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It is six past the hour of 12 noon on this Monday, March 17th, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite and a great day to celebrate St.

Patrick's Day.

The sun is out here in our world headquarters in downtown Madison, Wisconsin.

Mr. Zommers, happy St.

Pat's Day.

Happy

St.

Patrick's Day.

It is, it's great.

In hour two, we're going to do a little celebrating here.

Looking forward to that.

Civic Media's own Terry Barr is going to be along with a great Wisconsin look at St.

Patrick's Day.

We have a lot of people of Irish descent.

I am one of them.

I'm in my green today.

So celebrating, you know, the Irish part of my family might not be the most prominent, prominent or pronounced, mostly German and Czech, but still.

A little bit of Irish.

You have a little bit of red in the beard there.

I do have a little bit of red in the beard.

I am mostly German Czech Latvian.

I don't recall if there's any Irish in there,

but

I'm not wearing green today because I'm a trader in a scoundrel.

Actually,

because I

forgot to do my laundry.

Well, that happens too.

In hour two, we'll talk a little bit more about St.

Patrick's Day as we said with Terry Barr.

Also have our What's Worse for today.

A lot of people out celebrating tonight.

Gonna be out late.

So what's worse morning people or night people will talk about that in our two big basketball over the weekend the Wisconsin Badgers Wow, they did great in the semifinals beat the top ranked Michigan State team the Big 10 tournament But then we're just out of gas in the championship game against the the Michigan Wolverines

who got by the Badgers by four points, Michigan wins the Big Ten championship.

Badgers had to do four games in four days.

And like I say, they just they were out of gas by the championship game.

Certainly were the.

But it was a well fought game.

They now move on to the NCAA tournament, where they are a three seed in the East region.

And we'll talk more about this hour to as well, because a lot of people thought they got the three seed.

That would mean they would end up at the Pfizer forum.

in Milwaukee, one of the regional sites.

That did not happen.

Iowa State, we'll get into this more in hour two, they're going to Milwaukee, the Badgers are going to Denver, where they will take on the Grizzlies of Montana on Thursday, Thursday after about 1230.

I'm not sure how many people will be listening to this.

I might not even be listening to this program at 12 30 on Thursday, but the Badgers play Montana on Thursday.

You can hear the game on select stations across the civic media radio network.

We will pre be preempted on Richland Center, Wisconsin rap as an AMRI as well.

We should be as the Badgers take on the Grizzlies of Montana in the first round of the NCA tournament.

Also the Wisconsin women's hockey team.

One, their regional, they are going back to the frozen four, which will be in Minneapolis.

I believe they play the first game on Friday.

If they win there, the championship game will be on Sunday.

So congratulations to coach Mark Johnson.

As expected, they work so hard.

They just, nobody does it better than Mark Johnson and the Lady Badgers of the Wisconsin hockey team.

So more all of that in hour two.

As per usual, it was a busy weekend in the news of fire hose of information.

There are, I literally have a half a dozen to eight stories, which we could take 20 minutes and get into and discuss and they're all news worthy.

But I wanted to begin with this and then we're going to bring on our friend and ongoing contributor, the great Matt Flynn to discuss it with us.

This.

The executive order is signing over the weekend of President Trump.

I want to start with this from the intellectuals.

If you don't follow them on social media, you should.

It's a great publication, the intellectuals.

They write, Saturday, March 15th, 2025 may have seemed unremarkable to most Americans, but in time, history will remember it as Black Saturday, the moment the United States ceased to function as a constitutional democracy.

For the first time in modern American history, a sitting president openly defied a direct federal court order and nothing happened.

No intervention, no enforcement, no consequences.

A legal ruling was issued and the White House simply ignored it.

Inside the White House, the decision was not about law, it was about power.

A federal judge ruled against the administration

The debate inside Trump's team was not whether the ruling was legal, but whether they could get away with ignoring it.

They decided they could.

And they were right.

This was not a class between equal branches of government.

It was the moment the judiciary was exposed as powerless.

The courts do not have an army.

They rely on compliance.

But a court that cannot enforce its rulings is not a court.

It is a suggestion box.

And a presidency that can ignore the courts without consequences is no longer constrained by law.

It is an untouchable executive.

Trump did not declare the end of judicial authority in a speech.

He demonstrated it in practice.

This is how democratic systems collapse, not with a single act, but with the normalization of defiance.

The expectation that a ruling can simply be brushed aside.

that from the intellectualist.

What we're talking about, of course, is the ruling by Donald Trump over the weekend, instituting, once again, for only the third time in American history, the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.

Here to discuss it, to break it all down for us, our ongoing contributor, our friend, two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, also an attorney.

Navy veteran and a great author our friend Matt Flynn joining us live from the walkie via stream yard Matt as always I appreciate your time

Gonna be with you Todd.

I always like being on the Todd Olbo show great show

Well, thank you so very much.

You're too kind my friend I wish we were one of these days.

We're gonna do a show under under happy circumstances We always pretty honest seems like well, we're up against a crisis, but the reason I do

Number one, you are a great student and knower of history.

You're an attorney, so you get the law.

But number three, you're a Wisconsinite who can break things down in parlance and words that guys like me can understand, and I just appreciate it.

So Matt, tell us in this, and I always like to quote former Judge Weissman, may he rest in peace, who like to say, put it down there where the chickens can get at it.

What did Trump do over the weekend and why is this so consequential?

He has plunged the country into a constitutional crisis.

Here's the truth of the matter.

It's true that judiciary does not have an army, doesn't have a police force.

So they have depended on compliance for more than 200 years.

What Trump has done, a federal judge said that this plane that was going to El Salvador with Venezuelans on it has got to be turned back until they can decide whether or not his invocation of the 1798 Aliens Act is legitimate.

He's very clever.

What he did is that plane fall is a test case.

The plane was full of, apparently, these Trin del Agua Venezuelan gang members who are vicious.

They're truly vicious.

They really are.

So he's trying to force us into defending them.

We're not defending them.

They do belong in a prison.

But that said, when you have a president, a co-equal branch denying a court order and just saying the hell with you, you and I talked briefly about this before.

I'm going to

put it where the chickens can get at it and give a way to do it that would be more effective than what's happening.

And that is when the judge gets a civil case like this, when he gets a civil case like this, instead, he can't hold the president in contempt.

You can, of course, but you're not gonna do anything to him.

You get a lower ranking official.

You get some deputy of Homeland Security and order them to do it.

And if they don't do it, put them in jail.

That puts a lot of pressure on the right.

Now, Trump can pardon that person, but that makes him look bad.

Preferably, if you can get a state judge involved and have them violate a state order, Trump can't put that aside.

So that's the technical part of it.

But the other part of it is the people on the right who support Trump have got to say, are you willing to scrap our Constitution?

Are you willing to scrap our legal system?

I think you're absolutely right, Matt, and I wanna go back to, again, what happened and why this is so concerning.

Because on the face of it, some people are gonna say, well, these are rapists and murderers, and why are you defending that?

To make clear, and Matt, you can speak for yourself, I'm interpreting, I'm not defending anybody who committed rape or murder at all, and I don't think you are either, Matt.

What we are concerned about, what I think most Americans should be concerned about,

is the process that is going on here, number one, or lack thereof, and number two, the fact that a judge gave an order and it was ignored by the executive branch.

And also, well, let's start there, Matt.

I mean, this is not, put whoever on the plane.

I mean, you could put the Jeffrey Dahmer on the plane.

I don't care.

It's not about the person, the people on the plane and what they, again, allegedly committed,

No, but let's start there, Matt.

Whether you're an American citizen or not, under the Constitution, yes or no, every individual is guaranteed of the Constitution due process.

Well, right.

But under the 1798 Act, it's much more widespread than that.

Because in 1798, there were basically British spies around and so forth.

It doesn't matter whether they're citizens or not.

I suspect that this decision of the judge would have been overturned on appeal.

The reason I say that is because these people were murder, they really were, I'm not just alleging it, they were.

But I think an appellate court would have said, in this case, that judge overstepped his bounds.

But what happens if the next time they put a plain load of people who milk cows up in Warsaw,

you know,

who are good people?

And so there's black letter law.

that if a judge enters an injunction, you cannot disobey it, even if it turns out to be an unlawful injunction.

That's just the law.

And so in this particular case, it was under the 1798 Act, people can say, these were so bad, the Jeffrey Dahmer types, the hell with them, fine.

Then overturn it on the peel, and 10 days later, they'll go to El Salvador.

But by doing this, by sticking us, and then the guy in El Salvador puts, oopsie, dot, dot, dot, oopsie.

taunting our judiciary.

That's why it's a constitutional crisis.

Matt, referring, of course, to the president of El Salvador, Naib Bukele, regular listeners to the show know it over the years has essentially become my second home.

I've been there 39 times over 25 plus years to El Salvador.

And this guy, Naib Bukele, tremendously popular, got re-elected by 90% plus in El Salvador after

going in and basically redoing the Constitution and getting the second term.

Doesn't that sound hauntingly familiar?

We'll come back and play the deputy director of the FBI's own words.

What he thinks Trump should do about this situation.

Stay with us, Matt Flynn.

Aaron Zahmer is Todd Albaugh in his Monday St.

Patrick's Day on the Civic Media Ready Network.

On this side of the law, on that side of the law, Who is right, who is wrong, who is born, who's against the law?

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You can rest assured, Matt Flynn is not far behind his unofficial theme song there.

We appreciate Matt Flynn.

Great, great friend of mine, great friend of the show, two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, an attorney, a veteran of the United States Navy, and an author, Matt Flynn.

We appreciate you being back with us, Matt, 21 past the hour of 12 noon on St.

Patrick's Day, talking about this disturbing chain of events that happened over the weekend.

Here to just quickly set it up again.

Donald Trump's immigration folks, Department of Justice, rounded up a group of folks that they allege.

I haven't seen them manifest, but we'll take him with their word, where allege members of a vicious Venezuelan gang.

And when Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, was down on his Central American swing at the start of the administration, he made a deal with Naib Bukele.

who is a self-by the way he calls himself a well-liked dictator uh bukele does and and bukele said look we have this great and here's a quick history on that and i know this very well for being there 39 times el salvador did have slash still does have a gang problem by the way much of that was exported from los angeles back to el salvador i might say but they have it and so naean bukele

cracked down on gangs in El Salvador.

And the way he did it was he suspended what we were known as habeas corpus.

Matt could explain that more.

The rights of people to, to a fair trial basically.

And Naib Bukele actually set up a texting thing in El Salvador where if you thought that your neighbor or somebody that you knew was part of the gang, you just texted it in and.

They just came and took the guy away.

There was, there was, there was no, there was, I'm serious about this.

There was no if ands or buts about it.

Well, isn't that a great way?

Hey, you know, John over here slept with my wife.

I think he's quote unquote in a gang.

He's off to prison.

And, and these, these prisons are not what we, the same standard we have.

They're essentially dog kennels.

And, and so this is the kind of guy, and by the way, Salvadorans, most of them love this because the streets are safer.

It has, now there are approximately

Human rights people say approximately 30,000 ish plus innocent people that are in these prisons in El Salvador But hey, they also got their criminals off the street So here now over the weekend Trump is doing something similar not exactly the same but taking people Latino people that he thinks are in this Venezuelan gang putting them on a plane and Shipping them to El Salvador because now you book Kelly says hey, I'll take these people if you pay me right there's always a dollar sign involved so while the plane is an air

a lawsuit was filed or Matt could explain it better what it was actually filed in court and the judge essentially said turn the plane around you haven't gone through due process and Trump gave him a political legal middle finger and said stop me and the president of El Salvador goes on Twitter and says oops too late with a laughing emoji after that making fun of our system.

And, you know, one of our listeners here, Johnny Milwaukee, says, why do you continue to meet Todd?

Why do I continue to sign murders, rapist gang members, liberal judges have only one goal, block Trump, get the murders out any way possible?

Then goes on to say, why don't you, Todd, ever put America first, be careful, you might be on the next plane.

Well, wow, that's direct.

I'll say that, that's direct.

Matt, again,

To me, this doesn't have a lot to do with the people on the plane.

The way that I put America first is by putting the Constitution first.

And I don't believe that the process that was done here was constitutional, and I think it's very disturbing moving forward.

I agree.

And let me say, I want to come in with what John just said.

Hey, John, I got news for you.

Donald Trump is being extorted by the Russian mob, and he switched us to back Russia over Europe.

get off of that train.

He has hijacked the Republican Party and is disgusting, quite frankly, to hear people so facilely say, we are behind this hijacking of the Republican Party.

The second thing to respond directly, Todd, to your question, is this.

This is a test run.

He did took trend to Agua, sadists, they really were.

And that's

great.

Yeah, the gang member, well, they kill people and they butcher them.

All that that judge said was, wait a minute, show me that that's the case.

You are told not to do it right now.

Turn the plane around.

We'll have a hearing tomorrow.

And maybe I'll say yes.

And he said, screw you.

It's a test case because the next plane is not going to have people like that.

It's going to have just workers.

And the final thing I want to say about it is that if you have an executive blow off the court, that's the one check and balance that's still remaining because the Republican Senate and House are chicken.

They've caved into the guy.

So now he has no checks and balances if you let this continue.

I want

to go into this Aliens Enemies Act of 1798.

This is the.

power that Trump claims he has in order to do what he did.

Matt, as a student of history, keep me honest here, and we got about three minutes and we'll pick it up on the other side of the break after Pam Yonkey's agricultural report.

But again, this was only enacted three times in American history during the Revolutionary War and during both World War I and World War II.

I want to say ironically or whatever.

I am planning to talk about this today.

And the question I was going to ask listeners was the Alien Enemies Act was invoked during World War II to justify targeting US citizens and legal residents based on what?

A, anti-government actions.

B, anti-speecher writings.

Anti-government speech or writings.

C, where a person was born.

D, making eye contact with law enforcement officers.

The answer, of course, is C, where a person is born.

So that becomes very dangerous in today's world, Matt, in my opinion, because now if you look like a Venezuelan gang member, according to who I ask the air, then this is much broader.

This gives Trump, or seemingly, Matt, help me understand this, seemingly is giving Trump enormous power in those who are accused very little.

Right.

And here's the reason it's a constitutional crisis is,

Trump with his justice department go into court and say, look, there are 100 people here and here are their records.

And I think the court would have said, fine, get rid of them.

And the US Supreme Court would have said the same thing.

With the Japanese out in California in the 1940s, some of them were Japanese spies.

Some of them were.

If they had come in and said, hey, these are Japanese spies, get rid of them.

I get it or lock them up.

But what they did in the 1940s, they were afraid racially of the whole crowd, even though a lot of Japanese veterans who were put in combat in Italy and Germany, not in Japan, on our side, were innocent.

plain load very likely isn't innocent.

I don't care.

The judge said, come back and show me why they're not innocent and then we'll get rid of them.

But the next time, the next plain load is going to be people who are simply working on farms in Wisconsin.

They're going to continue to do it.

And speaking of that, when we come back, we have a story in today's USA Today of exactly that, not even farmers.

This is a couple of one of their honeymoon and couldn't get back into Wisconsin.

We'll tell you about it on the other side, Pam Yankee's next specific media.

Hello, all show on the Civic Media Radio Network, 34 past hour of 12 noon on St.

Patrick's Day.

We are joined by Matt O'Flynnigan.

No, just Matt Flynn on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Along with Mr. Sommer, we'll talk more about St.

Patrick's Day in hour number two.

Our very own Terry Barrow will be along with the great Wisconsin story and take on St.

Patrick's Day.

Matt Flynn, do you have any Irish in you?

About 100%,

but I also have a story quick.

It'll

take two

seconds.

And it's this, what did Pat Lucy

Bill Proxmire and Gaylord Nelson have in common other than the fact they were Democrats.

Pat Lucy, Gaylord Nelson and Bill Proxmire.

I am going to say that they all served as the honorary parade, grand marshal of the Milwaukee St.

Patrick's Day Parade.

They each had Irish mothers.

Really?

Wow, all right.

All three.

Very interesting.

Lots of Irish and, of course, you're in Milwaukee, join us there.

They have big, big duens down there as they say every year for St.

Patrick's Day.

Great parade.

Yeah.

Are you a corned beef and cabbage

guy?

I am on St.

Patrick's Day.

I have a greenish shirt on.

I can't

find my Kelly green shirt.

If I had it, I'd put that on too.

Well, I was glad to have you along.

More at St.

Patrick's Day and hour two at Terry Bar right now.

Talking about something that is not quite as fun, but I think is absolutely important.

And to set it up, over the weekend, Donald Trump enacted

the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, only three times in American history has been used, the Revolutionary War and World War I and World War II.

And Matt helped, and subsequently they deported a couple of plain loads of Venezuelans who they say were in this terrible gang and a judge essentially said, wait a minute, we have to have due process here.

Turn that plane around and we'll do this the right way.

And Trump said, no, I ain't doing it that way and ignored a judge's order.

So we're talking with Matt Flynn about this due process and what that means moving forward in the future and what that means for all Americans.

Matt, again, help us understand this Alien Enemies Act of 1798.

And part of this is my understanding of this, of this.

Ruling or you call the I guess it's an act not a law But then it was reserved for what are the lines of it is to use it is during an invasion Invasion that seems to be a key word here and inferring the United States is at war Well, we're not a technically at war with anyone right now over the weekend on Air Force one coming back from his golf tournament by the way in Florida Trump said well, we are at war

We are at war on this.

And we've heard this from MAGA folks before, the word invasion all the time.

And to me as a layperson, Matt, that seems to correlate or connect why they keep using this word invasion when it comes to migrants is because they want to make sure that word is used in court in this circumstance.

Am I off base

there?

No, you're 100% right.

And first of all, the 1798 Alien Act is a law.

Secondly, at the same time, they had other laws that have been invalidated, the Sedition Act, where they could throw you in jail for criticizing the government.

So everybody had to sort things out in the Revolutionary War aftermath.

But this thing, Germans were deported in the First World War.

Some Germans were deported in the Second World War in Japanese.

And what's happened is, um, this is a test case for Trump.

Trump is a plain load of undoubtedly trend-a-lagua people.

I mean, in other words, murderers and sadists.

And all he had to do is turn the plane around, show it to the judge, and it would go right back to El Salvador.

He deliberately decided not to do it to see if he could get away with it, because the next plain loads are not going to be trend-a-lagua.

They will be simply immigrants who he happens to sweep up, even.

Now, the final thing to remember is, under our constitution, you must obey a court order, even if it is invalidated by an appellate court.

You must.

Otherwise, we have no democracy.

He's testing it because he knows he can't be put in jail for contempt.

He has 34 felony convictions.

He doesn't care about contempt.

The idea is judges should target a lower level official and put them in jail to make this much clearer to the people

of the public.

To Matt's point, you know, I'm not trying to make a light of this, but there's a little bit of irony to this whole thing.

You know, it's all fun and games until it affects you, right?

And so there's a headline in USA Today Today, and I believe it's also in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Quote, he voted for Trump.

Now his wife sits in the ICE Detention Center.

Story by Lauren Villagran.

In today's, it was actually in yesterday's USA Today, or it was posted yesterday, published today in USA Today.

I'm gonna read you a couple of lines.

Matt, I want your take on this.

Says Bradley Bartell.

And Camilla Munoz had a familiar small-town love story before they collided with immigration politics.

They met through mutual friends, had a first date at the local steakhouse, married after two years, and were saving to buy a house and have kids.

Munoz was already caring for Bartel's now 12-year-old son as her own.

But last month, on their way home to Wisconsin, after honeymooning in Puerto Rico,

An immigration agent pulled Munez aside at the airport, asking, are you an American citizen?

She answered, no, she wasn't.

She's from Peru.

But she and her husband had taken the legal steps so that one day she might become a U.S.

citizen.

Millions of Americans, including Bartel, had voted for President Donald Trump's promise to crack down on, quote, illegal criminal immigrants, unquote.

But eight weeks in, the mass deportation effort

has rapidly expanded to include migrants whose application for legal status in the country is under review.

Unquote.

This story today in the USA today, it goes on.

I encourage everybody to look it up.

It's fascinating.

Matt, this is not a singular story.

There's another story today in ABC News 10.

It's 10news.com 10news.com and believe it's out of California.

This of a woman of Canadian citizenship who is trying to.

Reestablish you she came here legally became out of status and was told by our attorney to go to the US consulate post in San Diego Where they didn't approve her they arrested her put her in chains and sent her to a detention camp or detention center in Arizona These are not isolated incidents to your point what we're seeing now and this over the weekend this expansion of the alien enemies act of 1798 to your earlier point these are not now being applied to just

murderers and rapists, quote unquote, but we have people who have come here legally, are married to American citizens, but because they lack immigration status as a citizen, they're now being taken away in chains.

Right, not only is it disgusting, but you have to look at the analogies to the 1930s.

The way Hitler got away with what he did early on was say, we are einvoke, we are one people and everybody else is no good and we can kill them.

There's no einvoke in the United States.

We're all different ethnicities.

But Trump has substituted that for us against immigrants, any immigrant, and especially South American immigrants and African, Asian, and so on.

So what's happening is, if you are in the process of pursuing citizenship and you're married to an American citizen, it is intolerable that you get arrested.

It's being done.

And one reason why he did this trend to Lagois

stick in the eye to our judiciary is, I can get away with it if everybody hates the guys on the plane.

I hate the guys on the plane, okay.

But then what happens is the honeymooner, the woman out in California, all of this, people go in up and saying, I'd like to apply for American citizenship, and they put them in chains and take them away.

He is basically pitting us against them by doing it by immigration status instead of ethnicity.

I know you're not we can't legally give out legal advice so to speak here, but do you think it's prudent as an attorney?

If someone has is under has a permanent residency has anything other than full bird American citizenship Do you think it's prudent to carry your passport and your papers with you these days?

It can't hurt, but here's the deal.

Whether or not you carry them, there was a news item that came out today, Todd, as you know, that said foreign tourists are now canceling their travel plans in the United States.

They're afraid.

They're afraid.

I think the best thing I would say to people would be go about your business.

If you're working on a farm in Warsaw or something, go ahead and do it.

But even if you have papers, unless the papers are clear that you have a green card, and even then,

He can revoke a green card if he wants to, he thinks he can.

But unless you have clear papers, it doesn't matter what you're carrying, they'll grab you.

This requires mobilization, frankly, by everybody in this country.

even Trump supporters.

In other words, yeah, you may want to crack down on cartels.

Great, I do too.

But what he's doing is using it as an ethnic wedge to crack down on South Americans, Asians, and Africans.

Yeah, even as the story says in the USA today, and I believe on Journal Sentinel today, is this Bradley Bartell from Wisconsin, he says he voted for Donald Trump.

And we've seen this from other, this Latino guy out east, I forget what state it was in.

To your point, the guy had a green card.

And, and he was mistaken for a quote unquote illegal.

He was arrested and put in handcuffs until he was able to prove he was, you know, he was, he was just assumed to be illegal.

You know, and he said he or people, his family, his family had voted for Trump.

So, I mean, this is not just people who voted for Kamala Harris, as though that was any sort of an excuse.

It's not.

My point is, is that Trump is not, he doesn't care who you voted for.

If he just doesn't like you, or somebody like you he doesn't like, put you on a plane to the dog kennels in El Salvador.

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Tom, listening on MDX and Madison.

Tom, thanks for calling in and we'll see you.

Yeah, the politics of us versus them.

There's a great Jason Stanley book that's here I've mentioned before.

It's always testing boundaries.

I mean, Trump started out kind of mild saying that John McCain wasn't a war hero, or he would mock a disabled journalist.

And then it, you know, it picked up to gassing peaceful protesters, just to get a picture holding the Bible.

And then it was attacking the Capitol.

And now it's basically defying the courts.

And as Matt said, yeah, if they put migrant workers on those planes, it would be one thing.

But the gangs are just, you know, the doorway into

Shutting everybody down remember Trump said we won't need any votes after this one, and I think he's right

Yeah, thank you Tom Stalin said it doesn't matter who the people vote for it matters who counts the votes We he is just disassembling our democracy Faster than Hitler did in Germany which took him several months.

This guy is defying courts

A lot of it is death threats from a lot of his supporters against Republican senators and congressmen.

They're afraid for the safety of their families, but for primaries.

He's disabled the Congress.

Now he's trying to disable the courts.

He's disabling the media.

He's now attacked Rachel Maddow and said that she should pay for what she did, MSNBC.

He has gone after journalists, said that they are enemies of the people.

And these people don't have security, not the way he does.

And he has a whole network of people who are essentially potential assassins who lie and wait.

And these people are afraid for their lives.

That's what he has done largely because he's afraid of Putin.

And he's afraid of Putin because he's been extorted by the Russian mob over the pee video and the steel report and over money laundering and frankly taking money from the Russians for 30 years.

He's afraid of Putin and to salvage his dignity, he's making other people afraid of him.

This is the American democracy.

This has got to be broken through.

This whole thing has got to be exposed.

And as long as people are afraid for their lives, they're not going to stand up for them.

I think that I think Matt so well said and that's what I mean a lot of this is concerning.

I saw like Susan Collins.

Oh, this is only for everybody strongly the word and letter about concerning but it's it's troubling it's as a guy who spent a lot of time in the Republican Party who left in 2011 it saddens me and disturbs me that I haven't seen over the weekend one solitary current member of Congress Republicans speak out against this

And and to your point, Matt, we have heard from from great reporting by legitimate reporters in Washington off the record or on background that current members of Congress have told reporters that they will not stand up to Trump and these sort of actions because they are afraid for either their lives or their family's lives.

Right.

Yeah.

And not and not not only that, everybody out there listening, John and all you other Republicans.

How did Donald Trump turn the Republican Party?

from an American party to a Russian Communist Party opposing Europe.

How did he do that?

Why are you keeping quiet?

Todd's exactly right.

The Senate and the House are keeping quiet.

There was a congressman in Virginia had to hire a guard to take his eighth grade daughters to school, a Republican.

They're afraid for their lives, and that's gotta stop.

We'll come back, talk to Matt Flynn about something we can do.

Voting on April 1st, there is a very important Supreme Court race here in Wisconsin, and we will take Mack Flynn's temperature on that, and talk a little corn, beef, and cabbage.

Come on back, it's the All Balls Joe for St.

Patrick's in Centipede.

you'll be back soon you'll see you remember you belong to me you'll be back time will tell you remember that I served you well oceans rise empires fall we have seen each other through it all and when push comes to shove I will send a full

live

from the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C.

Donald Trump performing on stage today.

No, actually that's from Hamilton.

That's the king from Hamilton.

Matt, as we were talking about during the break there, Matt Flynn, of course, joins us.

A two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin and an attorney of Navy veteran and great author.

It's both funny and sad that that's just...

applicable today that number one that that Donald Trump is using these powers of a king to to run America right now and number two he fired the entire board of the Kennedy Center and named himself chairman and this is real he's going to hold the first meeting today on the stage at the Kennedy Center as the new chairman.

The problem for this is very very sad this guy is so insecure he's very jealous of John F. Kennedy's

glamour in American history.

So he takes over the Kennedy Center.

No good artist is ever going to perform there again.

Then he cut federal subsidies to the staff of the Kennedy Library in Boston.

And the only one, he didn't cut staff at any of the Republicans or Clinton or Carter.

And then the third thing he did is he co-ops a guy like

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who looks like his father, sounds like his father, but in fact is a very, very dishonest guy, and he further corrupts the legacy.

This guy, everything he touches turns to something bad, everything he

touches.

Was it Donald's Rick Wilson or Stephen, Stuart Stevens, one of the guys at Lincoln Project wrote a book, literally entitled, Everything Trump Touches Dies.

I think so.

I think that was Rick Wilson.

I think it was Rick Wilson.

True.

Yeah,

yeah.

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842, the chairman and president of the Matt Philly and the Fan Club in Northeast Wisconsin, Gene from Eau Claire, listening in on WCFWG.

No, he's a pleasure.

Let's see.

Wow,

wow, wow.

Thank you, Todd, for having the guy on.

Um, I just...

I can't believe what's going on in our country right now, Maddy.

He's setting everything, knocking down all policies, destruction of democracy.

But I want to ask a question regarding the Supreme Court of Wisconsin.

Now, I don't think I've asked different people and nobody knows how long Schimel would sit on that seat in the state of Wisconsin.

Am I?

under the understanding that whoever is elected like him or people were glad when he was gone with Walker and going after the affordable care and things that he's done destructively.

Is it ten years that we will suffer consequences even longer than President Trump and all of the different people that we are really concerned about?

This guy would be on for ten years.

Is that right?

Right.

And Gene, good to hear from you.

Yes, it is right.

He would serve till 2035.

You know how much damage he can do in 10 years?

Quite a bit.

We've got to stop him.

Crawford, Susan Crawford is excellent.

And Schimmel, frankly, isn't qualified.

I know Schimmel.

I actually had a matter, not a litigated matter, but I had occasion to meet with him when I was practicing law.

And there is no way that this guy can be on the Supreme Court.

There is a rule in Wisconsin law that says a judicial candidate can't solicit money.

And this guy said, quote, Menards ran out of knee pads.

I bought so many of them to get down in front of my donors.

And we need Elon Musk and Richard E-line or U-line.

to open their wallets, end quote.

That's a violation, that's a direct quotation.

That's a violation of Wisconsin law.

He can't be permitted to clog this thing for 10 years.

I didn't know that Brad Shibble batted for my team, but I think that's news to me.

Anyway, Matt, can you stick around for a couple more minutes after the topic?

Yeah,

sure.

All

right, because I want to get your take on a couple of things here.

More on the Supreme Court raise.

But this is great now.

My former pastor.

Sarah Cheney watching from beautiful Missouri on Facebook, you know, she baptized me with Jordan River water.

That's no joke.

That's real She writes in and she says of what Trump is doing here on this aliens Act the enemies act of 1798.

She says the intimidation Intended by the made for TV production in rounding up shaving the heads etc of the gang guys Are we now not a few steps away from martial law a plane full of journalists?

How is it possible to stop it Matt Flynn?

Yeah, and Pastor, I think you're exactly right.

And the thing about martial law is when you invoke it, it's very difficult legally to invoke it, but when you do, you can do whatever you want.

Well, martial law would be, let's say the Russians suddenly swarmed in from Alaska and Canada and were killing people in Minnesota, you invoke martial law.

But he now has a captive, Pam Bondi, a captive attorney general who would bless anything he did and say, invoke martial law.

In the last go-around, the AGs, the attorney generals, he had stood up to them.

She won't stand up to them.

If that happens, we want to avoid violence.

I want to make that clear.

But at some point, when this gets totally out of hand, what do you have is violence.

And that's why democracy is the best form of government that's ever been invented.

It's an antidote to violence.

Do you know that

I do hear Matt that every time Pam Bondi comes into a room now they have to play the James Bond theme?

Because she's

a Bondi girl.

She's a Bondi

girl.

She does.

She's basically a step for the

wife.

No, we're joking.

Just hang on to your pants everybody.

Alright, well Matt Flynn on the St.

Patrick's Day is still kind of gonna step around or stick around for at least one more segment here because when I come back Matt, I want to talk a little bit more about the Supreme Court race.

I have a theory.

I spent the weekend up in Shawnaw County, a very red county, and we had somebody come to my parents' door up there canvassing for Brad Schimmel.

I'll tell you what they said and what they gave him, and I want Matt Flynn's take on it.

Plus what's worse, and Terry Barr and St.

Patrick's Day, hour two is straight ahead.

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And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network.

and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm Tom Alba, along there, producer and engineer, Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board.

It is six past the hour of one o'clock.

Welcome to hour number two of the big program on this Monday, March 17th, 2025.

It is St.

Patrick's Day.

Thus, dressed in the old green plaid today, our friend, colleague, ongoing contributor, two-time chair of the Democratic Party, also an attorney.

veteran and author, we'll talk about that in just a minute.

Matt Flynn sticking around for a little bit of hour number two.

We always appreciate that.

And a full bird Irishman,

Mr. Flynn.

How are you, Matt?

And I have my green shirt on.

Good to be with you, Chad.

Great to be with you.

Chad, you make elbow.

That's very, very

good.

We're...

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

We didn't plan this out better because and we're going to talk about a couple of serious things in the Attorney General's race or the Supreme Court race in a minute.

But just kick off this hour because later on the bottom of the hour, the wonderful and talented Terry Barr from Civic Media is going to be here and bring us a Wisconsin St.

Patrick's Day story.

So looking forward to talking more about St.

Patrick's Day.

But here, Matt, we have Azamaris and I. I picked this up.

I saw this over the weekend.

This is

called Green River, Zesty Lime Soda, and it comes to us from the great Wisconsin company of Spreckers in Glendale, Wisconsin.

Now, we have not tried this.

All is dangerous trying things on the air, but here we go.

And remember, whenever you see

Me, your radio and streaming host, have a beverage.

It's a great opportunity for you, the home listening audience, to have a beverage as well.

So here we go, Zomers.

Here is what's called Green River Zesty Lime Soda from Speckers.

Here we go.

It tastes

like lime soda.

As my old football coach, the late grape of Vitus Rip was fond of saying, not bad.

For those of you listening who can't see it,

If you've ever seen Spider-Man directed by Sam Raimi starring Toby McGuire, the green goblin serum, like the juice they shoot in to turn Willem Dafoe into the green goblin, is what the soda looks like.

It is very green.

It's

very

tasty.

It is.

Maybe enjoy some alcoholic green beverages after the show, of course.

We'll see.

More on St.

Patrick's Day at the bottom of the hour, but Matt, I appreciate you sticking around.

Because I wanted to get into this Supreme Court raise a little bit before we do our what's worse and Over the weekend I was up seeing my dad and stepmom up in Seanal just west of Green Bay a very red county area of the state

And somebody from the Brad Schimmel, the conservative candidate, came to the door.

They had a computer.

It was obviously, you know, it was not just random.

They had one of these computers, so they had a list.

They had a list, which is funny because neither my dad nor my stepmom are Republican voters, but still they came to the door and they had a big oversize, we call them door hangers, because there's a loop for it to hang on the door, although they get stuffed in doors usually.

But on one side, it had a big picture, a flattering picture of Donald Trump, and it went on to list how Donald Trump is helping Wisconsin and helping America, and he needs help from Brad Schimmel.

And on the other side, it was an attack on the great Judge Crawford, Susan Crawford, who is running against Schimmel, and a bunch of exaggerations and mistruses against her.

Here's my question to you, Matt, as a former chairman two times on the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

It seems like the Democrat, at least some, not all.

It seems some Democrats want this race to be a referendum on Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

And they say, this will be great because they messed things up so badly.

Let's make it, you know, certainly people are sick and tired of these people already.

Let's make it a referendum on them.

I think the Republicans, of course, we can't talk about this anymore, really, because

It's not politically correct, but you know exactly what I mean about the old Uncle Rima story of Brer Rabbit.

And it seems like to me that this is the Republicans saying, you know, oh, don't talk about Donald.

This is I think they want it to be about Trump.

I think they want it to be a referendum because they need to.

There was a great piece by Joe Hendrick, former Republicans, an assembly person over the weekend, saying that in order for Schimel to win.

They need to get Trump voters that came out in November that aren't normally spring voters out, particularly in western Wisconsin.

I think they want this to be about Trump to turn out their base.

Yeah, that's an interesting insight.

Let me tell you what I think.

Shimmel has already said publicly that he will be a support network for Trump.

He said that in a big conference call to conservatives.

And he has made it clear that

He asked Elon Musk, Trump's guy, to open his wallet.

Now, I agree with the sentiment that the Democrats aren't just anti-Trump.

We stand for something.

But that said, I don't think you run away from it.

If a guy says, I want Elon Musk's money, open your wallet, and I'll be a support network for Trump, that's a valid point to make.

Beyond that, Susan Crawford is really a highly independent individual with a superb reputation as a judge, and Schimel is essentially an apparatchik.

He's a troll.

He's a Republican troll.

When I was in law school, afterwards I clerked for Tom Fairchild, one of the great judges in Wisconsin history on the Seven Circuit Court of Appeals.

No judge back then of either party would have been partisan.

Now it's ultra-partisan.

You can't run away from it.

But what I think is going to turn it around is what Trump is doing, not just on foreign policy, but domestic policy, and especially social security.

He has this guy must saying it's a Ponzi scheme and firing everybody at social security to slow it down, make mistakes, and then ultimately privatize it.

So the guy that came to your door, your father's door, up in Shawnau, not right now, but at some point when he doesn't get a social security check, at some point,

He's not going to vote for Trump, and therefore, he's not going to vote for Brad Schimmel.

I don't

disagree with that, but don't you think—oh, I shouldn't say it that way.

I'll give you my opinion until you think.

I've been saying this since day one, that I think it would behoove supporters of Susan Crawford and the Democratic Party to spend money and make this about promoting the fact that Brad Schimmel

supports Donald Trump's pardoning of the January 6 insurrectionists, including those who attacked law enforcement officers, including this guy from Pulaski who used bear spray on law enforcement and admitted it.

because I think that the Evers Johnson voters, the Trump Baldwin voters, I think that that goes against what they believe, attacking law enforcement.

And I wish that there'd be more emphasis put on, look, you might have voted for Trump in November, but do you really want the guy who supports attacking law enforcement officers to be on the Wisconsin State Supreme Court?

I think a lot of people would say, no, that's not for me.

Maybe they wouldn't vote for Crawford, but maybe they'd stay home and not vote for Brad Schimel.

And look, I'm a guy who, you know, I want everybody to participate.

democracy and vote, but if I'm back in my role when I used to be a partisan operative, you want your people to turn out and the other people not to.

That's just about winning, baby, as Al Davis said.

I think you made an excellent point.

In other words, don't just say Elon Musk and Trump or the people supporting Schimel.

Get down where the chickens can get.

As you once said and say.

Do you want somebody and you can say that Brad Schimmel supports anything you want that Trump did because he can't come out and say he doesn't.

He can't diss Trump.

So you say, yeah, he supports the people who beat Michael Fanone almost to death.

He supports people who bear sprayed people.

He supports people who went through to hang Mike Pence.

Is that who you want?

A guy that supports that?

And then what is Schimmel going to do?

No, no, I don't support any of that.

But I support Trump.

I like it.

I like exactly your strategy.

Quick call, Ollie from the Northwoods, 855-752-4842.

If it could be quick, Ollie, please go ahead.

I just would like to comment, make a comment about an email that I received from Jen from Principal Pact.

And I first off would like to thank her for the

wonderful laugh I had reading her email.

She said that we shouldn't support Crawford because she was a far-left lunatic, basically, and that you should vote for Brad Schimmel.

And I'm thinking I would have loved to just say, hey, Jen, Brad Schimmel has no principles.

How can you're packed?

support

him.

Right.

Appreciate it, Ollie.

Matt, we see a lot of this, of course, these PACs who would try to distort things.

Yeah, actually, Ollie, thanks for calling in.

And you really hit the nail in the head.

This kind of stuff is going on all over the place.

The people behind those emails are not just average people.

The people behind those emails have financial interests.

They have their hooks and Brad Schimmel.

Period, end of story.

They're trying to make it look like the average person.

They're not the average person.

Right.

Elon Musk doesn't give a damn about the average person.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Let's go to Milwaukee, W-A-U-K, quickly.

Charles, you can make it quick, please.

30 seconds or less.

Let's go ahead.

Yep, Todd, I'm upset like you.

I watched that debate, and I was waiting, except for my wife.

I wish she would bring up about Brad Schimel.

saying that the January 6th rioters were treated bad.

I'm like you, that needs to be right at the top of her going after him.

You can't claim you backed the blue, but then you support these people that beat cops and tried to kill them

that day.

100% appreciated, Matt.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head too.

Excellent, because she did what she could in that debate.

She did a very fine job.

I thought you did great, by the

way.

She's tough.

She's tough.

She really is in a good way.

But there's some things that could be said.

And if she's listening to her people, go around the state in your speeches and say exactly what he just said.

Yeah.

Minute left, Matt Flynn.

What's worse today, we're going to give you the first crack at it.

What's worse, morning people or night people.

You gotta love him both.

I'm a morning person, by the way.

Remember, I used to do the morning show at Civic Media from six to eight.

I'd get up at 430.

With Zombers.

Yeah, with Mrs. Zombers.

Absolutely.

Those were the days, my friend.

I thought they'd never end.

However, having said that, the fact of the matter is, there's nothing like a sunrise.

Nothing like a sunrise.

Speaking of that, we'll go ahead, Zombers.

What are you going to

say?

I do have to agree there's nothing like a sunrise, like going out.

and especially being outside.

like for hunting, if you're just sitting outside and getting to watch the sunrise and hear everything come to life is fantastic.

Yeah, agreed.

I mean, ironically, we were talking about El Salvador earlier because one of my favorite things in life to do is there's a little place on the Pacific coast in El Salvador called Costa del Sol and I went to a little place there and I make sure I get up before sunrise and I walk along the Pacific coastline and watch the sun come up and it's beautiful.

You see fishermen out there casting their nets.

I've run across sea turtles and and it's just it's magical.

And really in the sunrises are absolutely.

magical.

Matt Flynn quickly got a minute left.

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Matthew J. Flynn, always a pleasure.

Thanks, Matt.

We'll talk to you soon.

Good to talk to you.

Good to be here.

Back after this.

Hey, take a read.

for St.

Patrick's Day on the Pacific media radio, title of all along, Mr. Aaron Zommer is 21 past the hour of one o'clock.

You can, this music were playing this off of my one of my favorite Irish albums, direct from, these are real Irish guys called The High Kings.

This album is a self titled album.

The High Kings, The High Kings, they performed in Wisconsin and the last, they actually performed at the Barrymore in Madison a couple of years back.

And I kicked myself because I found out the day after the performance.

So hopefully the next time it's unfortunate.

I know I can I can go and see him there It's really a great album will play more of that as the as the day continues buddy.

Thanks to Matt Flynn For being on the program.

We always appreciate his perspective Jeff watching on YouTube my story earlier about watching the sunrise over the Pacific in El Salvador He says wait the sunrise is in the east over the Atlantic.

All right, you got me there All right, why Jeff you got me a

I guess if I'm accurate because El Salvador's coastline is you know curved it's not it's not straight and so as you walk down the coastline yes the sun is I guess coming up over the land but it looks like because of the curvature of the earth and the shoreline it appears there's coming up basically along the beach but yes you're technically correct last time I checked yes the sun rises in the east but

You know, you can't see the Atlantic side from El Salvador because they're the only country in Central America that does not have a Gulf Coast in the Gulf of Mexico, by the way, a Gulf Coast line or the Caribbean, depending upon where you're at.

I did not know that.

Now you do.

All right, 23 minutes past the hour.

What a clock time for a quick round of what's worse.

Let's

go.

It's again for a speed round of what's worse, nothing to give away, no prizes involved, but it is your chance to be heard across all 11 stations in the Civic Media radio network.

Coming up at the bottom of the hour, just after Terry Barr on St.

Patrick's Day, but right now what's worse, and this is timely, as we said, timely indeed, according to Mike Lucas, as he likes to say, because a lot of people on St.

Patrick's Domers will be out partying tonight, or they will not necessarily be.

Morning people.

But today's what's worse.

Morning people or night people.

Morning people or night people.

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It's free is what gale king at CBS calls a deal the civic media app was worse morning people or night people 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Dave listening in New Berlin says I'm a morning person Although I must say night people get the best because if they are quote unquote super hard core night people

You get to see the sunset in the evening and the sunrise when the party is over.

That's a great point, Dave.

I did not think about

that.

And then you just sleep all day.

All right.

That was one thing that was nice when I was working third shift was getting to see sunrise and sunset.

Right.

That

was about the only nice thing.

Yeah, pretty much, right?

8557524842.

What's worse, morning people or night people?

eight five five seven five two four eight four two.

I like for those watching on the stream on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, a lovely picture that CP has put for the morning person, an Irish looking man, kind of an Auburn beard with blue eyes.

And very relaxed fair skinned.

Yeah.

Looks like he could be a photograph for a like a beard oil.

That is what it looks like, isn't it?

And then the person that he says, a woman just looking completely disheveled and not happy as a night person.

I mean, I

think there's some bias in this picture

here.

Maybe.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Sherry, listening in beautiful Huracan, went to buy Huracan over the weekend.

Sherry, thanks for calling morning people or night people.

What's worse?

Good job.

Hi, Todd Merrin.

How are you guys doing?

Doing

great.

I love

your show.

Well, thank you.

I'm right now making shepherd's pie for St.

Paddington.

Excellent.

That's

awesome.

It's baking right now.

So I am definitely a morning person.

I wake up at like 6, 5, 4, 30.

Wow.

But I like, I rearrange my rooms so I can watch.

the moon and the stars at night through my window.

So I really like nighttime better than morning.

But I, unfortunately, you know, after years, you're getting up so early, your body just knows it's

trying to get

off.

And it's like, no, I want to think like three more hours, please.

I feel

that.

Which one I am.

I

feel that.

Well, thank you, Sherry.

Enjoy the jumpers pie and happy St.

Patrick's Day.

Appreciate your listenership.

All right.

Happy St.

Patrick's Day.

Bye-bye.

And to you as well.

Thank you so much.

855-752-4842-855-752-4842.

What's worse, morning people or night people?

We have Jane Inoclair saying, this is Jane Inoclair on WCFW.

The tap, I think that night people are worse, especially after drinking is involved.

Well, yes, late at night, those were five, absolutely.

Tyler listening in on Columbia County says, morning, people are worse, unless you're a wonderful snowplow driver.

If your vehicle makes loud noises at four a.m., it is the worst alarm clock.

Yeah, I had an apartment one time that my apartment was right below the underground parking garage door.

And so like the trash pickup people were not supposed to come until after eight.

But they would regularly come at like six o'clock in the morning and you hear the beep, beep, beep, you're backing up.

That is unfortunate.

Just like, well, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Do a little what's worse for you.

We'll see if we get one more call in here before the before the top of the hour.

Or probably the bottom of the hour eight five five seven five two four eight four two We have Sean listening in Watertown Sean morning people or night people what's worse?

Morning any particular reason?

Grumpy.

Grumpy.

I like that.

All right.

Very good.

Thank you, Sean, for listening.

Thanks for calling in.

Uh, I would say, uh, I would say more.

I don't know.

We'll ask Terry Barr.

We'll come back.

Talk about that with Terry Barr.

Also, St.

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Oh, Todd Albaugh.

Now I have to live up to all of that.

You can easily.

A very kind introduction.

And Aaron Zommer's with the music.

How are you?

It's fantastic to have you here.

Before we get into Patrick's Day, I want to just put a button that we're doing on what's worse there before the break.

Today's what's worse, morning people or night people.

In your long and storied journalistic career, I know you've done both nights and mornings, but so in your opinion, what's worse, morning people or night people?

Oh my goodness.

I'm going to go with Morning People.

I've done morning shows, yes, where you get up in the middle of the night.

But what I was always shocked about was how joyful and happy people could be at that time.

And

it

took me a good bit of coffee and other things to help me just be happy and joyful at two in the morning when everybody else is going to

bed.

No, I think I agree with you.

I mean, I didn't do it regularly like you did, but back at WRCO on the weekends, I would sign on.

And, you know, back in those days, you know, you were actually off the air overnight.

And so you had to restart the transmitter and take the readings and get everything going and then sign on to the Star Spangled Banner at two minutes before five o'clock.

And then you were on CBS News anyway.

And I'm like, I mean, that's why I started drinking coffee.

back in high school when I was doing this shift, because you'd get there at four o'clock in the morning.

Because back in those days, Zomer's, we didn't have something called the Internet.

And so there was, I just missed the teletype machine, but there was the dot matrix printers, and it would print off rolls of the editing.

You actually have to tear your stories.

And it took me a while to read.

So I would, I would agree with you, morning people at worst.

Yeah.

All right.

And Zomer's, quickly, your vote on that.

I think I'm going to go with the same thing just because.

Both morning and night people can be annoying if loud vehicles versus loud parties.

But for me, it's the condescending, the way they condescend.

For night people, the way they condescend is like, oh, you old man, you got to go to bed early.

And I'm like, OK, I'm going to sleep.

I don't have to worry about it.

For morning people, it's like, oh, you can't get up and be happy in the morning.

It's like, shut up.

I'm so tired.

Thank

you.

Thank you.

You know, salty Zombers.

I love it.

Wow.

You said it like it is.

Yeah.

He's picking up on Matt Flynn.

It'll be Aaron Zombers direct.

No filter.

Terry, you do these great slice of Wisconsin stories that get broadcast on civic media.

I love each and every one of them, and you're bringing us today a great story, because I love taking national or international days and giving it a Wisconsin perspective.

Tell us what you found out in Wisconsin about St.

Patrick's Day.

Well, I found out that there is a town, many people know as New London.

And this is in northeast Wisconsin.

And then I found out they have a group there called the Shamrock Club.

Well, they do some shenanigans on St.

Patrick's Day.

And not just the day, the entire week is now considered an Irish festival celebration in New London.

But it all begins with something the group does.

on this day.

And I talked to Ryan Lanning.

He is the lead leprechaun of the Shamrock Club.

And here's what he tells me about what is happening there.

It started over 40 years ago and it's just been a tradition ever since that on the Monday of our St.

Patrick's week is we always have leprechaun day and the leprechauns are responsible for changing the population signs symbolically from New London to New Dublin and then they visit various schools and nursing homes and.

basically everywhere they can go, they go and visit everybody, get them excited and pumped up for the week and start getting things ready.

How excited are people sort of leading up to what they know you'll do in the exchange of the signs, but then also knowing you go to schools and all these other visits that the leprechauns make?

I love

that.

Extremely excited.

You know, we bring smiles more than anything and we like to enlighten our community.

That's part of what we're about.

And truthfully, I think everybody looks forward to seeing us, seeing the green suits and all.

mischief and shenanigans that we like to pull.

There will be plenty of them to be had on Monday.

That's for sure.

It's just a great time for everybody.

You

sign off on

your email with a word.

What is that?

Solancia.

Solancia and that's Gaelic for health.

Usually if you're in an Irish pub and you order a drink, the bartender, you could you could toast your neighbor to say the word Solancia and that's how you would toast your your drink.

Just means to health.

Let's say it again.

Solancia.

Solancia.

Solancia.

All you ever wanted to know about New London becoming New Dublin and not just for today, but for the entire week.

Every single day, they have some different kind of Irish thing happening, whether it's today with the leprechauns changing the sign and wearing green, then they've got some other, you know, they play games, they have Celtic music, they teach dance lessons during this week.

So you can learn to do an Irish type of jig.

That's amazing.

I love it so much.

I've

learned so much of that piece, not least of which is Salon Chah, because I went to Irish pubs, I thought they were saying Salon Tro, and I'm like, well, not everybody is into that.

But

no, Salon Chah.

You heard me.

I had to ask him several times.