BREAKING: Soda Is Bad For You (Hour 2)

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BREAKING: Soda Is Bad For You (Hour 2)

The Todd Allbaugh Show · Thu Aug 28, 2025

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

Tyler along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer.

It is six past the hour of two o'clock on this Thursday, August 28th, 2025.

A great day to be Wisconsinite.

Glad to have you along with us from the World Headquarters of downtown.

It's the World Headquarters of downtown Madison.

It's the Civic Media World headquarters in downtown Madison on a pretty nice day.

Blue skies.

Some high, cumulus clouds.

I've I've no Britain or Lowe, but I believe those are cumulus clouds.

Mr.

So I think so.

Yeah.

But

it's it's nice outside.

It is

hot.

It is not too hot at all.

Beautiful day.

Lots of people in town.

Talk about that a little bit later.

Badgers Badgers kicking off their football season tonight at Cab Randall against Miami of Ohio.

So it's not the University of Miami and it's not Ohio State.

It's the University of Miami, Ohio Which in football terminology for a D1 program should Keywords should translate to a cupcake But don't don't say that you never know that's where they play the games You can hear the game tonight across many of our stations in Richland Center to be RCE WLAK

in Amory, WFHR up in Wisconsin Rapids and WPRN in beautiful Ripon.

Here that game starting at six o'clock tonight, two hour pregame show and then the kickoff eight o'clock.

It's a late kickoff tonight.

I believe it's on the Big Ten Network televised.

And of course, right here on some of those civic media radio stations on the civic media radio network.

So tune in, Matt LePay.

Back on the air that'll be great to hear him and Towson and everybody else my Mike Heller is on that on that Broadcast as well.

So broadcast kicks off six o'clock tonight Badgers taking on Miami, Ohio and right now on some of those stations as on the Brewers radio network the Brewers wrapping up against Arizona at Ampham Field in Milwaukee Pat Murphy has a look on his face right now anything but

Murphy pancake as the Brewers are down six to two in the bottom of the third Jose Quintana was knocked out already I mean not physically but just you know six runs you're done for the day after three innings so Brewers try to get back in it lost last night, but it was a good game.

It was a good game.

So we'll talk a lot to Filney and

uh, chat homes about a little bit about badgers, but all the high school sports they're covering.

Very proud to have those guys and others here at civic media calling high school sports.

So important to so many of our community.

So we'll talk about that in hour two.

Uh, what's worse today, badgers, of course, much to my chagrin changed over sodas a few years ago, no longer Coca Cola products.

Now it's, uh,

Well, I think it was Dr. Pepper, and now I think they're back to Pepsi.

Well, Dr. Pepper is a Pepsi product.

Is it really?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

I'll double-check that.

Yeah, because Cherry Coke is Coke's response.

Got it.

All right, we'll find that anyway.

We'll do a soda edition of What's Worst Here?

coming up today in hour number two.

Yes, Dr. Pepper is

a Pepsi

product.

Oh, there you go.

That's why they got it there, right?

Very good.

Nine past the hour of two o'clock.

Wanted to start out, though, today, kind of where we left off.

where they've covered for two hours, covered the breaking news out of Minneapolis yesterday in that shooting.

Some more information has come in.

There is one additional victim now who is expected to survive.

So up to, I believe, 18 in total were injured.

Two young students, ages eight and 10, I believe, were shot and killed as they prayed in that church in Minneapolis yesterday.

The shooter then took their own life by gunshot I Want to focus most of our time here in this first segment on the helpers as Mr. Rogers Fred Rogers once so wisely said he said you know when tragedy strikes My mom always said is how watch TV or listen to the radio look for the helpers and There were a lot of them yesterday in Minneapolis

want to bring you the latest today according to CNN Minneapolis is in mourning after a shooter fired on praying students through the windows of a church yesterday killing two children 18 others are now wounded most of them students as we said the shooter is dead was identified as a 23 year old who shared a manifesto on social media

was a graduate of the school in 2017.

Investigators believe the shooter likely intended to carry out the attack inside the church.

According to a source, the shooter visited the church weeks ago, creating a detailed drawing of the interior, but the doors were locked once mass began.

So it could have been even worse in terms of casualties, but the shooter was not able to get into the church.

Proper.

What a focus on confirmed reporting.

Minneapolis police chief Brian O'Hara said law enforcement tried to interview one of the shooter's parents who lives out of state yesterday as they work to uncover as much information about the attack as possible.

Quote, I'm not sure if that occurred last night.

Unquote, speaking of the attempt to contact one of their parents, my understanding is the mother.

Of the of the shooter according to this police chief O'Hara O'Hara said that quote while there's obviously a connection between the shooter and the parish Unquote noting that the shooter was a parishioner there and his mother Used to work for the parish Investigators have not found information about any quote-unquote triggering events That would have led to the shooter to target the school and the church quote what we have found so far unfortunately

is what has been all too common in this country, is sort of a classic pathway to violence for an active shooter or a mass shooter, unquote, the chief said.

This is an individual that harbored a whole lot of hate towards many people and clearly intended to commit an act of violence with as much carnage and trauma as possible for the purpose of their own personal notoriety, unquote.

Well, here are the chief went on to say investigators believe the shooter intended to enter the church, the main entrance after barricading the side doors with two by fours, but was never able to get in because the front door, the main doors were locked.

Investigators have not found any previous arrests or issues that would have prevented the shooter from lawfully purchasing the weapons used in the attack, the chief said.

but law enforcement will work to, quote, identify any potential gaps that could have prevented something like this in the future, unquote.

Again, want to be really careful in dealing with what we know to be true at the time.

And I would offer criticism to the federal government, especially Pam Bondi, the U.S.

Attorney General, Cash Patel, FBI.

For immediately rushing to a judgment and calling this a hate crime before the local police who know this best have even Been able to ascertain all of the truthful factual information Also, there are reports that the individual who committed the shooting their mother Let me say that again their mother filed for a name change of this individual

going on three years ago.

And according to the name change, it was on file and it appears it would be identified as generally a male name to a female name.

There has not been factual information that we know of yet as reported by credible law enforcement that would clearly say that the individual who did the shooting

identified themselves as a quote unquote trans person.

We don't know that.

So there's been a lot of rush to judgment here.

And I think cooler heads need to prevail until all the facts come out.

Let's play this clip from yesterday.

I think it's worth rehearing.

This is Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry.

Who had this to say about rushing to judgment and what the focus should be on at this time?

it's on all of us and I have heard about a whole lot of hate that's being directed at our trans community Anybody who is using this as an using this

as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common humanity.

We should not be operating out of a place of hate for anyone.

We should be operating from a place of love for our kids.

Kids died today.

This needs to be about them.

This needs to be wrapping our arms around these families with every bit of love that we can possibly show.

And I know that our Minneapolis family and well beyond is prepared to do exactly that.

And so my message to everyone out there is again, these families are experiencing some acute pain right now.

But don't just think of these as somebody else's kids.

Think of your own.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry yesterday, thought his words were really well said and chosen well.

Again, we don't know factually, according to law enforcement investigators, the whole story about this shooter.

We do know this.

After the show yesterday, Zommerz and I did our post-show chat that we do.

Was going through my socials on on X someone so what happened was this shooter Allegedly created a video the night or day before and Zomers you know this stuff better than I do but apparently you can record it and you could put it on YouTube But then you schedule it to quote-unquote post or go public at a different time right so what appears to have happened is the shooter recorded a video and then scheduled it to go live or

to the public yesterday, either at the time they were doing the shooting or slightly thereafter.

And once it was public, as quickly as it was discovered, YouTube in conjunction with authorities took that down or took it off the air for those that don't don't understand the vernacular of taking it down, got rid of it.

Well, of course, in today's world, there are programs that capture and clip things and save it.

So that video was was saved in the.

online universe before it could be taken down and reposted.

A little over 10 minutes, Xamar and I sat here and forced ourselves to watch it.

I

don't recommend

doing that.

It was not pleasant.

It was atrocious.

It was sickening, and it was evil, my words.

To say that this individual, the shooter, suffered from mental illness, which obviously

Clearly, by the book, technically, they were mentally ill, but I think that just saying that, it does a great disservice to everyone who suffers with day-to-day things of, you know, depression issues or bipolar or schizophrenia, things that people can get treatment for and recover and live with and have very full and, quote-unquote, normal lives.

If you watch, and again, Zomers is right, don't do it, as we did.

If you watch this individual's video and all the weapons on the bed and talking in Joaquin Phoenix's character of the Joker voice and the My Precious voice, there's only one word that comes to mind for this individual.

Possessed.

This is what someone was far beyond mentally ill.

They were mentally disturbed and possessed and it was evil.

The individuals said, F the kids, that they were about to shoot.

Back after this more discussion of the all-ball show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

Tell them I'll show on the civic media radio network now 22 past the hour of two o'clock after the bottom of the hour update agricultural update Pam Yonkey gonna talk to our friends Phil knee and Chad Holmes I call them the two hardest working people at civic media at least on the air people for sure They're gonna be covering high school sports this weekend give us an update on that but right now I want to finish up on Again, just catching up on what happened since yesterday on this Minneapolis shooting

Want to focus again on the helpers here, but just to wrap up my thoughts from the last segment Caution urge people to just wait and let the police do their work let law enforcement do their work in Minneapolis not in DC and Let's see where the truth leads It's not rushed to judgment and in the words of Minneapolis mayor Jacob Fry remember that

Everybody's human here.

We're dealing with humans.

And if this individual who did this shooting turns out to be a person who identified themselves as a trans individual, it does not mean that everyone out there who is a trans person is evil or gonna become a mass shooter.

It has very little in my opinion of anything to do with that.

What we do know factually,

From the investigation so far is this individual was obsessed with these online?

Zomers help me.

I mean, I think what I heard it was it was a sub reddit.

So reddit for those that don't know is a social media platform.

It's much more Divided than like Facebook and and that kind of stuff.

Is that fair to say if Zomers?

Yeah, it's like it's very specific.

Yeah, there's forums So instead of just posting on Facebook and everyone sees it it would be like you're posting in a Facebook group

Right, thank you.

And

so there are these social media, Reddit sub-platforms out there.

I talked about this yesterday, where people who are beyond mentally disturbed, beyond mental illness, find like-minded people who are obsessed with killings and mass killings and unspeakable evils.

I mean, when you have an individual recording something on video that Zomers and I saw yesterday, when this individual said, correct me if I'm wrong, Zomers, they said they were sorry for their family, they loved their family, but that was it.

And F, the kids, the kids deserved it.

There was that among many, many other things and a lot of stuff written that it's just... It's sick.

And it's also...

You would think it was done for shock value like somebody just trying to think of the worst things they can say and write it's

so anyway, let's Because I mean people out there trying to use this against people who happen to be trans remember most mass shootings happen to be done by straight white Christian identified people So so if you're gonna say oh, well, you know if this person ends up being a trans person if you're gonna say well That was the cause well then you should turn it around and say well

White straight Christianity is the cause.

I mean, you know what I mean?

It's just it makes no sense.

That makes no sense So don't I just urge people let's all hold off with the law enforcement detectives do their job of Minneapolis Let's see where the truth lies Because there were all kinds of reports last night from this individuals dad and apparently stepmom there were interviews with the neighbors who said

that this family was amazing and stable and great neighbors and were shocked that this had happened, that nobody could have seen this coming from this family.

So let's focus on the helpers.

Chief Brian O'Harris in law enforcement trial, I'm sorry, that was the first story of my year.

Dr. John Gakin.

A trauma surgeon at Hennepin County Medical Center called the response by his organization to yesterday's shooting, quote, inspiring, unquote, describing how staff went above and beyond to care for the victims, many of them children.

In one instance, he said, a nurse manager climbed into a CT or CAT scanner along with a child to comfort the young scared patient, quote, one of the children.

were very scared and alone because everybody was running around and doing their jobs.

And the nurse manager went into the cat scanner with the patient, putting herself basically in harm's way of radiation, which normally we evacuate the room.

Geichen said.

She put a little lead on and held the hand of the patient and held her hair while she went through the scanner.

Speaking of the nurse manager.

so she didn't have to go through it alone.

Nurse said, I don't care if I get some radiation, I'm going to hold this kid's hand and help them get through this.

Hero.

Unrecognized heroes from the shooting include a child who was shot while protecting another student and teachers who rushed to get kids to safety, according to EMS chief Martin Shearer.

Quote, we had one kid that covered up another kid and took a gunshot blast to his back, unquote.

Quote, teachers were amazing.

The teachers were getting shot at.

They were protecting the kids, unquote.

The EMS chief said the emergency medical response to the shooting, quote, went as well as they could be expected.

We all trained for this and things went well on that part.

No matter how much you trained for it, it's still really difficult.

on the team.

And finally, a neighbor.

Just a neighbor.

Patrick Scalan lives about a block away from the school.

He ran towards the school.

When he heard the shots come out, rang out.

He found two who were quote, quote, quote, obviously hurt.

A bullet had grazed one girl on the forehead.

He said another student had been shot in the neck, quote, the girl that was shot in the head.

I have received a couple of text updates.

She went through surgery.

I think successfully.

I assume she's recovering well and I know her surgery has been completed."

He said he has not heard how the girl's shot in the neck is doing the other girl.

He said he kept a close eye on her looking for signs of deterioration.

He said, quote, I don't have medical training.

So I just did the best I could.

Garrison Keeler.

said it best.

Love has brought a good many people to safety.

When competence was exhausted and could do nothing.

Back after this with Phil Neve, Chad Holmes talking high school sports.

It's the all ball show for on the Civic Media Ready Network.

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Turns out, Summers, we were kind of liars because in the last segment, we were talking about Pepsi and Dr. Pepper.

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We are joined by two of our great colleagues I call them the two hardest working on-air people in civic media the general manager and host of those were the days he has his own talk show and the voice of high school sports in Southwest, Wisconsin Mr. Phil knee on the line as well as the general manager has his own talk show and the voice of central Wisconsin sports from WX

Now look, these two guys, they got their own life.

They're on the road and they're taking time for our little dog and pony show via the phone.

Gentlemen, welcome to the show.

Hello there, Todd.

Thank you very much, Todd.

I appreciate you both having on.

I know you're joining us as you're on the road, so we'll hope our audience just look, they're doing us solid here by coming on via cell phone.

Phil, let's start with you.

I know technically the high school sports season kicked off last week, but this is really the week I think with the Badgers kicking off tonight as well, that everybody's kind of focused in now for many people, at least in public schools, starting next week.

exactly.

Yeah, this is it.

A lot of schools in our area played Thursday games last week.

While there are a few this week, most of our area teams in Southwest Wisconsin are playing Friday night, so it really seems like a big night of high school football.

It's the last week of the non-league games for our area teams and they'll start conference play next week.

It's also the first year of a new WIA playoff point system, which they garner points at the end of the year.

They're going to add it up and hopefully do a bit better job of seating the

playoffs coming up in october

and chad holmes i know you're literally joining us for a team bus right now on the way to a game tonight is that right yeah

that's right uh... uh... the wisconsin valley conference schools are all plain thursday night game again this week uh... and i'm with the wasa west football team as we are just past or penny no west on highway twenty nine heading towards hot since four of the game tonight

Now, this would be, we won't do it today, but this would be a fun game to play.

Stump, Phil and Chad, because I bet between the two of you guys, there are not many sports fields in this state that between the two of you, you haven't been to.

We've been to a lot of them.

It was fun last Friday.

I actually went to a new place.

I went to Westby for the first time down in Southwest Wisconsin, and it was

From Wausau to Westby is not the easiest track.

There's a lot of two-lane roads and I was with one of the area football club commentator and basically the whole time he is looking out for deer and making me very nervous and it was like a two and a half hour ride on a two-way road and there were times where I had no idea where I was.

But we fortunately did not have any deer issues and got back safely.

Now, Phil, Westby is just just outside of WRCO's listening area where you and I grew up in Southwest Wisconsin.

In our neck of the woods, deer, especially when you're an Elroy Pampoo's Driver's Ed class, that's just a day-to-day obstacle,

right?

Oh, absolutely.

My, my 2005 Pontiac Vive has hit four of them over the years, you know, so I'm, I'm well aware of, of deer on the roadways.

The other obstacle in the, in the West B area, actually a lot of Amish buggies and bicycles too.

You have to be very careful of,

but yeah, you get great, great cookies.

That's the trade off.

I'm a great baker, a great bakery, a must-be with the Amish bakeries.

Oh,

that's

true.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

I forgot about

that.

All right, back to the matters at hand, gentlemen.

Chad, what are the hot teams in North Central Wisconsin and the WXCO area?

I suppose you got to give a shout out to the team you're riding with or you won't get a ride home.

But what are you looking at in the XCO area?

Well, yes, I think we had three games last week.

We had three winners last week, so we're three and oh so far this season, so it's all been very good.

I

think Los Alamos is a team that will be in the upper half of the Wisconsin Valley Conference.

I think there's a lot of good skill.

I think D.C.

Umbrus and Art Decker-The-Woods made it to the semifinals a year ago.

They have some good talent back.

They'll be right there.

Steven's points.

is also a team from the Valley that I think has the potential to make a decent run.

But the Valley just needs to be a little more consistent.

We've seen the big rivers that we were playing tonight with Hudson have had the better of the games with the Wisconsin Valley in recent years.

And that is closing the gap a little bit.

But I think still in the Fox Valley and also the big rivers, those are the division one schools that have been troublesome for the Valley teams.

Small schools are actually the central Wisconsin that are really, really solid.

You have Stratford, who I think is going for four in a row in terms of state championships.

You got Edgar, who is always there.

They've won a couple of state championships in the last couple of years.

In fact, Edgar and Stratford play a non-conference game tomorrow night that a lot of people are looking forward to in this part of the state as well.

And on the eight player side, tomorrow night, I'll be doing Newman Catholic football.

We do them as well.

and they have won a couple of C championships in the last four years, and they're always a rock solid program in the eight player game.

We're talking with Chad Holmes from WXCO in Wausau, Wisconsin, and Phil Knee at WRCO WRCE in Richland Center in Southwest Wisconsin.

Phil, in terms of Southwest area of the state, what are the teams you're looking to cover?

Who could make some noise in this year's high school sports area?

Well tomorrow night will be on the road with River Valley.

They're taking on Wisconsin Dells River Valley is kind of building back up a program They have a new coach in fact our conference of Southwest Conference has four new head coaches It's kind of unprecedented, but a lot of unknowns in the league.

We're looking forward to your old alma mater Richland Center I think they're they're kind of on the upswing and

there were no

right game last week and yeah big win against Baroque last week and they had a running back Brady Dosh who had 247 yards

rushing, so they're looking pretty good.

And then on the eighth player side, North Crawford and DeSoto look really strong here in southwest Wisconsin.

Well, in the words, the late, great, alvitas rip, my old high school football coach, that is excellent.

Father, father, yes, my son.

So that's great news.

Here, let's talk, Chad.

You guys brought this up.

Phil did, I think.

What about this points system?

Because I know last year, correct me guys if I'm wrong, you had teams with losing records going to the playoffs.

I'm old school.

If you haven't got a winning record, I don't think you deserve postseason.

But Chad, what's your take on this new system?

Is it going to help?

Well, I think it will.

Don't quiz me on the details quite yet.

All these numbers based on who you play and who you beat.

But I know right here in Central Wisconsin last year, well, Everest won the Wisconsin Valley Conference.

They beat Steven's point in the regular season.

But yet somehow, DC Everest got a very short straw at a number seven seed.

But it showed again that basically those seedings

were way

off because they went and won three straight road games.

They could complete the finals.

They fell right from the very beginning.

They were vastly under seated.

I do think that the way they're doing it.

this time around has the potential to be a stronger, ultimate seeding process and a better bracket for when we do get to the playoffs.

But again, I'm very curious to see how it does work.

Phil, your opinion on this new system to be IAA in terms of, I mean, we're not talking, it's not voting or anything.

I mean, do you know the particulars of how this works in terms of assigning points, not just wins?

Sure, and I'm kind of waiting to pass judgment on it before, you know, I think the end of the season will know a little bit more.

But for instance, Richland Center is a little bigger school tomorrow night.

They play Potosi Castfield, which is a smaller school.

The smaller school benefits if they defeat Richland Center because.

They get more points for the bigger school that they play, and especially if Bristol Center goes on and has a good season, they can use that kind of as a lobby there toward the end of the season.

So it's advantageous for some of these schools, especially in the non-conference, to play larger schools and try to get a win to maybe get more points for the playoffs.

I think that's really cool, because for those in southwest Wisconsin, you know, I, as Phil said, went to Richland Center and, you know, we play a smaller town like Fedamor, which isn't all that far away, but a smaller school.

So if, you know, hey, if it's kind of the, the, the David knocking off the Goliath, you get extra points for that then, right, Phil?

exactly.

And the same thing holds true for Richland Center.

Potosi Castle went to state, the state final last year.

So let's say they have a good season.

It also bodes well on the other side for Richland Center, even if they lose to them, you know, that they have played down this year and that could help them down the road.

Chad Holmes some of these we've talked with our civic media sports director Jimmy Cusco on some of these IAA changes things like you know there is a limited I think that's a fair term to say a limited version of NIL now in high school sports but it's pretty complicated also this new rule that if fans parents start harassing the officials they could be tossed out and have to go basically to like school and learn how to be a better fan before they can

Chad, in your opinion, what sort of changes on the WIAA are you watching that you think are good for the sport that fans might actually see a difference this year?

And I do think that the basically having a quota conduct for the fans is important.

I've seen way too often in recent years where there are some fans that just do cross the line and we're

in

an era right now where it's difficult to get officials.

And if you're going to have to be a fan that is constantly writing the officials all the time, the officials are going to say, hey, I don't need this.

I mean, yeah, it's getting a little extra money to get closer to Christmas time.

But at the same time, is it really well worth it?

And if you're so bad that ultimately you have to be kicked out the fact that they have to go and take a mini class to get back in, I think is one of the things that is vitally important.

And this NIL, and again, I'm going to be

curious

to see how it works.

I saw a posting on social media a few weeks ago.

It was an announcement from a stud basketball player.

And obviously he was going to a school in Wisconsin.

And it had all the earmarks of something like that.

It did not have the normal transfer feel to it.

And in my ten I kind of perked up.

I don't know all the details, but I think there's going to be some kind of maybe ripples, not a whole lot.

But I think some of these schools, who knows, may be able to use something in order to get the kids coming in.

And I really can't say that it's something I'm looking forward to being.

Right.

Phil in Southwest Wisconsin, have you seen any of those repercussions of the new kind of modified NIL for high school?

And I know your colleague or friend, Henry Bray, their RCO in Southwest Wisconsin, is an official himself.

Any thoughts on that?

Yeah, he's an official and I think he really appreciates the fact of the new conduct rule.

I've seen like Chad, I've seen a lot of bad instances of fans pushing coaches and refs and things like that after games.

So, you know, that needs to be stopped.

And I think that's a way to do that.

As far as NIL, I'm not sure that athletes in our area, you know, that affects them that much as far as getting endorsements and things like that.

But Chad is right.

I think teams can use that as some sort of leverage to get them to come to their area, especially some of the higher populated areas.

Yeah.

I'm excited, guys.

I mean, you know, for those of us that grew up in a special, well, I mean, football is in high school sports.

It's both urban and country.

But boy, the smell of fall, the fresh grass on the field, it's a little nippy in the air.

It just, there's some excitement about it.

And I'm so happy that both you, Phil Knee at RCO and you, Chad Holmes at XCO, are two of the very best in this business.

You've been doing it a long time.

We're fortunate to have you at Civic Media.

And people should download the Civic Media app.

you can hear Phil knee and Chad Holmes on the respective stations for free guys travel safely and thanks for taking time with us today.

Thank you

Phil

I appreciate that come on back with more after this on the Civic Media radio network.

To get to where those game day jerseys down the hall.

Kings of the school men, where the boys have fought.

Well, it's turning faces, stars and stripes.

It's fighting back them butterflies.

It's calling in the air already.

Yes, sir, we won the ball.

And it's knocking heads and talking trash.

Slingin' mud and dirt and grass.

It's a guy in number.

A guy in your back when your back's against the wall.

You're messed with one man.

You've got a song.

The boys of fall.

Welcome back to the title of the show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

One of my favorite Kenny Chesney songs, Boys of Fall, here on the Civic Media Ready Network.

He sang that when he played Lambeau Field.

a few years ago and had some of the Packard players and coaches up there on the on the stage.

Lyric's just great.

And many thanks to Phil D and WRCO, WRCE and Chad Holmes of WXCO.

And when I say they're the two hardest on air working people in civic media, I'm not making that up because these guys are getting up and doing morning shows at the crack of dawn.

hosting their own talk shows, managing stations, and then getting in their cars in the afternoon and going and covering high school sports.

Yeah, they are.

You're not the only one to hold this opinion.

I mean, I do too.

Like they are both true old school radio guys in the highest sense of that in terms of work ethic and like, you know, the radio is always on.

So I always need to be on.

And I think that.

I know that our owner and CEO Sage Weil, one of his core missions of this company is to have community involvement and to report things in individual communities.

And no one does that better, in my opinion, than Filney and Chad Holmes.

Because at the end of the day, and we look, we appreciate very much everyone who listens to this show.

But at the end of the day, it's what's happening in your individual community.

It's more important than what I'm saying It's listening to the games of the girls softball the guys football You know they our local stations cover the results of the local forensic meet they tell you when the local high school band concert is gonna be The city council

Those are the things that matter in each of our communities and like the Kenny Chessie song there says There's just a certain Magic I'll use the word On a night like tonight or tomorrow night when it's a little nippy in the air like I say you could smell the fresh cut grass and and these guys go out there and It's a team building thing And it's really positive for your mental health

to be part of something that's larger than you and to have that camaraderie, to work through adversity, to share highs and lows, Brady Union has talked about it on this show several times.

And so hats off to all the coaches because so many of these coaches are not getting paid what the, you know, the work they put in.

It's a stipend.

They're not making money on this.

Many thanks to all the officials, the referees working out there.

to Chad and Phil's point, so many of these folks, men and women, are doing this because they want to support young people, support athletics.

And that's what it's about.

As I said, I was just a manager for a football.

I was no Rob Wheat, you understand?

Wheaty or Kevin Monroe or Ron Swigam or, you know, I could keep going on.

Great great athletes, you know on our our football team I wasn't out there playing but you know Daniels and I the two managers along with David Turk Now he's the county board chair Richelon County understand Back then he was a manager like me But even even for us guys were the managers you you were a part of the team and it's great coaches great old-school coaches like the late great of Linus rip Who could you know really cut loose what he was angry?

but he'd do anything for you to help you out, give you a ride somewhere, write you a hall pass to get out and study all.

He'd go to bat for you.

And at his best, that's what high school athletics is, and we're so proud to cover it for you here on the Civic Media Ready Network.

And a reminder again, if you don't live in, in Richland Center Proper or Warsaw Proper,

I know we have guys, Don Brown, I believe, down at WAUK, down in the walkie-shot area.

We've got folks in Wisconsin Rapids.

We've got folks in Park Falls who are covering high school sports as well.

And so that's the benefit of downloading the Civic Media app.

You can do it today for free.

Just simply go to your app store on your iPhone or your Android device, type in Civic CIVIC.

and it'll pop up, takes less than a minute.

It is free as what Gale King calls a deal.

And here's the deal.

Tomorrow, free ticket Friday.

We will be here live.

We're doing it live tomorrow.

We'll give you another word tomorrow and you'll have a chance to win four club level seats to a future Milwaukee Brewers game.

Probably glad you're not there today.

Well, there's time left.

It's the top of the sixth.

Arizona sixth, the Brewers have come back four.

So six to four Arizona top of the six in Ampham Field in Milwaukee will continue to follow that for you.

And also we've stirred up a soda controversy because now Phil Knee said while he was on it, Mr. Pibb was a pepsi.

He said it was a pepsi product, which is not

true.

Troy, one of our great listeners, Troy out in Monhorib, listening to WMDX says, this is the exact text he said, quote, former Coke dealer here.

Mr. Pibb is a coke product unquote, which we had to quickly clarify clarify on the stream a Coca-Cola dealer

Well, I guess Troy himself is not clarified, but I can be pretty certain he means

I've met Troy He was a Coca-Cola dealer.

He was not a coke dealer So apparently mr. Pibb is in fact a Coca-Cola product

So, uh, if you want to know about soda branding, uh, don't listen to us.

It's what I've learned today.

PJ on, uh, on, uh, Facebook and all, YouTube, uh, says Mr. Pibb now known as Pibb Extra?

It's a spicy

cherry soda.

Yeah, not Pibb Extra.

Alright, well, interesting.

Uh, we're gonna continue.

the Soda discussion with a little what's worse for you on the other side and preview Badger Football.

They kick off tonight on many of our stations on the Badger Radio Network.

It's the all-ball show for now.

Stay tuned for hour two on the Civic Media Radio Network.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across

Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network.

and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Alba, along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer on the board.

It's six minutes past the hour of three o'clock on this Thursday, August 28th, 2025.

It is a great day to be in Wisconsinite.

Welcome in, everybody.

Blue skies here from the world headquarters of downtown Madison on State Street.

The cameras are tilted down a little bit right now because we wanted to focus on the people.

You understand the people?

But the sky is blue.

Trust me.

There are some people.

There's a young woman in red pants and a white shirt.

Now she's probably going to the Badger game tonight.

By

the way,

Saubers, I know that you have forgotten, but you're going to the game tonight.

Yes, I am.

You know, earlier in the week, Todd was like, college football is starting.

And I was like, yeah, I guess it is.

Um, because I don't really pay attention to that.

I said, I said, well, they kick off on Thursday and then all of a sudden he's like, Oh, wait a minute.

I'm going to that.

Yeah.

Look, I, uh, I don't know what I'm doing,

but you have, you have tickets for the night.

No, I do.

So enjoy that.

That's, uh, that's, uh, Daniel on YouTube says, Hey, everybody.

Happy Thursday.

Happy Thursday, Daniel.

Glad to have you along.

During the break, I was talking about I brought in some Green Bush donuts for the office today to celebrate the Badgers kicking off their football season tonight.

Jeff Perry, our friend and ongoing contributor on Facebook says Green Bush donuts are amazing.

One of them was a W. Yeah, it was all kind of a.

Shape of a W, motion W. Also, Jeff said that Fosdahl, Bakery and Stoughton makes excellent donuts.

I have not been.

I've heard good things.

So everybody at a festive mood here in downtown Madison today because the ever popular and always tough Miami of Ohio is in town.

And it's great because the students are back here in Madison and I was driving through campus earlier today.

I have my big physical tomorrow's armors, as you know.

And so I had to get my lab work done ahead of time.

So I went down, the ride go to the doctor is down to your campus.

So I drive through campus to see what the flavor is.

And it's great to have the students back because already now, up on the student housing balconies, there are signs made out of bedsheets and paint with wonderful things that I cannot say on the air.

Oh, naturally.

Always.

About Miami of Ohio.

It started out by saying the fake Miami of Ohio.

And then it said something else.

Or the fake Miami, I think it said.

So the students are ready to go late kickoff tonight.

Eight o'clock.

Eight o'clock.

But they're going to have like wristbands.

Or lights.

It's going to light up LED lights.

I did not know that.

Honestly.

You're going to get lit up tonight.

I was kind of just told like, Hey, there's a game out eight.

Do you want to go?

I'm like, sure.

You can hear the game across many of our stations on W R C E and Richland Center, W L A K and a Marie W F H R in Wisconsin Rapids and W R P N in beautiful ripping broadcast starts at six o'clock tonight.

Mike Heller and the crew on the pregame show and then Matt LaPay starts another great season.

for the Badgers across those same stations, play by play, kick off around eight o'clock from the camp.

And you can hear that on those civic media stations over the air.

So I believe Badger Sports, we can stream, right?

I think so.

I don't remember what the verdict was on that.

I think there was some controversy.

Not controversy.

Give it a try, you never

know.

It's a better chance to the lottery ticket.

That's true.

I'll tell you that right now.

We're going to talk a little bit of Badger sports about that kickoff.

I will give you now.

Here's the deal.

Normally our friend Brady Ewing, former Badger and NFL player joins us and gives the because normally we give our do this on the Friday before the first Saturday game.

Or there's been a couple of times now when the Badgers played on Friday night.

And I say this was love and respect.

Tonight's game being eight o'clock on a Thursday.

is not a compliment.

Okay, it's not.

It tells you a lot.

It does not.

And so, but anyway, and so Brady, you know, he has a day job.

He doesn't need this.

And so he's up in Minnesota, I think, today.

So he couldn't call in because he has to do his day job.

So here now, I alone will have to give you my predictions for the Wisconsin football season.

We'll do that a little bit later on this half hour.

Have a cut from Luke Fickle, the head coach of the Badgers.

on why the offense has changed, what his expectations, the Badgers have, what is known to be the toughest schedule in D1 college football this year.

Talk a little bit about that.

And what's up with thick, not naming captains?

That's real, by the way.

And so there's that.

Brewers.

Right now in the bottom of the sixth in Milwaukee, Arizona still leads six to four.

Arizona over the Brewers now going into the top of the seventh inning.

Want to get to this before we go to what's worse from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

And we touched on it yesterday, but because of the breaking news yesterday, we did get a chance to really

suss this out is this.

You can't say suss it out anymore because now suss means something else, right?

Suspicious.

Right.

But you, my day, it says, well, you're going to suss it out.

It means you're going to, you're going to talk it out.

You're going to work it out.

You're going to get into the details.

But now if something is suss, uh, suspicious, it's kind of like a different rendition of sketchy or sketch.

It is.

I mean, it's.

It's sus because it's three characters because it's easy to type and I can go more into the history of sus But I really if do you want me to

history of

it's not long

like this as long as we're here like

this sure so There's a mobile game.

It's also you can play it on a computer on some consoles called among us That blew up a few years ago as in got very popular You have a bunch of people working on space stations one of you is actually a trader an alien and you sneak through vents

And while everyone else is doing their jobs, you try and kill them and not get noticed.

And then everyone votes on who they think the killer is, and they get thrown out of the airlock or whatever.

And so people would be like, red is sus, meaning like the red astronaut was acting weirdly.

So we think it's them.

Thus concludes today's segment of the history of sus with our own Aaron Zombers.

The more you know.

That's good though, but it's a little, we used to have board games back at my day and it was called Clue and like the Colonel Mustard did it with a candlestick.

But now it's no, the red astronaut is sus.

That's too many words.

You know, cause they're typing on their phones, you gotta get hip with the lingo and use as few characters as possible.

Some places still use a lot of words like the Milwaukee Journal said

no there we go

Great reporter Jesse O'Poyen Governor Tony Evers request disaster declaration from President Trump after historic Milwaukee area flooding

Governor Evers requested a presidential disaster declaration from Trump as the Milwaukee area continues to recover from massive storms and historic flooding from earlier this month.

Quote, having been on the ground to see firsthand some of the areas that have been hit hardest by the disastrous storms and flash floods that have affected folks across our state, it's clear it's going to take a significant amount of time and resources to recover.

Evers said in a statement yesterday, quote, my administration and I have been working diligently to respond and support cleanup efforts, but it's clear more help is needed to support the people of Wisconsin and ensure that they can rebuild on quote.

The governor previously submitted a request on August 13th for federal emergency management agency or FEMA to work with the state on formal federal preliminary damage assessments.

12 days after thousands of Milwaukee area residents woke up to find overnight flooded had damaged their homes, businesses, and livelihoods, the boots of the first FEMA team hit the ground.

Four teams operated in Milwaukee County and one each in Milwaukee Shaw and Washington counties.

About 20 FEMA staff were embedded in those teams, which also included state and local emergency management personnel and the U.S.

small business.

administration.

The assessment found 1,500 residential structures that were destroyed or sustained major damage.

Total damage cost estimates at over $33 million.

Additionally, initial reports collected by the state show more than $43 million in public sector damage throughout six counties.

State and federal officials will further assess damage to public infrastructure next month, according to the governor's office.

Two men living in a homeless encampment were found drowned, and at least two others from the same encampment along the Konikinik River remain missing.

Evers August 13th requests from FEMA's review follow report for the Wisconsin Emergency Management showing that initial reviews of damages suggested the state would meet the threshold for federal assistance.

The report allows Evers to ask FEMA for a formal assessment which now allows a request for formal presidential disaster declaration and federal disaster relief.

It seems like to me this is taking way too long.

It seemed and I I'm not faulty the governor or the governor's office I'm not sure whether it's there whether it's the Trump administration It just seems like this is taking longer than it normally would I don't know that whether it's because of the doggy the doge the Elon Musk cuts to FEMA earlier All I know is there's a lot of people that need help in southeast, Wisconsin I'm glad it's moving along the way it is now, but it just seems like this has taken way too long Here's the key thing if you need to report damage

Contact 211.

Just, you know, we have other numbers to dial or call.

Just 211.

Contact 211 to report damage.

Additionally, residents with flood damage are encouraged to contact their insurance agent, document the report, and save receipts for any related expenses.

I just, my heart goes out to these folks.

We've got people in this company that have been

affected by this.

And I hope that all of us, I know in Southeast Wisconsin, particularly for listeners at WAUK, in the Milwaukee area, I know they've been asking for blood donations there for donations to the Red Cross.

And I know our friend, Jane McNair and Matt Nair is reminding people of this.

When you're giving out money, do it to someplace that you know, like the Red Cross, a local organization that you have a connection with.

to make sure that the monies are going to the right places and that they can actually be used for what they're supposed to be used for.

Again, if you need to report damage to the Milwaukee area from these tragic floods, 2-1-1 is the number to dial.

2-1-1.

Continue to, and again, my hats off to Governor Evers and their staff and also to the congressional delegation for finally sending a joint letter across party lines.

because things like this should not be partisan.

We're all Wisconsinites.

Each of us should do what we can, when we can, to help our friends and neighbors.

All right, should we open up the thing or should we wait till we come back?

We have a

minute,

so

it's up

to you.

I feel like we should wait till we come back.

Okay.

It's like a bottle of soda.

If you shake it up, you gotta let it sit for a minute before you open it up.

Otherwise...

You get sprayed with sticky coke

and nobody wants that

and nobody wants that

Although diet coke and Mentos

Oh Lord don't give people ideas.

It's it's a fun experiment for little kids if you do it outside like on a tarp or something You can easily clean up, but uh, yeah, it goes crazy

word outside.

Yes, very much outside

That's right.

I'm walking Brewers right now the Brewers are stood the bottom of the seventh

and the crew still trying to come from behind.

Six to four Arizona bottom of the seventh in Milwaukee.

Come on back.

We're gonna play a soda edition.

Sugar or no sugar, don't go anywhere.

It's the All Ball Show across Wisconsin on the Civic Media.

Ready

Network.

Welcome back to the Taliban show the civic radio radio network 22 now past the hour of three o'clock on Thursday, August 28.

What are you playing?

What is this?

Sugar Magnolia by the Grateful Dead.

Oh, very nice.

Very good.

Did you just feel that in your room?

In my room here, and I have shorts on today, and my Badger polo shirt, suddenly the air condition in the studio just kicked on with a great force, like an airplane.

It's blowing up my leg.

And

I'm not

complaining, by the way.

I'm just commenting.

I did not have that here.

All right.

He's on his wishes that he did.

We can open the door between our two studios to get some of this cool air if you want it.

Alright, 23 past the hour of 3 o'clock.

Time once again to play What's Worse.

Let's go.

Time once

again to play What's Worse.

No prize money involved.

Nothing to give away.

But it is your chance to have your voice heard in all 10-ish new sports and talk stations across the Pacific media.

I say 10-ish.

Because the Brewers are playing on some of our network stations right now over the air, but we are on the app right now Brewers are in the bottom of the seventh two men on for the crew six to four Arizona so crew trying to come back now in the bottom of the seventh only one out two on so let's hope they can

Come back and get that win.

Chicago bombed last night on the West Coast in San Francisco.

William Thomas, former brewer, helping out.

And I think the the Cubs lost like 13 to three or 13 to four to San Francisco.

So going into today, the crew still six and a half games ahead of the Cubs in the NL Central.

We'll keep you updated on that.

All right.

The.

Badgers kick off their home opener football team tonight at Camp Randall.

Can be heard on many of these stations across civic media against Miami of Ohio.

And if you go to the camp tonight, like Zomers is, your only soda option is Pepsi products because Pepsi has the contract now for UW Sports.

The category today, what's worse, sugared soda or diet soda?

Sugared soda.

or diet soda.

8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2.

If you're watching on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, X, Twix, the graphic for today is Pepsi, appropriately enough because you're gonna see Pepsi products if you go to the game tonight.

So you have regular Pepsi on one side for sugared sodas, and you have diet Pepsi for diet soda.

What's worse, sugared soda or diet soda?

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, 8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8-4-2.

Let's go to the phone lines.

Our friend, ongoing contributor, Mr. Jeff Perry, Jeffrey, sugared soda or diet soda, what's worse?

I think this will be an unpopular opinion, but I'm going to say sugared sodas are worse.

Really?

I would not have said that as a young man, but this is all because of how much I enjoy Coke Zero.

I think that Coke Zero is better than regular Coke.

And since they have put it on tap at Culver's, I drink it even more than ever.

Are you being paid for

this

endorsement for me?

No payment.

I got no no payment on this.

No no stock in the company But coke zero is to me the best and I won't drink.

I won't drink Pepsi So what's the water before I drink Pepsi?

All right.

What's the what's the sweetener used in the coke zero?

I you know what I have no idea and I probably don't

It can be

arsenic as far as

Jeff is concerned.

It's aspartame.

And it's

aspartame.

And assesulfame potassium, something else.

God bless you.

That's what you're drinking, Jeff.

Some kind of material that they mine from asteroids.

That's right.

That's right.

Sorry.

Well, I'm going to reveal my answer here in a bit.

But OK, so you're you're a sugar and soda.

You're saying is worse than the than

the

highly monoclose hydrogenated oil you put into your body with Coke Zero.

The more chemicals, the better.

Ain't that the truth?

All right.

Appreciate it, Jeff.

Have a great Labor Day weekend, by the way.

And you as well.

Any big plans?

No, I think I might go to the Orton Park Music Festival in Madison.

That's my only plan.

All right.

We'll enjoy that.

All right.

Thank you, Jeffrey.

Have a nice weekend.

855-752-4842.

Let's go to Kurt, listening on MDX of Madison.

Kurt, sugared soda or diet soda.

What's worse?

Gentlemen, I hate to hear the hell of a previous caller, but if you do any research online,

Diet sodas are terrible because it fools the brain in producing insulin.

So your body is getting hit with abnormal amounts of insulin.

So if you want to get to type two, diabetes faster, go with the diet.

This is not good for our friend, Jeff.

I hope he's listening.

This is true, though.

All right.

Well, I appreciate the insight, Carl.

So I'm assuming you're going to say diet sodas worse.

Uh, if you, if you're looking on health side, yeah, if you don't care about your body, go for it.

All right.

Thank you, Kurt.

Uh, have a nice, uh, I, I, I'm wishing people a happy Labor Day weekend, Somers.

It's only Thursday.

We're going to be

here tomorrow.

It feels like a Friday.

It feels like a Friday.

Many people won't be, but we'll be here tomorrow.

Uh, Greg and Genesee Depot on the text line says, I don't care what's at Coke zero.

I love it.

Heather up in beautiful Eau Claire Wisconsin on Facebook listening to WCFW the tab sugar soda is worse Not only because it could kill me she happens to be a diabetic But diet is better also because if it spills it does not cause a sticky mess.

I didn't know that I didn't know that she says also not related She say but I may not be available for the bachelor.

Oh

What's going on?

People, like, all right.

Well, that's a long story we're not gonna get into right now.

We're not gonna go to break and come back and we're gonna continue.

What's worse?

Sugars sodas or diet sodas?

I'm gonna reveal our picks and I am going to tell you what the final badger score is gonna be.

Don't miss that.

The swami says on the Civic Media Network.

Ruth, wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.

Welcome back to Total Ball Show on the Civic Media Radio.

We're 35 minutes now past the hour of three o'clock on this Thursday, August 28th, 2025.

Zobbers on the board as the Wisconsin Badgers are getting ready to kick off the college football season later on tonight across many of these stations.

Pre-game show starts at six o'clock.

Be here or be absent.

W. R. C. E. in Richland Center W. L. A. K. in Amory W. F. H. R. in Wisconsin Rapids or as the locals say Rapids and also our great partners to be RPN in Rippon or as the locals say Rippon.

So there's that should be great Matt LePay on the call tonight kickoff at 8 o'clock pregame show at 6 the Badgers taking on Miami of Ohio We're gonna preview that game and the entire season in just a minute, but first of all I want to finish up what's worse Lots of entries lots of feelings on this what's worse sugared soda or diet soda sugared soda

or diet soda, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Now, one of our callers called him before the break there and said, if you don't care about your body, then drink the diet soda because it has terrible, terrible chemicals in it.

And it gives you a diet beat as quicker.

And so there's that.

Jeff Perry, who said earlier, he called in and said that he was all about the diet soda.

He quotes our caller and says, if you don't care about your body, he says, I think it's pretty obvious that I don't.

Thank you, Jerry.

Jerry, I like you better Jerry.

I call you Jerry Petty.

Tony, watching on Facebook says sugar and soda is worse.

Ever since they, whoever they are, put in high fructose corn syrup in instead of real sugar.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He says, bring on more diet Mountain Dew or my, or Mountain Dew zero with these prices today, the generic substitutes.

All right, Tony.

Now here, I do not compliment Donald Trump very often.

I don't say this very often, but I'll say this.

I'm with Trump on cane sugar for Coke

the thing is when you just go on Twitter and announce Hello, everybody.

We've actually worked out a deal Coca-Cola is only doing Mexican Coke from now on and they're just like

You didn't talk to us about that.

This is not a policy.

We're not doing that.

I think they're not going to only do that, but they're going to offer it more readily.

Because for those that don't know, if you go to a proper Mexican restaurant or a Hispanic restaurant, a Latino restaurant, and you ordered a Mexican Coke in a bottle, that the reason they call it Mexican Coke is because Coke that is

manufactured in Mexico or Central America is made with real cane sugar.

It actually

is different.

Instead of the high fructose corn syrup, and it does taste different, in my opinion, better.

And cane sugar is a natural product, in my opinion.

My opinion it is.

But I think it's better for your system.

That's just me.

Tony.

It's still not

good.

Tony in, in, no, this is not an endorsement to drink all kinds of soda.

Tony on Facebook.

We just read

that.

Clearly, I need more sugar soda.

Need more caffeine.

Here's the problem.

I didn't have a cup of coffee until partner 1030 today because I had these labs.

I told this story on the Pat Crite Law Show this morning because I was late going to a show because I didn't have any coffee and I was going to do it the day before.

But, you know, to do the urinalysis, the blood work, you're not supposed to eat or drink anything for like 10 hours or 12 hours, and you can't use the restroom because they want your, you know, whatever.

And so I got up on Wednesday morning and I was just routine.

I was like, well, I got it.

Take a leak.

And so I'm like, I'm half way through.

I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have done that.

Now I can't do my labs.

So then so.

And so last night I went about how am I, you know, I thought I could write myself a note.

I happen to have some blue painters tape out because it's in my travel kit when I go on the road.

And so I took blue painters tape and I put it across the toilet seat.

So when I woke up this morning, I'm like, no, no, no, you can't go to the restroom.

So.

I didn't have any coffee.

I didn't use the restroom.

And then, thank God, Parker, the great producer for Mornings of Pat Crite, little Parker says, sends me a text and say, hey, you got to come on Pat's show or you can't go on.

So I was late getting on there.

It was a mess.

And I had coffee late.

It is messed up my entire day.

Yeah, I know.

I don't.

Zombers is looking at me like this is old man problems right here.

You know what you're exactly right

No, I agree.

It's coffee problems, you know when your body's used to having something and then it doesn't all right

Zombers did we get any of the text we need to get to it's a text Megan our own Megan a texted in oh, yeah, that's right.

What did she say?

She said diet soda is the worst it doesn't taste right if I'm drinking soda Just give me the sugar that comes with

it.

I agree with that

I agree with that, Megan Wells.

We have here, John Oshkosh says, diet, Mountain Dew is liquid crack.

Julian Wasson, XCO, neither is good for you or our health, but I prefer diet because regular soda is too sweet and syrupy.

Kurt in Madison and MDX says again.

Are you

sharing some information about how growing sugarcane, not great for the environment?

Okay.

Everything is bad for it.

Yeah, everything's bad.

You understand?

If you do, I mean, there's nothing good for us.

I mean, we should just all be, what are we supposed to eat?

Cause even, even like now, you know, now anyway, I don't want to go to that road.

All right, what other texts do we have?

I believe we're more or less caught on.

All right, Zombers, what's worse, a sugar soda or diet soda?

I got to say diet, you know, like health reasons aside, like we said, no soda is good for you.

I am a water drinker most of the time, but.

the sweetness that comes from those other non-sugar sweeteners is just off to me.

So even when it is high-fructose corn syrup, I still prefer a sugared soda.

It's just my personal preference.

Yeah, I've cut down on my soda after I did the personal training years ago at Orange Shoe Fitness.

I'm back drinking more than I should, but I might have a soda, I don't know.

Couple times a week, you know, maybe once in a while more often, but I I'm a coke Coca-Cola person.

I Do like the Mexican coke better.

I do not like diet.

I just don't like the taste of diet soda.

I never have I can't get used to it I never really tried I guess look I understand there's some people that they if they have sugared sodas that's terrible because they're diabetic but

I think the chemicals in the diet is worse for me overall.

So if I'm going to enjoy and treat myself to a Coca-Cola, I would much rather have a Mexican Coke or just a regular Coke.

I'm not a diets total guy.

Yeah, me either.

So I think we're pretty much on the same page.

All right, very good.

That's what's worse.

42 minutes now past the hour of three o'clock.

The Badgers are kicking off the football season on many of these stations across the civic media-ready network.

If you're at camp Randall tonight, like Zomers, you won't hear this opener anymore, but the Badgers have to get back to the fundamentals.

Here's how they used to run out of the tunnel back in Brady Ewing's day.

They better get season tickets right now because before long they probably won't be able

to.

Big

10 champions.

And

there it is.

You do not want him in your secondary.

Back to back.

Rose Bowl champions.

Matt Shaver to Lee Evans.

And the Wisconsin Badgers are Big Ten Champions.

Caught by Duckwood!

4-0-8!

Three sacks!

Back to back to back!

And it's

Joe Schobert

again!

DJ just ate up that pass and took it to the ha-

You too?

Streets with no name?

Barry Alvarez telling you, you better get your tickets pretty soon.

There's not gonna be any.

You got Keith Jackson.

You do not want him in your secondary.

With Ron Damed, you got Chris Fowler on there from ESPN.

You got Matt LePay with all those great calls of the Badger Radio Network, which you can hear right here tonight, starting at six o'clock for the pregame show.

That's how you open up a game.

And ever since the fickle area now now you got like I don't know you got some kind of a rap hip-hop crap going on and it just looks terrible

Once again, this is Todd talking about this year and a half two years ago

really quiet and then and all of a sudden it was y'all That

was Todd complaining about the new DJ

For the Badger football

well that was even worse because they went but then first they had this live DJ Which was way too loud and it was exactly what I said was it two years ago?

Something like that.

Well, we were in this studio.

I think it improved a little bit last year but I just I just like I like honoring the heritage the tradition

And so now, now they've gotten rid of the, the air raid offense.

That was all the rage when they brought the.

Yeah, it didn't work.

It didn't work, didn't take.

Hear the words of George Costanza.

And so now, now they've got Grimy, Coach Grimy back in there.

They're going to try to run the ball board tonight.

So I hope, I hope to goodness that the Badgers have a better season than they've had in the past.

Optimism reigns and we heard we had Joe Thomas, the.

Hall of Famer on this show, along with Brady Ewing, both Badger Alums, and the Over Under, meaning, you know, what do you think, how many games are the Badgers, the odds-makers, my friends in the desert, as Musperger says, the odds-makers in Vegas, the Over Under are five and a half wins, which I get it, you can't have a half a win, but the Over Under is five and a half.

Brady and Joe Thomas took the Over.

That means that they're gonna get at least six wins this year.

which would get them back in a bowl game.

I have taken the under.

You also said you have a prediction for tonight's score.

I'm working on that.

OK, gotcha.

I'm working on the score.

So Brady normally joins me on this.

Unfortunately, he has a real job.

He's traveling today.

And I invited Brandon, his great brother on, who's also a football guru.

He said.

I'll take a pass.

No, he's got things going on as well.

I said, you know what?

I might call him sick too, but no, I'm here.

I'm here.

You understand?

All right.

Here we go.

We're going to start this and we'll finish you on the other side.

Tonight, I believe the Badgers will in fact get a win against Miami of Ohio next week, middle Tennessee.

And I believe that the Badgers will get a win there.

Then they traveled to Alabama.

That is a loss.

Then they come back playing against Maryland.

The Terps.

I'm iffy on this, but I'll say they beat the Terps at home at Michigan a loss at home against Iowa and this one's a tough one for me, but I'll say that that is also going to be a loss at home against number three rated Ohio State a loss and then they travel to Oregon

How will the Badgers do against the Ducks?

I will call the prediction and finish this up after this.

Don't go anywhere.

It's the all-ball show on the Civic Media.

Ready Network.

show of the Civic Media Radiant Upwork University Wisconsin marching band, Eater Rock.

That'll be a great part of tonight.

Get there early summer, see the pregame show.

A little if you want to be a badger, come along with me.

Always fantastic.

Go to the Union South tonight to see the Wisconsin marching band play.

go through the, uh, the arch into camp Randall to great tradition.

One of my favorite parts about going to a Badger game they take on middle.

Pardon me.

They take on Miami, Ohio.

Tonight you can hear that game on W R C E and Richland center W. L. A. K. and Amory to F. H. R. in Wisconsin Rapids and W. R. P. N. in Rippon.

And maybe on the civic media app as well.

Check it out.

We'll see.

Uh, pregame show at six o'clock.

with Mike Heller and then Matt LePay and Mark Tauger take over with the kickoff just after eight o'clock.

It's a night game tonight.

Going through my predictions for this season.

When we last left you, we were at the October 4th game I said when the Badgers go to Michigan, the Wolverines will pull that out.

Lost for Wisconsin.

They come back to take on Iowa.

This is always a close series.

Iowa and Wisconsin.

I'm gonna say Iowa sneaks by by a field goal, a loss for Bucky.

Then Ohio State comes to town.

Number three in the country right now, loss for Wisconsin.

They go to Oregon, number seven of the country, loss I predict.

They'll come back.

I am going to say they beat the Washington Huskies at home on November 8th.

That's a win for Bucky.

Go to Indiana.

It's gonna be close.

I'm going to go with, uh, with the Hoosiers.

Then the traveling Burt's Brett Bielema, who of course came to Wisconsin where he coached and went to three Rose Bowls, won three big 10 championships with Brady Ewing's main coach all those years.

And then he came back.

Bielema did as the Illinois coach and he beat Paul Chris and it was after that loss that McIntosh, the AD fired Chris.

The traveling Burt's.

Come back to Camp Randall and beat Bucky once again, and maybe that's the final straw for Fick and then my prediction is That Barry Elver as the interim coach of Wisconsin will go to Minnesota to try to win back the ax if Fickle is still the coach I wish he probably will because it's a huge buyout.

I don't think Fickle is going anywhere this year regardless Unfortunately the flexors

who will be taking on the fixtures.

The flexors win, they'll row the boat and beat Wisconsin.

I have Wisconsin at four and eight this year.

Wins tonight, next week against Maryland and Washington.

Now that said, my unofficial round table that we go through this every year, one of the people at the round table has a record of three and nine for Bucky.

Another person at the table, seven and five, getting back to a bowl game.

And their son, Parker, the optimist of the group, has Bucky at nine and three and knocking on the door to a playoff championship.

I want to be great if Parker was right this year.

And look, I say, I make my predictions because for those who have watched this show while listening to it, I bought it on fickle hook line and sinker when he got hired.

I think I had Bucky like almost undefeated and going to a national championship.

Maybe that was a little bit of wishful thinking.

I want the Badgers to do well.

I really do.

Because it's a great, most part of what makes Wisconsin great.

So I wish them all the best of luck.

And look, Matt LePay and Tauzer are always great to listen to.

And I hope at the end of the season, Zomers, you can replay this and people can call in and say what a boob Todd is when it comes to picking sports records.

We can only hope.

Yes, we can only hope.

We can only, now Dana.

Listing on WLCX and lacrosse Dana with a with a hot take Dana says unfortunately Bucky loses tonight on a fourth quarter pick six.

You heard it here first Wow That's that would be uh, that would be unfortunate.

All right bombers.

I will tell you the score tonight Perhaps closer to the experts think in the words of the incomparable eCORSO Wisconsin 21

And Miami of Ohio 14.

Bucky wins tonight 21 to 14.

That is by prediction for the game tonight.

We'll see.

I hope they crush him.

I hope with his new offense, they come out and reestablish the Wisconsin running game.

I hope that's true.

Dick listening on WMDX here in Madison calling in Dick about a minute or so here.

Are you going to the game tonight, Dick?

No, I.

which I was, I used to have season tickets in the late 90s, early 2000 until about 2003.

I just thought of my favorite game I ever witnessed there.

Against Drew Brees night game and my buddy that I were sitting there on the upper deck and JJ and he goes at halftime.

God, he might throw the ball 65 times, 70 times tonight.

You know, how many times he threw it?

A lot.

82.

Yeah.

It was incredible.

It was just crazy.

It was crazy.

And we had so much fun with the Purdue fans because during jump around and all the people are looking at us and this is moving.

And Jim and I were just, I don't feel welcome to you.

You've got to feel this.

No, we don't feel a thing.

What are you talking about?

But it was a great night.

It was, it was a hell of a game.

I was not at that game, but I know other people that were, they used to the same thing.

One of the most memorable Wisconsin games they've ever been at.

Imagine throwing the ball 82 times.

No,

I

can't.

And they lost.

I know.

It was bad.

It was

crazy.

Drew Brees to this day does not enjoy coming back to Madison.

That's what I've heard for real.

Probably

not.

Yeah, not a fan of Wisconsin.

And of course he went on to win a Super Bowl.

So I mean, you know, nothing

against him.

They go way back for one more Penn State 1970.

When I was a sophomore in high school, they beat a team with Jack Ham, Lydell Mitchell.

Wow,

incredible.

Love it.

Great way to end the show, Dick.

Thanks for the call.

Best of luck to Bucky.

You can hear it tonight on the Wisconsin Badger Radio Network on Richland Center, Amory, Wisconsin Rapids and Rippin pregame show at six o'clock and the kickoff at eight o'clock.

Stay with us.

Maggie Dawn is next.

We'll be here live tomorrow.

We'll do a rehash of the game tonight until then, whatever you're fighting for, whatever you believe in, do not give up.

Keep banging your drum.

We'll see you tomorrow.

Kathryn Lake

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Todd Allbaugh

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Alba, along with Mr. Aaron Zomers, our producer and engineer.

It is six past the hour of two o'clock on this Thursday, August 28th, 2025.

A great day to be Wisconsinite.

Glad to have you along with us from the World Headquarters of Down Up.

It's the world headquarters of downtown Madison.

It's the civic media world headquarters in downtown Madison on a pretty nice day blue skies some high cumulus clouds I've I've no Britain below, but I believe those are cumulus clouds.

I

think so.

Yeah, but it's it's nice outside.

It

Todd Allbaugh

is hot It is not too hot at all beautiful day lots of people in town talk about that a little bit later Badgers Badgers kicking off their football season tonight at camp Randall

against Miami of Ohio.

So it's not the University of Miami and it's not Ohio State.

It's the University of Miami, Ohio, which in football terminology for a D one program should keyword should translate to a cupcake.

But don't don't say that.

You never know.

That's where they play the games.

You can hear the game tonight.

Across many of our stations in Richland Center WRCE WLAK in Amory WFHR up in Wisconsin Rapids and WPRN in beautiful Rippin hear that game starting at six o'clock tonight two-hour pregame show and then the kickoff eight o'clock

It's a late kickoff tonight.

I believe it's on the big 10 network televised.

And of course, right here on some of those civic media radio stations on the civic media radio network.

So tune in, Matt LePay, back on the air.

That'll be great to hear him and Tauch and everybody else.

Mike Heller is on that broadcast as well.

So broadcast kicks off six o'clock tonight.

Badgers taking on Miami, Ohio.

And right now on some of those stations as on the Brewers Radio Network, the Brewers wrapping up against Arizona at Ampham Field in Milwaukee.

Pat Murphy has a look on his face right now.

Anything but a Murphy pancake is the Brewers are down six to two in the bottom of the third.

Jose Quintana was knocked out already.

I mean, not physically, but just, you know, six runs you're done for the day.

after three innings.

So Brewers tried to get back in it, lost last night, but it was a good game.

It was a good game.

So we'll talk a lot to Filney and Chad Holmes about a little bit about Badgers, but all the high school sports they're covering.

Very proud to have those guys and others here at Civic Media calling high school sports so important to so many of our communities.

So we'll talk about that in hour two.

What's worse today?

Badger is, of course, much to my chagrin, changed over sodas a few years ago, no longer Coca-Cola products.

Now it's, I think it was Dr. Pepper, and now I think they're back to Pepsi.

Well, Dr. Pepper is a Pepsi product.

Is

Todd Allbaugh

it really?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

I'll double check.

Yeah, because Cherry Coke is Coke's response.

Todd Allbaugh

Got it.

All right.

We'll find that anyway.

We'll do a soda edition of what's worse here coming up today in our number two.

Yes, Dr. Pepper

is is

Todd Allbaugh

a Pepsi product.

Oh, there you go.

That's why they got it there, right?

Very good.

Nine past the hour of two o'clock.

Wanted to start out though today, kind of where we left off yesterday, where in covered for two hours, covered the breaking news out of Minneapolis yesterday in that shooting.

Some more information has come in.

There is one additional victim now who is expected to survive.

So up to I believe 18 in total were injured two young students ages eight and 10, I believe were shot and killed as they prayed in that church in Minneapolis yesterday.

The shooter then took their own life by gunshot.

I want to focus most of our time here in this first segment on the helpers.

As Mr. Rogers, Fred Rogers once, so wisely said, he said, you know, when tragedy strikes, my mom always said is how watch TV or listen to the radio, look for the helpers.

And there were a lot of them yesterday in Minneapolis.

But wanted to bring you the latest today, according to CNN, Minneapolis is in mourning after a shooter fired on

through the windows of a church yesterday, killing two children, 18 others are now wounded, most of them students.

As we said, the shooter is dead, was identified as a 23 year old.

Who shared a manifesto on social media was a graduate of the school in 2017.

Investigators believe the shooter likely intended to carry out the attack inside the church.

According to a source, the shooter visited the church weeks ago

creating a detailed drawing on the interior, but the doors were locked once mass began.

So it could have been even worse in terms of casualties, but the shooter was not able to get into the church proper.

What a focus on confirmed reporting.

Minneapolis police chief Brian O'Hara said law enforcement tried to interview one of the shooter's parents

who lives out of state yesterday as they work to uncover as much information about the attack as possible.

Quote, I'm not sure if that occurred last night.

Unquote, speaking of the attempt to contact one of the parents, my understanding is the mother of the shooter, according to the police chief O'Hara, O'Hara said that quote, while there's obviously a connection between the shooter and the parish, unquote, noting that the shooter was a parishioner there,

and his mother used to work for the parish.

Investigators have not found information about any, quote unquote, triggering events that would have led the shooter to target the school and the church.

Quote, what we have found so far, unfortunately, is what has been all too common in this country, is sort of a classic pathway to violence for an active shooter or a mass shooter, unquote, the chief said.

This is an individual

that harbored a whole lot of hate towards many people and clearly intended to commit an act of violence with as much carnage and trauma as possible for the purpose of their own personal notoriety."

Oh, here are the chief went on to say, investigators believe the shooter intended to enter the church to the main entrance after barricading the side doors.

with two by fours, but was never able to get in because the front door, the main doors were locked.

Investigators have not found any previous arrests or issues that would have prevented the shooter from lawfully purchasing the weapons used in the attack, the chief said, but law enforcement will work to, quote, identify any potential gaps that could have prevented something like this in the future, unquote.

Again, want to be really careful in dealing with what we know to be true at the time.

And I would offer criticism to the federal government, especially Pam Bondi, the US Attorney General, Cash Patel, FBI for immediately rushing to a judgment and calling this a hate crime before the local police who know this best have even been able to

ascertain all of the truthful factual information.

Also, there are reports that the individual who committed the shooting, their mother, let me say that again, their mother filed for a name change of this individual going on three years ago.

And according to the name change, it was on file and it appears it would say, it would be identified as a.

generally a male name to a female name.

There has not been factual information that we know of yet as reported by credible law enforcement that would clearly say that the individual who did the shooting identified themselves as a quote unquote trans person.

We don't know that.

So there's been a lot of rush to judgment here.

and I think cooler heads need to prevail until all the facts come out.

Let's play this clip from yesterday.

I think it's worth re-hearing.

This is Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frye who had this to say about rushing to judgment and what the focus should be on at this time.

It's on all of us.

And I have heard about a whole lot of hate that's being directed

at our trans community.

Anybody who is using this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common humanity.

We should not be operating out of a place of hate for anyone.

We should be operating from a place of love for our kids.

kids died today.

This needs to be about them.

This needs to be wrapping our arms around these families with every bit of love that we can possibly show.

And I know that our Minneapolis family and well beyond is prepared to do exactly that.

And so my message to everyone out there is again, these families are experiencing some acute pain right now.

But don't just think of these as somebody else's kids.

Think of your own.

Todd Allbaugh

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry yesterday thought his words were really well said and chosen well.

Again, we don't know factually, according to law enforcement investigators, the whole story about this shooter.

We do know this.

After the show yesterday, Zomers and I, in our post-show chat that we do, was going through my socials on X. So what happened was this shooter allegedly created a video the night or day before, and Zomers, you know this stuff better than I do, but apparently you could record it and you could put it on YouTube, but then you schedule it to quote unquote post or go public at a different time.

What appears to have happened is the shooter recorded a video and then scheduled it to go live or to the public Yesterday either at the time they were doing the shooting or slightly thereafter and once it was public and as quickly as it was discovered YouTube in conjunction with authorities took that down or took it off the air for those that don't don't understand the vernacular of taking it down got rid of it

Well, of course, in today's world, there are programs that capture and clip things and save it.

So that video was saved in the online universe before it could be taken down and reposted.

A little over 10 minutes, Zomer and I sat here and forced ourselves to watch it.

I don't recommend doing

Todd Allbaugh

that.

It was not pleasant.

It was atrocious.

It was sickening.

and it was evil, my words.

To say that this individual, the shooter, suffered from mental illness, which obviously, clearly by the book, technically, they were mentally ill, but I think that just saying that, it does a great disservice to everyone who suffers with day-to-day things of, you know, depression issues or bipolar or schizophrenia, things that people can

get treatment for and recover and live with and have very full and quote-unquote normal lives.

If you watch, and again, Zahmers is right, don't do it, as we did.

If you watch this individual's video and all the weapons on the bed and talking in Joaquin Phoenix's character of the Joker voice and the My Precious voice, there's only one word that comes to mind for this individual.

possessed.

This is what someone was far beyond mentally ill.

They were mentally disturbed and possessed, and it was evil.

The individuals said, F the kids that they were about to shoot.

Back after this poor discussion to the all ball show on the civic media right now.

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Todd Allbaugh

Welcome back to the title show of the civic media radio work hour 22 past the hour of two o'clock after the bottom of the hour update agricultural update Pam Yankee gonna talk to our friends Phil knee and Chad Holmes I call them the two hardest working people at civic media at least on the air people for sure They're gonna be covering high school sports this weekend give us an update on that but right now I want to finish up on Again, just catching up on what happened since yesterday on this Minneapolis shooting

Want to focus again on the helpers here, but just to wrap up my thoughts from the last segment Caution urge people to just wait and let the police do their work let law enforcement do their work in Minneapolis not in DC and Let's see where the truth leads It's not rushed to judgment and in the words of Minneapolis mayor Jacob Fry remember that

Everybody's human here.

We're dealing with humans.

And if this individual who did the shooting turns out to be a person who identified themselves as a trans individual, it does not mean that everyone out there who is a trans person is evil or gonna become a mass shooter.

It has very little in my opinion of anything to do with that.

What we do know factually,

From the investigation so far is this individual was obsessed with these online?

Zomers help me.

I mean, I think what I heard it was it was a sub reddit.

So reddit for those that don't know is a social media platform.

It's much more Divided than like Facebook and and that kind of stuff.

Is that fair to say it Zomers?

Yeah, it's like it's very specific Yeah, there's forums.

So instead of just posting on Facebook and everyone sees it It would be like you're posting in a Facebook group, right?

Thank you

Todd Allbaugh

And so there are these social media, Reddit sub-platforms out there.

I talked about this yesterday, where people who are beyond mentally disturbed, beyond mental illness, find like-minded people who are obsessed with killings and mass killings and unspeakable evils.

I mean, when you have an individual recording something on video that Zomers and I saw yesterday, when this individual said, correct me if I'm wrong, Zomers, they said they were sorry for their family, they loved their family, but that was it.

And F, the kids, the kids deserved it.

There was that among many, many other things and a lot of stuff written that it's just... It's sick.

And it's also...

You would think it was done for shock value like somebody just trying to think of the worst things they can say and write it's

Todd Allbaugh

so anyway, what's Because I mean people out there trying to use this against people who happen to be trans Remember most mass shootings happen to be done by straight white Christian identified people So so if you're gonna say oh, well, you know if this person ends up being a trans person if you're gonna say well That was the cause well then you should turn it around and say well

White straight Christianity is the cause.

I mean, you know what I mean?

It's just it makes no sense.

That makes no sense So don't I just urge people let's all hold off with the law enforcement detectives do their job of Minneapolis Let's see where the truth lies Because there were all kinds of reports last night from this individuals dad and apparently stepmom there were interviews with the neighbors who said

that this family was amazing and stable and great neighbors and were shocked that this had happened, that nobody could have seen this coming from this family.

So let's focus on the helpers.

Chief Brian O'Harris and law enforcement, I'm sorry, that was the first story of my year.

Dr. John Gakin.

A trauma surgeon at Hennepin County Medical Center called the response by his organization to yesterday's shooting, quote, inspiring, unquote, describing how staff went above and beyond to care for the victims, many of them children.

In one instance, he said, a nurse manager climbed into a CT or CAT scanner along with a child to comfort the young scared patient, quote, one of the children.

were very scared and alone because everybody was running around and doing their jobs.

And the nurse manager went into the cat scanner with the patient, putting herself basically in harm's way of radiation, which normally we evacuate the room, Geichen said.

She put a little lead on and held the hand of the patient and held her hair while she went through the scanner.

Speaking of the nurse manager.

so she didn't have to go through it alone.

Nurse said, I don't care if I get some radiation, I'm going to hold this kid's hand and help them get through this.

Hero.

Unrecognized heroes from the shooting include a child who was shot while protecting another student and teachers who rushed to get kids to safety.

according to EMS Chief Martin Scherer.

Quote, one had, or quote, we had one kid that covered up another kid and took a gunshot blast to his back, unquote.

Quote, teachers were amazing.

The teachers were getting shot at.

They were protecting the kids, unquote.

The EMS chief said the emergency medical response to the shooting quote went as well as they could be expected We all trained for this and things went well on that part no matter how much you train for it.

It's still really difficult on the team and Finally a neighbor just a neighbor Patrick scalen lives about a block away from the school.

He ran towards the school When he heard the shots come out rang out

He found two who are quote quote quote obviously hurt a bullet had grazed one girl in the forehead He said another student and been shot in the neck quote the girl that was shot in the head I have received a couple of text updates.

She went through surgery.

I think successfully I assume she's recovering well, and I know her surgery has been completed unquote He said he has not heard how the girls shot in the neck is doing the other girl

He said he kept a close eye on her, looking for signs of deterioration.

He said, quote, I don't have medical training.

So I just did the best I could, unquote.

Garrison Keeler said it best.

Love has brought a good many people to safety when competence was exhausted and could do nothing.

Back after this with Phil Neve, Chad Holmes, talking to High School Sports.

It's the All Ball Show for the Civic Media Ready Network.

Stay tuned for a fire-rupting now.

Welcome back to the All Ball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network 35 minutes now, past the hour of two o'clock on Thursday, August 28th.

Turns out, Summers, we were kind of liars because in the last segment we were talking about Pepsi and Dr. Pepper and...

I didn't know for sure, and then you checked, and we inadvertently told people that Dr. Pepper was a part of PepsiCo, and the phones lit up, the Christmas trees went on, and it turns out, no, no, we are inaccurate.

We were not liars, I was a liar.

I apologize for relying on Google AI summary, which misled me.

Todd Allbaugh

This is my point, you cannot trust AI.

Cameron Appleton and Robert McFarlane texted in to correct me, and yep, Pepsi, sorry, Dr. Pepper.

is its own thing along with some other brands incorporated in there.

It is not a Pepsi product.

It is not a Coke product.

Todd Allbaugh

I'm a pepper.

You're a pepper.

What do you like to be a pepper too?

Wouldn't you like to be a broadcaster too?

We are joined by two of our great colleagues I call them the two hardest working on-air people in civic media the general manager and host of those were the days He has his own talk show and the voice of high school sports in southwest, Wisconsin Mr. Phil knee on the line as well as the general manager has his own talk show and the voice of Central Wisconsin sports from WXCO Chad Holmes now look these

these two guys, they got their own life, they're on the road and they're taking time for our little dog and pony show via the phone.

Gentlemen, welcome to the show.

I appreciate you both having on.

I know you're joining us as you're on the road, so we'll hope our audience just look, they're doing us solid here by coming on via cell phone.

Phil, let's start with you.

I know technically the high school sports season kicked off last week, but this is really the week I think with the Badgers kicking off tonight as well, that everybody's kind of focused in now for many people, at least in public schools, starting next week.

Exactly.

Yeah, this is it.

A lot of schools in our area played Thursday games last week.

While there are a few this week, most of our area teams in Southwest Wisconsin are playing Friday night.

So it really seems like a big night of high school football.

It's the last week of the non-league games for our area teams and they'll start conference play next week.

It's also the first year of a new WIA playoff point system, which they garner points at the end of the year.

They're going to add it up and hopefully do a bit better job of seeding

playoffs coming up in October.

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And Chad Holmes, I know you're literally joining us from a team bus right now on the way to a game tonight.

Is that right?

Yeah,

that's right.

The Wisconsin Valley Conference schools are all playing Thursday night games again this week.

And I'm with the Wausau West football team as we are just past door, heading west on Highway 29, heading towards Hudson port of the game tonight.

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Now, this would be, we won't do it today, but this would be a fun game to play.

Stump, Phil and Chad, because I bet between the two of you guys, there are not many sports fields in this state that between the two of you, you haven't been to.

We've been to a lot of them.

It was fun last Friday.

I actually went to a new place.

I went to Westby for the first time down in Southwest Wisconsin, and it was

From Wausau to Westby is not the easiest track.

There's a lot of two-lane roads, and I was with one of the area football club commentator, and basically the whole time he is looking out for deer.

It's making me very nervous, and it was like a two and a half hour ride on a two-way road, and there were times where I had no idea where I was.

But we fortunately did not have any deer issues and got back safely.

Todd Allbaugh

Now, Phil, Westby is just just outside of WRCO's listening area where you and I grew up in Southwest Wisconsin.

In our neck of the woods, deer, especially when you're an Elroy Pampoo's Driver's Ed class, that's just a day-to-day obstacle, right?

Oh, absolutely.

My, my 2005 Pontiac Vive has hit four of them over the years, you know, so I'm, I'm well aware of, of deer on the roadways.

The other obstacle in the, in the West B area, actually a lot of Amish buggies and bicycles too.

You have to be very careful of.

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But yeah, you get great, great cookies.

That's the trade off.

I'm great.

Great bakery.

You must be with the Amish bankers.

True.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

All right.

Back to the matters of hand, gentlemen.

Chad, what are the hot teams in north central Wisconsin and the WXO area?

I suppose you got to give a shout out to the team you're riding with or you won't get a ride home.

But what are you looking at in the XCO area?

Well, yes, I think.

We had three games last week.

We had three winners last week, so we're three and also far this season.

So it's all been very good.

I

think Los Alamos is a team that will be

in

the upper half of the Wisconsin Valley Conference.

I think there's a lot of good skill.

I think D.C.

Everest in our area, neck of the woods, made it to the safe semi-finals a year ago.

They have some good talent back.

They'll be right there.

Stevens Point is also a team from the Valley that I think has the potential to make a decent run.

But the Valley just needs to

be a little more consistent though.

We've seen the big rivers that were playing tonight.

So with Hudson has had the better of the games with the Wisconsin Valley in recent years and that is closing the gap a little bit.

But I think still in the Fox Valley and also the big rivers, those are the division one schools that have been troublesome for the Valley teams.

And small schools are actually the central Wisconsin that are really, really solid.

You have Stratford, who I think is going for four in a row in terms of state championships.

You got Edgar, who is always there.

They've won a couple of state championships in the last couple of years.

In fact, Edgar and Stratford play a non-conference game tomorrow night that a lot of people are looking forward to in this part of the state as well.

And on the eight-player side, tomorrow night I'll be doing Newman Catholic football.

We do them as well.

And they have won a couple of state championships in the last four years.

And they're always a rock-solid program in the eight-player game.

Todd Allbaugh

We're talking with Chad Holmes from WXCO in Wasaw, Wisconsin and Phil Knee at WRCO WRCE in Richland Center in Southwest Wisconsin.

Phil, in terms of Southwest area of the state, what are the teams you're looking to cover?

Who could make some noise in this year's high school sports area?

Well tomorrow night we'll be on the road with River Valley.

They're taking on Wisconsin Dells.

River Valley is kind of building back up a program.

They have a new coach.

In fact our conference, the Southwest Conference has four new head coaches.

It's kind of unprecedented but a lot of unknowns in the league.

We're looking forward to your old Alma Mater, Richland Center.

I think they're kind of on the upswing.

They

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won an all

right game last week.

Yeah, big win against Baroque last week and they had a running back Brady Dosh who had 247 yards.

rushing, so they're looking pretty good.

And then on the eighth player side, North Crawford and DeSoto look really strong here in southwest Wisconsin.

Todd Allbaugh

Well, in the words, the late, great, a vitous rip, my old high school football coach, that is excellent.

Father, father, yes, my son.

So that's great news.

Here, let's talk, Chad.

You guys brought this up.

Phil did, I think.

What about this points system?

Because I know last year, correct me guys if I'm wrong, you had teams with losing records going to the playoffs.

I'm old school.

If you haven't got a winning record, I don't think you deserve postseason.

But Chad, what's your take on this new system?

Is it going to help?

Well, I think it will.

Don't quiz me on the details quite yet.

All these numbers based on who you play and who you beat.

But I know right here in Central Wisconsin last year, well, Everest won the Wisconsin Valley Conference.

They beat Steven's point in the regular season.

But yet somehow, DC Everest got a very short straw at a number seven seed.

But it showed again that basically those seedings

were way

off because they went and won three straight road games to make it to the semifinals.

They fell right from the very beginning.

They were vastly under seated.

I do think that the way they're doing it.

this time around, has the potential to be a stronger, ultimate seeding process and a better bracket for when we do get to the playoffs.

But again, I'm very curious to see how it does work.

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Phil, your opinion on this new system to be IAA in terms of, I mean, we're not talking, it's not voting or anything.

I mean, do you know any of the particulars on how this works in terms of assigning points, not just wins?

Sure.

And I'm kind of waiting to pass judgment on it before, you know, I think the end of the season will know a little bit more.

But for instance, Richland Center is a little bigger school tomorrow night.

They play Potosi Castfield, which is a smaller school.

The smaller school benefits if they defeat Richland Center because they get more points for the bigger school that they play.

And especially if Richland Center goes on and has a good season, they can use that kind of as a lobby there toward the end of the season.

So it's advantageous for some of these schools, especially in the non-com...

difference to play larger schools and try to get a win to maybe get more points for the playoffs.

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I think that's really cool because for those in Southwest Wisconsin, you know, I as Phil said, went to Richland Center and you know, we play a smaller town like Fedamore, which isn't all that far away, but a smaller school.

So if you know, hey, if it's kind of the David knocking off the Goliath, you get extra points for that then, right, Phil?

exactly.

And the same thing holds true for Richland Center.

Potosi Castle went to state, the state final last year.

So let's say they have a good season.

It also bodes well on the other side for Richland Center, even if they lose to them, you know, that they have played down this year and that could help them down the road.

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Chad Holmes some of these we've talked with our civic media sports director Jimmy Cusco on some of these IAA changes things like you know there is a limited I think that's a fair term to say a limited version of NIL now in high school sports but it's pretty complicated also this new rule that if fans parents start harassing the officials they could be tossed out and have to go basically to like school for it and learn how to be a better fan before they can

Chad, in your opinion, what sort of changes on the WIAA are you watching that you think are good for the sport that fans might actually see a difference this year?

And I do think that the basically having a quota conduct for the fans is important.

I've seen way too often in recent years where there are some fans that just do cross the line and we're

in

an era right now where it's difficult to get officials.

And if you're going to have to be a fan that is constantly writing the officials all the time, the officials are going to say, hey, I don't need this.

I mean, yeah, it's getting a little extra money to get closer to Christmas time.

But at the same time, is it really well worth it?

And if you're so bad that ultimately you have to be kicked out, the fact that they have to go and take a mini class to get back in, I think, is one of the things that is vitally important.

And this NIL, and again, I'm going to be curious to see how it works.

I saw a posting on social media a few weeks ago.

It was an announcement from a stud basketball player.

And now he's going to a school in Wisconsin.

And it had all the earmarks of something like that.

It did not have the normal transfer feel to it.

And in my 10, I kind of perked up.

I don't know all the details.

But I think there's going to be some kind of maybe ripples, not a whole lot.

But I think some of these schools, who knows, may be able to use something in order to get kids coming in.

And I really can't say that it's something I'm looking forward to seeing.

Todd Allbaugh

Right.

Phil in Southwest Wisconsin, have you seen any of those repercussions of the new kind of modified NIL for high school?

And I know your colleague or friend, Henry Bray, their RCO in Southwest Wisconsin, is an official himself.

Any thoughts on that?

Yeah, he's an official and I think he really appreciates the fact of the new conduct rule.

I've seen, like Chad, I've seen a lot of bad instances of fans pushing coaches and refs and things like that after games.

So, you know, that needs to be stopped.

And I think that's a way to do that.

As far as NIL, I'm not sure that the athletes in our area, you know, that affects them that much as far as.

getting endorsements and things like that, but Chad is right.

I think teams can use that as some sort of leverage to get them to come to their area, especially some of the higher populated areas.

Todd Allbaugh

I'm excited, guys.

I mean, you know, for those of us that grew up in a special, well, I mean, football is in high school sports.

It's both urban and country.

But boy, the smell of fall, the fresh grass on the field, it's a little nippy in the air.

It just, there's some excitement about it.

And I'm so happy that both you, Phil Knee at RCO and you, Chad Holmes and XCO are two of the very best in this business.

You've been doing it a long time.

We're fortunate to have you at Civic Media.

And people should download the Civic...

media app because you can hear Phil knee and Chad Holmes on the respective stations for free.

Guys, travel safely.

And thanks for taking time with us today.

My pleasure.

All right.

Thanks so much.

Mr. Pimp.

Mr. Pimp was made by Pepsi, by the way.

Thank you, Phil.

I appreciate that.

Come on back with more after this on the Civic Media regular.

Kathryn Lake

You're listening to Civic Media.

Find the latest news, information and archives of all your favorite shows on the Civic Media website,

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civicmedia.us.

And a many thanks to Phil D and WRCO, WRCE and Chad Holmes of WXCO.

And when I say they're the two hardest on-air working people in civic media, I'm not making that up.

Because these guys are getting up and doing morning shows at the crack of dawn, hosting their own talk shows, managing stations,

And then getting in their cars in the afternoon and going and covering high school sports.

Yeah, they are.

You're not the only one to hold this opinion.

I mean, I do too.

Like they are both true old school radio guys in the highest sense of that in terms of work ethic and like, you know, the radio is always on.

So I always need to be on.

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And I think that I know that our owner and CEO Sage Wilde, one of his core missions of this company.

is to have community involvement and to report things in individual communities.

And no one does that better, in my opinion, than Filney and Chad Holmes.

Because at the end of the day, and we look, we appreciate very much everyone who listens to this show, but at the end of the day, it's what's happening in your individual community that's more important than what I'm saying.

It's listening to the games of the girl's softball, the guy's football,

you know, our local stations cover the results of the local forensic meet.

They tell you when the local high school band concert's gonna be, the city council, those are the things that matter in each of our communities.

And like the Kenny Chesney song there says, there's just a certain magic, I'll use the word, on a night like tonight or tomorrow night when it's a little nippy in the air, like I say, you can smell the fresh cut grass.

and these guys go out there and it's a team building thing.

And it's really positive for your mental health to be part of something that's larger than you and to have that camaraderie, to work through adversity, to share highs and lows.

Brady Ewing has talked about it on this show several times.

And so hats off to all the coaches, because so many of these coaches are not getting paid what the, you know, the work they put in.

It's a stipend.

They're not making money on this.

Many thanks to all the officials, the referees working out there, to Chad and Phil's point.

So many of these folks, men and women, are doing this because they want to support young people, support athletics.

And that's what it's about.

As I said,

I was just a manager for a football.

I was no Rob.

We understand.

Weedy or Kevin Monroe or Ron Swigam or, you know, I could keep going on.

Great, great athletes, you know, on our, uh, our football team.

I wasn't out there playing, but, you know, Daniels and I, the two managers, along with David Turk.

Now he's the county board chair at Richelon County, you understand.

Back then.

He was a manager like me, but even for us guys who were the managers, you were a part of the team.

And it's great coaches, great old-school coaches like the late great of Linus Rip, who could, you know, really cut loose when he was angry.

But he'd do anything for you to help you out, give you a ride somewhere, write you a hall pass to get out and study all.

He'd go to bat for you.

And at its best, that's what high school athletics is.

And we're so proud to cover it for you here on the Civic Media Ready Network.

And a reminder again, if you don't live in, you know, in Richland Center proper or Wausau proper, I know we have guys, Don Brown, I believe, down at WAUK, down in the Waukesha area.

We've got folks in Wisconsin Rapids.

We've got folks in Park Falls who are covering high school sports as well.

And so that's the benefit of downloading the Civic Media app.

You can do it today for free.

Just simply go to your app store on your iPhone or your Android device, type in Civic C-I-V-I-C, and it'll pop up.

It takes less than a minute.

It is free.

It's what Gale King calls a deal.

And here's the deal.

Tomorrow, free ticket Friday.

We will be here live.

We're doing it live tomorrow.

Uh, we'll give you a, another word tomorrow and you'll have a chance to win four club level seats to a future Milwaukee Brewers game.

Probably glad you're not there today.

Well, there's time left.

It's the top of the six Arizona six.

The Brewers have come back four.

So six to four Arizona top of the six in Ampham field in Milwaukee will continue to follow that for you.

And also we've stirred up a soda controversy.

because now Phil Knee said while he was on it.

Mr. Pib was a pepsi.

He said it was a pepsi product, which is not

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true.

He said it was a pepsi product.

Troy, one of our great listeners, Troy out in Mount Horrib, listening to the M-D-X says, this is the exact text he said to him, quote, former Coke dealer here.

Mr. Pib is a Coke product, unquote, which we had to quickly clarify on the stream.

Coca-Cola dealer.

Well, I guess Troy himself is not clarified, but I can be pretty certain he means Coca-Cola.

Todd Allbaugh

I've met Troy.

He was a Coca-Cola dealer.

He was not a Coke dealer.

So apparently Mr. Pibb is in fact a Coca-Cola product.

So if you want to know about soda branding, don't listen to us.

It's what I've learned today.

Todd Allbaugh

PJ on Facebook and all on YouTube says Mr. Pibb now known as Pibb.

Extra is a spicy

cherry soda extra.

Todd Allbaugh

All right.

Well interesting We're gonna continue the soda discussion with a little what's worse for you on the other side and preview Badger football they kick off tonight on many of our stations of the Badger radio network is the all balls show for now stay tuned for hour two on the civic media

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Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Albaugh along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer on the board.

It's six minutes past the hour of three o'clock on this Thursday, August 28th, 2025.

It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite.

Welcome in, everybody.

Blue skies here.

from the world headquarters of downtown Madison on State Street.

The cameras are tilted down a little bit right now because we wanted to focus on the people.

You understand the people, but the sky is blue.

Trust me.

There there are some people.

There is a young woman in red pants and a white shirt.

Now, she's probably going to the Badger game tonight.

By

the way,

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Zawbers, I know that you have forgotten, but you're going to the game tonight.

Yes, I am.

You know, earlier in the week, Todd was like.

college football is starting, and I was like, yeah, I guess it is.

Because I don't really pay attention to

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that.

I said they kick off on Thursday, and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, wait a minute, I'm going to

that.

Yeah, look, I don't know what I'm doing.

Todd Allbaugh

But you have tickets for the night?

No, I do, I do.

So

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enjoy that.

Daniel on YouTube says, hey everybody, happy Thursday.

Happy Thursday, Daniel.

Glad to have you along.

During the break, I was talking about I brought in some Green Bush donuts for the office today to celebrate the Badgers kicking off their football season tonight.

Jeff Perry, our friend and ongoing contributor on Facebook says Green Bush donuts are amazing.

One of them was a W. Yeah, it was all kind of a.

Shape of a W motion W also Jeff say that Fosdahl bakery in Stoughton makes excellent donuts.

I have not been

Todd Allbaugh

I've heard good things so everybody and a festive mood here in downtown Madison today because the ever-popular and always tough Miami of Ohio is in town And it's great because the students are back here in Madison and I was driving through campus earlier today

I have my big physical tomorrow's armors, as you know.

And so I had to get my lab work done ahead of time.

So I went down on my, where I go to the doctor is down to your campus.

So I drive through campus to see what the flavor is.

And it's great to have the students back because already now up on the student housing balconies, there are signs made out of bedsheets and paint with wonderful things that I cannot say on the air.

Oh, naturally.

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Always.

About Miami of Ohio.

It started out by saying the fake Miami of Ohio.

And then it said something else.

Or the fake Miami, I think it said.

So the students are ready to go late kickoff tonight.

Eight o'clock.

Eight o'clock.

But they're going to have, like, wristbands.

Or lights.

It's going to light up LED lights.

I did not know that.

Honestly.

You're going to get lit up tonight.

I was kind of just told like, Hey, there's a game out eight.

Do you want to go?

I'm like, sure.

Todd Allbaugh

You can hear the game across many of our stations on W R C E and Richland Center, W L A K and a Marie W F H R in Wisconsin Rapids and W R P N in beautiful ripping broadcast starts at six o'clock tonight.

Mike Heller and the crew on the pregame show and then Matt LaPay starts another great season.

for the Badgers across those same stations, play by play, kick off around eight o'clock from the camp.

And you can hear that on those civic media stations over the air.

So I believe Badger Sports, we can stream, right?

I think so.

I don't remember what the verdict was on that.

I think there was some controversy.

Not controversy.

Give it a try, you never

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know.

It's a better chance to the lottery ticket.

That's true.

I'll tell you that right now.

We're going to talk a little bit of Badger sports about that kickoff.

I will give you now.

Here's the deal.

Normally our friend Brady Ewing, former Badger and NFL player joins us and gives the because normally we give our do this on the Friday before the first Saturday game.

Or there's been a couple of times now when the Badgers played on Friday night.

And I say this was love and respect.

Tonight's game being eight o'clock on a Thursday.

is not a compliment.

Okay, it's not.

It tells you a

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lot.

It is not.

And so, but anyway, and so Brady, you know, he has a day job.

He doesn't need this.

And so he's up in Minnesota, I think, today.

So he couldn't call in because he has to do his day job.

So here now, I alone will have to give you my predictions for the Wisconsin football season.

We'll do that a little bit later on this half hour.

Have a cut from Luke Fickle, the head coach of the Badgers.

on why the offense has changed, what his expectations, the Badgers have, what is known to be the toughest schedule in D1 college football this year.

Talk a little bit about that.

And what's up with thick, not naming captains?

That's real, by the way.

And so there's that.

Brewers.

Right now in the bottom of the sixth in Milwaukee, Arizona still leads six to four.

Arizona over the Brewers now going into the top of the seventh inning.

Want to get to this before we go to what's worse, from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

And we touched on it yesterday, but because of the breaking news yesterday, we did get a chance to really

suss this out is this.

You can't say suss it out anymore because now suss means something else, right?

Suspicious.

Right.

But you, my day, it says, well, you're going to suss it out.

It means you're going to, you're going to talk it out.

You're going to work out.

You're going to get into the details.

But now if something is suss, uh, suspicious, it's kind of like a different rendition of sketchy or sketch.

It is.

I mean, it's.

It's sus because it's three characters because it's easy to type and I can go more into the history of sus But I really if do you want me to

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history of

it's not long

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and lightness as long as we're here lightness

sure, so There is a mobile game.

It's also you can play it on a computer on some consoles called among us That blew up a few years ago as in got very popular You have a bunch of people working on space stations one of you is actually a trader an alien and you sneak through vents

And while everyone else is doing their jobs, you try and kill them and not get noticed.

And then everyone votes on who they think the killer is, and they get thrown out of the airlock or whatever.

And so people would be like, red is sus, meaning like the red astronaut was acting weirdly, so we think it's them.

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Thus concludes today's segment of the history of sus.

with our own Aaron Zomers.

The more you know.

Todd Allbaugh

That's good, but it's a little, we used to have board games back at my day and it was called Clue and like the Colonel Mustard did it with a candlestick.

But now it's no, the red astronaut is sus.

That's too many words, you know, because they're typing on their phones.

You got to get hit with the lingo and use as few characters as possible.

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Some places still use a lot of words like the Milwaukee Journal said no

there we

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go Great reporter Jesse O'Poyen Governor Tony Evers request disaster declaration from President Trump after historic Milwaukee area flooding

Governor Evers requested a presidential disaster declaration from Trump as the Milwaukee area continues to recover from massive storms and historic flooding from earlier this month.

Quote, having been on the ground to see firsthand some of the areas that have been hit hardest by the disastrous storms and flash floods that have affected folks across our state, it's clear it's going to take a significant amount of time and resources to recover.

Evers said in a statement yesterday, quote, my administration and I have been working diligently to respond and support cleanup efforts, but it's clear more help is needed to support the people of Wisconsin and ensure that they can rebuild on quote.

The governor previously submitted a request on August 13th for federal emergency management agency or FEMA to work with the state on formal federal preliminary damage assessments.

12 days after thousands of Milwaukee area residents woke up to find overnight flooded had damaged their homes, businesses, and livelihoods, the boots of the first FEMA team hit the ground.

Four teams operated in Milwaukee County and one each in Milwaukee Shaw and Washington counties.

About 20 FEMA staff were embedded in those teams, which also included state and local emergency management personnel and the U.S.

small business.

administration.

The assessment found 1,500 residential structures that were destroyed or sustained major damage.

Total damage cost estimates at over $33 million.

Additionally, initial reports collected by the state show more than $43 million in public sector damage throughout six counties.

State and federal officials will further assess damage to public infrastructure next month according to the governor's office.

Two men living in a homeless encampment were found drowned, and at least two others from the same encampment along the Konikinik River remain missing.

Evers August 13th requests from FEMA's review follow report for the Wisconsin Emergency Management showing that initial reviews of damages suggested the state would meet the threshold for federal assistance.

The report allows Evers to ask FEMA for a formal assessment which now allows a request for formal presidential disaster declaration and federal disaster relief.

It seems like to me this is taking way too long.

It seemed and I'm not faulty the governor or the governor's office I'm not sure whether it's there whether it's the Trump administration It just seems like this is taking longer than it normally would and I don't know that whether it's because of the doggy the doge the Elon Musk cuts to FEMA earlier All I know is there's a lot of people that need help in southeast, Wisconsin I'm glad it's moving along the way it is now, but it just seems like this has taken way too long Here's the key thing

If you need to report damage, contact 2-1-1.

Just, you know, we have other numbers to dial or call, just 2-1-1.

Contact 2-1-1 to report damage.

Additionally, residents with flood damage are encouraged to contact their insurance agent, document the report, and save receipts for any related expenses.

I just, my heart goes out to these folks.

We've got people in this company

that have been affected by this.

And I hope that all of us, I know in Southeast Wisconsin, particularly for listeners at WAUK, in the Milwaukee area, I know they've been asking for blood donations there, for donations to the Red Cross.

And I know our friend, Jane Mattnera, Mattnera and Ayra has reminded people of this, when you're giving out money,

Do it to someplace that you know, like the Red Cross, a local organization that you have a connection with to make sure that the monies are going to the right places and that they can actually be used for what they're supposed to be used for.

Again, if you need to report damage to the Milwaukee area from these tragic floods, 2-1-1 is the number to dial.

2.

One one continued to and again my hats off to governor Evers and their staff and and also to the congressional delegation for finally sending a joint letter across party lines Because things like this should not be partisan We're all Wisconsinites each of us should do what we can when we can to help our friends and neighbors All right, so we open up the thing or should we wait till we come back?

We have a

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minute so

it's

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up to you

I feel like we should wait till we come back.

Okay.

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It's like it's like a it's like a bottle of soda If you shake it up, you gotta let it sit for a minute before you open it up otherwise You get sprayed with sticky coke

and nobody wants that

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and nobody wants that

Although diet coke and Mentos

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Oh Lord don't give people ideas.

It's it's a fun experiment for little kids if you do it outside like on a tarp or something you can easily clean up

But uh, yeah, it goes crazy

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word outside.

Yes, very much outside.

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That's right Milwaukee Brewers right now the Brewers are stood the bottom of the seventh and The crew still trying to come from behind six to four Arizona bottom of the seventh in Milwaukee.

Come on back We're gonna play a soda edition sugar or no sugar.

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get started.

in my room here and I have shorts on today and my Badger polo shirt.

Suddenly the air condition in the studio just kicked on with a great force like an airplane.

It's blowing up my leg.

And I'm not

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complaining, by the way.

I'm just commenting.

I did not have that here.

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All right, he's on his wishes he did.

We can open the door between our two studios to get some of this cool air if you want it.

All right, 23 past the hour of three o'clock.

Time once again to play What's Worse.

Let's go.

Time once again to play what's worse.

No prize money involved nothing to give away, but it is your chance to have your voice heard and all 10 ish New sports and talk stations across the civic media ready.

I say 10 ish Because the Brewers are playing on some of our network stations right now over the air But we are on the app right now Brewers are in the bottom of the seventh two men on for the crew six to four

Arizona.

So crew trying to come back now in the bottom of the seventh only one out two on.

So let's hope they can come back and get that win.

Chicago bombed last night on the West Coast in San Francisco.

William Thomas, former Brewer, helping out.

And I think the Cubs lost like 13 to three or 13 to four to San Francisco.

So going into today, the crew still six and a half games ahead of the Cubs in the NL Central.

We'll keep you updated on that.

All right.

The Badgers kick off their home opener football team tonight at Camp Randall.

Can be heard on many of these stations across civic media against Miami of Ohio.

And if you go to the camp tonight, like Zomers is, your only soda option is Pepsi products because Pepsi has the contract now for UW Sports.

The category today, what's worse, sugared soda or diet?

Soda sugared soda or diet soda 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 if you're watching on your Facebook YouTube Twitter X Twix The graphic for today is Pepsi appropriately enough because you're gonna see Pepsi products if you go to the game tonight So you have regular Pepsi on one side

for sugared sodas and you have diet Pepsi for diet soda.

What's worse, sugared soda or diet soda?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Let's go to the fault lines.

Our friend, ongoing contributor, Mr. Jeff Perry, Jeffrey, sugared soda or diet soda.

What's worse?

I think this will be an unpopular opinion, but I'm going to say sugared sodas are worse.

Really?

Why is that?

I would not have said that as a young man, but this is all because of how much I enjoy Coke Zero.

Really?

I think that Coke Zero is better than regular Coke.

And since they have put it on tap at Culver's, I just, I drink it even more than ever.

Are you being paid

Kathryn Lake

for this

endorsement for me?

No payment.

I got no no payment on this.

No

Kathryn Lake

no

stock in the company, but Coke zero is to me the best and I won't drink I won't drink Pepsi So what's the water before I drink Pepsi?

All right.

What's the what's the sweetener used in the coke zero?

I you know what I have no idea and I probably don't want

It can be arsenic, as far as Jeff is concerned.

It's aspartame.

It's

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aspartame.

And assesulfame potassium, something else.

God bless you.

That's what you're drinking, Jeff.

Some kind of material that they mine from asteroids.

That's right.

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So I see I well I'm gonna reveal my answer here in a bit, but okay, so you're you're a Sugar and soda you're saying is worse than the then

the

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highly monoclose Hydrogenated oil you put into your body with Coke zero

The more chemicals the better

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Ain't that the truth all right appreciated Jeff have a great Labor Day weekend by the way

And you as well any

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big

plans?

No, I think I might go to the Orton Park Music Festival in Madison that way.

That's my only plan.

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All right.

We'll enjoy that.

All right.

Thank you, Jeffrey.

Have a nice weekend.

855-752-442.

Let's go to Kurt.

Let's do an MDX in Madison.

Kurt, sugared soda or diet soda.

What's worse?

Gentlemen, I hate to hear the hell of a previous caller, but if you do any research online,

Diet sodas are terrible because it fools the brain in producing insulin.

So your body is getting hit with abnormal amounts of insulin.

So if you want to get to type two, diet B is faster.

Go with the diet.

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This is not good for our friend, Jeff.

I hope he's listening.

This is true though.

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All right.

Well, I appreciate the insight.

So I'm assuming you're going to say diet soda is worse.

Uh, if you, if you're looking on health side, yeah, if you don't care about your body, go for it.

All right.

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Thank you, Kurt.

Uh, have a nice, uh, I, I'm, I'm wishing people a happy Labor Day weekend, Zabers.

It's only Thursday.

We're going to be

here tomorrow.

It feels like a Friday, but yeah, we will be here

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tomorrow.

Many people won't be, but we'll be here tomorrow.

Uh, Greg and Genesee Depot on the text line says, I don't care what's in Coke zero.

I love it.

Uh, Heather up in beautiful Eau Claire, Wisconsin on Facebook, uh, listening to WCFW the tap.

Sugar soda is worse.

Not only because it could kill me.

She happens to be a diabetic, but diet is better also because if it spills, it does not cause a sticky mess.

I didn't know that.

I didn't know that.

She says also not related.

She say, but I may not be available for the bachelor.

Oh, what?

What's going on?

People, like, all right.

Well, that's a long story we're not gonna get into right now.

We're not gonna go to break and come back and we're gonna continue.

What's worse?

Sugars sodas or diet sodas?

Omersile will reveal our picks and I am going to tell you what the final badger score is gonna be.

Don't miss that.

The swami says on the Civic Media Network.

wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.

Welcome back to the Tottenham Ball show on the Civic Media Radio.

We're 35 minutes now past the hour of three o'clock on this Thursday, August 28th, 2025.

Zobbers on the board as the Wisconsin Badgers are getting ready to kick off the college football season later on tonight across many of these stations.

Pre-game show starts at six o'clock.

Be here or be absent.

W. R. C. E. in Richland Center W. L. A. K. in Amory W. F. H. R. in Wisconsin Rapids or as the locals say Rapids and also our great partners W. R. P. N. Ian Rippon or as the locals say Rippon.

So there's that.

Should be great Matt LePay on the call tonight kickoff at eight o'clock pregame show at six the Badgers taking on Miami of Ohio.

We're going to preview that game and the entire season.

In just a minute, but first of all, we want to finish up what's worse.

Lots of entries, lots of feelings on this.

What's worse?

Sugared soda or diet soda?

Sugared soda or diet soda?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Now, one of our callers called him before the break there and said, if you don't care about your body, then drink the diet soda because it has terrible, terrible chemicals in it.

And it makes it...

gives you diabetes quicker.

And so there's that.

Jeff Perry, who said earlier, he called it and said that he was all about the diet soda.

He quotes our caller and says, if you don't care about your body, he says, I think it's pretty obvious that I don't.

Thank you, Jerry.

Jerry, I like your better Jerry.

I call you Jerry Perry.

Tony, watching on Facebook.

It says sugared soda is worse ever since they, whoever they are, put in high fructose corn syrup in instead of real sugar.

Yeah.

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Yeah.

He says, bring on more diet, Mountain Dew or my or Mountain Dew zero with these prices today, the generic substitutes.

All right, Tony.

Now here I do not compliment Donald Trump very often.

I don't say this very often.

But I'll say this, I'm with Trump on cane sugar for Coke.

The thing is, when you just go on Twitter and announce, hello everybody, we've actually worked out a deal.

Coca-Cola is only doing Mexican Coke from now on.

And they're just like...

You didn't talk to us about that.

This is not a policy.

We're not doing that.

I

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think they're not going to only do that, but they're going to offer it more readily.

Because for those that don't know, if you go to a proper Mexican restaurant or a Hispanic restaurant, a Latino restaurant, and you ordered a Mexican Coke in a bottle, the reason they call it Mexican Coke is because Coke that is

manufactured in Mexico or Central America is made with real cane sugar.

It actually is

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different.

Instead of the high fructose corn syrup, and it does taste different, in my opinion, better.

And cane sugar is a natural product, in my opinion.

I had my opinion, it is.

But I think it's better for your system.

That's just me.

Tony.

It's still not

good.

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Tony in, in, no, this is not endorsement to drink all kinds of soda.

Tony on Facebook.

says sugar soda.

We just read that.

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Clearly, I need more sugar soda.

Need more caffeine.

Here's the problem.

I didn't have a cup of coffee until partner 1030 today because I had these labs.

I told this story on the Pat Crichtlow show this morning because I was late going to a show because I didn't have any coffee and I was going to do it the day before.

But you know to do the your analysis the blood work You're not supposed to eat or drink anything for like 10 hours or 12 hours And you can't use the restroom because they want your you know, whatever and so I got up on Wednesday morning, and I was just routine

Take a leak and so I'm like, I'm half way through.

I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have done that.

Now I can't do my labs.

So then so it's all last night.

I went about how am I gonna, I thought I could write myself a note.

I happen to have some blue painters tape out because it's in my travel kit when I go on the road.

And so I took blue painters tape and I put it across the toilet seat.

So when I woke up this morning, I'm like, no, no, no, you can't go to the restroom.

So.

I didn't have any coffee.

I didn't I hadn't used the restroom and then thank God Parker the great producer for morning's impact quite a little Parker says Send me a text and say hey you gotta come on Pat show or you come on So I was late getting on there.

It was a mess.

I had coffee late.

It is messed up my entire day

Yeah, I know I don't

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Zomers is looking at me like, this is old man problems right

here.

And you know what?

Todd Allbaugh

You're exactly right.

No, I agree.

It's coffee problems.

You know, when your body's used to having something and then it doesn't.

All right.

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Zomers, did we get any of the texts we need to get to?

We had some texts.

Megan, our own Megan texted in.

Oh yeah, that's right.

What did she say?

She said, diet soda is the worst.

It doesn't taste right.

If I'm drinking soda, just give me the sugar that comes with it.

I agree with

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that.

I agree with that, Megan Wells.

We have here, John Oshkosh says, diet, Mountain Dew is liquid crack.

Julian Wasson, XCO.

Neither is good for you or our health, but I prefer diet because regular soda is too sweet and syrupy.

Kurt in Madison and MDX says

again.

Are you sharing some information about how growing sugarcane, not great for the environment?

Okay.

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Everything is bad for it.

Yeah, everything is

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bad.

You understand?

If you do, I mean, there's nothing good for us.

I mean, we should just all be, what are we supposed to eat?

Cause even, even like now, you know, now anyway, I don't want to go to

that

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road.

What other texts do we have?

I believe we're more or less

caught

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on.

All right,

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Zombers, what's worse, a sugar soda

or diet soda?

I got to say diet, you know, like health reasons aside, like we said, no soda is good for you.

I am a water drinker most of the time, but.

the sweetness that comes from those other non-sugar sweeteners is just off to me.

So even when it is high-fructose corn syrup, I still prefer a sugared soda.

It's just my personal preference.

Todd Allbaugh

Yeah, I've cut down on my soda after I did the personal training years ago at Orange Shoe Fitness.

I'm back drinking more than I should, but I might have a soda, I don't know.

Couple times a week, you know, maybe once in a while more often, but I I'm a coke Coca-Cola person.

I Do like the Mexican coke better.

I do not like diet.

I just don't like the taste of diet soda.

I never have I can't get used to it I never really tried I guess look I understand there's some people that they if they have sugared sodas that's terrible because they're diabetic, but I I think the chemicals in the diet

is worse for me overall.

So if I'm going to enjoy and treat myself to a Coca-Cola, I would much rather have a Mexican Coke or just a regular Coke.

I'm not a diets total guy.

Yeah, me either.

So I think we're pretty much on the same page.

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All right, very good.

That's what's worse.

42 minutes now, past the hour of three o'clock.

The Badgers are kicking off the football season on many of these stations across the Civic Media Ready Network.

If you're at Camp Randall tonight, like Zomers,

You won't hear this opener anymore, but the Badgers have to get back to the fundamentals.

Here's how they used to run out of the tunnel back in Brady Ewing's

day.

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Now see, that's how you do it.

That just gives me goosebumps.

You two, streets with no name, Barry Alvarez telling you, you better get your tickets pretty soon, there's not gonna be any.

You got Keith Jackson, you do not want him in your secondary.

With Ron Dane, you got Chris Fowler on there from ESPN.

You got Matt LePay with all those great calls on the Badger Radio Network, which you can hear right here tonight, starting at six o'clock for the pregame show.

That's how you open up a game.

And ever since the fickle area now, now you got like, I don't know, you got some kind of a rap hip hop crap going on and it just looks terrible.

Once again, this is Todd talking about this, maybe like a year and a half, two years ago.

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Really?

It was quiet.

And then on all of a sudden it was y'all, get off!

Get off!

That

was Todd complaining about the new DJ for the Badger football.

Todd Allbaugh

Well, that was even worse because First they had this live DJ Which was way too loud and it was exactly what I said was it two years ago?

Something like that.

Well, we were in this studio.

I think it improved a little bit last year but

I just, I just like, I like honoring the heritage, the tradition.

And so now, now they've gotten rid of the, the air raid offense.

That was all the rage.

Well, they brought the.

Yeah, it didn't work.

It didn't work, didn't take.

Hear the words of George Costanza.

And so now, now they've got Grimy, Coach Grimy back in there.

They're going to try to run the ball board tonight.

So I hope, I hope the goodness that.

The Badgers have a better season than they've had in the past.

Optimism reigns.

And we heard we had Joe Thomas, the Hall of Famer on this show, along with Brady Ewing, both Badger alums.

And the Over Under, meaning, you know, what do you think?

How many games are the Badgers, the odds makers?

My friends in the desert, as Brett Mosberger says, the odds makers in Vegas, the Over Under are five and a half wins.

Which I get it you can't have a half a win, but the over under is five and a half Brady and Joe Thomas took the over that means that they're gonna get at least six wins this year Which would get them back in a bowl game?

I Have taken the under

you also said you have a prediction for tonight's score

Todd Allbaugh

I'm working on that.

Okay.

Todd Allbaugh

I'm

working on score

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So Brady normally joins me on this unfortunately he has a real job he's traveling today

And I invited Brandon, his great brother on, who's also a football guru.

He said, I'll take a pass.

No, he's got things going on as well.

I said, you know what?

I might call him sick too.

But no, I'm here.

I'm here.

You understand?

All right.

Here we go.

We're going to start this and we'll finish it on the other side.

Tonight, I believe the Badgers will, in fact, get a win against Miami of Ohio.

Next week, middle Tennessee.

And I believe that the Badgers will get a win there.

Then they traveled to Alabama.

That is a loss.

Then they come back, play against Maryland, the Terps.

I'm iffy on this, but I'll say they beat the Terps at home.

At Michigan, a loss.

At home against Iowa, and this one's a tough one for me, but I'll say that that is also going to be a loss.

At home against number three rated,

Ohio State, a loss.

And then they travel to Oregon.

How will the Badgers do against the Ducks?

I will call the prediction and finish this up after this.

Don't go anywhere.

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Todd Allbaugh

Welcome back to the Taliban show of the Civic Media Radio Network, University of Wisconsin marching band, Eater Rock.

That'll be a great part of tonight.

Get there early summer, see the pregame show.

A little, if you want to be a badger, come along with me.

Always fantastic.

Go to the Union South tonight to see the Wisconsin marching band play.

go through the, uh, the arch into camp Randall.

It's a great tradition.

One of my favorite parts about going to a Badger game they take on middle.

Pardon me.

They take on Miami, Ohio.

Tonight you can hear that game on W R C E and Richland center W. L. A. K. and Aymarine F. H. R. in Wisconsin Rapids and W. R. P. N. in Rippon and maybe on the civic media app as well.

Check it out.

We'll see.

Uh, pregame show at six o'clock.

with Mike Heller and then Matt LePay and Mark Tauger take over with the kickoff just after eight o'clock.

It's a night game tonight.

Going through my predictions for this season, when we last left you, we were at the October 4th game, I said, when the, or when the Badgers go to Michigan, the Wolverines will pull that out, lost for Wisconsin.

They come back to take on Iowa.

This is always a close series, Iowa and Wisconsin.

I'm gonna say Iowa sneaks by by a field goal a loss for Bucky then Ohio State comes to town Number three in the country right now loss for Wisconsin.

They go to Oregon number seven of the country loss I predict They'll come back.

I am going to say they beat the Washington Huskies at home on November 8th.

That's a win for Bucky go to Indiana It's gonna be close

I'm gonna go with, uh, with the Hoosiers.

Then the traveling Burtz, Brett Bielema, who of course came to Wisconsin where he coached and went to three Rose Bowls, won three big 10 championships, was Brady Ewing's main coach all those years.

And then he came back, Bielema did as the Illinois coach and he beat Paul Christ and it was after that loss that McIntosh, the AD fired Christ.

The traveling Burtz come back to

Camp Randall and beat Bucky once again.

And maybe that's the final straw for Fick.

And then my prediction is that Barry Elver as the interim coach of Wisconsin will go to Minnesota to try to win back the X. If Fickle is still the coach, I wish he probably will because it's a huge buyout.

I don't think Fickle's going anywhere this year, regardless.

Unfortunately, the Flexsters, who will be taking on the Fixsters,

The flexors win, they'll row the boat and beat Wisconsin.

I have Wisconsin at four and eight this year, wins tonight, next week against Maryland and Washington.

Now that said, my unofficial round table that we go through this every year, one of the people at the round table has a record of three and nine for Bucky.

Another person at the table, seven and five, getting back to a bowl game, and their son.

Parker, the optimist to the group, has Bucky at nine and three and knocking on the door to a playoff championship.

I want to be great if Parker was right this year.

And look, I say, I make my predictions because for those who have watched this show a while, listen to it.

I bought it on fickle hook line and sinker when he got hired.

I think I had Bucky like almost undefeated and going to a national championship.

Maybe that was a little bit of wishful thinking.

I want the Badgers to do well.

I really do, because it's a great, most part of what makes Wisconsin great.

So I wish them all the best of luck.

And look, Matt LePay and Tauzer are always great to listen to.

And I hope at the end of the season, Zomers, you can replay this and people can call in and say what a boob, Todd, is when it comes to picking sports records.

We can only hope.

Todd Allbaugh

Yes, we can only hope.

We can.

Now Dana, listening on WLCX and LaCrosse, Dana with a.

with a hot take.

Dana says, unfortunately, Bucky loses tonight on a fourth quarter pick six.

You heard it here first.

Wow.

That's that would be that would be unfortunate.

All right, Somers, I will tell you the score tonight.

Perhaps closer than the experts think in the words of the incomparable Lee Corso, Wisconsin 21 and Miami of Ohio 14.

Bucky wins tonight 21 to 14.

That is my prediction for the game tonight.

We'll see.

I hope they crush them.

I hope with this new offense, they come out and reestablish the Wisconsin running game.

I hope that's true.

Dick listening on WMDX here in Madison, calling in Dick about a minute or so here.

Are you going to the game tonight, Dick?

No, I wish I was.

I used to have season tickets.

late nineties, early 2000 till about 2003.

I just thought of my favorite game I ever witnessed there.

Todd Allbaugh

Tell me.

Against Drew Brees night game and my buddy that I were sitting there on the upper deck and JJ and he goes at halftime.

God, he might throw the ball 65 times, 70 times tonight.

You know, how many times he threw it?

Todd Allbaugh

A lot.

82.

Yeah.

Todd Allbaugh

It was incredible.

It

was just crazy.

It was crazy.

And we had so much fun with the Purdue fans because during jump around and all the people are looking at us and this is moving.

And Jim and I were just, I don't feel nothing to you.

You've got to feel this.

No, we don't feel the thing.

What are you talking about?

Todd Allbaugh

But it

was a great night.

Hello again.

Todd Allbaugh

I was not at that game, but I know other people that were.

They said the same thing.

One of the most memorable Wisconsin games they've ever been at.

Imagine throwing the ball 82 times.

No, I can't.

And they lost.

I know.

It was bad.

Todd Allbaugh

It was crazy.

Drew Brees to this day does not enjoy coming back to Madison.

That's what I've heard for real.

Probably

Todd Allbaugh

not.

Yeah.

Not a fan of Wisconsin.

And of course he went on to win a Super Bowl.

So I mean, you know, nothing against him.

They

go way back for one more.

Yeah.

Penn State.

1970 when I was a sophomore in high school.

They beat a team with Jack Ham, Lydell Mitchell, Franco Harris.

Wow.

Incredible.

They came in here rated like fifth or sixth and the badgers beat him.

Todd Allbaugh

Love it.

Great way to end the show, Dick.

Thanks for the call.

Best of luck to Bucky.

You can hear it tonight on the Wisconsin Badger Ready Network on Richland Center, Amory, Wisconsin Rapids and Rippin pregame show at six o'clock and the kickoff at eight o'clock.

Stay with us.

Maggie Dawn is next.

We'll be here live tomorrow.

We'll do a rehash of the game tonight until then, whatever you're fighting for, whatever you believe in, do not give up.

Keep banging your drum.

We'll see you tomorrow.

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