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More serious matters at hand on a Wednesday always glad to talk politics life in general and fun with the host of the new mornings with Pat Crite low every morning from six until nine right here on civic media Joining us via stream yard from beautiful lake with soda mr. Crite low and the band is back together

On a Wednesday, joining us from the Tony Arlington suburbs of our nation's capital, the senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, Mr. Trigvie Olson.

Gentlemen, how are you?

Well, this is a treat.

Somebody

got up from his nap to join us.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Cat,

it's so good to see you.

It's so good to see you too, Grandpa.

This is great.

You know, I remember

when you wrote.

It's been a long time.

You used to write to me when I was anchoring the news.

You'd say, well, I just

finished my pudding here at the nursing home,

and I

just

wanted to tell you what a great job you're doing, and I appreciate it.

That's true.

For those that might not know what's going on, because of the time changes for Civic and various other assorted and sundry reasons, we used to do this every Wednesday, and it's been a month plus since we've all been together.

here now, thanks to Pat and Trigby being so kind and are rearranging their lives and schedules for us.

Here we are all back together on Wednesdays for, for one week.

I guess

I'm only for a week.

I'm gone next week, but after that, we're good.

We're good.

Theoretically, I mean, we got Memorial Day weekend yet to come up.

Todd might be coming up north.

It could get messy from here on in.

We might have to see if Rick Poi's available.

Oh boy, we're just getting all the oldies back together here.

Hey, can I tell you about some news that kind of broke at the state capitol?

Apparently today, I want to vent about.

And this was sent to me by somebody who I think was trying to be helpful.

saying sending some cell phone video of the Republican head of the Judiciary Committee, which would be Representative Tussler, right?

Calling police because somebody was giving testimony on a bill and refused to take off his hat, which had an expletive on there followed by Trump.

And it

does start with an F. Funny that you should say that.

And he said, you have to take off the hat.

The assembly rules say so.

Suddenly from from the crowd I hear all this heckling and jeering like what are you gonna do about it?

He said well, we're gonna have to call the police Oh go ahead go ahead call the police and on and on the jeering went that Chair Tussler had to adjourn the hearing and wait for you know some kind of order to be restored and I'm sure somebody thought that the story here was that the head of the Judiciary Committee had to call police because

I mean we saw what in Idaho a woman got tased you know at at one function and we've we've certainly seen a lot of examples where you know the the MAGA crowd has gone overboard in its treatment.

This was not one of those times and and the the person who sent it to me was very unhappy when I responded uh saying uh the the following well I haven't had a proper reason to call out

I have to clean this up.

Bad conduct on the liberal side of things.

So I guess now these clowns have made sure that I can no longer claim that it's only magas who can't be respectful in a legislative hearing.

This is not helpful at all.

And this person fired back saying, well, they haven't earned any respect.

This is a terrible bill.

And like, well, the bill is no longer the focus of attention, is it?

So let me do them a favor.

and bring attention back to the bill for just a moment, because it's a bill that says this involves officer-involved deaths, okay?

Current law says that if a DA, if a district attorney, refuses to issue a complaint against a person, a judge may still conduct a hearing to determine if there is probable cause to believe that a person committed a crime, and if so issue a complaint.

This bill, this terrible bill,

says that if there's an officer related death and the DA decides not to charge, no judge may follow up and issue a complaint against the officer unless there's new evidence presented.

Now again, this isn't the end of the world, but it's still a dumb idea.

Okay, it again, it ruins our checks and balances.

But there, that's where the focus should have been.

And instead, you had people throughout this hearing, jeering, heckling, cat calling, you know, bringing stuff to a halt.

for no good reason, and I'm just going to say that, you know, not only as a former legislator in that position, not only as somebody who's covered these things, but as somebody who was taught some manners, don't do that.

I mean, there is a time and a place, all right?

I would take you back to the Act 10 vote, you know, and when everybody packed the galleries and hollered shame, shame, shame on the legislators, there's a time and a place for these things, but this one was so unnecessary.

And I just thought it was important that if I'm going to call out bad conduct on one side of things, I got to call out bad conduct on the other side.

And I hope you guys don't mind my little event session about it.

Pat, I applaud you and commend you.

I couldn't

agree more, Trigby.

100%.

And I mean, the lack of civility and just common decency knows no partisan balance.

and needs to be called

out.

Well, that's just it.

And look, you can blame, if you want, you can blame the fact that in some ways, the mega mentality has made it almost socially acceptable

to

engage in heckling and taunting, the keyword being almost.

And some of us are going to stand up and go, no.

No, it is not socially acceptable.

Speak out against this bill.

It's a terrible bill.

But guess what?

I don't think the governor's going to sign it.

So I think you testify against it.

Maybe lose the hat because otherwise you lose the credibility in your testimony and stop trying to make trouble where you don't need to.

There's plenty of other things to use your energy on.

Not to have one of your allies who has a talk show call you out for being

doing something dumb.

I think you nailed it, Pat.

It takes the emphasis away from the reason they were there to testify against a seemingly bad bill.

But I couldn't agree more.

As a guy who still respects our institutions, A, I just think it's bad form, bad manners to wear a hat like that or a t-shirt that spells out.

The f-word I mean there are kids watching a Wisconsin I or whatever and to your point Pat the rules of the assembly Whether you agree with them or not those are the rules the chair has the ability and should enforce them regardless of who it is and and for this person and others to be saying well, you know We don't like the manga hat or whatever

It doesn't give you an excuse to disregard the rules and go after the chairperson because they're enforcing the rules of the institution

Yeah, I mean I tried to put myself in their place thinking well what if you know I were the chair and this person comes up with an f Obama hat you know and what I would I react in the same way and I have to say yeah, I first I'd probably say something like I'm sure you think you're being really clever here, but I'm not gonna listen to anything you say

I'm not even going to let you say it because we got rules here, you know, and I'm sure there'd be heckling and catcalling from the anti-Obama crowd in that moment as well.

But again, still doesn't make it right.

So there you have it, folks.

Welcome to three old men get back together and say, there ought to be rules.

There ought to be civility.

And I shake my fist at the cloud on behalf of all of you.

Tony Wanshee on YouTube says, plenty of chances for good trouble, no need for dumb trouble.

But, Trigby, I go back to when one of my former bosses, Dale Schultz, was Senate Majority Leader.

And, you know, the Defense of Marriage Act came up at the time, which is, you know, a whole other, you know, the word for that.

You know, as a guy who was still in the closet at the time, who was not comfortable for me to do that.

And yes, it passed, unfortunately, but I'll tell you this.

Dale, as the Republican leader, sat down with Judy Robson, the Democratic leader, and he said, we're going to give your side as much time as you want on the floor to say whatever you want against this bill, and we're not going to interrupt you.

And he went to his caucus, enclosed caucus, and he said, the only person who's going to speak is the author of this bill, and no one's getting up and going after the other side on the floor.

Or you're going to have to answer to me.

And that's how it went down.

And there was decorum, people disagreed, but the Democrats got to say whatever and as much as they wanted because there are rules of institutions.

Yeah.

I mean, we get to do

that.

Why do people not want to agree to disagree?

Right?

Yeah.

It begs a deeper question.

Where did we go off the rails so much that people stop being decent to one another?

lost that.

I don't know.

And I just know that I want to get back to, and we've I've said this with you guys before, I want to get back to these honest arguments and debates.

There are things, I mean, Todd and I have mixed it up in the past.

Six months or so more than ever before and it's been it's been so healthy

Yeah, you know that the things that

we don't necessarily see eye-to-eye on because that's how you find what's in the middle Trigvia hasn't picked a fight with me in like a year that

didn't

involve you know personal attacks, but

I'm sure there are issues

I'm sure there are issues we still disagree

on as well.

Yeah, I still fight like a Republican, but I care like a Democrat

Speaking

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that.

Gosh.

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I got dressed this morning.

Yeah.

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That's

the store.

It's the only way Todd gets

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buy the shirts.

Am I really on the air?

Is this like an AI simulation?

That's what I was thinking yesterday.

I was thinking

that

yesterday.

I'm like, this can't be real.

But here we are.

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Absolutely.

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Oh, the store on the Civic Radio media app.

Yeah, Trigvie wanted so bad.

You can be in Bayfield or Barnabelle.

It doesn't really matter.

Now Trigvie, what do you want?

Here's to any places and you can get the t-shirt.

Two weeks from Friday, Trigvie.

Can you get back to?

to Wisconsin on the 23rd.

Friday the 23rd.

Memorial Day weekend.

Friday the 23rd.

Yep.

Memorial Day weekend.

We're tentatively aiming towards a look.

We're tentatively aiming towards a pontoon show on Lake Wissota.

Yeah.

Oh, well then I'm

figuring out how to get back.

There we go.

I don't know what's going on, but I do know.

All right.

Oh, the 23rd.

Yep.

I'm getting that.

I'm blocking it on my calendar right now,

baby.

This is fantastic.

All right.

Come on back.

Talk about, uh, let's see.

Ron Johnson, Trump meme coins after this on the all ball show.

You're listening to us across Wisconsin on the civic media.

Ready to work.

It is warm

on Lake Wissota, or things are warming up.

And here now, don't say you can't learn international news from Lake Wissota, checking out the chimney above the quite low estate on Lake Wissota.

Right now, the smoke is billowing.

And apparently now, we have no pope because

we have no pope.

And Trigvie already has the best take on it.

I know that's bad video.

But what does the black smoke indicate, Trigvie?

Donald Trump lost another election.

That's right, baby.

Donald Trump.

Still not the pope.

Still not the pope.

Day one, the votes have been cast.

Black smoke, according to reports from the Vatican, there is no new pope.

That was a good line trick.

That was that was really glad Martin Luther came along and I don't have to worry about it.

Oh Lord, that's a whole nother

to pay right right there.

By

the way, do you know why I used that song Heat Wave?

No, why?

It's this first song that plays in the film Grumpy Old Men.

Oh, really?

Oh.

You

know,

Zomers, I was just about to say I'm glad you're back.

I'm not so sure now.

Yeah, fair enough.

Fair

enough.

Welcome back.

Pat Krightlow, a host of Mornings of Pat Krightlow Every Morning.

Now, six until nine.

An extra hour of Pat.

That'll make you happy every morning with your cup of coffee.

And then Triggy Olson

from beautiful Washington, D.C.

or the suburbs thereof.

Senior advisor at the Lincoln Project.

Talk a little bit before we went to break about this.

If

Pat would ever invite me on, you'd get an extra hour of Triggy too.

Hey, now,

now, now we're till nine.

We're a more humane hour for you.

We'll definitely have you on in the eight AM hour.

He can get

up by nine.

He's ready to go by nine o'clock.

Pat

brought this great, not well, important story.

I think about what happened to the Capitol today in one of the assembly hearings.

Apparently somebody came to testify against a bill and they wore an FU with the.

F spelled out on a hat and the the chairs that wait the assembly rules of Trump or F.

Oh, yeah.

I'm sorry.

Trump.

F. Trump.

If you that's a seal of green song and we don't have time for that right now.

If Trump

is what the

hat said

and.

So the chairs said, wait, the assembly rules don't allow this.

And the guy refused to take off the hat.

He said, if you don't take it off, we're to call Capitol Police.

That's what happened.

They had to close down the hearing for a while.

And so Pat brought this up as a Democrat, a former state senator, that he feels that was appropriate for the Republican chair to do this because you have to have some amount of decorum.

Here now, one of our listeners, Wes in Middleton, listening on to be MDX says, and Trigby and I agreed with Pat, by the way.

Wes says, quote, so one team is disappearing legal residents to Libya and El Salvador.

The other is wearing a hat.

Decorum is dead, fellas.

The left needs to step it up in capital letters, not played by the rules that only apply to them in 50 years.

Who's going to be on the right side of history?

Unquote.

Pat, very easy response.

Choose your battles.

Decorum is not dead, and you've been told over and over again, do not fall for Trump's dumb side shows.

But at the same time, don't create dumb side shows of your own.

It's that simple.

put the focus where it belongs and again time and a place to demonstrate the protest and the that person is right and that democrats need to step up like never before speak up like never before but you you can do it in a way that actually appeals to voters and doesn't just turn them off if you're only going to appeal to your base bingo if you're only going to appeal to your base i mean you're no you're no different than the magus

it's another

information silo yeah

You lose.

You know, I mean, I came up with these seven rules for dealing with autocrats when I worked around the world.

Rule number four, don't hand the other side battering rams with which to beat you.

And that's exactly what this guy did.

It plays into Donald Trump's hands.

And you know what, dude?

If you want to get down and do that, we're not going to have no decorum and we're going to fight Donald Trump the way Donald Trump is fighting us, you're going to lose.

You just lost and you're not going to out pig Donald Trump.

No, you're not in the mud.

It reminds me there was a story this morning that Derek Van Orden said that he had to cancel a town hall and checking on his family after getting some kind of a credible threat.

And I put online, look, if in fact is a credible threat, then yes, take it seriously.

And I hope they find this person.

However, this is also the same Derek Van Orden who said that a domestic terrorist basically assaulted him at the RNC.

And it was a woman from Code Pink who essentially brushed against him going, excuse me.

And I mean, Derek Van Orden just made it sound like, you know, World War Three.

So again, let's let's try to bring the temperature down for everybody in this.

Yeah, that was breaking news.

I know Dan Schaeffer, the Reconpopulation Area, our political editor put that in our chat that Van Orden tweeted this out.

He canceled his town hall today and said that both he, his wife, and I think his kids and grandkids allegedly received threatening or credible threats is what he's called it.

Look, I agree with you, Pat.

I'm also willing to at least take about his word.

We all three of us have said,

at different times.

There is no place for violence period.

There's no place for political violence.

So, you know, we'll take about his word for today.

I don't think it negates certainly coming back to these issues at

a later date.

But he'll he'll again use this in future remarks as well.

You know, a tossler here, the assembly rep who's chairing the committee will now talk about the hostile, you know, setting that the liberals have put him in.

So again, it doesn't help.

And you know what, if you really care about Garcia or the people that are being.

Export it being a butthead isn't gonna get you it does nothing for them.

That's

not helping them in the least Yeah,

not in the

least

so if

you if that's what you really care about Which you should care about because it's a slippery slope

Then I

do it wearing that hat.

How does that hat help?

I'm

I'm going to go gas up the pontoon here, guys.

It's time to get that thing launched.

I hear I'm excited

about

that.

Are you

going

to

grill?

Absolutely.

Join us in

a

couple of Fridays.

We're going to try to make this happen.

Quite low.

Trigby and me.

Pat, every morning, six until nine on Civic Media.

Thank you, Patrick.

We appreciate you.

Have a great day.

See you

later.

Come on back.

Trigby and I talk about more news of the day and how the Packers did in the draft and more.

It's a great day to be Wisconsinite on the Civic Media radio network.

She certainly can,

can, can.

pond too in a Lake was so to Trigby Olson, who, uh, not just a hockey player, he's a great skier as well.

Or so we hear.

Welcome back to the top of all show of the civic media, ready to work.

35 minutes past the hour of two o'clock on a Wednesday, May 7th, 2025.

Many things to pack right low for taking time out and joining us today on Trigby Republican.

Like myself, a river falls native.

Joins us every Wednesday for the nation's capital.

Now with the senior advisor at the Lincoln Project.

You are not you are not a big water skier back in the day.

Trick me.

Oh, yeah, I used to water ski.

See, I knew I knew he did.

When's the last time you

had a pair of water skis?

Good.

That's a good question.

It's been a while.

Well, yeah, it's been a while.

All right.

Very good.

Well, I don't know that, you know, honestly, hitting the water hard.

that much fun.

No, I thought it all.

Yeah, we used to barefoot and all kinds of ridiculous stuff.

Speaking of

ridiculous

stuff.

It's true.

Nice

translation.

Yeah, young and

ridiculous stuff.

Right, exactly.

Speaking of the ridiculous, and many things, speaking of Pat Critello, he, you know, with the fire hose of information that comes out these days, it's tough to keep track of everything.

So Pat put me onto this story right before we came on.

It broke mid-morning today, and this from Wisconsin Public Radio.

Speaking of great news organization, I mean, here you know, Trump trying to cut public broadcasting.

This, maybe because they get stories like this, right?

Here is a headline that at first I'm like, no, this couldn't be.

Here's the headline from Wisconsin Public Radio.

Adams County Board votes to replace treasurer

elected by voters with candidates she beat in November.

Story by Joe Schultz at Wisconsin Public Radio.

This is real.

Adams County, just to the east and north of Wisconsin Dells, to give you some reference there, says the treasurer of rural Adams County in Central Wisconsin says she has no plans to leave office despite the county board's vote to replace her.

with the person she defeated in the most recent election.

At a special meeting last week, the Adams County Board voted 14 to six to approve a resolution saying county treasurer Cara Dozel's post with the county had been quote unquote vacated and that her former opponent, Kim Minehart, was being appointed for the remainder of Dozel's term.

Before the vote, Republican state representative Scott Krug argued that the board was following, quote, a fundamentally illegal, unquote, process in attempting to remove an elected official.

But attorneys for the county said the resolution was legal at the April 29th board meeting.

Dozel.

was still performing her duties as county treasurer as of yesterday afternoon.

She said she's been told she could continue to act as treasurer until there is a court order saying that she cannot.

She said the board's actions had come as a surprise.

Quote, I was not warned that the county was even discussing this.

Dozel told Wisconsin Public Radio the day before the meeting I was sent an email asking if I wanted to step down before they had this scheduled meeting the following day.

Dozel, a Republican,

defeated Mineheart, an independent, in November 2024's election, by 980 votes.

When Dozel took office, she was also serving as treasurer for the town of Lincoln and Adams County.

She won reelection to her position with the town in April.

According to Krug, it's been common in Wisconsin history for county treasurers to also serve in multiple roles.

But the

County board resolution states that the two roles were, quote unquote, legally incompatible.

In an April 28th memo from the law firm hired by the county said there were conflicts of interest, quote, that may arise in the performance of both duties for office or both, both duties of both offices, unquote.

Trigby, you and I both have known people over the years, county elected officials who have been also at the same time in the state assembly.

And what's most concerning to me is you have a county board in Adams County, and when we hear about overturning elections, this is happening right here in Wisconsin.

Okay, a few things on Adams County here.

I'm doing some research because I wanted to find out the name of the county board chairman.

They don't even list on the Adams County website the members of the county board.

Okay, but here's what's even better.

The county board apparently at some point passed a

values and mission statement for Adams County.

Now get this, mission statement, to provide high quality services in an economical, fair, professional and courteous manner, enhancing and protecting the health, welfare and safety of those who visit, live and work in Adams County.

Okay.

First of all, you're not doing very good on that because you're not looking very fair or professional.

You're looking like.

a bunch of idiots.

Second, their value statement.

Adams County government conducts its affairs in a professional, professional, accountable manner, acting with the highest integrity.

Yes, late night meetings where you take out the lady who is the treasurer and replace her with her opponent from your party is not so great.

We are knowledgeable, resourceful, incredible and adhered to these values at all times.

Apparently the other night.

Vision statement, we strive to be Wisconsin's county of choice by providing sustainable opportunities that will enhance the quality of life to preserve and protect our natural resources and to create a positive environment for business.

I mean, I think the PR hit that your county is going to take, not just in Wisconsin, wait till this gets traction.

Right.

Ain't going to be what you're looking for.

I just do not get this.

Like I say, we talk about overturning elections, you know, all the time, other places.

And here now, Adams County doing that.

And by the way, let's give a shout out to a state representative, Krug, a Republican in this story in the Wisconsin Public Radio.

It says Krug said he's working with his colleagues in the legislature from the Adams County area, both Democrats and Republicans.

to address this issue.

He says, quote, we are drafting a piece of legislation to say, hey, we don't find that there is some inconsistency or incompatibility with these offices.

He said, we're not sure how the draft will look in the end because the legislative process always changes from start to finish.

But I just think we can definitely clear up this in.

cleared it that up even more in statute.

So I give, I give crew.

Let's try and get that guy on.

Somebody needs to call crew and ask him if he'll come on because he deserves a ton of props for this.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

For ton of them.

Speaking out against overturning an election.

Ton of them.

Ton of them.

And honestly, Democrats across the state, everybody should be speaking up on this guy's behalf.

Absolutely.

If I were a Democrat in the state legislature and he's putting that legislation forward, you should sign on immediately.

100%.

This should be a 99 to nothing the 33 33 nothing vote Okay, I finally found these guys on the county board of supervisors.

You have

to

dig really deep and it's only in a PDF Now it appears that the district 8 there's a guy with the same last name as the treasurer But it's a small county like what would you expect anyway?

This is

fascinating, but I still can't find the chair

Honestly, if we could figure out who the chair was, we could call that guy and see if he'd come on to talk to us too.

I bet he wouldn't.

I bet he wouldn't.

No, I bet he wouldn't either.

I bet he wouldn't.

But you know, actually, how far is it from Eau Claire to Adams County?

Oh,

it's a ways.

Maybe.

Adams County is just above Wisconsin.

Yeah, it is.

It would be a drive.

Why, you want to do the show from Adams County?

Yeah, we should do it from the courthouse.

But I mean, how ridiculous is this trivia for a Wisconsin County board to overturn an election because she's doing something that has been done multiple times in the state that they hold two elective offices.

They're not, they're not incongruent or there's no conflict of interest here.

You're a

county.

No, that strikes me as somebody trying to come up with the pretext after the fact.

Right?

Right, doesn't it sort of screen

that?

Yeah, I I I definitely think so It's just another we have elections in this country.

They need to be respected and just because you don't like the person who won just because you don't Have feelings on this that doesn't mean we overturn elections in this country and it doesn't mean that we certainly we don't overturn elections in this

state

No, and what I would say, you know, we had that text last hour from the guy from Middleton who was taking offense to what Pat was saying, right?

Like this is how you do it.

Todd and I are trying to say this is wrong.

All Democrats, everybody should stand up and say this is wrong.

Everybody should say they're not giving due process to anyone in the United States that's here legally, legally, not a citizen, legally is wrong.

That's how you do

it.

I don't know.

I just, I read that story twice because I'm like, really?

This

is happening in Wisconsin?

I'm going to say this because I checked the federal communications website.

This

is one of the most asinine stories that I have ever heard.

And you can say that word because it's not the other word.

It is asinine.

I mean, you know, when you drive to, when you drive to Adams County, you can, you can roll down your windows and you can listen to the music in Adams County.

You could hear it in the hills sometime.

Have you ever done that?

Have you been to Adams County before?

Trippy?

Yeah, I rode out the pandemic in Adams County.

Was that where you did that?

Really?

You kind of, you drove

through,

you rolled down your

windows.

You said,

what is that sound?

I went ice fishing into a Friday night.

A Friday night fish fry when everything was closed down for most of the county.

They liked me.

Really?

Yeah.

Dude, I'm pretty quintessential Wisconsin.

That's how my kids are like.

They're like, you know everybody in Wisconsin, I'm like, I actually don't.

but pretty Wisconsin.

All

right,

you can hear the banjo's up there in Adams County.

All right, very good.

We'll

stay on

top

of this.

We'll stay on top of this story.

We'll

stay on top of the story.

Thank you,

Pat.

Stay on top of it.

Honestly, we've got to get somebody from Adams County on.

I'm coming back.

And Scott Krug.

Whenever you get somebody from Adams County, I'm coming on.

Oh, I'd like to say that Scott Krug, good job.

Yes, props to Representative Krug for standing up and

doing the

right thing.

100%.

Regardless of party.

Regardless of party.

100%.

Speaking of what

we got.

This isn't about party.

No, it's

not.

Before the break, let's get your quick thoughts on this two minute speed round.

Mike Pence, former vice president, Mike Pence was honored with the John Fitzgerald Kennedy Award for Profile and Courage for standing up to Trump on January 6th and certifying the election.

Did a lot of interviews, one of which was with JFK's grandson, Jack Schlesinger or whatever his name is, was on CNN, other places.

Some people are salty because they said, well, he just did his job.

Do you think it was warranted?

Did Pence deserve it?

Yeah, for sure.

I think so.

I agree.

And again, I don't agree with a lot of things that Mike Pence says or

stands for.

Honestly, the optics of it, of highlighting it, it's important.

I think, yes, he was just doing his job, but no one else is doing that.

So you're right, highlighting it and showing, hey, you know what?

It is possible to stand up is important.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And, you know, I mean, Mike Pence takes a lot of grief.

He's not my cup of coffee.

Wasn't my part of the conservative when I was a Republican.

But, you know, Mike Pence, I think if Mike Pence were your neighbor, you'd be pretty happy to have Mike Pence as your neighbor.

Yeah.

And mother as well.

Yeah, mother too.

No, I think

the fact that the fact that Pence rejected Ron Johnson's altered slate of fake electors from Wisconsin and said, we're not going there, that deserves at least, especially as Robert said, in today's world.

So, we'll come back, talk more about today's world, find out what Trigby thought of the draft, a la the Green Bay Packers and much more.

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It is eight before the hour of three o'clock.

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That's all I need to know.

And then, uh, I think Jimmy Cuskas on the sports desk where they sports update brewers down at last check in the seventh inning there on some of our stations right now, uh, six to one.

Houston on top of the blue crew they will finish up this afternoon and then back in action tomorrow With another 11 35 a.m.

Broadcast.

No, pardon me.

They're off tomorrow.

They're off tomorrow and then back on Friday Down in Tampa Bay the Tampa Bay Rays joining us via stream yard as he does every Wednesday Trigby Olson senior advisor at the Lincoln project I Do you want to talk Ron Johnson or Packers?

It's up to you.

Let's do quick.

I like you taking Ron Johnson quick and then we'll finish up back.

Let's talk Ron Johnson.

Milwaukee Journal said no.

Lawrence Andrea writes

this.

But I'm staying for this or that.

Oh, are you?

Oh, fantastic.

Are

we doing this or that?

It's what's worse, but yes.

The song is this or that, but the bit is what's worse.

He's going to stay for that headline from Milwaukee.

This

or

that Milwaukee Journal sent no fair.

Ron Johnson says Republican budget doesn't cut enough spending wants Medicaid on the table.

And Scooby Doo once said Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson is warning that congressional Republicans budget framework will fail to gain support without deeper.

financial spending reductions.

And he is suggesting concerns from his GOP colleagues over cuts to program like Medicaid are complicating the process.

Quote, the mistake people are making is they're looking at programs that spend tens, hundreds of billions of dollars.

We can't touch that.

We can't touch that.

Can't touch that.

Johnson, Wisconsin's highest ranking Republican Senate May 5th, quote, I would go through 2,400 lines and go.

Justify spending on quote Johnson's who serves on the Senate budget committee said the House Republicans proposed budget resolution needs to go beyond its target of two trillion dollars in cuts Republicans he said should slash federal spending to levels in line with those before the 2020 pandemic Trig V as we keep reminding folks turns out lots of people in

Elder care, nursing homes, memory care, it's not just people in blue parts of Wisconsin.

Turns out all red and blue voters enjoy Medicaid benefits, and it doesn't seem like a wise thing to be telling Wisconsinites, I'm coming after your mom and dad in the nursing homes, or childcare, or a myriad of other things that Medicaid helps Wisconsinites for.

Well...

How to answer this one I am not a huge Ron Johnson fan.

I think he's a ginormous Johnson His hubris is what drives me nuts, but um, you know, I I am not against the idea that you would spend the That you shouldn't

set a goal of trying to restore funding back to where it was prior to the pandemic.

I'm not even sure that looking at having everything on the table and being reviewed doesn't make sense, right?

The problem is for Ron Johnson and the rest of him is they've lost all credibility because of how their pal Elon Musk has gone about a process with Doge that has really not cut

much of anything, it's just caused utter chaos.

And it's hard for Ron Johnson to have a lot of credibility when you have a president who's tweeting out that he wants to put tariffs on movies and then they're walking it back 20 minutes later, right?

Like that's the problem that

that he has.

There's no trust, and that's the unfortunate thing.

If Tammy Baldwin were to come out because there is some level of trust with her, and I don't agree with her probably on a lot of things, and say we have to look at this, this, and this, people would give her a little bit of a benefit of the doubt because they trust her.

It's really hard to trust Ron Johnson.

And he has no one to blame for that,

but Ron Johnson.

But but you know, as well as I do, because even you work for guys like John McCain and others in the U.S.

Senate, you understand federal budgets as better as well as anyone.

I'll put it that way.

You you agree.

I don't.

Well, but you do agree or disagree.

You know,

the politics of it, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are the third rail of politics.

That's

right.

But you can't get you can't get to the levels of cuts that they've already voted on in Congress.

without cutting Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security.

You just can't do it.

No, I know.

You agree with that,

right?

That is true.

well or but but some of this is the semantics of what quantifies as a cut right like democrats and they don't do themselves any favors on this they would be better off being honest about it social security is going to go broke if we continue to have a retirement age that doesn't get in line with the fact that people are living longer right now to characterize raising the retirement age to a cut

Because to make it solve it, you may have to raise it from 65 to 67 or 70 or delay at what point you get full benefits based on when you retire.

That's a very different conversation than saying, we're just going to cut the amount that you're going to get.

Right.

Because as soon as people hear cut, so.

Go ahead.

Right.

There's the politics of this and then there's the policy of it.

And that's the complicated part.

The problem is, is that, well, there's a piece of me that.

I wouldn't agree with how far Ron Johnson wants to go.

I would agree with the principle that we should probably be looking at everything because we need to make these programs solvent so that the people who really need it are getting it.

The problem is both sides in our political debate have demagogued

these things to the point where no one can have a real serious conversation.

And it's really hard to trust, particularly somebody like Ron Johnson, given some of his other track records that he's being honest.

You can always trust Trivio also to give his honest opinions.

We'll we'll get to the Packers after the top of the hour here.

He's going to stick around for what's worse, talk a little Packers draft and more.

Hour number two of the show is straight ahead.

It's a Wednesday and it's the Civic Media radio network.

I think it's time Terry, the party trophy goes home to Lambeau Field where it belongs.

Live from the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Alba, along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer on the board.

It is six past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two of the big program.

It is Wednesday, May 7th, 2025.

It's a great day to be in Wisconsinite, and it is pump day.

There you go.

Made it to the middle of the week.

The camel is still with us, even in the new time slot.

Glad to have you along.

Many thanks to Pat Crite Low for being here in hour number one along with Trig V. Olson.

And Mr. Olson, Senior Advisor of the Lincoln Project, has agreed to stick around for a little fun and games here in hour two.

A little bit later, I want to bring you an update on the old Trump meme coin.

Remember the Trump meme coin that launched in January?

Well, unfortunately, yes.

Yes, we have an update on that.

We'll talk about that a little bit later on.

And what's worse, regarding mammals and reptiles.

So we'll talk about that in a minute.

But Trigvie joined us for hour two here for a little while.

We appreciate you sticking around.

I did want to get to it all seriousness because, you know, for those that don't know, not only is Trigvie a native of Wisconsin, like myself, not only is a former Republican,

like myself.

He is now the senior advisor at the Lincoln Project after leaving said party.

But more importantly, he is an owner of the Green Bay Packers.

So what do you think of the draft?

$400,000 other people in

Wisconsin.

What do you think of the draft by all accounts locally?

It went well, big, big crowds like.

depending upon who you listen to, either the second or third largest since they started taking the draft on the road.

But we can talk about that for a second, reflections on that, but also the actual picks by Green Bay.

Well, so first of all, a shout out to the Wisconsin Department of Tourism.

I don't know who runs that now, or

who the

people were, but

the advertising

that they were doing, not Moose.

Not Moose.

But the ghost of Moose Spiros clearly was alive and well because they did such a good job of marketing it out here.

Like

all

the feeds, all the podcasts that I was listening to, everything was about give Wisconsin a shot.

Wow.

Think

about moving to Wisconsin.

Like it was awesome.

That's really cool.

They deserve a big shout out.

It was cool.

Um, yeah, I mean, the draft, if you're asking me about what the Packers did in the draft, honestly, like, here's the thing.

I don't quite understand what Gudekunst was doing to receivers.

Like, huh?

But I trust the guys.

So clearly after he duped, honestly, after he duped those New York City slickers on the Aaron Rogers thing and kind of the Oakland, those Vegas people over Devonte Adams, like.

Who am I to suggest that he doesn't know what he's doing?

But I didn't really get it.

And then the offensive tackle.

I don't like some defense, but whatever.

I

mean,

I can't get all worked up.

I'm not going to be like Peter Underscore Bukowski or one of these talking heads.

I like Peter Underscore Bukowski.

So I shouldn't be bagging on him.

But Locked On Packers, good listen as a podcast.

But yeah, I don't know.

I mean, this receiver they got.

Some people say he's good, some people say he doesn't.

This is the thing that drives me nuts about the NFL draft though, Todd.

Have you ever noticed if you're listening to Mel Kuiper or these guys, every guy who gets drafted, they should just put a bust of them in the hall of fame.

Well, that's the perfect pick for, you know, the thing is everybody knows it's bunk because half of these guys don't pan out.

Right.

I could only take Mel for a while.

I switched it over and listened to the college game day guys on ABC's feed.

And they had Nick Saban on.

And what I like about Nick Saban is he still keeps it pretty real.

And he was basically calling out his own network, Disney, ABC, ESPN.

Like, why are we making such a big deal out of Shakur Sanders?

The guy's going to get picked.

He'll get picked.

What he needs to be quit making this about him.

And I love that about him.

I think that's 100% true.

I think the other thing is I saw a great thing on social media and it was about the Carolina Panthers traded their number one pick

to

take Bryce Young and the Bears traded down.

I'm going to give the Bears a little bit of love here, which I can't believe I'm going to do.

It had what the Bears got in return.

It was like six guys, Caleb Williams, another first round pick.

like the bears absolutely fleeced them.

But if you'd have listened to that draft and I remember doing it, Mel Kuiper and everybody's like, oh, Bryce Young's gonna be, this is a brilliant move, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

The truth of the matter is I read this study one time, because sometimes I delve into like academic.

stuff.

Some academics published a paper about draft picks.

Do you know what the best strategy is for the NFL draft?

Trade down and get as many picks as possible,

because

if you don't have one of the top three picks, it's all pretty much random chance over time.

Wow, interesting.

The

more

opportunities you have, the better off you're going to be.

I just kept thinking about if you're Brett Farr of down to retirement, Mississippi, or if you're Aaron Rodgers, Ohio OASCA ceremony in South America, you're thinking, why didn't they pick receivers when I was the quarterback?

Yes, in the dark.

Right?

Yeah, they had they hadn't taken one since Yvonne Walker who they took when when they had farf

Yeah,

by the way, did I tell you I went to kill in Mississippi?

Oh, look, I and I just see that on our Facebook.

No, I did not kill.

Did you go see farf?

Yes, we did.

Oh my

gosh Well, we didn't see farf,

but

we got our picture taken in front of this bar.

It killed Mississippi.

It's like going to Beldenville Seriously, it's Beldenville on the on the Delta, you know, Beldenville.

You ever been to Beldenville?

I don't think I have no.

No, have you ever been to Beldenville?

Beldenville.

It's just it's between Ellsworth and.

No.

Yeah, Beldenville.

It's between Ellsworth and Prescott.

It's like, yeah.

I mean, the

harcers, the harcers are from Beldenville.

Anyway, I mean, there's a million sounds like that in Wisconsin, unincorporated, whatever.

But honestly, Kiln, we stopped there.

We had just a fantastic burger.

We went to the bar and yeah.

Wow,

they

all knew the barf.

They were like, oh, you guys are Packer fans.

We get them all the time.

No big deal.

All right.

It's 13 past the hour of three o'clock.

Time once again for what's worse.

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All right, Trigby, timely, timely indeed.

on what's worse today because this is the time of year where people are getting their gardens, they're back outside, and you have things coming out of hibernation.

They're slithering, they're walking around, and I mean, my grandparents were dairy farmers, spent a lot of time in the country growing up.

The category today, what's worse?

Snakes or skunks.

Snakes or skunks.

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Trig V. Olsen, I ask you, snakes or skunks, what's worse?

Okay, so the people at the civic media department who come up with this or that questions or which is worse questions

Very

good on this

one.

It's our own show.

There's no civic department involved.

It's just well

either you

or

I knew that but I was just kidding

Here's the problem with this comparison.

A skunk is a specific kind of animal, mammal, whereas a snake is a name that encompasses many kinds of snakes.

That is very broad.

A rattlesnake, a

copper snake.

It is awfully broad.

That said, like Indiana Jones, I don't like snakes.

Now, if you had snakes or raccoons

or rats.

Why do they have to be snakes?

Zombers is on that.

Nicely done,

Zombers.

Yeah.

Good job, Zombers.

If you were to ask me rats or snakes, I would go with rats.

Really?

And

I would be happy for the snakes, because the snakes keep the rats away.

But if you have snakes, you're probably not going to have a lot of rats or mice, because...

They'll take care of that for you.

So what's worse?

I'm going to go with snakes.

Snakes or rats, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Let's go to the phone lines.

Tom in beautiful McFarland, listening on WMDX.

Tom, snakes or skunks?

What's worse?

Oh, this is a no-brainer for me skunks.

We have two hunting dogs.

One is older and the other one was still not a puppy anymore.

Well, the oldest, they learn really quick about how bad skunks are.

They learn the hard way.

That is just a pain for a dog owner.

That is just a pain.

The youngest puppy though, they're out in the field and doing their thing.

And the puppy runs into a skunk.

And the older dog, he just hightails it out of there.

And the skunk and the other puppy is wondering, I wonder why my brother left, and then bam, that dang.

Definitely

skunk, wingward.

I feel that, Tom.

Thank you very much.

I appreciate it.

Yeah, I've known a couple of dogs that got sprayed.

My grandma always said tomato juice.

Yeah, I've heard

that as well

dog the bath double the tomato juice helps take it out What's worse snakes or skunks 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Tony on YouTube says skunks Every time I see a snake it slithers away when I see a skunk it sprained my dog So see Tony had the same problem.

That's you ever have a dog

got sprayed?

Yeah, my dad and I were pheasant hunting and sugar got sprayed and then we had to

riding the back with sugar in the back of the car.

Oh

my

gosh.

You

put sugar in the car.

Well, what were we going to do?

We could go in the

trunk.

We had nowhere to put her.

How long did you get to smell out of

the car?

Long time.

And you should have seen how mad my mom was at my dad.

Holy knuckers.

I mean, you're going to church and you're in your Sunday go to meet and close and you smell like skunk when you walk in church.

Yeah, I can't but wow that I mean I can one of us.

Yeah.

Wow, that's bad Brian in Milwaukee listening on the UK says snakes are worse the Skunks you can easily see the snakes can hide in the grass and scare the daylights out of you and strike bite in the butt

Alright, thank you Brian Matt