Civic Media Spotlight (Hour 2)

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Civic Media Spotlight (Hour 2)

Civic Media Spotlight · Sat Apr 11, 2026

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Hello and welcome to the second hour of the Civic Media Spotlight.

We begin with Rational Revolution with Mark Becker.

Mark speaks with Golf Cabba Service, Vice President at the Miscanon Center.

He's an expert on the Middle East and gives us an update on the relevant war.

What's going on, everybody?

You're in the right place.

Yes, this is the rational revolution.

I'm so glad that you're here every week here on Civic Media Radio Network.

You've got me, Mark Becker, and you've got a returning guest who pivoted better than LeBron James did to come and hang out with us today.

I asked him late yesterday, hey, can you, do you know anyone?

Would you be able to, because man, we got to, we got to sort out what's going in Iran.

And there's nobody better to do it than your friend and my Jeff Cabba Service problem in this Canon Center.

What's up, buddy?

Welcome back.

Hey, good to be with you again.

Yeah, I'm so glad that you're here.

Your travels have looked amazing, by the way.

You know, dude's been everywhere in the world.

And yeah, but Iran, what is what is happening there?

That's a darn good question.

I mean, on the one hand, we are talking in a moment when things are unsettled.

There's been this two-week truce declared.

It's not quite clear if all sides are adhering to the truce as yet.

There's been a 10-point plan put forward by Iran, a 15-point plan put forward by us.

It's unclear if serious negotiation is going on.

regarding these points or what will result at the end of it all.

And we're also just not being told a lot about what goes on and there isn't good reporting on the scene for perhaps obvious reasons.

Nonetheless, it's looking a lot like the whole conflict has been a case of operational excellence on the part of our military and strategic incoherence on the part of the administration.

And I suspect the peace will pretty closely resemble the war in that regard.

Like, how did we get to this point?

Well, you know, you could go all the way back to the 1953 CIA coup that overthrew the Iranian leader Mossadeh.

But I think, you know, more generally, we got here because Donald Trump got re-elected to a second term.

And he said that he was not going to be constrained by the old Republican establishment.

And indeed, he has only had around him yes men and sink-of-its.

And I suspect, without any actual demonstrated documentary evidence of this, that when it was time to think about what the United States should do vis-a-vis Iran, that his enablers, like Pete Hegseth, said to him things like, Mr. President, you've shown that you don't need to listen to experts.

military people who wargamed out the whole Straits of Hormuz situation 10,000 times.

You don't need to listen to the statesmen who talk about prudence.

You've just shown that you can just do things.

If you want to go in and take Iran, then you can take it and the hell with expert advice.

And that's largely why we're here.

And, you know, like I look at it, yes, I mean, the military is

Brilliant and overwhelming and you know with incredible precision So like that's awesome But but seeing the the rollout and this looks like a ready-shoot aim type thing It doesn't look like there's a lot of thought into what happened

Well, I think you know again, there were assumptions that proved to be incorrect that were baked into this whole adventure

The assumption number one was that the regime would collapse.

Well, that didn't happen.

Or that the Iranian people would rise up against what they correctly regard as an evil and oppressive regime.

That also didn't happen.

I think the assumption was that if you decapitated Iran's top leadership, then what remained would be incoherent.

Maybe they too would run for the exits.

Maybe they would be more moderate than their predecessors.

That hasn't happened.

Trump assumed that Iran would not strike out at the neighboring Gulf countries.

That hasn't happened.

And I think Hegseth and Trump.

All right.

Sorry, we lost

you.

We're back.

You were talking about how we thought that Iran was going to leave the Straits of Hormuz open.

They would be open.

And then we had a glitch and we are back.

So continue that thought.

Sorry about that.

Yeah.

Sorry.

I think it's probably on my end.

You know, I think the idea of putting military troops in the numbers needed to take over the country was never on the table.

And so Trump gambled and he lost, basically.

And now Iran is, you know, in some ways degraded militarily.

Some of their he's been taken out.

But nonetheless, you know, they have now actually, in some ways, more leverage than before, given that they have decided that they are not going to allow the Strait of Hormuz to be international waters, they're going to control it, they're going to charge people to go through it, and they're going to not allow unfriendly powers to go through it.

In some ways, they actually emerge from this in a stronger position than they did before the war.

Right.

And so, I mean, if you'd like, because we have time, and there's a history lesson for

from someone like yourself that knows the history.

Do you mind like how, you know, an abridged version of when all of this started and now there's the, you know, the, you know, 57, you know, like, oh, there's so much, but leading us to where we are today.

I

mean, the really, the really potted history is that Iran has always been a distinct, proud, distinguished civilization.

Iran are Persians, they are not Arabs.

The Shia religion is not quite the same thing as the Sunni version of Islam that's practiced in most of the surrounding countries.

There's been a distinctive element to that.

The United States has meddled in Iran as we did in 1953 when it seemed like they were moving in the direction of socialism and anti-colonialism too much for the liking of some of the people around Dwight Eisenhower.

And we also overly invested in propping up the Shah of Iran, despite what was evidently an unpopular and repressive regime.

Of course, there was the whole history of our hostage crisis in Iran and the Ayatollah Khomeini and the bad relations that we got are from the start.

No U.S.

administration since then has really found the right footing vis-a-vis Iran.

We have alternately threatened and appeased them and never found the right balance.

Iran, for its part, has maintained a pretty consistent view of death to America and death to Israel.

They have never softened in their view of the United States.

And there has never really been what would properly be regarded as a moderate administration or regime in power there.

And it's a tragedy because, again, the Iranian people are among the proudest and most talented cultures and civilizations on Earth.

They deserve better.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, I mean, to all of that, we're talking with Jeff Kappas-Sheriff from the NIST Candidate Center.

The NIST Candidate Center is a think tank in Washington, D.C.

that advocates for market-oriented principles with environmentalism, integration, reform, civil liberties.

And they're just brilliant when it comes to history, just like our guy here.

So we're talking about the history about it.

You said that Iran is in a arguably a stronger position than they were when this whole thing started.

Talk about that.

So Iran has largely unfriendly relations with its neighbors, but it's also one of the major powers in that area.

It is also utterly ruthless.

It fought a long war with Iraq under Saddam Hussein in which they proved completely willing to put child soldiers forward to clear

your land mines and the like.

They are situated in a way that gives them a controlling position over the Strait of Hormuz, which is one of the choke points of the world's global economy.

Not much of the oil that goes to the United States goes through the Gulf of the Strait of Hormuz, but a lot of what goes to Asia and Europe does go through that critical

choke point.

And so does a lot of the world's fertilizers.

So the United States, without consulting any of its allies before it decided to undertake this adventure in Iran, has caused enormous economic difficulties for them, but also put in question its own legitimacy as the guarantor of the post-World War II global trading order.

Because now it's been shown that a country like Iran can, if it so chooses, disregard the principle that the Strait of Hormuz is international waters.

It can effectively blockade that narrow passageway, and it can possibly charge tolls for powers to go through this, using this as a trade conduit.

And that could mean that it actually could gain hundreds of billions of dollars over the next several years to build up this military that we have allegedly obliterated.

What was the United States trying to accomplish with this?

I mean, every administration really, since Carter's, has wished to see the end of the radical Shia regime in Iran.

This is arguably one of the world's worst and most evil regimes.

The world would be better off without it.

And it has been the leading exporter of terrorism and has brought misery to many parts of the world.

However, again,

Hundreds, if not thousands, of military war games have gone into this and have concluded that it is too difficult militarily to take the Strait of Hormuz, particularly in an era of, you know, one-way suicide drone warfare.

The military has been very resistant to the idea that it would actually put the number of boots on the ground needed to maintain control of either Karg Island, which is the central area of oil production,

for Iran or the Strait of Hormuz.

We were talking about half a million men.

Who would be sitting ducks?

It would be a turkey shoot, frankly, because we are not able to defend against this kind of drone warfare.

Ukraine is actually much more advanced than we are in being able to counter that kind of new battlefield technology.

So since an occupation, that's really a possibility.

It has got it crazy.

Yeah,

I mean,

also crazy, also crazy when you think about it is that we have probably exhausted several years worth of critical battlefield weaponry in terms of missiles and Tomahawks and the rest of this, which also at the same time makes us less credible when it comes to standing up to whatever China might want to do with regard to Taiwan.

So, we're seeing a real situation where the United States is actually being exposed because of its bad governance and Donald Trump's chaotic penchant for decision-making, also his habit of treating allies as enemies and enemies as friends.

So, it's really not a good moment in our history, frankly.

No.

And, you know, it's interesting, too, because you hear...

Defense Secretary Hegseth talked about how, oh, we have so many more missiles and we're good for, we can fight this forever.

And it's very clearly, we can't.

You know, the optimistic way to look at this is that in what follows the Trump administration, the United States is going to think seriously about how to rebuild its defense industrial capabilities.

And it will also take more seriously the loss of trust that our allies have had in us.

It'll try to turn that around.

The problem is that there's an old diplomatic saying, which is that trust is earned in drops and lost in buckets.

And we've lost a lot over the last several months of this Trump administration, beginning with his threat to take over Canada and make it our 51st state, his threat to invade a NATO ally in Denmark and take Greenland from them.

This is not the kind of behavior that the United States has ever engaged in since the end of World War II when we assumed in effect leadership of the global order.

We are now the leading disruptor of that order rather than its maintainer and protector.

I do really want to get into that in the third segment here because what we have disrupted is over 80 years of

Allies and friendships and trade norms and it just Yeah, the damage that's been done over just the last couple of months has been staggering We got Jeff Cabba service here VP from the Niskanen Center in Washington DC We're gonna keep talking about this right after this on the rational revolution right here on the civic media radio network stick

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Little Foo Fighters here for you guys.

Mark Ragger here in the Raston Revolution.

We're sitting down with a returning friend, Jeff Cabba Service from the Miss Cannon Center.

And we're talking about Iran.

And what, you know, we're talking about what they're trying to accomplish and all that.

What are everyday Iranians experiencing right now?

It's awfully hard to say.

I have not been to Iran myself.

It is not one of the countries that I've been to.

I've known a number of people who are part of the Persian diaspora.

There's actually a part of Los Angeles called Tehrangelis.

Yes.

Yes.

So populated with people who once upon a time came from that part of the world.

It's a huge country.

Do you realize that?

There's a big 90

million people?

It's five times the size of Iraq and look at the difficulties we had the last time we thought about.

trying to turn that country into something more friendly towards us.

So, you know, I think there's been very little appreciation on the part of this administration for the practical difficulties involved in...

What kind of a military operation against this?

Like I said at the outset, you know, I have the greatest respect for our military and our troops I rejoice that we have mostly managed to keep them out of harm's way That we managed to recover both of those pilots from yeah 16 that that Iran managed to shoot down It's it's been a wonderful performance and frankly in some ways heartening to see that

Iran's Russia and China supplied air defenses have actually proved largely ineffective.

Yeah, against our military.

But again, the fact that the United States has the world's most powerful military does not mean that we are all powerful.

And even at a time in the wake of World War Two, when we were, you know, unarguably the world's greatest military power by a long shot because so much of the world was just prostrate after the destruction of World War Two.

Even then, at a moment of relatively greater power, we understood that we needed allies, that we simply were incapable of maintaining the kind of global order we wanted to see without assistance and cooperation with our friends.

And that memory has been mixed with the loss, I think, of the generation that actually remembered World War II.

And we're now seeing what happens when you forget the lessons of history.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild and I think you know this week President Trump put out I think probably one of the most incendiary statements that an American president has ever done threatening to kill an entire civilization of people Just does this Could this spiral into something much more

dangerous, a regional conflict with other people that are involved.

I mean, it's all thinking because potentially it's going to be meeting in Pakistan for peace talks, but then we're also lobbing missiles at each other.

Oh my God.

I

think it's worth remembering here that there could have been much worse outcomes than what we've seen so far.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not just in terms of loss of our troops, but in terms of a regional conflagration that so far has not broken out on the scale that it could have.

But, you know, Donald Trump's statement condemned by the Pope, among others, you know, really did suggest the possibility of nuclear war.

And this, again, this kind of global saber-rattling in pursuit of an absolutely incoherent plan

alarms the rest of the world and makes us seem unfit for global leadership and it also makes China seem by comparison the moderate and stable

global power.

And you're starting to see, you know, real world effects of this in that China is being credited for brokering this peace along with Pakistan and increasing numbers of citizens in countries that historically have been among our greatest allies are now saying that they trust China more than they trust us.

And this is really something I did not expect to see in my lifetime.

No, me neither.

And there was, you know, I forget who

At what interview I saw of a podcast that an ex ambassador was talking about how since COVID, China has really opened up to the entire rest of the world to both try to bolster its leadership standing on the world stage, but then also kind of rebrand itself as the new up and coming for tech and for innovation and for all the, for where businesses should be.

And yeah, if they're,

Taking credit for brokering whatever peace deal that is here.

That's dangerous stuff really

Yeah, well, we're certainly giving them the ammunition they need to make their case And you know, I think that we are in something very much resembling a cold war with China Hopefully, yeah never becomes a shooting war But you know, the fact is that they believe that they are on a path to global predominance because they plan to master the fourth

coming suite of technologies around artificial intelligence.

And they think this will give them the kind of dominant position that was enjoyed by Great Britain around the Industrial Revolution and those technologies that Britain was the first to gain mastery over.

So yeah, it's a possible inflection point in world history.

And I do not believe that a world dominated by the Chinese would be a better world than one in which we are the dominant power.

Oh my god, no, I don't think that would be at all.

But that would, no, yeah.

And to think that would happen in our lifetimes is beyond the pale, man.

Like, I don't know.

It's that's something you think of back in learning history class and high school and all this, like to think of the United States as not the global leader in power and the president is not the leader of the free world.

That's something that I

It's not good.

It's not good at all.

Not good.

Not good.

I mean, you know, to some extent we're spinning out of bad case scenarios here, maybe not worst case scenarios.

Yeah.

And it's possible that this country can recover from the damage that's been done in this last year of Donald Trump.

But, you know, we've still got to get two and a half years of, through two and a half years of Trump.

And who knows what's going to happen over the course of this time.

Right, and we're going to talk about that in our next segment with Jeff Cabba Service here from the Discanon Center.

We're going to talk about how do we regain our position on the world stage, and what has to happen in order for us to get there, and is this the worst case scenario, which is glad to say that it's not.

We'll finish that discussion here with Jeff Cabba Service coming up next here on the Rational Revolution on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Next on the Civic Media Spotlight, we have Native Roots Radio with Robert Pilot.

Joining Robert Pilot on Native Roots is Wendy Pilot.

She gives us recent updates on the visiting artist, Friger Sundown, from Anita Nation.

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I'm awake and I'm your host Robert pilot Hey, we discussed local national native news and events and as you know native issues are human issues and human issues are native issues Hey tonight, we got a powerful show lined up Wendy's gonna give us a quick update on what's happening with this this coming up a week and

really give a shout out.

And then we also have our friend visiting artist Frazier Sundown of the United Nation, and we're going to be talking about hands-on session of traditional.

Corn husk twining and then plus we're going to be talking to Red Lake Nation College and a lot going on there and we're going to be Spotlighting them.

What while Wendy that start off with you again a big peony giggy Thank you so much for coming on and there's a lot going on with the sacred animal portion of our show right now when

yeah, there is so yesterday everyone I was updating you about going to red Glen farms in blue mounds, Wisconsin where they house

over 2,000 beagles and they use the beagles for breeding and for experimentation.

The place is set to close on July 1st due to over 300 violations.

Many of the violations are for animal cruelty.

Last month, there were a group of people who went and broke in and got some dogs out.

They got 30 dogs out, eight of them were confiscated from the police, the sheriff's department there.

We're going back on April 19th.

This is a nonviolent open rescue.

We want everyone to know about it.

We want the governor

of Wisconsin, Tony Evers to know about this.

We want the sheriff to know about this.

We want the city council to know about this, and we want all the residents of Wisconsin to know about this and be aware of this.

And we will be going back on April 19th.

There's over 1700 people signed up to go to this facility.

Again, nonviolent.

We want to get the rest of the dogs out.

And yesterday,

I put in for an ask because it's cost money.

You know, many of us are lodging there, food, gas, travel.

Plus we need stuff for the dogs, right?

We need potty pads and we need blankets and beds.

We need slip leads.

We need blankets, harnesses, leashes.

We also need treats and toys too.

So we need a lot of supplies to do this.

And I put an ask out yesterday and asked for donations to help.

And I just want to thank the people tonight so much.

Who did this?

I'm just going to say their first and last initial.

First of all, Maureen H.

You know who you are.

We know you for a long time Yeah, everyone was so generous.

I really just want to thank everybody so Maureen H Jada F Susan P Claire W and Genie Oh There's other people who wrote me messages saying that they're gonna send me checks and I really really appreciate that Teresa N

and Paul S. So I want to thank all of you for, you know, your donations.

This money is going to go far and no penny of it will go waste, you know, go wasted.

Even if I get all the money I need for what I'm doing, I will donate the money to others.

They mean there's 1,700 of us.

A lot of people are flying in.

My roommate, who I don't even know yet,

Who is going to stay at the hotel is flying in from Hawaii and She's doing this with

with us.

So there's people coming from South Carolina, California out Arizona I mean people are coming from all over the United States to come and help with this rescue And we're just so excited

And we just want these dogs to go to good homes.

So you could go on savethedog.io.

The website will come up.

You could volunteer to help be there in Wisconsin with us.

Or if you can't, you could donate there as well.

You could also

Sign up for an adoption if you want to adopt one of these dogs or foster one of these dogs you can fill out an application so we're really You know, we're nervous about this, but we're also excited.

I think most of us I know for me I just kind of keep the dog at the forefront And I just think about that dog and I want to take that dog out of the horrible

environment where this dog is literally being tortured every day.

Take it out and put it in a good home.

You know, let it sleep in a nice warm bed and have a blanket and a toy and be somebody's companion animal.

That's where, you know, what I feel is where it should

Big.

Well, Wendy, you know, I just want to say a big peeney-geegee.

Thank you always for talking about our relatives.

Yeah.

You know, our sacred animals every, you know, when you come on.

Yeah.

And this is really important,

you know,

and in the native community, dogs are sacred.

Yes.

We have a

lot of chiefs

and crow dog and people that are named

after them.

You see the old, old pictures of people in front of their teepee or chipotle or wigwam and there's a big old dog there.

So

We think this is really important.

And again, Wendy's Venmo is Wendy, or at Wendy Pilot.

It's

at Wendy-Pilot.

Yeah, and again, a big Peany-Giggy, thank

you everybody

for supporting us

and

supporting Wendy on this journey.

I just want to say one other thing.

If you want to, you can call the Dane County Wisconsin Sheriff's Department and tell them that you're in support of Wrigland

you know, surrendering the dogs.

Today I called Governor Tony Evers.

And he's always been a great supporter of what we're doing.

He's on the radio show here quite often and gives updates.

And I talked to his legislative assistant today.

I had a really nice conversation with her and she was kind of aware of what was going on.

Like she heard about this, what was going on.

And she thinks that, you know, Governor Evers is aware of this and my ask

to Governor Evers is to talk to Reglyn Farms and plead with them and convince them that the right thing to do would be surrendering these dogs to us and not sell them to other labs.

So, you know, but unfortunately, you know, where the mighty, mighty dollar lies is, you know,

Well, Mark, one of the big legislators out of, that's on Tom Arnold once a week, or Tom

Hartman.

Thank you.

On AM 9.15, Across the Nation, has Pokan on, and he wrote a big kind of a public...

a response to this organization.

Yes, so he is in support.

I'll just read the last sentence of his letter.

So Mark Pokan, who is the United States House of Representatives, wrote a letter in response to Wriglin Farms' email that they sent.

Riglin Farms wrote, you know, that these animal rights extremists are coming and I need your help.

Oh, yeah, I like that hat for me.

Just people that are watching us on social media, he's got a really cool hat that I might have to look into.

Oh, wow, that's

nice.

So, can you talk a little bit about what's going to be going on at the Walker Art Center at 6 p.m.

on the 9th?

Sure, yeah.

Rosie Seamus invited me over there to share the techniques of what we call corn husk twining.

So, that's ancient corn husk weaving that Haudenosaunee people have done.

throughout our history of our people and I'm just here to revitalize that and bring it back to life because it kind of died off a little bit there.

Well, there's a picture of it on the website and it's beautiful.

It's just amazing.

So how long have you been working on these and

this is a beautiful thing and it really, and is it just to Oneida or what other tribes use the corn husking method?

Well, from what I studied, it was mostly used by the Haudenosaunee people, like all of the six nations.

Majority of the work that you can find is mostly throughout the Seneca people.

And so that's where I

I picked up this form of art.

I've been working with corn husks for almost 20 years now, and I picked up twining over that duration.

And that's where I picked it up as within the Seneca people.

And a lot of the objects from our history, they still exist today, some of the ceremonial objects and things.

Well, it's amazing too.

My notes here says that they also weave bottles and not only moccasins, but bottles and other items like baskets.

And I know Ho-Chunk are really big into weaving baskets, but I don't think it's with corn husks.

Yeah, there's a lot of different fibers that are used in other nations.

They do the same technique as weaving.

And so I really

I'm kind of envious of those other fibers because they're a lot longer than corn husk.

So it would be a lot easier to do.

But when it comes to corn husk, you're only working with a limited length of fibers that you have.

And so it's a little bit, I could see that it would be a little bit more difficult.

But it does, you know, bring us to

to where we're from, you know, the people of the Haudenosaunee, we are corn people.

So we would definitely use that fiber.

And, and I would, I would think that would be the same thing for, for the other nations that do the, the types of weaving or the same thing, the twining with their fibers.

Oh, with the corn husk, you said it's only so long.

So my big size 1112s wouldn't fit in there.

Oh, just

kidding.

Yeah, so you know, so can you tell us a little bit like how would you start?

Is it is it is it twining?

It kind of looked like and I don't have the picture in front of me, but it kind of looked like almost almost braiding at first

Yeah, it's a little bit you have the sort of Concepts of using those muscles in your hands to braid is You know, you're you're clamping down with your fingers and you're weaving and then when you you could start

multiple ways but the way that bottles for instance or moccasins are started there's a nucleus that you that you build in the beginning by folding corn husk and then sort of like conjoining them together and they sort of like clamp in together and then you sort of create this wheel and the spokes

uh you get into those basket terms when you as you get further along with uh with twining and then you have your own I kind of made up my own terms there you have your twiner and then you have your spokes and so when you're when you're twining sort of in the uh in a circular uh I guess direction and and uh you know you could create those bottles or I created uh because that was something that our people used in

in our history was bottles and they used to store salt in them.

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Well, let's talk about this again.

So it's going to be two sessions.

I'm reading here one at six and one at seven thirty.

And you're going to be teaching people how to use the corn husk and twine to make things like moccasins.

And this is going to be at the Walker Art April 9th at twenty twenty six at six p.m.

at the Cargill Lounge, which is a beautiful lounge at the at the Walker.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I can't wait to see it.

It's gonna be exciting.

So what do people need to bring other than a good attitude and patience?

Oh,

yeah, I gotta get bring some patience.

Because, you know, it gets real tough and throw all of my other workshops.

I've seen people get a little frustrated, but it teaches you a lot of

patients and it's very therapeutic when you do it.

So yeah, that good energy is definitely needed there.

So the corn husking is really, I'm reading here too, is twining is central to the gallery presentation and materials be provided and distributed.

It first comes first served.

So everybody get out there early and get ready to do that because that sounds really, really exciting.

Frazier, do you have anything else you want people to know about this great activity?

Yeah, just that you know just really raising that awareness that it that it needs to be brought back to life We need to revitalize this.

This is something that's dying off Within our people and so you know by bringing that alive and keeping that going You're also bringing alive a lot of other things that come along with it because you're sitting there face-to-face with each other and

and keeping alive a lot of the traditions that our ancestors carried forth, you know, and want us to do the same.

And I know, you know, when we do things like this in a community, there's also just natural storytelling going on.

So, Frazier, do you talk about the history and things like that?

What do you say during this activity?

Oh, yes, definitely.

I'm going to be bringing some

some information and some photos that I have of twining and objects that our people do and I will most definitely be relaying the history that I've studied about twining, courthouse twining specifically.

So when people go and aren't able to finish their product is there a YouTube video or videos out there that you have Show how to do this or is this pretty much person-to-person?

There was a YouTube video.

It's not there anymore.

There is some

There's some if you if you search there is some videos that are out there I know I have a short one that sort of gives a little bit of an intro to to how to how to twine there's not too much explaining in that but If you if you go to the workshop and you and you sit and listen to the skills You you could definitely get it if you if you want to pursue that and keep going

I would, I would hope that that's what I would get out of this workshop is for students to definitely keep progressing on more projects or finish the project that they're going to be doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, I really, we only got a minute left here and I really appreciate you coming on Frazier and talking about this event coming up on, on April 9th at 6pm at the Walker.

You know, it's so cool to see a lot of things that we do and work on that is art, but it also is really things that we use in our daily life.

And I just want to say a big Pina Giga Frasier for doing this and keeping this alive.

This is a huge deal for our community.

And I really appreciate that Frasier.

Yes.

I want to go to you as well and I really appreciate the words and this time here that we took to relay this message and talk about this thing.

Yes, one more time at the Walker Thursday, April 9th at 6 p.m.

At the Cargill Lounge.

It is free and it is a beautiful thing and Rosie is always cutting edge on things and so I appreciate what's going on here and what's what's happening and It'll be great a great thing and I just want to get the word out as much as possible.

This has just been awesome

Okay, he gave me, people listening on the radio, he gave me the okay sign with the two fingers.

Ho-wa!

Right on, Frazier.

Thanks for coming on, man, and I'll see you soon in the great work and keep up the good work.

I'm going to talk about a few things like future fest and career and transfer fair, and I want to introduce Nadine Bell.

Sarah Butler and Donna, a counsel.

Thank you, a big Peony Giggie.

Thank you to R3 for being on.

It's my honor to have you on.

And I love your college.

You've been there quite a few times for events and it's just a great place.

So I'd really like to start out with Nadine and talk about the informer, the listeners about the college and all the great things that are happening there.

Welcome to Native Ritz Radio.

All right.

Thank you, Robert.

Just making sure you can hear me.

Yes.

Thank you for having us today.

We're really excited to share not only information about the college, but an exciting event that we have coming up on April 14.

One of our main tag lines at Red Lake Nation College is that we're a great place to start.

Our main campus is up on the Red Lake Reservation in Red Lake.

We have 414 students this last year.

We've grown exponentially over the last couple years and we're really excited.

We're one of the youngest TCUs in the country.

As you know, there's 38 tribal colleges across the country that represent the vast majority of

tribes and we're really excited.

We have 15 different tribes that are represented in our student body this year.

About half of those students attend through distance education.

That was cool.

Hey, up next we got Red Lake Nation, we're in college and we're going to be talking about some things there and you are listening to Native Ritz Radio.

We'll be right back after this short break.

Please stay with us.

Kathryn Lake

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