Desperado

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Desperado

Truth in The Morning · Thu Jul 23, 2026

great morning troop nation welcome to truth in the morning on the award-winning one oh one seven the truth we are broadcasting live inside the American family insurance studio in the heart of downtown at the avenue I'm the legendary home of blow along with the girl Bailey

Coleman

great morning Bailey how are you doing and feeling this morning

I am great how are you

frustrated

So, you know, we got

all this money you spending out here.

Yeah.

Money put in

these

streets.

Literally.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm I'm frustrated because.

Well.

The shootings.

Yeah.

And, you know, after getting those numbers that we talked about on yesterday,

how much it cost.

Yeah.

Non-fatal shooting non-fatal shooting

six hundred and forty four thousand dollars.

But each non-fatal right in some change in some change.

OK.

And then if for every homicide every every say every other.

They say, you know,

every five

homicides

every five or

something.

It's two million dollars

per person per

homicide.

Damn.

and so you know we were when we got that information you know talking about the effects

that it

has and like at least 50 people are affected by I believe that number is much higher

yes

but you know because you know when you hear about it when you have to see it when you have to drive by it

right

down the street from you right somebody got shot you know and

A lot of people think the words would be like they did and sometimes they it's a non-fatal shooting,

right?

But you're unfortunately so put into this bubble that whenever you hear

somebody

got shot you

they did They did or they land in

the street still,

you know me or or you know, oh man, you know, they got somebody got shot, but listen What you what is shocking is when you hear the amount of money it costs, right?

$644,000 for non fatal shootings right per person How much will I homicide?

Two million dollars,

okay, so Here's Say another word won't do it Stay in order.

Come

on.

I stay in order.

Let it go.

Let's stay in order.

Let it

go

We're gonna be talking about something else.

We're gonna go in depth with something else first, but but we're gonna talk about this, but I just need people to understand that on Monday on Monday,

yes

The city of Milwaukee Had to pay five million eight hundred and sixty four thousand

dollars

Because you know six wounded and you

know, right

homicide,

right?

Then you got yesterday The numbers just Keep on rolling in and not in a good way.

Okay.

All right, so Headline Milwaukee shootings Wednesday one dead and six wounded

Did you get your calculator going on that one got it?

Gotting five

million.

Mm-hmm

864,000.

There it is.

Damn.

Mm-hmm

Just two of the days.

Yes

Just two of the days out this week.

Yeah, we talked, you know what I'm

saying?

Yeah, and we

we didn't even add if you know

What happened Tuesday, you know what I'm saying?

And

then the week begins on Sunday.

Yeah.

I ain't even added that math.

Mm-hmm.

I put the calculator out.

I'm like, no.

Mm-mm.

Mm-mm.

Mm-mm.

See?

So, and who pay for it, Bailey?

We do.

And you wonder why they saying that they may need to raise taxes for this and raise taxes for

that tax money going.

Yeah, and you

y'all think it's y'all think it's on You know about food vouchers and all the things

about and all

that That ain't really it that ain't really stress the surface right Yeah, and

so the thing is if we as a community don't you know

we

We often talk about and about what some elected officials are or aren't doing right, right?

But what can we really say that we are doing in our own communities?

To stop the violence stop this madness stop the shooting.

What are we doing?

Mm-hmm because it takes a collaborative effort in order to get this to work You know, we have to have the support

for our, uh, CBIs, community violence, interrupters, uh, that, that's like when you hear things, uh, you know, Milwaukee peacekeepers, um, credible messengers for one for life, you know, the organizations like that.

And.

Like they can, can you imagine if that funding.

Was put into those organizations, right?

And we didn't have to have as many non-fatal shootings.

We didn't have to have the homicides that are happening because we got enough people that are able to be employed to really deploy numbers of them in different areas because we have a lot of different areas that this happens with.

That's the situation I was telling you about, Bailey.

I'm going to turn this so you can see it.

It just popped up.

Hmm.

It just popped up.

Hmm.

Interesting, isn't

it?

So, but yeah, so I just like I'd rather know that if these organizations are working, then I'd rather know that it's not going to even take the amount of money that we're paying for every homicide.

The amount of money that we're paying for every non fatal shooting where you're talking about in a One week period one week period We're paying Probably 11

million dollars Wow It's that crazy.

That's crazy Wow one week one week

And I'm gonna I'll pull it up during the break, but it's like

If anybody else I got shot and killed besides on the Monday report and the report from Wednesday That's crazy like yeah, that's that's you know, and we have to do better like I say

We can't like this woman.

Cosetta Burrell that allegedly, you know, shot the 12 year old and she told my she a community hero.

A community

hero.

We got

we got a 12 year old over dispute over bottom water.

And she hunted him down

like like.

This is my turf and you are not going to.

This is the city's median.

Well, first of all, you're supposed to be grown.

How old is she?

Oh, listen.

Let these babies out here.

Let them out here.

Let them sell their little water and do their thing.

This is a kid job.

What are you doing?

What are you doing?

And how are you going to shoot a 12 year old kid?

Right.

She is 33 years old, old enough to know better.

That part.

33 years old.

Bailey,

she had just got out

of jail out of prison 11 days earlier.

On like July 7th.

For what?

What was she in there for?

Stupidity?

She's a

habitual

criminality

repeater.

How you gonna shoot a 12 year old

child?

Over a spot to sell water bottles.

Ain't nobody gonna buy no water bottles from you You buying from the kids cuz they kids

She faces 22 counts.

Yes.

Yes.

And

yeah.

I know my people.

Every time.

Every time.

Yeah.

I mean, clearly she ain't got no sense.

She led the police on a high speed

chase.

four kids in the backseat.

I bet they wasn't even strapped in.

No, of course not.

And two of them were allegedly hers.

They were in the black seat crying and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, they need they need to be taken from her.

They need to go to a. Well, I don't know.

And

she's listen, I

got the

criminal complaint, right?

We're going to have to read some of it.

Listen.

We got

it's gonna upset you this and she had the nerve The audacity after being arrested right

wait wait wait wait wait wait we gotta take a break We just go to break we gonna have to come back.

We're gonna talk about this We can't cuz when we come back we gonna talk about this this lady.

I don't know yeah

She faces 22 counts.

So we got to air this out.

She shouldn't have

been out.

You know

what?

I'm ready to air it out because she shot a 12 year old child.

A 12 year old.

And she hunted him.

She hunted him down.

Over a water bottle.

Where is she?

A water bottle.

12 years old.

Are you 33?

33?

Three three.

He

bullied my son.

Well, water bottles.

And her baby's probably sitting there going, my it's really not that serious.

You know, her kids were just saying, welcome home, mom.

Welcome home, PWK.

Welcome home, PWK.

Welcome home.

OK.

PWK is going away again.

No, that PWK was like, how much are you bringing in with that?

We're selling them water bottles.

All right, we finna get the good spot.

And no, they ain't finna, uh-uh, we getting the good spot.

She took over her kid's money and put them out there, dad, she out there watching them sell, making sure they bring so much back.

That's family income that's household income,

you know And of course, you know, we know We got it.

We got to stay here now, but Sometimes during the show this morning.

We're gonna talk about David Crowley linked to social media account that made crude comments We're gonna we're gonna deal with it.

We're gonna talk about the Madison

Police shooting.

Yeah,

and the protests that are going on up in Madison.

Yeah, Madison ain't playing now.

Yeah, they

playing with

you.

That was the video where they went up to.

They got a nice King Drive up there.

You seen them?

Yes.

Yes.

Have you rolled them?

I was like, wow.

Mm hmm.

They got a nice King Drive up here.

Woohoo.

Look at Madison.

Well, you know,

it's a nice one up there.

Roswell is working.

A lot of

stuff that

used to be nice.

It buildings are now businesses.

There's rolls right up to the cap.

I know.

I mean, I'm not so nice.

I'm trying to hold my head up.

Now we got to

take care of some bills.

I'm trying to hold my head up with our couple of reasons,

but baby said, but there's, I'm like, I get it, I get it.

I mean, I'm not saying ours ain't good.

We got, we have a nice one too.

And it's getting a lot better.

There's

a

lot of improvements going on over there.

Right, right, right, right.

Uh, especially from Burlai on that, it's, it's really, yeah.

Yeah.

But listen.

They go all the way up to the Capitol.

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That's about what it sounds like our producer Xavier.

Unfortunately, that's about what it sounds like here in the city and about the money that is costing us.

It is also crazy

and your girl Bailey Coleman.

I'm here too.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm

just want to remind you.

Yeah, cuz I'm just taking a black and I pulled up this Cassetta Octavia Burrell who is charged with 21 counts for

the

shooting 22.

That's right.

Point two counts.

Let's make sure we give her all her

cash.

Yeah, this is a 15-page.

I'm not reading all of it, but it's a 15-page criminal complaint.

Nine and a half of the pages are her charges.

Oh, nine and a half.

Nine and a half.

I heard charges.

I heard charges.

Because it says here that she has a history.

Habitual criminality repeater.

You're not going to jail.

You're going to prison.

That's it.

But she just got out of prison they say here seven days earlier

Institutionalized

She's got a history of criminal convictions going back years.

What can we say?

And it says something about her girlfriend in here So yeah,

she's prohibited from having a gun.

Yeah, but she she went and got a gun from her girlfriend

and listen

She's still waiting to go to trial on another family case.

Yep So yeah, like I say nine and a half other criminal pages of the criminal complaint is just her 22 charges But this is This is crazy.

Let me let me just kind of go to what she was saying

Where she was talking about she a hero the community loves her and she did what she needed to do and then but to be in jail and on your Call that you know is recorded they tell you if you receive the call that it's being recorded.

Yes.

Yes, so

You know yes that this call is being recorded.

Okay, and you still chose to Say some incriminating things on the phone But let me get to where she was talking about she's a hero And that the community

hello, she's been out

11 days.

Oh, she

she was released from not jail

She was released from prison

11 days earlier.

Before

this incident.

Yeah.

Well,

I think she may have another girlfriend inside there that she's trying to get black to.

I don't know because

it's her girlfriend out here that she got the weapon

from.

I'm just saying.

Check down a 12 year old child.

Hunter them down Talking about she Aimed a gun around the kids feet now.

It is noted that the 12 year olds injury was above the knee.

Hmm Other shots that were fired because she fired like

that.

Yeah, it's better right better

right with feet She didn't point it so she didn't point it to feet.

There were other bullet holes in and

she got a weave on nice

Eyebrows arch ready to go You

know, it's so crazy

together She first

Burrell said prior to the shooting

Uh, was with her friend, Cassie.

Uh, Burrell stated that Cassie brought the black firearm with her and put it in the center of arm rest area of the Nissan.

So after that, Burrell stated that prior to the shooting, when she first saw JJV, which

is

the initials of the 12 year old, um, Cassie, her girlfriend told her to grab the pistol.

and Burrell stated that Cassie exited the Nissan and threatened to assault JJV prior to Castella Burrell grabbing the gun.

Now, let's see, who are identified.

I want to get to where she was saying that community feels like she was a hero.

She really feels like, you know,

People are supporting her

Yeah, this is

a hero because she shot him

because she got that that That child mm-hmm the 12 year old child mm-hmm.

She made him move off of her area For her child to go sell they what about

right?

Now it's also saying like when they remove the kids out of the car mm-hmm it said The officers said all of the children were crying

and visibly shaken upon being removed from the vehicle, although none had any present and observable physical injuries.

They

were all crying and shaking up as they were being taken out of the car.

The vehicle itself, which was reported stolen by TNH was significantly damaged during the pursuit.

TNH had called Milwaukee Police Department District 7 to report her car being stolen after getting out.

That's, is that her girlfriend, TNA?

No,

her

girlfriend was Cassie.

Okay.

Is that a company or something?

TNA?

I'm not sure.

Okay.

Because

it's only the initials.

Oh,

okay.

They, you know,

so they only, uh, just like when there are, if they have victims, unless the person is deceased, then it'll say the person's full name.

Okay.

But

other than that.

any other witnesses or people that

are giving their

statements are going to just give you the sometimes just the first and last initial.

Okay.

Sometimes they'll do the first, middle and last name.

Okay.

So that's how that goes.

Now, let's let's get to her talking on the jail phone.

Okay.

On July 19th, 2026 at 934 AM.

She ended up saying on this phone call, not even an hour after I got my groceries, those MFs got behind me and I took them on one.

I took them on one for like 15 minutes.

I went through the hood and everything.

I told the kids, put your seat belts on.

I ain't stopping.

I tried to get rid of that little demo.

Uh, they found it.

She was talking about the gun.

They found it.

They saw me throw it.

I effed up.

I should have just punched in his sugar honey iced tea.

I should have just punched him in his sugar honey iced tea.

That's nice language.

I lost my temper in reference to the parents of the children in her car being upset about taking their children on a high speed chase.

The two little boys they got in, I was trying to help them get their MF money.

I was trying to help them get that money.

So she.

She said, uh, the mama's, the mama's know me.

Okay.

I'm wrong for taking them on a high speed, but I had to get rid of this sugar, honey, ice tea.

I'm not going to pull over.

I had to get rid of sugar, honey, ice tea.

I understand they're mad, but in reference to the child she shot.

Uh, this ain't your corner.

Yeah.

I don't know who the F raised you, but they raised you wrong.

Don't don't raise you right.

They didn't raise you right.

I'm going to show you right.

Wow.

Then on July 19th at 10, 23 AM, another phone call.

Pharrell, again, again, admits to driving around with the kids in her car, looking for the child that she eventually shot.

Harrell

said that she's a hero and the entire community agrees that she's a hero.

She said this on the call.

Yeah, I'm just saying.

Then on July 19th, 2026 at 1046 a.m.

and talking about the child victim, she said, you know, I feel bad and I always feel bad, but I also feel like this is an eye opener.

And these kids need to stop doing that sugar, honey, ice tea.

They're lying on the internet.

The boy is 14, not 12.

He's so big and so obese, like titty sagging and sugar, honey, ice tea.

Wow.

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We are currently talking about the 33 year old woman that shot.

I don't know how much more allegedly we say shot.

He was shot.

Um, she's not denying that she shot him.

Um, so, but yeah, that.

Cassetta Burrell.

Is that what you call standing on business?

She got that in the criminal complaint.

She said she was standing on business.

Yep.

Mm hmm.

He 12 now.

Let me get it right.

He 12.

Well,

to her, he 14, he ain't 12.

But all documents says,

okay, he forfeit.

He's

standing on business.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, True Nation, we want to hear from you.

What is what is your thoughts with this situation?

833.

It

don't sound like she's gonna get out no time soon.

I mean, she shouldn't.

Yeah, she, uh, she brought her ticket to prison.

Maybe she is trying to get back in.

I don't know.

Yeah, she just got out.

I

mean, 11 days earlier.

So her kids were saying, welcome home.

Welcome home.

Yeah.

PWK.

Welcome home.

PWK.

It's our PWK mom.

And now we're part of it.

Then poor kids.

They don't, you know what?

They need an intervention in their lives real quick before they do the same thing.

Yeah.

Before

they do the same thing.

It's so crazy.

It is.

Listen, just going through this and as they talked about the route of the chase.

What else is she saying on the phone call?

I read three of the actual

tree of

all three of them that they documented.

But yeah, she she should have never been let out and still

facing charges at that on something else.

Did you find any any of her other any of the other things she was up for?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can.

Oh, yeah.

Let's hear what

else she.

Oh,

and so

so she, you know, just I'm just read all of the things that she is.

charged with out with these 22 charges and and to go black to catch the other ones.

I'll go right to the bottom because it talks about other things that she's already still as to the bail jumping at the time of the offense.

Cosetta Burrell is on an open felony case in Milwaukee County where Burrell is charged with identity theft for financial gain.

The case went through intake court.

On November 7, 2025 on that date the defendant was issued cash bail in order to commit no new law violations, which was Which rise to the level of probable cause that condition remains in place

as of the

date of charging of this new offense on

January 27 2023.

Burrell was found guilty of physical abuse of a child intentional causation of bodily harm, a class H felony in the state of Wisconsin.

Subsequent to that finding, Burrell was placed on probation.

She was revoked from that probation and taken into custody on August 15th of 2024.

So she was black in prison.

Okay.

Burrell remained in custody until July 7th.

Oh,

wow.

2026.

Wow.

So from August 15th, 2024, she was black in prison.

Wow.

She got out on July 7th of 2026.

Wow.

And 11 days.

11.

11.

Yeah.

11.

Institutionalized.

You know, you got it.

11.

Yeah,

I mean.

You know, there

was an old

school show called Prisoner and Cell Block D or something like that.

Right.

Do you love me, darling?

You know, they holler at each other from different cells.

But yes, let me go to the current charges now.

Count one first degree reckless injury habitual criminality repeater use of a dangerous weapon count to physical abuse of a child intentional causation of great bodily harm habitual criminality repeater use of a dangerous weapon

count three first degree recklessly endangering safety habitual criminality repeater.

Okay, use

of a dangerous weapon.

Oh, count for

possession of a fire.

Oh, yeah, she's not supposed to have the weapon

possession of a firearm.

I fell in habitual habitual criminality

repeater.

Count five second degree recklessly endangering safety habitual criminality repeater use of a dangerous weapon.

Count six second degree recklessly endangering safety habitual criminality repeater use of a dangerous weapon.

Uh huh.

Count seven second degree recklessly endangering safety habitual criminality repeater use of a dangerous weapon.

Count eight second degree recklessly endangering safety habitual criminality repeater use of a dangerous weapon.

Count nine again.

Second degree same charge.

Second degree count nine is same same charge.

Count 10 same charge.

County 11, same charge.

Count 12, same charge.

Count 13, same charge.

Count 14, same charge.

Count 15.

Ain't nobody finna let you out.

Count 16, neglecting a child, specified harm did not occur, habitual criminality repeater.

Dean hang on for a moment.

Don't go nowhere.

Don't

go

nowhere.

Before we get ready to go to our break.

So when it was on count 18, the danger and safety habitual criminality repeater.

Let's see 16 neglecting 17 neglecting the

child.

18 neglecting a child

was at the 14 year old in the 12

that this

all of the other kids that was in

the car.

Okay.

All right.

Right.

Right.

Right.

19 neglecting a child specified.

I did

not occur

habitual criminality.

Count 20 first degree recklessly endangering safety habitual criminality

repeater.

Count 21

vehicle

operator.

21.

Officer causing damage to property abitual criminality.

Oh, yeah.

Count 22 bail jumping felony.

Oh, that's abitual

criminality

repeater.

Wow.

And those are the 22

charges.

22, not 23.

Right.

And this is not including the one that she was already scheduled.

Yeah, she was scheduled for.

That was a felony.

Yeah, all of these

are felons.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

All of

them.

Yeah.

Not an M in there,

Mr. Meter.

So her kids was like, welcome home, BWK.

And she said, hey, y'all, let's go commit some more crimes.

Get in the back of the car.

I'll show you how to do it.

Y'all didn't miss me.

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You asking me today?

You know how much stuff

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Yeah, I

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Yeah, I know when

I'd asked initially, it was like...

I sent it out, though.

You said correct people, you know, yeah, yeah, it would

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That's how that works.

That's right.

That

part that part that part

So again, true talk text lines are open 833-212-1017.

Just the.

All of the ignorance surrounding that particular situation.

I mean, you almost have to just.

Just chuckle a little bit because it's, you know, not that we're the whole deal with the 12 year old and all of the and the kids.

That's not funny.

That's, you know what?

That will make you.

you know,

I needed

to call that she gets all that the law will allow.

Yeah, I needed to call.

But it's just did

her comment.

On our YouTube page, she said, take your child to work on a whole different level.

Oh, that's so true.

Let me take you to work today.

Take a child to work.

Hey, y'all want to see how mama keep going to prison?

This is a family of

family.

I'm sorry, nothing beats.

Welcome home, PWK.

Welcome home.

All right now, I'm going to show y'all how I got there.

How did we get here?

Listen now y'all buckle up and she told me to put the seatbelt

on.

She told me I ain't stop.

What's wrong with your people?

I just want to know what's wrong with your people.

Y'all two nation we need to hear 833-212-1017.

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We need to hear from you because this is.

Yeah.

It's too much.

It's too much.

So I believe we have somebody that's coming in on our true talk.

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Ron, great morning.

We love you.

We appreciate you.

You hear this situation.

What's your

truth?

Yeah, good morning.

Thank you for taking my call.

You know, when I first heard the story,

I know I guess some people can find a little humor in it.

I can't find any humor in this thing because this young man and this woman is blessed that he's not dead because if she would have shot him in a main artery, he would have bled out and all that.

Now, to my understanding, you know, this young man saw these young boys selling water.

He decided to take the water and money and all that, and a woman came and got a call from one of the kids, and then she went in.

like Bailey said, hunting him down, and they got into an argument, and she pulled a firearm and shot him.

Like I said, he's blessed to be alive, and she's blessed that he's not dead.

So the little time that she is going to get, and it was a little time, the parents could murder.

That's why I say it's a little time.

But we always talk about how the young people go around here, and they don't have nothing to do, and they get in all type of trouble.

In an ironic way, she might have saved his life, because when he's still in war today, he could be doing something crazier tomorrow.

And that's all I want to say.

I'm not giving her any talks or anything like that.

But from my point of where I sit, she was dead wrong for doing that.

But you got to leave people alone.

These kids are trying to earn water.

So whenever he see a bottle of water, if you want to laugh, whenever this young man see a bottle of water, he probably be shaking in his boots.

He ain't going to do that again.

Peace.

All right.

Thank you,

Rob, for your truth.

Understand this.

We're not, like we said before, we're not.

Making fun of or we weren't joking about What she did to him at all there are and I think we mentioned this earlier we

started with how the seriousness of it

Yeah, and what could happen not you know to the kids not just to the kid that she shot the 12 year old but also to the kids who were the back of the car Crying and shaking and she is gonna get some time

Yeah, because she got other stuff already.

Yeah, so it's gonna be a lot

more.

She's gonna get some

time.

Yeah, let me let me go black and just kind of let you hear brother what she's facing on all of these different charges on.

All of the ones and you heard how many I said, first degree reckless injury.

So there's 22 charges.

Right.

Class D felony on that charge, $100,000 fine, 25 years in prison or both.

All right.

Uh, for the other charge, uh, just going in and going with the, uh, penalties for them.

Class C felony for the second charge.

All right.

Physical abuse of a child intentional causation of great bodily harm.

She's facing a $100,000 fine or 40 years in prison or both.

Yeah.

Just in those

two charges.

She's facing 65 years.

She's gonna get some

time.

All right.

Just in those two.

So and I'm just saying this on the little time, thinking of little time, she's a habitual criminality repeater.

Yes.

On the third charge class F felony, $25,000 fine, 12 year, 12 and a half years in prison or both.

We go to the next one, class G felony, $25,000 fine, 10 years in prison or both.

Oh.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Let me also add for each of those that I've read.

She's facing if she's found guilty, she's facing additional six years.

Wisconsin statue penalty enhancer and an additional four years penalty enhancer.

And that's on just the first several charges.

So

I'm talking about when you look at The first charge all right the first charge where she's facing 25 years and not to mention the hundred thousand dollar fine, okay and With that she's also facing an additional six years if she's found guilty on that and additional five years these are

Penalty enhancers.

It's just like for using a dangerous weapon while committing a crime.

You get an automatic five year penalty added on to it.

So you're talking about from it saying that it's going to be 25 years to now what 30 something years.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah.

So yeah.

And that's just the first charge.

Now think about the one where she's facing 40 years.

Right.

The penalty enhancers.

She's facing an additional.

Five years on one and another six years on another one So I hear you that she ain't gonna get that much time.

No,

they

tired of her

ass.

Yeah,

they tired

get some time.

Yeah, they tired they tired

and

And listen the lesson should be taught that again if you she hunted him down.

Yes

You're

going to say a 12 year old child and

grab and don't get me wrong.

I know it's some out of order 12 year olds and 10 year olds.

I'm not

excusing and passing none of them by, but when you listen, she documented how it went down.

Hmm.

Her girlfriend grabbed a gun.

Yep.

Put it in the middle of the armrest in the vehicle that they were in.

She got

out.

She put, you know, she's searching for him now.

Now she's searching

for him.

That's, you know, that's like hunting somebody down.

You're a 33 year old woman.

How you hunting down a 12 year old child over some water, right?

Or where to sell some water?

Yeah,

it is not that serious.

Other charges she's facing 10 years and then the penalty enhancers of five years and four years.

So and this is on each charge.

She's got two.

Penalty enhancers on whatever the time that she's facing it found guilty of that charge.

So if it's 10 years

Uh, the penalty enhancers on the one where it's on the ones where she's facing 10 years on charges.

It's a four and a five year penalty enhancer, two different penalty enhancers that add another nine years to that 10 years.

That's crazy.

And we're not saying that they're going to get all of the 10 years.

Right.

They may get six, but then they got those penalty enhancers because they were found guilty.

Yeah.

So yeah, she ain't getting out no time soon as she shouldn't.

Nope.

And.

I understand that, you know, we get upset.

We get all of those things.

We get all those things.

We get upset, frustrated.

That's why I tell people, you know, get your damn kids.

I say it.

I say it all the time.

You do.

So we got to take care of some pills.

Listen, true nation.

When we come back, we got to talk about the David Crowley.

Let's talk about Madison first and David Crowley stuff.

OK.

about what's going on in Madison.

Yeah, because that's

the lineup that I gave.

But yeah, I know.

So we're gonna.

No, I'm saying that's the Madison of the Madison.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

So so we we're going to Madison.

Get your thoughts.

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That was a great story, right?

My mom and dad just go to Riverside University.

That was kind of scary.

That's real scary, wasn't it?

What?

That was real scary.

Hiding in the dark, talking like that?

Exactly.

That's a little, I'm a little concerned.

Hiding in the dark?

What do you know with hiding in the dark, talking like that?

Well, you're trying to scare someone.

No, I'm not.

I wouldn't try to scare them.

Oh, you don't like to scare people?

No.

Xavier, do we have Mrs. Blow's number?

We might want to give her a call.

She might want to check, have him check.

Get up.

She always says she should get a check for me.

No, not a check.

Checked out.

But anyway.

You're gonna learn today.

So now there's a situation with Madison police and there's some protests that are going on.

Yes,

because on yesterday.

Yes

up in Madison There was a man shot and killed by Madison police There was a struggle

hanging out with the ice agents or what we had going on

We're gonna play the news clip.

We got the news clip because you know some people were late

I knew you go throw that

in there.

I had to.

I knew you had to do it a lot, you know, cause normally, you know, we try to do it at him, but I'm like, if she going there, I gotta let it go.

You know what I'm saying?

We started it.

So it was like, let's go.

I couldn't get my, you know, but I did.

Okay.

Anyway, you're going to learn today, but no, uh, on a real serious situation here, uh, Madison police department.

officer fired three shots at point blank range into a man who the officers and fellow officers were trying to take into custody in the middle of the street Wednesday afternoon as several witnesses looked on.

Right.

So we're going to play that clip and kind of bring you up to speed if you haven't heard about it.

I mean, it's dominating social media.

Yeah.

People are having their opinions.

A lot of protests are going on up in Madison.

And I just want to make sure that everybody is up to speed and going to play this clip from WISN 12 news.

Producer Xavier is getting that ready.

He'll let me know when it's up and ready to roll.

So if you are watching us on Facebook live or you're on our YouTube page all at one on one seven and truth, you'll be able to follow along where you may have already saw some of the many videos that are circulating around.

that show even more of the situation and unedited as a matter of fact.

So we are ready to play this clip about the Madison shooting of a man in Madison.

Police posted online.

There was a call for a person stealing bikes and checking doors on vehicles.

Now that statement says officers spotted the man you see in that video.

They say he rode off on a bike before they caught up with him at the side of the shooting.

One witness says officers grabbed or tackled the man off the bike and that witness started recording.

Just 12 seconds after this video starts.

The man is tased before an officer shoots him point blank.

Michael Dubek was holding the camera.

Yeah, it was no more than 10 feet away, 5, 10 feet away.

And it happened, as they say, it happened so fast that...

I didn't really have time to react.

It seemed like that they had got him on the ground and then that split second later, three shots to his head.

So it was so surprising, I think, to everybody watching that.

What

cannot be seen from Dubek's perspective is a knife police noted in their public statement online, writing, during the struggle, the man pulled out a fixed blade knife and injured an officer before the shots.

The officer on the far right alerts fellow officers to a knife.

That's when another officer deploys a taser and wrestling the man to the ground.

One officer stomps the man's leg before the officer who called out the knife fires three shots.

The officer who deployed the taser instantly covers her mouth.

11 seconds after the final shot, a different officer tosses a knife to the side and police shared this image of a knife in their

statement.

The shooting, prompting protest, and questions over the officer's use of deadly force.

Madison Police Chief, John Patterson.

I caution everyone, this is one perspective.

It is not a full overview of everything that was visible from different angles, certainly visible from the officers.

And again, it involves a fixed blade knife that I think we're fortunate didn't cause more damage.

And

Michael Dubek's video, one of several circulating online tonight, but it is also one of the clearest and it could be crucial considering Madison patrol officers do not wear body cameras.

and body cameras long debated in the city of Madison in 2024.

The department launched a body camera pilot program.

It lasted 90 days.

The hurdle for the city has been the cost of the cameras themselves as well as the storage for the video.

Last year, the Common Council voted down a budget amendment to fund a broad body camera program.

Chief Patterson is pushing for body cameras in the 2027 budget cycle.

Deanna

Derek, let's go back to the officer who fired that fatal shot.

What do we know about him?

Well, Chief Patterson did not.

identify that officer by name, only saying he's a veteran officer.

That officer, along with the three other officers who were trying to take the man into custody, are all on administrative leave, which is a standard practice in deadly use of force incidents.

Bailey, what's your thoughts?

I did see a knife.

Yeah, I saw a knife, too.

But it was a knife.

It wasn't a gun When

you're dealing with law enforcement

They feel

you got a weapon.

You got an officer.

Yeah was allegedly injured with the knife Yeah, you might not want to have a weapon that I don't think that the enforcement is designed to Match your energy on what type of weapon you have if you come running at them with a bat

The way they're probably going to respond is, yeah, it's deadly force, imminent danger.

And let alone, unfortunately, if you've injured one of the officers with such knife, and I'm sure there are going to be people to say that he wasn't struggling, I saw struggling.

Oh, there was struggling.

I'm not saying that there was.

Yeah.

I mean,

but it's going to be curious to hear what our true nation has to say.

But what you got, Bailey?

You know, I'm.

I'm like, you know, I'm surprised that they did that to a Caucasian person.

It appears that he's Caucasian.

I don't know.

I thought it was black.

Is he black?

I thought I don't know.

It

was awfully light skinned to me.

Okay.

Well, I guess I

don't I don't know.

I guess I'm

because usually it could be just my observations.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But usually when it's a Caucasian person, they get they they take a little boy.

Oh, it's going to be all right.

Because he.

Yeah.

Well, we

played a video before.

Last week.

The white

man chased them.

Right.

White

guys chasing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he's still alive.

And he's still alive

to

talk about it.

That wasn't the first time we saw footage like that, right?

Yeah.

And so I wasn't sure if this person was black.

It appeared that he was Caucasian.

OK, I mean, I don't know.

I don't know.

And listen, and so.

I'm and I can tell you and I am

I am I am I lying?

Usually

when it's a black person.

Yeah,

they go they just go right ahead.

Just

but here's where I'm going.

Okay, so

they had a tazer was my was what I was getting to they had a tazer so most of the time hey, let the tazer take effect.

Okay.

Well, there it is.

So there it is.

But okay here.

True talk says lines of please hold because we don't have to go to a break and I want to be able to get all Tria y'all Eight three three

two one two ten seventeen

to get your Thoughts on this but it

appeared to me that he was Caucasian,

but I let me tell you okay, okay when we take care of these bills.

I'm gonna tell you why I

Thought that he might be a black man.

Well, I thought in the beginning I just you know what

shame on

me.

I assumed

yeah But I'm like and I'll tell you why my thought is that he that he's a black man or you know

was

but we'll see

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True nation.

Great morning.

Welcome black to truth in the morning on the award-winning one on one seven if I'm the truth Thank you true talk text line people that have been holding

We're going

we're going to Israel first.

Oh, oh before Israel.

Thank you.

Let me do this My reason for saying that I thought it might be a black man.

It's because I saw the protesters.

Oh,

it's a lot of black people

out there protests.

Yeah

I mean with the bull horns and everything.

So again, it could just be because what's wrong is wrong, which is how it should be across the board.

Right.

But but I usually see us.

I was looking at the video.

Yeah, no, I

could have been the shading of the video

from

my angle.

You know, so

yeah.

Yeah.

No, I'm just saying all the majority of the protesters that I'm seeing.

Uh, and I don't know if Xavier, you've seen any of the protesters, but it appears to be led by a lot of black people.

I see some white people that are protesting with them, which is what led me to think that he might have been a brother

or light skin.

Black

is black.

You don't know what

I'm just saying.

Well, I'm just saying that in the sense of when I saw the video, it looked like he might have been Caucasian, but.

I don't know.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I could be wrong.

Yeah.

So, uh, but yeah, that's why, uh, all of the people I've seen, you know, screaming and shouting and all of that on the different protests and they went around this table.

It was a white people sitting around this.

Like we were having an outside dinner, a fine dining type dinner.

Like they had white tablecloths and all of that.

And they kind of like surrounded them and we're saying, well, what are you doing in this, that, and the other?

So that's what kind of brought me to my

radio on our YouTube set.

He was a beige brother.

Yeah, so you're black.

Well, we will find out for sure.

Let's get to Israel.

Then we're coming to Mr. Lee.

Then we're coming to Al M.K.E.

Thank you for being patient on our True Talk text line.

Great morning, Israel.

Love you.

Appreciate you.

You hear the conversation and I guess you've had a shooting experience yourself.

What's your truth, Israel?

I'm actually relating to this situation, like not even to my situation.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm about to come at you on a whole other level right now.

All right.

So remember pre 2020 all the police brutality we saw, right?

How that influenced today's like, you know, youth who are now like, you know, adolescent and everything, you know, they're kind of rambunctious on edge and not backing down.

They're defensive and everything.

They're traumatized.

You know, they protest.

Do you see this stuff happening when cops pull people over?

They protest, like pretty much protest instead of complying and everything.

Cops are frustrated because they're on edge.

You never know what somebody's doing.

You've got to follow the law and everything like that.

So, you know, we've got to get over this guilt and trauma and we've got to stop inspiring fear so that way people don't have mental breakdowns, but a bunch of cops come at you like, hey, what are you doing?

right or wrong because that guy in Madison I can probably tell you that he probably did well he's probably he probably was high he probably did have some mental health issues but at the same time we got all this emotion going on right here so he did just enough to argue justification for the shooting but at that time the shooting was unnecessary because you saw even his partner was unhappy with the results of them tazing they had him to do

you know things happen like you know you you know you got progressors get trained to take bums you gotta put your body on the line these cops do can't can't be so delicate by the same time they shouldn't have to take abuse nobody should have to take abuse okay that's

true

and you know

That's pretty much what I had to say about it.

Get to the point where all the stuff's getting sensationalized.

And it's too close to home for me, where everybody be so stagnant and complacent and frustrating, where everybody just keep going out here holding signs and everything.

Instead of saying, OK, honestly, I could have chilled out.

Honestly, people could have followed protocol.

Honestly, people getting carried away.

Honestly, that was unnecessary.

Leave it at that.

Stop all this emotion and drama right now, because that's too close to home right now for me.

All right.

Thank you very much, Israel.

You have a great day.

We're going to Mr. Lee on the True Talk text lines.

They are open 833-212-1017.

Great morning, Mr. Lee.

Love you.

Appreciate you.

You hear the conversation.

What's your truth?

Same to you, big brother, mighty black of you.

You and Bailey, I appreciate you all taking my call.

All right.

So I understand it really quick with Israel saying it's like, you know, all that things that provoke the trauma.

My question was, I didn't see anything.

I don't really look at the YouTube and such like that unless and it comes across when I open my phone.

But my thing was when I got in my vehicle and I heard the situation of the guy and he was recording and he mentioned, okay, there was a tape.

Then there's this shot by the officer, another officer, and then

They're saying that there's a knife or you can hear the woman saying knife.

So what is this, the protocol?

I mean, I thought that the use of a taser and what I've learned and what I know of officers that they will, majority of the time, if one uses a taser, another will also draw their taser if needed to use it.

I didn't know.

It goes from taser to gun, and then confirming that, or what another officer is saying.

I'm just a little, that's my question, and just to give a vote, a little understanding.

All right, thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Lee.

We're going to Al M. K. E. Again, the truth talk text lines are open 833212 1017.

We're talking about the Madison shooting for anybody who may be just joining in on this and people were saying that that man shouldn't be dead.

Uh, they

did shoot him at a point blank.

Yeah.

Three times in the head to my understanding.

And I think, uh, getting back to our last caller, I think they start using guns and stuff when the tasers don't work.

And clearly the guy was still, you know, struggling with them.

Right.

So clearly that was happening.

All right.

Uh, great morning out.

We love you.

We appreciate you.

What's your truth?

The truth is the protocol is if you're black, you're dead.

How about that?

Because we

are

seeing white people pull our AI-15 butcher knives.

and jump on them and they were white as cocaine and they went the extra mile.

But let's go a little deeper.

Black man and Grand Rapids Michigan hand cup behind his back three bullets in the head and the dog chewed them in his neck.

Okay, they will find that guilty.

Boy in the back of the car knocking, shot in the head in the back of the squad car handcuffs, not guilty.

And now we have this going on.

And let's not forget the man in Washington, DC, black man slapping his car woke up to bullets.

If you're black, you're guilty.

If you're white, then they have a protocol, because you know, with white people, they come with attorneys.

So we got to stop saying, well, police officers go through so much.

Well, if you don't want to be here, don't do the job.

But remember, anything that's black is negative.

And these police officers and you can do your research as well.

If you're black, they are taught to get rid of the problem.

And they are trained.

They should go a little harder on you if you're black or Latino.

So we should stop sitting here acting like, oh, they go through so much.

We know you got to hide your suicide rate.

We know you're doped up on coke.

And we know a lot of you white police officers was raised with fail health from your mama and daddy to look at black people as hard to practice.

So we don't got to play stupid.

Don't we find it out?

All the people that's getting shot in the head is black.

Why they won't shoot Savannah Davenport in her mouth?

Fantastic.

Why they won't shoot Jim John Jones, Shababowski, Buproski, with an AI-15 and put the dog on a man's shoulder and his foot in his back?

Why is it they want to put it on Sam, you know, Sam Shishoski and put 100 bullets into his car?

You know why?

Because they protect their white if you're black We're gonna put so much lead up and you you can be the person to sign the number two pencil when you fill out that paper on the death report We're not stupid.

Y'all have yourself a good day.

Happy first day.

Bye bye.

Thank

you Al.

Thank you Al.

But I'll go shout all that out and then be like Hey y'all have yourself a good day.

He always does.

He always does.

We go try out.

We're going to work on that part.

So yeah.

So, you know, it's, it's, this is why, in my opinion, that, that, you know, we've always wanted to, and that's why I say, what's your truth?

Right.

Because to hear the different perspectives.

Yes.

And you have to, you know, pay attention to them.

And that's why when I say, you know, what's your truth?

What's the solution to something?

Every little bit.

It helps like somebody may say something, man, I mean, that's really off the mark.

But maybe this part of what they said, that's something we can think about that may be able to help get us to where we need to get.

And we're able to kind of like take all of the different things.

And, and I think in the end, the end game for me is to make sure that people who are listening, black, white, whatever, uh, think you have to really think like, right.

I didn't think about it from that perspective.

No,

I didn't think about this part of it.

Yeah.

Now, when you add all that together, you know what I'm saying?

And if we can, we can end up becoming better and making the kind of changes that are necessary in our community and and with some of our people who are, you know what I'm saying?

On a wild side, we're going to be in a better place.

Like if we practice seven principles of Kwanzaa as black people.

We our community would be in a much better place.

Yeah.

You know, so we got to get ready.

Take care of some bills, Bailey.

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Talking about this Madison situation, I wanna, I gotta try to find some of those protests that were online, even if we can't play the audio, because they letting them have it, but it was one in particular where they were up in Madison.

And they were around these white people that were surrounded.

And I guess it may have been one or two black people and they were like kind of calling them out like, yeah, y'all sitting there.

But it and the white people sitting at the table look unbothered, even though it looked like 50 or more people were in that protest.

So, you know, it may have been a hundred or more or whatever.

But

well, I know it's made, definitely made national news.

And,

you know, yeah.

So, um, I'm like, if that was, um, a situation like it.

Hmm.

So whoever it was, they, they lost their life.

And yeah, to a lot of people feeling that it was unjustified.

I'm hearing from, uh, former law enforcement was like, uh, it was the way that these officers.

Handled that situation said great morning blow Regarding the police shooting in Madison It is my opinion that this young person would still be alive if proper arrest techniques had been used by the four Not one but four officers said they looked like they were keystone cops

Oh, wow.

And it did.

Like, what would we do?

How do we handle this?

And yeah.

Well,

then he must have been black because Caucasian people, they know how to do it.

They figure it out.

OK.

Yeah.

So we're going to.

If you even

if even if the person chases them they

they

figure it out

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It's not without the audio

Of

course,

without the audio,

but I want

you to just pay attention to it Bailey.

Okay.

And, and tell me, you know, if you're kind of seeing, and I don't know exactly which clip, but Xavier, our producer, you can start that clip to playing.

So if you're watching us on again, YouTube or Facebook live, again, when I see the protest, so it's hundreds.

So again, I'm.

I'm saying that it was like at least 50.

I knew it was a lot Okay, it was a lot, but

oh, yeah, it's more than 50 people.

Yeah.

Well, you know Sometimes you'd be like who wouldn't a hundred of them?

So I'm like, you know, it's like when you're bidding on the prices, right?

I'd rather be under than over.

It's like a couple hundred.

Yeah, that's what I'm going.

And it looks like a mixed crowd to me.

Yeah, the ones that I saw when

Uh, they were surrounding this table and the black people had the bull horns.

The black people had the bull horns and they were like really aggressively, you know, across.

So it does says protest the killing of a black man.

Oh, there we go.

Okay.

There we go.

But it's, there's a lot of Caucasian people in there.

I'm not going to this one.

The ones that I've been

seeing.

That's a lot of people.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I

mean, if you take into consideration.

how they are, you know, doing the video back and forth,

you know, panning it across as

they would say.

You see that there's a lot.

There's a lot of Caucasian people

there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

But

remember, Madison is a very liberal place.

It's

not a loose sight

of

that.

It is.

It is a very liberal place.

And there is a significant.

African-American population there.

You got some stuff on the true talk text line.

I'm gonna let you read that.

But yeah, 833-212-1017.

That is the number.

If you want to share your truth, you know, what's your feeling on this situation?

Is it the same old thing?

You know what I'm saying?

The usual storyline.

What did you see?

You saw the video clip.

What did you see?

Did you see where they use too much force?

They didn't have to do it.

Did you see a man that was struggling and a man that did have a knife and may have injured an officer like they're saying?

Like Madison law enforcement is saying that no, he injured an officer and it eventually ended up being that same officer that was injured by the knife and you do see a knife thrown out, you know,

like they finally got it from the man.

And right after that, that same man that say he got a knife, he got a knife injured by the knife shot him in the head.

I believe it's three headshots.

Greg said he was black and after they shot him, they pretended to apply help.

He was gone.

Watch the video on the Internet.

It's probably.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't see that video.

Mm hmm.

Miss Sassy said.

Then police are so hype up on Red Bull coffee and other stimulants and supercharged, just ready to shoot off the firearms.

No, maybe some are, you know, I mean, if all you can drink all day is coffee, I guess you would be hype, right?

or Red Bull.

And then this other one.

Let me review this before we talk about this.

Go ahead.

Okay.

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833-212-1017.

We want to get your take on this.

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And, you know, unfortunately, we are not unfamiliar with these type of situations.

But the reality and then with them not having body cams that that really doesn't help the narrative for their law enforcement.

And for those who have different clips that show different angles of the shooting, you know, it's telling a story that has people kind of confused like I saw a killing.

You

know others are saying that yeah, he was resisting and they ended up having to use deadly force because he did have a knife You know some people are saying he was cuffed and so it's a whole lot.

It's a whole lot and We gonna learn today.

Okay.

Okay.

Let me give you this when you're ready.

Yep Okay, this is Courtney off our truth talk text line a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 if you want to get in on this conversation Courtney said

that as a white woman, here is my truth.

I said this at Rodney King.

I said this at George Floyd.

I have said this multiple times in other scenarios where black people have been shot or killed by cops for absolutely no reason.

It would not happen to me.

I could throw a pot of boiling water on a cop and not get shot because I'm white.

I could be resisting arrest.

Maybe I'd get some bruises, but I would not be shot.

It's pure and simple.

My privilege gives me the benefit of the doubt, which saves my life.

And that is disgusting.

You know what?

Those are facts.

That's why you know people always like oh you just throwing in the black factor But no Usually the black person doesn't with did we not show a video?

I think I mean there's been multiple videos that we've shown on this show

where

a Caucasian person a white person confronts a police officer and what happens one way the last one we showed you guys

Not only was he confronting a police officer, but he started chasing the cop had pushed the cop down to the ground

Was

wrestling with the police officer Mm-hmm and nothing happened and the cop the cop kept trying to taste him But he didn't pull out no gun when this guy and tell me he didn't feel like his life was threatened

right

tell me that Because a black person they see you black in a car.

They pulling their gun out

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Let's be

real.

They pulling they gonna in this scenario They had tased this guy Mm-hmm.

They had tased him Not they didn't wait for any kind of effect to happen.

Usually, you know, give it a few stuff.

They see a knife Do they have control of the knife or anything?

Right?

You don't know if they immediately had control of

It seemed like they grabbed the knife and threw it out pretty quickly if you look back at the video Mm-hmm, and I'm not saying I'm here's my thing You know Give it a beat You know give

it a

second before you that white guy was taste numerous times they taste this brother one time and he out Okay

They

don't know what that white guy had on him that the video we showed you all the other day And maybe we can pull that out again somewhere.

I don't know if we have that still Xavier, but You know They don't do that black people don't have that privilege.

They don't have that benefit if you're a person of color Mm-hmm.

It isn't your best interest To be as calm as possible.

Yep when being approached by a police officer

Because if you're not you could end up not going you could end up not going home that part because that's the common that is the common thing Black person just like this brother didn't get a chance to go home You know and I'm not saying he was right for having a knife on him or any of the things or even how he reacted I am not but especially if you go out to these protests and whatever

Have your right mind on you.

Mm-hmm.

Don't be carrying no weapons if you black don't care no weapon I know we got concealed carrying all the things But they wasn't asking him if he had concealed carry nope I mean they didn't ask him nothing.

It was just like attack mm-hmm, you know

Of course, we don't know the preamble when they were trying to talk to him, you know in the come up,

you know

Approaching the situation, but I'm telling you if you're a person of color And it could happen to Hispanic people too.

So don't

be fooled

that part

Your person of color being approached by the police You know keep your head together

Don't be out in these streets high or drunk.

Have your faculties about you.

And just follow instructions so you can go home.

And that's the only thing.

Yep.

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Welcome black truth nation Still talking about this Madison shooting

And we're seeing some

tragic

graphic videos that are being sent that we would never play.

Yeah, we we

can play all that.

Yeah, but we can't

we can't play all that.

It

is not.

They're

not going to let us do that.

Well, I wouldn't listen.

You

can't anyway.

Yeah, I know it's all over everywhere.

Yeah, they put some crazy stuff.

That's what I be talking about.

They put some crazy stuff because it's still up.

on all kinds of social media sites.

It's still up.

Somebody's showing it on the YouTube

page and all

that.

But we're not going to do that.

Because one of the things that I always talk about and even in...

my other platform that I have.

It's

like, if I know that the person has lost their life,

I'm not gonna do

that.

That's not what I'm doing.

Yeah, the video is out there.

Yeah, this is out

there.

People just

got desensitized, baby.

You get desensitized, and the other part is, it's just not the thing to

do.

Right, so we don't feed it.

because you get

desensitized

and

that's why a lot of people nowadays are like oh you know

it's only this yeah

and and the thing is yeah it is that

yeah because i i have a problem when people have to find out that their loved one

was shot and killed or whatever your

footage

yeah or reckless driver ended up hitting the other person's car and they body is mangled and deformed and you up there check on your people

yeah come

on

yeah

come on now don't nobody need to find out and see their loved one and then

when you

when you do this Bailey I see this a lot on social media when you do this hey man

That's my cousin.

That's my brother.

That's

my

sister.

Can you please take that down?

Exactly.

They get to argue with

you.

It's my

page.

Get off my

page.

You don't like what I post.

You can't tell me what.

And I'm

like, they really stand on business.

I ain't taking it down.

Exactly.

Exactly.

You telling them, hey man, his mother or her mother, man, you know, she had to see that.

Can you please take that down?

Man, I ain't got nothing to do with his mama.

Yeah, no and cuz they're trying to get likes they're trying to get

Yeah, they're trying to

get the meta check that they're thinking it's gonna be all these millions of dollars And it's not and if it's really worth your your self-respect

like just

have some kind of Decorum about yourself.

That's it.

But we got so

many people that don't care.

Yeah.

Yeah, and you know, I gotta you know So

those of you that sent us videos we appreciate it

But we can't use them all because there's also FCC stuff

that you

got.

We got a bye-bye.

So we can't show everything.

That's why a lot of times you'll see us

Play video footage back from the TV stations because it's already edited.

So it's

available

to

show because they're not going to show you the

right.

Absolutely.

And even when we played the story, if you notice, you got to hear this shots, but they stopped the video and had the blurred out portion there because again, like I don't want to be watching the news and.

I got to literally see the assassination

or you give them the same murder of

somebody like

that.

Yeah.

Or the mangled body.

Like, no, like you shouldn't be used to looking at that type of graphic stuff.

Right.

Exactly.

I know we live in some communities

and a video game era that you know, but you see that kind of stuff and it looks very realistic.

It does.

and you know and and a television age where they show a lot of that

you know

movies and stuff like that but and there's a lot of reality shows on but you don't see all this that's right and you know you know our kids and our young adults don't need and I don't want to see that

Right.

You know what I mean?

But I got some over here on the two talk text line as we wrap up today's show.

Ray said it seems like police were just too scary.

And this is why they shot the man that.

Men that many that many times, even when they say had him under control, unlike the Incredible Hulk white white man last week.

Yeah, the white guy,

right?

Big CC said there was no reason for them to fire three shots into this guy.

That's true.

You know, I mean, they need to have a little bit more patience.

I know they're concerned for their own lives, too.

I do get that part,

right?

But yeah,

yeah.

Uh, and that's kind of like where, uh, Sean Avery senior on the YouTube page will say as a civilian, of course, I see excessive force.

However, cops are trained to stop the threat and they have discretion on what level of force to use, just like the Greendale cop took a beating by a man.

Yeah.

That part.

And that man did not get shot.

Discretion.

Yeah.

That part.

Uh, our producer Xavier, uh, look like he added something that he wanted to add.

Uh, what's your truth Xavier?

I just wanted to comment on like Bailey's statement about like people being desensitized growing up as a kid that you know I kind of you know I'm probably one of the first waves of kids that grown up with the internet full access you know seeing the videos because I grew up in kind of like the wild wild west of the internet okay

you

know the live leak videos and stuff

oh yeah

yeah and you know gore.com and stuff like that yeah

People are definitely desensitized like me.

I just watched the video that the guy sent and you know, literally the guys.

No, don't say it.

Don't even say

it because it's even gross to

have to even hear

it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like me seeing that, I mean, obviously it affected me, but it's like, I don't know, me growing up seeing like cartel videos where they are executing people or something like that.

Or it's like, you know, it's sad to say, but yeah.

Lot of people you wanted to do sensitize people.

Yes, but I will say it does affect me I will say like when I saw it.

I did feel bad.

I wasn't like oh I'm just get some desensitized the gore but To the act of what happened to him.

I definitely you know feel remorse and sorrow for him because those three shots of the head that was completely uncalled for

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's kind of crazy how we're the only country that really has like these shootings, because like, you know, say like a place like in England, where they have no guns or where they have to be trained on the fight people with knives and stuff like that.

They

don't have these, they don't have these conversations.

I've seen multiple videos where people have knives in these countries and stuff like that

and

cops managed to take them down without shooting them.

Yeah, because most in in those countries cops don't even most cops don't even care.

I walk around with guns, right?

Yeah, sure.

That's true.

Most most cops don't have guns and they were talking about when they were doing the teen takeover things.

I noted in the story it was happening in the the predominantly African-American area over in England.

And you know what?

They were like, we don't have guns.

Yeah, our police officers do not have guns.

Absolutely.

All they have was the little Billy clubs and whatever

and taser

and

tasers.

That's it.

Yeah.

Stone cop type situation.

Yeah.

Because well, they don't they didn't feel like up until that point, they didn't feel like they needed it.

Right.

Yeah, they do have armed officers, but they have to pronounce that they're armed officers.

And like those are only special units that come in right like the standard cop.

You're Billy Club.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it is crazy and even just to show the deterioration in my opinion of people and especially like in our community, I can speak on them because I see it daily.

Yes.

I come up where if somebody started fighting, you went the other damn way.

Yeah.

If you heard gunshots, you went the other way.

We got some generations of people that they run to the fight.

Right.

They watch the beating and the abuse and and and seeing the person.

Oh, they busted his head open

and

they they still like we want more.

Like, yeah, keep on kicking them and hitting them and beating them with a bat or a pole.

Like, just all of this or the person is dead.

Hey, they just shot somebody.

You gonna run down to the scene.

Yeah, where they said they just shot somebody.

Yeah law enforcement hasn't clear cleared the scene Yeah, most of the time the ambulance won't even go in yeah until law enforcement comes and Secures the scene.

Yeah, so they can go in there sit half a block down that part

We're not

gonna

do exactly

because we don't know

if the shooter is still there.

Yeah

Exactly.

And some of these EMTs have ran into some situations where the person who did shoot, they ran up on them and they're like, don't you try to save them?

Yeah.

With a gun to their head.

Like

what?

Exactly.

That's

why a lot of times you don't see the EMTs and such.

Right.

Even enter a situation like

that.

That's right.

Until the police come and clear it.

I

ain't

mad at

them.

I'm mad at me because

that

could be their life.

Yep.

We got to be mad at some of the people in our community who created that environment.

And

that's

just the truth.

That is the truth.

We got to get right ahead out, Bailey.

Yeah.

A powerful show.

Yes.

I thank you for.

helping to provide another great show.

Oh, absolutely.

I thank you as well.

Partner.

That's why we're a team.

That part,

you know.

Teamwork makes the dream work.

Yep.

Thank you Xavier for another great show.

Thank you very much.

What you got baby?

Trust God.

Do good.

Keep the peace, y'all.

Keep the peace.

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That was a great story,

right?

That's kind

of scary.

That's real scary, wasn't it?

What?

That was real scary.

Hiding in the dark, talking like that?

Exactly.

That's a little...hiding

in the dark.

What do you know with hiding in the dark talking like that?

Well, you're trying to scare someone.

No, I'm not.

I wouldn't

try

to scare them.

Oh, you don't like to scare people?

No.

Xavier, do we have Mrs. Blow's number?

We might want to give her a call.

She might want to check, have him check.

Get up!

She

always says she should get a check for me.

No, not a check.

Checked out.

But anyway.

You're gonna learn today.

So now there's a situation with Madison police and there's some protests that are going on.

Yes.

Because on yesterday.

Yes.

Up in Madison.

There was a man shot and killed by Madison police There was a struggle

hanging out with the ice agents or what we had going on

We're gonna play the news clip.

We got the news clip because you know some people were late I knew you go throw

that in there

I had to I knew you had to do you know cuz normally you know we try to do it at the end But I'm like if she going there.

I gotta let it go

You know what I'm saying?

We started it.

So it's like, let's go.

I couldn't get my, you know.

All right.

All right.

But I did.

Okay, anyway.

Okay.

You're going to learn today.

But no, on a real serious situation here, Madison Police Department officer fired three shots at point blank range into a man who the officers and fellow officers were trying to take into custody in the middle of a street Wednesday afternoon as several witnesses looked on.

Right.

So we're going to play that clip and kind of bring you up to speed if you haven't heard about it.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's dominating social media.

Yeah.

Uh, people are having their opinions.

Uh, a lot of protests are going on up in Madison and, um, I just want to make sure that everybody is up to speed and going to play this clip from WISN 12 news.

Uh, producer Xavier is getting that ready.

He'll let me know when it's.

Up and ready to roll.

So if you are watching us on Facebook live or you're on our YouTube page all at one on one seven the truth You'll be able to follow along or you may have already saw some of the many videos that are circulating around that show even more of the situation And unedited as a matter of fact So we are ready to play this clip about the Madison shooting of a man in Madison

Police posted online.

There was a call for a person stealing bikes and checking doors on vehicles.

Now that statement says officers spotted the man you see in that video.

They say he rode off on a bike before they caught up with him at the side of the shooting.

One witness says officers grabbed or tackled the man off the bike and that witness started recording.

Just 12 seconds after this video starts.

A man is tased before an officer shoots him point blank.

Michael Dubek was holding the camera.

Yeah, it was about no more than 10 feet away, 5, 10 feet away.

And it happened, as they say, it happened so fast that...

I didn't really have time to react.

It seemed like that they had got him on the ground and then that split second later, three shots to his head.

So it was so surprising, I think, to

everybody watching that.

What cannot be seen from Dubek's perspective is a knife police noted in their public statement online, writing, during the struggle, the man pulled out a fixed blade knife and injured an officer before the shots.

The officer on the far right alerts fellow officers to a knife.

That's when another officer deploys a taser and wrestling the man to the ground.

One officer stomps the man's leg before the officer who called out the knife fires three shots.

The officer who deployed the taser instantly covers her mouth.

11 seconds after the final shot, a different officer tosses a knife to the side and police shared this image of a knife in their

statement.

The shooting, prompting protest, and questions over the officers' use of deadly force.

Madison Police Chief, John Patterson.

I caution everyone.

This is one perspective.

It is not a full overview of everything that was visible from different angles, certainly visible from the officers.

And again, it involves a fixed blade knife that I think we're fortunate didn't cause more damage.

And

Michael Dubek's video, one of several circulating online tonight, but it is also one of the clearest and it could be crucial considering Madison patrol officers do not wear body cameras.

and body cameras long debated in the city of Madison in 2024.

The department launched a body camera pilot program.

It lasted 90 days.

The hurdle for the city has been the cost of the cameras themselves as well as the storage for the video.

Last year, the Common Council voted down a budget amendment to fund a broad body camera program.

Chief Patterson is pushing for body cameras in the 2027 budget cycle.

Deanna

Derek, let's go back to the officer who fired that fatal shot.

What do we know about him?

Well, Chief Patterson did not.

identify that officer by name, only saying he's a veteran officer.

That officer, along with the three other officers who were trying to take the man into custody, are all on administrative leave, which is a standard practice in deadly use of force incidents.

Bailey, what's your thoughts?

I did see a knife.

Yeah, I saw a knife, too.

But it was a knife.

It wasn't a gun When

you're dealing with

law enforcement They feel

you got a weapon.

You got an officer.

Yeah was allegedly injured with the knife Yeah, you might not want to have a weapon that I don't think that The enforcement is designed to match your energy on what type of weapon you have if you come running at them with a bat

The way they're probably going to respond is, yeah, it's deadly force, imminent danger.

And let alone, unfortunately, if you've injured one of the officers with such knife, and I'm sure there are going to be people to say that he wasn't struggling, I saw struggling.

Oh,

there

was struggling.

I'm not saying that there was.

Yeah.

I mean,

but it's got to be curious to hear what our truth nation has to say.

But what you got, Bailey?

You know, I'm.

I'm like, you know, I'm surprised that they did that to a Caucasian person.

It appears that he's Caucasian.

I don't know.

I thought it was black.

Is he black?

I thought I don't know.

It

was awfully like skin to me.

Okay.

Well, I guess I

don't I don't know.

I

guess I'm

because usually it could be just my observations.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But usually when it's a Caucasian person, they get they they take a little boy.

Oh, it's going to be all right.

Because he.

Yeah.

Well, we played

the video before.

The

white man chased them.

Right.

White

guys chasing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he's still alive.

And he's still alive

to

talk about.

That wasn't the first time we saw footage like that, right?

Yeah.

And so I wasn't sure if this person was black.

It appeared that he was Caucasian.

Okay.

I mean, I don't know.

I don't know.

And listen, and so I'm and I could tell you and I, are you like

am I am I am I lying?

No.

Usually

when it's a black person,

yeah,

yeah, they go they just go right ahead just

But here's where I'm going.

Okay, so

but they had a tazer was my was what I was getting to they had a tazer So most of the time hey, let's a tazer take effect.

Okay.

Well, there it is.

So there is but okay here

true talk sense lines of please hold because we don't have to go to a break and I want to be able to get all Tria y'all eight three three

two one two ten seventeen

to get your thoughts on this but it

appeared to me that he was Caucasian

but I let me tell you from the okay okay when we take care of these bills I'm gonna tell you why I

thought that he might be a black man.

Well, I thought in the beginning, I just, you know what?

Shame on

me.

I assumed.

Yeah.

But I'm like, and I'll tell you why my thought is that he that he's a black man or, you know,

was,

but we'll see.

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Thank you.

True talk text line people that have been holding.

We're going,

we're going to Israel first.

Oh, oh, before Israel.

Thank you.

Let me do this.

My reason for saying that I thought it might be a black man is because I saw the protesters.

Oh,

it's a lot of black people

out there protest.

Yeah.

I mean with the bull horns and everything.

So again, it could just be because what's wrong is wrong, which is how it should be across the board.

Right.

But I, but I usually see us.

I was looking at the video.

Yeah.

Now I

could have been the shading of the video from my angle, you know, um, so

yeah.

Yeah.

No, I'm just saying all the majority of the protesters that I'm seeing.

Uh, and I don't know if Xavier, you've seen any of the protesters, but it appears to be led by a lot of black people.

I see some white people that are protesting with them, which is what led me to think that he might have been a brother

or light skin.

Black

is black.

You don't know what

I'm just saying.

Well, I'm just saying that in the sense of when I saw the video, it looked like he might have been Caucasian, but.

I don't

know.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I could be wrong.

Yeah.

So, uh, but yeah, that's why, uh, all of the people I've seen, you know, screaming and shouting and all of that on the different protests and they went around this table.

It was, uh, white people sitting around this, like they were having an outside, uh, dinner, uh, a fine dining type dinner.

Like they had white tablecloths and all of that.

And they kind of like surrounded them and we're saying, well, what are you doing?

And this, that and the other.

So.

That's what kind of brought me to my red

radio on our YouTube set.

He was a beige brother.

Yeah.

So he's black.

Well, we will find out for sure.

Let's get to Israel.

Then we're coming to Mr. Lee.

Then we come in for to Al M. K. E. Okay.

Thank you for being patient on our true text line.

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Love you.

Appreciate you.

You hear the conversation and I guess you've had a shooting experience yourself.

What's your truth, Israel?

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm about to come at you on a whole another level right now.

All right.

So remember pre 2020, all the police brutality we saw, right?

How that influenced today's like, you know, youth who are now like, you know, adolescent and everything, you know, they're kind of rambunctious on edge and not backing down.

They're defensive and everything.

They're traumatized.

They're, you know, they protest.

Do you see this stuff happening when cops pull people over?

They protest, like pretty much protest instead of complying and everything.

Cops are frustrated because they're on edge.

You never know what somebody's doing.

You got to follow the law and everything like that.

So, you know, we got to get over this guilt and trauma and we got to stop inspiring fear.

So that way people don't have mental breakdowns, but a bunch of cops come at you like, hey, what are you doing?

right or wrong because that guy in Madison I can probably tell you that he probably did well he's probably he probably was high he probably did have some mental health issues but at the same time we got all this emotion going on right here so he did just enough to argue justification for the shooting but at that time the shooting was unnecessary because you saw even his partner was unhappy with the results of them tazing they had him to do

you know things happen like you know you you know you got progressors get trained to take bumps you gotta

put

your body on the line these cops do can't can't be so delicate by the same time they shouldn't have to take abuse nobody should have to take abuse okay that's

true

and you know

That's pretty much what I had to say about it.

All the stuff's getting sensationalized.

And it's too close to home for me, where everybody be so stagnant, complacent and frustrating, where everybody just keep going out here holding signs and everything.

Instead of saying, OK, honestly, I could have chilled out.

Honestly, people could have followed protocol.

Honestly, people getting carried away.

Honestly, that was unnecessary.

Leave it at that.

Stop all this emotion and drama right now, because that's too close to home right now for me.

All right.

Thank you very much, Israel.

You have a great day.

We're going to Mr. Lee on the True Talk text lines.

They are open 833-212-1017.

Great morning, Mr. Lee.

Love you.

Appreciate you.

You hear the conversation.

What's your truth?

Same to you, big brother, mighty black of you.

You and Bailey, I appreciate you all taking my call.

All right.

So I understand it really quick with Israel's saying it's like, you know, all that things that provoke the trauma.

My question was, I didn't see anything.

I don't really look at the YouTube and such like that unless and it comes across when I went from a phone book.

My thing was when I got in my vehicle and I heard the situation of the guy and he was recording and he mentioned, okay, there was a tape.

Then there's this.

shot by the officer, another officer, and then they're saying that there's a knife or you can hear the woman saying knife.

So what is this, the protocol?

I mean, I thought that the use of a taser and what I've learned and what I know of officers that they will

majority of the time, if one uses a taser, another will also draw their taser if needed to use it.

I didn't know it goes from taser to gun and then confirming that or what another officer is saying.

I'm just a little, that's my question, and just to give a vote, a little understanding.

All right, thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Lee.

We're going to Al M. K. E. Again, the truth talk text lines are open 833212 1017.

We're talking about the Madison shooting for anybody who may be just joining in on this and people were saying that.

that man shouldn't be dead.

They

did shoot him at a point blank.

Yeah, three times in the head to understand.

And

I think getting back to our last caller, I think they start using guns and stuff when the tasers don't work.

And clearly the guy was still, you know, struggling with them.

Right.

So clearly that was happening.

All right.

Great morning, Al.

We love you.

We appreciate you.

What's your truth?

The truth is the protocol is if you're black, you're dead.

How about that?

Because we

are

seeing white people pull our AI-15 butcher knives.

and jump on them and they were white as cocaine and they went the extra mile.

But let's go a little deeper.

Black man and Grand Rapids Michigan hand cup behind his back three bullets in the head and the dog chewed them in his neck.

Okay, they will find that guilty.

Boy in the back of the car knocking saw shot in the head in the back of the squad car handcuffs not guilty.

And now we have this going on, and let's not forget the man in Washington, DC, black man slapping his car woke up to bullets.

If you're black, you're guilty.

If you're white, then they have a protocol, because you know, with white people, they come with attorneys.

So we got to stop saying, well, police officers go through so much.

Well, if you don't want to be here, don't do the job.

But remember, anything that's black is negative.

And these police officers and you can do your research as well.

If you're black, they are taught to get rid of the problem.

And they are trained.

They should go a little harder on you if you're black or Latino.

So we should stop sitting here acting like, oh, they go through so much.

We know you got to hide your suicide rate.

We know you're doped up on coke.

And we know a lot of you white police officers was raised with fail health from your mama and daddy to look at black people as hard to practice.

So we don't got to play stupid.

Don't we find it out?

All the people that's getting shot in the head is black.

Why they won't shoot Savannah Davenport in her mouth?

Fantastic.

Why they won't shoot Jim John Jones, Shaba Bowsky, Buprosky, with an AI-15 and put the drug on a man, shoot him in his foot and his back?

Why is it they want to put it on Sam, you know, Sam Shishosky and put 100 bullets into his car?

You know why?

Because they protect their white if you're black We're gonna put so much lead up and you you can be the person to sign the number two pencil when you fill out that paper on the death report We're not stupid.

Y'all have yourself a good day.

Happy Thursday.

Bye-bye.

Thank

you Al.

Thank you Al, but I'll go shout all that out and then be like Hey y'all have yourself a good

day.

He always does.

He always does.

We gonna try out.

We gonna work on that part.

So yeah, so you know, it's it's this is why in my opinion that that you know, we've always wanted to and that's why I say, what's your truth?

Right.

Because to hear the different perspectives.

Yes.

And you have to, you know, pay attention to them.

And that's why when I say, you know, what's your truth?

What's the solution to something?

Every little bit.

It helps like somebody may say something, man, I mean, that's really off the mark.

But maybe this part of what they said, that's something we can think about that may be able to help get us to where we need to get.

And we're able to kind of like take all of the different things.

And, and I think in the end, the end game for me is to make sure that people who are listening, black, white, whatever, uh, think you have to really think like, right.

I didn't think about it from that perspective.

No,

I didn't think about this part of it.

Yeah.

Now, when you add all that together, you know what I'm saying?

And if we can, we can end up becoming better and making the kind of changes that are necessary.

Yeah.

In our community and, and with some of our people who are, you know what I'm saying, uh, on a wild side, we're going to be in a better place.

Like if we practice seven principles of Kwanzaa, uh, as black people.

We our community would be in a much better place.

Yeah.

You know, so we got to get ready.

Take care of some bills, Bailey.

I know you may have some things over there on the truth text line.

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Talking about this Madison situation, I wanna, I gotta try to find some of those protests that were online, even if we can't play the audio, because they, they, they, they letting them have it, but it was one in particular where they were up in Madison.

And they were around these white people that were around it.

And I guess it may have been one or two black people and they were like kind of calling them out like, yeah, y'all sitting there.

But it and the white people sitting at the table look unbothered, even though it looked like 50 or more people were in that protest.

So, you know, it may have been a hundred or more or whatever.

But

well, I know it's made, definitely made national news.

And,

you know, yeah.

So I'm like, if that was a situation like it.

Hmm.

So whoever it was, they lost their life.

And yeah, to a lot of people feeling that it was unjustified.

I'm hearing from former law enforcement was like, it was the way that these officers.

Handled that situation said great morning blow Regarding the police shooting in Madison It is my opinion that this young person would still be alive if proper arrest techniques had been used by the four Not one but four officers said they looked like they were keystone cops

Oh, wow.

And it did.

Like, what would we do?

How do we handle this?

And yeah.

Well, then he must have been black because Caucasian people, they know how to do it.

They figure it out.

OK.

Yeah.

So we're going to.

Even

if even if the person chases them they

they

figure it out

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We're gonna be playing a video.

It's not without the audio

Of

course,

without the audio,

but I want

you to just pay attention to it, Bailey.

Okay.

And, and tell me, you know, if you're kind of seeing, and I don't know exactly which clip, but Xavier, our producer, you can start that clip to playing.

So if you're watching us on, again, YouTube or Facebook live, again, when I see the protest, so it's hundreds.

So again, I'm.

I'm saying that it was like at least 50.

I knew it was a lot Okay, there's a lot but

oh, yeah, it's more than 50 people.

Yeah.

Well, you know Sometimes you'd be like who wouldn't a hundred of them?

So I'm like, you know, it's like when you've been on the prices, right?

I'd rather be under than over.

It's like a couple hundred.

Yeah, that's what I'm going.

And it looks like a mixed crowd to me.

Yeah, the ones that I saw when

Uh, they were surrounding this table and the black people had the bull horns.

The black people had the bull horns and they were like really aggressively, you know, across

this is protest the killing of a black man.

Oh, there we go.

Okay.

There we go.

But it's there's a lot of Caucasian people in there.

I'm not this one.

The ones that I've been

seeing.

That's a lot of people.

Yeah, absolutely.

I

mean, if you take into consideration.

how they are, you know, doing the video back and forth,

you know, panning it across as

they would say.

You see that there's a lot.

There's a lot of Caucasian people there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

But

remember, Madison is a very liberal place.

Let's

not lose sight

of

that.

It is.

It is a very liberal place.

And there is a significant.

African-American population there.

You got some stuff on the True Talk text line.

I'm gonna let you read that.

But yeah, 833-212-1017.

That is the number if you want to share your truth.

You know, what's your feeling on this situation?

Is it the same old thing?

You know what I'm saying?

The usual storyline.

What did you see?

You saw the video clip.

What did you see?

Did you see where they use too much force?

They didn't have to do it.

Did you see a man that was struggling and a man that did have a knife and may have injured an officer like they're saying?

Like Madison law enforcement is saying that no, he injured an officer and it eventually ended up being that same officer that was injured by the knife and you do see a knife thrown out, you know,

Like they finally got it from the man and right after that, that same man that say he got a knife, he got a knife injured by the knife.

Shot him in the head.

I believe it's three headshots.

Greg said he was black and after they shot him, they pretended to apply help.

He was gone.

Watch the video on the internet.

It's probably Yeah, I didn't see that video Miss sassy said Then police are so hype up on Red Bull coffee and other stimulants and Supercharged just ready to shoot off the firearms No, maybe some are you know, I mean if all you can drink all day is coffee.

I guess you would be hype, right?

or Red Bull.

And then this other one.

Let me review this before we talk about this.

Go ahead.

Okay.

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You're listening to Truth in the Morning.

And, you know, unfortunately we are not unfamiliar with these type of situations.

But the reality and then with them not having body cams that that really doesn't help the narrative for their law enforcement.

And for those who have different clips that show different angles of the shooting,

you

know, it's telling a story that has people kind of confused.

Like, I saw a killing.

You know

others are saying that yeah, he was resisting and they ended up having to use deadly force because he did have a knife You know some people are saying he was cuffed and so it's a whole lot.

It's a whole lot and We gonna learn today.

Okay.

Okay.

Let me give you this one.

You ready?

Yep.

Okay.

This is Courtney off our truth talk text line a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 if you want to get in on this conversation Courtney said

that as a white woman, here is my truth.

I said this at Rodney King.

I said this at George Floyd.

I have said this multiple times in other scenarios where black people have been shot or killed by cops for absolutely no reason.

It would not happen to me.

I could throw a pot of boiling water on a cop and not get shot because I'm white.

I could be resisting arrest.

Maybe I'd get some bruises, but I would not be shot.

It's pure and simple.

My privilege gives me the benefit of the doubt, which saves my life.

And that is disgusting.

You know what?

Those are facts.

That's why you know people always like oh you just throwing in the black factor But no Usually the black person doesn't with did we not show a video?

I think I mean there's been multiple videos that we've shown on this show where a Caucasian person a white person confronts a police officer and what happens one white the last one we showed you guys

Not only was he confronting a police officer, but he started chasing the cop had pushed the cop down to the ground Was wrestling with the police officer Mm-hmm and nothing happened and the cop the cop kept trying to taste him But he didn't pull out no gun when this guy and tell me he didn't feel like his life was threatened,

right?

Tell me that Because a black person they see you black in a car.

They pulling their gun out

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Let's be real.

They pulling they gonna in this scenario They had tased this guy Mm-hmm.

They had tased him Not they didn't wait for any kind of effect to happen.

Usually, you know, give it a few stuff.

They see a knife Do they have control of the knife or anything?

Right?

You don't know if they immediately had control of

It seemed like they grabbed the knife and threw it out pretty quickly if you look back at the video Mm-hmm, and I'm not saying I'm here's my thing You know Give it a beat You know give

it a

second before you that white guy was taste numerous times they taste this brother one time and he out Okay

They

don't know what that white guy had on him that the video we showed you all the other day And maybe we can pull that out again somewhere.

I don't know if we have that still Xavier, but You know They don't do that black people don't have that privilege.

They don't have that benefit if you're a person of color Mm-hmm.

It isn't your best interest To be as calm as possible.

Yep when being approached by a police officer

Because if you're not you could end up not going you could end up not going home that part because that's the common that is the common thing Black person just like this brother didn't get a chance to go home You know and I'm not saying he was right for having a knife on him or any of the things or even how he reacted I am not but especially if you go out to these protests and whatever

Have your right mind on you.

Mm-hmm.

Don't be carrying no weapons if you black don't care no weapon I know we got concealed carrying all the things But they wasn't asking him if he had concealed carry nope

I

mean they didn't ask him nothing.

It was just like attack mm-hmm, you know

No, of course, we don't know the preamble when they were trying to talk to him, you know in the come up, you know Approaching the situation, but I'm telling you if you're a person of color And it could happen to Hispanic people too.

So don't

be fooled

that part

Your person of color being approached by the police You know keep your head together

Don't be out in these streets high or drunk.

You know, have your faculties about you.

And just follow instructions so you can go home.

And that's the only thing.

Yep.

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Welcome black truth nation Still talking about this Madison shooting

And we're seeing some

tragic

graphic videos that are being sent that we would never

play.

Yeah, we we

can't play all that.

But we can't

we can't play all that.

It

is not.

They're

not going to let us do that.

Well, I wouldn't listen.

You can't anyway.

Yeah, I know it's all over everywhere.

They put some crazy stuff.

That's what I'll be talking about.

They put some crazy stuff because it's still up.

on all kinds of social media sites.

It's still up.

Somebody's showing it on the YouTube page and all that.

But we're not going to do that.

Because one of the things that I always talk about and even in...

my other platform that I have.

It's

like, if I know that the person has lost their life, I'm not gonna do that.

That's not what I'm doing.

Yeah, the video is out there.

Yeah, this is out

there.

People just

got desensitized, baby.

You get desensitized, and the other part is, it's just not the thing to do.

Right, so we don't feed it.

because you get

desensitized

and

that's why a lot of people nowadays are like oh you know

it's only this yeah

and and the thing is yeah it is that

yeah because I have a problem when people have to find out that their loved one

was shot and killed and they see it on your footage.

Yeah, or reckless driver ended up hitting the other person's car and they body is mangled into form and you up there.

Check on your people.

Yeah.

Come

on.

Yeah.

Come on now.

Nobody need to find out and see their loved one.

And then when

you

when you do this, Bailey, I see this a lot on social media.

When you do this.

Hey, man.

That's my cousin.

That's my brother.

That's

my

sister.

Can you please take that down?

Exactly.

They get to argue with

you.

That's my

page.

Get off my page.

You don't like what I post.

You can't tell me what.

And I'm

like, they really stand on business.

I ain't taking it down.

Exactly.

Exactly.

You telling them, hey man, his mother, her mother, man, you know, she had to see that.

Can you please take that down?

Man, I ain't got nothing to do with his mama.

Yeah, no and cuz they're trying to get likes they're trying to get

like

Yeah, they're trying to get the meta check that they're thinking it's gonna be all these millions of dollars and it's not and if it's really worth your Your self-respect.

I just have some kind of the quorum about yourself.

That's it.

But we got so many people that don't care.

Yeah.

Yeah, and you know, I gotta you know So

those of you that sent us videos we appreciate

it

But we can't use them all because there's also FCC stuff that you got.

We got a bye-bye.

So we can't show everything.

That's why a lot of times you'll see us

Play video footage back from the TV stations because it's already edited.

So it's

available

to

show because they're not going to show you the

grass.

Right.

Absolutely.

And even when we played the story, if you notice, you got to hear this shots, but they stopped the video and had the blurred out portion there because again, like I don't want to be watching the news and.

I got to literally see the assassination

or you giving us a murder of

somebody like

that.

Yeah.

Or the mangled body.

Like,

no,

like you shouldn't be used to looking at that type of graphic stuff.

Right.

Exactly.

I know we live in some communities

and a video game era that you see that kind of stuff and it looks very realistic.

It does.

and you know and and a television age where they show a lot of that

you know

movies and stuff like that but and there's a lot of reality shows on but you don't see all this that's right and you know you know our kids and our young adults don't need and I don't want to see that

right

You know what I mean?

But I got some over here on the two talk text line as we wrap up today's show.

Ray said it seems like police were just too scary.

And this is why they shot the man that.

Men that many that many times, even when they say had him under control, unlike the Incredible Hulk white white man last week.

Yeah, the white guy right big CC said There was no reason for them to fire three shots into this guy.

That's true You know, I mean They need to have a little bit more patience.

I know they're concerned for their own lives too.

I do get that part, right?

but Yeah

And that's kind of like where Sean Avery senior on the YouTube page will say as a civilian, of course I see excessive force.

However, cops are trained to stop the threat and they have discretion on what level of force to use just like the Greendale cop took a beating by a man.

That part and that man did not get shot.

Discretion.

Yeah, that part.

Our producer Xavier, like he added something that he wanted to add.

What's your truth Xavier?

I just wanted to comment on like Bailey's statement about like people being desensitized growing up as a kid that you know I kind of you know, I'm probably one of the first waves of kids that grown up with the internet full access You know seeing the videos because I grew up in kind of like the wild wild west of the internet

Okay, you

know the live league videos and stuff.

Oh, yeah,

yeah, and you know gore.com and stuff like that

People are definitely desensitized like me.

I just watched the video that the guy sent and you know, literally the guys.

No, don't say it.

Don't even say it because it's even grossed out to even hear it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like me seeing that, I mean, obviously it affected me, but it's like, I don't know, me growing up seeing like cartel videos where they

were executing

people

or

something like that.

Yeah.

Or it's

like, you know, it's sad to say, but yeah, I'm a lot.

You

wanted to desensitize people.

Yes,

but I will say it does affect me.

I will say like when I saw it, I did feel bad.

I wasn't like, oh, I guess I'm desensitized to the gore.

But to the act of what happened to him, I definitely, you know, feel remorse and sorrow for him because those three shots of the head that was completely uncalled for.

Yeah,

yeah,

and it's kind of crazy how we're the only country that really has like these shootings Because like you know say like a place like in England where they have no guns or where they have to be trained on to fight people with knives and stuff like that

They

don't have these they don't have these conversations I've seen multiple videos where people have knives in these like countries and stuff like that

and

cops manage to take them down without shooting them Yeah, because most in those countries

Cops only most cops don't even care.

I walk around with guns, right?

Yeah, that's true.

Most most cops don't have guns and they were talking about when they were doing the teen takeover things.

I noted in the story it was happening in the the predominantly African-American area over in England.

And you know what?

They were like, we don't have guns.

Yeah,

our police officers do not have guns.

Absolutely.

All they have was a little Billy clubs and whatever

and taser

and

tasers.

That's it.

Yeah.

Stone cop

type

situation.

Yeah.

Because

well, they don't they didn't feel like up until that point, they didn't feel like they needed it.

Right.

Yeah, they do have armed officers, but they have to pronounce that they're armed officers.

And like those are only special units that come in right like the

Standard cop mm-hmm Billy club.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah

Yeah, but it is crazy and even Just to show the deterioration in my opinion of people and especially like in our community I can speak on them because I see it daily.

Yes, I Come up where if somebody started fighting you went the other damn way

If you heard gunshots, you went the other way.

We got some generations of people that they run to the fight.

They watch the beating and the abuse and seeing the person, oh, they busted his head open and they still like, we want more.

Like, keep on kicking him and hitting him and beating him with a bat or a pole.

Like, just all of this or

the

person is dead.

Hey, they just shot somebody.

You gonna run down to the scene.

Yeah, where they said they just shot somebody law enforcement hasn't clear cleared the scene Yeah, most of the time the ambulance won't even go in yeah until law enforcement comes and Secures the scene.

Yeah, so they can go in there sit half a block down that

part We

not gonna

do exactly

because we don't

know if the shooter is still there.

Yeah

Exactly.

And some of these EMTs have ran into some situations where the person who did shoot, they have ran up on them and been like, don't you try to save them?

Yeah.

With a gun to their head.

Like

what?

Exactly.

That's

why a lot of times you don't see the EMTs and such.

Right.

Even enter a situation

like that.

That's right.

Until the police come and clear it.

I ain't mad at them.

I ain't mad at them either because that could be their life.

Yep.

We got to be mad at some of the people in our community who created that environment.

And that's just the truth.

That is the truth.

We got to get right ahead out, Bailey.

Yeah.

A powerful show.

Yes.

I thank you for.

helping to provide another great show.

Oh, absolutely.

I thank you as well.

Partner.

That's why we're a team.

That part,

you know.

Teamwork makes the dream work.

Yep.

Thank you, Xavier, for another great show.

Thank you very much.

What you got, baby?

Trust God.

Do good.

Keep the peace, y'all.

Keep the peace.

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