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Good morning.
Welcome back, Jim.
I always love having you on the show.
Before we went on the air today, you sent me an email with a lot of stuff, and we could have been talking about that for a half an hour, but I'm like pink Floyd and stuff.
And and you are very with you, right?
But let's let's kick off what you want to discuss, which was the fact that an important, important matter involving Steve Bannon has been released.
Yeah and again Steve Bannon in and out of her courts routinely we know who he is but principally in the first administration.
Remember that this is a fellow who has gotten lots of breaks and he's got another one from the Department of Justice just recently.
You may recall that during the course of the review by that House committee on January 6th he was subpoenaed along with another guy named Peter Navarro who was the trade advisor and Steve Bannon he's he decides not to show up and the
Congress refers this to the Department of Justice.
They prosecute him.
He is convicted by a jury, important to know, unanimously convicted by a jury for contempt of Congress.
He is sentenced to a whopping four months in prison.
He serves that.
He has continued to appeal his conviction.
all the way up to the Supreme Court, where it's been pending recently, and lo and behold, just yesterday, our Solicitor General, his name is John Sauer, on behalf of the Attorney General, on behalf of your President, has told the Supreme Court, never mind.
We're asking you to send this back down to the lower court.
And we're going to dismiss the prosecution, dismiss the indictment, basically getting rid of the conviction and wiping this one clean as well, which again is a pattern that this administration has done with pardons, other things in part in the connection with pardons.
You may recall well that he's already benefited from the fact that even before he went to trial, remember he had that fraud case pending that had to do with a group backing the border wall and financing there.
He was charged with basically fraud.
in misusing some money for that group.
What happens?
Donald Trump pardons him before it goes to trial.
So this is at least the second time that the president and the administration has come in to save him from his criminal conduct.
And yes, indeed, contempt of Congress is criminal in nature.
Now we've got, and the Supreme Court will almost certainly dismiss the case, send it back, and then a federal judge in the District of Columbia will dismiss this.
And Steve Bannon, again, escapes from justice.
I raise it not only because of Steve Bannon's notoriety.
but also because it underscores this continuing effort, successful when you're in power, to use the levers of power to undermine the system, things that you and I, Greg, and your listeners, and Dom, and others, if we will never get in trouble of this sort, hopefully.
But if you did, in fact, find yourself running afoul of the criminal justice system, probably the president would not come to our aid, nor should he.
nor should he.
These pardons, these dismissals of these cases, they're not premised upon justice.
Even though your Solicitor General says in its prosecutor discretion, dismissal of the criminal case against Steve Bannon is in the interests of justice.
What are those?
What are those, Mr. Solicitor General?
I'd really like to know.
That's the news coming out of your Department of Justice, the latest outrage from just
yesterday.
We were sold the bill of goods last year in my opinion Jim that was about getting rid of fraud waste and abuse and Among the people that the president has pardoned have been some of the biggest fraudsters on earth Steve Bannon used the border security topic building the wall to secure I think it was a million dollars if not more
He used that money to buy a boat.
He committed fraud.
A woman who solicited money to build a statute commemorating, I believe a police officer was busted and arrested and was about to be thrown in jail.
And I think just before she was about to serve her sentence, she was pardoned.
The list goes on and on.
And you know this, those are some of the low ticket offenders on the amount of money.
We get into the billions of dollars and the absolute
Crimes of some of these individuals and it all just becomes it's a matter of justice for the good of the people for the good of America And you are absolutely right.
These are not circumstances in which we would enjoy the president's attention Because I don't have the money to tell everyone that I love president Trump I don't have that kind of cash on me But I know that if I did all I would have to do is whine a little bit throw a little money to a ballroom or or a a quote
library, and I'm going to be Scott free.
I'm out.
And that's it.
And that's the thing too is like, these people can't be recharged once they're pardoned.
They're done.
That's it.
And I mean, I don't know like how, you know, from, you know, from your point of view, Jim, if you're just joining us right now in civic media, mid mornings, we are talking to Jim Santel, the host of amicus, a law review every Saturday, 9am to 11am, where we talk where he talks, I don't talk.
all things important out of the world of law how do you feel from a precedent standpoint how has this administration harmed the pardon process and the legitimacy of the pardoning as a power of the presidency as well as just something you know
Folks like me and you could possibly get one day if we did the actual work because getting a pardon is almost like it's like part and parcel to citizenship You don't just get one usually you have to like There's a long process and then you are vetted and you might be the best person ever and they may just say not today Sorry, but not anymore
What is what is it done to the pardon process?
It has completely eviscerated it again.
I think I've used that word twice now in one morning and destroyed it.
It has undermined it because there used to be a thing and there still is inside the department of justice cause the office of pardon attorney.
And that's exactly what you're talking about, Greg.
You and I want to, anyone wants to seek a pardon, you submit an application.
The
standards up to now again,
during this administration, during the Trump first administration have been typically you got to wait five years after your conviction is complete, you're off paper, you're no longer being supervised.
You've got to basically admit that you have done this underlying bad thing.
You've got to confess if you haven't already.
Yeah, I committed bank fraud.
I committed, I stormed the Capitol, right?
I did all these things.
And number three, and maybe this is the big one, there's got to be something about your life that shows that you are redeeming not only your life, helping other people.
doing things in the community.
Some people look at and say, you know what, this person made a mistake.
They acknowledge it.
Time has passed.
And now look at these good things we're benefiting from.
All of that, you put that in the mix and you say, yeah, that's a person who deserves to be pardoned.
What is happening with this president, of course, is number one, this guy named Ed Martin, who is much of the news these days.
He's been in charge of the office of the pardoned attorney, an awful lot to believe that we're not using that process at all because of the people that we're seeing being pardoned here, wonder out loud if Steve Bannon really had that application pending there.
Probably not, because again, what I just described,
It's not absolutely required.
It's not the Constitution.
President could wake up tomorrow as he does routinely and say, you know what, 1,500 people who tried to overthrow the government, I'm going to pardon all of them.
My guess is they didn't all file applications for pardons, and yet he can do it.
And the other piece of this, which of course is about history going forward is you can't reverse those.
You can't challenge them in court.
Legislation does not overturn them.
The only thing that does happen, reminded when your last comment is many
Many of these folks who have been pardoned in the wake of January 6 have committed more crimes.
Fascinating.
Some of them have argued in court.
Well, the president's previous pardon to me should apply to this crime as well.
Courts have rejected that.
And then in a few instances,
the president has subsequently pardoned them again for the new crime.
And what that means is that we have taken pardon authority in those instances and generally in the process and completely undermined what the purpose of it was, which was the Supreme Court speaks about pardon authority as being mercy and being an equitable power of the president and doing something that's good for Americans.
That's not what's going on.
You're rewarding your political allies.
You're not so much punishing those.
Maybe you're punishing those who are not getting pardons.
But you're doing things once again.
And you're also sending the message, you get in trouble in the law.
And you know what?
I will take care of you.
It's the anti-deterrent argument, right?
You get in trouble.
Just call up the West Wing and we'll see what we can do for you.
That's not how it was intended to be used.
And again, to your question,
How does the next administration restore that notion, restore that confidence in the pardon authority in the process that we've just talked about?
That's another very big lift.
Well, and if a Democrat wins the presidency in 2028, once again, all of the laser-focused
will be on them on anyone they pardon because that's how it's always been.
It's really, there's been a focus on who any president pardons, but Democrats tend to get more scrutiny.
Whereas, you know, you know, blanket pardons for the Biden family.
And there's discussions to be made about pardons that all presidents do, whether we're talking scooter, Libby or whatever it is, it's, but it's, will we go back to the way it was?
Will there be a laser focus or, you know, we'll
Congress have to look at this.
Does Congress have any power to step in on this process to rework it to make sure there's more legitimacy, more process?
Or is it because constitutional granted powers in the executive that it's sort of like, sorry, too bad.
If the president wants to wake up and repardon 1600 people who storm the Capitol, he can do that because that's just his prerogative.
It's pretty tough.
The Constitution is pretty unforegiving about that power.
You can amend the Constitution, of course.
That's a really big lift.
And yes, the Congress creates the office of the party attorney.
You can do all kinds of things.
the president has to sign off on that legislation again.
I like if that will happen, they can pass resolutions of disgust and of dismay about what's going on.
Not a lot you can do about it.
This is one of those where the founding fathers really thought, you know what, let's vest this one authority in the president and we'll call upon him, maybe her one day, to exercise this largesse.
do something the king used to do, right?
And it has now been wildly abused.
James Madison would not recognize it today.
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So we've been talking to Jim Santel, host of amicus law review on every Saturday from 9am to 11am here on civic media, but all the major news coming out of the world of law, including, um, pardons abound, trying to suppress our votes, all those types of things.
It's, it's, it's all, it seems always, there's never a shortage of news, Jim, but it always seems to echo the same.
It's always just variations on a theme, if you will.
Am I wrong?
No, I think, I think you're exactly right.
We're using now, we're in power, which
is
what
plainly the administration is, and we're using all these mechanisms in ways that we have never seen before in 238 years of our republic, and we're doing it in a way that basically says we can do it because we are in power.
Maybe some federal judges will from time to time tell us we can't do it, but we may not even regard that.
It is just this unadorned sense of power, and it raises the question that, again, James Madison
did not answer, which is what if you get people in these responsible positions who simply decide we're going to use that power and we don't care about checks and balances and those kinds of things?
What do you do then when they simply say no?
And that's what we've got going on now.
Richard in Waukesha has been very patient on the phone.
Good morning, Richard.
How are you today?
I'm doing pretty good.
Hey, Richard.
Hi.
My question to you, Jim, is
When you have judges so many times, is this common that a judge, when he runs a trial, that'll actually become a legal prosecutor rather than a judge of the trial?
Thank you,
Richard, for
the
call.
Yeah, Richard, but you're exactly what the focus of this is.
The answer is that shouldn't happen.
You've got a judge who's supposed to be.
And typically, I believe, I believe in the system still is impartial and lets the prosecution present its case, lets the defense present its case.
Sometimes criticism is levied at judges for being biased in one direction or another.
But the whole idea behind our judicial system and the three branches of government, including the judicial system.
The judicial system, the court system, which is the third branch, is to say we're going to adjudicate, we're going to resolve disputes, and you can come in and be heard.
I'll hear everybody that's due process.
And in the end, either a judge or a jury will make the decision.
You shouldn't have judges.
who are making decisions based upon their own personal bias.
And that, if I can make this even broader, Richard, from your good question, that's really the concern with the Supreme Court these days, right?
Is it, are they really giving a balanced view to all these things coming in front of them?
Or as Katanji Brown-Jackson has said, we basically have no rules anymore.
The rules we do have are the administration wins.
Or we've got just a lack of,
basic rules going forward.
That's the concern when you get judges who are seemingly making decisions based upon their own political preferences.
They should not be.
They're supposed to be impartial.
That's the oath they take, Richard.
And if they don't take it, they should be either thrown out of office by the next election or they should be asked to resign.
In the last few minutes we have left, Jim, there was one other thing you wanted to talk about regarding a complaint from the bar.
on a lawyer and how that has to do with the Washington Post.
Right, exactly.
So we've got this Washington Post reporter named Ms.
Hannah Natensen.
You may remember her.
She was the one whose home was searched.
She was looking at thousands of federal workers and shifts remaining workers and the downsizing of government.
Her location, her home gets searched, which is extraordinary.
You normally cannot do that, again, because of the First Amendment.
You have to get all kinds of permission from the Department of Justice to do it.
It's just unheard of, especially when, as this administration has announced, she was not
She was not the target.
She was not the subject of the underlying criminal investigation.
They're just going in, asking for her reporting materials, and they've seized them.
Washington Post responded, again, with abject horror, as we all should.
And what has happened now is you've got a group of people who have come forward and asked the bar, the Virginia bar, to go after the attorney inside the Department of Justice who presented this to a magistrate judge.
And their complaint says that this particular attorney
like they violated the ethics rules in presenting this by not telling the judge about something called the Privacy Protection Act of 1980.
And what does that law say?
It really limits the search for reporting materials.
And so if you didn't tell the magistrate judge about that, therefore the warrant to go in.
is flawed and therefore you shouldn't have gone in.
And so they're attacking this, not so much the court system, the bar system, and saying the prosecutor's name is Gordon Cromberg.
He is within the inside the Department of Justice, will have held this information, violated his oath, and should be sanctioned for not presenting a full and accurate presentation to the magistrate, prompts a bad search warrant, prompts this all to happen.
Another example of processes not being followed, violating the law and hopefully the courts will do something about that.
And I will point out one really quick thing that Jeff Bezos, a very big contributor to Donald Trump in the past few years, who also fired one third of the staff of the Washington Post is the owner of that paper.
And just because you give him money doesn't mean he won't go after you.
Mr. Bezos, do you like that your reporters are being handled like this?
You've given money to this guy, make a call, do something.
But it shows that there are no protected persons, even for a guy like Jeff Bezos.
If the president doesn't like you, you are in his way and he will get you out of the way.
Thank you so much, Jim, for being here this morning.
Jim Santel is
the host of Amicus, a law review every Saturday from 9 a.m.
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And then, uh, yeah, tomorrow, uh, let's see here.
I can't find anything.
We got a great show tomorrow.
I'm just going to put it that way.
Let's just put it that way.
I got a great show for you tomorrow.
We'll talk about it more, but, um,
We are now in the portion of the show.
We usually call this audio sorbet where we take a breath, take a step back.
There was a lot of talk about law, a lot of talk about laws, a lot of talk about the courts.
Jim Santel is always great to have on the show.
But now we're gonna lighten it up a little.
And as we were discussing earlier today in the program, it is 40 days of winter is left.
We have spring is springing on the 20th of March this year, which means we've got 40 days.
And I wanna know from you,
What are you doing in these last 40 days in these last few weeks?
We seem this week to be having a good weather week.
It's depending on where you're at.
I'll speak for myself in the Kenosha Racine area.
We're supposed to have highs of the mid to upper 30s, possibly low 40s, which means snow might be melting a little bit more.
But we know it's Wisconsin.
It's February.
I'm not going to get overconfident about it.
We could get hit in the face with below 60 wind chills in a week and a half, and we'll have to do that together.
But question I have for you today is, what are you doing in those last few weeks of winter?
Are you finishing some indoor projects?
Are you getting ready to spring a firehouse?
Are you going on a trip maybe to get out of the cold weather and come back to something a little bit warmer, watching movies, reading books?
doing something doing nothing that's also an acceptable answer you can call you can text 855-752-4842-855-75 civic or leave a comment on that live stream and we are here again on Facebook YouTube and the platform we still call Twitter Dominic up in Madison right now tell me Dom do you have any you know the more I talk to you the more I get to know that you are a man of of great interests
Whether you're thrifting or... Thrifting, that's all I got so far.
But the point is, is there anything in these last 40 days you're doing that are going to take care of those winter weeks?
Like I know, like you said, I do like to cook.
I've been cooking for the past few weeks, but I would say something else.
I'm getting really into Fallout, the new Fallout show.
I've been
trying
to finish that, at least for the fast...
last few weeks where, you know,
I
just have to stay inside.
So pretty much all inside stuff.
I know after those last last few weeks, once we're out of this, hopefully soon, I'm being on rip sticking too.
So I'm gonna, I want to try and start rip sticking and no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no
OK, you can't say rip sticking and just move on like that's a term that everyone knows.
What is rip sticking?
Rip sticking is basically it's like a it's like a skateboard.
So I skateboarded years, years ago.
I'm only 22, but it's basically like back in
my
day.
That's what it felt like.
Oh, the past few years, it was just it's just two wheels instead of it's instead of four.
And it's, I feel like it's a lot harder to ride.
So I'm wanting, I'm trying to learn how to ride it.
And it's, it's really hard to explain, but you basically- Is it the
thing where your feet go back and forth
and
back and forth?
Yep.
Yep.
It's a big wiggle motion.
You gotta get those feet on there.
You gotta get, get the butt ready.
Yeah.
So.
So you've taken aspects of skateboarding and bicycling and made it smaller and way more difficult.
and you call it rip sticking
rip sticking and there's and there's a bunch of different rip sticking boards you can buy and and of
course there
is there's a whole like people people love going down that rabbit hole and I'm one of them and I really like rip sticking it's just something I like to do
I really enjoy that you just entertain new so you said before
that you just started cooking a few weeks ago.
So this is something new you're discovering is cooking.
Did you didn't grow up cooking?
It wasn't a part
of your
everyday life?
Honestly, no.
This is something new that I've just gotten into.
I cooked basic stuff.
I could put a pizza in the oven.
Will you start, buddy?
Yeah, but now I'm starting to get into some rigatoni and some steak, and I'm learning everything, Greg.
Are you...
When it comes to things like the pastas are you you're starting small and you're buying the pastas and making them and what are you like looking at trying to make your own pasta
Just buying pasta is making them like just bunch of eating ingredients putting them together not making my own pasta Oh, that's later down the road.
Oh,
I was gonna say a lot A lot of times what happens is that we now have access to we have access to so many things in this world that allow you to Indulge your
Curiosities on on a maybe a hobby and I have fallen victim to this as well in the past and I try really hard to keep myself from doing because one money and two it's that thing of I Really want to do this and then we can halfway like I have a $2,000 pasta maker here.
Why did I do that?
Why is everything on Amazon able to put on layaway with no interest?
so
I think that's good.
You're starting, you're starting small.
Are you starting from the basics and working your way up?
I think that's very, very cool.
I think that's wonderful for many reasons.
I think that cooking is a, you know, and, and I think personally that everyone should learn how to cook three or four meals that way you have something, but also it's just good practice.
It's good to show kids how to cook something.
I mean, and
to me,
like when you're talking about kids, cooking to me is making a sandwich because, you know, you meet people and you're like,
You mean adults are like, I don't, I don't know how to do that thing.
How do I, how do I turn on this oven?
It's like, are you asking me that question for real?
Are you being funny right now?
Cause come on now.
I just, I think that's great.
I like the fact that you, are there other hobbies that you have indulged yourself in, in the winter time maybe that are like more indoor friendly or is it, you're like
rip
sticking
and cooking.
I would say I indoor, I was a big soccer player in high school and I'm big into indoor soccer as well.
So I like, I have the cleats for that and not really cleats, but I've been really into soccer.
I'm just trying to get myself active.
Cause I know,
you know, a lot of
times where I'm just really lazy, don't want to feel like, and that's, that's another thing with cooking.
You know, I, I, it makes me want to do something.
It makes me not want to go out and get McDonald's.
You know, it makes me want to do something while I'm inside.
So there's, yeah, it's a lot of active stuff.
So
I think that's important.
I don't know how you are or how other people are.
And we've talked about this in the past on other shows.
where for me, when I want to do something, I have to, I have to sit down and say out loud, okay, I want to do this thing.
So like this past year, one of the big things I did was clean out my garage and reorganize it, even though now I have to do it again, because in the wintertime, everything gets put there.
I have to sit down and say, I'm going to clean the garage.
Okay, what does that mean then?
What is my goal?
How am I going to achieve the goal?
What needs to be done to achieve the goal?
How do I do this?
Am I doing it in one fell swoop?
Which was impossible.
That would have never, that garage would still be a terrible mess if it was still, if I had done it like, I'm going to wake up on a Sunday morning and do it over like 12 hours.
Or what I did was I worked on it to maybe three hours at a time.
And it took about five separate days, five, six days.
But that's how I got it done and like especially it went especially when it's easy to be indoors on the winter during the wintertime It's easy to sit on the couch and do nothing and say I'll do it later And then you don't do it and you don't do it and then before you know you're like oh no I didn't do that thing and then you find out when you do it It's like that only took me 35 minutes to do my goodness.
So Yeah, I think I think anything you can do during the wintertime to keep yours keep yourself active It doesn't have to be exercise.
It can be the cooking it can be
you know, saying you're going to clean a room of the house every day, one room in the house every single day.
That way, also, you're not cleaning it all at once because you're like, oh, God, we have company coming over now.
But I think that's very important.
Folks, if you're out there right now, what are you doing in those last few weeks of winter before we hit spring?
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I'm kind of preparing myself for spring, actually.
Like I said, I got to go to my garage.
I got to organize it again.
The whole thing with the organization of the garage last year was to park our cars in there during the winter.
And that did not work out at all.
So a new plan must be laid.
New goals must be met.
But I will do that.
But yeah, I want to.
I want to spring clean before it's spring.
And I don't want to do it all in one day.
So like there's a closet organization project.
There is under the sink, we need organization.
So like in my head, I'm like, oh, here we go.
Like I just did our bathroom and that's where my, that's what works for me, especially in these winter months, when you can go stir crazy and you've watched everything on YouTube, everything.
Is there anything Dominic?
that you want to, I mean, I imagine rip sticking is hard in winter, although right now I'm sure you got plenty of pavement to utilize, unless you're just rip sticking through the house.
Is
there anything in the springtime you're looking at saying, I want to do this thing?
Anything?
Hmm, that's a good question.
I really want to know, actually, I've funny thing, I want to know how to knit.
There
you go.
I do my roommate does it and he shows me up every single time he's always like oh man look at this I can knit I'm like you got to be kidding me like I want to know how to do that and
Because you want to know or because it's really there's a weird competition
I want to know and I want to make something for other people I feel like that'd be really cool It'd be a really cool gift to give to other people and I know like I said my roommate my roommate did that for Overwinter he did it for Christmas gifts, and I was like wow that's a really good idea I want to know how to do the basic the basic
tools of knitting.
I think that'd be really cool.
I think that that's very, very cool.
Again, it's that skill.
And my mom, who is fantastic at that, she crocheted, she doesn't knit, but she crochets.
And for a long time, every year, she would make, she would sit down over the course of like a week or two and make 200 little.
Insane.
Hats for, for, for preemies.
She'd go to the children's hospital because it would take her all of 20 minutes to make one.
So she would just make them, make them, make them take a box of little, little, little hats for preemie babies at the, at the NICU.
She would do that.
Or she would make gloves or scarves and take them to the mission and because, and it's all those things.
Like she sits there and she watches TV and she just produces all this stuff because she wants, she wants to utilize her craft and she wants to help people.
And it's also about that staying active.
Winter is very easy to not be active when you live in Wisconsin or the Midwest.
So yeah, uh, I think that's fantastic.
I think that's great.
You should learn how to, you should learn how to knit.
You should learn how to knit without telling your roommate and then just walk and be like, check out these gloves.
No big whoop.
Yep.
He knitted.
And then you rip stick away.
You made like a huge blanket.
I was like, well, how did, how would you even know how to do this in like, he just started a few months ago.
I'm impressed with him.
I'm not going to tell him that, but I am.
You should know, Dom, you should tell him.
Tell him.
All right.
All right.
Tell him.
Young men telling each other they are impressed, especially with something like this.
That's important.
Tell him he's done a good job and then make something together.
Make it even bigger blanket.
Okay.
Huge fort.
Huge fort.
That's an idea right there.
That's a, that's a, not a billion dollar idea, but it's an idea nonetheless.
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Hope this advice is good because it comes from the gods above with the angels singing the praises What's interesting is that if okay, so we have something on this show called the secret show It's on the live stream.
It's between the commercials.
It's still FCC compliant It's user and family friendly, but we just talk about things off air of the radio that maybe we can't get to or is a little off topic So we talked today a lot
regarding like classic rock, specifically Pink Floyd and how I know way too much about that band.
You can always check The Secret Show by going on to the live stream and listening to what we're talking about.
You can be part of that conversation as well.
We got lots of great comments, whether it's tattoos, whether it's classic rock or where to go shopping for your thrifting.
We'll be talking more about thrifting tomorrow because I have some thoughts.
But during that live stream, during The Secret Show, we were talking about the fact that
Dom up in Madison wants to learn how to knit we talk about that during the audio sorbet But he said that he wouldn't compliment his roommate on the fact that what his roommates doing is really good and I you know my tip to you and to me is very simple nothing new but If you hear it you can do it today reach out to that person out there that you've been wanting to talk to for a while and tell them they're great Tell them you love them
Tell me you want to hang out, grab a cup of coffee.
If you have a friend who has a talent or doing a great thing, reach out out of nowhere and just be like, Hey, I saw that thing you did.
It's great.
Good work.
I'm proud of you.
I'm good.
I'm proud of you goes a long way as well.
I feel like, you know, in, in, in dom situation.
It's a little bit more of, I would say, am I wrong?
It's more of a young man rivalry machismo thing happening.
A little bit of a jealousy here and there.
Yes, I will admit it is.
Understood.
Those are feelings, and feelings must be felt, and how you deal with them is your own process, and I won't get in the way of that, and I will allow you to be valid and amazing.
But I do feel like we live in a society where we're so bogged down and so busy that we want to do those things and tell someone they're great, tell them we love them, and we don't.
Before we know it,
we might not have the opportunity.
I know this is nothing new, groundbreaking.
No one's giving me awards for psychiatric depth on what I'm talking about, but I think it's very important when we live in a society where there's so much access to media and so much access to each other via social media, our phones, whatever, and we continue to not use it to, as its intended purpose, it's to be social and to be...
forthcoming with our feelings.
So, and yeah, I don't know what our young man demographic is on this show.
I can't imagine it's a lot because, you know, the radio, but I'm hope they're, I hope they're here.
If you're listening, do that.
Tell your buddy that you're proud of them.
Tell your buddy they like, Hey man, you're doing great.
That thing, dare I say, you tell your buddy that you love them.
I'd make a, I make a huge deal about that with all my guy friends.
I'm a lot older than Dom.
but I still am a guy and we suffer from a lot of that stuff of how to express our emotions properly, how to accept compliments, but tell your friends you love them, tell your family you love them, tell them you're proud of them, reach out, say hi, let them feel seen.
That can be the difference in a day.
The amount of times I've gotten a message saying, oh my God, I didn't know, like, thank you.
This is like, I've been having a bad day.
This makes me feel so much better.
You can be that turning point for them on the day they are having.
So that's just my little handy tip.
reach out to the people you care about, reach out to the people love and tell them that they might not know it or realize it, but you do.
So let them in on the secret.
You love them.
It's great.
So that's a handy tip from Greg here on the big show this morning.
That was amazing.
I
love it.
I really, I really love, I really love that.
I feel like the
The gravity of the voices those angelic voices and harmony play one more time Totally undercut by what the advice was really because I'm really telling you whatever their show is telling you all the time because I just want people to be happy and healthy and get their feelings out because that's important to me but I hope it's important to you and I hope that you Do the same thing I'm about to do which is show gratitude.
I'm showing gratitude to Dom Tucker
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