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I'm Todd Albaugh along their outstanding producer and engineer, Mr. Aaron Zommers, on the board.
It is six past the hour of one o'clock on this Wednesday, March 12th, 2025.
You wanted to make up for being late last
see.
We had a camel that came early.
Welcome.
Very good.
Glad to have you along.
Anyway, it's great to have you.
How about the first tower?
Many thanks to Trig V. Olson, senior advisor at the Lincoln Project.
Absolutely fantastic.
And then, quite low, you know, in between, autograph appearances stops by in person.
So that was great.
He's busy.
We're doing this event for the Supreme Court race at five o'clock this afternoon, so five until seven.
Bring it back here.
I'll keep it tuned here all day, but specifically for that great program, a great panel discussion from five until seven here on Civic Media.
And then if you're wanting to watch the Supreme Court debate, you can do that at seven o'clock.
We are not just, you know, people, I've had some texts.
We are not carrying it because there's all kinds of legal things going on and the people who are in control of it, the TV station in Milwaukee who's doing that, they said no.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
So, but due to it in from five until seven and then still plenty of time to watch the debate between the Supreme Court folks in whatever form you want to do that at seven o'clock.
Coming up a little bit later this hour or pardon me What's worse?
Segment dealing with slivers or paper cuts.
Oh But right now and I'm very excited about this Last the last segment there before the news we are talking about the fact that the University of Wisconsin Madison curling team the curlers are national champions over the weekend
They knocked off the University of our Michigan Tech University five to three to claim the crown.
And quite low and tricky when I were talking about curling, neither of our none of us have done it.
But here now, and this is one of the many reasons I love doing this show is our listeners.
One of our long time listeners from the beautiful Berg of Rio, we have Chico from Rio.
And I love saying that.
Chico from Rio joins us via the phone.
He was listening called into the break Chico.
I understand you in fact are a curler
That's correct.
Yeah, that's correct.
I've been playing it for about four years now and I absolutely love it I'm a very competitive person and at that point in time I couldn't play softball anymore So I'd look for something that was competitive and and curling was it and I don't want to
make it sound like it's super competitive.
You strive to do the best you can personally, as well as a team, but it sets up a precise sport.
It's kind of like golf every once in a while.
You know, you make that good shot and you think you can do that every time.
And the same way with curling, the only difference here is that when you hit the golf ball, it's going to land where it stops.
And the other hand, when you release the rock, it may not go where it was intended to go and you can
Altered its course by sweeping it.
So it's not just shuffleboard on a slippery surface surface.
I love this thank you called in I love the fact that you picked this game up four years ago What what what made you want to get into curling
Chico?
What really got me interested in it was the Olympics, uh, oh, maybe eight years ago or something.
And I was looking at the shots that we're making and, and what was really good is that the commentators were talking about the strategy of the game.
I can't, I can't possibly imagine what has to go in the skip.
He's the captain of the team and throws the last two rocks.
has to be thinking in his head when he's trying to figure out where he wants the net's rock to go.
And can the person that's actually throwing that rock, are they capable of that shot?
Or maybe just one out of three times.
And if he misses, is there another way that we can alter that rock and maybe do something else with it?
So I'm the lead.
That means I throw the first rock.
And usually my rocks are always knocked off there by the time the end is over.
But yes.
And the nice thing too, it's a very, I talked about the competitiveness and that's a personal thing, but it's a very sportsman like sport.
Before and after every match, you shake hands with the opposition and you all wish them good curling.
Our clubhouse has probably many heads, has large round tables that you can have eight people sit at it afterward.
And so afterwards we commune and because I
Because I had lived in Portage, I had already known one third of the people that were in the club.
And then I met the other two thirds over the last four years.
And they're just all good people.
They're just from all walks of life.
And it's just work that you can do forever.
People use sticks.
They can't bend down.
I was a volunteer the last two years when we hosted a national wheelchair.
curling event, which is, you know, people on a wheelchair.
So it's just a sport that is very interesting.
It's very competitive.
I enjoy going.
I curl once a week, sometimes twice a week, but mostly just once.
And I look forward to that night.
And not just what happens on the ice, but also what happens afterward.
I think this is such a cool story.
I appreciate you calling in uh and one of you mentioned the olympic is inspiring you and correct me if i'm wrong one of the gold medalists on on one of the last couple olympic olympic teams is from wisconsin right
right
right right i mean i think that's a great
connection it's kind of ironic to um kind of remember this this girl um my memory fails me here but less than a year will block away from me is
um
or an Olympia Olympic triller.
Wow.
And, uh, yeah.
So it's just, well, you know, and the thing that's also, and I don't quote me on this, but I've been told that Columbia County has more trilling ranks than any county in the country.
Really?
See, I would have thought it would have been somewhere by superior or Hayward or one of those Northern counties, but here, here in South Central Wisconsin, Columbia County.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We have five in our county and they're, they're, and they're not.
Portage is the biggest of all those and you have point net and you have party bill and you have lower value of Arlington and they all have their little curling rinks and yeah we curl at their places once in a while yeah it's a wonderful history yeah some of the stuff that we have at the curling club of the old rocks and what they used to be like I mean they were rocks right they were called rocks for a reason because it was a rock and they used to in portings
because we had a built-in ice sheet in the portage when the canal would freeze over, they would, you know, plow the snow out, they would curl on the canal at that time.
Portage is a real history that way about.
Oh, yeah.
It's a beautiful town.
Yeah, a lot of history important.
Thank you.
Well, hey, thank you.
Thank you, Chico, for your listenership.
We always appreciate it.
Thank you for calling in and sharing this with us because it's a quintessential Wisconsin, not just winter, but we think about it more winter game and a pastime.
And as you point out, a great way to just build community and we need more of that now than ever.
Yep.
Keep up the
fight.
Hey, thank you, Chico.
Great, great job.
And thanks for calling.
Thank you, Chico.
Chico in Rio.
How about that, Zomers?
I mean, see, that's that's one of these things where people say, well, how do you put your show together?
And I say, well, sometimes I come in and we got we got kind of a show.
And then all of a sudden something happened and all of a sudden we got a show.
And right there, we didn't set any of that up.
It was just Chico being a great listener and calling in.
And what a great explainer and storyteller.
And I think he nailed it.
like so many of our activities in Wisconsin that get us through the winter.
Or I know now with indoor rings, you could do it anytime.
You could just hear it in his voice that it's the relationships, the friendships that he has built with people in curling that mean as much to him as the sport itself.
I didn't know there were that many, particularly in Columbia County, just Northern Madison.
So super cool.
Thank you, Chico.
We appreciate that.
And once again, congratulations to the University of Wisconsin Madison curling team.
Their second straight title, yes, or on Sunday afternoon over Michigan Tech.
five to three.
I didn't, uh, I forgot to ask him 66 points.
Like, is that really high or how that was guns and got the badgers got 66.
So, uh, congrats to them.
And thanks for, uh, to Chico for, for calling in his 15 now past the hour of one o'clock time once again for what's worse.
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This is one of those numbers where it's like, you say it, it's like, don't talk about it.
Because timely, because I think also it's going to be tax time.
And you and I are still waiting to do our taxes.
We won't go into why.
But oh,
Oh, you did?
Yeah, I should check the mail.
We had a little side venture.
We were waiting for some tax forms to come through, but apparently they did.
So that's fantastic.
And so what people are doing, a lot of people, you still have to use some like your W2, whatever, like some of these things are still paper.
And while you're doing all this, occasionally you will get a paper cut.
Ugh, I know, I hate it.
So, the what's worse for today?
What's worse?
A sliver or a paper cut?
A sliver.
or a paper cut.
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John, uh, about 30 seconds.
What's worse, a sliver or a paper cut?
Sliver.
Sliver.
Any reason why?
Because I was, I was building a church one day and I come down off the trusses and I
I had to go to the doctor because he's had a sliver was between the digital nerve and the bone.
Oh my gosh.
Oh You
poor guy and yet
had to go
to the doctor
from a thousand You could die from a thousand paper cuts, but yes one sliver And it's over
Little paper cuss in my face is flush, can we loosen up?
Spilling coffee cups on a crowded bus, is it just too much?
Little paper cuss in my face is flush, can we loosen up?
Or a sliver.
Welcome back to the town hall ball show of the civic media ready to work 21 now past the hour of one o'clock on Wednesday, March 12th, 2025, Zomers on the board right in the middle of our what's worse for today segment.
Or what's worse for today?
I don't know.
Today is what's worse.
That's a better way to say it.
And this Zomers, I've been talking over over a break here.
He's been sharing stories.
I'm not sure nothing terribly wrong.
It's just you and you hear it.
It's like
it gives you the it gives you what it does.
It gives you the heebie jeebies.
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We have, pardon me, we have a caller on WAUK saying slivers are worse because you have to dig it out.
And that's the story you were telling about in a friend that thought they got it out.
Well, you go ahead.
So my high school trombone teacher.
uh, one day was working on his house and next time I saw him, he had a bandage on his hand and he's like, yeah, I got this sliver and it's, I think I might have gotten it out, but I think part of it broke off and it's still stuck in there.
And then I saw him the next week for my trombone lesson and he told me the story that he went to the doctor for them to go take it out and
The doctor is looking and trying to find it and doesn't see it.
And it's like, well, you still feel it in there.
We're going to look.
So they numbed up his hand and he watched as the doctor poked around and tried to find it.
Turns out it wasn't in there anyway.
And so it was just all for the unfortunate.
What's
worse, a sliver or a paper cut?
Steve listening to W.A.U.K.
Milwaukee says metal slivers are the worst.
But in general,
A paper cut is worse.
Now, see particularly like for welders or people that work with metal, a metal sliver is that could just be they get infected really easily.
Dave in New Berlin listening in saying they both blow.
I'll pass on both.
Yeah, neither one are good, right?
Brian listening on W. A. U. K. Milwaukee says a paper cut is worse.
It burns any time you wash your hands.
Use hand sanitizer or when the paper cut is in the crease bend of your finger and mine always go in those spots because the photo we had up was this little clean paper cut at the end of your finger.
Mine are always like on a on a knuckle or the crease of your hand like they were saying.
Yeah, absolutely.
And Brian adds it also takes days to heal.
Yeah.
Uh, Jack listening in Merrimack on WAUK was worse, a sliver or a paper cut says slivers.
Definitely.
Like the Trump administration, they're a constant irritation, difficult to remove completely and can have serious effects even after removal.
He's not wrong.
Well, well written, Jack.
Well written.
Uh, Tyler.
Listing on WM DX in Columbia County, which is land of the curlers as it turns out Tyler says a sliver is worse as You could tape a paper cut even if you don't have a bandage.
However, the more onward The movie onward that is has magic and every fiber and I also believe some prairie tub rink Oh has a curling club.
All right, so I have to ask Mathers about that if he's ever been curling in
in some prairie uh we're doing what's worse what's worse slivers or a paper cut uh what else we have here uh lend in madison says it's comparable in scope the sliver is worse until removed after which the paper cut may be worse in healing and also dj listening up there a beautiful was all wisconsin land of w xio says paper cuts are worse because you can at least dig them
Dig a sliver out.
Oh, dig a sliver out.
Okay.
Thank you.
Paper cuts are a waiting game to heal.
Yeah.
That's the DJ in the saw, not the shaw, but the saw.
Very, very different places.
Yeah.
I don't know, Zombers.
What do you, what do you think?
Paper cuts or slivers?
I
Right.
Sometimes a paper cut can hurt more at the beginning when you get like, Oh, geez, it just stings.
Right.
Um, and particularly, I don't want to gross people out, but when it's not like a thin piece of paper,
thicker type of paper or materiality, get a paper cut, those are just,
And into one of the other listeners points, I've.
got the paper cut and thought it was okay.
And then like an idiot started eating popcorn and literally got salt to the wound.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, that doesn't feel good.
But no, I would, I would join you.
And I think the majority of listeners overall, the paper, pardon me, overall, the slivers worse for the reason stated that especially if it breaks off or you can't, it can really fester and just, you can put a bandaid kind of over a paper cut, but even if you put a bandaid over a sliver,
Well, my grandma used to always say put a piece of white tape over like a sliver that's not in very far And it'll pull it out and that kind of works
credit card.
What am I Graham or my grandparents?
My grandmother's she asked you to have a neighbor Jesse
Jesse lived over the hill and and Jesse was wonderful and lovely But she was a little different and one time my grandma called her and said oh I got this I have this sliver She said I don't know why I can't so sore and Jesse said well Mary or Mary She called her her real name is Marguerite and she called her Mary Marguerite for whatever reason Mary Marguerite put Vaseline in your eye And my grandma said Jesse that's not gonna do anything for my sliver and she said no, but I'll make you forget all about it.
And the thing is, she wasn't, that was really the way she was.
Good old Jesse.
Our own Casper says, what's worse than both of those is my older brother shooting me in the leg with a BB gun?
Wait, he says he still has it in his leg.
It's been there 35 years.
I've grown attached to it.
I wonder, when Casper, you see that he travels,
When he goes through the metal detector, does his leg go
I'd be interested to know as well.
I'd be.
That's terrible.
Well, Jude in East Troy says we heat our house with wood so we wear gloves.
No problem there.
Well, there you go.
There's a smart person.
Come on back, take a news weather and sports break, and then discuss some more headlines.
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$25,000 pyramid.
That's right.
Donald Trump offering Department of Employee Department of Health and Human Service employees $25,000.
And no, there is no speed round and Dick Clark is not involved.
Welcome back to the show.
Everybody title of all along Mr. Aaron Sommers on the board 34 minutes past the hour of one o'clock.
I love that theme.
So play a little bit more.
The old, this is the old $25,000 period with Dick Clark.
Our, uh, our
Collette, let me run a little bit.
Uh, Jane McNair, I'm Matt Nairnair this morning.
Uh, she was listening to our other friend, Pat Freitlow, talked about, I guess today is the, uh, the founding of Batman, the old TV show.
And so Jane and Greg were having a lot of fun in their show, asking people, what old TV show do you miss?
And and for my money, some of the game shows from like the 70s and early 80s.
I mean, this one in particular, now they have it back.
We turn it off.
But that note, now we have like the hundred thousand dollar or million, I don't know, a huge amount of money pyramid.
And it's hosted by Michael Strahan, who does a great job.
And certainly better than I could.
But there was just something about Dick Clark when he hosted it back in its prime time or it was in the mornings, but it was in its prime.
Maybe it was ran afternoons as well.
But the the $25,000 pyramid.
And look, I people are going to say, Todd, this is no joke.
I get it.
This is not a joke, the implication.
But sometimes you got to have a little humor about it to grab people's attention to show how idiotic some of these things are.
I mean, who would have ever thought that we would be taking us whatever metaphor you want to say, Sledgehammer, chainsaw, whatever.
And look, as a former Republican who worked at both the state government and the federal government, yes, of course, there are always efficiencies that can be had.
There's always places you could do an audit and say, okay, these folks and this department are doing great.
Over here, we have a department that might not be serving the original purpose anymore.
Or nobody asked what they were really doing.
Or does this department really need as much money as they have?
Or can we transfer that somewhere else in government to do a better job?
Those are reasonable.
efficiencies, reasonable audits, reasonable reviews that I think we should be doing on government because ultimately the government is run by our taxpayer dollars.
But what I just said is not what's happening in Washington, D.C.
right now with Elon Musk and Donald Trump through their made up department of Doge.
As I said, I like to call it doggy, not Doge.
Because it's not an official department, it's not an official agency, it was just made up.
And Trump has given Elon Musk a private citizen purview to do whatever the hell he wants.
And the Republicans in Congress have done little to stymie this.
So last Friday, all employees of the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services were notified
of the option to voluntarily resign, that's the term they use, in exchange for a $25,000 payment.
According to a source familiar with the situation who told CBS News, the department-wide email offered equal voluntary separation incentive payment, unquote, the source said, employees have been given until the 14th of March.
To reply to the deadline today is the 12th So the end of the week take 25 grand and hit the road Jack or Jill Because you know what's coming next And according to the story here the offer is part of the Trump administration's effort to slash the sides of the federal workforce Shrink the government's budget through mass layoffs and financial cuts So if these
poor folks Don't take this $25,000 buyout and they have a job at the US Department of Health and Human Services under JFK Junior Likelihood is they could very well be on the chopping block and receive nothing And this way Musk and Trump get to say well they weren't fired we gave them an option to stay if they wanted But they they chose to retire
leave for 25 grand.
If I were in that position, I'd be very suspect whether you're ever gonna see that 25 grand, by the way.
And of course, and here we are, what time is it?
It's 39 minutes past the hour of one o'clock.
We are now fully one hour and coming up on 40 minutes in three, two, one bingo.
We are one hour and 40 minutes into the show.
And I am just now getting to tell you that overnight Donald Trump effectively has brought the US Department of Education to his knees and a memo put out to employees Giving them a day's notice said you had to be out of the building for the US Department of Education by 6 p.m.
Last night and overnight
Half of the workforce 1200 people plus in the US Department of Education were told they're gone And again to reiterate this isn't about Hey, could we do a review an audit and fine efficiencies?
Yeah, that's not that's not what this is about This is about someone from outside of government fine
but with no experience in knowledge of government, not fine, making mass cuts to federal employees with no regard for their personal life, not fine, and even greater still, no regard what these agencies do for Americans across the country, not fine.
And instead of doing it with a scalpel, they're using a chainsaw.
We saw these guys Cut you know fire the people in charge of the nuclear weapons then tried to hire them back remember and couldn't find there because they didn't have their personal email So it took them forever to track some of these people down.
I don't think someone was still didn't come back And what's worse if it could get any worse is the fact that Trump and Musk are doing this Under the auspices of hey, we're gonna save Americans money
But this is how they're going to fund their $2 trillion plus tax break for billionaires.
It's a huge grift for billionaires.
And the most tragic part is many of the supporters of Trump
who voted on good faith and said, look, the guy might not be my cup of tea.
He says some crazy things.
He disappoints me in his words and even some of his actions.
But you know what?
My family's hurting.
And he at least is telling me he's gonna help my family and bring down the price on my heating bill and give me more money so I could buy my kids boots.
And maybe I could afford to buy a pair of eyeglasses for myself and my kids, not from some fancy place, but from Walmart or Shopco.
the eyeglass place that still left.
And so in good faith, folks voted for that.
And that ain't what they're getting.
What they're getting back is a political middle finger.
As prices continue to soar, the economy continues to go down.
We're we're staring a recession straight in the face.
And Donald Trump does not.
because at the end of the day, this was one big grift.
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Jack, listen in Merrimack.
Jack, thanks for calling in.
What say you?
Yeah, this is, I think you pointed this out too.
A lot of this is just distraction and misdirection.
I mean, doge, incompetently and unlawfully firing civil servants.
By the way, I read about this and I don't know if it's true or not, but I've read that when the Agency for International Development refers to flat-out follow orders, a private security firm with not real law enforcement was hired to break into their offices.
and force the illegal order.
There were reports of that,
yes.
Yeah, I think you're going to call something like this happened to another president who ordered the illegal break-in, and he was forced out of office.
Unfortunately, this is probably not going to happen to this guy.
But as you say, this is all distraction.
They want to take Social Security and Medicare and cut them to pay trillions in tax welfare to the richest.
and grossly rich corporations.
They want to, oh, by the way, they also want to take the trust funds for these, which are not part of the national debt or deficit, by the way, by law, they're not.
Um, and, and, and they want to basically throw them onto the Wall Street casino.
Uh, and of course that'll boost the stock market, which is owned, of course, mostly by the rich.
Um, I think it's even worse than this though.
When people figure this out, they're not going to be happy.
I recall reading, uh, maybe going back as far as the Reagan administration.
Republicans enacted their whole agenda.
There'd never be another Republican administration voted in awe.
But
even you bring you bring Jack you I mean you you like me or all of the member Reagan and being in office and everything I agree with everything you just said but even today's so-called Republicans which are manga folks Trump people They don't even follow what Reagan said even Ronald Reagan said look if you cut Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare that's going to do nothing for the deficit
Even Reagan got that and worked with Tip O'Neill to help stabilize and save Social Security for a time.
And it's just ironic to me as a former Republican that today's people who want to use that title and moniker don't even go along with Ronald Reagan.
Well, yeah, that's not terribly surprising.
They've got Project 2025 to work.
with.
You know, how are the meds going to get back into office?
I mean, you know, there's constant elections and referendum order exhaustion.
So that's a form of order suppression.
I'm sure that like with the Wisconsin Supreme Court race, they're going to throw millions into state races, and even more billions into federal legislative races.
But I think they've got further plans.
If that doesn't work, there's severe voter suppression.
The Republicans even bragged about doing that in Wisconsin, remember?
This one is called the Save Act, as in suppress all voter eligibility.
I don't think that's really what it's supposed to stand for.
If that isn't even enough, if they see by the polls, that's enough, and they're still afraid they might lose, what are they going to do?
Thanks, Jack.
I appreciate it.
No, we've talked about this program before that, you know, the 2026 elections, we have to be vigilant to make sure that they do continue up until this point.
Our elections have been free and fair.
But the 2026 election, we have to be vigilant on this to make sure that it continues.
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Gene, listening on WCFW.
Got tongue-tied there for a second, but Gene never is.
Gene O'Claire, thanks for calling in.
What say you, Gene?
Hi.
I think we need to look at this at a very serious perspective.
And that is people who have been abused.
They've been ridiculed.
They've been put down.
Their friends have been broken up and they give up.
And I watch Zelensky as Trump went after him.
and abusive behaviors by him and the VP and others and the people that are left the Magus who have histories of abusive personalities, people need to stand up against abuse.
People were lied to and they were lied to by various factions but we need to come together and say we're not going to take this abuse because this is abusive personality.
They are going to hit you from every angle, go after the farmers, go after the healthcare professionals, go after everybody.
So we need to unite and fight back against abuse.
Thank you.
Thanks, Jane.
Always appreciate the call.
Have a great day up there.
Beautiful Eau Claire on WCF W8557524842 8557524842 brought up project 2025.
I've been wanting to get to this for some time and thank goodness.
It was brought up.
We're tracking project 2025.
It was all made up, they said.
It's not real.
Well, we'll check the tracker.
How are they doing on it when we come back?
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six until eight, although in that five to seven block tonight, joined Dan Schaefer, Pat Crightlow and myself for a special forum and panel as we discussed the implications of things that are up for grabs in this very, uh,
important state Supreme Court race coming up on April 1st.
That special broadcast is from five until seven this afternoon and into the evening.
Looking forward to that.
And then the, uh, the big Supreme Court debate is coming up tonight.
Again, civic.
does not have the rights to carry that, but you can find it, as they say, in your local listings.
Let's go quickly to the phone lines, 855-752-4842, up to beautiful Appleton, Wisconsin, CAM, enlisting in Appleton.
CAM, thanks for calling in.
What do you have?
Good afternoon, guys.
Todd, I actually have a question for you that I'm going to propose.
Now, you and maybe Colin, listen, know my stance on what I think happened to the election with it being hacked.
based off of the evidence from each of the states, I'm gonna propose to you the question that based off of everything that we know so far, where all the safeguards have failed us in regards to keeping people from dismantling our government as they have been, what would have stopped them from breaking those safeguards as well to prevent any of the election hacking being reported?
Because we're seeing that in Nevada right now where they're denying any audit requests for the election.
Um, so I've looked at Pete Schwabba is here in the studio here and making faces at me So I was I was laughing to Pete not you.
I appreciate the question came.
Uh, yes I you and I simply disagree on you know past elections being rigged
I feel there's not just I feel it's been proven fact that both the 2020 and 2024 elections were legitimate and fair.
Yes, there were minor discrepancies, but nothing to the extent where any of the election results could have been changed.
I think the difference between to answer your question directly between November 2024 and now I'm moving to the 2026 is to your point.
We have completely different people in charge.
I'm not just talking Republican versus Democrat.
You're talking about the fact that we that the Trump Musk team are dismissing a lot of people who were keeping the safeguards in place.
So that's what concerns me the most is having the the safeguards removed.
And I'm not here to tell you that I think the 2026 elections are going to be rigged or or not accurate at this point.
I'm saying we have to remain vigilant because we are going through unprecedented times right now in the federal government with safeguards being literally just taken out.
And so we have to remain vigilant that the 2026 midterm elections are as accurate and fair and administered that way as 2020 and 2024.
I want to get to this quickly because this is going to be a new segment.
Zomers and I are going to be working on Project 2025, a tracker.
Because we heard a lot of talk about Project 2025.
We spent time on this.
Our colleagues here at Civic spent time on this.
And a lot of people said, well, that was just made up.
It's from the Heritage Foundation.
There's no connection.
Well, now, again, we know there is.
There is a site called project2025.observer, project2025.observer, who is keeping track of Project 2025.
And we are going to start bringing you project 2025 tracker updates of the 300 items listed in project 2025 and over 90 pages.
92 of them have already been accomplished and we're not even a full two months in my friends.
Another 45 are in progress.
The Heritage Foundation and Donald Trump and Elon Musk have already completed
38% of what was listed in Project 2025 by agency, US Agency for International Development, 100% done.
They killed it.
In the Department of State of the nine objectives listed, 89% are done.
In the White House, 12% of Project 2025 objectives, 88% are done.
Department of Justice, they've done 18 of the objectives, 58% overall is done in Department of Justice, so still almost have to go.
And in personal objectives, they've done six, they're a little over halfway there at 58%.
This is what I'm talking about, is that during elections, people can say a lot of stuff.
People can say, well, that's not true.
But the tell is in what they do do.
And so we're going to start tracking this.
I'm not sure every day is ominous, but we'll do it on a continual basis, Project 2025.
Breaking news.
Environmental Protection Agency Minister Lee Zeldin says, quote, today is going to be the most consequential day of deregulation in the United States history.
Stay tuned.
and buckle up, unquote.
Breaking news by the minute these days.
Many thanks to Trigme Olson, Pat Critello, Chico, Zomers, and all of you, whatever you're fighting for, whatever you believe in, do not give up.
Keep banging your drum.
We'll see you at five o'clock right back here.