for John and Gordy in the morning.
I'm John Peterson.
That's Gordy Young over there.
You're right here.
And we have producer
Sam.
This is radio.
People can't see where you're at.
Well,
they should be watching on their phones as they're driving into work, Bluetoothing into their car radios.
We pushed that for a long period of time.
You know, it's either Facebook or X or... Or YouTube, yes.
Right.
You can see what's happening
behind
the scenes.
Not
much.
It's really important.
We're just...
That's fine.
We gotta bring back the puppet show idea.
We gotta do a puppet show on the radio to give people a reason to watch.
Well, they were locked in a cabinet next to my desk over there, so.
We
never really did do the puppet show.
We had big plans for that.
Well,
yeah, except we could never really come up with an idea of why we
were doing it in the first place.
I know if there were a lot of people watching, it'd be a different story.
Well, maybe it would get people watching.
Or you think so?
Wow, that's kind of cool.
All right,
you get the kids you get the rest of the family, you
know, no, that's true Yeah, get those kids up at six in the morning to watch the puppet show on You know parents tube pairs kind of you know hold off waking the kids up as
much as
they can yeah eat breakfast make the coffee
That's it.
Can you guys can you guys hear there's a fire alarm going off outside like it's in a building somewhere right near bias on State Street No, I don't know in case anybody can hear it through their radio.
No, there's not a fire by you.
It's by us apparently.
Okay.
All right.
No I Wouldn't be the first time.
No, remember the short stack explosion.
Oh, I see Yeah, we're gonna have another experience like there's a flashing
light
at the upper section of that building.
Oh, yeah.
Second floor.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That might be.
Now, is that a reflection or is that actually inside the building?
I can't really tell.
Yeah.
Maybe they're just having a rave.
An early six o'clock in the morning rave.
Yeah.
That's it.
There you go.
It's a beautiful morning, actually.
No, it's cloudy and overcast.
No, look, you can see the sunset.
or sunrise rather, I'm sorry.
But you know, the
eraser clouds
are up there in the sky.
That's right.
I said that the clouds were pink up in the sky and I brought back up John's nightmare about having erasers in the sky.
Yes.
Well, we should see some of the clouds clearing out later, maybe
a little bit of sunshine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know what it's going to be like today.
Is it going to be nice and warm?
Is it going to be beautiful?
Is it going to be fantastic?
Or is it going
to be windy and cold?
Well, checking the WMDX thermometer outside our WMDX window, it's 38 WMDX degrees.
43 according to the
official
WMDX-Emsson launch of the show.
That's discrepancy.
43 degrees.
That's way
off.
But it might be a different
location.
It's way off.
Well, don't mince words with me pal.
Okay.
What would the high be?
It would be 69 degrees.
Oh, I think that's off too.
Let's roll the weather roulette wheel.
Seventy nine percent chance of rain.
Yeah.
Really?
Seventy nine.
That's what
it says here.
See, I've got a different forecast over.
Are you sure that's up today?
65, black 65 is the number for the high today.
Okay, 69
here.
65 there.
Okay.
And maybe a shower to around eight or nine o'clock this morning.
Yeah, a little rain passing through, but not much.
And whoever
loses, get tasered, right?
That's right.
Yep.
According to Doug in, uh, in St.
Francis.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Phone lines are open for early morning listeners, 608-879-8255.
You can call us or text us there, or you just use the Civic Media app.
That's the easy way to go.
Download the app.
It's free.
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It is.
Free to
get.
Yep.
Can't lose.
Text us that way.
It's the easiest way to text us, and you get that message across.
Or just give us a call.
Yeah.
And we also have a new email.
We haven't really talked about it much.
We've gotten a few emails at Jag at WMDXradio.com.
Wait, I don't have it in front of me.
Is that right, Sam?
I'm looking at you like you know.
I said civicmedia.us, like every other email here.
That's what I said.
That's what I meant to
say.
Jag at civicmedia.us.
J-A-G.
Yes.
John and Gordy.
Jag.
All right.
Just like the TV show.
I'll just roll with that.
You just what?
I'll just roll with that.
What about the WMDX website?
What about it?
I mean, is
WMDXradio.com?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you can get the newsletter there.
You can sign up for the newsletter.
That's easy
to do.
These are all new things and I'm just getting acclimated to them.
I'm just familiarizing myself.
That's all I'm doing.
That's it.
You know, if anybody knows any of the information I'm looking for, great.
Well, we've only been doing this a year and a half.
So it's about time you got acclimated
to things.
They sprung this on us.
All
these
different websites, all these
different emails.
There are many ways to communicate with us.
So that's
good.
I've been doing it.
I've been going there.
I've been answering a few people's questions.
Because we have a kind of an automated thing which kind of irritates me.
I don't know how it irritates our listeners.
What do you mean?
You know, it immediately asks for you want to subscribe to our newsletter, you know?
And I'm thinking, it seems like we're asking them.
It appears like you or me are answering their questions by saying, well, we can answer that if you just sign up for our newsletter.
Now, I'm not discouraging that.
I'm just saying it's not that personal.
Well, we can answer questions, you know, you want to do the answer man bit, we can do that.
Okay, sure.
Anybody who's got a
question about
anything,
we can take it on.
Yeah, we could definitely.
Happy to give you free
advice, because that's exactly what it's worth.
Let's check the National Day calendar.
Spitball in here, that's all.
No emails, you had no text messages from Catherine.
Yeah.
What is it today?
Is it National School Bus Driver Appreciation Day?
Stop cheating, John.
I know you're looking at my screen.
Okay.
Is it National Jelly Bean Day?
Is it National Emergency Medical Services Day?
Do you think that's helping?
Is it National Earth Day?
Which of those days did not belong?
Not.
Did I
say National Girl Scout Leaders
Day?
No, you did not say that.
Is it that?
It is not that.
Well,
it is that.
So you're wrong.
Sam?
Sam?
Wake up.
Sam's really sleepy this morning.
He didn't sleep at
all last night.
Well, I didn't sleep at all Sunday night, and it doesn't hit you till a day later.
I guess I get the buzzer, don't I?
That's true.
Yep, you do.
All right.
No, it's not National Emergency Medical Services
Day.
It could
be some other day, but it's not today.
That's it.
But it is school bus driver appreciation day.
Did
you
ever take the school bus when you were a
little boy?
Yeah,
sure.
Yeah,
me too.
Yeah, all over the place.
Each year, school bus driver appreciation.
How about Sam?
Did you take a bus to school?
Until I got my license, yeah.
OK.
It falls on the fourth Tuesday of April, the school bus driver appreciation day.
You know, they don't get a lot of appreciation.
The kids usually like them, but you know.
Today, we are recognizing all school bus drivers for taking care of our precious cargo during the school year.
Whether they're transporting the kids to school, home activities, or to sporting events, school bus drivers deserve recognition for the job they do.
It's not an easy job.
You know, taking care of all those kids.
I wouldn't take so, yeah.
Yeah, the emergencies, the fights, whatever, right?
And the bad songs that they sing
on their way to school.
Or don't
they?
I'm not sure if they do that anymore
and they
did in our day.
All the kids are on their phones.
Oh, that's not paying any attention to anything.
Oops.
Is it National Jelly Bean Day?
Did I mention that?
It is actually National Jelly Bean Day.
You would think this would be before Easter, but
yeah,
yeah.
Who can resist a handful of sweet jelly beans on National Jelly Bean Day?
Well, I
for one
can resist.
It's terrible for your teeth.
They
can't, ugh.
Gummy.
Plus they're way too sweet.
On April 22nd each year, you really don't have to resist at all as a celebration.
Enjoy some jelly beans today.
In the 1930s, let's see, wait, let's back up.
Boston confectioner William Schraft made them popular during the Civil War.
He came up with the jelly beans.
Apparently.
Could have been a little more nutritious.
Just a little bit.
Okay, that's enough about the jelly beans.
Nobody cares.
National Girl Scout Leaders Day.
This is a big day for the Girl Scouts.
National Girl Scout Leaders Day.
They've been out selling those cookies.
I see them at all the grocery stores.
Still selling them, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah, you like the thin mints?
Or you like the
peanut
butter?
I've always hated the mints.
I don't like mint at all.
Okay.
National Girl Scout Leaders Day recognizes the thousands of leaders who volunteer their time and share their experiences with youth across the country.
Girl Scout volunteer leaders have been positively impacting girls' lives since the beginning of the Girl Scouting back in 1912.
Man, the Girl
Scouts have been around a long time.
I may not remember correctly here, but I always thought the plain sugar cookies were...
Oh
yeah.
were the most popular ones.
They're the original.
I don't know if they're the most popular.
Oh, okay.
All
right.
There
you go.
They were the original.
And I think they were
the most popular.
I haven't seen anything.
You know, what surprises me about Girl Scout cookies is that when Girl Scouts originally started selling cookies, they expected the participants to make the cookies themselves.
I don't know.
I don't think kids that age
Well, I mean, some of them are older, but they're probably not the best bakers.
I don't know if they would have been the best salespeople of cookies that they made on their own.
That is
about as bad an idea as naming the Boy Scouts the Scouting for Boys.
Yeah, not
good.
Hey, it's National Earth Day today.
You know, who started this, Senator Gaylord Nelson from Wisconsin.
Todd Albaugh
is going to
be at Gaylord Nelson Park, right?
Where's
we talked about this like 20 minutes ago, Gordon.
Yeah, he was
just at the park though.
So promo was
telling us that Yeah, he's gonna be broadcasting there alive today.
You know, we
should stop over there.
Well,
I Yeah, I've got a friend of that.
It's just on the north northwest side of Lake Mendota is yeah, I believe it is really close right
off and my belief.
Mm-hmm National Earth Day.
Whoops since its inception back in 1970
Organizers promote events educating the public about a variety of subjects, including climate change, air pollution, water pollution, erosions, recycling, composting, renewable fuels and power, carbon footprints, efficient cars, rainforest ecosystems, all the things that the Trump administration doesn't give a damn
about.
I know.
Okay, I'm surprised Bishop's Bay didn't adopt Governor Nelson Park and just take it over.
Build condos there.
18 minutes past the hour, 38 degrees.
We'll be back with a look at the history book with producer Sam in a
moment.
This is the blues, isn't
it?
Yes.
This is the blues brothers.
Yeah.
Right?
I still don't like the blues.
All right.
What?
What's wrong with you?
WMPX.
WMPX.
Well, it's the same, you know?
It's the same tune over and over again.
Yikes.
You know, I've got better things to do with my life than to relive blues.
Um, what was I talking?
Oh, yes.
92.7.
This is Johnny Gordy in the morning.
And we do have Catherine's up now.
She's found
her
phone, which
you
probably couldn't find earlier, and told us that the...
sugar cookie, which is actually a shortbread cookie, which are even better than sugar cookies.
Trefoils, I'm not sure how to say that.
It's
the official
Girl Scout cookie, delicate tasting shortbread cookies with unique clover-like design embossed on top.
They are the iconic symbol of the Girl Scout movement.
So there you go.
Good to know.
Yes.
All right.
So buy some trefoils today.
Yes.
I've never heard that word.
How's that?
Have you heard of that word?
I don't know.
Is it an alien plant from another?
Another planet?
Another planet.
Maybe.
Oh, that's Trifids.
The
day of the
Trifids.
No, Tribbles.
Where does
that
come from?
Troubles?
The day of the Trifids is a British horror movie about plants that dig over the earth.
Oh, OK.
That's different.
You really watched the weirdest movies, John.
There wasn't a lot to watch back then.
Very strange.
But oh, you were mentioning the...
Trouble
with Troubles.
Troubles, yeah.
From Star Trek.
Yeah.
That was a
great episode.
That was a fun episode, yeah.
It's 23 minutes past the hour and cloudy, maybe a sprinkle or two this morning.
I was surprised there wasn't a Muppet in
it.
Just throw a Muppet in with the triples and just surprise somebody.
That could have been great.
That could
have been the origination
of it.
That could have been
fun.
I'm looking up pictures of this Trouble with Tribbles episode right now.
You've never seen that one?
I've never seen any of the original Star Trek series.
Just pictures of this look absolutely insane.
What are these things?
They're
like... Multiplied.
They
invade the...
Starship Enterprise and they keep multiplying.
Like rabbits.
Yes.
And they show up everywhere.
What
happens?
How do they get out?
Well, you'd have to watch the episode.
We can't give that away.
Didn't they just gather them all up and put them in the teleporter?
They could just zap them to the other planets.
It's just microwaved them over the universe.
Of course, they never went back to that planet.
Something like that.
It's a big fuzzy planet.
It was a very funny episode.
They didn't do humor a lot on Star Trek, but that one was really, really funny.
Yeah, that got out of
hand.
It's
like buying your kid
too
many dolls.
Yes.
well let's get to the history book uh why don't you open it up there sam i know you're very sleepy come on you can do it yeah
there you go
okay
you know i actually would i've got so throat this morning from being so tired why
couldn't you sleep last night what well
it's not that i couldn't sleep last i slept all right last night i didn't even go to bed that late i just like i was really busy yesterday and then i forgot to
take a nap and drink water and eat food until like 10 o'clock at night.
Yeah, that's probably part of my problem.
But
is this a problem
for Gen
Z?
I'm not sure.
Maybe something we can talk to the Gen Z generation about.
What do you mean?
You're telling me that when you were 20 something, you didn't do the same sort of thing?
I guess I did.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm a night person.
You know, I'd stay
up
all night.
You can't be a night person now.
You're doing the show.
Got to get up there.
I know.
I know.
It
conflicts with my normal lifestyle.
That's
what I was forcing to do the afternoon.
Well, this is your normal lifestyle now, isn't it?
You've been doing it for a year and a half.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway.
What's in the history book?
Today in history.
Well, we played the Blues Brothers coming in.
Yeah.
Today in 1978, the Blues Brothers appeared on SNL for the first time.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
They were kind of a warm-up during the early days.
Oh,
yeah.
Yeah, they warmed up the audience and...
They
thought, hey, let's actually do this.
Yeah.
Yeah, their dancing performance
is crazy stuff.
It was funny stuff.
Yeah.
But I prefer the bees.
And I wish they had
the
bees.
The bee band that they did.
Right.
Yeah.
And I guess that was something that they hated.
They hated
to do.
I don't know why they came up.
They didn't like it.
That's like the very first episode.
Yeah.
The costumes.
They didn't like them.
OK.
Anything else happened on this date?
1915, what?
Nothing else happened.
Just trying to push forward.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
You don't care at all about this, do you, Gordy?
I'm not sure.
Okay, okay then.
He's been
on the fence for at least a year and a half.
Well, when people think about World War I, one of the big things, the scary things from that war was poison gas.
Chlorine gas was used for the first time on this day in World War I, 1915.
Chemical warfare.
Yeah, they used mustard gas too.
Yes, they did not fun stuff.
No, some some stuff that is fun.
We mentioned Earth Day before today 1970 we celebrated the first Earth Day I asked Gordy if Earth Day has always been on April 22nd because he's been around for all of them He said he couldn't remember John.
Do you remember?
No.
Ah,
it was it wasn't a big deal
for Not even the first one was a big deal.
No, really
I see how much you care about the earth.
I care, but it wasn't, I wasn't very active politically.
Sure,
yeah.
So.
I think on the first Earth Day, that was the day they had a lot of walks around the Chicagoland area.
And I walked 30 miles because they had pledges for 30 miles.
You were serious,
but you were really into the policy.
Yeah.
My friend, Mike Harvold, and I walked 30 miles together.
And the really stupid thing that we did, I told this story last year, is we decided, hey, we'll figure, we'll do this the right way.
We'll run the first five miles and then walk the, and then it'll be the last.
25 will be easy.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that was really stupid.
That was the dumbest thing ever, but we did make it 30 miles.
It took all day.
Yeah, I'm sure it did.
Yeah, they had rest stops along the way.
Typical thing a guy would think.
Yes, I know.
It was a long time ago.
You all right, Sam?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, at the start of the segment, when I do the cough, it actually makes me cough for real afterward.
Anyway.
Well, I know the Heimlich maneuver.
Oh, well, thank you.
Get in trouble.
Glad to know you got my back.
We got some birthdays today.
Oh, good.
It's Vladimir Lenin's birthday.
Love that guy.
He wrote some great songs.
Yeah.
J. Robert Oppenheimer and Jack Nicholson also have birthdays today.
Jack.
Yeah.
Jack Nicholson,
boy.
Born in 1937.
Getting up there.
Great movies.
Trying to town.
Oh, man.
And of course, you know, he was a great joker.
Oh, yeah.
In the first Batman movie.
He made like $50 million doing that movie.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
629, when we come back, it's time for Idiocracy a little bit later on in our 7 o'clock hour.
Attorney Jim Santel will get us caught up on all the legal stuff.
Back with more in just a few minutes.
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down, until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.
This is grade A weapons grade stupidity.
Just doing my civic duties.
We can duck and cover.
There's a fall each other right there.
There's no way to survive this, you idiot!
Idiocracy.
For the smartest
guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.
Weapons grade,
yes.
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We were talking about the word trefoil.
John, remember that?
Yes.
Cookies.
We're not sure exactly.
Before we get into idiocracy, let's find out how to say the girl's got cookie trefoil.
That's trefoil.
Trefoil.
Trefoil.
How do we do it?
How can we find out the correct pronunciation?
It's only there was a way.
Thank God there's a guy on YouTube who has pronounced just about every word that exists.
Yes.
He's here to tell us how to say it.
Julian!
How do you say it?
Trefoil.
Trefoil.
Pretty straightforward once you know.
Tre.
Foil.
Tre.
Trefoil.
Trefoil.
Trefoil.
Trefoil.
Trefoil.
Okay, accents on the
second.
Trefoil.
Trefoil.
Okay.
Now, we know the rest of the story.
Well, it's Julian.
He usually gives a nice little promotion for himself in
there
somehow.
We cut that part out.
What?
I wish I looked forward to that.
Always, I would figure it out.
All
you have to do is give.
He's very breathy.
Make fun of the French.
What are you doing?
They can take that Statue of Liberty right back from us any day now.
We'll see that being shipped out.
At least the idea.
They did take that back.
They don't like the sentiment that the U.S.
is now trampling all over.
This is a story that I did.
I have a dated...
April 18, okay, okay, but you know, it's been bothering me and I've got to get it to get this off my chest
because it's
just
We
hate to see you reclump like this and you know walk it around with your head hanging
low.
You know what is it?
When I talk to my mega friend in Milwaukee it bothers me when we hear CJ it bothers me.
In fact no one's heard from CJ and he might have died or been sent to El Salvador either way.
But we really haven't heard from him.
But I always think of these guys, they're not getting it.
They're not understanding what's going on out there.
And this can happen to you.
And now it's happening to the employees of the federal government.
But it is that Elon has put in surveillance.
In most every one of the departments that he has taken over Oh,
really people and yes, that's a new thing.
Yeah.
Well, this is the AI takeover Elon Musk is reportedly using artificial intelligence to surveil federal employees communications for signs of hostility toward President Trump Okay, now this was this was done like I'm it was revealed after
A judge ruled that Doge is allowed to access American sensitive personal data.
And my head explodes just thinking about that.
That's like me and I work for the census.
The Commerce Department, the federal government, and my boss, oddly, is Howard Ludnick.
Ludnick!
Get in here!
Ludnick!
What
a great name.
He's my boss.
Yeah,
he is your boss.
And I know, I don't know if I'm ever going to live that down, but here it is.
Now they're looking, you know.
at people's communications, right?
Oh boy.
And they're using artificial intelligence for that.
Are
you
worried?
Well, I'm not that worried.
Doing the census is not that much fun, but it's a job, you know?
And I like doing it.
But here's the thing, they're probably now figuring out, well, what is John?
Facebook.
What is John posting at demokermudgeon.blogspot.com?
What is John talking about on his radio show?
Oh my god, they're gonna surveil me here and they're gonna know that I'm not a big fan of the golden pile of crap that's inhabiting the White House.
Well,
if they weren't surveilling you before, they are now.
You're
on
the radar.
So that's why that bothers me an awful lot.
I
see.
There's
surveillance going on.
This
is going to happen nationwide.
Everybody's communications will be surveilled because they have the billionaires on their side now.
You got to imagine that that's what they talked about behind closed doors, right?
Mm-hmm.
Metta and everybody else that's trying to jump on board here.
Yep.
That's it.
I guess it's time to start an underground newspaper or invent a coded language or something.
Well,
you've got the Mimeograph machine, so that's
a start.
I
mean, Elon obviously is surveilling everything we post on X, and I haven't been real kind to Elon when I post stuff against him.
And by the way, these are personal.
He posts something, I react to it.
I am communicating directly to Elon, I think.
Well, you could be targeted,
who knows?
That's what I'm thinking.
That's what I'm thinking.
Does that make you want to change your deal?
What you talk about?
Yes, I'm going to
start censoring myself.
That'll happen.
Yeah, that'll be the day.
You know, I was watching CNN up here and they showed Byron Donalds, you know, represented Byron Donalds.
He's nuts.
You know, he's a true mega.
He's a real loser and he loves Trump.
My guy,
this
guy kisses ass.
Yeah.
Okay.
So anyway, he did a town hall and the people at the town hall were shouting at him and getting angry.
Right.
It happens.
And you know,
I realized as I was watching, I was thinking, you know, these guys, they don't take any of the complaints seriously.
No.
They dig in, right?
I mean, they don't care.
No, they don't.
They think they're right, and these people showing up are paid actors to be in the crowd.
God, how desperate do you have to be to
say they're paid people?
Where do I sign up to get paid for doing this stuff?
I
know.
What it just rolls off their back.
They don't think anything.
Yeah, just think they're a bunch of crazies
and right paid actors.
Yeah.
And he was sitting there while standing there telling him how great Trump and his plan is.
And and these people were complaining that the Wall Street is collapsing.
Yes.
Not
so great for them.
Right.
Dropped a thousand points yesterday.
The worst April since the depression.
Right.
So there you go.
But anyway, that's
that's what's happening.
OK, now.
OK.
Here's another one.
The government money that's blocked.
Right for Harvard.
What what is it?
What is the money?
You know a lot of people have been talking about this I just want wanted to focus in on that the federal government doesn't give money to Harvard you know to buy library books or sophomores tuition or anything like that the US government is buying services from Harvard scientific and medical research to develop
drugs and whatever else they're researching.
These aren't woke donations.
They are contracts, proposed, reviewed, awarded, and the metrics are all there for them to spend this money correctly on the things they need.
And the reason they go to the universities is because it doesn't cost as much as going to a private company.
And the private companies don't want to spend all that money and find out whatever it is they're doing.
doesn't work, so they're leaving it up to the universities for all of this.
Harvard is a government contractor in that sense.
Lab by lab, scientist by scientist, just the way any other company is a contractor.
That's true of Columbia's $400 million that are frozen in contracts and all the rest.
R1 research universities do crucial research.
The federal government can't do itself.
but that we as a nation have decided we need done.
It's mission driven, pioneering and essential.
So that's
what that money is all about.
The National Institute of Health can't do all that.
I mean, they can coordinate some of it, I'm sure, but the CDC.
But they do research and they actually organize all the university research projects and then they run it through them and then they decide near the end to dole out
that drug or that research to
a
private company who will kind of fine tune it and market it.
That's the whole reason we send it to the, to big pharma in most
cases.
Well, you know, we might need some of that research if the bird flu gets out of hand or, you know, the pandemic, you know, another pandemic happens.
I was going
to bring something in for the blue bird flu.
This person was giving a speech on that and she was talking about how
how devastating that one disease can be because it is obviously traveling from one animal to the next.
Right.
Keep spreading to different animals.
Yes.
We're animals.
It could spread to us.
And they say that it's many times worse than COVID and it'll be even more difficult to stop.
Yeah.
Well, Bobby Kennedy juniors on top of it.
I'm sure you know that should give you some pause and some and
and dr. Oz
yeah
Rest
easy.
They got it under control.
All
right.
All right, let's get to my Dr. Oz story.
I actually
have
a story in there.
Bobby
Kennedy Jr.
He actually controls Medicaid and Medicare services now.
Oh, God.
And he's offered up some real, really good advice.
This is
cut 211.
Okay.
And it's simple.
It's a simple formula.
All you have to
do is just follow his simple formula.
Okay.
And so let's listen to it.
Okay.
But and it is your patriotic duty I'll say it again the patriotic duty of all Americans to take care of themselves Because it's important for serving in the military, but it's also important because healthy people don't consume health care resources The best way to reduce drug spending is to use less drugs because you don't need them because you're healthy and it feels a lot better as well so just
So just be healthy be healthy
Dr. Oz.
Wow.
That's great advice for him.
Had we known, you know, here
we've
been getting sick
because
we thought we might enjoy it.
I don't know.
Sam, do you have something
to
offer on that?
Well, he's partially right.
Yeah, well, what do you mean?
If you get sick, you can't help that, obviously, but like if you're talking about smoking or something like that, you can make a choice not to do that and eventually down the line burden the health care system.
Most of what Dr. Oz says is wild, wacky stuff.
Depending upon the context, may or may not be.
You brought up smoking.
It's kind of interesting.
The government sanctions it.
They allow it.
So it's
not
right.
It's up to people to stop smoking.
The government says smoke.
And there are people out there that say, oh, OK, I'll smoke.
That's the way it was for many, many,
many decades.
Many, many years, yeah.
Well, they put those warnings on them.
Now
they're blaming the people that are smoking.
Well,
they put those warnings on the packs of cigarettes and, you know, so that should be enough.
That's the government's part of, you know, advising you.
This could be damaging to your health.
It could cause death.
All right, we got another
one here.
This is really short.
Okay, we got time for this.
It's cut 212.
Get that one up.
This
is a Trump lying about low price of eggs.
And then he takes that back.
Oh, let's listen to this.
And the egg prices are down 87%.
But nobody talks about that.
You can have all the eggs you want.
We have too many eggs, in fact, if anything, the prices are getting too low.
So I just want to let you know prices are down.
Prices are down.
OK.
They're too, maybe they're too low.
When he runs his mouth like that, it's like making stuff up.
Deep thoughts, right?
Yeah.
But, you know, I think the prices are too low now.
Yeah.
Aren't they?
Aren't they too low?
Well, what does that mean, Donald?
Yeah.
What should we do now that the prices are too low?
Oh boy.
God, he's
just, what a mess.
Out of control.
What a mess.
648, coming up in our seven o'clock hour, we'll be talking to Jim Santel, attorney at law, and get a weather update from Brittany Merlot.
Right now we're at 39 degrees, highs in the mid 60s today.
We'll be back with more of John and Gordy in a moment.
It's Earth Day.
Nice.
Alright, WMDX.
John
and Gordy in the morning, 6.52.
The rain has started up again.
That's some showers downtown on State Street here.
And the street sweeper just went through and hung it up for the day.
Going back to the garage, I think,
as he didn't anticipate that it would rain to listen to our
forecast.
OK, because we're usually right, right, right as rain.
Oh, I see what you did there.
Yeah.
Okay,
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We were
talking about Doge, yeah, and and how Elon is now surveilling
government employees.
And I'm one of those government employees.
They're working hard on my case.
Be careful, my friend.
So anyway, now we have Russia tapping into our information.
They're tapping into the National Labor Relations Board.
and that is thanks to Doge.
for making this all possible.
The whistleblower attorney revealed shocking allegations regarding a doge security breach at the National Labor Relations Board during an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper.
Oh boy.
All right, and this happened a little while back.
Last week, let's listen to cut 167.
This is Jake Tapper talking to the whistleblower saying that Russia is tapping into the National Labor Relations Board.
We reached out to the White House about your claims, which obviously were made public when you came forward and went to Congress.
You got this statement, quote, it is months old news that President Trump signed an executive order to hire doge employees at agencies and coordinate data sharing.
Their highly qualified team has been extremely public and transparent in its efforts to eliminate waste fraud and abuse across the executive branch, including the National Labor Relations Board, unquote.
What's your response to that?
So.
I believe that if that was true, we would have access to the code that they're running.
We would be able to see these things that they're hiding.
I don't believe that there's transparency and that's all I'm asking for here.
And Andrew, give us the view, the 30,000 foot view here because obviously this data could be beneficial to others, either corporations or even a foreign actor with malign intention.
How do we
How do you know that?
So we know that because the information that the National Labor Relations Board
looks at are basically corporate documents and things that involve unions.
So there's a lot of sensitive corporate information that is included within this, which yes, couldn't, you know, be of interest to Elon Musk, but at the same time, they're of interest to our foreign adversaries.
I'd like to step back for a moment and talk about what the larger implications here.
This is bad.
So
this is happening at the NLRB, at the National Labor Relations Board.
But Dan is
brave enough to come forward.
And there are others within the government that I've talked to and that we've talked to who have seen something identical as this.
There are two data points that I want to point out that should put everybody pause.
The first thing.
What Dan witnessed was that within 15 minutes of Doge employees creating user accounts, i.e.
usernames and passwords, within 15 minutes of those accounts being created, somebody or something from Russia tried to log in with the right username and right passwords, that is to say the right credentials.
And that happened over 20 times.
The
second data point, which is really critical, is that Doge has also been using Starlink.
as a means to exfiltrate data.
What that means is that
from
our understanding that Russia has a direct pipeline of information through Starlink, which means that anything going through Starlink is going to Russia.
We
also know that this is not unique to the NLRB.
this is happening government-wide.
And then
the other thing that I wanted to flag for everybody is that right now, and I don't want to say that this is intentional, it could very well have been a mistake, is that critical infrastructure databases in many government agencies, as we understand it, have been exposed to the open internet, which includes critical databases at the Department of Energy, which includes a lot of our nuclear regulatory agency material.
So right now, the real concern is that this is not un-electronomal, and all of the
control panels lighting up after the meltdown.
This is serious and I just want to commend Dan for coming forward to bring this to
everybody's
attention because this really is a tip of the
iceberg.
Yeah, that's a little scary.
Yeah, that is real scary if that's just a tip of the iceberg.
Wow.
So Starlink is all hooked up.
Yes.
They've got all of our information
and the tampering by doge.
Yeah in each one of these agencies opened that information personal information up to the internet Perfect and as soon as they came up with their words passwords and logins.
Yeah Somebody already got them in Russia and tapped in and tried to take this information.
That's great.
You know, I
I don't know.
We don't have a government to back up any of this anymore.
When is Putin going to land
on the White House lawn
in
a helicopter?
Just walk in and take over.
That's
right.
I got too much information on you, Trump.
Sorry, man.
Walk.
Take a walk.
Doge not only accessed data from his agency, but also took a substantial amount of sensitive data
with them.
Oh, actually took information from each government agency.
According to disclosure shared by Congress, around 10 gigabits of data are gone.
The equivalent of a full stack of encyclopedias worth if someone printed these files into documents.
So there you go.
Okay.
That's
just breathtaking.
I
will print.
Give them to Russia.
Sure.
Why not?
All right.
Okay.
Coming up in our seven o'clock hour, Jim Santel, attorney at law, will join us.
We've got a weather update from Brittany Merlot.
Stay with us on John and Gordy in the
morning.
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Live from Madison, Wisconsin, it's John and Gordy in the morning on 92.7
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You know, this is gonna be a big hour here.
Okay.
What do you got?
Jim Santel will talk to him about some legal problems that the Trump administration has.
I think they have a few.
I'm not quite sure.
We'll check with Jim.
Right?
Get the latest.
And we'll be talking momentarily about the two teenagers ousted out of Hawaii.
Oh boy.
You gotta worry about the Germans invading Hawaii.
Okay.
All that and and gold cherubs.
Oh, no.
Yeah,
it's really
featured on Jets.
Everybody
will get to that in just a moment.
seven minutes past the hour it's cloudy we've got some rain moving through at the moment and it's Earth Day high today about 65 degrees by the way there is a there's an Earth Day Parade 350 Wisconsin and other environmental organizations are sponsoring a parade today at 3 p.m.
you can meet at the Capitol at the Lady Forward statue march around the Capitol listen to speakers take part in art
Artivism projects to protect Wisconsin's land, water, and air on this Earth Day.
And we'll be checking in on the weather for it today with Brittany Merlot.
In just a moment, do we want to recap our first hour here?
I think we do.
Do we have a
music bed
for the AI summation?
The title of it is From Puppet Shows to Putin's Pipeline.
Broadcasting chaos ensues as John and Gordy juggle puppet shows, weather roulette, and fire alarms.
They reminisce about Earth Day's origins, ponder America's obsession with jelly beans, and debate the best Girl Scout cookies revealing a soft spot for trefoils.
As hilarity unfolds, a sinister plot thickens.
Elon Musk's AI is allegedly spying on federal employees and with potential Russian data breaches via Starlink.
The hosts lament political absurdity from Trump's egg price faux pas to Dr. Oz's health hacks.
It's the comedic banter.
Is that what we
do?
A chilling whistleblower revelation warns of Russia tapping into the National Labor Relations Board.
Oh, God.
Stay tuned for more shenanigans.
That's what AI has to say about our first hour.
This must be an older AI.
You boys in
there with your shenanigans and falder all what's the matter with you?
Never
ends
well, it doesn't it
doesn't okay.
Let's get to the the two teenagers to German teenagers students class trip.
I think yeah, it was their own
class trip that they took and they're globetrotting.
Essentially that's what they're doing.
All right.
They got kicked out of Hawaii.
How do you get kicked out of Hawaii?
What you do?
Here's the question.
Why haven't we heard stories like this before?
Okay.
I mean, that's that's my question We we haven't heard about people getting kicked out of Hawaii or any place for that matter until now So I think there's something going on now that's making something like this possible, right?
And and I'm gonna pull this from another web wisdom here.
This is Aaron Parness one and he has the story for us.
Let's listen
We have some big news right now, and if you're traveling to the United States, listen up.
Two German teenagers traveled to Hawaii as one of the last stops on their world tour, essentially, without a hotel booked.
And while ICE officials thought that they were going to stay for a long time and illegally work there, detained them.
put them in green jumpsuits, and next thing they knew, they were deported.
This
is according
to a local Hawaiian newspaper.
After hours of questioning at Honolulu Airport, they said they were placed in handcuffs, loaded into a transport vehicle, and brought to what they later determined was a deportation detention facility.
They were subjected to full body scans, strip searches, and issued green prison uniforms.
They were held in a holding cell overnight with individuals accused of serious crimes.
Folks, this is a warning if you are trying
traveling to the United States and you don't have hotels booked or any accommodations booked, you may be subject to this same fate, especially if you are not a US citizen.
Boy,
oh boy.
That'll do a lot for tourism, I think, under this country.
We're already losing tons of tourism from Canada and now Europe is staying pretty much clear of the US at this point.
Germany certainly isn't going to come back.
Oh boy.
Yeah,
so looking
good
for
tourism.
These teenagers, you know, they were they were deported, but they were deported to the country of their choice, which was Japan because they were going
onto Australia, I think.
Okay,
well, they didn't want this to wreck their trip.
Well, that's
good.
Yeah, yeah.
So they're going to be okay.
There's a positive.
They've got a crazy story to tell their kids now.
Yes,
they certainly do.
I think that newspaper, local newspaper in Hawaii was the beat of Hawaii travel news.
And they also had this, travelers should expect to
clearly explain their travel plans, show proof of accommodations for their entire stay there, and provide evidence of onward or return travel.
Visitors must also
have proof of sufficient funds to support themselves while in Hawaii and be ready to answer detailed questions from U.S.
border officials.
A vague or incomplete explanation of travel plans could lead to delays, further questioning, or again, deportation.
Now, I'm unfamiliar with ever hearing stories about this.
You're
unfamiliar
with what?
We've never really heard people being deported from anywhere from this country or from
Hawaii.
Not like this.
No.
Simply because they didn't have hotel accommodations.
What do you do when you're just kind of, you know, wandering, right?
You're just going to wander through the Hawaiian islands and stay where you want to stay.
Yeah, they're just teenagers.
Yes, they're just on the, yeah, they're just taking a tour by themselves.
Right.
I'm just exploring.
I know being a citizen, I wasn't up for this, I guess, but we went out west and we didn't have hotel accommodations
set up.
We just took a trip.
Well, in the old days, you could hitchhike around the country.
Remember those days?
Yeah, those are gone now.
Boy, that's way gone.
When I lived in Boston, a couple of friends of mine hitchhiked from Chicago.
Yeah.
Out to Boston just for the weekend.
Just to come out, hang out for a couple of days and hitchhike back.
That's right.
No problem.
Kids in the early 70s.
I
mean, it
still happens.
Really?
I've
picked up a hitchhiker once.
Not to go somewhere.
The car broke down and I drove into a gas station, but still.
It's nice of you.
Yeah, you don't see people who try
to do it.
No, no, no.
You've seen too
many slasher movies
with
that.
Yeah.
All right, anyway,
that's crazy stuff.
It
is.
And it's big news and it shouldn't be happening anywhere at all.
All right, now let's get to the gold cherubs, okay?
This is having to do with authoritarianism.
And it was a bit on The Daily Show.
And they were talking about the aesthetic.
And the gold obsessed Trump has that gold aesthetic down He's trying to be dr. Goldfoot and the bikini machine he really is so let's hear this cut from John Stuart on the Daily Show
Authoritarianism isn't just policies.
It's an aesthetic.
The opulence of medieval kings, the excesses of Middle Eastern autocrats.
It's a Pinterest vibe that speaks to the power of one's position, the riches that are the privilege of the office.
Does Trump measure up?
Does he have the lack of available wall space?
You have the mantle, and you have the cherubs.
Is that from Mar-a-Longa?
Yeah, that's actually their gold, all gold, look.
And you know, it's angels.
They visited me in the night and asked me to change my ways.
So I held them down and dipped them in gold.
Cherubs.
I drowned them in gold, liquid gold.
Have you ever heard an angel scream, it is just...
It is erotic.
By the way, if any of you are wondering if the cherubs that are now in the Oval Office are real gold, then I know many of you are wondering that.
It is real gold.
And there's a very good reason for that.
Throughout the years, people have tried to come up with a gold paint that would look like gold.
And they've never been able to do it.
You've never been able to match gold with gold paint.
That's why it's gold.
I don't mind them.
It's like pediatric cancer research, but I hope by the end of the term, we can come up with a good gold paint substitute.
All right.
Yeah, I have noticed.
The Oval Office has a lot more gold in the background.
Oh, yeah.
Along the mantle there.
He's obsessed with gold, obviously, you know, the gold toilets.
I don't
get what people's obsession with gold is.
To me, it's like one of the ugliest colors.
I hate it.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I don't find it all that attractive either, but yeah, especially in the White House.
Well,
yeah, Mr. Mr. King Trump.
Well, he gets his crown and his robe.
Well, here's writer Carol Cadwell.
Oh, wait, Cadwallard.
Ked Walder.
Ked Walder, that's it.
It's Carol Ked Walder.
She's an author, very popular.
Anyway, she was at a TED conference and she was explaining a little something about all of this, the oligarchs and gold.
Let's listen to this.
The Russian and American presidents are now speaking the same words.
They are telling the same lies.
We are watching the collapse of the international order in real time, and this is just the start.
Coos are like concrete.
When they stop moving, they set.
It is already later than we think.
This image, some of you in this room might know these people.
I call it tech grows in hostage situations.
It's a message to you.
This is Putin's playbook.
He allows a business elite to make untold riches in exchange for absolute loyalty.
Some people are calling this oligarchy, but it is actually bigger than that.
These are global platforms.
It's broligarchy.
And it has to start with naming it.
That's right.
So
it's a
coup.
It's a coup.
It's
a coup.
Yeah.
And she also wrote the first wave of tech disruption of democracy.
It took place 2016 to 24.
And that's all over.
That's the tech, tech disruption.
What starts now is something much, much worse, the age of information chaos.
And it's her prediction anyway.
And who was that again?
That is Carol Kedwalder.
Okay.
Yeah.
And
I don't call it information chaos.
We call it the fire hose of lies.
I think that's a lot
easier
to remember.
That's more accurate.
18 minutes past the hour.
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721 raining in Madison right now right outside our studios on State Street.
Let's check in with our WMDX chief meteorologist, Brittany Merlot.
Good morning, Brittany.
Hi.
Good morning, guys.
Happy Earth
Day.
I love the dancing.
Did you like that?
Yeah,
we're working on our act.
Taking on the road.
Yeah, he likes to go out on the dance floor.
That's right.
Make a fool of himself.
You know, somebody's got to do it.
Well, somebody always, you know, gets out there and everybody else sits there and says, God, he's too old for this.
He shouldn't be doing that.
Come on, it's
good exercise.
That's right.
Yeah, what's wrong with you, John?
If I look at somebody out on the dance floor, they're all alone, but they're having the time of their life, then I'm like, good for them.
They're happy.
They're having fun.
You know, I always look at the people standing on the side thinking, they're the smart ones.
OK.
All right.
Brittany, you enjoy a good dance every once
in a
while,
right?
Not
there
to shake it off.
Absolutely.
I'm a dance floor.
I'm in the rain.
I don't care.
I love to dance.
Well, it's a unique thing here in Wisconsin.
Women dancing with other women.
You don't see that at other states.
You really don't.
Yeah, you do.
No?
No.
I think so.
Yeah.
Thank you.
They have to resort to dancing with each other.
Because
people like John just sitting in the wall all the time.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, I can see your point there.
Okay, you got a point.
I ain't budging.
Okay.
All right.
So rainy this
morning around here.
What is that?
Did you go interview someone on the street this morning?
That was Pee Wee.
It was PB Herman.
Yeah.
I thought he stopped by.
Oh, that's great.
So how long is this going to last, this rain?
What do you think?
I think it's going to be done by about 10, 11 o'clock this morning.
So ease up.
You'll start to see a little spots of sunshine later on this afternoon.
And then there's some storms that want to fire up this evening, but they look to stay south into Illinois.
So I really don't think that they're going to be bugging you guys at all.
And high temperatures today, a little bit warmer, making it to the mid sixties.
Plus, I mean, it's Earth Day.
So why not give the Earth the rain it needs?
So.
Yeah, I like it.
I like it.
And is the warmth going to stick around for a few days?
What do you
think?
Oh, you bet.
It's going to be pretty nice down there.
70 degrees tomorrow, 70 on Thursday.
We fall a little bit cooler on Friday to about 60 degrees.
And
then for the weekend, into those upper 60s to low 70s.
Did you say out?
Oh, that's funny.
Are you getting showers in Wausau this morning?
Um,
I've
actually don't get jealous.
I've got clear skies and a lot
of sunshine up here.
Oh, no.
Well, gee, now and now we're getting in the bad weather and you're getting all the good weather up
there.
Oh, a little
bit.
Just for now.
Just for now.
We're going to get showers a little bit later.
But yeah, it's draft week and the go figure.
We've got this big system that wants to hit.
No,
right
there.
Thursday night
into Friday morning.
Oh, no.
A
decent soaker.
Oh,
that's awful.
The big NFL draft is going to be, it's going to be raining there, huh?
It's going to be raining.
So
maybe you know, football fans
from other teams are going to have to go into our pro shop and grab the Green Bay ponchos and rock it
and bring it
home with them.
Again, you're hitting me at the wrong time here.
I'm telling you, they don't have raincoats.
Packer raincoats, they do not have them.
They just give you these clear plastic bags to wear.
That's wrong.
Don't they have
ponchos?
No, they don't.
Not at all?
No, they don't have.
No, well, they have the.
clear plastic.
No, no, no, green.
They do not have green and gold raincoats or parkas
anymore.
I
don't know.
You know, they've genericized everything.
They're going by what the south wants to buy.
Because they don't have the snow down there.
They don't have the rain down there.
We've got it all up here and we wear this stuff outdoors and they don't make it and it's not at the pro shop.
If somebody finds one.
Yeah, send a link here, you know, just tell us all right
You hit me in the source, but that just makes me angry.
Calm down for a minute here.
Maybe after this event and all the rain going on, they're going to wake up and realize that they need more gear.
That's what I'm thinking too.
Yeah, thank you for being so positive on that.
Very good, Brittney.
Helping me through that.
Thank you
so much for your weather report.
We'll talk to you again tomorrow morning.
All
right.
All right.
Have a great weather day.
Have your neighbors texted us here and they say, hi guys, streaming from New Orleans.
Woo!
Oh,
good morning.
Getting ready for jazz and heritage festival.
Tell us what you want to see and wheels.
All right.
Well, that's that's big stuff.
Yeah, the jazz and heritage festival.
Definitely have to give them
an idea of what we want.
Well, a lot of a lot of beads, right?
Yes, we need beads and pictures of whatever's going on on Bourbon Street.
Yes, Tyler out in Columbia County said hitchhiking still exists.
We just call it Uber.
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And Mark, he said there was a movie, Elizabeth...
The Golden Age, the next movie, Trump the Tacky Age.
A portrait of a vulgar, vulgarian.
I'm with you on that.
And then we also have another idea workshopped here.
When
is the John and Gordy show going to get Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson on the show to talk about 9-11?
being an inside job.
No, he made an appearance and a talk show and he brought it up and he said there should be investigations into 9 11 to make really make sure it wasn't an inside.
See, the thing with Ron Johnson is he just he was his problem.
He spends all his time coming up with needless ridiculous ideas and conspiracy theories.
It's a site show.
He doesn't do anything.
He's completely incapable of doing anything.
I remember way back when he explained it this way.
He says, you know, I could get more done, but I first want everybody to understand the problem.
No, OK.
And that's been his excuse ever since.
He's explaining the problem, and he's not ever going to come up with a solution or get anything done.
He's just going to keep telling us what the problem is.
Well, thank you, Ron.
You're the problem.
Well, we should reach out to him and let him, you know.
If we run out of time, I had this big long story that I wanted to get to.
Jeffrey Sachs.
We'll get
to that a little bit later on in our next half hour.
I doubt it.
Okay, 728.
We've
got Jim Santel coming up.
We've got a
lot of legal stuff
to get to.
Coming
up next after the Food and Farm report with Ham Yankee.
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I'm not quite sure what the hell this is.
What is it?
This is the theme from Matlock.
Oh, it is?
Yeah.
Okay.
Remember Andy Griffith had that white suit that
he wore all the time on Matlock?
Now, I think they've regenerated this series.
They
brought it
back with Kathy Bateman.
Kathy
Bateman.
I saw
that there was a new one.
I didn't see who
it was.
I could be wrong.
I don't know.
Well, maybe Jim knows.
It's OK if you're wrong.
It's 7.35.
It
doesn't matter.
Cloudy and rainy this morning.
And that should be moving out.
And then we'll be left with a mix of clouds and sunshine and highs in the mid-60s.
All right.
OK.
All
right, we've got Jim Santel with us.
This is attorney at law.
Yeah.
There are so many court cases.
Yeah, where
do we begin?
Our docket is
filled.
Yes, it is.
Jim, you're a busy man these days, just keeping track of things like this for us.
Yeah,
it's
great.
And failing at that important task, I will tell you, just because it is too much.
And as you folks know, in addition to this wonderful broadcast, I spend some time on Civic Media on Saturday mornings.
And it's not just the cutting room floor.
It is just every single minute trying to figure out what is the most important thing to talk about.
And so to listeners, wide and far, if you're overwhelmed, join all of us who are trying to keep track of it.
It is just too much.
It's a lot.
It really is.
And you know, the big case that came down was the late night decision to prevent
people from being deported.
I mean, these buses were on their way.
The Venezuelans.
Yeah, and they had to go back and prevent the deportation of these individuals.
And this was a big court win for those who are trying to protect due process.
You know, this is a very strange thing.
We've got to protect due process.
You know, I thought this is just a normal everyday thing you assume is in the Constitution in some way, shape, or form.
Is that correct?
It is, it's there, right?
It's not only there in language, but it's there in spirit and an impact.
And a stunning thing about this is you literally have lawyers as the buses are being loaded and they're taking about 50 more Venezuelans to the airport.
This is coming out of a detention center in Texas.
They're literally running to the courts and saying, stop that from happening right now before they get on those planes.
And they jump into all kinds of different courts.
The Supreme Court, again, stunningly, seven to two, you can guess who the two are, say, no, no, you've got to stop this.
And that comes in the wake of the other important thing that they've done recently, as they have said, to your good point, John, they have said, you have to afford people due process.
And if you're still not doing this, we're going to stop you from doing what you're attempting to do.
You have to file these habeas corpus petitions.
You have to petition the court.
in a district court where the bodies are, where the people are being held, but it is an affirmation that maybe, just maybe, John Roberts and at least the majority of the Supreme Court are saying, Donald, you don't get to do whatever you want to do.
just because he were elected president five months ago.
Jim, didn't they try to get around this by going to a different district with these Venezuelans to the next district over in another county in Texas?
Absolutely, right?
They're literally running into, everybody's running into all kinds of courts, obviously, but again, seeking to have, again, another district judge basically overrule the Supreme Court.
We're pulling out all the stops
And that's the larger issue, right?
Putting aside that kind of frivolity when it comes to litigation.
This is an administration, as the two and three of you have said so often and so compellingly.
This is the larger issue.
They don't care.
And they're saying no.
And I'm here to tell you this morning, if you have any doubt about it, constitutional crisis, that is now in the rear view mirror.
We are there.
We are there.
And the question is now, what do you want to do to preserve
what is left here.
What are you going to do to stop this executive branch?
Well, let's take a look at Alito's dissent on this particular thing.
What was he thinking?
I mean, doesn't he know there's due process?
I mean, he thinks that maybe the president has all of these powers now, but that doesn't get rid of what the Constitution basically guarantees everyone in this country, everyone in the country, citizen or non-citizen alike.
What was his
descent?
Yes.
And of course, it's joined by Clarence Thomas.
Yeah,
the two we've seen that that before.
But he says that the majority decision again, the seven of the post the two, he says that that was not necessary, not necessary.
Think about that to support the Constitution or even worse, appropriate, appropriate.
Those are the headline words, of course, are falling all over the the the newspaper.
He says in some literally in the middle of the night,
Yes, because that's when this is going on, he says.
The court issued unprecedented and legally questionable relief without giving the lower courts a chance to rule.
We've seen this play before, right?
You run into the lower courts, they'll schedule a hearing next Tuesday afternoon, right?
Or even if they do get to immediately, that's the point.
That's the point of injunctive relief.
He knows better than that.
And within eight hours, received the application.
dubious factual support without providing explanation for its order.
Yes, because the bridge is burning, the town is flooding, you need to stop something bad from happening right now, Justice Alito, since we had no good reason to think that under the circumstances, issuing an order at midnight was necessary or appropriate.
Well, if you hadn't, there would be 50 more people now sitting in that Seacot prison in El Salvador.
It is a, and he knows better, he knows better.
This is intellectual dishonesty at its highest level.
It absolutely is.
It's just stunning that he could think like that and still be on the Supreme Court as a justice.
Okay.
That's where I'm at on it.
And his colleague, of course, again, hooking back to last summer, we talked about this as well.
Oh, it just happened to be Clarence Thomas that said, maybe, maybe we should revisit Brown versus Board of Education.
There's been way too much enforcement of that.
And we need to think back to 1954 and kind of revisit that issue as well.
In addition to all kinds of privacy rights, both of them need to go off and write their books and maybe not let this president appoint new Supreme
Court
justices.
But the time has come.
They're anachronistic on the Supreme Court they long have been.
We're talking with Jim Santel, former U.S.
attorney.
And there's another case here that you
I want to highlight here, Jim, and mention to us here, there's a really big case, an appeals court case, and this apparently is kind of a summary of everything that has to do with checks and balances and telling Donald Trump and his administration what they're obliged to do as president.
Can you tell us more about this one?
Absolutely.
This is the one involving one of those 238 plucked up and sent
to that prison back on March 15th.
His name is Abrago Garcia.
Everyone's seen his picture.
He's the Maryland man.
He is not a citizen, doesn't make a difference.
His wife and children are.
He's plucked up.
There was a finding that he is properly here.
And the administration goes into court and says, oops, we made a mistake.
He shouldn't have been there.
The Solicitor General says that to the United States Supreme Court.
You've got people like Stephen Miller who again recently says, no, no, we didn't make a mistake.
All of that to one side.
What happens is
Judge Zinnis, X-I-N-I-S, Paula is her first name.
She's in Maryland, like the judge in the District of Columbia.
Her hair is on fire appropriately, and I mean that supportingly,
because
she is at her wit's end with this government saying, bring him back, tell me what you're doing.
And you know, the Supreme Court has already directed that that's supposed to happen.
And it still hasn't happened.
The administration appeals Judge Zinnis to the Fourth Circuit's basically the
The Mid-Atlantic States, it's North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia, and Maryland.
And that's where we get, Gordy, to what exactly you just said.
It's easy and it's accessible reading.
It's a whopping six pages long.
It's not steeped in legalese.
And if listeners have an opportunity later this morning, pull it up.
It is this articulation.
So well done.
of the powers of the branches, saying we've all got our places in this, and then saying we cling to the hope.
This is the last portion written to Donald Trump.
We cling to the hope, the court says.
Let me go back.
It's all too possible in this case to see it as an incipient crisis, but it may present an opportunity as well.
That's what the court says.
We yet cling to the hope.
that it is not naive to believe that our good brethren in the executive branch, that's Donald Trump, perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos.
This case presents their unique chance, their chance to vindicate that value and to summon the best that is within us while there is still time.
That is just, those are two of the just compelling senses that make you as you're wiping your eye, Gordy.
Do make you cry.
They make you cry and
they
inspire us.
And again, last Saturday, I read the entire thing on the air because it's so good.
And it should be the last word on this.
Supreme Court all means to do is say, for circuit, you got it right.
bring him back.
That's all they need to do.
Yeah, it is really a good read.
I have to admit, everybody should definitely check that out.
What is the judge's name again?
Yes, the judge's name is J. Harvey Wilkinson,
for what
it's worth.
Again, unfortunately, we do this today in America.
He, again, was appointed by Ronald Reagan.
widely admired across the board, and George W. Bush considered naming him to the Supreme Court.
He wrote that, okay?
And he's joined by two others, one appointed by Clinton, one appointed by Obama.
All three of them endorsed this statement.
It's a new declaration of maybe that independence, but a new constitutional codification.
Wow, it's just amazing.
Well, what can be done next?
I mean, if the Trump administration just shrugs their shoulders and say, oh, you know,
Well, we'll send some lawyers and look at this whole thing again and... I mean, they just keep, you know, pushing this stuff off and not... not dealing with it.
Yeah.
Not
responding, really.
We're gonna have a... We're gonna basically have a midnight Supreme Court here.
Working
every evening here.
Yes, yeah, as well they should because, again, going back to our previous conversations,
i'm
not
saying donald trump would have done all this on his own but remember july 1 2024 another historic day in american history when the supreme court said uh the presidency not only immune from criminal prosecution but also needs to be nimble can't be feeble needs to be strong and active and reactive quickly you can't have a weak executive that's what we established that's what john roberts wrote and he takes an awful lot at his feet
an awful lot of the authority here again that Donald Trump is using at least codified then it will to your good question be fascinating to see now as the Fourth Circuit opinion other things come up to him were you serious about that John maybe maybe it didn't envision this happening right but now let's look at your language and it seems to endorse frankly everything that Donald Trump has done in the past 90 days exactly if you feel good about that John um and are you gonna backtrack on that
That's the next question, at least in the courts.
Beyond that, again, your broader question is, again, beyond the consultative crisis, we are there right now.
What do you do?
Do you go into the streets like the South Koreans did, like the Israelis did?
And say no, we're not and it's happening beginning to happen in America.
Well, there is
there
is good news from the court Believe it or not the majority of the Supreme Court appeared inclined on Monday.
They had arguments on Monday to reject a conservative challenge to Obamacare
leaving in place the federal government's authority to require insurers to cover everything from depression screenings to HIV prevention drugs and colonoscopies, the whole thing.
There's a businessman I believe in Texas or someplace he doesn't want to pay for other people getting free screenings.
That's the most incredible.
I can't even believe this is even a case in front of the Supreme Court.
But apparently they're not buying it, that the government can actually require coverage of these free screenings that people should be able to get.
Right.
It is stunning once again that there are any Americans who say, I don't want other people to have health care.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
And that's where this comes from.
You're absolutely right.
The issue is a little bit wonkier than that, believe it or not, but it's okay because if they get to the right result, these are these task forces that basically review what kinds
of health
care insurance companies have to provide.
And they're basically seeming to support them has to do with their appointment and the president's power.
Interestingly, in this case, good news, as you said, the Obama, I'm sorry, the Trump administration.
in court supporting Obamacare yesterday.
Jim, can you stick around for a couple of more minutes?
Hell froze over.
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We're back with attorney Jim Santel.
Got a couple of more minutes here.
John,
you had something to bring up.
Yeah, I'd like to get something that affects almost every other state in this country.
We're trying to get a handle on the gun problem and shootings.
And states are putting
Restrictions in, age restrictions in for people who want to have guns.
And the Supreme Court came out and said that Minnesota's law is no longer in force because it banned anyone under the age of 21 from carrying a handgun in public.
And the Supreme Court says no way, you can't do it.
that's restricting the rights of those people who are 18, 19, and 20 years old from carrying a firearm.
It's like eight steps back now.
Right?
It is eight steps back just this week, and they continue to do this.
They've got this history, which we've talked about.
This again comes out of this case that Clarence Thomas authored a couple of terms back called Bruin.
Remember this one, which they said,
The only basis upon which you can support gun restrictions in America 2024, 2025 is if you can find, remember this in history and tradition.
So maybe if we go back two or 300 years and try to figure out if indeed automatic weapons would have been banned back then.
And it's a ridiculous notion, right?
It's looking to the past and figuring out there's some antecedent, some predicate for doing it.
This is more of that.
You got it just right on.
On Monday, even on Tuesday, they do something not so bad here.
On Monday, they also reject this appeal.
You've got Minnesota that basically the state is appealing a lower court ruling that itself banned 18 to 20 year olds from applying for permits.
And again, it's another blow.
They didn't issue a formal ruling in the case.
This again, a part of this very expedited process here.
But it sure sends a signal, as you just said, John, that we are still at this point when we are just completely committed to the notion that somehow the Second Amendment gives everybody, including young people, the capacity, the right, the constitutional right to carry firearms in America.
The Minnesota law was created in 2013.
Thirty states in the District of Columbia have similar measures
Um, a federal law requires people to be 21 if they buy a handgun from a licensed dealer, all kinds of things out there
that,
again, should be appropriate, right?
Yeah, exactly.
It's just ridiculous to pick 18, 19, and 20-year-olds.
I mean, we can go, you know, much younger if we want it, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17-year-olds.
Why not, right?
It's restricts their right to carry a firearm in public.
You know, there's nothing in the Constitution that says anything about this.
And if I remember correctly, who was the justice that passed away?
who basically said, even though it applies to everybody who can now have guns, that there can be laws, that we can still have restrictions in place.
We can still do this.
Absolutely.
And then Thomas does away with even that later in the lane.
Yep.
And it's great language.
Once again, we're signing a lot of reading to your listeners has to go back and look at what Antonin Scalia said, nothing.
about our ruling.
That was in a case called Heller, remember that one out of the District of Columbia.
It says there's nothing that should prevent us from passing rational, reasonable restrictions, conditions, limitations on this.
And he said nothing about this, establishing a personal right to gun ownership keeps you from doing this.
Boy, it certainly seems that with Bruin and these kinds of things, Supreme Court
is not honoring Justice Anton Scalia as he is no longer a part of our court.
And I wish he had done away with this reference to history, looking at history.
I think that they should never have gotten away with that.
Jim, before we wrap up, I want to move on to this case of Christine Noem, our Homeland Security Secretary, had her handbag stolen at a Capitol Burger joint, right?
Yes.
How in the world can this happen?
I mean, they have security, right?
They do.
I presume that, again, the secretaries on the cabinet level still have security.
I presume she was there.
If you happen to have, again, $3,000 is curious.
Nothing wrong with that, nonetheless.
But she's got her security access to the agency.
She's got her passport, other things, and some, presumably, as at her left or right hand there.
And
again, she's a victim of theft, arguably.
But again, what are you doing, Madam Secretary, that you've got this?
in the burger joint, that's
the kind
of,
or
something's got to be addressed here.
Christie's got to explain to us what is going on here.
And again, I will tell you, if I had done that kind of thing, even assistant US Attorney, lost credentials, lost access to those things, an investigation, certainly, certainly disciplined of some kind, maybe not termination, but it is a very serious matter.
And it's silly because it's in a burger joint and she
Presumably somebody else will let her into the office today because she no longer has her key card, but still it is a head scratcher in the midst of an administration that is in so many ways incompetent.
got another secretary who's asking his staff to produce hot cookies, right?
When does it
end?
When does it end?
Unbelievable.
Jim, thank you for being with
us.
We are having more and more here because too much of this is backing up on us.
We have more stories.
We'll have you back soon.
Thank you.
We'll look forward to that.
Jim Santel, you can check out Amicus, a law review Jim's show on Civic Media Radio Network Saturdays at 9 a.m.
That's going to do
But for us tomorrow, Mike McCabe, our sub-stack blogger and author will join us.
John, have a great day.
All right, I'll try.
Enjoy the rain.
After all of this, I'm not quite sure.
Stephanie Miller is next.
We'll talk to you in 22 hours, so
long.
