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Looking At The World Through Different Lenses (Hour 2)
The Todd Allbaugh Show · Wed Mar 5, 2025
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Good afternoon, everybody.
Tyler Baldwin, engineer and producer, Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board.
It is six past the hour of one o'clock.
Welcome into hour number two of the big program here.
It is Wednesday, March 5th, 2025.
It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite, and it is...
There you go, the old camel.
got in on the snow.
Snow across much of Wisconsin today.
Some school districts decided to either have classes remotely or call them off altogether because of the mixture of precipitation, rain, ice, snow.
Some places have it all.
Places like Rice Lake, Amory perhaps, as much as eight inches, lesser amounts.
Other places in Wisconsin here in Madison.
downtown at the world headquarters.
We take a look outside on the streets on State Street right now, some snow.
It's still kind of flurries right now, but a little bit of wetness on the pavement.
We've probably got an inch or so here in Madison, but check out 511wi.gov to all the road conditions across the state of Wisconsin.
This is going to continue for some parts of the state, the moisture that is through today.
So just be aware of that.
We need the rain.
for farmers and ag producers, but certainly makes it to slippery out there on the roadways.
Seven minutes past the hour of one o'clock.
Trigley Olson, senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, a River Falls native.
Great hockey player has stuck.
Also a Green Bay Packer owner
stuck around for the for the second half, the hour number two here of the program.
And we appreciate that because we're going to play what's worse a little bit later on here this half hour, timely indeed, having to do with roads and people.
They can both be slippery.
What's worse?
We'll talk about that in a little while.
But right now, Terri, you came back and I appreciate this because this is really great.
We talk about the Lincoln Project a lot, but there's an offshoot called the Lincoln Democracy Institute.
And I want you to explain a little bit your involvement with that.
And you have some new research and you're so very kind as to debut this on our show.
And I think it's really important stuff
for us to understand one another and understand how we talk to each other as Wisconsinites.
They don't do ads.
What we do with Lincoln Democracy Institute is really focus on what are the things that we can do to protect and defend democracy?
And we do a lot of research.
And in the course of doing our research, we came to an understanding that, quite frankly, we need to not just do political research, but we really need to look into what's happening at the individual level and why people are making choices that are antithetical to democracy and maybe antithetical to who they are in their daily lives.
And so what we did is we put together panel research and what panel research is in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Arizona across all of them.
We've recruited 4,000 people, 1,000 of them are in Wisconsin.
And we have for the last year been having conversations with them, giving them surveys, having them
having them take different tests so we know what their personality traits are, what their values are, what roles they play, do they have kids, trying to understand and work with these people who have all volunteered to be a part of this and receive some compensation when they're helping us out, really understand who they are.
It's a great project and one of the things that we just released today is a PowerPoint.
And Todd, we can push it out via social media, I think.
People can go and look at it.
It's on the fears.
We asked people about 40 fears.
And I would say, we would say to the respondents, Todd, on a scale of zero, not afraid at all to 100, how afraid are you of an economic depression in your lifetime?
And you would answer.
And then we'd say, Todd, how afraid are you of a nuclear war happening in your lifetime?
How afraid are you of...
traditional American values being replaced or climate change or whatever.
We've gone through and looked at all of those fears and we work with a lot of academics on this and there are five kinds of fears that when you encounter people they're going to be one of five kinds of people in terms of their fears.
They may be institutionally skeptical, i.e.
they're worried about government, you know, wasting their money or
you know, institutions failing, high anxiety generalists who tend to be afraid of lots of different things, political chaos warriors, people who are worried about democracy and it failing, economic security seekers, and the future shocked.
And that's people who are worried about what the future looks like, things like AI.
And so when we think about each of these groups, when you're talking to somebody, if you meet somebody who talks a lot about being afraid of America's future, immigration, traditional values being replaced, you're probably talking to an institutional skeptic.
Now, they are far more likely to be Trump voters, about 70%, right?
The kinds of things that you need to, when you're talking to them,
And the kinds of questions that you need to be asking them need to focus on the fact that you know that they have a high level of distrust and suspicion about others.
So you need to make it about individuals that they know that might be different, right?
If you're talking to a high anxiety generalist, people who are afraid of things like.
affording necessities, economic depression, their kids growing up in a worse America, so they kind of cross over with the other group.
You need to be asking questions about our tariffs, for example, benefiting you.
Oh, you work in agriculture.
Have you seen that USAID being suspended is going to cost Wisconsin farmers upwards of $150 million in cheese that won't be bought?
Right?
You need to focus, if you're talking to a political chaos warrior, people who would be far more likely to vote for Harris, almost 70% of them, about things like corrupt or incompetent government officials or billionaires controlling government, because that's their fears.
Right?
So you're not gonna sit here and talk about this all day.
And this is, when Trigley and I go across the state, oftentimes, I just sit there as fascinated because
because you really do know this stuff, and you dive down deep on it, and you're obsessed in a good way, and I find it so fascinating.
Let's step back for a second for people who aren't as obsessed as you and I are, and kind of put this in more, you know, common English terms.
In all this research trivia, give us, you know, one or two or three things the most that you, the big takeaway is from this, particularly in Wisconsin,
What are people really afraid of?
And how can we talk and have thoughtful discussions with those folks?
other things that are common or no?
Each of us comes at looking at the world differently, right?
A little bit.
And so the things we fear are going to be shaped by the events that we think that matter and our personal experiences.
So if you're a guy who's our age and you remember the Cold War, you might be more shaped by those experiences than you would be by the pandemic.
If you're a younger person and you never experienced 9-11 or the financial crisis, you're probably going to be more shaped by...
you know, the pandemic, right, and what you went through.
So the first rule of having conversations with people is understanding it's not about you and what you think, it's about how they see the world.
And thinking in your mind when you're having a discussion with them that may not be going well, what is it that they really fear and what are the things that shaped their understanding of the world?
Because and how do I ask questions about that that that will help them see?
The second thing that we we are missing is you don't shame people out of their values.
Right.
So trying to present people with all kinds of facts isn't going to get them to change their opinions.
In fact, it's going to make them more hold on deeper to their.
Well, the government is spending eight million dollars of my money on transgender mice.
The way that you get to that is you ask them questions about things.
None of us want waste, and you may want to admit that.
I don't want waste.
But doesn't that seem a little far-fetched?
You have to make it, it's all about coming back to them.
And the things that we're releasing are about trying to get people to understand how to look at those that they're having conversations with and come at it from their perspective, not from their own perspective.
I've got a column coming out, I think, this week on Civic Media.
It's based on not this great research that you've done, but just on what you and I did the last year and a half, and I start out with the Yogi Berra quote, you know, you can observe a lot just by looking around.
And it's so true.
And that's what you and I found.
And I think you're so right spot on in this.
Now you have the quantitative data to prove it is.
you have to not you but but folks myself included we have to remember to look at things through the eyes of the people that were in front of whether that's at a bars duel or at our kids cross country event or at a band concert or or hiking you know in a state park how do other people see things and then as you said look i'm somebody who left the republican party in 2011 i didn't leave because i was shamed into it i left because i was witness to something that was untrue to the things that i believe
And I said, I can't be a part of that.
I mean, you recall we were in the bar, I think it's Steven's point at one point.
I was having a conversation with the bartender who was trying to figure out how he wanted to vote.
And if you remember when he was saying what he was thinking, I wasn't I wasn't giving him facts or counter arguments to his decision that he was trying to make between
Harris and Trump and his concerns about prices and what it meant for the bar and all of that.
Remember, I was asking him questions that were about trying to get at what is the underlying concern.
that he's really articulating because remember people are going to talk in sound bites and things that they've heard but what you have to do is you have to understand what is the real fear what is the real what is the real thing that and then be asking them questions well does that really make sense is that how you apply in your own life to you know if it if they're concerned about immigration but you know that they know somebody who's an immigrant who you know.
works for them and they like them.
You have to ask the questions about that.
You need to make it personal.
Because it's very easy for those to make it about others.
You have to make it about specifics.
We're going to put all this courtesy of Trigby and the Lincoln Democracy Institute on our socials so you can connect to it and read it for yourself.
Come on back.
We'll play a little What's Worse with Trigby after this.
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21 now, past the hour.
1 o'clock on a Wednesday hump day.
Zommer's on the board.
Trig V. Olsen sticking around for a little hour too.
We appreciate that.
Trigme, thank you so much again for sharing with us this latest information, this quantitative data.
Again, 4,000 folks, 1,000 of them in Wisconsin following these folks for a long time and really putting it down there where the chickens could get at it and how we talk to one another or maybe better put, how we listen to one another and learn from one another.
And so all this information from the Lincoln Institute on Democracy will be on our website.
listening on WMDX, a brand new listener, a brand new texture.
We appreciate that, Jordan.
Jordan says, excellent point about needing to meet people where they are, not where we are.
Seven habits author, Stephen Covey, or Covey said it well, quote, first seek to understand, then to be understood, unquote.
Great comment.
Yeah.
Thank you, Jordan.
That was that was great.
We appreciate your listenership and
Yeah.
That's
right.
First seek where first seek to understand then to be understood.
Really, really great stuff.
All right.
Twenty two been in his past.
Anything else you want to add on that, Trigby?
No, okay, that's
Here we go at 22 past hour one o'clock time once again to play what's worse.
Let's go
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All right, Trigby, here we go.
This is good, timely, timely indeed, as Mike Lucas likes to say, because we do have several slippery roads.
In Wisconsin right now, as this storm system is working its way across the state and out, be careful out there on the roads.
So we have lots of slippery roads.
Trigvie and I, both been in politics quite a while.
Trigvie has probably known more people like this than I have.
But here's the question.
What's worse, slippery roads or slippery people?
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All right, what's worse, slippery roads or slippery people.
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Let's go to the North Woods.
Ollie, listening up there in the North Woods.
Ollie, slippery roads, slippery people, what's worse?
Well, hands down, it's got to be slippery people because the ice on the slippery roads will always melt and the fallout from slippery people can last for years.
That is a great point.
I absolutely love that.
Have you known some slippery people up there in the Northwoods?
Well, I can mention one or two right now.
Not by name.
One starts with a T and one starts with an
E. We don't want to get sued, but I appreciate that.
All right.
All right.
Thank you very much.
I like that, Holly.
I'm guessing Trump and Alon, but maybe not.
Perhaps.
All right.
Very good.
Let's see.
A text or Dave in New Berlin.
Dave says slippery roads, Todd.
Slippery people are easier to see.
All right.
Well, there you go.
That can be true.
That can be very true.
What's worse, slippery roads or slippery people?
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Trigvy.
Any thoughts?
Slippery roads or slippery people?
Slippery.
I
she was talking about some, some folks out in DC, not you, not you amongst them.
Well, yeah, let's hope the Chuckster and Racine checking in always appreciate your listenership.
Chuckster talking heads have a great song called slippery people.
So I'll go with the slippery people or words.
Very good.
That's fantastic.
Um, Zombers, any thoughts?
Slippery roads, slippery people.
And also, I agree, the ramifications, like Ali said, the ramifications, I mean, you get through a slippery road, put some salt on it, it's over, it's done.
I mean, and I hesitate to bring this up with 90 seconds left, but one of our favorite pinatas on this show, Trigby and I, our old buddy, former Governor Scott Walker.
Now, there was a guy that was slippery because he'd go out and he'd talk about being the son of a Baptist preacher and all that.
And then you'd get behind closed doors with he and Mike Kipp, so they turned into just very slippery people.
They wanted something different.
And I've been in a few of those meetings on Trigby, very slippery.
Yeah, that slippery is a good word for it.
Because because it's a slippery slope because they start one way and then behind you get a behind closed doors.
Very, very different people.
would be a good example.
Like, for instance, Glenn Grossman.
I don't I wouldn't consider him slippery because he's he shows you the roads, pavement all the time, whether it's on, you know, behind the closed door or not.
Not so slippery.
But it's the people that appear one way and then actually do stuff the different way behind closed doors.
I consider that.
God.
It is so there you go.
There's a consensus of the day Scott Walker is a slippery person and that is worse than a slippery road Trigby always appreciate you coming on my friend.
Have a great week.
Thanks.
Don't slip anywhere.
It was good being on.
you guys.
See you later.
at Lincoln Project.
Thank you.
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show on the Civic Media Ready Network, 34 minutes past the hour of one o'clock on Wednesday, March 5th, 2025, Zommerers dialing up some slippery people, some slippery roads.
As the Chuckster recommended, talking heads, slippery people.
Nicely done, Chuckster.
Nicely done, Zommerers.
Appreciate it.
Welcome back, everybody.
Appreciate Trinvie Olson sticking around for an extra half an hour here.
really interesting stuff from that Lincoln Democracy Institute report.
We will share that publicly so everybody can take a look at that.
And again, I think the big takeaway for me on this, and it's great to have quantified data to support what Trivia and I just kind of found out in the wild.
And it wasn't just me, by the way.
It wasn't just me.
We traveled around our friend, Jane Mattener, a Mattener on Air for a week, Richland Center, and Amory, and O'Claire.
Chippewa Valley area.
We went with our friend Earl Ingram up to Baraboo in Southwest Wisconsin at Devils Lake.
And then we traveled with Trigvie multiple occasions.
Our friend and colleague, Pat Critello, did a couple of shows with him at the Northern Wisconsin State Fair and the Pablo Center.
And I think what Trigvie has found in this quantified data of 1,000 people in Wisconsin and 4,000 people in these key states is
to really think about the people that we talk to every day, our friends, our neighbors, our loved ones, our coworkers.
Pause and reflect a minute, as I say so often to quote my former algebra teacher, Andy Spees.
Pause, reflect, and think, how does that person see the world?
How do they view it?
And then number two,
That we simply can't shame someone into changing their beliefs or other thinking these things make sense
Like you might hear this and go well duh But then but think back on your life and think back on how many times you're talking with somebody whether you agree with them or not And you're not really speaking the same language Like you you aren't actually connecting like it's easy to think.
Oh, well, of course, you're gonna think about their opinion.
It's
not as easy to put it into practice.
So these kind of reminders are very important, I think.
And I think that was one of the big takeaways for me.
It doesn't matter whether, you know, when we were down, well, Crite Low came with us down to South Milwaukee last year.
We did a great show for the, in the South Milwaukee high school down there, the Milwaukee public school system, which so often gets maligned.
But when you actually go there,
and take some time to look at the facilities, talk to the faculty, the educators, talk to the students, the parents.
They're doing some wonderful, wonderful things there in South Milwaukee.
And then you go up to, we were in Superior.
We were up there when Joe Biden, President Joe Biden, former president, was there to announce this funding to replace the Blatnik Bridge or AMRE or Hayward for the Birkenbeiner.
The similarities are that all these folks it doesn't matter which end of the state urban rural We're all tremendously proud of our communities our families and our friends Those are some similarities, but we also have to recognize that all those places We grow up slightly differently we might have slightly different religious values and how we see the world is different So we're talking to each other
rather than saying, well, you don't know anything.
Stop for a second and think, what's the viewpoint?
Where does that other person come from?
And as Trigley pointed out, how can we ask questions to one another to get us to think and find that common ground?
855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.
Back to Los Angeles, California.
L.A.
Tom, back of the line.
L.A., what do you got?
I think people have to understand the power of media because there's some people that actually will believe the propaganda and they'll actually think that someone like Sean Hannity is their is their personal friend or even a Rush Limbaugh was their personal friend and for some reason they hold more credence and they hold more
believability than maybe even the family member or a friend that they respect.
And I don't know why that is.
I don't know if it's because they spend so much more time with them, you know, on a regular basis or what, but one thing I find about conservative media is that one, they don't apologize when they do tell a lie or a mistake.
Do they tell lies?
uh quite often and any type of alternative media actually seems to come up with um you know like we'll actually say yeah I made a mistake on that or hey you know they'll actually admit that there was an error and when you got one side of the media landscape that's constantly saying lies and doesn't correct them then for some reason
someone hearing the alternative media saying oh yeah I made a mistake on that or oh yeah Democrats are not you know they screwed up in this way.
It's all going one way in terms of conservatives just sticking to the point that yeah theirs is great or that theirs is right and for some reason I think that's what maybe sways some people that are in the middle or some really really thoughtful good people.
to actually go along with the lies that the conservatives tell them, rather than looking at it like we're talking about, like a sensible person and saying, okay, what are my fears?
Well, one, I agree with you in terms of the fears.
My problem is that there are so many lies that happen through the media reinforced by commercials that they'll see on TV, which of course all goes back to money and
politics.
I can sit down.
with someone at a bar stool.
Well,
that's the
point.
And I can say to them, the problem's money in politics and they agree, 70%.
You
nailed it right there.
You nailed it.
That's exactly where I was going.
And that's why I try to talk on this show and I try to encourage, I try to do it myself as much as I can to get away from our devices, all of us, whatever political spectrum we're at.
And that's what Reed Gayland's put on this program.
and saying, you know, join a Lions club or a Rotarian club or whatever.
And this isn't, and I think some people hear that.
They're like, oh, you're just telling us to ignore the problems.
And no, no, no, it's quite the opposite.
It's to your point, LA.
which is to, if we can connect with our friends and neighbors in our own community and get to build a trust first, then we can start having these conversations and get down to some truths politically, but it's very difficult to do that when we're all hiding behind screens.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And we think that the screen
people that are on the screens are actually our best friends for some reason.
Or people, like I said, whether it's Rush or whether it was some of the Fox broadcasters or OAN or Newsmax, I'm not trying to just separate the difference.
It's just there's a difference in media between Fox and MSNBC.
And I'm trying to be honest about it.
I'm trying not to look at it and go, OK, yeah, MSNBC is totally progressive.
Well, no, it isn't.
MSNBC is corporate.
But when you
agree that there are there are there are corporations and media that have different agendas but are equally as guilty of ginning us up just for ratings, clicks and likes.
100 percent.
I mean, must less moon bus years ago that Donald Trump made the worst thing for America.
But he's the best thing for ratings for CDS.
Bingo.
Yeah, that's what it is.
And somehow we have to be able to uncover that just like we're talking about in this, you know, election coming up with Crawford.
You know what?
Sometimes Crawford's not going to get her message off because she may not have as much money and she's a judge.
And let me say this based on, you know,
anecdotal information via following everybody or trying to follow the main candidates on social media.
I will say Crawford appears to be going out and actually meeting people much better than Shimmel.
She's actually having public meetings where anybody could come and talk to her.
And I give her a lot of kudos for that.
I appreciate it, LA.
Thanks so much.
Have a great day out there on the West Coast, 855-752-4842, a little closer to home.
Dale, up in beautiful Warsaw, listening on Bull Falls Radio WXCO.
Dale, thanks for listening.
Let's see.
Yes, what I wanted to say is that I think the protests around the country are really a good thing.
It's letting the general public know
what's going on with this Trump administration.
And I have a couple slogans here that I'm going to put on science myself.
And one is the muskrat rodent has to be stopped from rooting around in our government.
And then I got one more.
The orange anus criminal has to be impeached for real.
Okay.
And
Yeah, and you know with one thing that I thought about all my life is that Good news travels at a certain speed, but bad news travels the speed of light.
Yeah, and We get the word out there.
What's going on in our government?
You know, I think people people need to know and with these Social Security and Medicaid Medicare
all these different programs being shut down so that we can give tax cuts to the billionaires.
Here's an example of somebody making up $10 million a year.
They get a 10% tax cut, so that's a million dollars.
Somebody making $40,000 a year, their tax cut is $4,000.
250 times as much as that person making $40,000 can put in their pocket.
And if you blow it up to somebody making $100 million a year, a 10% tax cut, that's $10 million compared to the 4,000 that a person making $40,000 would get.
So that's 2,500 times the tax reduction.
Yeah, one person gets over another.
In other words, that person making 100 million would get a tax cut of $9,996,000 more tax cuts, more money in their pockets.
That ain't bad.
That ain't bad, right?
Dale, appreciate the call.
Dale up there in Wausau, 855-752-4842.
855-752-4842.
I agree.
I agree, Dale, that I think the peaceful protests
you know, going out and again, I think Trigby's talked about this, Reed's talked about this, Reed Galen, other folks that it does give us a unifying group.
Again, it's coming together with people knowing that we're not alone.
And again, as long as we're peaceful and nonviolent, either against people or against personal property, I think that's great.
That's the first amendment that's speaking out for what we believe.
Coming up on 46 now pass almost 47 past the hour of one o'clock want to pass along just a little bit of news here Marquette University law school poll is out I'm gonna take a little look at some of their some of their findings here I'm gonna say after we come back because I had it on my phone and then this is exactly why Todd doesn't like technology because I have something up there and then I go to click on it and then it goes away see if you have
Paper, paper doesn't go away.
So we'll, we'll talk.
I think though, but one of the Governor Evers, according to Marquette Law School, polls still tremendously popular right now.
One of the most, although his numbers have slipped a little bit.
It turns out people in the Supreme Court race who have been talking about Schimel and Crawford, I don't see that they didn't do a head to head.
And our great political editor, Dan Schaefer, reminded me last night that the Marquette Law School poll normally does not do.
head to heads with the Supreme Court or justices in terms of the race.
But they did do a have you heard of them or not?
And it turns out that people haven't heard a lot about either one, which to me sounds bizarre, given all the ads up so far.
I guess it wasn't so much they had heard of them, but they don't have an opinion.
I
Exactly.
How can you not have an opinion on this stuff?
But yet that's what that's what some people came back.
So we'll come back, talk a little bit about that to close out the show and take your phone calls as well on a snowing.
Be careful out there again, roadways.
Some are slippery, particularly in Northwest Wisconsin and Central Wisconsin.
Right now, as some of these places have seen several inches of snow, some of it are slippery roads due to some freezing.
rain and ice all that's going to move out of the state later on today.
But until then, be careful if you're out there on Wisconsin roads.
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New Marquette Law School poll being released about an hour ago in real time here.
So bear with me a little bit.
But this is the very very interesting new poll that was conducted February 19th through the 26th.
I sound like Richard Dawson from Family Feud.
Interviewing 864 Wisconsinites top 10 answers on the board.
No, not really.
Wouldn't that be great though?
They should, when Charles Franklin introduces this, they should play like Family Feud music.
Let's play the feud.
There you go.
Very good.
No, this is real.
February 19th to the 26th, 864 people, Wisconsin registered voters.
The poll has a margin of error at 4.6% plus or minus.
So that means that these results could be 4.6% one way or the other.
So that kind of gives you the realm here.
All right.
It finds that the large percentage of registered Wisconsin voters remain unfamiliar with the candidates for Wisconsin Supreme Court and the state superintendent of public construction with less than a month before the April elections.
Among the registered Wisconsin voters, 38% don't offer an opinion on state Supreme Court candidate Brad Schimmel.
and 57% said they don't have an opinion on Schimel's opponent, Susan Crawford.
Now, I find that fascinating.
That 57%, I mean, don't have an opinion one way or the other on Crawford.
That's just astounding.
38% don't have an opinion on Schimel.
With all the ads, TV, digital, otherwise, maybe Zomers were just too much in the news bubble.
I think that's what it is.
I think people just are like, I'm not, I think in my layman's non-political science perspective, I think it shows how much people are tuning out of news altogether.
I think you might be right.
Just like I'm not paying attention to it.
Also in the Marquette Law School poll, in the election for state superintendent of public instruction, 61%
lack an opinion of incumbent Jill Underly, 69% haven't heard enough about her opponent, Brittany Kinzer.
So even less, which I guess that tracks a little bit, people don't pay that much attention on the whole to the DPI secretary race, but even more people don't know about the two candidates, or I shouldn't say don't know, they say they don't have an opinion.
All right.
According to this new Marquette Law School poll, awareness of the candidates is even greater among those who say they are certain to vote in the election and who say they are enthusiastic about voting.
So this is another Charles Franklin and his great team.
They say, are you, are you somewhat certain, very certain, absolutely certain?
And then same thing, are you, are you somewhat enthusiastic, sort of enthusiastic, very enthusiastic?
Todd terms, not the actual question, but you get the idea.
So back to the Marquette Law School poll coming out about an hour ago, 41 percent, 41 percent of registered voters say they are certain to vote.
Wow, that would be high and are and are enthusiastic about voting on April 1st.
By contrast, in the 2023 state Supreme Court race, 51 percent of registered voters actually turned out.
I think it was one of not the highest spring turnout and maybe forever, but quite some time.
So according to this, as we stand right now, 10% less enthusiasm out there for this Supreme Court race.
Marquette Law School poll results again, among those enthusiastic and certain to vote, 42% have a favorable opinion of Schimmel, 43% had an unfavorable opinion.
In the same group, 33% have a favorable opinion of Crawford, 32% have an unfavorable opinion.
So that's fascinating that 42% of people who say they are enthusiastic and certain to vote have a favorable opinion of Schimmel, and a 33% have a favorable opinion of Crawford, 43% have an unfavorable opinion of Schimmel, and 32%
have an unfavorable opinion of Crawford.
So what
Pretty much that you boiled it down.
Yeah.
And which stands to reason simply because Brad Schimmel has been on the ballot statewide and it has served as the attorney general.
now.
So as they might be, it makes sense that, you know,
That is the name ID would be be higher, but it's fascinating that that they each there's there's one point difference between whether or not They're favorable unfavorable What's what's interesting is that shimble has an a higher unfavorable at 43% But not as many people know Crawford so
And this is why this you want to know why you have all these negative ads out there It's because of this it's because both sides are trying to drive up the unfavorable right because they're not that well-known yet It shows that was less than a month now April 1st is this election is very important
that people need to educate themselves because they still don't know who these people are.
Very, very interesting results.
We'll have more later on this Marquette Law School poll.
Thanks to Trig V. Olsen, Pat Krightle, Aaron Zommers, and all of you for joining in.
Stay tuned.
Maggie Dawn is next.
For all of us, I'm Todd Hallbaugh.
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