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“When The Worst Of Times Bring Out The Best In People” (Hour 2)
The Todd Allbaugh Show · Wed Apr 2, 2025
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Good afternoon, everybody.
I'm Todd Albaugh, along with fantastic Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board.
It is six past the hour of 1 o'clock.
Welcome into hour number two of the big program here on a Wednesday, April 2nd, 2025.
It is a great day to be Wisconsinite, and it is pump day.
That's right.
We've made it halfway through the week, folks.
The day after the Wisconsin general spring election, which found Judge Susan Crawford beating Judge Brad Schimmel, 55% to 45% found Superintendent of Public Instruction incumbent Dr. Jill Underly beating Brittany Kinzer, 52.9 to 47.1%.
and found the voter ID requirement, which is already law, passed 62.8 to 37.2 percent.
Last to get to in a short time to get there at the bottom of the hour, John Roach.
We call him a Renaissance man.
He is a great filmmaker, brand new film called A Road at Night, the story of Howard Moore, longtime Wisconsin Badger basketball player and coach.
It'll be showing at the Barrymore Theater here in Madison on Sunday at 7 p.m.
as part of the Wisconsin Film Festival.
He's gonna be here, Roche is talking about that.
We also have a little trivia to do, a trivia text to win contest, your chance to win Milwaukee Brewer's tickets this hour, and also what's
and a little bonus time with our friend, Trigvie Olson, Senior Advisor at the Lincoln Project, because Trigvie, what are we waiting for?
What's worse?
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Trigby and I know better than anybody else.
Trigby's had more wins than I have.
But inevitably after a loss, people are salty.
Some people on your own team.
And people sometimes can be aggressive or they can be passive aggressive.
So today is what's worse, passive aggressive or aggressive.
What's worse passive aggressive or aggressive 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 what's worse passive aggressive or aggressive 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 or you can text us on the civic media app Trigby Olson passive aggressive or aggressive aggressive what's worse
People listening up BCH, you might have some Minnesotans
is
hundred percent Tom Tom and LA aggressive If you know where people stand passive aggressive is horrible.
Yes,
really 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 let's go to Karina in Milwaukee listening at WAUK Karina passive aggressive or aggressive.
What's worse?
Fast progressive, you know, like Russian people, we're just aggressive.
It's easy to deal with them.
You tell us what to do.
We tell you yes or no.
And it's simple.
When the people are passive aggressive, I think they're more lying than they want something to achieve.
They're more self-centered, manipulative, and kind of like a whistle.
Because if you are in the relationship with me, in any friendship relationship, if we have a conversation and you are passive-aggressive with me, I don't need that conversation at all because you're just trying to do something I don't even know.
I think that is so well said.
I appreciate people who are straightforward.
I really do.
Well done, Karina.
Trigme, what do you think about that?
I agree with that 100%.
And you've known people in Russians and people from that part of the world.
I think Americans may be the most passive-aggressive people out there.
Agree or disagree?
Do your travels?
No, you're a European.
Really?
Any particular country?
All right.
Well, that's very interesting.
What's worse, aggressive or passive-aggressive?
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Well, you got your, we appreciate you sticking around this extra time this week.
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But this is what's worse.
No, I do like talking to you about politics.
I do.
I'm just saying I like this game though.
All right.
Well, I appreciate it.
Are you sticking around?
I'm still put off by the rock set to come in.
No, I got to go.
All right.
Thanks, Trigby.
Have
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Other Side by Trigby.
And John Roach after The Power of the Hours.
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Glad to have you along on a Wednesday after the bottom of the hour.
One of my all-time favorite people to have on this show, John Roach, Renaissance man, University of Wisconsin, Madison graduate.
You could talk to this guy about anything.
And what I'm really happy to talk today about with him is his new film called A Night
Pardon me a road at night to be shown at the Barrymore Theater this weekend at 7 p.m.
On Sunday as part of the Wisconsin Film Festival gonna talk to Roach after the bottom of the hour So stay tuned for that right now talking about what's worse Well a couple things number one if you want some Brewer tickets We're giving away a pair on the walkie Brewer tickets to a future game and the club level seats fantastic seats by the way
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Passive aggressive or aggressive?
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John Jed Jorn, great name, is watching on YouTube, says, aggressive sucks, but those people are typically consistent.
Passive aggressive is people you are on guard with constantly.
I think that's well said, Zomers.
I mean, people who are always passive aggressive, I don't know if you really trust them that much, right?
Maybe part of the reason it's past tense was.
move.
Aggressive or
I definitely agree with passive aggressive like everyone else is saying with aggressive You can just say all right.
You're mad right now.
We'll get to this later and you know where you stand With passive aggressive there are people who were passive aggressive to me like once in middle school or high school that I'm still a little like there's a little I'm a little bit bitter against them really because my only impression of them is Wow, I just talked to you and like said hello, and you were just a jerk.
Okay.
Goodbye.
Right, right,
right
No, I agree.
Um, this isn't a hard one for me at all.
It's passive aggressive is worse because I think to your point to other people's Kareena's, uh, you don't really know how to deal with those people always.
And they're never really being 100% upfront with you.
And I would rather have someone just, I guess, yell at me or like, I know what I stand with people who are aggressive.
And if it gets too aggressive, I guess I can just walk away.
But the passive-aggressive stuff is just like, all right, come on.
And not to say that I've, you know, to be fair, to be honest, I'm not going to say I've never been passive-aggressive.
But I don't know.
You know me pretty well by now.
It's not really my style, is it?
Well, that's true too.
Tony watch on YouTube says unless they are physically aggressive, then you can't really walk away from the situation.
That's a good point.
That's a whole other kettle of fish, right?
No, I'm not.
We're not talking about, you know, violent physical violence here.
Whereas I guess aggressive, meaning like people who are just yellers or verbal yellers or I guess really aren't physically yellers.
People yell or people who are aggressive, like, I need an answer.
I need an answer, like, today.
Like, you know, get your stuff
that from Star Wars?
Darth Sidious?
That is, yeah.
Not insidious, but darsidious.
855-752-4842.
What's worse, passive aggressive or aggressive.
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You can also text us on the Civic Media app.
Have a YouTube viewer here.
I apologize.
If I try to pronounce your name, I'm afraid I'm gonna mess it up.
It starts with X says, passive aggressive folks think they can still be friends after treating you poorly.
I think Jizu is how I would imagine that says.
Oh, I bet that's a cool name.
Zizu.
I hope that's right.
Yeah, I agree is that sometimes passive aggressive, you know, people are always passive aggressive.
They think that they could just move on like.
Oh, yeah.
Cheezoo.
All right, Cheezoo.
Very good.
Appreciate that.
That's a great point.
Do they think they can be nice one moment and passive-aggressive the next and it won't affect your opinion of them?
Great point.
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A couple minutes left in this one.
Asking you the question, what's worse?
Passive-aggressive or aggressive?
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for two.
Really excited, by the way, for John Roach to be here.
Been a while since he's been on the program.
And I've said this before the show that get your favorite beverage.
I don't know why, but to be honest, I've never had a Scotch with John.
I've had a beer with John Roach, but never a Scotch.
But to me, John Roach is one of those guys that you just you sit next to a fire with a with a little bit of Scotch or brandy or whatever you're drinking and you just listen.
Because his voice is just amazing and the way he tells stories Not only is a great writer not only is a great filmmaker But it's just it warms your soul and he's talking about a great new project called a road at night Very very important film and he's gonna be here in just a couple of minutes 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 what's worse?
A couple of minutes left.
Gonna try to sneak it in very quickly.
Let's go to the phone lines and go to Milwaukee Betsy in Milwaukee Betsy aggressive or passive aggressive.
What's worse?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well said.
I totally agree.
Not taking responsibility for actions.
All right.
Stay tuned.
Come on back.
A great conversation with John Roach about a very important film and talk about Wisconsin Film Festival.
you're listening to the Civic Media Ready
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truth wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.
Welcome back to Taddleball Show on the Cinec Media Rating Network.
34 minutes now past the hour of what a clock.
Glad to have you along on a Wednesday, April 2nd, 2025.
My next guest is somebody who I enjoy not talking to so much as just listening to.
Mentally, I call him a Renaissance man.
He is a writer.
He is a director, a producer, all around great guy, an alum of the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
with a voice as smooth as butter.
John Roach joins us from his home here in Madison.
He has a great new documentary out called A Road at Night.
You can see it this weekend as part of the Wisconsin Film Festival at the Barrymore Theater in Madison at 7 p.m.
on Sunday.
Tickets are going quickly, but they are still available.
If you want yours, go to wifilmfest.org.
filmfest.org.
Be like me.
I've already got mine.
Looking forward to it and Zomers will put that up on our show notes as well.
John Roach, thanks for being here.
Well, likewise, and just because you're a real guy, you know a lot of people, you've done it all in the media and entertainment industry.
But you're the quintessential Wisconsin guy, just because you're so well grounded, in my opinion.
And you remind me.
I am a
I know you are.
Yes.
And you remind me so much of somebody that we know mutually, and that is Bo Ryan, former Plattville, Milwaukee, and Wisconsin Madison head coach of basketball there.
And, you know, I got to know Bo pretty well over about three and a half years when I covered him.
And he was immensely, you know, immensely popular and important in the basketball world, but you sat at a bar and he had a drink with him or you were riding on a bus.
And he was just as common as anybody else.
He'd be at the grocery store anywhere in Wisconsin.
That could be.
Go ahead.
Well, no, go ahead you go.
I would I was gonna say let's get right into it because This is a very power.
We you've been on the show once before you kind of alluded to this this very important film and now it's finally coming out It's part of the Wisconsin film festival as we said this weekend 7 p.m.
On Sunday the bear more very more people could come see it called a road at night and for those that might not have heard a previous show
Explain to folks what the premise of this documentary is and how what inspired you to take this up as a subject in your work.
So it's a documentary based on real life events.
that and it was an event that happened to the Howard Moore family.
Howard, Jen, Jayton, and Jarrell were on their way.
Howard was a former University of Wisconsin basketball player and actively a UW coach when the event occurred in May of 2019.
They got a little break, which is rare for college assistant coaches.
You know, they have just a few brief windows during the year where they can grab some family time and they got in their van, excuse me, SUV and went down to Chicago, visited Howard's parents, Howard Sr.
and Trenas.
And then instead of staying the night in Chicago, they thought they'd drive leaving it around midnight and get to Detroit about three-ish.
because they didn't want to mess with traffic in Chicago and Detroit, which is not an uncommon thing.
But somewhere just outside of Ann Arbor at about 2.30 in the morning, the more SUV was hit head on by a drunk driver going the wrong way on what was effectively an interstate highway.
And most Madison folks, Wisconsin folks know that Jen and Jayden were both killed.
Howard was severely burned and then had subsequent additional complications and is physically compromised now.
And this is the story about what happened that night, how it happened.
It's a story not just of the Moors, but three young women who went out for the evening with seemingly innocent motives, but unfortunately failed to make
one good decision when they had multiple chances to do that during the evening.
And unfortunately, the Moors played the price for that.
It's a tough topic, but it's also a piece that has a lot of love, a lot of compassion, forgiveness, no small amount of hope.
I've said all along, one of the taglines we use when I wrote the treatment for it originally was when the worst of times bring out the best in people.
And it really has been, I've been a witness to that and it's absolutely remarkable.
The bonds of teammates, Howard's teammates came from all over the country after the accident happened.
They were somewhere in the hospital, we're in the hospital with an hour after the accident.
And also, I just keep bringing up this quote from James Baldwin that really hit me right between the eyes as I was researching the doc.
And there was a lot of research into it, because there was a lot that was unknown about what occurred.
But the James Baldwin quote is, life is tragic and therefore unutterably beautiful.
the Moore family, even though life is still challenging, they've had a remarkable number of beautiful moments as the community tries to express its concern and compassion for the Moors in the wake of this event.
You're a Badger alum, John Roach.
I am.
And you know, Coach Ryan very well, you're involved or not involved, but you know these folks, that realm, what led you as a filmmaker to say,
This is something I want to do as a creator.
Well, it's because of my two friends, Tim Valentine and George Hamill.
The crash happened in May of 2019.
And in less than a year, COVID hit the world.
And it sucked all the oxygen out of the room.
And Howard couldn't go anywhere.
He was completely isolated given his condition.
And as COVID left the room, Tim
and George, who attend the Badger football games together.
They were talking, and George said, and Tim Valentine, who is an attorney and is an agent, he represents, represented Bo Ryan, he represents Greg Guard, represented Jimmy Leonard, Paul Christ, any number of Wisconsin coaches and players who went on to play in the NFL.
And George said to Tim, knowing that he was doing all this pro bono work for the Moors, because it's a very complicated thing when an accident of this kind happens, George said, how is Howard doing?
And everyone, Todd was asking that question.
And there was some mystery as to what his condition was.
And Tim told George how Howard was doing, and it's tough.
And George, as I've said, described him the most affable force of nature I've ever met.
He's a very generous man.
He's done very well.
He gave the founding donation for the new School of Music on campus.
He and his wife, Pamela, are incredibly generous.
And so George said, we have to do something.
What should we do?
And then Tim and George both agreed they should call me.
And when I heard about it, they just wanted
people to know what was going on with Howard.
And I said, look, you guys, I don't think this is a three-minute piece.
This is a very tough, complicated story.
I think it's more of a doc.
And as the vast majority of the funds generated by the documentary will go to the Moors, I was quick to note that the big streamers
love documentaries and sports documentaries even more.
The big streamers gobble up content voraciously.
And I said, this is a documentary that they would look at that they would consider.
And those rights fees by the vast majority of them would accrue to the more family trust.
So.
And if nothing else, publicize what's going on and let people know where they can go to help the Mores out, which is domore434.com.
And so that's why I took it on.
And then honestly, Todd, there was a lot of journalistic legwork to be done when we took it on.
Not much was known about the actual accident.
Not much was known about the young woman who hit them, who also perished in the crash.
After we began the documentary, you found out there was a lawsuit against Mercedes-Benz.
No mean feat.
I said, oh, well, great, because Germans make great villains.
Sorry,
do anything to upset that Alplicard.
But there was just a lot that was unknown.
And then we interviewed Howard's teammates, Michael Finley, Tracy Webster, Andy Kilbride, Rashard Griffin, Chris Conger.
And then we interviewed Bo Ryan, Stu Jackson, Greg Gard, Barry Alvarez.
and then both more family relatives and also relatives of Jennifer Moore,
who
She graduated from the University of Wisconsin School of Engineering, a woman of color in the School of Engineering in the early 90s.
She was a Rara Abbas, just a beautiful, energetic, lovely woman.
And we interviewed her mother in Detroit.
It was a tough one.
But we also interviewed a lot of the players who were on teams for Wisconsin that Howard was an assistant coach for.
So Frank Kaminsky, Nigel Hayes, John Lohr, and also some guys at the end of the bench, you know, Brett Valentine and Danny Fahey, because
Howard spent a lot of time on the bench as an athlete at Wisconsin.
He did not have a ton of playing minutes.
But as Stan Van Gundy says in the documentary, Howard could be the best teammate I've ever seen.
Wow.
And pretty much everyone said that.
And here's the thing, Todd.
We interviewed all of Howard's teammates in the balcony of the field house.
They played in the field house.
They
And that place is incredibly evocative for me as a townie who grew up going to watch a game.
I saw Pat Richter play basketball there.
That's how old I am.
And it was emotionally powerful for the guys too.
I mean, everyone struggled at one point or another in their interviews, Matt LePay and others.
But, you know,
Howard had a great effect on the young athletes he coached as well.
And he was on to Frank Kaminsky before anyone, which is no, which is that's some serious bragging rights.
There really is.
And so we tell the story, but honestly, it's not a basketball documentary.
It's
drinking.
I'm looking forward to it because I love your work.
Everything you do, it's so well done.
And I know you don't do anything half-assed.
You're either gonna do it really well or you're not gonna do it at all.
So I'm just looking forward.
And I'll just tell, because I'm, you know, I believe in being transparent on this show.
John was very kind and sent me a link so I could watch this before this interview if I wanted to, which he didn't do to very many people.
And a combination of two things.
A, I was preparing for the election coverage last night, but to be 100% honest,
I tangentially know some of the people in this and I was afraid of my, I'm not afraid of my reaction, but I was like, I really have to make time to sit down and really watch this.
I can't do it casually.
So I had already bought in tickets anyway to go on Sunday, but about a minute here before you go to break or to come back and play the trailer, John, but you say, don't be afraid of this movie.
It's life affirming.
There's
plenty of hope and inspiration and courage and compassion and forgiveness.
You know, you find out who people are when they're tested.
And it's very interesting to me, doing the documentary, how all of these people reacted to the events, including the Moore family, including Howard's mother and father and Howard's brother Darnell and Vera Barn, Jennifer's mother.
There is wisdom and
There
is beauty.
Yeah.
Filmmaker John Roach is our guest.
His new film documentary called A Road At Night.
It is the Barrymore Theater this weekend at 7 p.m.
Come back and play a trailer, chat more.
John, the all-ball show on the Civic Media Ready
back to the time I'll show on the cynic media or network nine before the hour of two o'clock at the top of the hour ABC or CPS news depending upon which of our great stations you're listening to all across the state of Wisconsin the weather update our great sports reporter Mike Clemens with the sports update and then Maggie Dawn and the Maggie Dawn show every afternoon from two until four right now our guest is filmmaker writer director producer Badger alum
I do call him a Renaissance man and honestly God, I don't say that about very many people because this is just a guy who can do it all and I love listening to him.
John Roach is our guest this half hour his new documentary called A Road at Night.
It will be at the Barrymore Theater this Sunday at 7 p.m.
As part of the Wisconsin Film Festival.
Still a few tickets remain.
Please do as I did.
Get yours and join me this Sunday.
You can do that by going to wifilmfest.org.
Wifilmfest.org.
Zomers will have all that in our show notes as well as the foundation that this is benefiting overall, which is for Howard Moore.
John.
I want to play the trailer to this film to give people a sense of this if you will allow us anything you want to say to set it up before we play this.
No.
All
All right.
Here we are.
The trailer for a road at night at the Barrymore Theater in Madison this Sunday at 7 p.m.
Athletic, energetic, charismatic.
Howard was the high flying, high stepping guy.
It's infectious.
Howard Morrow, the crowd pleaser.
They do like him
what's your emergency?
All he remembers seeing was headlights right in his face.
About two o'clock in the morning or something like that, we get a call.
I hope no one ever received a call like there's like a knife just piercing down in my soul.
Those who know the Moore family are devastated.
Here I am just heartbroken for him and you could still feel like the positive energy coming off the
get.
And I just hugged him.
The only way I knew how to handle that at that time
What's it just to be there for my brother?
I get really, you know, angry and emotional about how this incredible person has been dealt this s***
hand.
You can recover from losing a job, or you can recover from losing money, but you ain't gonna recover from losing your faith now.
The documentary is called A Road at Night by John Roach.
at the Barry Moore Theater this Sunday at 7 p.m.
as part of the Wisconsin Film Festival.
Third time I've watched that and same result every time John Roach.
I remember the day that I first heard about this because very close friends of mine, their children went to school with the Moore's kids.
And
My daughter was at a children's soccer game and all of a sudden
She heard another family.
They had a blanket set out.
They had snacks and the mandatory apple juice.
And all of a sudden, the woman let out a cry and bundled up everything in the blanket and just took off to her car because she was friends with Jennifer Moore.
And she had just gotten the work.
And there were so many households where that happened around Madison.
I got to say, to some extent, I had to view the topic objectively.
And I came away with such respect for the Wisconsin local Madison community, the athletic community.
These are a lot of good people.
And they all tried to do something, tried to help in any way.
And the Moore said, for months after the accident, there were people coming in the neighborhood that they did not know bringing over food.
So it's just, as I said, it's when the worst of times bring up the best in people.
And it is a very tough topic.
And look, life is tough.
Not every story has a happy ending.
But in the midst of all of that, there are just remarkably beautiful things.
And I do, my wife said, honey, some people are gonna have, they can't bring themselves to watch it.
And I said, well, I understand that.
But then she watched it.
She said, well, yeah, there is a lot of beautiful stuff.
And there's hope.
And that's
it.
That's it, John.
I want to say this on the audio side for those listening on radio.
It's on the stream right now.
The foundation to help Howard Moore and his son do more for 34.com.
Do more M O O R E for F O R the number.
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and and and what I love about this we had about what two minutes left to your summers one minute one minute quick uh John yes or no parts of this film the whole part this is Wisconsin basketball I don't mean to make about sports but this is the if you want to know what you know the song if you want to be a badger this is what being a badger is about is it not it is
John, I'm so proud of you.
I'm proud to call you a friend.
You're a great person, a great filmmaker, a great storyteller.
And that's why I love about your work.
Thank you so much for being here today.
Looking forward to it.
Tickets are at wifilmfest.org, a road at night.
Thank you, John.
I appreciate you.
Stay tuned for Maggie Dawn.
Also, thanks to Trigvie Olsen and Dale Schultz.
Whatever you're fighting for, whatever you believe in, do not give up.
This film is proof of that.
We'll see you tomorrow.
Keep begging your drum.