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afternoon everybody I'm Tom along with our producer and engineer the fantastic Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board it is six past the hour of 12 noon on this Wednesday March 19th 2025 it is a great day to be Wisconsinite and it is pump day there you go we have reached the middle of the week mr. Zommers overcast skies precipitation coming down here in downtown Madison at the world headquarters and so far Zommers

Only in the form of snow.

There we are a little look outside.

The street came nicely done.

The the pavement is wet.

We see a couple of bikers there.

Get a little damp as well.

But use your umbrella today if you're going to be in downtown Madison or most of Wisconsin.

As a matter of fact, weather forecast in all seriousness, it's going to get a little dicey for particular people in the Chippewa Valley area down to the cross.

Those areas could see.

maybe six inches of snow before it's all said and done tomorrow morning.

And then also south of Madison towards kind of between Madison and say Waukesha area, those places could pick up maybe four to six inches of snow as well in between lesser amounts.

But there's going to be this transition about an hour ago or maybe two hours ago, thunderstorms moved through the Madison area here in south central Wisconsin.

As a matter of fact, reports that an apartment

on the far west side of Madison was struck by lightning.

Madison firefighters were there quickly and it appears by pictures I've seen online, maybe to the one unit where the lightning struck right above the roof, but otherwise firefighters were able to put it out quickly and no major damage to the entire structure there.

So we're gonna see thunderstorms today in parts of Wisconsin and then slush ice and then snow by tomorrow morning.

In other words, welcome to spring in Wisconsin on this March 19th.

But if you have travel plans for a later today into tomorrow, might want to rethink them or allow some extra time as as roads will get dicey across the state of Wisconsin.

Keep it tuned here.

Our Civic Media Weather Team will keep us apprised of changing weather conditions as we head through the next 24 hours or so.

Dave in New Berlin, check it in.

Toddster.

Good afternoon, sir.

Well, Dave Stur.

Good afternoon to you in beautiful New Berlin.

How are you this afternoon, Mr. Sommers?

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You know, it's a little rainy.

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He is beyond priceless to us.

He joins us every Wednesday from our nation's capital, a former Republican like myself, a River Falls native, and now a senior advisor at the Lincoln Project.

Mr. Trigvie Olsen joins us on a Wednesday.

Trigvie, how the heck are you?

Where's Pat?

Well, I was getting to that.

He's had it with you, quite frankly.

After

all

the insults of his age, he has said, I'm out of here.

I'm gone.

No, no, he, so for people that regularly listen to this show,

Up North News Radio is a separate entity than Civic.

It airs on Civic, and we consider Pat a part of the Civic Media team, but it's actually produced by the Courier News Service.

And so now, apparently, the Courier News folks have decided on a weekly meeting at noon on Wednesdays.

So he's going to see how it goes, and he may be able to join us for the end of the show at 10 till every Wednesday.

And so that'd be a nice way to wrap it up with a Pat quite low happy ending.

So we'll see.

We'll see what happens.

But if it doesn't work out then, then he may have to change days.

We

don't know.

If Pat's moving, I'm moving

too.

Oh, see, Crite Low is going to mess up our

whole week

now.

No.

He said he said he goes.

But I

miss Pat.

He said it all fairness this morning.

He told me he said I would really miss the banter with Trigme every week.

Know so

well, maybe I'll have to come on what Pat's on.

All right

You're

always welcome.

You're always welcome.

There's a how's the weather

out there?

I'm not always welcome everywhere.

It's nice to be welcomed somewhere.

You're always like this is like the cheers bar, and I'm norm That's pretty good.

That's pretty good.

Um, how's your week been drink me?

My week has been pretty good.

Yeah, it's allergies season.

Oh, you know, I never had to allergies until I moved to DC and and the cherry blossoms come out and trig V starts to

not and and that's happening earlier right it's happening earlier

earlier now with climate change and all that sort of thing so

all that takes is like 270 degree days treat me sick as a dog for like well thank you for the other for putting for drinking the electrolytes and

coming on we always

appreciate it we don't have those in wisconsin i say that to people all the time i never had allergies in wisconsin

Glad

to hear

it.

Lots

to banter around today, Trig V. Well, do you do NCAA brackets?

Are you a bracket guy during this time of year?

I know absolutely nothing about it.

Really?

College basketball.

As much of a football fan as you are.

You and Zamas are alike in this.

What I do know about college basketball infuriates me.

I know.

He doesn't like the whole region

of things.

I could care less.

I have filled out my bracket here.

I will divulge later in the show.

Well, I'm already regretting some of my picks, but anyway, they're locked in now.

They

started playing.

Did they start

the first

four though?

The first there was a couple of games for the first four last night and there are a couple more today and then tomorrow the entire tournament gets underway the Wisconsin Badgers speaking of play tomorrow in Denver in their first round game against the

Montana Grizzlies.

The pregame show will start around 11 30 with the tip off around 12 30 the afternoon.

Glad you're on today, Trigby, because I imagine our listenership will be very, very low tomorrow.

In fact, I'm not sure if I'll be listening.

But

it happens.

Did you see this thing that I did hear this when I was coming home from hockey at ESPN on that the governor of West Virginia is suing the NCAA

over

them not getting in and North Carolina getting in.

Yeah, that's true.

And the head of the selection committee or something is the president of the University of North Carolina.

Yes.

They didn't belong in.

Well, I mean, that was the argument, I think, before everything started.

But they played last night and won these first four games against San Diego State.

And I watched the first half of it before I passed out.

My chair went to bed.

But San Diego State lost to North Carolina by almost 30 points last night.

So North Carolina, North Carolina pounded him.

It wasn't it wasn't even close.

So.

I'm not sure.

Maybe North Carolina does deserve to get in.

But yeah, that's true.

West Virginia, very salty about not getting in.

Oh, yeah.

And apparently that guy sued when he was attorney general, the NCAA and won really like there's a whole history there.

I did not know that.

All right.

Phone lines are already lighting up for Trigme.

We always appreciate that.

855-752-4842.

Go to the Northwoods and Ollie in the Northwoods.

Ollie, first of all, before you get to your question, do you have snow up there in the Northwoods yet?

Oh, not yet.

It's pretty gloomy looking, but so far no snow and I've got my fingers and toes crossed there won't be.

All right.

Very good.

Very good.

What would you have for us to say, Ollie?

Well, mine's kind of a

little lengthy because your slogan is pursuing the truth wherever it may lead I would like to suggest a new segment for your program called is it the truth where people could call in and find out if things that they've heard over the radio and here and there is actually the truth and my question today is is it the truth is for trig B

I heard that Elon Musk was installing Starlink in the White House, and I'd like to know if this is the truth, because then he will have link to all the information coming and going from the White House.

That's a great suggestion for a segment.

I really appreciate that, Ollie.

We'll take a look at that.

B, I do not know the answer to that trick.

B, do you know a real answer to that?

The New York Times says that that is in fact happening.

So if the New York Times is reporting that that's happening, I would say it is probably happening.

Yes.

All right.

Well, there you go.

According to the New York Times, Ali, that is the truth.

So Starlink is apparently according to New York Times, now linked up to the White House, which a tragedy goes to, we saw this in Trump first term, where he refused to give up his personal cell phone.

and take a secret service phone.

You've had more experience at this at higher levels than I ever have.

But to protect national security, to protect the president, him or herself, in Pamela's George W. Bush or Barack Obama, they have given up their personal cell phone and used a government-issued cell phone through the secret service simply to protect national security.

Is that not the truth?

Yeah, so...

Yes, I believe that's the case.

So it's interesting here what I just read in that New York Times piece is that this is not something that went through the normal process, though, at all.

Right.

Basically, some guy who works for Doge who also works for Elon Musk, Starling company, went up on the roof of the Eisenhower office building and started installing stuff.

We

triggered

arms.

That's nuts.

Okay, yep.

It is true, but there is circumstance.

It's always about circumstance.

I would guess this raises all kinds of national security questions.

There's a lot of national security questions these days.

Probably.

part of it.

Yeah, there's good reason why there's typically a process for this stuff.

Yeah.

And like I said, we saw this in the first term where Trump was just talking on everyday cell phone that any of us would get from Verizon or anyplace else with no kind of security blocks in it.

And now we have Starlink that is linked up apparently directly to the old White House with no security.

Yeah, I mean it gets I mean the bigger thing for people who are listening as you know Todd I've spent a lot of time around the world working in various places There are I think most people get that there are people that are nefarious and want to do harm to the United States of America or take what we have and

The reality is that a lot of these processes, some of them might seem ridiculous, but most of them, and sometimes when you're inside, they seem really ridiculous.

But the truth of the matter is, is that they're set up for good reasons, which is ultimately to protect the people in the United States.

And so these guys sort of, they're either really naive or they're just playing dumb.

Speaking of dumb ideas, we'll talk about Brad

Schimmel and the U.S.

of the Wisconsin State Supreme Court race.

New news via the Milwaukee Journal of Sentinel.

We'll discuss that more with Trig Vilsen.

The link can project your phone calls as well.

This is the Todd Allball Show and you're listening to the Civic Media, Ready Network.

Welcome back to the Taliban show on the civic media radio network on this Wednesday March 19th 2025 21 now past the hour of 12 noon Trigby Olson senior advisor Lincoln project joins us today to Discuss issues statewide nationwide and worldwide as always on a Wednesday always appreciate him stopping by Trigby I want to get to this story in part.

We are now less than two weeks away

from the general election here in Wisconsin, the spring general election happening on April 1st.

That's right, folks, no fooling.

April 1st, polls open that day at 7 a.m., open until 8 p.m., but remember early voting, in-person early voting is on now.

And so if you'd like to be an early voter, you can contact your local clerk or go into your local clerk's office and cast a ballot in person.

You can check out where your polling place is, or where you're registered, or if you're registered by going to myvotewi.org, myvote.

No, myvote.wi.gov.

Oh, geez.

Sorry.

Thank you.

Thank you, Zomers.

Myvote.wi.gov is a gov, or government.

Thank you, Zomers.

My vote.

You can check your registration there.

As we say, be a voter, have a plan to vote in this very important spring election.

So the Milwaukee drill said no this morning, Trig V, story by Allison Durr, headline two weeks before Wisconsin Supreme Court election, Schimmel raises Milwaukee vote counting trope.

I'm gonna read you a couple of paragraphs that we're gonna get trivia's take.

It says, two weeks before election day, Wisconsin Supreme Court candidate Brad Schimmel on a conservative radio show raised the specter of quote, bags of ballots, unquote, and the potential of fraud, his word, in Milwaukee elections.

Despite the well-documented reason, the city's absentee ballots are routinely reported late into the night after polls close.

Schimel said, quote, that's what we need to do.

Get our votes banked.

Make this too big to rig so we don't have to worry about that in 1130 in Milwaukee.

We're going to find bags of ballots that they forgot to put into the machines like they did in 2018 or in 2024 when U.S.

Senate candidate Eric Hovde was ahead all night and then all of a sudden Milwaukee County changed that.

unquote, Schimel said on another station in Milwaukee.

He said, I don't know what happened.

I don't know if there was fraud there.

There is no way for me to know all that.

All I know is we need to turn our votes out.

That's the best insulation we have against any potential fraud is to just get our people to the polls, unquote, according to Schimel.

Just after midnight on 2018, more than 47,000 absentee ballots from Milwaukee were added to the statewide total.

giving Democrat Tony Evers his first solid lead in the race for governor against the incumbent Scott Walker.

Evers eventually won, though the time this day reported his absentee ballots prompted criticism from the Republicans, including Walker.

In the same race, Schibble lost his bid for a second term in the Republican attorney general's race.

And it goes on from there.

But Trigvie, I want to get to the facts in this.

And the facts is in Wisconsin, unlike other states, and there's been legislation to try to change this,

My former boss, Scott Kluge, on this program has called for the Republican legislature to change this, which is in Wisconsin, local clerks are not allowed to open up absentee ballots and count them prior to the polls closing at 8pm.

And so it takes a long time.

Milwaukee happens to be the largest city in a municipality in the state.

They have to do all this after it, after it happens.

And then they report it as soon as it happens.

So there was also an audit here recently of the last election.

We've gone through the 2020 election audit.

There has been no evidence whatsoever that there was any major voting fraud in Wisconsin that would have changed the outcome of any election.

No, I mean it's really disingenuous for him to be saying that he knows all of that it it's it's I mean as you were as you were reading what he was saying I was thinking this is a little bit like when there was the bipartisan immigration compromise and it got whacked because they wanted to have the issue right like they know full well why The ballots the absentee ballots come in late in Milwaukee County

They all know that.

But they want to be able to go on and with this narrative that if they win, you hear him talking about Eric Hubdy.

Eric Hubdy lost because he had an undervote from Donald Trump's.

But you don't hear him saying, well, Donald Trump, we're not sure.

He knows that.

He knows that.

And the reality is he's using that.

because he wants to have an issue to rile people up.

And if he loses, it's not because his ideas were worse.

It's because the other side cheated.

But if he wins, oh, by the way, it's because our ideas are great.

It's really disingenuous.

It's shameful, really, because it goes at the heart of undermining what our democracy is really about.

But to be honest, I don't think...

People like Brad Schimmel, as a person, he's just a guy who wants to be.

It's not about doing anything.

He just wants to be somebody.

And I bet wherever it was, where did he go to high school again?

It was like, we had that.

Wherever he went, if we had people who've been Schimmel his whole life who speak honestly, they'd say, he's the guy that you go to high school with who was campaigning to be most likely to succeed.

We wanted that in the yearbook.

I mean, he's the guy who went to Badger Boys State and was running for attorney general.

Oh, no, wait, that's Scott Walker.

He was running for the other guy.

The other guy.

They're pretty much the same guy, actually, if you want to know the truth at the end of the day.

Cut from the same cloth.

And to be honest, they're the guys who think that this, and here's the sad part, the people he's talking to on those talk radio shows, he actually thinks they're idiots.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

He thinks he's smarter than them.

He thinks he's more clever than they are because they're all buying his BS.

100%.

Oh, Brad Schimmel, right?

That's what

BS.

I think you nailed it there, Trigvie.

And we got about a minute here before the break in with Pam Yankee and the Ag report.

But when we come back, I want you to pick up on something that you said there, which is they're doing this to gin up and turn out their base in the Supreme Court election.

And a guy that you know very well, Joe Handrick, a former legislator, a Republican legislator, who's known as a numbers guy.

And he published something this week.

And I want you to talk about this because you had a lot of experience about this as well.

and it's a little contradictory to what people may think in that in past elections people have said well if there's a high turnout that helps democrats.

Joe Handrick is suggesting that a high turnout in this election for supreme court may in fact help republicans especially in western wisconsin where it could make the difference and on the other side will tell you why

and get Trigly's take.

Don't go anywhere.

Agricultural update right now with Pam Yankee, whether it's sports, we're back after this.

It's the all they'll show in the Civic Media Ready Network.

Authoritarians in Eastern Europe, or our former party here in Wisconsin, or just that fellow hockey player that ticks him off.

Trigby Olson, never afraid to go it alone.

Always here with us on Wednesday afternoons.

Always appreciate that.

Senior advisor now at the Lincoln Project.

Trigby, thanks for being here before the break.

Talking about this Wisconsin Supreme Court race coming up on April 1st.

The conservative candidate, or at least that's what he calls himself, Brad Schimmel, raising this trope, as they say in the Milwaukee Journal sent out today, about elections in Wisconsin.

Say, where did all these ballots come from in Milwaukee after midnight?

Well, it's because the Republican legislature won't change the law to allow local clerks to begin

processing ballots, absentee ballots, before election closes, like in most other states.

And so local clerks have to wait to open up and start processing these ballots until the polls close at eight o'clock.

Milwaukee is the largest municipality and that's why it takes time to accurately count these ballots.

And in every audit that has been done,

If you remember last election in 2024, on election day, there was a report that one voting machine in Milwaukee County somewhere, a door wasn't quite what or a latched right.

And Ron Johnson himself, with his cadre of minions, went down to inspect it himself.

And even Ron Johnson came away and said, okay, it was a mistake.

They fixed it really quick and there's no problem here.

But yet Brad Schimmel continues to to put out these lies and the situations and Trigby made the point that part of this is to gin up the bass Trigby

Well, it's all about gin it up the bass, but the truth of the matter is is that as I said before He's playing him for idiots

Because that's the guy, I'm sure that's the guy he is.

I mean, if somebody went to high school with Brad Schimmel call up, was he the, I'm sure that's the guy he was.

We like to know.

We all know that guy.

What

are the guys?

Everybody knows that guy.

Everybody knows a guy like that in their community.

I want to go to another guy that we've known over the years, Joe Handrick, former Republican legislator from Northern Wisconsin.

Joe is not that guy.

No, no, I'm just saying another guy.

No, Joe's not that guy.

No, Joe's not that guy.

Joe's a great guy.

Yeah.

Thank you for

clarifying.

Joe's

the guy you want at the bar in Minakwa having a beer with you.

Right.

There's a piece he wrote for DairylandCentral.com.

entitled how the spring electorate different differences impact conservative candidates voting vote targeting.

Let me say that again and not screw it up.

How the vote electorate differences impact conservative candidates vote targeting.

I'm not going to go into all the nuances here into the weeds.

This is for guys like Trigby and I who, you know, really like to parse this out.

But what Joe did is he divided the state.

And in the western part in his analysis includes what Trigvie and I would call the old third district congressional district from St.

Croix County where Trigvie was born all the way down along the Mississippi River to the Wisconsin Illinois border in Grant County.

And then basically swings to the eastern side Richland center where I was born and then up through Monroe County and including Eau Claire.

And then the northern part of it is roughly highway eight east to west.

Then it goes over to another part of it in northeastern Wisconsin, which is the Green Bay Door County area, central Wisconsin, was on the surrounding areas, south central, which includes Madison down to the Illinois line, southeast Wisconsin, which is kind of not quite rock County, but includes a Kenosha and Racine.

Then you've got Milwaukee County proper and the Wow counties.

And the argument that Joe Hendrick makes, and he looked at Trump numbers, he looked at Brian Hagedore in a course, who is a conservative who is still on the Supreme Court, and he broke down all these numbers.

And I'm gonna skip down to kind of his bottom line analysis and trigger the, I want your take on this.

And again, this is not necessarily my take or my words, but a person who knows the numbers pretty well.

And Joe Hendrick writes this, quote,

For a victory on April 1st, I believe Schimel's numbers will need to be closer to Trump in the west than they are to Hegedorn.

If I'm Schimel, I'm asking how I can attract Trump voters who live in the western tier of counties, particularly those lower propensity Trump voters who voted in November, but typically will not vote in April.

The answer lies in understanding what the issues were that drove Western Wisconsin away from Democrats and toward Trump.

Immigration and boys playing in girl sports.

Painting Crawford is quote unquote soft on crime is a good issue and that he claims it certainly is true but it's that it's that the pardon me but is that the issue that will bring out Trump voters in Vernon County?

which is in far southwestern Wisconsin.

I'm not so sure it is, Hendrick writes, especially considering the Crawford is spending millions claiming Schimel coddles bad guys too.

Trivi Olsen, what's your analysis of that?

I think he's right.

I mean, to a degree.

And here's the thing, like Joe, Joe is the best there is when it comes to Wisconsin numbers and always has been, even when we're kids back.

You know, long ago, Todd, you know that too.

So I'm not gonna argue with him on the numbers, because I'll lose.

And I'm pretty good with numbers.

You are in terms of votes too.

But I think he's right to a point as it relates to the... So if you look at everybody who votes in April elections, right, then you're looking at who else can you get into the fray, right?

And I think he is right that in Western Wisconsin, assuming it's a close race, that's where it's going to be decided.

And in a place like Vernon County, it's about those low propensity Trump voters getting to turn out.

They typically turn out as he's making the point around cultural issues.

I'm not sure Schimel is making that.

Directly of a case although he is trying to disqualify her on some of those

right

like he is playing a little bit of that And you have Elon Musk pack is trying to make this all about a referendum for Donald Trump So there they are trying like I think they get that they want to turn them out quite frankly.

I think his whole Brad Schimmel BS about and in fact that should be a thing Brad Schimmel more BS but

his BS about Milwaukee County,

same

thing is trying.

Now, where I disagree with Joe, although he's right on this too, but I kind of disagree with him, the next most likely to turn out and vote, which is what her campaign is trying to do, is college students and younger women in sort of, it's the counties with the colleges.

So it's Eau Claire County, it's La Crosse County, it's Pierce County.

They're less likely, even less likely to show up and vote.

They voted for Proto-Savage in a big way because that was a referendum on reproductive choice.

I'm not sure that that issue resonates as much as it did either, which...

The bigger part of Joe's point might just be both of these campaigns are just a little bit off on messaging.

And he might

be right about that in terms of the voters that may decide this thing.

And one of the bigger picture points he makes in this article is that typically higher turnouts have been good news for Democrats, but he's making the argument that.

particularly in Dane County, the fastest growing county in Wisconsin, much more democratic leading that they're going to be there no matter what.

And he's making the point that this race for Supreme Court is going to be water loss by high turnout of likely Trump voters across the state, but particularly in Western Wisconsin.

Well, that's.

It's, I mean, the first rule of Wisconsin politics is Dane and Milwaukee County need to be balanced out, but for Democrats, their margins have to be, for a race to be close, Republican margins have to be equal to or slightly greater than in the Wild Counties and the Valley, Fox River Valley.

So, you know, and I don't know the case on that.

It's hard to say.

Tom, listening in Florida says, quote, there is no, he gives us a quote from David Foster Wallace, a novelist essayist and a short story writer.

Quote, there is no such thing as not voting.

You either vote by voting or you vote by staying home and tacitly doubling the value for some diehard's vote.

Well said.

Oh, let's go to the phone lines.

Yeah, there's like a rush lyric about that, too.

Really?

I don't know that.

All right.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice from Free Will by Rush, my favorite song of

theirs.

Wow.

Look at Zommer's coming

up with the trivia.

Look at

Zommer's.

Yeah.

That's fantastic.

8-5-5-7.

Well,

that's not surprising because Rush was always thinking man's rock music, so that Zommer's would be able to pull it out right away.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Let's go quickly to prayer to sack.

Mark, we're up against the clock.

Mark, if you can make it brief, what do you have?

Yeah, I think in Wisconsin the abortion issue might be big, or the reproductive rights issue might be big.

I heard Kate Cox speak yesterday at the rally in Madison, and she's the young woman whose pregnancy had to be terminated, and the delays on actually getting her, actually getting treatment.

that I won't go into detail that, but actually led her to be able to have children.

And this was a wanted pregnancy that she had.

And she gave a very passionate speech on that to the people there.

And I think, and for the whole bags of vote thing, let's remember back in the day when the Clapper and Prosser race, I think Kathy Nicholas took bags of votes home with her.

And the seals were broken, actually broken on those bags of ballots.

There wasn't the hue and cry back then.

There was a little bit of one, but there wasn't the insistence that none of those ballots be counted because who knows what happened when those seals were broken.

So I mean, this whole just ingenuous of Brad Schimmel.

Yes, Brad Schimmel.

Yes, he's just full of it.

Appreciate it, Mark.

Thank you so much.

Again, audits on Wisconsin elections.

We can have confidence in the results by all proper audits and there has been no.

Again, no valid claims or proof of any sort of major ballot fraud in Wisconsin.

855-755-248-42.

Jean, you know, Claire, let's see WCFW the tap.

Jean, what's the?

I got the receipts to support the series of Western Wisconsin and I'm in a rural area.

And I have received eight 11 by six hard cardboard

Americans for Prosperity, the AFP, you know, that's a non-profit organization, one a week.

First they start out with promoting their huge, colorful things, promoting black shimmels to the Supreme Court.

She protects her communities, supports and defends the Constitution, puts partisanship aside, and both sides are shimmels.

crossed his arms, looking in his nice suit, but what a great guy he looks like.

People don't know who he is around here.

Standing up for safer communities is a different one.

Rule of law, rights and freedoms, okay?

Then we got another one, totally branched him out.

Then they change, then they go to Schimel.

In an election day, early voting, promoting early voting,

Yeah, we're

up against the clock, Gene.

No, I don't want to cut you off the way.

I got the point.

You're getting a lot of stuff up there, right?

You're seeing it.

So

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I think it's just Gene's call there.

I mean, it shows people in these important areas are just getting pounded every day with direct mail.

Not to mention, I mean, you can't try the NCAA game right now, basketball game.

And basically every ad is either for or against Schimler Crawford.

Yeah.

Welcome to Wisconsin, Todd.

Ground zero, really?

Are you that's what life's like there?

I know

you're

you during the general election.

I know you were shocked

The point is everybody should be a voter I'll certainly be voting for Susan Crawford in this but you know regardless We want everybody to be a voter have a plan to vote voting begins at 7 a.m.. In person on election day proper until 8 p.m.

Early voting in person is going on right now go to my vote dot wi dot Gov my vote dot wi dot gov

and be a voter in the April 1st election here coming up.

Certainly important to the future of Wisconsin.

Of course, the DPI, Secretaries, Race, Department of Public Instruction is on that as well.

Referendums and local races as well.

Lots of people fought and died for our right to go to the polling place each time it comes up, and we owe it to them to honor their sacrifice by being a voter.

Gonna come back, talk about tariffs.

Trigme has some info on that, and...

Trigby, there's a Sea Perch tournament going on in Milwaukee.

I'll tell you about that.

We come back as well as the Town Hall Balls show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Back to the Taliban show of the cynical media-ready network nine before the hour one o'clock.

Zomber is well done.

What do you dial up there, my friend?

Free will by

rush.

Very good.

Very good.

Not voting is voting.

Choosing to stay home.

They're Canadians, too.

They are.

They are Canadians.

Yeah, the group rush.

Yeah, don't be a voter.

Nothing infuriates me more than people that complain about the results of an election.

I say, well, who'd you vote for?

Well, I didn't vote.

Well, then just be quiet and really I don't I don't respect people who don't vote as

Don't complain

as as George W. Bush's former communication director in Texas and DC Karen Hughes said in her in her great book called 10 minutes from normal It's a great read just about people that work on political campaigns and how to communicate with people if you ever get a chance She said every election comes down to a choice and perfect not on the ballot

And she's so right Human endeavor none of us are perfect as it turns out trivia You sent me something this week on tariffs and the Trump tariffs that are going on and how this really impacts people in America But also specifically in Wisconsin talk a little bit about this, please

Yeah, so I saw this thing on blue sky mark Cuban had posted it

And this is fascinating.

So it estimates the retaliatory tariffs.

So the ones that are being placed on Canada in particular, I think in this case,

it's

how many jobs would be affected.

in each state.

Wisconsin has the largest percentage of any state in the country of jobs that will be impacted at 10.

Over 300,000 jobs will be negatively impacted by the tariffs in the state of Wisconsin.

Say that one more time.

I

want people to get this.

Say that again.

10% of the jobs in the state of Wisconsin will be negatively impacted by the tariffs.

Wow.

Go ahead.

And here's the thing, of the jobs that will be impacted in Wisconsin, 77% of those people voted for which candidate?

Donald Trump.

The one who's putting the tariffs on.

Wow.

77%.

Yeah.

10% of jobs.

And the reason for that is, think about how much egg products.

Forsting products, paper, all the kinds of things that are made in Wisconsin get exported to Canada.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

It's a killer.

The people who won Wisconsin, who gave Donald Trump the victory in Wisconsin, he's basically saying, I

don't care.

Screw you.

Yeah.

That's what he's saying.

It's astounding to me.

But not all that surprising

I guess but and why are Democrats not in it not talking about this mark po can if you're listening Ben whoever like start talking about it 10% of the jobs in Wisconsin are gonna be negatively impacted That is

seven

eight out of eight out of ten of those people voted for Donald Trump.

Yeah

And I think we talked to someone this show, but

240,000 of them.

The more that and I'm not wishing any ill will on anybody.

I don't care who they voted for.

But I think the sad reality is as some of these things take effect over time, people will start feeling it.

It's just like that.

We talked about this.

We talked about this guy a couple of days ago on the show from Milwaukee, who married a woman from Peru and they just went for their honeymoon.

in Puerto Rico, and they tried to get back in the country last week, and she got taken away by ICE.

And the guy said he voted for Trump, the husband.

Well, suddenly now, and he's like, I didn't expect this to happen to me.

But as things start affecting people, suddenly people wake up.

But I'm not wishing that on people.

I just think that it's going to take more of that for this to impact them.

Well, here's the other thing.

Think about this.

If 10% of the jobs in the state of Wisconsin are going to be negatively impacted by the tariffs that are going to go on, NAFTA, Mexico and Canada, 10% of those jobs, think about how that echoes throughout the economy of the state of Wisconsin.

And then think about this.

Elon Musk and Doge in eliminating USAID,

Three million three billion dollars in in excess dairy product.

Well, not excess egg products including a lot of dairy Gone.

Yeah And where's our where's our friends?

You know, where's where's Scott Manley at the Wisconsin manufacturers and commerce?

And I don't hear a lot.

I'm not I don't hear a lot.

We talked about that

right and WMC WMC

Why are they not speaking out on this?

If these were tariffs being placed by a Democrat administration, would they be speaking out?

I don't know.

I would

assume that they would be against tariffs, period, because it's not good when 10% of the jobs in the state of Wisconsin are going to be negatively impacted by the tariffs.

And WMC is staying quiet.

Why?

Why?

Then they're not a pro-business organization.

They're a political extension, or they're scared, or, you know, there's something else.

But then they shouldn't be manifesting themselves as we're the defenders and champions of business when we're only defenders and champions of business.

When it goes where's where's speaker Robin Voss?

Where is majority leader Devin Lummahue?

Where's a joint finance co-chair Howard Markline who all claimed to be pro business and pro Agriculture, but yet I haven't heard a thing about them on this

or Derek Van Horton or or Scott Fitzgerald or any of these guys Glenn growthman or what's his name?

What the guy up in

Tom Tiffany Tom.

He wants to be governor toxic Tom.

He's kind of forgettable

Not good if you're running for Gov.

Trippie's going to stick around and play what's worse with us involving sleeping.

We'll explain to the other side, maybe a little politics as well as the all-bowl show for a Wednesday on the Civic Media.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm Todd Alba, along with our outstanding producer, Mr. Aaron Zommers, on the board.

It is six past the hour of one o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two of the big program.

It is Wednesday, March 19th, 2025, and it is pump day.

That's right.

And it is also a great day to be Wisconsinite here at the World headquarters downtown Madison.

It is a rating right now.

Little rain outside and can expect that to continue here in Madison.

Parts of the state are already receiving snow, particularly up in trivius old stomping ground up there in the River Falls area up there.

It's a little snowy up there in Chippewa Valley.

Also going to be snowy.

Well, eventually all this precipitation if it's not already is

this front moves through is going to change to snow so throughout the afternoon into tonight some of Wisconsin roadways if they're not already will become very slickery as they say so do drive carefully allow extra time if you have to be on the roads tonight some places in Wisconsin could see six maybe eight inches locally in terms of actual snowfall this could be the wet heavy stuff so please don't be

It's a, unfortunately a time when a lot of folks can have heart attacks, try to move that kind of snow around.

If you don't have to go anywhere, you might want to just let it sit because we'll be back in the fifties for much of the state by the end of the week.

Last coming up in hour number two today, talk about this fun story down in Milwaukee, where students are showing off underwater engineering schools at the seventh annual sea perch tournament.

Talk a little bit about that.

That'll be fun.

Also, uh, 48 years ago today, the final curtain fell on the Mary Tyler Moore show.

48 years ago today.

We'll talk a little bit about that.

Talk about our brackets as well as the Badgers are set to take on the Montana Grizzlies on Thursday.

Pregame show starts at 11 30.

The tip off time is around 12 30.

You can hear that locally.

on stations across the broadcast airwaves in Richland Center, Amory and Wisconsin Rapids.

Due to the NCAA and their agreement with Westwood One, we are not able to stream that on the Civic Media apps.

You have to live in one of those communities.

For those watching on television, I believe it's on TNT, which will be broadcast on Thursday as well.

Also, what's worse coming up here in a minute, but our friend, Trig V. Olson,

Senior advisor at Lincoln Project has agreed to stick around to have a little fun with what's worse.

We're going to do that in a minute.

But first, we're going to go out to Los Angeles, California in LA, Tom, before the break, before the end of last hour.

We were talking about this article or this post that Mark Cuban had done and Trigvie was talking about this on the effect of tariffs, the Trump tariffs, which it looks like, according to the figures that Trigvie has here, Mark Cuban.

up to 10% or more of Wisconsin jobs are going to be affected negatively on this.

And just talking about the messaging of why we don't hear more about this.

L.A.

Tom, thanks for joining us.

We'll see.

Yeah, Todd.

First, I want to compliment you on showing where each $100 is going to of taxes.

And I hope that you can do that also on the state level as much.

Um, the one question I have is how much of that tax dollars is actually going also towards tax breaks, uh, for the rich.

Um, so I would love it if you could work on that again.

It's a really important thing.

Also, please take the quiz, select a candidate quiz.

Cause I want everyone to take that cause it'll show that they're voting against their best or voting for their best interests.

Um,

You know, what we have to think about, and this is going to be controversy, especially with you and Trigby, I think.

Republicans do not like we the people government.

They said they want to destroy it, and their actions are showing that.

Democrats like we the people government and want it to be better.

If you love your job, or if you're at your job and you love the company, you're going to do really, really good for the company.

If you hate your job,

you're not going to do such a great job for the company.

So I would say to anybody out there that's, you know, talking about Sue and Crawford and Mr. BS, you know, hey, do you want someone that really believes in the rule of law and believes in good government, good, we the people government, or do you want someone that's just basically owned completely by the special donors?

It's not that the Democrats are not

also in the getting money for politics to run for office.

But I'm sorry, this is the Republican sandbox and the Democrats are just playing in it.

Democrats have put up many bills on a federal level to try to get money out of politics, including HR1, which they were filibustered on.

And that is the clue behind this whole thing.

And I really think Democrats

What I'm doing, Todd, to find solace, and I hope everyone else maybe think about this, I'm going back and I'm listening to the old FDR speeches.

And I'll tell you what, you know what, that's when it was, government was great.

And what Democrats need to really do, and I think even people in the middle need to start doing, is saying, let's make government great again.

Because government is we the people, we pay our taxes,

That's what pays for the things such as the fire department and all of that.

And honestly, the Republican party, and it's been their goal for a very, very long time, has been they want to privatize things, and they don't want to have things in the public sector.

And I'll tell you this, if my house is burning down, I do not want to have to make sure I call and be on an automated service and say,

I hope you paid your dues so the whole neighborhood doesn't burn down.

You all from it.

But that's what the Republican party would like to have happen is everything to be privatized.

Stand by.

Don't go anywhere.

Just stand by.

Stay on the line.

We'll keep the line open there for LA Tom Triggy.

I mean, I agree with him in the sense that Democrats, well...

Democrats need to start caring like Democrats, but fighting like Republicans, right?

Like that, at the end of the day, that's what needs to happen.

And I just think, I don't know, I think at the end of the day,

you know, if Democrats, there's a lot of people who've been sold this bill of goods that government isn't doing anything for them until they need it.

And everybody hates lawyers until you need one, right?

Like it's the same thing.

And people like the roads they drive on, they, you know, and this is an assault on government.

I don't know how much of this is, I mean, it's a very sort of, it's not a sliver.

It's a lot of Republicans.

Republicans tend to be more skeptical of government, but the ones who are running the ship in this are these really sort of libertarian, we don't need no government, except for if I can get a big contract to install my rocket ship stuff.

Then I'm all for it.

I agree with you and yeah, I mean, I don't think that was particularly controversial LA Tom I thought you nailed a lot of great points.

I I think two things a on the messaging I agree with Brian Schatz the US senator from Hawaii Democrat who has said that you know Democrats need to start talking like normal people his term his words not mine, which I think is absolutely true I'll also say this and

You know, I think most Wisconsinites loved Bob Uker, still love Bob Uker, the longtime brewer announcer of 50 plus years who passed away here a couple of months ago.

And Lane Grindel, his longtime co-announcer, who is now the voice of the brewers for this season.

Lane Grindel wrote a great piece about Bob Uker and Uker telling him the secret or one of the secrets to good announcing.

And he said, you know, stats are great.

All these stat sheets, they give us and everything.

Yeah, they're, they're, they're great.

I mean, hey, man, use them like, you know, but he said, don't get confused.

The game is out there.

And he pointed from the announcing booth onto the field.

He said, the game's out there.

It's on the field.

It's in the stands.

In other words, if you want to paint a great picture for our audience, don't have your nose buried in the stats.

Just look out there.

And I think sometimes in our travels, trivia around the state, I wish Democrats would spend more time out there.

And I wish that they would actually see how people are living and how they and that there's not all a bunch of hateful people that are voting for Donald Trump.

They're just frustrated.

And I think we have to learn that the game of politics, it's out there in the state of Wisconsin.

It's not behind polls and stat sheets.

Well, not only that, I mean, there was a survey that just came.

Go ahead, go ahead, LA.

Go ahead, Tom.

No, I absolutely agree with you.

And the fact that, you know, the people out there, I believe that it's not that they're bad people.

It's honestly that they're being buffooned.

They're actually being lied to and they're actually believing it.

And I wish they could come to a thing that says, you know, I have been snuckered by these people.

But what the Democratic Party needs to do, get back to your

FDR roots, get back to your Teddy Roosevelt roots in terms of the Republican side, talking about conservation and talking about the beauty of this country and the national forest and things like that that Teddy talked about and FDR talking about people getting healthcare for all and social security and

unemployment and the WPA system.

And he wasn't about just giving people money just to give people money.

The government was the employee of last resort.

And I think that, you know, we don't have a thing right now where we have a lot of competition in business.

We have monopolies.

So therefore you do not even have, and now you have corporate capture where the corporations are bought off.

And I'm telling you, the problem is, it is a conservative Supreme Court that brought us Citizens United.

Oh, sure, yeah.

They brought us Berkeley versus Bulejo, and they brought us First National Bank versus Bellotti.

I appreciate it.

They made corporations, people, and made this whole mess happen.

Up against the clock, L.A., I appreciate the call.

Trick me.

Let's wrap it up on that, please.

I mean, I would say this.

I'm just thinking, as Tom's talking, the reality is the Democrat Democratic Party, much like the Republican Party, the Republican Party is held captive by the extremes of the party, and the Democrat Party is to a degree too.

Part of the reason there was a survey that just came out that shows most voters, even Democrats, think that the Democrats are mostly concerned with the issues of their base and not problems of average people until they fix that.

And part of the reason why the culture wars on the right win is because Democrats are afraid to say certain things because they don't want to offend.

a small portion of their base that's out of step on a lot of these things.

And it allows things that aren't really things like men playing women's sports in the state of Wisconsin, in high school athletics, that's not a thing to become things.

Right.

Appreciate it.

Stay tuned.

Trigman are going

to start off.

He's a stick around to help us start off with what's worse.

Not going to want to miss that.

A little lighter side after this.

Don't go anywhere.

It's the title of all show for Wednesday on the Civic Media.

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Network.

My heart beats with the lonely rain Wishin' I could see your face again Welcome

back to the Civic

Media

Radio Network.

21 past hour, what a clock!

It's a rainy

day

indeed here in Madison, Wisconsin.

I'm playing the song sleeping with the radio on by Charlie McClain.

I wish I was I came with not a con who does all of

our our billing our finances here He had a blanket wrapped.

It was it gets chilly in this office.

He had a blanket I said I wish I wish I was home with a blanket and a hot cup of coffee today or chillier

It's

one of those days in Wisconsin.

I was the weather out in Washington, D.C.

Trigby Olson

Today's not so bad

Today's

not so

bad.

660s.

We had some callers in the line here and wanted to keep discussing media and that sort of thing.

We'll do that after the 130 break if those folks want to call it back.

But right now at 22 past 1 o'clock, time once again for What's Worse.

Here we

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All right, as Mike Lucas says timely.

Timely indeed Trigvie also stayed around to help us us kick off this edition of what's worse Trigvie I've traveled with you and You know usually we try not to have a report down at the lobby earlier than nine Because Trigvie needs to sleep and so today's what I don't talk before 10 o'clock

That's actually pretty accurate.

He comes down to the lobby and I know I know well by now I just sit there reading something on my phone or the paper and when

he wants to talk, he'll talk.

My good friend Lord Ashcroft always says you don't talk before 10 o'clock and then you never shut up.

That's also kind of true, but in a good way.

All right, here's what's worse, especially with a day like today.

Sometimes some people are staying up late to watch the March Madness and sleep can be a problem.

So today's, what's worse?

Trouble sleeping or trouble waking up?

Trouble sleeping or trouble waking up?

855-752-4842-855-752-4842, your context is on the Civic Media app.

What's worse, trouble sleeping or trouble waking up?

I ask you, Trigvielson.

It's a really hard one because they're both terrible.

I feel for you

because you legit have like sleeping problems.

I do have a lot of sleeping problems.

In fact, I'm supposed to go see a sleep person.

Are you

really?

Yeah, I'm going to.

I'll probably have that.

You know, they hook you up with the machine.

Oh, yeah.

You know,

my dad and my sister, a lot of them have sleep apnea and cheese.

My GP doesn't think I have sleep apnea, but I might have restless legs syndrome.

My mom has that.

But anyway,

and I certainly have a mind that keeps me up.

I

think trouble waking up is probably worse for me.

Only because it really bugs me when I don't get enough sleep and then I struggle to get

up.

Yeah.

No, absolutely.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

We go to Cindy in beautiful Appleton, Wisconsin.

Cindy, trouble sleeping or trouble waking up?

What's worse?

Hey, Todd.

Hey, Trigby.

Trouble sleeping, because if I don't sleep well, then I have trouble getting up.

So if I sleep like a log, I can get up in the morning without a problem, but not the other way around.

All right, very good.

Well, thank you.

I appreciate the call.

So the 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Lots of texts coming in.

We go to the phone lines again.

Our friend Troy in Mount Horrib calling in.

Troy, what's worse, trouble sleeping or trouble waking up?

Pretty much just like Joe said, trouble sleeping because then I'm a bear in the morning if I don't get enough sleep.

Oh,

hey, real quick.

Yeah, real quick.

The guy with the Peruvian wife, he was in Newsweek this last week, I think, saying that he won.

He'd vote for Trump again.

Wow.

So I don't know if he just wanted to get rid of his wife or what, but I don't

know.

I'm not sure is

Chris.

What?

But he said in there that he was hoping that publicity around this.

would get Trump to make the policy better like Trump cares about him and his wife or something.

Incredible.

All right.

Thanks Troy.

I appreciate it.

What's worse?

Waking up, sleeping or going to sleep or trouble?

Waking up going to Roger watching on Facebook says he's listening to FHR or Stevens or Stevens in Stevens point it says.

But he's in Stevens point listening to FHR trivia.

You and I have been to FHR Wisconsin Rapids.

He says trouble sleeping leads to trouble waking up after finally getting to sleep.

That is true.

That's

pretty well said.

Well, except you can be having trouble sleeping because you're out having a lot of fun.

Well, yeah,

hard time waking

up.

You could be, you know, you could be just a high roller at the craps table and not wanting to walk away.

Now you're talking my style.

Yes, I know.

I had I

slept fine that night because I did not go to the casino that night.

But Trigby came back much richer.

So it's making money, baby.

And then Kurtie and I lost it all during the Bears game.

It is casino in Chicago.

My entire profit.

Eight five five seven five two four eight four two.

What's worse, trouble sleeping or trouble waking up.

Christine in slinger, listening on WAUK says trouble sleeping is worse.

Also Tony listening in Madison on WMDX says trouble sleeping.

is much worse.

John, listening on WISS in Oshkosh says trouble sleeping for sure as that leads to waking up the next day.

Greg, a beautiful Genesee Depot, listening on WAUK says trouble sleeping is worse.

I worked third shift for 32 years.

I still can't sleep at night and I hate getting up in the morning.

Wow.

That's incredible.

All right, very good.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Ollie in the Northwoods.

Ollie, if you can make it quick, trouble sleeping or trouble waking up, what's worse?

Well, I have trouble sleeping, and in order to overcome the trouble waking up, I usually end up fighting it and making sure I stay awake all night if I have an early appointment.

Well, there you go.

All right.

Very good.

I appreciate the call.

All right.

Thank you so much.

Trigvie, I appreciate you sticking around an extra half an hour.

That was fun.

Got some got some good information out there.

And we did a little

on my side that trouble waking up is worse.

That's my

I'm actually with you on that.

I'm actually with you on that.

All

right.

Well, good.

So there's a couple.

Yeah, absolutely.

Trigvie also the senior advisor, Lincoln Project.

Thanks, my friend.

We'll talk to you soon.

Oh, see you guys.

All right.

Thank you very much.

Come on back.

We'll we'll talk perch and brackets on the other side.

Don't go anywhere

Welcome back to the Taliban show of the civic media radio network.

It is nine before the hour of two o'clock at the top of the hour.

CBS or ABC News, depending upon which of our great stations you're listening to across the civic media radio network, followed by a check of news in your local community, our great sports reporter, Mike Clemens.

Mike Clemens was on Pete Schwabba's show last night and was fantastic as always.

It was just a great, it was entertaining and informative to listen to Mike and Pete last night.

So enjoyed that.

So Mike Clemens will be in our weather forecast.

Don't forget wet weather moving across Wisconsin today.

Some places already receiving snow.

And as the afternoon and evening goes on, some places could have six to eight inches, say around Chippewa Falls area, and then south on Madison South and east of Madison in the middle part of the state, maybe four inches or so.

It depends on temperatures and how fast it all changes over.

But in any event, it's going to be wet, it's going to be slippery, and travel could get hazardous.

So be aware of that.

Temperatures will warm back to around 50 by the end of the week, so the snow will not last too long.

That is great.

And then after that, we got the Maggie Dawn show from two until four, Dom Selvia, four till six.

Pete Schwab, as we said, six until eight.

Now talk to me about this summer's because I thought after Schwab's show, it was Rick Smith and and then last night it was it was a native roots radio came on right after.

Is that normally them?

Have I have I been saying it wrong?

The schedules change or do we

know?

I'm gonna look at that because I don't know.

I just want to make sure I'm saying it right understand Anyway, if at some point you'll hear Rick Smith across America and native roots radio with her friend Robert Pyle both great shows I just want to make sure that I'm I'm plugging them in the in the right way Very quickly.

We are maybe is it one more call on the Mary Tyler Moore show and TV programs that help propel women or their causes Ollie calling for the Northwoods Ollie.

Did you have a particular show you want to vote for?

Well, I actually liked Mama Family, which has been off of Tira Burnett, but I just wanted to suggest that since you are sort of tipping a hat to Mary Tyler Moore today, that when you leave today, you and your buddy there can also toss your hats in the air.

If only I had exactly, I would.

I don't have a hat with me right now.

It's in my

office.

I

have a baseball cap, but maybe I'll throw the papers

today.

All right.

Thanks, Ali.

I appreciate it.

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Now this is a real time, this is a real time information.

This is fantastic.

Uh, our Casper, one of our engineers says nothing has changed.

It's native roots radio and then the ricksmith Joe.

All right, I'm not sure what happened.

I thought Rick Smith came on first and then I don't know.

I really should go to the meetings more often.

Or we have to get this a couple of things in quickly while Zombers has taken a call here.

According to CBS 58 in Milwaukee, this is great.

Kids from all over the region came to Milwaukee yesterday for a big engineering tournament in a swimming pool.

More than 160 middle school and high school students are competing in teams showing off their underwater engineering skills.

The Navy League's seventh annual Sea Perch Tournament brought students from Illinois and Wisconsin to the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee's campus said, quote, practical applications getting out of the classroom.

And who doesn't want to play with water?

said Eric Walbach, president of the Milwaukee Navy League.

Teams are competing with remotely operated vehicles to complete tasks underwater, such as opening a hatch, taking off an octopus, and putting fish into a basket.

They get basic skills, a basic skills kit, plus they can use $25 in additional parts of their choice.

Usually 3D printed parts are the big ones that they use it for.

Each team has to do three things.

One, earn points in the main mission course.

Two, move through rings in an obstacle course.

And finally, you have a presentation to professional engineers.

Well, how about that?

The top four teams from the competition will advance to the international tournament in Maryland this May.

The sea perch, it doesn't involve live perch, I don't believe, but these engineering skills and by golly, we need more engineers in the state.

of Wisconsin.

That is really cool.

Isn't it cool?

I guess great.

And finally, a story about Cougars.

Cougars have been actually done.

Cougars have been on the endangered species list for 51 years, but they're slowly making a comeback.

Lone male Cougars have been seen in Wisconsin for the past 20 years.

But last week and the upper peninsula of Michigan, Cougar Cubs.

or confirmed by wildlife experts is the first evidence of the keystone species returning to the area in over 100 years.

If you want the full story, this is real.

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That's great The Cougars are making a comeback.

I never knew they were gone.

Well, wait the animal.

Yeah,

no, it's great that they're making a comeback

Back to my college days with Water Street and Plattville.

There were a few that prowled the streets But otherwise, no, there's truly a comeback.

Oh, that was a fun show today, Mr. Somers.