got it just right.
And again, we've got at least three justices of our Supreme Court who thankfully are also having problems wrapping their heads around this.
This is a situation.
Once again, all these administrative agencies, what we talked about before, this is the unitary executive theory, right?
The
president
is responsible and overseeing everything.
Again, we've got a Congress that, over the period of many years, has established these agencies, like the National Labor Relations Board, like the MSPB, like the Federal Reserve for what it's worth, and said, nope, you keep your hands off of those.
They're independent.
They go once again.
Who said this?
Not Joe Biden, not Barack Obama, but the Congress of the United States of America.
And this president says, no, I can fire.
I can change the members on this.
And the other thing that he does with respect to a couple of these agencies, of course, is by virtue of getting rid of them, he reduces their number below what a quorum would require.
And so you effectively put the MSPB.
which is Merit Systems Protection Board, the National Labor Relations Board, what out of business?
They can't do their job because of what, and that's the real purpose, right?
You bring all this down.
Interestingly, the other inconsistency out there, the Supreme Court goes on to say, but as to the Federal Reserve, that's apparently a bridge too far for even this court.
And so the Supreme Court says, well, it can't fire Jerome Powell because of the unique structure of that agency.
When wonder is out loud, you have to be a lawyer, you don't have to be a judge to figure this out.
What is the difference between the unique structure of that agency and the unique, congressionally established structures of all these other agencies?
It is an articulated difference without a real difference.
And that's also the inconsistency that you're talking about.
Yeah.
Talking with Attorney Jim Santel, host of Amicus Law Review every Saturday morning on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Jim, what about this concept of just flooding the courts with just action after action, all these legal briefs flying back?
Has there ever been any administration that has done anything even close to this?
I think the answer is
no, not a
historian, right?
But in two ways, the reason why we're flooding the courts is number one, we've got a president who very proudly is legislating by executive order.
He shows up his signature, right?
He's
very proud
of that in the Oval Office.
And so many of these executive orders across the board that we've talked about before, the reason why the federal courts, your previous segment, the reason why they're closing them down is because
They're an inappropriate exercise of his authority.
Who legislates?
Let's all say it together, Mr. President.
It's the Congress, right?
You send them to Capitol Hill to make these decisions.
You don't make decisions about these things.
You can veto legislation, that's appropriate, but you can't do it that way.
And so when he continues to do this, people run into court and all these things, asking the courts to stop.
this from going ahead, they do.
And the other piece of this, which is the other horrific part, not in all the cases, but the Supreme Court, once again, talking about unprecedented things.
And prior administrations have done this too, but not to this point, Gordy, as you just indicated.
The Supreme Court saying, we'll take this on.
We will stop the injunctions from happening.
We'll let the president go ahead without the full litigation of the cases below.
That's the shadow docket.
That's this emergency application stuff.
It has changed the way we do litigation now about being issues in America.
Well, that changes everything because you're allowed to go ahead with things that are being challenged instead of just putting it on hold, you know, keeping things the way they are and have it go through the court system.
They're doing it the opposite way, just letting these things go and then having it go through the court system.
It's half as backwards as what it is.
It
is.
Absolutely.
If everything becomes an emergency,
then why don't we just get rid of the lower courts and have the Supreme Court decide everything which is kind of
what
they're approaching now with
the
frequency of this and it's a real, I didn't used to think it was a big concern, now I do.
And the feverish nature of the executive orders responded to by district courts and then you run into the Supreme Court again without the benefit of
There's something good that comes from judges at a lower court level, taking evidence, having trials, making decisions, having appeals of those.
And it's windows and sifts, right?
It's like any decision around your house.
You don't want to do something at 12 o'clock at night without any consideration.
You do it because you pondered it a while.
That's what we're missing.
We're also getting orders from the Supreme Court, of course, to tell us nothing about the reasons for these decisions.
They're unsigned, unsupported orders.
It is no transparency of the sort that we've seen before.
Oh, keep in mind too that the House passed a bill allowing these lower courts to be ignored by the president.
So I mean, that's the next step that's going to happen.
We're going to take a break here.
But I want to get into your opinion on Judge Hannah Dugan's case where there are so many people that signed on backing her position up and saying that basically the court has this ability to do what they want.
This is their domain.
I want your opinion on that when we come back.
And we will be coming back in just a moment or so.
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All right, let's get back to Jim Santel Amicus a law review you can listen to his program on Saturday between 9 and 11 o'clock I did ask a question about Hannah Dugan the judge in Milwaukee who is
under scrutiny by ICE and this administration federal judge has said that there is a problem here perhaps and they're going to take a look at it but there are a lot of judges and a lot of attorneys who are backing her up they've signed a document saying that they don't see anything wrong and that her courtroom is her courtroom it's her domain and she's doing what she needs to do what it was your opinion is this is this something they can hold up in court is this something
and they're using in defense of Hannah Dugan?
It is, absolutely.
And so her very good defense attorneys, I know virtually all of them, they're expert.
They know what they're doing.
admittedly these particular arguments.
I want to say that they're novel because they're out there, but they're not the standard fare that
you
only see in motions to dismiss and motions to attack evidence.
What they're basically alleging is a 10th Amendment constitutional violation consists of what you just accurately described.
This is a situation according to Hannah Dugan and her attorneys where the federal government again should not be involved in a state government matter.
This is again contrary to the
the 10th Amendment that says basically that federal government, you stay off if the rights are not specifically designated in the Constitution.
The state has a right to do its business without intervention by the federal government.
That's one piece.
The other piece, which I find equally fascinating, same kind of argument is that somehow this is also the subject of judicial immunity.
And that the judge is immune from doing this again because it's in her courtroom.
She's doing something judicial.
And there is that concept out there as well.
What is fascinating about the briefs that they have filed is that what are they invoking for the concept of immunity?
Not exclusively, but they're basically saying to this government and to this Department of Justice, let's invoke a case called the United States versus Donald.
Trump.
There you
go.
And that was a case, by the way, in which, again, John Roberts and the majority of the Supreme Court said, executive immunity applies in a way we've never seen before.
It's not perfectly applicable, but they're basically saying it applies over there.
And you want to protect a part of government from attacks on its operational ability to do its job.
Why shouldn't it apply here?
It is a fascinating argument.
And again, Judge Lynn Edelman, who has the case, will be deciding this as the kind of judge who may in fact entertain these very seriously in addition to the other arguments that are surely coming in this pretrial stage.
Scheduled trial for mid to July, that will not happen.
But there will be a lot of activity once these decisions, once these motions are fully briefed.
All right.
And there is some scrutiny over the appointee, Judge Lynn Adelman's past comments about Trump on this as well.
They're trying to, they're trying to attack the judge in this case, you know, making it seem like he's partisan.
Right.
We pull out all the stops in America these days, right?
And unfortunately, we bemoan this in our previous conversations.
It's just this notion that you've got Trump-appointed judges.
This is not a Biden-appointed judge.
But based upon their own political views expressed in the past, undeniably, Lynn Edelman, this time in the state house, was a Democrat, right?
And
so you look at that and you say, OK.
And he's also plainly been critical of the president.
in connection with some things that fall on his desk.
You do all these kinds of things.
It is a defense, if you will, on the other side of the prosecution here.
And again, we are right here in Wisconsin at the core of this major rule of law issue going forward, having to do with the independence of a branch of government and the role of this administration in particular in enforcing
its view of not just immigration but also what happens if you run a foul of their immigration policies.
I think the big message once again is we'll prosecute you and yes we remember well those pictures we will shackle you and we will bring you into the halls of justice to stop you from doing
that.
Well Jim you're going to be on call because the Supreme Court has a whole bunch of cases they're going to be looking at and finally deciding on so get ready.
We
may have to call some of them coming up.
Absolutely.
Maybe, maybe birthright citizenship and who knows education, all kinds of things.
Happy to talk.
This is the time when once again, our Supreme Court mid morning, our time begins to issue these major rulings that affect our lives and our livelihoods.
Delighted to be with you.
Very good.
We got to leave it there, Jim.
Thank you for joining us.
That's Attorney Jim Santel.
You can listen to him Saturday mornings, 9 to 11 on the Civic Media Radio Network with his great program, Amicus Law Review.
Thanks, Jim.
Talk to you again soon.
Always
a pleasure.
All right.
All righty.
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