0:00 - Earl has on Max Richman from the Center to Preserve Social Security and Medicare to discuss the importance of a social safety net and how his organization functions.

13:00 - Earl talks with Sandy about why leaders and community action are necessary for solving our current political divide.

20:50 - Earl and Sandy debate with callers on the need for community and explain how Medicare would function through premiums.

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