Erasing History: Flags, Monuments, and Truth (Hour 1)

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Dom, how are you doing today?

I'm doing pretty good.

I know every single day so far I've said, wow, it's a really nice day.

And again, really nice day.

I mean, I feel like I'm walking on sunshine here.

So I'm having a good time.

I have my monster with me and I'm ready to go.

Are you talking about the drink?

Yeah, the

drink.

Yeah.

You do that stuff?

Unfortunately.

Yeah, I got

to end that because it

helps me.

Get up coffee doesn't do it.

I think energy drinks do it for me But my parents have said you got to stop you got to stop and I

don't what is your current Monster energy or what is your current energy drink intake in a single day?

I would say one a day and it's usually a Red Bull or a monster.

Okay.

Well, I mean, I guess that's not bad.

That's not bad.

I mean, I don't

Yeah, I've heard is it rod it's it rots your teeth, but What do I know?

Well, if you brush your teeth and you have a regular teeth

If you have a dental plan on how you take care of yourself morning, noon and night, you're going to be good.

One, if you're drinking 30 monsters a day, then yes, you may have a problem.

By the way, we are not sponsored by or told to stop talking about monster.

But yeah, I just, I've never been able to get into that stuff.

It always, it always tastes, it tastes like, it tastes like sugary low grade gasoline to me.

So I just always stayed away from that stuff.

But I'm glad you're, I'm glad you're here today as always, but I'm glad you're here because you are a younger folk.

You are, you are 22.

Correct.

And what I want to talk about this morning, a senior producer Tucker brought this up.

I thought it was a really good idea.

And this is a bigger conversation I want to have is the fact that in the past year 2025 to now, we've seen a lot of moves towards the erasure of our history.

There's a lot of people out there who say things like, why do we have to talk about the bad stuff?

What's all in the past?

What's in the past is in the past.

You can't get rid of it.

It's part of our culture.

It's part of our history.

What we're seeing now is real examples of this erasure.

It's not just people not wanting to talk about it, invoking the holy orders of, we don't want to talk about sex, politics, religion, or money, which I think is a horrible thing to live your life by, because I think when you talk about those topics, that's important.

Those things are important.

You don't have to talk about them all the time, but you definitely need to bring these up.

to have good discussions with folks, whether it's your family or friends.

But point is, we are seeing from the White House, the Trump administration, actual moves to erase history from this country by way of getting rid of monuments, getting rid of placards, getting rid of flags.

And we have a few examples, but this is being spurned by the article in Axios.

Avery Lotz has the byline Pride Flag removed from Stonewall Monument.

The New York City Council members are demanding answers after Pride Flag was removed from New York's Stonewall National Monument, the birthplace of the modern queer rights movement.

If you don't know what Stonewall is, very simply, in 1969, there was a mass protest, some would call a riot, where folks inside the iconic world legendary Stonewall in

Decided to no longer take it and they revolted rebelled against the police because in those days you could be arrested for simply being in a bar if you were Queer gay however you identified at that point So Stonewall has become an epicenter in this country and throughout the world for people to visit.

I've been there It's absolutely amazing the bar still there and there was a there's a monument and a flag The monument the flag was removed from the monument

And people want to know why.

And there have been moves by, I know in Wisconsin, to only allow us to fly the American flag and no other flags.

This is in response to the BLM movement.

But these are movements towards the erasure of histories, of moments in our history that are very important.

They inconvenience others, but that shouldn't matter.

Folks on their side have said and their side my side.

It's not a side.

I'm sorry.

I don't want to I don't want to say that folks who advocate for the erasure of history through patriotism and things of that nature Want to say things like we are all Americans.

That's in the past and they also like to say facts over feelings.

Well The fact is that your feelings are hurt by a flag too bad deal with it move on There's a lot of things I see I take in that I don't like

And I move on, I turn it off, I look away, I don't pay attention to, I just do not.

It's not my jam, it's fine.

But this is not good.

This is a monument that recognizes one of the most important moments.

I would say it's an important moment in American history period.

It's probably the most important moment in queer history.

one of the most important moments in American history.

And the fact that they're slowly trying to silence it by taking away flags.

Next thing you know, it could be the monument.

That's that is speculation.

They haven't done that.

But they said that they were doing it because of a government wide guidance requiring only US flags and other congressionally or departmentally authorized flags to fly on NPS National Park, manage flag poles with limited exception.

So

that is something they've been trying to do is saying anything that's not by their standard is no longer good.

So get rid of the pride flag because that's not authorized.

Why do I bring all this up is because this is just the tip of the iceberg of things we've seen throughout this country where we're trying to erase parts of our culture that some find inconvenient or fly in the face of what they believe our history is about.

And the reason I wanted you to be part of the conversation

Because I said, you are a 22 year old male.

And what I want to talk to you about in a little bit, so I want you to think about this is, you know, in your life of, in your life, school, experiences, family, friends, taking in history, taught versus not taught, and reality versus what is, what is, what do you've been told?

So example, like, you know, Columbus discovered America.

We all know he didn't.

We all know he didn't.

And I guess that's the question I want to pose to everyone out there, is how important is it to you personally to know the real historical points of this country?

How does it inform your being, your everyday actions, how you interact with people, knowing that some folks went through certain things versus others?

I think that's very important to build yourself up as a complete person, is an understanding of your history, whether it's your family, cultural.

state, nation, world history.

Because when we do things like this, when we take small pieces away, we are slowly erasing that.

And in probably one of, in my opinion, just me, one of the most dangerous ways possible, which is by those slow removals, that constant reminder then.

When we lose those concert reminders, we think about other things.

I'm not saying that people have to go to the Stonewall Monument, stand there for hours, bow their head and do something.

I'm just saying walking past that monument, seeing those flags, seeing those reminders of not only of tough or terrible times in this country, but when you see a monument like that and you see a flag like that, the fact that from those tough and terrible times, we found light and we found truth and we found what I believe, and this sounds very dramatic, but I believe it's true.

We found what is the best parts of this country is America, the melting pot, the all in together.

Bring us your tired, poor and huddled masses.

That's what I believe personally.

When you remove these small pieces, the flags, the monuments, the changing names of schools or military bases, when you do those things, you take away those constant reminders and then they slowly erase from your memory because we're busy people.

We got things to do.

You got like you're listening to me right now and I appreciate you being on air and you being on on the show with me sharing your time, but you're also thinking about Going the grocery store Picking up the kids.

What are we doing this weekend?

How do I get out of that thing later that I don't want to go to you got things going on?

So it's not a matter of people being like, you know The folks who can't who don't remember aren't bad people it's just that

I don't know.

I'm getting a little turned around here.

It's because I feel very strongly about that.

And I really appreciate Tucker for bringing this up because I think this is something that we're not really talking about on a regular basis.

It's the fact that when we take away those reminders of where we come from, we forget about them.

And then we have to come back.

Oh yeah.

And then we find out new information and we don't continue to have this conversation, which is the warts and all of this country.

So we're going to talk about some more examples going through this first hour.

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I want to know your thoughts on these stories where you see important points of history being taken away because we have a group of people in Washington who are threatened by our true actual history.

They don't see it as a chance to grow.

They don't see it as a chance to learn.

They don't see it as a chance to weirdly be proud of where we are now versus where we are then.

And not weirdly, it's...

We should have a pride in how far we've come.

We have a lot more work to do.

But this erasing from as a way of propping up the strength of America is incorrect.

We can't be strong with a weak foundation.

And doing this only makes us weaker.

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And yeah, we are talking about the attempted erasures of history from the Trump administration.

And this is being, this was being,

Kicked it off with a story out of Axios Discussing the removal of a pride flag from the Stonewall Monument in New York City New York City Stonewall the epicenter of the queer Queer rights movement Simple to the point and they got rid of the flag.

They haven't gotten rid of the monument They got rid of the flag because according to national parks

They said that there's a government-wide guidance requiring, quote, only the U.S.

flag and other congressionally or departmentally authorized flags fly on NPS National Park Service, managed flag polls with limited exceptions.

They did not say when the flag was removed, the Interior Department did not immediately respond to the request for comment, but the City Council is very upset about this being called an outrage by the Manhattan Borough President, Brad.

Holman, Siegel, Siegel.

Sorry, I've got that name wrong.

It's an outrage amongst another outrage because we know that this is an administration that seems very comfortable in attacking religion, religious, ethnic, and other minorities, including the LGBTQ population.

And I mentioned earlier about Wisconsin and our flags, and I wanted to give some context and some details to that.

Last year, they put forth AB 58, which would

Generally prohibit the display of any flag other than US flag or state of Wisconsin flag from being flown hung or otherwise displayed from the exterior of any other of any governmental building and The ACLU has gotten involved There are many people on you know, this this vote came down on party lines This is and they they said it was a nonpartisan bill that is it voted got voted on party lines.

So I don't believe that for a second

It says they said our goal with this nonpartisan bill is to ensure that our schools and government institutions remain above partisan politics because they think flying a Pride flag during Pride month is partisan politics But this is just simply once again the slow erasure of folks from our history books.

So we don't Have to need to or for some want to think about them.

This isn't the only example going on in Philadelphia

This is from AP.

Philadelphia sues over removal of slavery exhibition at Independence National Historic Park.

This one I heard about, and we never got a chance to talk about, there was a lot of upset folks, a lot of angry folks.

This happened last month where basically without any sort of discussion, the removal of these,

These exhibits were just taken down.

So they said that empty bolt holes and shadows are the only thing remaining on the brick walls where Explanatory panels were displayed at the president's house site where George and Martha Washington lived with the people they owned his property when Philadelphia was the nation's capital one woman cried silently in absence Someone left a bouquet of flowers a hand letter sign said slavery was real these were big

plates put on these walls showing the history of slavery in this country, the history of the washington's as in slavers.

It gave a real deep dive history into what went on in philadelphia and the colonies in those days.

And it was removed by order of the by the order of the white house, because this does not fit in line with what do they call it here philadelphia.

They are trying it's a it's part of the executive order restoring truth.

insanity to our American history.

I'm going to read that again.

The removal of this exhibit was to, quote, restore truth and sanity to American history.

And that is actually right here on the website, the White House.gov website, ordered as of last March, restoring truth and sanity to American history.

This is something they are using to whitewash or race our history here in this country.

And

I would love to hear from you, Don.

We're going to talk about a little bit.

You and I are going to talk a little bit more about it on the other side of the break.

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These are very, very...

intentional things, being masked by the mission of patriotism, bringing us together.

I don't know how that does this, but really what they want to do is they want to erase the struggle, the history and the quote, unquote, complaints of folks who just think that knowing our history, where we come from is important and it absolutely is.

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We've been talking about for the first half hour of the show about a story that came out of Axios regarding the removal of the of a pride flag at the Stonewall Monument in New York, the Stonewall Monument, New York City, the epicenter of the queer rights movement.

This is quote unquote in line with a guidance from the government that requires only US flags and other congressionally or departmentally authorized flags to be flown on national park services.

We also discussed the fact that

Wisconsin last year was pushing a proposal that would only allow, and I believe it went through, would only allow flags, American flags and the Wisconsin flag to be flown at the state capitol, no flags celebrating other cultures, no flags celebrating, and this was a direct response to Pride flags and the BLM flags, which if I'm not mistaken, I don't think the BLM flag ever flew at the capitol, but you know, you gotta move.

Gotta create that solution before it actually becomes a problem, my friends.

I always gotta do that.

It's very, very important.

And then earlier this year, last month, I should say, there was a story that came out of Philadelphia where a display showing the depths at which the slavery movement went in Philadelphia, the colonies with the Washingtons at Independence Hall Park, that was taken down out of nowhere and was with no

No saved from the government to the local government.

It just just it was taken down.

There was videos I saw people just it was taken down taken away.

So this this display is gone and this is all just in a an attempt to erase our history little by little slowly methodically purposefully not just not and in a way that folks who go to visit Independence Park

When they don't see it, they don't know it So they don't get to learn about it doesn't make them good or bad It just means they're knocking the opportunity or say at the monument.

It's the stone stone wall monument When you don't see that pride flag It can drift out of your memory if it's not if it's not front of mind you for folks who are queer like myself That's important very very important reminders.

I'm always thinking about that stuff more so for my friends who are really out in the world and really trying to live their lives without being harmed but

This is methodical.

This is purposeful and this is anti-American in my opinion is anti-democracy This is anti everything we should be standing for and I've been talking about this for a while and I wanted to bring Dom into the discussion because Dom you and I are a very differing ages I am 48 you were 22 you grew up in a very different time much more digitally connected.

I don't do you remember a time at all?

not having the internet or even cell phones or tablets in your life.

Not at all.

I've, I've, I don't remember that at all.

Not, I mean, I've, I've had a tablet ever since I was probably like seven, six,

you know,

so.

So that, that access to information and also, and this also has to do with, you know, your upbringing with your parents and I'm not bringing into question their performance.

This isn't a job review.

But you have a different way, you've had a different way of getting information than I have versus with regard to our history.

Not impossible for me to do that, but growing up if I wanted to deep dive into the real history beyond the textbooks There are a lot of research libraries involved things like that for you What do you see this as as a young person in America in Wisconsin?

When you see things like this, how do you how do you feel about it?

It's and I was looking at some of these articles that you put in the show notes and you know

It's as a young person, it's sometimes you feel like it's a little above you, like you don't want to talk about it.

And, you know, I think as a young person, you kind of just have to learn and take in constructive criticism and learning about certain things differently than older people.

And that is just maybe, you know,

participating in discussions like what I'm doing right now and trying to learn more about the world.

Because honestly, as someone who's 22, I just, I feel like sometimes I don't really have a say in certain things like this discussion right here.

But, I mean, I don't really know what I'm saying, but overall, I think that it is, I think that these historical parts of history that are being erased isn't something that should be taken for granted.

And I feel like some some young people, young people that I talk to don't really care about it and don't really talk about it.

And interesting.

Yeah, especially you were talking about social media and media in general, how we grow up a little bit differently.

I get all of my stuff on TikTok, Instagram reels, stuff that, you know, isn't super credible.

And I

will.

That's where I beg.

I don't know if I want to beg to differ.

I apologize for interrupting you, but I feel like.

Your ability to go to a place like TikTok or Instagram or a place that like it has these independent artists and creators deep diving history and presenting to you unvarnished truths about our history You've had the ability to access that so much easier.

So also for me, I'm wondering I Feel like I spent a great deal of my

late twenties and thirties and onto today where I know about a topic.

And then I hear, Oh, did you know that this thing actually was because of this, this and this?

And you're like, Oh, because in my high school, we weren't taught that or because we didn't have TikTok.

We didn't have that.

So I've, you know, one, you absolutely have agency to talk about this, not above you.

This is your

history too.

And you are, I hate to use the phrase, you are our future and you should have a stake in the conversation.

So anyone who tells you not to, no.

No, no, no, no.

Anyone me and older?

No, no, no.

We don't get to tell you what you can and can do or think.

But also, just the fact that you can go to your phone and you can find information.

And this is from the credible people.

I understand there's a lot of non-credible things out there.

But when you see the history lessons you've gotten have been invaluable through this thing you've always had in your hand, whereas I feel like I'm constantly learning new things because I just wasn't taught them in high school.

We never, ever talked about it.

And things that I'm like, oh, I didn't know that there are other folks saying, yeah, we've known it for a while.

We've been talking about it and no one's been listening.

But now we have this this leveling tool, which is social media and how you take it in has got to be very different than how I take it in.

You're 100% right.

And I think, again, accessing certain stuff is easier.

You're 100% right.

I do think that I feel like I've been having to deep dive into information more and more because

Like you said, there is AI nowadays and there's

certain

things that even though I do have access, I do have, if a phone is right in front of my hand, I can easily just take a look at it and see what information is being told to me.

But I feel like I have to go more deeper than that, especially when

it

goes to TikTok or Instagram and certain things like that.

Even though I know I have all that information, I don't know 100% if that information is correct.

And that's why I feel like, you know,

growing up, I feel like I've been having to take more information and do more deep dives and asking the good questions rather than just saying, okay, yeah, this is 100% credible and I'm, it's ready to go.

Yeah, I mean and then that opens up a wider conversation to of course We had it before and we keep on having it as the validity of social media as a tool of learning How do you suss out the good information versus the bad information who's credible versus not credible and I think that for me like when we talk about this, you know, especially when it comes to the the exhibit these 34 panels in Philadelphia that were just removed, you know when they're literally erasing this

Exhibit away from that from that park Where then do people because I mean I for me like you go there You're seeing it and then you're at your face with these with these panels and they're truthful and they are they are not fun to read and you have to do a lot of Reflection I believe and one of the questions I know that when you know, we're looking at the plan document for this morning Tucker put on there and said was how important is

was knowing information.

I want to get this because it was a very good question.

It says, how do you feel?

Do I have an anecdote about the history that I've learned?

How do you feel that you know about it?

What does it mean to know more details?

Is history changed or biased by giving these details?

And I think, for me,

When it comes to knowing the truth, whether you see it on these panels, whether you see it in a flag, whether you go to a museum like the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis at the Lorraine Hotel, I think I'm unbiased then.

I think when you become more unbiased when you know about this history, because you've taken the experiences of those who've come before you, and those experiences and how they affect the people around you, and you learn to say to yourself,

It's not all about me.

It's not about my comfort.

And that's what these measures seek to do.

They seek to raise the comfort levels of folks who don't want to talk about it, who think it's, quote, not a big deal, to folks who say, well, just get over it.

People who don't want to reckon with our past and have the absolute privilege of living in a world where that history does not affect them.

They say to us, well, it's not that big of a deal.

It doesn't speak of our country in a good light.

Again, facts don't care about feelings.

You don't like it.

Don't go to the monument.

Don't go to the museums.

Don't do the thing.

Sit home and watch whatever confirms your bias.

You're going to do that anyways.

I'm not telling you.

I'm not giving you instructions.

But in the question that Tucker asked to us, to me, what does it mean to know more details?

Is history changed or biased by giving these details?

I think history is biased when you

when you erase the details, when you erase the history, when you take it away, when you do not allow folks to take in all good information, credible information based on history, science, and the otherwise, you create bias.

You let go of your bias, you let go of yourself, when you allow your, you allow self reflection upon information and say, yes, I know for 99% fact, nobody in my family ever owned people.

we never participated in that trade.

That doesn't alleviate me from the responsibility of A, knowing that history and B, letting that history affect my everyday life and how I treat others, how I take in information from others and how I understand that a lady sitting across from me has a far different experience based on that history affecting her grandmother, her mom, her... I think...

History changes for the better.

I don't think history is history.

History is history.

Our understanding changes.

Our movements change.

Our policies change.

That's what's different about it.

And you let go of that bias.

And I think that's very, very important.

And I think from what I'm hearing from Dom, it's not an easier task because they're younger, because they have more technology.

You still have to do the diving.

You still have to do the research.

But you also do have to do work on yourself as well.

This is just about self care as it is for the care of our communities, whether we're talking about state, local or federal or the world.

I think we become less biased when we know the real history and these movements seek to limit our access to that history.

So more coming up after the break.

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And then, um, yeah, we're just having a great, we're having a conversation here about movements by the Trump administration to erase, you know, whether it's flags, monuments, things of that nature from our parks that give a

detailed, accurate, but truthful look at our history in this country, warts and all, whether we're removing pride flags from monuments, whether we're taking down a 34 panel display talking about slavery.

I wanted to make two things really, I'm gonna make two points before we did, before we went on though.

And first I wanted to read this to hear Roger and Steven's point listening and he said, when I was seven or eight years old in 1973 or 74, my parents purchased the World Book Encyclopedias.

The history in those books were more objective than what most school books are today.

Cause back then they're just printing the information as they see fit.

But I would venture to say, if you put out the exact same version with the exact same mission, I think it would be even different cause we learn more, we know more and we

But yeah, there was a professorial viewpoint because we had those kinds of books in my house, too.

Very, very useful in school projects.

But two things I wanted to make clear, too.

One is this isn't new, by the way.

Erasure isn't new.

This isn't something that we're just seeing out of nowhere.

This has been going on for hundreds of years.

Another point that was brought up in our plan doc in the discussion was the erasure of Indigenous folks, their history, monuments.

being suppressed, being moved.

It's, I believe, you know, you want to talk to someone from the native population.

I'm sure they have a lot of thoughts.

I'd be interested to hearing young people because they grew up in it.

Older folks maybe have different opinions on it, but this is nothing new.

It's just now boldface without any sort of remorse.

And it's being wrapped up in this executive order that was put out last year called Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History.

which really just seeks to rewrite it, whitewash it, erase it at all costs because it just doesn't fit their narrative and makes them feel uncomfortable.

Ron is on the line right now.

He's calling in from Milwaukee.

Ron, good morning.

How are you today?

Hi, Greg.

Great, actually.

I am great.

I'm really aghast at all the stuff they're doing to kind of erase

Black history and minority history, but here's one thing that I I have a question and it's not been answered at least I haven't heard any news stories or other reports about this Maybe I'll go do a heavy search today when I get home, but what about the relatively new African-American Museum in Washington I've been looking forward to getting back to DC and

cherry blossom time and finally going through that place.

It looks fantastic.

Have they removed the thing?

How could they not?

What would they replace the African American exhibits with though?

They just shut the place down.

I don't think they're that stupid.

But what do you have any information or thoughts about that?

I have heard nothing about that.

It is a Smithsonian.

I'm looking it up right now as we're talking.

I've seen nothing about it.

I have a feeling at this point, I would have seen a story.

It says here, let me see here.

Philadelphia Smith.

As far as I see right now, nothing major.

There was removal of artifacts that we talked about a couple of months ago.

And that's the, I'm glad you brought that up, Ron, because that's the other point I wanted to make is that

With America's 250th celebration this year, there will be, of course, museums putting out their exhibits about America.

Of course, the Smithsonian, which is usually an independent entity that gets to operate and do their thing and put out the history they see fit that needs to be put out there to allow people to understand whether we're talking about politics, art, culture, or the horrible moments of this country.

But...

In PBS on the PBS website in pressure to show Trump its plans for exhibits for America's 250th birthday, so Ron I would be on the lookout for things like that I would really be vigilant so far nothing with the actual museum itself But I wouldn't be surprised if there were plans or suggestions or demands, but we already know now that the Smithsonian and

All of their museums will be pressured to show Trump their plans on how they want to show America on its 250th birthday.

And they will have opinions, and they will probably tell them what they can and can't do and threaten, threaten that I want you to keep your eye on.

We will keep our eye on that.

When we talk about our country 250 years, it's words and all.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

We need to know our history.

Our kids need to know the history.

That's how we become better.

less biased, more inclusive.

There's a scary word, but we mean more inclusive.

But it's by things like the Smithsonian, this display in New York, and this display in Philadelphia that we know more, know better, and understand each other's struggles.

And by doing this, by erasing it, by removing it, we make ourselves weaker.

We make ourselves worse off for the wear, and our kids learn nothing.

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