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We're truly

sorry.

It looks like it's gonna be a pretty nice day today at least I'm hoping so here on WM DX We have the WM DX weather window overlooking State Street capital city And the WM DX official Samsung watch of the show.

Yeah, we'll be checking in with that in a few moments.

Good morning and And I have plans today to spread grass seed all over my lawn

to see how that works.

It's going to be a $56 investment.

I know I'm just spreading $56 all over my lawn that'll blow.

It is going to be breezy again today.

Oh, I

don't know.

It's a good day to do that kind of thing.

I've got no choice.

It's going to start raining later, I suppose.

Later.

Yes,

that's

right.

Why don't you just rent a sod cutter and then take your neighbor's lawn?

Oh, I'd love that.

Nah, I don't need their dandelions.

The nice thing about sod is you don't get the dandelions and you have an instant really thick lawn.

Right, right.

Yeah.

Okay.

But I have too big a lawn for that.

Okay.

You could have one nice green patch and then the rest just kind of browned around it.

Well, you know, I did have a green patch when they took out a tree and the stump and replanted that area and it was just gorgeous.

And now that has since dwindled into nothing.

What kind of grass seed did you get?

Does

it you have to do anything else to treat it?

Do you just throw it on there and sprinkle some water on it?

It's got a little

soil

in

it.

It's

got

fertilizer in it.

Oh, and it's also the grass seed and and it's supposed to work wonders like magic.

It's like the the jack in the beans, you know,

jack in the beanstalk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, the beans before they became stocks.

Yeah.

Okay.

But, you know, you know what I'm getting at here, you know, I want to, I want a nice lot.

I know you don't know.

I have no idea where I'm going.

You're driving around the parking lot without a space to park.

That's it.

Um,

yeah.

That's John Peterson.

I'm Gordy young producer, Sam, all raring to go here on this Thursday.

And it is looking mainly clear out there.

And we're at 39 degrees currently, according to WMDX thermometer outside the WMDX window.

Is that, is it really what?

Yeah,

39.

Well, I suppose it puts a lot of pressure on the WMDX amps on the watch.

So currently 40 degrees.

Okay.

So we're, you know, in the ballpark.

Yes.

I know.

And then a high of 66 today.

Oh, really?

Okay.

Well, let's, uh,

Anybody keeping track of this?

I'm not.

Well, let's check the weather roulette wheel.

Let's just roll it around and see what happens

on

the afternoon high.

And around it goes.

And where it stops is right there on red 62.

Which red 62.

That's quite a difference from what your watch is saying.

Yes.

You don't have to compare

it later

on.

You think so?

I think we'll remember.

See how that

goes.

We're about three minutes away from sunrise just to let you know.

Really?

Yes.

OK.

And tonight sunset is at 742.

742.

Plan your grilling accordingly.

OK.

Well, it's going to be raining, it looks like.

It could cloud up and might have some showers by late in the day.

Well, I'm hoping for my grass seed.

All right, well, good enough.

What about the national day calendar, you say?

Well, we've got it right here.

Yeah, what about that?

Oh, my gosh.

Is it or is it not?

Don't bring me down with this.

Whatever you do, don't depress me.

OK.

Is it national get to know your customer's day?

How about National High Five Day?

National History Museum Day?

National Cheese Ball Day?

National Haiku Poetry Day?

Or National Ellis Island Family History Day?

Which one of those days?

It's

not

High

Five Day.

Well, you're wrong again today.

Oh, John.

Whatever

your name is.

I forgot your name for a second there.

Whatever my name

is.

Sam, do you have a guess?

It's not National High Five right now.

It's not History Museum Day.

You got it right for a change.

All right.

Yeah.

Get a shiny new dime.

Yes.

Add it to your account.

Okay.

Let's get to know your customer's day.

Hey, hey.

Okay, this is for retailers, I imagine.

Reminds businesses to reach out to patrons and get to know them better.

You know, the day is observed annually on the third Thursday of each quarter.

That's a wonderful tip for all the Tesla dealers out there and the salespeople on the floor.

Go out there and get to know your neighbors.

What businesses get to know when... Oh, okay.

Let me start.

When businesses get to know their customers, they also get to know more about what they need to grow.

Remember when Main Street businesses were locally owned and operated?

I remember those days.

Oh, yes, fond memories.

The

owners knew you by name.

They knew your shopping habits.

Additionally, they typically knew what you wanted to buy.

Not surprisingly, they were willing to get it in for you if they didn't have it.

Unfortunately, with the advent of the internet and big box stores, much of the personal attention has gone by the wayside.

Boy, if you can get any attention from anybody in a big box store, you know.

Why is that you can't find anybody to get help anymore when you're in a one of the big box?

That's not true at Costco.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

Well, except for Costco, they have plenty of people.

Yes, they do have quite a few people there and they're all friends.

Okay.

Is your friend still working there that greets you when you walk in the door?

She is in a different area.

Apparently she got tired of doing that.

So now she's in a different I never see her.

But I just want to say something about the old shop owners.

It used to be not so much that they knew what you were going to order, but it was more or less you had an account with them.

And you'd buy your stuff and they'd just add it to the account at the end of the month.

They'd give you the bill and you'd pay it off.

And that was the way it was done in the local areas in Milwaukee where we lived.

Oh,

those were

the days.

Yeah.

Well, it was kind of nice because as kids, we'd go to this market and we'd pick up all the hot dogs and all the meats.

We just went there and shopped,

put it on the

bill.

Put it on

the bill.

My parents.

God, their bill must have been outrageous.

I bet it was like having the Amazon bill come every month.

It's just outrageous.

What?

You bought what?

Yeah.

It's National High Five Day.

When was the last time you saw somebody give a high five?

I

hate people who give high

fives.

I walk away, I'm running.

But I'm thinking, what is wrong with you?

Do you really have to have some kind of skin contact?

No.

I forgot all about the high-five.

Actually, I was watching, you know, I was scanning through the channel doing high-speed scanning.

Oh, yes, I'm good at

that.

And they had everybody who loves Raymond on that flashback to when they were high school kids, you know, and they were wearing bad wigs and bad clothing.

And at

this party,

everybody's given each other high-fives.

And I

thought, yeah, I remember high-fives.

So it used to be a thing.

What are you talking about?

Like, this is when you instead of like a fist

bump, you don't even know what

a

high five

is.

No, people still high five each other.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Not

like in a day

context all the time.

But

this was

all the

time.

Maybe

maybe it's because I work with kids more.

Sam, there's something wrong with you.

There's something wrong with people at high five.

You know, stay away from them.

Steer

clear.

John, don't make me walk in there and give you

high five.

Exactly.

I never saw a need for slapping five or high fives.

Sam's

giving himself

a high five now.

I know, he

is.

Little creepy.

Okay, each

year on the

third Thursday in April, we observe National High Five Day.

This is a fun day where you can high five everyone you see.

Oh, let's just try to stop it.

Oh

no.

Let's get

arrested.

Okay, never mind, let's move on.

You're like an old television sitcom, you know, watching people in the office high-fiving

all day long.

It's National Cheese Ball Day.

When was the last time you had a nice cheese ball, get some crackers and break that thing open?

You get a cheese ball and you swipe the crackers into the cheese ball and scoop out something?

Yeah, that's...

basically the idea.

That doesn't make any sense

at all.

It's national Haiku poetry.

I know you're a big fan of Haiku

poetry.

What

is the five lines?

Yeah,

let's see.

Here we go.

Observed annually on April 17th, Haiku Poetry Day encourages all to try their hand at creativity.

The Haiku poetry is a form of Japanese poetry that is non-riming and usually consists of three lines with a syllable pattern of five, seven, five.

So they give an example here.

This is called Haiku the Other World by Richard Wright.

Oh, that's nice.

Oh, yeah.

It's a

classic.

White caps on the bay, a broken signboard hanging.

No, it's banging.

A broken signboard banging in the April wind.

You want me to repeat that?

White caps on the bay, a broken signboard banging in the April wind.

Yeah, that makes

a

lot of sense.

Okay, that's

poetry.

That's haiku poetry.

What?

Yeah, that's it.

That's it.

The old beatnik.

That's what you're doing.

Instead of applause, you

get your finger snaps.

And it's National Ellis

Island

Family History Day.

Why would that be today?

Well, we'll find out.

April 17th, National Ellis Island Family History encourages families to explore their ancestry and discover family who immigrated through Ellis Island.

Here we go through your family history, John.

No, get into genealogy.

No, no, what is the what was the site that everybody went to but now it's bankrupt?

I think that's 23 and me 23 and me.

Yeah, that's right.

Ancestry is still happening.

Now, you know, we never got to that story on the show, but it was it was a nightmarish news story where all of all all these histories all these millions and millions of people now all of their information is for sale genetic makeup

up is for sale.

Oh my God.

That's not good.

Hey, Mark, Mark texted and said, you put straw down over the seeded areas.

Well, I haven't done it yet, but no, this stuff avoids the whole putting straw down thing.

Really?

Yeah.

No, that would make sense.

You

said that now, now it's not going to work.

Yeah, I know, I know.

Do we have time to get to the history book there, Sam?

I don't know if we do right now.

We'll get to it soon.

If you don't know, how would we know?

OK, the answer's no,

Gordy.

OK, that's more definitive.

OK.

All right, coming up a little bit later on, we're going to be checking in with Cara Ogburn.

She's with the Milwaukee Film Fest.

She's the artistic director.

In fact, we'll have a couple of tickets to give away in our 7 o'clock hour.

And we'll check in with Judy Davidoff from the Isthmus about the latest issue.

That's out there.

18 minutes past the hour.

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WMDX, John and Gordy

in the morning.

It's 621.

It's 39 degrees, mostly clear, but some clouds are going to be moving in, maybe rain later on.

Yeah.

Highs in the 60s for today.

And it's going to be breezy.

So.

Breezy again.

And there goes the launch seat.

It's going to blow away.

I was worried about that.

Well, 20 to 30 mile per hour winds.

I don't know.

Is that

going to do it?

I don't

know, maybe.

Could blow it into your neighbor's lawn, and then they're

going to have a

nice lawn.

What do you got for history,

Sam?

Let's

open up

the

book.

No, let's go online.

Let's go to the

Kindle version.

Oh, boy.

Is that dial up

working?

Ah, there we go.

Got a good connection.

Good.

What do we got today?

Today in 19, I want to see if you remember any of this stuff.

Well, this all happened during your lifetimes.

Today in 1961, the Bay of Pigs invasion began.

Yeah, I vaguely remember that.

You would have been a little tyke still then.

That was eight

very tense times.

Eight or nine, yeah.

At the Peterson home.

Yes.

You

remember, you remember that?

Just as a little kid, yes.

Fiasco.

That it was.

I didn't learn about it in school, really.

I kind of had to find out about it on my own, which is a

little crazy.

That was a complaint my kids had, too.

They didn't learn a lot of history in history class in school.

And it bothered them.

Why do they call

it history class then?

They wanted to

know.

And then my son found out about the...

World War II in English class because it was a reading

assignment.

He didn't know about World War II.

They didn't teach World War II.

What?

Like he knew that it happened, but he didn't know anything

about it.

Well, yeah, they have kind of over you, I guess.

I don't know.

I don't know if he knew about World War II or not.

My point is, is that he learned about World War II, Germany.

Yeah.

and the death camps all in an English assignment.

That's

wild.

Yeah, a reading

assignment.

Both of your dads fought in World War II.

And John, you've got really young kids.

Did they ever get a chance to talk to your father about

that?

No, but my wife's brother did, even recorded it.

And then he never let me listen to it.

What?

Now he

meant to

yeah, he just keeps forgetting and I've been asked so but I'd love to hear it There's a recording.

Yeah, yeah should have a chance part of that silent generation Yeah, they didn't like to talk about it.

They didn't talk about anything at all.

Yeah They never complained about Medicare.

They should have I live

through World War two.

I probably wouldn't have wanted to talk about it either

Well, I don't know as my dad didn't see

any action I mean they weren't he wasn't in a

military

zone, but he was in Panama for most of the war

My

dad saw a brief action that was shot immediately.

He was shot?

Yes, yes.

Well,

he was all right, obviously.

Yes, yes, survived.

Just amazing.

You know, you get shot and you depend on other people to say, well, I'm going to try to save this guy.

You know, it's kind of a weird.

Where did he open the earth?

Where was he when he got shot?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know anything about his experience there.

Again, my wife's brother knows more about this than I do.

Maybe you ought to contact him and get the tape.

He responded and everything worked out, but wow.

Was it a serious wound?

Where did

he get hit?

It

was.

Yeah.

Through the back and took out a lung.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well,

all right, I know it's a very up story When you guys

were young did either you want to be astronauts?

Oh, yeah, I know didn't

that Gordy did that change after Apollo 13 happened?

It might have yes, I mean you were

already a little older at that point

Yeah, yeah,

but today at 1970 Apollo 13 safely returned home.

Oh, it's touch and go there for a few days.

Yeah, very yeah

That's

a situation the movie with Tom Hanks, right?

Yeah, I've seen the movie quite a few times.

Oh, it's good Yeah, and anything

you're gonna say if you're

gonna like say

something 2011 you guys ever watch Game of Thrones.

No Sort of toward the end toward the end.

Yeah, I have not seen any of it I know that a lot of people are diehard fans so 2011 Game of Thrones

hit the screen for the first time.

2011, wow.

It went on for quite a while.

It did go on.

You know, the thing that bothers me about Game of Thrones is it lasted many, many seasons, right?

Right.

So you just don't want to jump in because you're not going to be familiar with a lot of the characters.

So I thought, well, jeez.

It

had like a horrible ending to, or like a very, very.

Like not satisfying ending.

Yeah, I heard that too.

So there's

no point even watching the show

as far

as I'm

concerned.

I don't know.

A lot of people seemed to like it, so I wanted to check it out.

Right.

But I didn't want to just jump right into the show.

So I wanted to see season one.

And they made an amazing decision.

They didn't really season one or allow you to see it without paying for it in some way, shape, or form.

And I'm thinking, well, does that help?

Maybe

they

should have just shown season one and then hook people onto season one so they'd watch the

rest of the damn

series, the dumbasses.

God, just makes me angry thinking about it to this day.

What a fan.

I'm sorry.

And I'm almost you know, I'm almost at wit's end.

I wake up every morning and I get the news and I'm thinking we're all doomed Absolutely

That was crying away you came into the studio this morning.

Yeah, I apologize for bringing everybody down like the whole

world's going to hell in a

headbasket

First words John said to me when he came in this morning, you know, I just don't know what I'm gonna do with this program anymore

I have so many stories.

I have no time to actually give you these stories because they're really super important.

They're gonna make a difference.

Everything turns on these stories.

And we don't have time to fill you in.

And

a lot of them.

And a lot of it's really bad news

for everybody.

It's not good news.

No, it's not.

And the thing is, there's no hope.

I don't want to bring everybody down.

There doesn't seem to be much

hope.

There's always hope.

There's always hope.

Okay.

But there is.

You told me the story about the Republican you watched.

Trey Gowdy.

Trey Gowdy.

Even Trey Gowdy's turned against Trump.

Trey against Trump.

That's

hope.

There's some

hope right there.

Okay.

We will be back with idiocracy.

Oh, no, we have Dr. Tim Slecker.

Yes,

right busted pencils talking about that Harvard story boy

boy

and a whole lot more coming up on John and Gordy in the morning on

WMDX

It's morning, time to wake up, get some coffee and call your parole officer.

It's John and Gordy in the morning on 92.7 WMDX.

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to change that, we'll have to call the Homeland Security office.

Send us out of the country, boy.

634, it's 40 degrees, highs in the 60s today.

Look for some rain showers developing late in the day and this evening.

It's John and Gordy along with producer

Sam.

And it is time once again for Busted Pencils.

Tim Sliker is with us this morning talking education with an educator.

All right.

So, you know, there's so much to talk about, isn't there, Tim?

A little, you know, I mean, every so often.

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You want to tackle Harvard

first or what do you want to go

with?

Either that or the use of condiments.

Yes, the important use of condiments.

Why don't we get to the cut from Linda Mann, the Department of Ed Leader, who wants to phase out her own job.

You can't make this stuff up.

All right.

Well, anyway, this was her commentary in a little press conference.

Let's listen to this thing.

I think it was a letter or report that I heard this morning.

I wish I could remember the source, but that there is a school system that's going to start making sure that first graders or even pre-Ks have a one teaching, you know, every year starting, you know, that far down in the grades.

And that's just a.

That's a wonderful thing.

Kids are sponges.

They just absorb everything.

And so it wasn't all that long ago that we're going to have internet in our schools.

Now, OK, let's see A1 and how can that be helpful?

How can it be helpful in one-on-one instruction?

How can it be helpful in absorbing more information for those fast learners?

It can be more one-on-one directed.

And those are the kinds of things and innovations that I want to see continue to develop.

That's nice.

Here's a here's a comment from that post that I read.

McMahon keeps referring to A1 as or AI rather is A1 and talking about how it will help students at all levels.

But how can we get those students to drink it?

Linda added he they wrote the smarter kids can move up to

Thousand Island dressing Bring that into the class and then I have this web wisdom from somebody who also Observes something that I wasn't aware of during this conversation during this interview.

Let's listen to this is cut 179 and This person has an observation.

I think is important to add to this.

Let's listen

Trump's education secretary Linda McMahon just said she wants to incorporate a one steak sauce into our schools She seems to have gotten confused because she was on a panel about AI technology with a bunch of AI company CEOs who were trying to figure out how they can get the Trump administration to invest in their products The funniest part to me is that all these CEOs are trying to curry favor with the administration So no one corrected her and they just left it out there a one steak sauce in the school

Not to mention the fact that we have much bigger problems to solve in the U.S.

education system than figuring out how to integrate AI.

It would be a lot funnier if these people weren't running our government, and the price for their ignorance wasn't being paid by our kids and their

future.

It could have been worse to sanitize.

That's true.

No one can say that cleanly.

Wow.

Yeah, that's

crazy.

I don't know.

I mean, you know, it's really funny.

I mean, it's almost like, wow, what comics wrote this script?

But to think about it, you could tell, though, that what she was speaking was something that was already prepared, remarks for her, because if she would have said AI, the following kind of qualifiers that she used about one-on-one instruction, innovation, and things like that, those were...

very nice, well intended, and in fact, accurate statements.

And so what kind of points out that the reality is is that

she didn't really know that that was AI you

know

she really thought about A1 and so you'd sit there and go you know it was just a faux pas I don't know if it was a faux pas as much as it was somebody who really didn't understand that they were talking about how AI would be useful in schools and she jumped right into A1 so um

Having

talked to people from the AI industry prior to that is just unbelievable, unthinkable at a certain point.

But yes, what she did talk about was accurate, which even surprised me.

But

see, it's not surprising, right?

Because these are comments that were not...

those weren't hers.

They

were prepared for

her.

Which again, points out that here, what are the qualifications of this person to be in charge of the nation's education?

We start to go, okay, well, how did she get this job?

And everybody knows exactly how she got this job.

But A1, you know, oh my goodness.

I mean, all the jokes, yeah, how do we get A1?

Well, and then I read somebody else who was like, hey, you know what, maybe this is good news for the school lunch program because maybe we'll start serving

steak.

You

know.

At least

add some

flavor to the school lunch.

Enough of the fish sticks and tater tots.

We're going right to the

top.

You know, well, and like we said, and so, you know, we talked about this on busted pencils and, you know, there's a A1 sauce and, you know, back to the Nancy Reagan's use of ketchup,

Heinz ketchup

as a vegetable for school lunches, you know, because

You know, she made that comment with the sincerity of going, well, what do you mean?

Kids don't get their vegetables.

They have ketchup.

Yeah.

It's like, wait a minute.

What planet are

we

on?

What are we talking about?

I mean, especially, imagine, ketchup.

ketchup.

Have you read the ingredients of ketchup?

It's like, you know, red dye number 10 and sugar.

Yeah.

Um, I, I'm, I'm sorry.

No, no, that's good to expound.

I, uh, I, I was watching, uh, that discussion, that panel discussion that she was on and the two people she was talking to were advocates of private

privatization of schools.

And then she went on to explain a few things about how important it is to have a variety of different kinds of schools to go to, public and private and religious schools and how important it is just to have that option out there.

And then she went in to the idea that there'll be hybrids of learning and that is that some people will go to public school in the morning and then in the afternoon go to a private school and have private classes.

classes there.

It's just a little bit of convolution.

It's an education buffet.

Not quite, you can't quite land on a solution.

So let's just go with

it all, you know.

We're talking to Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, a podcast you can listen to on Civic Media here on the Civic Media app.

You can join the conversation, 608-879-8255.

Let's move on to the Harvard issue.

Yeah.

So Harvard is.

Wait, Harvard is about to invest in A1.

Well,

who knows what they're

going to do.

Maybe they'll choose that instead.

Maybe that'll make the administration happy.

We were watching a little bit of coverage on CNN this morning on our monitor here in the studio, and they were talking about the fact that now Trump is threatening to prevent international students from attending Harvard as well.

That's the latest.

Yeah, that's the latest.

I mean, where do you...

Where do you start with this one?

You know, higher education and I think this is one of the ways to look at this is somebody saying, well, you know, they deserve it.

They're an elite woke institution.

They're a private university, right?

Making decisions about how they

admit students, whether or not they're going to have programs that talk about diversity, equity and inclusion and things like that.

The idea here, let's just forget about this being Harvard and talk about it being a private business and ask the question, would you or would we stand for government intrusion?

like this into a private business.

And I ask that question to, you know, conservatives, my neighbors, who I think, you know, if you broke this down into that simplicity of a kind of an equation, I think a lot of them would have real doubts about this being a policy that they feel comfortable with.

I mean, taking the seriousness to say, it's just like, wait a minute, what are we doing here?

What are the implications, the government making denial of students?

And I keep coming back to this one as being really, to me, the most concerning is that they continue to hear about wanting to actually control.

what is taught what is taught and Okay, so Harvard is the most elite Institution with some of the best researchers produced the you know what the the most presidents of the United States And we're gonna we're questioning whether or not they're teaching the appropriate content All of a sudden now wait

a

minute

Harvard, can you believe what they're teaching at Harvard?

We've got to control that because I mean people, it's an elite institution.

I'm glad to see them really fighting back and hopefully providing some type of an example as a resistance.

But I also do worry about the higher education in general.

for the places that aren't Harvard, that don't have the resources and the clout to actually put up a resistance the way they are.

And again, the implications of changing and actually requiring different curricula or how things are taught and what is taught, how many institutions of higher education

already have made those decisions to, you know, obey in advance and to avoid

The type of scrutiny that that their resources just would not give them the ability to deal with and that's you know That is is where you start thinking about all of those small state institutions small private institutions community colleges who are out there doing the work of educating the workforce Who who are saying you know what we?

just don't have the ability to put up a resistance to this we're going to comply because actually we have a lot of real important work to do and we just don't have the time bandwidth and resources to put up a resistance to this and how much of this really is the intention then of this administration to realize that you're going to get 80 to 90 compliance below the harbors

just by simply creating this type of news.

That's right.

Well, there are a big protest going on all across the country including right here in Madison at noon today in the library mall.

There's gonna be a protest and What the point of the protest is to urge the UW Madison to join the Big Ten mutual defense compact and commit to share resources and strategic support among all the 18 of the Big Ten universities

in

defense of academic freedom

institutional integrity and the research enterprise and and it's I think all all because of Harvard finally resisting what is going on with the unit with the administration And

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Yeah, I find out about these protests, these organized protests around the country to join in and defend as a group against what Trump is trying to do to the universities, calling curriculum, having somebody oversee who they hire, all of that.

It's insane, it's crazy.

And because of that, I saw it on TV last night, it was on Rachel Maddow,

and she showed a picture of the isthmus, and I guess it might even be in today's isthmus, that the headline about

this organized protest at noon on the library mall.

So I don't know how they got the message or news out to them.

I looked on their side, I didn't see an announcement for this story.

But yeah, it's kind of interesting.

It's hitting it.

And the problem is university, our university is still not on board with this.

And Tim, I think the problem here in these local smaller colleges is that

the colleges are funded by the legislatures.

And if it's a conservative legislature, they're going to penalize and punish those universities if they join in on something like this.

They'll call it woke and, you know, indoctrination and they'll start cutting funding as they always do.

Right.

Yeah.

And, you know, that's why I said that that's the concern of joining into a movement and.

resistance movement and that's why now coming back it's it's good to see the Harvard's stepping up because they have the resources they have the credibility they have that that kind of you know long type of relationship also with their alumni very powerful alumni in the country who are

I think probably sitting there going like, wait a minute, what purpose does it serve to break down one of the most reputable institutions in the world?

What's the game going to be at the end of the day by destroying an institution that, as they say,

You know, if you get in and graduate from Harvard, the rest of your life, because of the connections to the alumni right there, it's frightening.

I worry about it.

But, you know, at the same time, too, we were talking during the break, there is also, there's a petition and a letter out right now nationally that has, last I checked, this was maybe three days ago, so I'm going to bet there are more, but 60 university past and present

presidents have signed on to this petition to, you know, kind of push back on the Trump administration to say, you know, this, this is not something that is cool and in kosher.

And, you know, I don't know.

It made me think, though, too, that.

You know, maybe if we just all ordered a one, you know, things would be better.

You

know,

maybe

maybe Harvard's tactic would be to say, you know what, how about this?

How about in all dining facilities in Harvard, we're going to use a one from now on, you

know, they can go along with Linda McMahon on this one.

I think, you know,

that's that.

And then and then I was thinking, you know, hey, let's go.

So even further, maybe Grey Poupon.

Well that sounds a little liberal.

Sounds woke.

Now we had a few comments by the way, some text here from a Doug Rock musician and singer Meatloaf appeared on a TV commercial for the product and promoted his slogan, A1 Makes Beef Sing.

But, you know, meatloaf, why not, right?

And here's another one, John in Middleton.

Some folks learned to read by perusing cereal boxes and steak sauce bottles.

I learned by reading ketchup bottles.

And I'm still confused.

Thank you for that comment, John.

A1 steak sauce.

It's got electrolytes.

It's what plants crave in the afternoon.

So that's from Matt out in Middleton.

Oh, it's it's fun stuff.

You know, I mean, we could I do want to play this one comment from Harvard University Professor Andrew Crespo.

This is cut 153.

Let's listen.

Given Harvard is the first school that we've seen respond this way, how does that impact your lawsuit and what does that mean for this going forward?

Well, I think the Trump administration's decision to cut $2.2 billion from Harvard tonight makes clear just how essential this lawsuit is and how critical this fight is and why it's so important for Harvard and really every university in the country to take a stand at this critical moment because this is a clear

unquestionable violation of First Amendment rights.

You mentioned some of the demands that the administration has made of Harvard.

It includes things like trying to appoint a federally named oversight official to do an audit of every course, every department at Harvard to see if we have

ideological balance to meet the Trump administration's test for what we teach and what we say at these universities.

It's a transparent effort to change what is taught, what we say in our classrooms, what we teach our students, to make sure that the only things that are actually set on university campuses are things that the Trump administration wants to hear.

Again, this is all part of what dictators do to take over, and that is to get rid of or at least change the universities, along with the media as well.

That's what they're doing, threatening the

media.

That's where it's at.

All right, we're

just about out of

time, Tim.

We want to leave you in that high notes there about that.