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These are the times that try men's souls.
In the course of our nation's history, the people have rallied bravely whenever the rights of men have been threatened.
Today, a new crisis has arisen.
Citizens, hear me out.
This could happen to you.
Okay, I want a damn concerted effort.
This is a god-last damn time.
I want somebody to use his fucking brain.
You're from the 60s.
Just a show about nothing.
I don't have any answers for you.
I don't give interviews.
I just want to be left alone.
Hell, I like you.
You can come over to my house and f*** my sister.
What is this f***ing ponderous, man?
Ponderous, f***ing ponderous.
Well, I've heard that before.
We've got about 51 degrees, I believe, high around 71 today.
John and Gordy in the morning.
Gordy's out today and producer Sam filling in, and we are having discussions here about what's going on with the economy.
And now we're going to talk about RFK Junior.
But before we even get to RFK Junior, we were talking off the air here about Pete Hakeseth.
and is meltdown at the Easter egg roll.
What did he even say?
You didn't tell me.
Oh, but we're gonna play it right now.
All right, this is cut 228.
And it was such a hot mess that, you know, I'm sitting.
I try to ignore the stuff he's normally talking about, but I just happen to be listening to it.
And it was so ridiculous.
It was so over the top and so unbelievable.
And by the way, it was described this way in one of the media sources.
Pete Hegg says, children cringe as father melts down in front of media.
And it was funny watching the kids' faces.
I mean, they've heard dad talk like this before, you know.
And the fact that he was an anchor on the weekends where you just have to keep talking and talking and talking just to make, you know...
Like we do, just to fill time.
Hoaxers, this group, no, no, no, this group right here, full of hoaxers.
You know, what a big surprise that a bunch of.
A few leakers get fired and suddenly a bunch of hit pieces come out from the same media that peddled the Russia hoax and won't give back their
Pulitzers.
They got Pulitzers for a bunch of lies.
No,
it's true.
Pulitzers for a bunch of lies and unhoaxes time and time and time again.
And as they peddle those lies, no one ever calls them on.
See, this is what the media does.
They take anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees and then they try to slash and burn people.
and ruin their reputation.
I'm not going to work with me, because we're changing the Defense Department, putting the Pentagon back in the hands of warfighters, and anonymous smears from disgruntled former employees on old news doesn't matter.
So I'm happy to be here at the Easter Egg Roll.
Oh, you
are.
My dad, and my kids, because, you know, this is what we're doing it for, these kids right here.
This is why we're fighting the fake news media.
This is why we're fighting slash and burn Democrats.
This is why we're fighting hoasters.
Hoaxers.
This group, no, no, this group right here.
Full of hoaxers that peddle anonymous sources from leakers with access to grind.
And then you put it all together as if it's some news story.
And when we know it, we know exactly what it is.
So I'm really proud of what we're doing for the president, fighting hard across the board.
And I'm going to go roll some Easter eggs with my kids.
Thank you very
Have spoken to the president and we are going to continue fighting on the same page all the way.
So I didn't watch this on TV.
How old are his kids?
If you had to guess.
I
Oh, OK.
So they know what's going on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was embarrassing.
I feel sorry for him at this point.
I do.
It says here, somebody texted in, I've seen that look that the Hankseth kids had.
That's the look of kids who have an alcoholic abusive parent who's about to go off.
Wow.
Yes.
Yes, that's a great observation.
And they were paralyzed by fear of what comes next.
Good thing they were in a public place,
I
Put it in perspective.
You want to go
phone?
Oh
Yeah, I see that.
I saw an article this morning that I haven't read the whole thing up, but apparently they want to treat our deportations like Amazon that I guess we're opening.
There's a whole bunch of private prisons opening up, you know, that central holding facilities for deportees and, you know, to quickly round them up and hold them like
in some kind of warehouse so we can ship them out without any trial.
According to Trump, we don't need no trials.
It's just so ironic for a man who has availed himself that in spite of his claim, oh, it's being weaponized against me, has had the full use of the court system to defend himself and repeated appeals to his convictions.
and reversals in court, and he doesn't appreciate the fact that the Constitution, which he took an oath to uphold, in spite of the fact he didn't touch the Bible, the oath is still binding to him to adhere to the Constitution, which guarantees people the right to their day in court.
I mean, if it's citizen or not, I mean that the most wretched criminal, the most horrific criminal is entitled to their day in court.
These people have done nothing more than did what Donald Trump's grandfather did, escaping Germany, making his money in the United States as a hormonger, and going back to Germany that didn't want to serve in the military.
They're coming back to the United States, and it is just sad that the man just
and the Republican party in Mass is not condemning him actually saying
Wasn't there an old movie, No Time for Sargeants?
him.
When doesn't he have some crazy stuff going?
Oh, I
I didn't actually look at what store you have on here.
So right now, the headline that you've got just like made my eyes go wide, and I'm like, wait, what?
So tell us what it is.
That's right.
They don't have time for this.
They don't have the expertise to do it anymore because they've done a lot of paring down of employees at the FDA.
So let's listen to a comment here.
This is a web wisdom talking about the story that RFK Jr.
is putting in place.
They're going to suspend the testing of milk.
Let's listen.
FDA is suspending its milk quality testing right now.
There was an email that was sent out yesterday from the FDA's division on dairy safety saying that due to budget cuts and staff cuts, they are no longer able to provide routine testing for grade A milk and other dairy products.
It is unclear if and when this milk quality testing by the FDA will be resumed.
And this is not the first time they've done significant cuts to the safety of our food supply.
On April 18th, they cut the food
emergency response network, which was involved in quality testing for various food products.
Now you may be wondering with this news what to do to help keep you and your family safe.
And here's a couple of ideas to consider.
One is that if you drink cow's milk instead of getting pasteurized milk, look for ultra pasteurized milk where the milk is cooked at higher temperatures, which is more likely to kill off more microbes and have a longer shelf life.
And
lastly, you should speak up if this is something that concerns you.
Talk with your local representatives about how food safety is really important and that these cuts can be potentially harmful.
So it's
important to reach out to them to make sure that not only you're safe, but your community is as safe as possible.
Good summation.
And it's crazy to even think that this is going on currently.
It's due to reduced capacity in its food safety and nutrition division.
of the FDA and the suspension is another disruption to the nation's food safety program.
It says here after the termination and departure of about 20,000 employees.
This is crazy stuff and it's going to affect everybody in this country and it's not good news here in Wisconsin.
I don't know what they're going to do but I'm sure that they'll probably keep on with their current
food safety practices.
Yeah, next time we talk to Pam Yackey, we got to pick a brain about it.
Yes, we'll definitely do that.
Then of course, RFK Junior is setting in motion a disease registry tracking autistic people.
This is pretty insane stuff.
And again, you know, we're used to it now with Doge going into every department, going through the personal information of the employees and the information of the general public.
He's got all our information now.
So this shouldn't come as a surprise RFK juniors getting in on the action.
The National Institutes of Health is helping to collect private medical records from government and commercial databases to give the Secretary of Health and Human Services all this information.
The records include, get this, prescription records from pharmacies, lab testing,
and genomic records the Department of Veterans Affairs and Indian Health Services have, private insurance claims, and data from smartwatches and fitness trackers.
Oops, I guess I'm going to be in on that again.
What
in the world do they want all this data for?
The National Institute of Health is looking after me.
They're gonna use all this information.
They're also working on an agreement to secure Medicare and Medicaid data as well.
They wanna get into those records.
So they're doing this in order to track autistic individuals and the number of autism that's going, what am I trying to say here?
I guess.
Here's the thing with autism.
They have added more individuals to the spectrum.
And that's why the numbers have grown.
RFK Junior doesn't seem to understand that aspect of it.
We are able to identify autism a little bit more and better these days, and it's making it look like more people aren't autistic.
That isn't necessarily true.
We're just seeing it more, and we have different levels on that spectrum.
So anyway,
They're data mining every one of us in the US.
All right We'll be back in just a few moments.
We've got Wonderful wonderful story here.
I can't even break
Break the news.
I can't I can't tell you what it is Oh, yes, let's get to that
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It is time once again to check in with WMDX's weather person.
It is Brittany Merleau in the wings.
You got to tell us what's going on in the weather because I have not emphasized it here on the morning program today.
So.
Phyllis in, I mean, it's a gorgeous looking morning so far.
You're gonna stay
that way?
that way?
No, unfortunately.
On the bearer of bad news always.
I'll take that.
So we've got this low pressure system right now.
It's pushing into the southwestern part of the state.
It's headed your way.
And of course, it's bringing some light rain with it.
So we're probably going to see some drizzle start to move in within the next 30, 45 minutes or so.
That'll be on and off through about 10 a.m.
Then it looks to end.
We get a little bit of spots of sunshine.
We warm things up today.
Highs in the mid 60s.
So feeling pretty good.
And then, of course, the front is sitting right over us.
The warm front will be moving through the state, and it's going to spark up chances for more scattered showers and maybe some thunder this afternoon.
I
I think mainly between four to six or so would be that time frame.
And then we could have another round push in late tonight, maybe after 10 or so.
Some light rain continues overnight.
It stays pretty mild, too.
You can leave your windows open.
Low is falling to 50.
Have you done that yet?
I'm enjoying it.
But you know, with this, of course, we get patchy fog early tomorrow morning.
We'll be partly sunny by the afternoon and not a bad day again.
We hang on to the mid sixties tomorrow before that system moves in even harder.
We're going to see rain ramping up tomorrow overnight and then it should be gone by late Friday morning.
And then we dry things out and we've got a gorgeous weekend ahead.
A little bit cooler on Friday highs will be in the upper fifties.
But by Saturday, we're back to the low sixties and by Sunday.
right about 70 degrees again.
You know, my wife got a notification from Google, I guess, you know, the pictures that we took last year, you know, and she showed me this thing.
Last year, we had like three feet of snow.
Yeah.
Three feet of snow.
Same time last year.
That was like four days ago.
So I don't know if it had all melted off, but.
by this time, but yeah, it's crazy stuff.
So I'm so happy that we have weather like this.
You know that I want to put away my winter clothes.
And man, I think it's time, right?
It is time.
I do.
All right.
Yeah, do it.
Thank you for
Of course, of course.
I put my winter coat away a couple of weeks ago and I was just...
bearing through it on the colder nights.
I don't care.
I'm really angry.
You look buff now, right?
Yeah.
Well, no.
what's
it.
All right.
Have a good day.
Okay, you too.
This is John and Gordy in the morning.
Gordy is out today, but he'll probably be back tomorrow as well.
I want to get to a really important story here, and this is an admission that the Republicans are going to take cuts to Medicaid.
Representative Austin Scott brazenly admitted that Republicans want to scale back Medicaid, according to the story.
Now, I want you to remember, Republicans in this state warned everyone, and that's why they didn't pick up on expansion, that the federal state split 90% from the federal government, 10% for the state, wasn't written in stone, and those damn Democrats, they're deceiving you.
It's not going to be 90-10 forever.
Those Democrats, they're going to change it.
Well, the Democrats didn't change it.
The Republicans are.
So let's listen to cut 226.
And this is an admission.
What they're going to do with Medicaid expansion.
And boy, is this going to hit the southern states that took them up on this.
When the Dems expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act,
they made that percentage match 90-10.
So the federal government is paying 90% of the Medicaid expansion.
And so what we have talked about is moving that 90%
level of the expansion back towards the more traditional levels of 52 to approximately 80% instead of the 90, 10, 90% being federal, 10% being state match.
And nobody would be kicked off of Medicaid as long as the governors decided that they wanted to continue to fund the program.
And so we are going to ask the states to pick up and pay some additional percentage of the Medicaid percentage.
There you go.
They tell you what they really want to do but they blame the Democrats for planning on doing it and it's not true, it never is, but they want to do it and they're just chomping at the bit to do this instead of letting the Democrats do it and they are going to start cutting Medicaid and bring it down to 80
percent from the federal government, 20% for the states, and the states are going to have to volunteer to do that, and they're not going to do it.
I guess I understand some of the states have actually added it to their state constitution.
Really?
So now they're going to have to pay.
Well, I guess we finally have something to spend our states.
What is it?
Four billion dollars?
Four billion dollars.
Budget surplus on?
Well, we didn't
Well, you know, we didn't take them up on it.
All right, because, well, it's, you know,
We're like a Louisiana.
That's basically it.
So I don't know.
You know, this Medicaid thing, if we would just please go to a universal health care system, we wouldn't have to dink around with certain levels of Medicaid.
We wouldn't have to do Medicare and certain different.
parts of Medicare.
We don't have to pay for that out of our social security checks when we finally get those.
If we still get those, we just need to go to a universal health care system in this country.
My God, I think the public is ready for it.
I think there's like 70% of the public do want a universal health care system.
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We'll be back with Mike McCabe from Substack in just a few moments.
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Right now it's time once again as we always do on Wednesday morning.
And that is to talk to Mike McCabe from Substack, a blogger there, and plus the author of Miracles Along County Q. Your latest Substack article is something I think is really, really interesting.
And we've been talking about what the Democrats are doing or not doing.
And you touch on that in this article as well.
But could you just kind of introduce us to what you're saying in the article, which is entitled, At a Loss.
What's it all about, Mike?
Well, the article starts out by saying that there comes a time when words fail us.
And we're in one of those times where even though vocabulary that we use to talk about politics is...
It doesn't work anymore.
We use labels and we slap labels on each other like conservative or liberal.
mega.
Yeah, and you take the word conservative.
By definition, you look it up in the dictionary, it means caution and stability.
And today's conservatives, the people who like to call themselves conservative,
are intentionally creating chaos.
That's what they do.
And of course, conservatives always preached limited government.
And the crowd that now says they're conservative wants a very intrusive and even oppressive government.
conservatives wanted to keep things more or less the...
way they are they certainly any change needed to be very gradual
yeah but but they want they were really the champions of the status quo
because the that's
the status quo benefited them they they like things the way they were because the way things were were good for them
i think but now they want to blow stuff up and tear things down and they're they're the they're the ones who are who want radical change
I always thought that they liked the status quo because if there was change, and it was usually by the Democrats, it was changed that the public wanted.
And it would be an advantage for the Democrats to pass something that the public wanted.
So they wanted to keep things the same to prevent the Democrats from having us move on to the future.
But if you're a rich white guy, you like it when rich white...
guys do really well and have everything to their advantage and have everything sort of rigged in their favor.
And so conservatives, if they had those kinds of conditions, they wanted to hold on to them.
They didn't want to let other people get ahead because they saw it as getting ahead at their expense.
So they were for the status quo, but now you've got this gang that says they're conservative,
They're not for stability.
They're not for caution.
They're for chaos.
They're not for limited government.
They're for an extremely intrusive government and an oppressive government.
And they're doing ice raids.
And they want government in the bedroom.
They want government in the locker rooms.
They want government out on the playing fields.
There's not a place where they don't want government control.
And so it's really...
become topsy-turvy in this vocabulary now fails us.
And the weird thing is that progressives have traditionally been the ones that have sought reform.
They've sought change.
They've pushed the envelope.
They've wanted to innovate and invent and forge new paths.
And now progressives have been put in the position of playing defense all the time, just trying to preserve existing institutions, protect long-standing programs and policies that they fought for
generations ago that were put in place 50, 60, 80
A long time ago.
These were major advances.
These were economic and social advances that pushed society forward.
But now today's progressives are in the position of simply trying to hold on to those gains rather than think about what's next and how to again push society forward.
So it's weird in a way.
Today's progressives are true conservatives.
They're saying, wait a second, not so fast.
Slow down.
Let's keep things more or less the way they are.
That's a weird condition that we've gotten ourselves into.
The progressives are conservative.
The conservatives are these.
radical insurrectionists.
Yeah.
And I think it's because they want to keep, they just want to keep people thinking that progressives aren't simply trying to preserve those old institutions and programs.
And they want to keep progressives on defense.
That's the thing.
When you look at the political arrangement today, it's those so-called conservatives who are playing offense and the so-called progressives who are playing defense.
And that's something I think we have to be conscious of, and we have to think about, and we have to take to heart.
Because progressivism only works if...
progressives are imagining what the future can look like and pushing for that future.
And when that stops and when you're forever playing defense, that's a problematic place to be.
instead
and
I think the big idea I had this time around was that if we just started early and today is early we could do this if we just had an agenda that
I think universal health care coverage, which is off the scales as far as public approval, if we just really emphasize that, we'd be battling two battles at once.
It would be first, introducing something that everybody wants.
And second, it would battle against what they want to do now currently.
making cuts to Medicaid, and then they're going to go after Obamacare, even though they did defend Obamacare at the Supreme Court level and won, essentially, preserving the ability for people to get examinations.
What is it?
Pre-existing conditions.
Pre-existing conditions, but also preventive care.
free preventive care before disease gets out of control.
I know we've talked
about this before, but when it comes to labels, I've been one to say, let's stop thinking left to right.
Let's stop thinking
who's
way on the left and who's way on the right and who's in the middle, but rather start thinking from top to bottom.
Yeah, think vertically.
And instead of thinking about...
conservatives and progressives.
Think about royals and commoners.
Think about American politics that way.
Who's got the power?
Who's got the amplified voice?
Who's playing offense in our society?
It's the billionaire class.
It's the ultra-wealthy.
And so it really is, royals and commoners.
And that's a different way to describe American politics.
But I think it's a...
more accurate way of describing the current moment where you've got this ruling class, this billionaire class that is sort of lording over ordinary folks.
And they're doing such a, you know, they're just doing such a strategic surgical job of dividing and conquering working class people, getting people to see each other as enemies when they're all commoners, they're all being lured it over.
But those doing the lording have got those folks at each other's throats, seeing each other as enemies.
They've done that with surgical precision.
And we have to see it for what it is.
And then unless you recognize it, acknowledge it, and name it, it's really hard to fight it.
And that's what we've got to do is...
build alliances between people who are being lorded over by that billionaire class.
Exactly, and we're still using vocabulary that sort of plays into that kind of fight, rather than...
redefining the fight in ways that could actually let us make some progress.
Well, I think that's somewhere along the way if we get
at least on the offense.
We can make some advances and some moves in the right direction.
But again, you brought up earlier that it seems like we've been backed into this corner, and I'm talking about pro-democracy individuals.
We've been backed into a corner by trying to protect the current system of government the way we have it because we're losing it all.
It's being shredded away from us and we're trying to keep it and protect it and that is not very Progressive at the same time, you know, we want to progress and but we don't have time for that agenda
We
Yeah, and don't get me wrong.
Social security and Medicare and Medicaid and all these things are worth preserving.
And millions and millions of Americans depend on these things.
They have extraordinarily great value.
But while we're trying to preserve those things, we also have to say it's not enough for seniors to have
economic security.
We need to have economic security for people of all ages, Americans at every phase of
And Medicare and Medicaid.
Yes.
Those are those are important.
Those are valuable programs that many millions of Americans depend on.
But it's not enough for for there to be health security for
the aged or for disabled people.
Exactly.
We need to have universal health security in this country.
And that's a drum that needs to be, we need to keep beating, even as we're scrambling to keep social security and Medicare and Medicaid and so many other important things from being torn apart.
fraud and abuse.
Yeah.
How do you have fraud and abuse when you just have an open healthcare system?
You know, you get treated when you need to get treated instead of somebody trying to take you on it.
You know, it's, it's, it's, it's so simple.
It simplifies the whole system.
And I think the society itself would be freed up.
We wouldn't be worried about it constantly.
I think everybody, anybody
is constantly worried about their healthcare and how they're gonna pay for something.
If something did happen and it's usually an accident or something unexpected and we don't have the money to pay for it.
It's not only medical anxiety.
It's not only people worried about their health, whether they can get medical attention when they need it.
There is that anxiety, but there's also economic anxiety.
that comes with neglecting to ensure health security for all Americans, because everybody realizes I'm a pink slip away from not being able to go to the doctor.
If I lose my job, my whole family's in trouble, deep trouble, because we can't afford medical attention then.
And so that makes people cling to a job that maybe they would move on from.
to start a new business, to start in some kind of enterprise, it really inhibits our economy when people are so afraid for their health security.
And it makes people reluctant to take risks, economic risks that would be beneficial to all of society.
If somebody took that great idea that they've had for decades and decided to act on it and start a new business or some kind of new enterprise,
And instead, they say, no, I can't afford to give up this job that I hate, that I really would like to move on from.
But I can't give it up because that's where we get our health insurance.
Well, you know, that's one thing that just occurred to me that the Republicans are doing with cuts to Medicaid.
They want to require work.
So, in a way, if you're unemployed or...
underemployed and you don't have health care.
It forces you to work for somebody or a job that you don't want to be at just to get your health care.
It's like being a prisoner of a corporation where you get your health care.
You got to stay there or you'll lose your health care.
And
a whole bunch of Americans are feeling imprisoned that way.
And we need to be talking about how to get America to a better place.
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All right, we got a few texts here the conservative label may not fit but regressive fits and And a few other comments about universal health care and a fair tax code We could start with that too, but I think we've been yelling about that for years And now that we have oligarchs in charge we want to text
the wealthy and the rich.
And that's what it's kind of all about.
Your latest article is, uh, at a loss.
And in it, you wrote something, uh, throwing and paying customers overboard.
Yeah.
Explain this
one.
Toward the end of the article, I, I actually, um, bring up, uh, Bill Proxmire, the former US Senator from Wisconsin and Elon Musk and, and,
you know, because Proxmire was best known for his Golden Fleece Awards that would lampoon government waste.
And so I was asked at a talk when I brought up Proxmire's legacy, if what I thought about the similarities between Proxmire and Elon Musk.
And my answer was the two couldn't be more different, the two are night and day.
Because what Proxmire did was
was aimed at trying to make government better.
He wanted to make sure that government was a responsible steward of public funds so that taxpayers would get their monies worth.
And what Musk is really doing is trying, along with Trump, is trying to wreck government to render it incapable of investigating it or overseeing his companies, for example.
But also to...
Set the stage for the continuation of tax cuts for the wealthy that would cost some four trillion dollars if those cuts are extended and and So, you know, what is being done today is really being done to further enrich the billionaire class and and and the the
the actions they're taking are the actions of the classic bully.
They are inflicting the greatest pain on those least able to fight back.
They're going after the most vulnerable segments of our population, which is despicable.
But they're not gouging programs that are widely popular with the upper middle class or the wealthy.
They're going after the things that people who are the most vulnerable need.
And every bully ever has done exactly that.
They identify the weakest on the playground and they inflict the greatest pain on those who aren't able to fight back.
And that's what's happening here.
So to me, what Proxmire did was aimed at trying to make sure that government delivered value to taxpayers and what we got now.
is an exercise that's really aimed at crippling government and so that they can sort of use its mangled remains for their own enrichment and the demonstration of their own power.
wealthy.
But that's exactly what they won't do is increase taxes on the wealthy.
And I think even as we try to preserve those valuable programs and policies, the message still has to be that what they are trying to do is finance $4 trillion worth of tax cuts for the rich.
And
what we
should be doing is asking everybody to pay their fair share.
We should be asking billionaires to pay taxes.
And one of the things I say in the article is that we've got a whole bunch of billionaires who don't pay taxes.
and we are deporting people who do pay taxes.
So, you know, I said, it's not like we're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
We're throwing paying passengers overboard to make more room for a bigger, a bigger first class for those freeloaders who are lounging there.
That's what we're really doing
And that's got to, you know, we've got to keep our eyes on on that central mission of theirs.
What Doge is all about is creating cover for
four trillion dollars worth of tax cuts for the rich.
And yeah, I think one of the interesting things about what they're doing with deportations is they're taking people who are here legally have
been given work visas that are student visas.
These are people that are going to help society in the long run, and they're tossing them out of the country, which is egregious.
And you've talked about this before, but we've got migrant workers, farm workers, we've got people who are cleaning hotel rooms, doing all these things.
They're working every day.
They're paying taxes in this country, but they're not going to be eligible for Social Security.
They're not eligible
for
Medicare.
They're paying for these things, but they're never going to get any of these benefits.
Mike McCabe from Substack.
Thanks for joining us again.
Great discussion.
We have so many more things to talk about, but we don't have time.
John and Gordy in the morning, John Peterson in for Gordy, who is out ill.
I'm glad to have filled in for him this morning.
And producer Sam, thank you.
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