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Mr. President, Wall Street analysts have coined a new term called the taco trade.
They're saying Trump always chickens out on your tariff threats, and that's why markets are higher this week.
What's your response to
I kick out.
Chicken out.
Oh, chicken out.
I've never heard that.
You mean because I reduced China from 145% that I set?
Yes.
Down to 100, and then down to another number?
Yeah.
I gave the European Union a 50% tax.
And they called up and they said, please, let's meet right now.
Please, let's meet right now.
And we have an end date of July 9th.
thing at all.
does country in the world?
Maybe he is acknowledging climate change now.
Oh, there we go.
That could be it.
There are none.
Now, I know we had Great Britain, right?
They signed on to something.
But, I mean, they didn't sign on to anything.
They said they were agreeing with Trump.
on an agreement, but that's about it.
It was in words, not writing.
No writing at all, so no one has agreed to any of this stuff.
And now, of course, we have a judge who says he has no legal right to do this with tariffs.
Yeah.
All right, now, we played an interesting cut from Scott Pelley.
from 16 minutes, right?
He talked to a Wake Forest crowd, commencement speech.
And it was inspirational and it was a warning to everybody about the free press.
But, you know, Fox News had their own interpretation.
And Greg Gutfeld and Kayleigh McAnie, McAnie, that's right, turned over a few little things that they thought were important about his speech.
So why don't we here cut 200 here?
CBS anchor Scott Pelley, unloading his BS on 47 while giving a college commencement speech.
In this moment,
this moment, this morning, our sacred rule of law is under attack.
Journalism is under attack.
Universities are under attack.
Freedom of speech is under attack.
And insidious fear.
the fear to speak in America.
He wasn't arrested after that.
You know, he wasn't arrested.
He should have been because there is over at life.
What do you know about journalism being under attack?
What does he know about that?
I mean, 60 minutes should be reduced to zero minutes.
Yeah, it seemed like a like an ego trip for him.
Harold, you know, it's it's the thing that gets me is that these people choose to say these things on a one way street.
like at award ceremonies and commencement addresses, because they know that people can't talk back.
It's not a conversation when you go up there and shout at people.
Like we do.
Yeah.
OK.
Well, OK.
All right.
Well, Scott Bellin has a lot to learn in his commencement speeches.
Apparently, right?
here's something we we promote a little bit here and this is the fourth pillar okay of project 2025 yeah what's this all about yeah and I thought you know we should have covered this in some way shape or form I did not
know about this.
The Heritage Foundation had been hiding the most controversial elements of Project 2025.
Remember when they came out and they said, well, you know, we've got something else cooking, but we're not going to tell anybody about it.
Right?
Yeah.
It's the fourth pillar.
doged it.
They destroyed it.
They tore him apart, including the Justice Department, who advance his own interests, even if they undermine those of the country.
It's got to be the interest of Trump.
Why don't we listen to this?
This is a representative talking to Brendan Carr, who is the FCC chair, and she was grilling him about the fourth pillar.
Now that you know a little bit about it, let's check it out.
Yes or no?
As the main author of Project 2025, are you aware of this fourth pillar playbook?
Well, to be...
Yes or no?
To be clear, I'm here in my official capacity.
Yes or no?
I
don't want to have any confusion on that.
I'm
reclaiming my time.
You are under oath, and I don't want you to filibuster.
Yes or no?
Are you aware of this fourth pillar playbook?
Okay, just so I can be clear, that writing that I did was in my...
Personal capacity.
Oh after getting the
reclaiming my time.
I didn't ask you that are you aware of the fourth pillar playbook?
And can you detail as you were under?
What exactly it calls for?
Again, I've not seen this fourth pillar you playbook.
I find it hard to believe that you don't know the
details
100
will please under oath and do not waste my or the public's time.
So he wrote it, but he's unfamiliar with it.
I never heard someone dodge so many questions in my life.
You're good at it.
You're about to, once you take over as our producer.
Again, this is a 180 day transition playbook.
The fourth pillar was to expand Trump's power over all the executive agencies.
Now we talked about this too, the Chevron.
doctrine, which was also repealed by the Supreme Court, which allowed these agencies to overlook or oversee rather all of the legal ramifications of their agencies.
You know, the Congress gave them this power, they gave them regulations to enforce, and these departments could enforce those regulations and maybe expand on them a little bit to cover things that Congress didn't think about or didn't anticipate.
But the Chevron doctrine passed...
rejected by the Supreme Court now after so many years, a half a century.
Now the departments didn't have any power at all.
And so they had to leave all the power of these departments up to the courts to decide what is important, what should be regulated and what shouldn't be.
Now they went one step further with the with the fourth pillar by just giving all the power to the president.
Yeah, just hand it over.
Yeah.
and destroying the departments and firing people and closing off buildings.
All right, so that's essentially it.
And that's Brendan Carr, the chair of the FCC.
Get rid of this guy.
Anyway, he certainly, he wrote it, but he's unfamiliar with it at this point.
Let's
is
All right, guys, if you see the new Ackerman, I guess that's what it's called for.
Trump for the big heavy hitters on Wall Street, what they call him.
just, oh, I'm sorry.
We just played it.
No, we played it.
Great.
Yeah,
Yeah.
about it.
Also, the wonderful little session he had with the broadcast today.
when he was pressed on, you know, what do you do with Putin as far as sanctions?
Yes.
And then he, of course, went to his old playbook.
This is Biden's war in Putin's war in Zelensky's.
Biden's?
Really?
And then, then I liked when he went all ward cleaver on him.
He goes, I'm very, very disappointed.
I mean,
Wow, Ward.
Yeah.
He really put the beat down
and he was surprised
Well, he pays no attention to the last 25 years.
we've said many times, I mean, Putin is what he is and he always has
going to come back a couple of
He was going to get his Cadillac yalt care to the last term.
It's going to take 13 million people off.
You know, whatever.
Dick, thank you.
Always good to hear from you.
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Shed, whatever.
I'm
I'm bad at old scenes.
Anyway, here's Miller's statement.
CBO claims extending the current tax rates, not raising them, will cost the government $4 trillion in revenue.
Since when?
have libertarians argued that not raising taxes cost the government money.
Well, I know the original tax, Trump tax cuts will continue to cost us money and add to the deficit.
Yeah, easy.
I don't know.
That was pretty simple.
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Now this would be brief.
It'd be a small little one in high temperatures today should be flirting with about 70.
So a little bit more mild compared to yesterday.
And then we start the warmth, right?
That climb by tomorrow will be in the upper 70s.
It'll be super sunny, kind of breezy, though, tomorrow.
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You've got about one or two days left until that dew point starts to get annoying
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I just brought it back to Madison actually over the weekend.
It's a sailboat made of styrofoam, yeah.
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Sam, I hope you come back and visit, though, OK?
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I mean, I'll have to say hi if I'm in Wausau sometime.
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think
They took a look at the first 30 days and she told 317 lies in those 30 days So not bad not bad I'm sure she got a big gold star from Donald Trump for that.
Well big thumbs up Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
I think still probably beats her Okay, Caroline Levitt bigot
I added that.
They're telling us who they are, folks, you know, when they talk.
This will make it perfectly clear the kind of monsters slithering around the halls of the White House now.
Believe it or not, she's making perfect sense to the mega party.
Let's listen to cut 190.
Can we listen to cut 195?
We don't have
build the anticipation.
used to your name.
I knew I was
No.
My dad's friend from high school also had a kid named Sam, and whenever we hung out together, he would call me Sammy Jean, because that's
middle name is Eugene, so instead of calling,
differentiated his kid and me, calling me Sammy Jean, you could call me that.
By the way, we're going to have a cookout in the studio, right?
going to do something.
I'm moving up in the world, John.
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And the president is more interested in giving that taxpayer money to trade schools and programs in state schools where they are promoting American values.
But most importantly, educating the next generation based on skills that we need in our economy and our society, apprenticeships, electricians, plumbers.
We need more of those in our country and less LGBTQ graduate majors from Harvard University.
And that's what this
administration's position is.
And we also are not going to tolerate the illegal criminal anti-Semitic behavior that we saw take place at Harvard and many other college campuses across the country.
boy oh boy I mean they're just making a pretty pretty damn obvious and there was a survey by the way so on CNN where people had a lot of confidence like 65% confidence in going to college and getting a degree but now it's down to 35% so this mega attack in colleges it's working it's working yeah
All right, let's get to our guest today.
And of course, we always love to talk to Jim Santel about legal issues.
He is the attorney here on civic media, right?
With amicus.
every Saturday.
You can always listen on Saturday 9 to 11 o'clock and Jim we got a lot of topics to talk about but we last hour talked about or this hour the fourth pillar at the beginning of the hour we talked about the fourth pillar and I mentioned that this was being something that they're starting to talk to Brendan Carr about he's the FCC chair.
because he's the guy who wrote most of this.
And he can't remember exactly what he wrote, but he did write it as a person, individual, not part of government.
And so that's the excuse.
So what can you add to the- Tell us about the fourth pillar.
Yeah, Gordy wanted to know more about the fourth pillar and what it's all about.
And it may well be once again that our administration is invoking the word fourth in at least two different areas.
I suspect by virtue of the examination of the FCC chair, you're probably talking about what's sometimes called the fourth estate, which is media, right?
That's press.
Those are the people who keep us under the First Amendment.
The first thing that James Madison wrote, obviously, after our Constitution was put in place many years ago.
And is there an attack by this administration on that?
that fourth estate, that fourth pillar, again, in Project 2025, but since the president has been in office, absolutely.
We think about the lawsuits, right, that are being filed, the threats being made against legitimate, and frankly, even smaller media outlets across the board telling them basically,
60 minutes is the big one that's, of course, on the agenda today, right?
And CBS News, they want to also be acquired through Paramount and need the authorization of the administration.
And so attacking 60 minutes and saying, don't do what you're doing.
You've got departures there of the news chiefs because they're not going to put up with it.
And the concern there, once again, is when you lose a free press, not just 60 minutes, but across the board.
Print media, frankly.
of civic media, other entities like this, that talk the truth and talk about what's really going on there.
That is the bastion.
That's one of the standards against which this other attempt to try to disinform and try to uneducate American population.
That's what the media does.
That's one aspect of the fourth pillar.
The other one, much more simply, is this attack on agencies.
It's also kind of the fourth pillar of our government after the legislature, the courts, and the executive branch.
And there we've seen, you talked about this as well in the past.
You're attacking any agency that's out there.
Why?
Because those are the people who know what they're doing, right?
There's a scientist.
Those are the educated folks.
who understand how the world works and keep us safe and secure.
We don't trust those folks anymore.
And that's also a fourth pillar type attack, administration using fourth in a number of different ways, all of them, all of them wildly inappropriate and hugely dangerous.
the
And you might think, well, gee, that sounds right.
It doesn't because we've got all these administrative agencies
Oh, for example, like the Federal Reserve, right?
And they create, again, economic policy, including interest rates, designed by the Congress to be what?
Independent.
You
Jerome Powell basically threatened recently with his own job.
And again, that notion that, no, all of that, the unitary executive, all that should be responsible to just one person, the executive.
Donald Trump, it is again very dangerous.
And it's contrary to what the legislature has put in place, by the way.
If you want to do this, you can once again do these things.
You have to get legislation in place.
That's the big sin, among others of this administration, right?
You can't simply legislate by executive fiat.
You got to go through legislative mechanisms and make it the law, right?
And that's, again, so many instances of that.
You can't simply issue statements and say, I've changed the world.
That's what our Congress is for.
You want
to
Yeah, the Unitary Executive was just a crazy idea at the time.
Now it's for real.
They've actually emphasized it.
They didn't let this thing go, and now it is generally accepted.
at least under the Trump administration.
You did mention also that the Supreme Court just made a decision that Jerome Powell can't stay in his job.
He can't be fired.
But other departments, even though they're non-political, even though they're independent, they can be replaced.
I don't understand the differentiation here.
Did they ever make a difference, a reason why there's a differentiation?
spot on when it comes to the analysis here, because what they said was, well, the Federal Reserve, there are uniquely structured and agency that kind of is special.
Well, that's also all these other agencies as well.
The Merit Systems Protection Board, those are the people who decide on personnel issues.
The National Labor Relations Board, we all know what that does.
Those are the labor folks, right?
And again, created by the Congress to be independent.
There's no real distinction.
And again, this past week in one of those many issues that kind of flew under the radar, Supreme Court does say, well, Jerome Powell, you're okay.
Apparently that's a bridge even too far for John Roberts.
We don't want Donald Trump messing around
You're okay.
But these other folks, yes, indeed, you can remove them while the underlying litigation about whether removal is appropriate still goes on in the courts.
Stunning, once again, that the Supreme Court
embracing at least part of this on Capitol Hill too.
Not a small decision and doesn't abode well for what the Supreme Court may do in other unitary executive theory cases coming up.
And so this is another federal court.
It's a federal court of international trade, international issues.
And it is a federal court.
You can appeal this, of course, to the next level.
But again, a three judge panel there looks at all of this and says, you do not have the authority to do this.
And it says to a couple of countries, Mexico and Canada, and then more generally, they kind of issue two different orders here, completely much related.
but separate in terms of their sort of status.
It is, again, these are people who know what they're talking about.
They're judges who do international trade issues.
That's all they do.
And the fact that they would yesterday, the three judge panel, returns this order.
Again, another one in this great line, federal judges saying, Mr. President,
You might like to do this, but you can't.
You don't have the authority to do this.
And if it was taken at, again, be the serious thing that it should be viewed as, it should stop him from doing all of this so-called negotiation.
I know in the past hour, once again, you just, particularly this notion, there's nothing in place.
He's got nothing negotiated, even with Great Britain, as he just said.
We've just got these words out there
frozen caveman?
Let's play that
So they're going to appeal this thing from the, this federal judge and eventually it goes up to the Supreme Court.
They make a ruling and he ignores that too.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, that's been the, that's been the system so far.
Okay.
Got to take a brief time out here.
We'll come back with attorney Jim Santel in just a moment.
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We're talking all about the importance of education.
And along the way, apparently, our Secretary of State who has
Three of us have talked at great length in the past, has a lot of assignments these days inside the executive branch just last night, just Wednesday.
He announced that the Department of State, one of his assignments, which we thought was a principal assignment, is going to, as he said, aggressively revoke, you know what that means exactly, but aggressively revoke visas of Chinese students who are here.
He invokes the notion that they have ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
You're in the United States of America and and they are they're studying these critical fields and he's going to basically pursue those Who are again Chinese of origin properly here by the way studying in America?
And again, the notion is, we don't know exactly what the focus of this is going to be, but the notion once again is that they're going after the scientists.
The idea that somehow we have Chinese nationalists, maybe members of the Communist Party invoking, again, 1950s scare tactics in America.
All these communists here from China being educated and they're learning all of our secrets, taking them back to China and therefore we're going to revoke.
That's really what this is all about.
It is, once again, the latest attempt to attack education, which we should support worldwide, right?
And I predict that we're going to have just an entire decade where
things just go absolutely wrong and we no longer have the businesses that we need in this country.
We don't have the scientific research anymore in this country.
Everything is being moved and outsourced to other countries because we're just not accepting them.
And we have this paranoid feeling that, you know, the students that are coming in from other countries are here to spy on us, which is just amazing and just truly unbelievable.
We've talked about this on this wonderful program.
Got the Columbia student, the Georgetown student, tough student, all of them arrested.
Why?
Because they're speaking out about positions.
Yes, it has to do with Palestine.
And again, Marco Rubio says what?
He says that that very speech on our campuses
is
and our safety.
and said,
They're not dangerous.
But they're still facing deportation proceedings on this absolutely anti-American theory that somehow international students who are here
Speaking their minds, again, it doesn't even matter what they're underlying.
It is important, but it doesn't matter.
It's just expressing their First Amendment rights and capacities, and they pose a threat to all of the good people in America.
We need to get rid of them.
That too is Marco Rubio.
That too is your Department of State in this nation.
No small
You've affirmed this routinely and has had a Supreme Court Justice like, oh, I don't know, Antonin Scalia and even John Roberts and others out there.
The fundamental civics notion we repeat all the time because it's still just can't put this thing to bed.
When you are here in the United States geographically, you have a right to benefit from not everything.
You're not able to vote.
You can't run for office, but you've got rights of protection, things like
due process.
Yes, indeed, Kristi Noem, habeas corpus.
That also applies to people who are here on our soil.
Equal protection, all those kinds of things.
And yet there's this notion, well, they're not citizens anyway, so we can deprive them of those rights.
And oh, by the way, we can also pack them up and arrest them and send them to planes all around the nation, around the country.
I'm
around
Jim Santel, we have to leave it there.
You can check out Jim on Amicus, a law review every Saturday, 9 to 11 a.m.
on Civic Media Radio Network.
Thanks, Jim.
Talk to you again soon.
It's a pleasure, gentlemen.
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