On this episode of the Wisconsin Forward podcast, host Matt Rothschild pursues the topic of the so-called urban-rural divide with two guests: Mike McCabe, who wrote Blue Jeans in High Places, and with Bill Hogseth, organizing director of a group called GROWW, which stands for Grassroots Organizing of Western Wisconsin. Is the divide real, or is it made up? Listen and decide for yourself!

Wisconsin Forward tells stories from one of the nation's most closely contested swing state. Host Matt Rothschild looks to explain the background on a number of issues across Wisconsin, including the seemingly split personality the state presents in electoral politics, the results of political gerrymandering, and many more. This multipart series will take a deeper look into Wisconsin politics, featuring voices from around the state and the Civic Media network, to provide the context of our complex swing state and provide some insight on how the state can move forward.

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