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and why you're wrong if you like it.
Just putting it out there.
My show, I get to say what I want, it's trash.
But that today is National Carrot Cake Day.
I wanna know if you like it or not, and is there maybe a universally loved dessert or food that you just like, no, you're all wrong, and this is terrible.
But we'll talk more about that at 1035, and then we wrap the show up with a handy tip from Greg.
Today I'm talking to a boxer who may just need some advice on when and when not to wear a certain type of hat.
If you saw the news, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
That's all coming up in a little bit.
This is a topic I feel we're going to get calls and texts and comments from.
We've been talking about it a lot, and that is data centers.
They're not going away.
And we have had great discussions on folks who are standing up for what they believe is the right to protect their community, to protect their environment, and protect
their utility bill.
And to talk more about it is Tricia Boke from No Data Centers in DeForest.
This is a group that is working as a community to protect yourselves from the just, I want to say invasion.
That's not the word I want to use, but just like they are coming and they are here and that's what's happening.
But Tricia, you have great news to report on this, but let's start at the beginning.
Let's start about the story of what what's going on in deforest and how that created this group.
No data center deforest, which is a, just a wonderful mixture of community activists, community members who are saying with one voice, stop.
You don't even need me on.
You've got it covered right there.
Boom.
We're going home.
We're done for the day.
Thank you for having me.
I really wanted to talk about carrot cake too, but.
with this.
Sure, I had heard about the rumblings of it on social media, maybe on a different platform than Facebook.
I mean, that's mostly what I'm on.
But next floor is also there.
I started asking questions and the two answers that I kept hearing was it's too far gone.
You can't do anything about it.
It's a
done deal.
And also, we're so early in the process that we've got plenty of time.
You don't need to get excited about it.
So either way, it was, you know, let's not talk about this issue.
I ran into a wonderful woman, Rhonda Meinholtz, at a, she lives in Vienna.
And she was at my board meeting in DeForest.
And I'd already been trying to get people talking about this, but didn't really know.
She came and started talking about the data center and I was immediately on messenger on my phone trying to find her and message her.
And that is how it started.
Yeah, it was conversation that we had at this meeting and she had already kind of hooked up with a couple other people.
One who Sean was going to be on here and he couldn't make it today, but he lives across from the proposed site.
and then another woman, Nancy Roth, who lives on the other side of it in Dane.
And we, I pulled a couple other people in from people I knew from doing the recall here in the forest on Bill Landgraf, which was kind of what really got me forward into politics since, you know, our buddy Scott Walker years ago, which by the.
way he is responsible for what's happening in Wisconsin.
I'm not sure if you're going to be talking about that, but he's the kid that keeps on giving.
I can say that on the radio, right?
Yeah, of course.
So anyway, we started talking.
We got this group of five of us together in
in Rana's living room and every week since then and thereafter every single day I have been talking to a group of about eight or ten people on the regular who pulled everyone else into this army and now we're up to over 4,100 people on our Facebook group.
And a couple of things, let me, for the folks who don't know, give us an idea of where De Forest is in Wisconsin too.
That's it.
Sure.
So it's basically the intersection of Highway 19 and the interstate, interstate 90 between Wanakee and Sun Prairie.
So very close to Easttown, north of that.
If you guys are familiar with the cheese house, they're the mouse house.
Yeah.
That is where we are between that and then Pinkie the elephant, which is Vienna, which is just south of where.
That
is how I love Wisconsin so much.
We're like, go to the pinky elephant, go to the smiley bar and take a laugh, do the thing.
And that's how we do directions.
It's not just landmarks.
It's specific Wisconsin landmarks.
But, you know, you brought up something that was very, I think very important to say out loud, which is in this fight.
And if you, if you will land on the side that you are in, which is we want to fight to keep it from happening.
I think one of the
Main deterrence is it's just too big.
It's just, I mean, this is a, it's a multi-billion dollar company.
It's my city government.
It's government and business.
How do I do anything?
And looking at the page here for your, for your group, no data center, deforest.com on your about page with all the folks who are mainly involved.
I'm looking at your resume here or your bio, and it doesn't say a deep.
You don't you don't have experience in legislative affairs You don't have you're not a business leader as far as like a bill like you it's not about Where you come from?
It's about how these things affect you and you said you you watch this you sat down you read through it You talk to people and that's how you start and when you ask the quiet when you say the thing out loud of this is too big This is an example of yeah, it may seem big, but once you get folks together that you can accomplish a lot
Yeah, it's the it's the graphic that always shows the the little fish and then all of the little fish that make the big fish Yeah, and that's that's where we are We are the big fish all together working together to to fight the monstrosities and it is I mean, I don't want to say it's a win yet.
I'm gonna knock on wood
Yeah,
but tonight they are voting on it to turn it down and if anybody votes for it I think that there will be forks and daggers coming out after them so
Well, and that's, and that's what I wanted to touch upon too.
And if you're just joining us, we're talking to Trisha Bulkie, Bulkie, right?
It's
Bulkie.
Bulkie from
No Data Center DeForest, who their group is working to keep their, their work is to keep a specific data center out of their community in Wisconsin.
But we feel that this is an example of, and we've seen it too.
We've seen it in Caledonia.
We've seen it at other places where folks have stood up and said, no, thank you.
And these companies have moved on.
And it seems as
Right now, that is what's going to happen.
That seems QTS has put out a statement.
The local government has put out a statement.
It seems like this is where it's going as far as it will, it should be turned down.
Whether that will know more tonight.
But that is a massive victory, both for your group and for folks who are doing the same work around the country, maybe.
Absolutely.
Now that this is close to being over here in DeForest, the work is still going to go on because there is a history of other things happening in our community where other things have come in where the community has expressed a strong interest in not wanting it here and we have been ignored.
This was too big to give up on and it's happening all over the country as you mentioned and it's specifically in the Midwest.
more specifically in Wisconsin.
The fight will go on at the state level.
I will be a part of it, as will many other people that I have worked with over the last few months.
And Wisconsin Watch put out an article a couple of days ago regarding these secrecy deals that are being signed between the businesses and the lawmakers and anyone else involved, which is really keeping the details from coming out until almost not the last minute, but close to the last minute, which it's
I feel like in 2025, people said, data centers, what?
And then it was go and then everyone's on board now and the secret's out.
And now it's being discovered that these companies are coming in telling these lawmakers, you can't talk about this.
It's too good.
So you can't talk about it.
What is your experience with that?
How are you handling that conversation with lawmakers and folks who are concerned?
That is a great point.
Ironically,
there were no nondisclosure agreements that we were able to uncover
and they wouldn't
have been able to tell us that much at our local government if that had happened.
The NDAs were signed by the landowners.
They were not signed by us.
We don't know about Alliance.
I know that ATC, they have signed some and that is part of...
Why we didn't know but don't let that fool you
just
because they don't send those sign those doesn't mean that you some stuff is happening behind the scenes You really need to start paying attention now if you haven't already because if we keep turning these down They're gonna keep finding other communities that are gonna be blindsided if they're not paying attention
and I want to talk more about with more about that with you on the other side of the break but what I want to come to right now is What do you
In your community, we see a lot of folks who are, you know, we have lives and they have a lot going on.
And it's, we're saying it early, it's easy.
I can flip on 24 hour news networks and I can find out exactly what's happening in Washington, DC, exactly what's happening in New York, Los Angeles, wherever the hot news is coming out of the big city.
And not so often these issues are being talked about.
What was the opinion you were hearing from people who either went from not knowing to wait what now like how?
What was the evolution of the conversations of informing folks exactly what was happening in your community and how that would impact them?
Oh gosh, that is a loaded question I Don't even it's been such a blur grab that I can't even go back and remember some of
Yeah, I do know that
is we went from uh I think the day that the Facebook page started we went from about a hundred to a couple thousand within 24 hours and then over time you know like I said it shot up to oh just over four thousand uh people were
so upset about it and so scared of what DeForest has traditionally done behind the scenes about us knowing
that they
were paying attention as soon as we brought it to them.
And then they shared it widely and they were open and ready to show up at meetings and we've got people to talk that had never spoken before in front of a meeting.
You also touched on it earlier before we started recording I think about the fact that people
They were really concerned about the environment and their electrical bills.
So that was a big
thing.
We did get a comment from Alicia on the live stream saying, regarding electric bills, as it stands, whether you have data centers or not, they're expensive.
Her electric bill was over $300.
My mother-in-law's was over $400.
I feel like it almost had to hit the pocketbooks for people to really take notice and explain it in terms of these data centers will cost you money that you probably don't have right now or you can use for other things.
And that's a fantastic catalyst.
And when we come back, we're going to talk more about the fact that you
because of you staying aware of what's going on in your local community, town hall, city council, things like that.
That's what we need to do because we have other examples coming around and examples of folks who found out a little too late as well.
So it's about staying vigilant on what our lawmakers in our communities are doing so we can stand up and fight if we need to.
But more with Trisha Bulkie, who is from No Data Center to Forest, talking about the work they're doing to keep a data center out of their community and what you may do if you want to do the same,
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Lots still ahead including a frank and honest discussion about carrot cake.
It's national carrot cake day So I want to know your feelings if you disagree with me.
That's fine.
You're wrong point is is there also a food that's generally universally loved that you're just saying no, thank you No, thanks You can always be part of that conversation eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five civic leave a comment on the live stream we're Facebook
YouTube and the platform we still call Twitter.
If you want to leave a comment about what we're talking about right now, that would be great.
We are speaking to Trisha Boke from No Data Center to Forest, a group of community minded folks from all different backgrounds working to specifically keep a data center out of their neighborhood, out of their community.
And as we see right now, it's on the precipice of this being a victory for your group, because they are going to vote on it tonight.
It seems as if QTS has said no, has said,
Thanks, but no thanks.
They've written a letter.
It seems like everyone's in agreement that this will not be happening, but you will know everything this evening, correct, Trisha?
Yes.
Okay.
Now, the thing I want to get into in this final part of the discussion is something that
We're going to keep talking about forever because it's important.
And that is the fact that, you know, we know what's going on in Washington, Atlanta, Los Angeles, New York.
It's in the news all the time.
Everything's at Minneapolis.
We want to know what's happening there.
It's not saying it's bad not to hear that news, but it is very important to stay up to date on what's going on in your community.
And that's where local journalism really comes into play, whether it's the stuff we're doing here at Civic Media or your local newspaper.
But
Knowing what is on the agenda of your town hall, village hall, city council, county board, that's where the real work that directly affects you happens.
And Trisha, can you speak more to that as far as how people can get involved in just being aware of it?
Because again, people are busy.
They got kids, they got school, they got lives, jobs, two jobs, three jobs, and they may see it again as a daunting task.
How do you do that?
Like, where do you go just to start like, all right, I want to know what's on the agenda.
There we go.
I just want to know what's happening.
Yeah, so that can be really hard, depending on how forthcoming your local government wants to
and how talented they are, because our website is really hard to navigate and we have to do a lot of proactive.
on our end, which seems like it should be more on the other side of things.
We have to do the work to find that out.
I would say that most people probably don't have as an amazing boss as I do, and my boss happens to live into forest as well.
So that was helpful that I had a lot of time to do this, but I know most people don't.
We are starting to talk about how to move forward with this now that it took, like it took all of us
all a lot of time to get in front of this.
If you're in a different place, you know, unlike Port Washington, who I give a lot of credit for because if they hadn't been but they're before us, Jamesville hadn't been already talking about this before us.
If Everdam hadn't been doing this, I don't know that we would have been able to get in front of this as well as we could.
So
For other people, we want to pay it forward.
We don't want them to have to go through this.
We're talking about how do we get together, manage this, and then not put as much time into it as we are now, where it's more of a monitoring situation.
So you get out there, you make like maybe one of those groups where you can put a couple people in this slot, a couple people in that slot,
a
couple people in that slot at various board meetings to keep the rest of you in the loop.
you know, it just takes a little bit of dividing and conquering, I think, to sit on top of things.
And, and there's a statewide group that you can, you can join, pay attention to that we're developing.
You know, definitely, I would say anybody on our team would be willing to help you if you need some help trying to get started.
And I would also, you know, when it comes to that, you know,
depending on how transparent these local governments would like to be, they definitely have laws they have to follow as far as releasing agendas at a certain time.
I know that at least when I worked in local government, it was 48 hours was the absolute least amount of time, 24 if there was an emergency in which they would have to prove there was an emergency in local government.
People love to question that all the time, but also as far as like who represents you and who are your leaders and who
You may have or may not have voted as your voice in your local government.
You can go to myvote.wi.gov, put in all of your information.
It will give you everything from the President of the United States down to your dog catcher if you still vote for them.
It's going to give you phone numbers, addresses, email addresses.
It will tell you where you can find those you may have questions for because, again, if this is a county issue,
You talk to your county board supervisor.
If it's a municipality issue, you talk to whether it's your city counselor, town board representative, but those are the people you have conversations with.
And that is also where it starts.
And I would say, Trisha, if the transparency aspect or the difficulty with which these websites are navigated, that's also something to talk about with them as well, because I'll play naive.
Sometimes it's a concerted effort.
Sometimes people just don't know how to design a website, but it's also about saying out loud, we need the information.
So following up on these agendas, talking to your local leaders.
And as you said, getting together with like-minded folks and forming a group that has a goal in mind and you can see things happening really quick before we go, you mentioned Port Washington.
That is a story that developed where the folks found out they showed up and essentially the leader said, sorry, what's done.
What is a recourse for anyone or for them in this situation?
We only about about 30 seconds.
So make it fast make it brilliant
You might have to repeat that for me if I only have like 10 seconds now and I have time
Okay, well actually sorry that was my fault.
We're at about a minute now So we I'll tell you what I want to bring you back to the
Yeah, yeah.
And I want to talk about next time you come on, which will be sooner than later, I want to talk about places like Port Washington that stood up, but unfortunately stood up a little too late.
And we can talk about on the live stream a little bit too and get some answers.
But yeah, data centers are not going anywhere.
This movement's not going anywhere.
And we are going to talk more about this.
Trisha Bulkie has been my guest.
She's a part of No Data Center to Forest.
And really appreciate your time, Trisha.
Thank you so much for being here.
like you're having me bringing this out to the state.
Of course, of course, when we come back, Audio Sorbet, it's National Carrot Cake Day.
How does that make you feel?
I got opinions.
I've already told you them, but I want to hear from you.
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Tomorrow we got a really good show for you.
I believe, I believe it is.
I believe all of our shows are good Kelvin.
I think they're all wonderful.
We'll be speaking to Cam, who is a writer for toned discussing ice in Minneapolis and stories that they write regarding on what to do in those situations.
And also possibly right now I'm teasing it, a discussion with Senator Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin about the shutdown, partial shutdown in the government, which we really haven't covered a lot because it's like,
No one is, it's a partial shutdown.
It's hinging on funding.
We'll be talking about the DHS funding aspect of this, her thoughts on Kristi Noem, as well as just possibly a discussion on the amendment put forth by Brian Stile, which seeks to, he says, clarify and make elections great again.
We say it's about disenfranchisement as well as intimidation, but we should have that for you tomorrow, prerecorded, if all goes well.
If not, I'm going to blame it on me.
It's my fault.
I would have dropped the ball.
But yeah, Senator Tanning Baldwin on the show tomorrow talking about that as well as just other great stuff to discuss local news as well as just updates on, on all the topics we've been talking about earlier this past, this past month, all here on civic media, mid mornings, but now it's time for a portion of the pro program we call audio sorbet.
I don't know if you have it.
ready Calvin, but this also might just be with a side of audio gripe.
So today is national carrot cake day.
I don't know who is the criminal responsible for putting forth this piece of legislation who signed it into national law where we have to observe and bow down to what I believe is one of the
crash pieces of cake ever.
I think the only thing worse, I think Calvin, I think I know what I would eat.
I would rather eat less than carrot cake.
And that is German chocolate cake, disgusting.
But I want to know from you, your unvarnished opinion on carrot cake.
I know it's very silly, but it's a Tuesday and we're here to hang out.
But I also want to know, is there a food that has like a national day, something that's, that's universally lauded for being awesome that you're just like, can't get on board with, won't get on board with.
Cannot do will not do you can't make me at all 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 civic leave a comment on the live stream We're streaming on Facebook YouTube in the platform We used to call Twitter today's audio sorbet slash gripe is about carrot cake and your thoughts because it is national carrot cake day And what food does everyone else love that you just like and yeah, we've discussed this before I like I like catching up and following up and Tony on the live stream said
Was this a classic secret show conversation?
Yes, it was.
So if you watch on the live stream from time to time, we'll have what's called the secret show where we're talking to guests a little bit further into topics that we can't get on the air.
It's not exactly like spicy content.
It's just there's always so much to talk about.
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It'd be easy to say, okay, but I'm not so sure that's off the table.
He's on his way to becoming the first trillionaire.
And that kind of power only seeks more power and more influence.
So yeah, we spoke to no data center deforest earlier about the work they did.
And they are about 99% there of keeping a data center out of deforest.
And we're seeing more stories like that all over the state.
So yeah, if you want to go back and listen, go to civicmedia.us slash shows, look for a civic media mid mornings, download that conversation and listen to it anytime you like.
But yeah, the secret show is back Tony.
It is back.
But right now it's audio sorbet with a side of gripe.
We're talking about carrot cake.
We're talking about whether or not you like it.
Do you like it?
Dislike it?
Or is there a food that everyone else loves who you're like, you're all wrong.
Now, Cindy from Appleton is on the line.
Cindy, what do you say?
I know you got thoughts on data centers.
I'm happy to listen to them.
But first, your thoughts on carrot cake.
Well, I'll just pick for the carrot cake today.
OK.
I don't know how you could possibly hate carrot cake because you're getting the good with the bad.
I love carrot cake.
And to me, it's all about the frosting.
The better the frosting, the better the cake.
I feel like you've sold out to your own point when you used the word bad, Cindy.
When you have to sell me on the bad, is the bad the carrots?
No
Okay, all right, I'm sure because I love carrots.
I'll eat carrots, but I'll make I'll make a Cake shaped structure of just carrots I'll put hummus on top of that as it's frosting and I will eat that like crazy But yeah, it's just for some reason there's something about carrot cake that just makes me always go.
No thing I get it's like when you see oatmeal raising cookies instead of chocolate chip You're like, oh man seems like
That's things like bait and switch to me, but thank you so much for calling in Cindy.
Look, if you like it, you love it.
This is my thought always more for you.
That's what I say.
Alicia on the live stream says, you know what?
You and I may not agree on carrot cake, but I still think you're awesome.
Greg, I think you're awesome too, Alicia.
She also says quick trip has amazing, has delicious carrot cake.
And Jenny says,
See Adam's Bakery at the Milwaukee Public Market has a fantastic carrot cake.
All right, I'll take that's all for you to figure out and to listen to and to go out and do your thing.
I'm happy to be the person who gets the information to you when it comes to desserts.
And Tony also says quick trip has the best carrot cake.
All right.
Well, there you know, you know, they're everywhere.
So you can find carrot cake right now.
If you'd like, Ollie from the Northwoods is on the line.
Ollie, good morning to you.
What is your opinion on carrot cake or a food?
that everyone else loves, that you're just like, no, thank you.
Well, I do love carrot cake, but I will no thank you on macaroni and cheese.
And there is a national macaroni and cheese day, although it's debatable what day it is, but it's in July.
Calvin, can you do me a favor and look up national macaroni and cheese day?
I just want to find this out.
I'm fascinated by that statement, Ollie.
I have.
Why don't you like macaroni and cheese?
Was it like an experience or you just like no, I can't deal with
this I just like macaroni.
We had too much macaroni when I was a kid.
Ah, I see.
Macaroni and cheese is just over the top.
Would you eat it if, okay, so Go with me on this one.
So my wife, she likes to make a quote macaroni and cheese, but she doesn't use macaroni.
She uses different pastas.
Usually she'll use
the big tubular ones and a camera in the name off the top of my head.
Um, but it's not macaroni.
It's a different pasta selection.
Would you eat it then?
Probably not.
Probably.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
I get Irish.
Ali I get it and I respect it.
I understand that completely.
Thank you so much for calling in Ali on that by the way national macaroni and cheese day is July 14th Just actually the the birthday of one of my bestest friends in the entire world.
So that's amazing Thank you so much for calling in Ali Tony on the live stream says national macaroni and cheese day should be every day I don't disagree with that, but I do think that I Just once a week that way you can celebrate different versions.
I feel like every day then it
You might you might need a break, but I would say every week we celebrate one version of Macaroni and cheese and it doesn't have to even be macaroni It can be what you would like to to consume your cheese products with also Tony is a big fan of carrot cake.
So I guess we're done being friends Jill Jill on the line Jill on the text line listening in Oshkosh on W ISS love your show well
Jill, I love you too.
Thank you very much for listening.
I appreciate you being here.
Carrot cake is the best.
Making one now, I feel like she's making that because of me.
I said, I don't like it.
She's like, well, I'll show him.
Person, I just gave really nice compliments too.
And now I'm being like, eh, carrot cake is the worst.
Well, Jill, I'm sure yours is amazing.
And I'm sure it will go quickly.
And I'm sure that people are very excited because they're like, wait, Jill's making a carrot cake?
Her famous carrot cake?
The best in the Fox Valley?
Yes.
So.
I wish you nothing but luck and good baking.
Liz from Salkville, listening on WAUK.
I love carrot cake, the cream cheese.
Okay, so okay, you don't love carrot cake.
Here's the crux of the discussion for me, Calvin.
You don't like carrot cake.
You love cream cheese frosting, which is also fine.
I would just eat salsa directly from the jar.
I don't need chips.
It's just a conduit to get the said topping to your face.
You don't like carrot cake.
You love the frosting Calvin.
I'm not wrong.
I'm not wrong.
I Don't know if you're completely wrong, but I will say a Chocolate cake or a yellow cake with no frosting is not gonna be as good as with frosting either.
Well, and that's what I'm saying is that I really feel like most cakes If I just gave you a piece of cake like treat it like like I baked cake and nothing
I think you're less apt to eat it.
Now.
Correct.
So I don't think noting the cream cheese as a plus is really that big of a knock on carrot cake itself.
I think it's just a knock on cake in general.
And that's fine.
That's a bigger conversation we can have in the future.
But I'm saying is that when people talk about how much they love this trash dessert, they're talking about the cream cheese frosting, which yes, cream cheese frosting is amazing.
Yeah.
I just don't think you like the actual carrot cake portion.
Roger and Steven's point listening on the air saying, I don't consume carrot cake either.
Thank you, Roger.
I knew I had an ally in you.
Sunday was dark chocolate day.
My wife received a nice special dark chocolate bar.
That's awesome.
I grew to love dark chocolate.
When I was a kid, I thought it was too bitter.
And then my palate developed.
And now I enjoy like a little bit here and there.
Don't eat bars of it because, you know, good Lord.
But yeah, I love.
A piece of dark chocolate.
That's super tasty.
Delicious.
Jenny on the live stream says, my least favorite thing to eat that everyone else loves is cake.
Carrot cake, pineapple ups.
I've never had pineapple upside down cake.
And cheesecake are the only exceptions.
And not even one of them is actual cake.
All right.
I've never had pineapple upside down cake, Jenny.
I would try that because it always looks delicious because I love pineapple as well.
Tony says, I take the frosting off my kid's birthday cakes.
I like the actual cake.
I do.
Love cream cheese frosting.
Okay.
All right.
It takes all types.
I respect everyone's opinions.
And Alicia makes the very, very bold claim.
It's true.
Well, bread is also just the conduit that holds the inside of a sandwich.
Agreed.
Cause it's not of good company and acceptable in.
polite conversations.
You just take a piece of ham and put a piece of cheese on top and shove it in your mouth.
Even though that's really what you're doing with a fancy little suit, that is the bread.
And Jenny gets the last comment is those, those three types of cakes get a pass because their consistency is not cake.
If I wanted cake, go eat something else better like a brownie.
All right.
There you go.
Boom.
Putting it down right there.
Jenny on the live stream.
Thank you everyone for reaching out when we come back.
A handy tip from Greg.
to a boxer out there who needs to learn about what to wear in the ring.
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Today's handy tip, you know, if you're looking at me right now in the live stream, you know I'm not a sportsman.
I'm not an athlete, but what I do know is about good choices.
And American boxer Jarrell Miller, though he won his heavyweight boxing match this past weekend in New York at the famed Madison Square Garden, what he did lose was his hairpiece.
He was wearing a toupee on his head and due to a series of punches to the face, Mr. Jarrell, Mr. Miller lost his hairpiece.
If you watch the video, you can see it coming out.
coming off in real time when he faced his opponent Kingsley eBay or eBay.
I think it's eBay.
This past weekend, he won the match, won the bout.
That's great.
Congratulations.
Go see your doctor.
I would just say this, look, and this is, and this is for anybody who's going through hair journeys, whether it's you're struggling with hair loss, thinning,
Go in gray.
However that is for you.
I understand you And I think we live in a much more transformative and accepting time.
So this is what I will say to mr. Miller When you go in the ring Completely shave your head bald when you're outside the ring wear the toupee Get extensions do whatever you want.
I mean it can be a daily thing a weekly thing But I would say don't wear the toupee in a boxing ring that can and now we know that whomever you got that from
They're not good under pressure.
Don't take it swimming.
We don't know.
But what I do love about it is there was a fun attitude regarding he knew it was happening.
He was trying to cover his head at first, but I think he just let it happen.
They pulled it off and then they put it on a chair in the outside the ring.
As if to say it's the best ring, the best seat in the house.
I loved the attitude towards it.
He didn't deny it.
He accepted it and then he had fun with it.
But I would say this, you're a boxer.
You're an athlete.
You're probably very rich too.
Play with the look, man.
Wear it to pay if you'd like.
I support that 1000%.
But then some days don't wear it.
It's glued on, it's not surgically attached.
Those are the new glue on ones for people out there to pay technology has come a long way since the 80s and 70s when we saw guys on TV shows and movies like putting their hands on their heads when there was a high wind.
It's really come along, but I support your hair journey no matter what it is.
But I say, vary it up, Mr. Miller.
One day in the ring,
totally bald, mohawk, do what you like.
But I say, don't just go with a toupee, go with all sorts of looks.
That's my handy tip from Greg to you, Mr. Miller.
And that goes out to anyone out there who is on a hair journey.
I believe in you, I see you, you're beautiful regardless, but have fun, varied up, and just live your life.
That's what I say.
That's a handy tip from Greg for you today.
All right, folks, Calvin, did you have a fun time today?
Did you learn a lot?
Did we, it was about the friends we made along the way.
It's always about the journey instead of the destination.
Exactly.
And that journey will take us to our show tomorrow.
As we said, we'll be talking to a writer discussing the topic of ice in their neighborhood and what they can do and what they have done to help give advice to those facing the situation.
We'll also be
At this point, it is on the schedule to talk to US Senator Tammy Baldwin about the DHS funding aspect of the partial shutdown.
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Thank you very much.
I appreciate you always and every day.
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