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Big Bad Bill Breakdown: Smashing Politics and Policies (Hour 2)
John & Gordy · Thu May 22, 2025
When the chips are down and democracy's back is up against the wall, two radio veterans step up to the microphone to right the wrongs, standing for truth, justice, and just because.
To say what needs to be said, it's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.
Good morning, WMDX.
It's John Peterson, Gordy Young in the morning.
And another big day, another slew of weird news and, and, uh, idiocracy.
It just, it just doesn't stop.
And they just, and they just passed the big bad bill.
Big bad bill.
They just passed it in the house.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
It's not in the Senate yet.
No.
But anyway, it.
Who could have predicted that?
Who could have predicted that the House would somehow, you know, find the votes
or pass
the dumbest bill in the world.
The most, actually, you know, people are starting to.
catch on to this whole game and the fact that this is one of the cruelest bills ever passed in the U.S.
I think it'll go down in history.
I mean this is punitive.
Everything that Republicans do is punitive and we do that in this state constantly.
We always penalize everybody.
We don't give them anything.
We don't fund anything.
We penalize them.
And this is one of those huge big bad bills that punishes everybody.
And wait till you hear what's in that damn bill.
After seven o'clock we'll be featuring some debates.
Adam Schiff and who is it?
Sheldon Whitehouse.
They will be trying to get some answers from the administration department heads and they don't get any answers.
And oh, you're going to be really surprised at this.
A lot of people, a lot of parents out there have deductions.
They have dependence that we have to take care of.
Well, that's changing.
You will not believe this.
And the implications are gigantic, huge.
Just wait till you find out.
Okay, all right, and that's all coming up next hour, but I can't wait.
We've got idiocracy.
We've got to cover the smaller stories, but You know that'll be maybe after Brittany Merleau because we've got Jim Slecker from busted pencils coming in at 735 635
Tim Slacker.
Tim Slacker.
Okay, what did I say,
Jim?
We really shouldn't have booked Jim and Tim on the same day, should we?
What did I say,
Jim?
You said Jim.
Jim Slacker.
I think you were
thinking also Jim Santel.
Jim Santel after
7.30,
yes.
I
can't keep track anymore.
I know.
It's a jam-packed
show.
It is.
It's
cloudy
out here this morning
and
kind of chilly.
Well, you know, I feel a little disoriented because I don't have my watch on.
I noticed.
I forgot.
You keep
forgetting it.
Why?
I thought you slept with it on, right?
Well, I do.
And then I take it off when I get up and it charges within an hour.
So it's charged for the rest of the day.
until I take it off again in the morning.
So
I
mean, I have a routine here, but my son came up this morning and he was telling me how the Democrats are voting and who votes more Democratic and who isn't.
And he's on this thing because Gen Z's, they want to change the way.
the Congress works.
You know, they want some youth in there, they want something better, and they don't want these old, traditional boaters,
you know.
A lot of the old guys.
Like this to happen.
That'd be an age limit.
You know what the onion headline that I got yesterday was?
What was that?
It was a cobweb covered skeleton grips his desk as he claims he'll run for a 15th term in the Senate.
Oh no.
That's good.
Wow.
Okay.
I love that.
That's what it's come to.
Well, so it's cloudy, it's chilly out there, 44 degrees on the WMDX thermometer right outside her window overlooking State Street,
here
from the global headquarters of Civic Media, and it feels like 39 degrees.
There's a little bit of a light breeze.
But what would the afternoon high be today?
What should we use?
Which one of our many devices did we get the weather wheel fixed?
You want to do that?
I think we have the weather wheel fixed up and ready to go.
We haven't heard this in a long, long time.
Right.
Yeah.
And storage.
Yeah.
Good spin there, Sam.
Throwing off a lot of cobwebs.
And it's, what does that say?
59.
That's what
I'm seeing from here.
OK.
59 degrees will be the high for today.
It's too bad.
We don't know sunrise, sunset.
You don't have your watch on.
Do you have that
information?
I pulled up my weather app and it's blank.
It's not telling me.
That means we're not going to have weather today.
Yes, no temperatures, no highs, no lows.
Kind of calm.
What are we going to
do?
I don't know, bump into walls?
I guess.
That's what I'm going to do this in.
All right.
Well, OK, here we go.
Well, you want to have the National Day calendar?
Well, you know, I know we
weren't going to do that anymore.
But I'll
just mention that I wasn't going to do it anymore.
What am I
thinking?
I mean, if we were going to do
it,
we'd find out about National Craft Distillery Day.
But I know you don't drink beer anymore.
So
you don't care about that.
National Solitaire Day.
You play Solitaire?
No, it's just a game, right?
I don't play games.
National Vanilla Pudding Day.
Vanilla Pudding Day.
I love
Vanilla
Pudding.
Do you really?
Oh, God, yes.
Everybody loves Vanilla, right?
No, I can't stand it.
Wow.
National Biomusical Instrument Day.
Wait a minute.
National Biomusical
Instrument
Day.
Wow.
Sam.
I didn't know you played trombone.
I sure don't.
Well, how did it get in here?
Look out.
Don't hit Dominic with that slighting thing.
There's
no room in there for a
trombone.
How did that get in there?
Why do we have a trombone in here?
Every radio station has a trombone, John.
Oh, yes.
I forgot.
FCC law now.
New administration.
So how did you come to get that trombone if you're not a trombone player?
Well, I kind of wanted it just for the bit.
Trombones are just such a fun instrument.
I found it on Facebook Marketplace a few months ago.
How much?
No, really.
Well, it was half broken at the time.
I fixed it up, but it was only like $30 or $40.
Wow.
That's a good deal.
How did it break?
I mean, it looks like
one piece.
One of the tubes was missing, so activated my plumbing skills and soldered on a new brass pipe.
Dominic, do you play any musical instruments?
It's National Biomusical Instrument Day.
I used to play the recorder when I was in first grade.
Other than that, I have not touched a musical instrument since.
I used to play with my tape recorder.
Oh, okay,
I'm sorry.
Yeah, those recorders, those plastic recorders.
Do you think that that company would still be in business if it wasn't for first grade?
classes all across America
just
forcing kids to try to
play any kind of
musical instrument because they don't, you know, you don't, you don't progress anywhere.
It didn't
inspire Dom to go any
further with the musical
interest.
I think I actually, I had a black belt too.
There used to be like a colors on the recorder that you can like how, how, how really good you are at the recorder.
And that's like, it determines like if you have the black belt or, you know, a yellow belt or anything like
that.
And what did you
move up to the Black Blind?
I think I just had an orange belt, so I think level two.
That's pretty good, though.
Yeah, you really worked up there.
Well, do we have
any
history items to talk about today
for May 22nd?
Oh, you know, I suppose so.
Do you want me to open the book?
Please open the book.
Oh,
God.
No,
don't do
that.
Look out, Tom.
I'm gonna...
He blew his nose.
I cannot be in this room anymore.
He blew
his nose.
What's that?
I cannot be in this room
anymore.
Okay.
Dom is now... He wants to get
out of there.
He's kind of souring on this whole
thing.
I wonder what's happened in the history book that we had that...
Trombone speak up there.
Right.
Well, it is by musical instrument day.
You're right.
It must be that.
It makes sense.
I wonder what happened on this day for them to choose May 22nd as... Well, I don't know.
We don't do
the National Day count
already.
Well, I guess we'll never know then, Gordy.
Yeah, I don't
know.
All right.
Well, stuff that we actually know that happened today.
A little bit of downer history, I guess.
Today, in 1939, the Axis Powers officially formed.
Germany and Italy, they signed their big agreement.
Not good.
Not good.
Japan joined them shortly thereafter, but that was the initial.
Axis of
Evil.
This coming up here, 1992, Johnny Carson, he hosted his last show.
Yeah, that's right.
Far before I was born.
So, Johnny Carson is not as big of a deal to me as it is to you guys, but can you remember who was his last
guest?
I don't remember the last guest.
You don't remember the singer that got on Johnny's
desk?
On the desk?
Was that it, really?
Rolled around on there while she sang a song.
Was that Ben Middler?
Yes, it
was.
Oh,
okay.
Good call.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I
remember it.
I didn't think that was the last.
I know, you know, they lead up to these last shows.
Yeah, I get confused.
Johnny
led up to it for a year.
All the guests.
Yeah.
All I remember is that Letterman didn't get it.
That was a
big
dissapointment.
That was a controversy.
The guy who did take over after Johnny, of course, was.
And
now
here's Corey.
There you go.
I am so glad you had that.
My
imagination is that some weird, weird strut.
I mean, that is weird, wild, wacky, wacky strut.
You're correct,
sir!
Little Phil Hartman.
Yeah, and Dana Carvey.
Yeah.
SNL.
Anything else happening on this date?
So you guys are going to have to fill me in on this.
I should have looked up the video of this happening.
Today in 2004, then President Bush crashed his mountain bike.
Do you remember hearing about this story?
Yes, I
do.
I don't really remember that.
He wasn't seriously injured
obviously.
No, he kind of just got up and kept riding.
Hmm people people sort of made fun of him for it.
Well, I remember when Biden fell off his bike Yeah, I don't know how I missed that that I saw the video of that yesterday
He was seriously injured in that president Bush was he
wasn't was
he?
Well, that's why he was in a wheelchair for the rest of his noise Yeah, no, I remember it.
I don't remember the details
Okay, Bush was a total incompetent So I wasn't surprised
didn't pay much attention to him.
No, I did
But you
know, it was it was his puppet master that I paid more attention to and that's Dick Cheney.
Oh, yes Yesterday about how the man in the White House right now isn't really in charge.
That's true.
I did I should have brought that up.
Yeah, but he was in charge.
Well, we know
We know that Project 2025 is in charge of the White House.
OK.
Russell
Vaughn.
Russell Vaughn.
OK.
Or vote.
Vote.
They say vote.
Vote.
No, I think.
OK.
Yeah.
It's 18 minutes past the hour.
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More
than guys you put out the feeler for someone to call in so I just happen to be out there Okay, thanks So I had a thought today You know how retirement homes and these development communities they have these brochures to sell their Their living standard to you right sure.
Yeah,
you know, so I was wondering what what do you think that brochure would look like for this white only
tech fuse, robot fuse, you know, gated, CEO driven communities that these tech bros want to create for everyone in the future.
Oh wait, only the white people.
Sorry, not
everyone.
That's right.
What do you think that brochure would look like?
What would they tell you?
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I think, you know, some elementary school teachers should set that project
in
motion.
I think, well, I think that's a perfect project for AI to do.
Just ask AI what the retirement home for a tech bro would be.
Yeah.
Now, I haven't used it.
I haven't used AI.
I haven't used any of those apps at all.
I should.
I really want to, but, you know, I just don't have time.
I honestly do not have time
to
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No, I mean I research everything anyway.
I don't really need to have AI helping me out.
But what I want to do is I want to have fun with it.
I want to play with it and I haven't had time to do that, Matt.
No, it would be fun.
I'm sorry.
I'm lashing out
at
you
because
they passed a big bad pill this morning.
Okay.
It
did pass?
Yes, it just passed right before we went on the air.
Passed the house, now goes to the Senate.
By one vote.
Big surprise.
I'm looking for a suicide boost this
month.
Yeah, thanks.
Thanks for that project.
That's a good idea.
You know, we should try and find out.
You know, being in the upper echelons of our age group,
we get a lot of that mail, don't we?
You know,
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Oh yeah, I get that every day.
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John and Gordy in the morning on a beautiful day so far.
Beautiful.
Kind of cloudy.
Yeah.
Kind of overcast.
Looks like the clouds may break for some sunshine this afternoon.
It's 44 chili degrees high today, just 59.
It's
not so beautiful where Dr. Tim Schlecker is at right now.
That's right.
Yes.
Tim is on the road right now, calling in, and it's time to find out what's going on in Busted Pencils.
You know, we have a couple stories here and names that we love to talk about very often here on Busted Pencils, right?
It's all about education.
It
is.
Tim, first of all, let's get a traffic report.
Where are you and what's it like?
Well, in case anybody in the Madison area is planning on driving interstate 79 between Pittsburgh and Erie, Pennsylvania, where, you know, it's a 40 day rain.
Right.
You know, local farmers are taking people on their boats and I'm driving.
into I don't know you know I think the visibility is about one car
wow take it easy
it's it's safe it's it's very safe all right
why I'm glad to hear it because I'm thinking of going to that Costco over there and now
all
right John's doing a coast-to-coast
Costco tour that's right
Hit them all
I guess I've been talking about them a little bit too much now.
They want me to represent them so That would be nice though.
I'd love to have that pocket change.
Hmm.
All right Let's get to our first favorite person to talk about and that is Linda.
Linda McMahon She is the secretary of the Department of Ed And she's been hired to destroy the Department of Ed.
I don't know what party could possibly get away with putting people in
to destroy their own department, but somehow they got away with something like this, right?
I mean, the Republican magas, what are they thinking?
They put the right person in place.
Well, you know, I mean, okay, seriousness, right?
I mean, this is what they said they were gonna do.
You know, so, I mean, for anybody who's going, wow, I didn't see that coming.
It's
like, well, really?
Went paying attention.
Yeah.
You
know, it was like the picture saying like, look, I'm going to throw a slow curve that's going to break right at the home run spot where you swing.
That's right.
It's, it's a rough, you know,
it's
tough.
You know, but, um, it's, it's a hard thing to, to look at daily though, and to, and to see that you say the dismantling of a department that really provides.
funding to fill in the gaps where the states don't have the ability to fund.
For example, as we said, special education.
And people say, well, they said they were going to give it back to the states.
And that's where education is supposed to be.
In fact, constitutionally, education is represented in every state's constitution.
And the federal government has no constitutional authority over education.
So this is just plain old good constitutional integrity and it's back where it belongs.
But the problem is that federal legislation on...
the requirements and I'm going to say in the special education frame says that students with special needs have to be taken care of and where state's funding falls short in that that's where the Department of Education came in and said in fact here's the law and here's the money so that you can do what the law says.
Exactly.
Yeah, and what they want to do now, and it's a clash of agendas.
Republicans in state want to cut education funding.
Now the government, the federal government wants to cut education funding.
Uh-oh, we've got a real problem here.
Why don't we play this cut?
This is Representative Dean talking to Linda McMahon about shifting the costs from the federal government to the state.
This is cut 150, all right?
Why are you shuttering a department that's supposed to lift up those children?
Because those programs don't have to flow through the Department of Education and they...
They can flow through the state.
I'm a state... I was a state legislator.
That's called shift and shaft.
I've spoken with the governor of Pennsylvania.
They can't pick up the tab anymore for education of our students.
Not to mention it would be inequitable by state, by state, by state.
Why are you in this job at all?
If you don't have a dedication to the future of our children, why are you in this job?
I, too, am a mother and a grandmother, and I want the best for my family going forward, for my grandchildren, for my great-grandchildren, and I hope to leave a legacy that we have established best practices for education that all the states can use.
That would be a great legacy to be able to leave, to be able to show states
These are some of the things that they can do.
I think states have to look at their budgets.
Madam Secretary, the legacy you will be leaving is that I shut down the Department of Education.
How we educate our children determines not just their future, but our own.
I think it's a sad legacy you will leave.
I yield back.
All right, that's it.
Mic
drop.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And some really good points there.
Again, the states cannot pick up the dime on this thing.
They can't fund it.
And they've been cutting funding for education.
So this is a clash.
And this is what happens when you have the same agenda working at both sides, the state and federal government.
Yeah, I mean, you know, in fact, you know the home state right there at Wisconsin is an example.
I mean, thank goodness for Governor Evers right now.
But again, the state legislature continues to defund public education and you mix that together with the federal defunding.
And wow, look at the problems.
Yes.
And that applies also to higher education.
You know, they're obviously going to find some reason to deny increasing
funding for the UW system here in the state.
Every budget, they do the same thing.
They object to something the UW has done, and then they say they're going to cut funding or hold up funding.
And it's the same thing every biennial.
Every time they want to pass a budget, this is what happens.
And it's just ridiculous.
And now, of course, I think they're going to
make some cuts to the Pell grants and some of the funding for college loans, right?
I think that's what's also on the agenda on this big bad bill that you just passed this morning in the house.
Oh, there's Tim.
I
guess the rain became a little too much for
you.
Wait, I thought it was beautiful.
No, I I refuse to say that, you know if I hear anybody say beautiful on that thing I'm really gonna be angry, you know, it is a bad bill horrible horrific
Did we lose Tim?
He's been lost in the storm.
He's driving through some rain there in Pennsylvania.
Visibility is about one car right now.
Do we
have the door?
We'll get we'll get him back in just a second.
Let me take
this horrible
Okay.
Oh, you're back.
All right.
All right.
Now you're back Tim.
Yeah, I think I'm back, right?
Yeah, I think so.
You've always been there, but you know, you're back with us.
Yes, so.
Okay.
Where were we?
Well, we were talking about college funding.
I mean, they're going after that too, in the big bad bill.
Yeah, well.
I mean, you know, here's the other thing to kind of look at this.
People are like, you know, why?
And, you know, again, I'll come back to my, you know, I guess role model mentor, Diane Ravage, who's been, you know, a historian of American education.
And she always comes back, you know, there are all these potential reasons, but the biggest reason to look at this is...
do away with public education and the commitment to a universal, well-rounded education that situates public students, the public, for life and democracy.
And when you do this to education, what you're saying very straightforward is that we do not believe in educating the public.
We do not want to educate.
So there it is, it's straightforward.
You know, they're not ideological cuts to diversity, equity, and inclusion.
It is a direct cut on freedom of thought and
freedom
to learn.
Yeah.
You know, that's what I've been saying all along is really a freedom of thought thing.
association.
I mean, if you want diversity, equity and inclusion, what's wrong with that?
You know, it's just it's an idea that they're banning into saying it is illegal and racist.
It's a very, very strange thought process.
And by the way, I wanted to always ask this, Tim, when we when we look at funding education for college,
I'm wondering if, how are they going to make standards for each and every state?
Each and every state, of course, can adjust their education any way they want.
How do these colleges kind of sift through their students, student applicants, if every state has these crazy, different ideas about teaching in school, certain courses, certain classes?
Let's just say Florida, because we know Florida's crazy.
How do they accept, how do they accept students?
I mean, I think this is a real detriment to a lot of students trying to go to college, isn't it?
Yeah, I mean, that's a great point, John.
I mean, I don't know, I guess, you know, who can write the most incredibly gracious, you know, essay on why they like President Trump and Ron DeSantis or, you know, a fool.
Full scholarship will be awarded.
Yeah, apparently.
Yeah.
That's
great.
Stretch is the imagination, doesn't it?
All right.
Let me see.
Wait
a
minute.
What's that?
Yeah, we don't want to, you know, we, SAT scores, come on.
Hey, we want to see your commitment to the leader.
See how good a patriot you are.
It's a it's a patriot education that I'm really worried about, you know
Wow.
All right, let's get to Ryan Walters.
We love Ryan Walters, the superintendent of schools in Oklahoma.
He lashed out at a TV station there, K4, a reporter for asking if he should take responsibility for the state being consistently rated at the bottom for education, ranking 48th out of 50 states.
And as expected, Walters had his pad answer.
Let's go to that.
Cut 128.
So let's take a look at that question.
Again, K4 gets fundamentally wrong, which at least you're consistent of being wrong.
So we're not in the bottom of education.
We've continued to see dramatic increases in Oklahoma City and Tulsa.
No, y'all don't care to report facts.
Facts are, facts are stubborn.
Hey, look, K four, I got it.
I got it.
You're fake news.
I got you.
The K four will consistently report lies.
And I'm going to consistently call you out on this.
So thank you for the question.
Again, you couldn't be more wrong.
You guys are always wrong.
And Oklahoma taxpayers are tired of, they're tired of your lies.
They are tired of the media not.
putting a spotlight on an issue like the budget.
K4 doesn't want to talk about that.
They don't want to talk about the amounts, the cost to taxpayers.
They don't care.
And so, folks, I gave you a question.
You don't like my answer.
That's OK.
So what you're going to continue to see is fake news like K4.
Yeah.
Try to cover up the major issues facing American families.
That's right.
Oklahoma families, do you want more money in your pocket or not?
Do you want your income taxed?
I think the answer is no.
I hear it every day.
Do you want your property tax for the rest of your life?
I think the answer is no.
So I'm going to continue to fight against lobbyist special interest, fake news media outlets, and I will continue to defend the people of Oklahoma unapologetically.
All right, Tim, we want your answer after this break.
We got to take a break right here.
But crazy stuff.
We'll be back with more with
Dr.
Tim
Slecker on the road.
Talking about education on John and Gordy in the morning.
Open the morning and out to school.
The teacher is teaching the golden
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I remember the old days, his education.
Yeah, reading, writing, arithmetic.
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And we're talking about right now, Ryan Walters.
He's the superintendent of public schools in Oklahoma.
And he says it's fake news that his school system is ranked 48th out of 50 states.
Well, you know, I was thinking about that.
I think he's right, you know, because
If you're talking about counting, I mean, typically you count up.
And so if you've got 50 in the number line, if you're 48, you're really close to the top.
In his mind.
Yeah, he's working his way up to 50.
Definitely.
The top of the list of the
worst.
They're almost there.
Yeah.
And in the fact that, I mean, if you remember the cut, and I know that I have a very big problem with attention span, if you remember the cut, he is asking for less funding for his schools.
As the advocate for education in his state, he wants less funding because he wants people to take more of their tax dollars home with them.
Right?
Yes.
Right.
I mean, because, you know, the last thing that the public schools need is resources.
Right.
You know, I mean, think about it.
He's got a goal.
He's trying to get to 50.
And, you know, less money would help him meet that goal.
No, here, here's the thing.
This is a Republican legislature, right?
And this is what Walters told him.
I told the legislature, don't give all the money you gave me last time.
And they said,
We're going to give it to you anyway.
Again, my head just explodes just thinking about this.
And by the way, he also asked for students getting a Bible, the Trump Bible with the Constitution and everything like that.
Every student should get that.
The Republican legislature turned him down on that one.
You think?
You know, when I was in fourth grade, they gave every kid in my class a dictionary.
I guess the
Bible's what kids are
getting instead
these days.
Yeah, things have changed.
All right.
Sam, I'm sorry, but you know, the dictionary, there are words in that dictionary, diversity.
It's in that dictionary, and see, that's the problem.
There's some
bad words in there,
right?
Yeah, when you were in fourth grade, you see how you got vocally indoctrinated?
See?
Yeah.
Yeah, equity is in there as well.
I know an inclusion is probably another word in life.
I can't believe how the school
system failed me like that.
Gosh!
But the Bible probably doesn't have any of that stuff that we know of anyway.
Oh my gosh.
Well, I
tell you right now, the Bible and the story of Noah seems to be appropriate right now for me.
Yeah, once again, where are you on your way to
eat?
I'll give you a visual.
Oh, OK, for those of you watching on Facebook
or YouTube.
Oh yeah, there we go.
Rain is coming down.
The windshield wipers going.
Wait a minute, are you driving and throwing your camera around?
Yeah.
Both hands on the wheel there, Tim.
Hey, I got both my knees on the wheel.
OK.
OK.
Good.
Well, education, it doesn't look really good at this point with Trump in charge.
And we're only a little over 100 days in, Tim.
I mean, what do you expect is going to happen here with education in this country?
Okay, I think we lost Tim once again in the rainstorm.
Oh, there is one way.
I think Am I here?
Yes.
Yes.
We got you.
We got you.
Oh, I'm here.
Yep.
Got
just a minute or two.
Yeah, I think that in one way that we're actually seeing people getting tired of it.
Yeah.
Education which
Okay.
I think Tim is heading into some heavy
rain.
Another thing Tim, what they have done also is they're cutting funding for green energy.
And a lot of these schools are updating and building new and they want to put solar panels on their schools and all that.
Now it's going away because there won't be any rebates that they could take advantage of.
So the whole thing is kind of collapsing from all different
ends.
I think we may have lost our connection
with him.
He's gone town with the ship.
He drove off the road, no.
Oh, no.
Well, we're just about out of time anyway.
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Coming up on John and Gordy of the Morning, stay with us.
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Wouldn't you like to know weather, boy?
You're pretty high on fire, aren't you?
What kind of kick are you on, son?
You're
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What if you want coffee?
Coffee.
Coffee.
Black coffee.
Coffee.
Coffee.
They warned us about people like you!
What a load of crap.
Thank you, sir.
May I have another?
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Yeah stay tuned for that.
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you know we're going to get into a lot of the details of the big bad bill that just passed the house this morning as we got here in the studio and it is it's outrageous and it's ridiculous and your head will explode but it's good to know at least some of these things that are in this bill and they have look this is this is a bill of punishment
This is a bill to tell people you're staying where you are.
The billionaires will be moving ahead, but you will stay in place, running in place, trying to keep up paycheck to paycheck.
These guys aren't for the working class.
In any way, shape or form, they weren't before the election.
They certainly aren't now, and they're proving it with a big bad bill that just passed.
Your mind will have a hard time accepting this first.
first story that I have for you.
And this is cut 152.
Cue this baby up.
Now if you're a parent or we're a parent, but you know the implications of this, this is truly an amazing thing.
Cut 152.
This is a shocking moment.
Representative Chantel Brown exposes the cruel side of the mega plant.
Listen.
My amendment would strike an especially harsh provision in this bill that is rooted in cruelty not policy This simple straightforward amendment would strike the work requirement provision in this big bad ugly bill that lowers the age of what we call a dependent child from 18 to 7 From 18 years old
to
7 years old
So I'm abundantly clear
we're saying
that eight, nine, and ten-year-olds are no longer considered dependent children.
Where did this come from?
Why is this necessary?
Since when is a first grader not a dependent child?
Preventing families with children as young as seven from losing food assistance?
That is what we're debating here.
That's right.
You know, if they're dependent, they can get the food assistance.
Yeah.
If they're not anymore, then you can, they don't qualify.
Right.
And there are so many things tied in with the dependent issue.
And to lower it down to seven years, I, honestly, I mean, they passed it.
Okay.
Yeah,
they did.
All right.
So there you go.
That's the first piece.
of nightmare that we're going to present today.
And they were, you know, the Republicans were grilled on this.
Department heads were grilled on all of this stuff.
And I want to present this.
This is Representative Teresa Ledger Fernandez.
She talked to Representative Jason Smith, who refused to read a part of their own bill to her.
She asked him to read it, but he wouldn't.
So let's listen to cut 142.
This is cut 142.
Would you please, so that the American public knows what this bill does, one of the little things that it does, would you please read page 901 line 20?
I think it'd be better if you read it.
Oh, he doesn't want to read it.
I'll
read it.
I know the legislation but I'm not going to be part of your little show here.
So you can read
it.
It was a question if you would read it.
So I'll ask ranking
member
Moore to read the text.
This is in their bill.
They don't want to read a line from their own bill.
Ranking member.
I don't want to read the bill for you.
I
love
you.
I am testifying about this legislation.
I'm not going to read the bill to you.
Okay, I am
this
is amazing.
Ms.
Lager Fernandez, shall I pass this back or shall I read it for you?
I am a member of this committee.
I am the ranking vice chair of the committee.
So section 111106 repeal of excise tax on indoor tanning services.
So they're gonna repeal, they're repealing an excise tax
On
tanning beds.
They're repealing attacks on silencers.
Okay, so if you have a tanning bed, you get a little bit of a tax break.
And if you need a hospital bed in rural America, I'm sorry, you're out of luck.
There you go.
I mean, that breaks it down, doesn't it?
And that's what passed.
Unbelievable.
That's what passed.
Now, Adam Schiff read a part of the EPA laws that they wanted repeal.
And EPA director Lee Zeldin was on the hot seat for this one.
And I want you to cut 143 on this.
This is incredible arrogance again.
You just heard an arrogant individual not want to read it to a female representative.
OK.
Wow.
All right.
A little sexism there.
But then we have now this Lee Zeldin also not wanting to cooperate with the questioning.
This is Adam Schiff with a question.
I want to be very specific about the legacy you're going to leave if you're successful in eliminating half of our efforts to clean our water and our air.
Your legacy will be more lung cancer.
It'll be more bladder cancer.
It'll be more head and neck cancer.
It'll be more breast cancer.
It'll be more leukemia and pancreatic cancer, more liver cancer, more skin cancer, more kidney cancer, more tic-ticular cancer, more colorectal cancer, more rare cancers of innumerable varieties.
That will be your legacy.
I don't know if that's a legacy that anyone should want to have.
My kids are gonna be breathing that air just like yours.
My family's gonna be drinking the water just like yours.
We may not be able to pinpoint just who gets cancer because you've done away with half the budget of those looking out for our clean water and clean air.
But it's gonna be somebody's kids, it's gonna be somebody's family, to put this in more specific terms.
There are 22 grants frozen by the EPA focused on improving health and reducing pollution, many of which directly impact children.
For example, one project in Santa Ana, California provided funding to help detect and prevent lead poisoning in children.
According to the census, about 10% of the population in Santa Ana are under the age of nine.
For the population of about 310,000 people, that means that 31,000 children are at risk of lead poisoning
in Santa Ana without this funding.
What is it about this grant that you and EPA believe is problematic enough to freeze this funding and put potentially 31,000 children at risk?
Senator, who is the grant applicant?
This is to the city of Santa Ana.
You have
the biggest state, so I wanted to go
through every single list of the grant.
By the way, with that
wind up, by the way, I understand that you are an aspiring fiction writer.
I see why.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I understand your view that you can cut half of the agency, and it won't affect people's health or their water, their air.
That to me is a big fiction, Mr. Zeldin.
And if I have to thank Mr. Zeldin, I think Mr. Zeldin, if your children were drinking water in Santa Ana, Mr. Zeldin, maybe you wouldn't be so cavalier about whether there was lead in their water.
Maybe you would give a damn instead of coming in here and suggesting that any grant
that takes lead out of the water must be waste, fraud, or abuse because
you need the money for a
tax cut for rich people
because
you're totally beholden to the oil industry.
You could give a rat's ass about how much cancer your agency causes.
The gentleman's time has expired.
There you go.
It's expired.
We weren't on a hot topic at all, something that should be discussed.
Let's cut it off.
The time ran out, so the most Americans time ran
out.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, that is truly amazing.
Let's go to the phones right now.
We've got Dick up on the phone here.
What do you got for us, Dick?
Good morning, Dick.
Well, as far as the dependency, they'll probably lower the age that you can work to about 10, so get a job, you 10-year-olds.
That's right.
They won't be dependent.
But another quick thing that's in this thing that's really nice,
is the guy on MSNBC, Ratner was crunching numbers this morning, and it'll roll us back to where we were 10 years ago with the Affordable Care Act, this number of people will strip off.
Now
one last thing to the Democrats, their big thing now is they want a big field for 2028 for president.
I suggest you concentrate on next fall because 2028 won't mean a darn thing.
if we don't even have free and fair elections by that time.
In other words, I think that what they're up to right now with voter suppression, with the possibility of foreign enemies interfering with our elections, it behooves us to make him the ultimate lame duck next fall so we don't have to worry about any of this.
But to worry about 2028, I think it's time to maybe crawl before you walk.
Well, I would say so.
Yeah, you're right.
And the affordable, like Care Act, by the way, they want to strip away the bonus tax credit that they gave during COVID, which, by the way, will raise your premiums for everybody who's on the ACA in the marketplace.
It'll raise your premiums by $200 to $300 a month.
So you're going to be losing that per year.
You're going to lose at least $3,000 or $4,000 a year just on premiums alone for the ACA.
You know, the other thing that's sickening about hearing, we got to have this huge field and mimic what they did in 16.
I don't think they came out with the best candidate in 16.
In fact, he lost by 3.5 million volts.
That's right.
Good
point.
Thank you, Dick.
Appreciate that call.
19 minutes past the hour.
When we come back, we'll check in with WMDX chief meteorologist.
Brittany Merleau
get
an update on the weather.
And we've got more of the hearing as well and some questions to Lee Zeldin the EPA.
Oh boy.
Stay with us.
going to be affected by.
Thursday morning.
Yeah, it was really cloudy when we started the show.
Now we're seeing sunshine downtown and temperatures in the 40s.
We'll get into the upper 50s a little bit later on today.
Before we get to chief meteorologist Brittany Merleau, I have to make a correction on our crash box therapy.
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We were
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They have plenty of stuff there to smash up.
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Okay.
That sounds like
a good plan.
Let's
find out what's going on in the web.
We should take the entire morning show crew there and just go nuts.
Don't
you think?
It's one of those places where you can break stuff for anyone.
Yeah, yeah.
It's going to end up like an office
space where they go out and bust up the printer.
That's what it's going to be like with
us there.
That
would be too
much
fun.
Brittany Merlot, you are definitely invited
when you get
that going, OK?
OK, good.
Because I've got a lot of anger from Mother Nature pent up
sometimes.
I know, I know.
I'm not a
stress in that job.
But today, today things are looking up.
Yeah.
They
are.
Yes, right on time, right?
I brought the sunshine right out there for you.
It's going to continue to be sunny today and pretty much through the entire weekend.
The sunshine is taking over now.
This high pressure system is going to steer a lot of the systems away from us, so we're going to stay dry.
until I think Monday evening is our next chance of a few scattered showers.
And it could continue into Tuesday, but otherwise temperatures hitting about 60 today, low sixties tomorrow, mid sixties on Saturday.
We're going to hold the mid sixties on Sunday, Monday, and then we'll flirt with 70 by Tuesday.
So spring weather is back.
That's it.
All right.
Getting out the shorts, not really.
Not really.
Almost.
Almost.
He's still across advisory up north.
Oh, what?
It was 30 degrees in Ashland and Superior this morning.
I'm in a turtle neck.
I don't know if you've noticed.
Yeah, I did.
I'm still freezing.
Oh, man.
I'm kidding.
Wow.
So do you have big Memorial Day holiday plans?
Are you going to be doing any traveling or visiting family?
I have the family coming up to me this time.
Really?
So we're going to...
Go kayaking.
I think we're going to do some offroading, too.
We're a big Jeep Wrangler family, so hitting trails.
Oh, great.
That
sounds like they would really love that.
All right.
You've got good weather for it.
OK.
All right.
Yes, we do.
Thanks, Brittany.
Brittany, thank you very much.
Thanks
guys.
That's our WMDX chief meteorologist, Brittany Merlo.
Let's continue now with the question name of Lee Zeldin, the EPA secretary.
This is Sheldon Whitehouse now.
He took his turn of disapproving everything.
Elton was lying about and this is Cut 145.
Check it out.
Well, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin and Democrat Rhode Island Senators Sheldon White House squaring off over the agency's review of federal grants.
I now have three versions
of
the
facts.
That
Travis Oyls, and I, and others are working on this every single day that we're in office.
And we're not going to waste dollars just because you insist on EPA lighting taxpayer dollars on fire.
The American taxpayers, they put President Trump in office because of people like you.
They have Republicans in
charge to the House and Senate because of people like you, because you don't care about 99% of this story.
You don't want me to go through the list of all the evidence of waste and abuse.
No, what I want you to do in conflicts of interest, what I want you to do all five recipients, you don't care about what I want you to do
is explain why the Department of Justice lawyers representing EPA in court under a duty of candor have said that everything you've just said isn't true.
There he is.
Zeldin has been trying to cancel hundreds of Biden-era grants.
He says are a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Sounds a little like the APA and Doge.
Maybe, you know, picking up some of the, picking up some of the slack that Doge has kind of left over.
And the
administration has a lot of support for this.
And just looking at the numbers trace, it was nearly 800 grants that were awarded by the Biden administration under
the
2022
climate
law.
which directed the EPA to spend $3 billion on grants, and then the law allocated another $20 billion under the so-called Green Bank Program.
So they're trying to track down these dollars, and they said they found a lot of waste.
Wandering endlessly.
Not a bunch of
it.
Yep, good.
All right, that's so, oh, what a waste of money.
Let's check out this next code, 146.
This is White House and Zeldin again, about the lawyers, and their opinion.
KOJ lawyers representing EPA admitted in the Circuit Court of Appeals that they are not accusing anybody of fraud.
That's their quote,
not
accusing anybody of fraud.
And EPA in that courtroom specifically reiterated several times that no grantee had engaged in any fraud, waste, or abuse.
Do you stand by the statements of your lawyers in that courtroom?
I would love
to be able to go through the list of all of the waste and abuse that I'm aware of.
But it seems like you and your colleagues want anything other than for me to go through the list of evidence.
You're more than welcome to submit a list of all the evidence.
But when I only
have five minutes, I don't
want
you to.
You don't want me to go through the list of evidence.
You just want to say that we don't have any.
No, no, no, stop.
Let me stop you.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold
on.
Let me stop you right there.
It's not me saying that you don't have any.
It's your lawyers.
in a court proceeding
saying you don't have any.
So allow me to talk through it.
So I'll take it as a question for the record, because our time is up.
But please, give me your list.
I'd be more than happy to review
it.
Very
sent you over a lot of it,
but I guess you have.
I just want to bring this up, because Louise Elden, what's waste and fraud to him?
Two of the eight nonprofits that were awarded billions of dollars last year were established in 2023.
And according to him, the group's newness, he argued, made them unqualified.
See, they have a different approach to all of this.
They
just read into whatever the hell they want.
Remember when Biden was throwing bricks of gold off the Titanic or something like that, trying to wrap up all of the funding for all of these bills to save our environment?
Well, that's bad too.
We don't want to spend money on saving our lives and not giving us some kind of major disease.
I would do
that, right.
7 29 right around the corner.
We've got the Midwest food and farm report and then attorney Jim Santel will join us right after that on John and Gordy in the
morning.
That's too much.
WMDX, John and Courtney in the morning.
Sounds like my last piano lesson that I took.
Really?
Yeah.
Why did you give it up?
You know, you were doing so well.
Well, I thought I was doing okay.
It is by a musical
instrument, Dave.
Yeah, it is.
Sam, why don't you test out that trombone
again?
No, not
again.
How much did you pay for this thing?
Oh, God.
What?
Oh, look out.
Look out, Boris.
You know how to do that.
Is that the only thing you know how to do with that
trombone?
That's the only thing I can do, yeah.
How much did you pay for that?
I don't know, like $30?
Seems like a deal, and you had to fix it.
Jesus.
Alright.
He about to broken.
Trombone for $30.
It was only $30.
So you could fix
it.
All right.
He's Mr. Fixit, man.
Yeah.
All right.
It's 7 36.
We've got sunshine now this morning after a cloudy start.
Temperatures getting close to 60 later today, right now, 46 degrees.
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All right.
All right, our guest
today is Jim Santel.
Attorney at Law.
Where's our attorney music?
I'm waiting for the big intro.
Don't we have a... Where's
the Gary Mason music?
Where's the...
Or Law and Order.
Law and Order.
I played the
intro music to his show.
I guess we'll get to that
in a little bit.
There you go.
I mean, I know that, but, you know, right now we're, you know, building up this...
this tension level.
I have
music wherever I go.
Wherever I enter a room, the music plays just miraculously.
What's your favorite attorney music?
What's your favorite attorney?
Which one of those shows do you like?
Law and order is fun just because everything from birth to death is wrapped up in 15 minutes and the music represents that as well.
This happens, crime committed, victims identified, witnesses,
and we're done, move on to the next crime within 42 minutes of air time.
That's amazing how they do that.
Well, you've got it down.
I think you've spent too much time watching those shows, Jim.
I think
I have, yes.
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Okay, we got a lot of stuff to get to here, Jim.
Well, why don't we
get to Habeas Corpus?
So let's get to the definition.
What is the meaning of it?
What the heck is Habeas Corpus?
Anyway, right?
I guess Kristi Noem was asked this.
She's the Secretary of Homeland Security.
She would certainly know
what that is,
right?
Why wouldn't
she?
Yeah, well, Senator Herston asked her.
what it meant.
So let's listen to the cut 139, cut 139.
Here we go.
So Secretary Nome, what is habeas corpus?
Here we go.
Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country
and suspend their right to suspend
their right to.
Let me stop,
ma'am.
Habeas corpus, excuse me, that's incorrect.
Habeas corpus, excuse me.
Habeas Corpus is the legal principle that requires that the government provide a public reason for detaining and imprisoning people.
If not for that protection, the government could simply arrest people, including American citizens, and hold them indefinitely for no reason.
Habeas Corpus is the foundational right that separates free societies like America from police states like North Korea.
As a senator from the Live Free or Die State,
This matters a lot to me and my constituents and to all Americans.
So Secretary Noem, do you support the core protection that habeas corpus provides that the government must provide a public reason in order to detain and imprison someone?
Good question.
Yet I support Habeas Corpus.
I also recognize that the President of the United States
has
the authority under the Constitution to decide if it should be suspended or not.
It has never been done without approval of Congress.
Even Abraham Lincoln got retroactive approval from Congress.
Well, so, you know, these lackies that Trump has put in place, they really, really truly adore Trump, don't they?
That is an amazing thing.
And by the way, another questioner also mentioned, well, where is Abias Corpus in the Constitution?
And she didn't know.
And of course, the answer is Article One.
Seems
like
it
happens to be one of those things
that
James Madison said maybe maybe the legislature should make that decision It's the big one right at the start.
You don't
have to get to the amendments even before you get to habeas corpus
Right
not a lot of reading for our secretary, but apparently she didn't want to do that
before
the hearing or or before taking on the this important role and And there we have it, right?
Yeah
It's again, you know, you don't necessarily need to all know all the Latin, but let's
do a
little Latin just in case she's listening,
right?
So
habeas corpus corpus, of course, sounds like it's body, right?
That's the Latin for body and habeas basically, you should have this.
So you should have the body.
It basically guarantees not a presidential right, not an executive right.
It guarantees everybody a right to a hearing to determine the legality.
if there's a basis for detaining you.
And it ensures that nobody in the United States of America, at least the one that existed before Kristi Nome was here, can be imprisoned indefinitely without a trial or some other legal justification.
Basically, where's the body?
Tell us about it and the right to defend against your detention.
That's what it means.
And it's not that difficult.
It frankly animates every single thing we've been talking about ever since March when the
The president started to deport all these people.
All of that has to do with the right to come in and tell a judge somewhere who I am, what I've done, defend against this deportation request, explain what's going on, and see what the judge does with it.
That's due process.
And she doesn't get that.
You know, I think it's kind of surprising too that she wasn't a little angry at Trump because obviously she took the interpretation of habeas corpus
from Trump's own interpretation of habeas corpus and kind of misled her.
And then she of course made this mistake, which is recorded and we just played it.
So, you know, misdirection plays all over the place.
These people are suckers.
All right, let's get to the big story, of course, is that a judge is angry that the Trump administration violated the deportation of...
of immigrants to Sudan this time and not a safe place to go.
Fill us in.
South Sudan, we know a place of horrific civil war.
There was an attempt to try to bring that to an end.
That fell apart one of the most dangerous places on the face of the planet.
Our own State Department, Marco Rubio's State Department has warned Americans and others from visiting there.
But we've got Brian Murphy.
We've actually talked about him before.
He's a federal district court judge.
He's in Boston.
And he has previously said that way back in April, you got to provide notice again, Christie, habeas corpus, notice due process, all those good things.
He's got to provide notice at least 15 days.
Immigrants are being deported to a country, not their own.
So they have a chance to petition on that and push back on that.
That's what the judge said, sounds reasonable, doesn't sound erratic in any way.
And so what happens, obviously,
just a day or so ago is the judge's air quite literally on fire cannot properly do this justice unless you listen to the back and forth on this.
Basically he said that the administration has violated his order.
By deporting these people, we've got about eight individuals in particular, don't know exactly where they're going.
They're from Cuba, Laos, Mexico.
Mexico, South Sudan, one of them, Burma, and Vietnam.
And the uncertainty is where they are.
There was a sense that we're going to Ireland first, then Djibouti.
We don't know where they are.
And the point is, we don't know about this, what's going on.
And the judge goes on to say their preference actions in this case, we're getting them on these planes and sending them out there, not providing them with notice, not providing them with due process.
He says, unquestionably violative of this court's order.
That's called contempt.
It's also called, as we have talked about so many times on this wonderful broadcast, that's a violation of the rule of law.
That's when the country begins to break down.
Well,
you
know, it's
our department of justice attorneys, by the way, these are not right, right?
Right.
It's your department.
This is going into court.
These are my former colleagues again, many years ago, the notion of going into a court and telling a judge, you can appeal in order, which they obviously do.
looking at a judge and saying, we're not doing that.
And yes, it's very nice.
I'll take notes, but it's not at all connected with what my client Department of Homeland Security is doing.
I'm either not going to tell them what you're directing.
I'm simply going to disregard what you're doing.
And we don't care.
That is the end.
of the constitution, right?
That's no more checks and balances.
We're at the end.
And the question then is what you do with that.
You've seen this before.
We talked about Paula Zinnis.
That's the Abrego Garcia case in Bosberg in Washington, D.C.
Judge named Stephanie Gallagher.
She's also ordered directions with respect to a 20-year-old Venezuelan.
All these folks telling your government, provide these folks with due process before you deport them.
And if you don't, you're in violation of my order.
And the response from the United States Department of Justice is, very interesting, no.
And they are, again, contempt sounds as bad as it does, in fact, convey.
But the greater issue here is, what do we do about this with administrations now going to court and saying we don't care what judges are telling us?
That's the end.
That's the end.
Is there anybody challenging this to the Supreme Court?
Because this seems like something that needs to be taken care of immediately.
They need to at least come down on the side of at least telling the administration they can't keep breaking these deportation orders from judges.
Right.
And so, interestingly, it's even more dramatic because to the extent that the Supreme Court has weighed in on some of these and has done a little bit, as late as a couple of weeks ago, it did say that under this Alien Enemies Act, which is not properly invoked, they've expressed some lower concerns about it, basically said once again, you do have to provide them with due process, give them notice in their own language
It's not just a receipt.
They've got to understand it.
You've got to get them from a judge.
They have said that.
And as late as just last Friday, indicated that the current policy of giving them 24 hours to challenge says surely does not pass muster.
That's the Supreme Court.
Those are the justices above the appeals court judges, and they're simply not doing it.
We don't care what the Supreme Court says either.
That's the other complicating factor here.
talking to attorney Jim Santel from amicus or law review which you can hear every saturday on the civic media radio network between nine and eleven uh jim maybe when we come back from the sprake we can talk about uh monday well we can start uh the conversation here monday the supreme court uh uh
permitted the administration to deport 350,000 Venezuelan immigrants protected under the Biden administration.
Your thoughts on this?
I mean, where is this going?
Right.
So again, it's not necessarily a bipolar Supreme Court because again, on Friday, they said, gee, you do need to provide some protections here on Monday.
They say the 350,000 Venezuelans, those you can deport.
under a program called the temporary protective status can tell you more about that and what Joe Biden did to invoke that to keep them here.
All right, we will do that when we return with Jim Santel on John and Gordy in the morning.
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Jim Santel is with us.
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And that's what we're doing this morning.
We want to talk about temporary...
protective status and this is one of the things that I it's hard for me to wrap my head around only because if we give so many people
temporary protective status.
To just take it away seems completely unfair and it should be illegal because we've set these people in motion to stay here.
They've gone through the process.
Everything is in place and all of a sudden we just kind of pull the rug out from under these individuals.
It just seems incredibly unfair.
There should be a law to protect that from just willy-nilly being taken away.
Don't you think, Jim?
Absolutely.
And once again, this is a Kristi Noem special.
We're back to her again.
A member of our administration who doesn't know the basics of constitutional law, but you're absolutely right.
This again is enacted by Congress as this program.
This is not the alien enemy's act.
This is a different sort of structure here and basically allows migrants from nations that have experienced what national disasters, armed conflicts, extraordinary instabilities in their own lives to work and legally stay in the United States.
So what happens during the Biden administration?
The Biden administration says, okay,
I've identified about 350,000 people fall in that category.
And I'm going to keep them here because of the things that they would otherwise suffer back at home.
Kristi Noem.
Kristi Noem back in February says, well, no, we're going to terminate that 18 month extension of the temporary protective status.
Bring all that to an end for what it's worth.
The history on this, we've got another federal judge.
His name is Edward Chen.
He happens to be in San Francisco and he says what
Kristi Noem is doing, is unauthorized by law, it's arbitrary and capricious.
One of those phrases that lawyers love to use and bandy about, basically it means it's senseless, it's got no basis and it's wrong.
And he says, it's motivated, here we go, by unconstitutional animus.
That's again, a nice way of saying, frankly, racism.
And we don't like you, we don't like you and what you are.
And so we're going to get rid of you.
He stops Christie Noem from doing this.
U.S.
Court of Appeals Ninth Circuit, they review it, they say, yes, let's keep everything in place.
And then on Monday, and Monday, even as all that litigation is still going on in the western part of our nation, Supreme Court says that the administration for now, for now, can go ahead and removes those protections for these 350,000 people.
And again, in the wake of that, the potential now for Christie Noem and the administration
to begin to deport even while the underlying litigation about whether the law has been properly followed is still being reviewed.
So this is again, it's the Supreme Court invoking also, I know the two of you love this as well.
This is their emergency docket.
This is their shadow docket.
They do this, they simply issue an order, no reasons, no justifications.
And basically saying Donald, as to this, go ahead.
Even again, while the underlying merits have not yet been resolved, it's stunning.
It's stunning.
It really is.
And there is some dissent, even in those dockets, right?
Some of the justices can dissent.
Absolutely.
You routinely we've gotten that a lot from basically the three on this one in particular Katanji Brown Jackson noticed that she would not have Granted any review at all and presumably again, wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall when they sit around they talk about this in their private conference room?
Those discussions alone would be fascinating and horrifying to listen to but plainly the minority on the court is losing all of these because you vote and if you got six to three you've got five to four and
yeah the vote then it's it's democracy i suppose inside the supreme court building and this case it is a vote that affects more than 350,000 people in this country here under this particular statute
are you familiar with the federal appeals court panel that is thinking about blocking.
a mass voter challenges because, you know, they challenge 364,000 voters, minority voters, mostly in Georgia.
So they couldn't vote.
So those votes didn't count.
And a federal appeals court is looking at that and possibly blocking it.
Are you familiar with that one?
Yes, we've got this.
Another appeals court.
This is the 11th Circuit.
There are others out there who do the same thing.
And again, what are they doing?
They're looking at all of these.
proposals and mandates and edicts by this administration and by states as well to stop what we've understood since 1964, the Voting Rights Act, to stop the basic trappings to prevent people to vote.
And again, we shouldn't have to be debating these things anymore, but we are.
And that's where we are in America today.
It's crazy.
Jim, we got to leave it there.
You can listen to Jim Santel with Amicus, a Law Review Saturdays on the Civic Media Radio Network from 9 to 11.
Jim, always great to have you with us.
We'll talk to you next time
as well.
More Latin.
More Latin.
We'll
do more for our secretary.
We need more Latin in the show.
Thanks.
Always a joy.
Appreciate it.
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