Mondays With Matt: Trump Politicizes The US Military (Hour 1)

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Want to turn our attention to current events and no better.

By the way, coming up in hour two, what's worse today, we have a cold and flu season.

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Yeah, that's not ideal No, it's 17 turtle so all that more but want to begin with what's happened over the course of the weekend

These days, the news comes by the hour, sometimes by the minute, no better person to help us sort through all this.

Been looking forward to talking with him for a couple of weeks now.

And of course, many of our fine listeners who are also fans of Matt Flynn have been asking for him.

And here he is in the flesh, a two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, an attorney, and also a veteran of the United States Navy, the one, the only, our friend, Matt Flynn.

How are you, my friend?

Terrific, terrific time.

I'll tell you what, I like being back on the Tide

Oboe show.

Matt's indirect

on the Tide Oboe show.

That's right.

That's right.

It's kind of like a compilation.

Well, you always open your shows, Matt, with, you know, you're not woke unless until you know history and you take us to the front lines of history being made every minute of every day.

Wow.

Lots of history being made every minute of every day these days, Matt.

And I want to.

You know, again, you're kind of a Renaissance guy.

You're a man of many talents.

You've, you know, to clean it up for radio, as you say, you've seen a lot of stuff.

And so I appreciate that about you.

For the first couple of topics here, of course, you're an attorney, activist of Democratic Party, a leader, but I really appreciate the fact that you're a veteran of the United States Navy.

And I think that

what happened over the last three to four days here in terms of President Trump firing the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also a secretary of the Navy.

Several others are coming.

Over 5,000 civilians in Department of Defense have been told they're letting go.

Just let's start things off, Matt.

As a veteran, what does this mean to you?

Well, let me tell you something as a veteran and just as an American citizen You're seeing the slow notification of our culture

and

the there are 50 Republican senators 50 eunuchs council of eunuchs who are sitting by and they're accommodating it now let me just talk about the military briefly just like you said he fired the the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Air Force

Veteran with a general a full general four star years of service four star who also Happens to be an african-american guy in a combat pilot and terrific and what he fired was actually the chief of naval operations the CNO Who's a woman?

He's a French Eddie who is a four-star admiral and he fired the the admiral in charge of the Coast Guard who's a woman he fired one black guy and two women this guy

When he talks about getting rid of DEI, well, that's just the front.

He's talking about getting rid of black people and women.

That's all he's talking about.

And so what he, by doing that, when I was in the Navy, the chief of naval operations was Elmo Zumwalt.

He was a revered admiral and he would send us Z-gram.

So we get these, there was no internet back then, but we get these sort of faxes about this and about that.

He was a leader.

What Trump is trying to do,

is politicize the military.

And he made a very bad mistake.

He said that he admired Hitler's generals.

He said that.

He said that in the past.

What he doesn't know is that Hitler's generals tried to kill Hitler.

They planted a briefcase with a bomb in it.

And unfortunately, not close enough to his desk and it blew off his fingers, but it didn't blow the bastard up.

So in this case, I hope we do have Hitler's generals.

But what he's doing is,

is he is going to end up having political officers on ships and in regiments.

The Russians do that.

They put a political officer on every submarine, every ship, and they spy, and they rat on the captain, and they rat on the XO and all this.

We are seeing the Russianization of our military.

And quite frankly, Donald Trump only has three guiding principles in his life.

And they are sadism, treason, and fraud.

That's it.

And he's inflicting that on the country, and we've got to stand up.

I think Matt, you know, I have family who serves on the civilian side in the military.

I had the honor and privilege.

I never served myself like you, but I had the honor and privilege of doing military affairs for about five years for a member of Congress here in Wisconsin.

and anybody who's either served or had the privilege of working with our military men and women, the people that put on the uniform every day so that we can enjoy the freedoms that we have up until this point all enjoyed, you understand keenly that these folks, I want you to talk a little bit about this, these folks, to accomplish, they are mission driven.

They are given a mission, whatever that is, and it varies from branch to branch, from unit to unit, but they have a mission.

And they come together regardless of race, sexual orientation, gender, political background, and they accomplish that.

Former General Colin Powell, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well, wrote a great autobiography.

I really recommend it if you ever get the chance for the listeners.

But he talked as a kid whose parents came, if I believe from Jamaica, and he grew up in Brooklyn.

And he never, never thought he would have opportunities in the private sector that the military afforded him because I don't want to say it's colorblind.

That's not true.

Nothing really is, but it gave him the best shot of being judged on his accomplishments.

No, you're absolutely right.

And you put your finger on something very, very important.

The military time and again has been told to accommodate groups that society has not yet accommodated.

For instance,

Harry Truman integrated the the military and so he demanded that black people be treated the same as everybody else and the military said fine and they did it even though much of the country in the late 40s wasn't willing to do it the second thing is he said bring women in the Democratic Party did and have them in combat positions the military said fine and it was one of the smartest things we did because we need staffing and

on submarines, on aircraft carriers, a lot of its computers.

Then they say, well, bring in transgender people.

And it's worked.

There aren't many of them, but they're accommodated and they serve honorably.

The military has always, without question, accommodated what they've been told and has always been positive.

This is the first time that you have a guy who's firing black generals, female generals and admirals,

anybody that he doesn't like and putting in political officers

and

I do not want political officers on a ship.

On my ship, if we'd had a rat walking around as a political officer to snitch on the captain and is he insufficiently loyal to Trump and that kind of thing, you turn into Russia.

And

this is a message to everybody listening and some of you may have voted for Trump.

This is not the Republican Party.

We need a center right party and a center left party.

but two American parties.

The Republican Party is not anymore an American party.

Trump is a glioblastoma in our brain, in our culture.

He's got to be taken out, lawfully, of course, got to be taken out, and we cannot let this cancer continue.

We have time for the George W. Bush cut summarizer before the break to you.

This is Matt, to your point.

Here was former President George W. Bush in the 2000s talking about Ukraine.

As we welcome new NATO allies, we also affirm that the door to NATO membership remains open to other nations that seek it in the Balkans and beyond.

Here in Bucharest, we must make clear that NATO welcomes the aspirations of Georgia and Ukraine for their membership in NATO and offers them a clear path forward to meet that goal.

So my country's position is clear.

NATO should welcome Georgia and Ukraine.

into the membership action plan.

And NATO membership must remain open to all of Europe's democracies that seek it.

Former President George W. Bush of the 2000s, Matt, I probably played that a little premature.

I don't want to transfer completely into Ukraine yet, although we're going to get to that.

But to your point, Matt, Donald Trump is not the party of even George W. Bush.

Regardless of what folks may have feelings on George W. Bush, that cut right there shows how far the Republican Party, the old party, has fallen.

in just, you know, 15 years.

Right.

The center right party was the Republican center.

Left was Democrat.

They're both patriots and they both resisted the Russians.

The Russians have been our adversary for a long time and they're dangerous, very, very dangerous.

Trump is being, in my view, sexually blackmailed by Putin because of the steel video.

And he will do anything for Putin.

He servile to Putin and he cannot be permitted

to say, well, now we're with Putin and we're against Ukraine.

That does not have the ascent of the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, or anybody else.

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We appreciate it, Matt.

I want to play a cut here.

I know you've heard this.

Many of our listeners may have heard it.

I think it's worth replaying.

Correct me if I'm wrong Matt on the other side, but I think that this is a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Milley, who this was after on his way out before Trump, this is while Joe Biden was still president, and he was on his way out of the chairmanship before the current one out.

Now the former Joint Chief of Staff was fired over the weekend by Trump, but here is General Milley giving all of us as Americans, and I believe

a directive to the men and women in uniform across this country, a directive.

To a country, we don't take an oath to a tribe, we don't take an oath to a religion, we don't take an oath to a king, or a queen, or to a tyrant, or a dictator, and we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator.

We don't take an oath to an individual.

We take an oath to the Constitution, and we take an oath

to the idea that it's America and we're willing to die to protect it.

Every soldier, sailor, airman, marine, guardian, and coast guard.

Each of us commits our very life to protect and defend that document, regardless of personal

price.

I think that was way out.

He was saying don't don't go along with this new guy if he gets back in because that's not what we're here for

It was a terrific statement and if you couldn't put it any better and as a result Trump has said he's taken away Millie's security detail took it away and he is saying he may prosecute Millie Trump we're seeing a not so notification of our culture

Let me let me tell you what was going on here If you can imagine say in 1943 in the middle of the Second World War suddenly Franklin Roosevelt saying Churchill is a dictator Hitler is somebody we can work with he's a genius for getting all this land We are now going to side with Hitler and fight the British and fight the French Suppose he said that a president cannot

override the Constitution.

The president cannot speak for everybody and just switch sides.

You can't do that.

What he's doing now is trying to do that.

Say, well, now Ukraine is bad, Russia is good, and let me tell you something even worse.

This new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, if he's in front of the Senate and I was in the Senate, I'd say, sir, if you got an order from Trump to side with the Russians,

and oppose Ukraine militarily, send American troops over there and shoot Ukrainians, would you obey that order?

And if that son of a whatever does anything except hell no, out he goes.

This

is very, very serious.

This guy, you're talking about Cain, general.

By the way, he's a three star.

He's a three star and he's gonna replace a four star, which I don't think he's ever, which has ever happened.

He's retired, they're bringing him back.

He's quoted as telling Donald Trump, quote,

I would kill for you, unquote.

I mean, right.

The one thing,

well, let me tell you something.

That's Donald Trump that said that.

You know, we want to assess this guy, but he's a three star.

He is not qualified to be the chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff for a lot of complicated reasons.

But the law says that the president can override all of those regulations.

if it's somehow needed as an emergency.

And Trump is doing that.

The fact is that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff now, this 41 year veteran of the Air Force is superb.

This rotates among the services.

So

it's got to

be an Air Force person this year.

And so what he's doing is sticking another Air Force retired guy who he thinks will be right wing and knuckle under.

We cannot let the military be politicized.

I

can't emphasize that enough.

This is not a trivial thing.

And Matt, we got three minutes here before the break or so, and we'll pick it up on the other side.

I want to have you start talking about, because your unique perspective, not only are you a Navy veteran, you're also an attorney, talk about, because I think this part got a little overshadowed with what we just talked about.

Not to say that we just, what we just talked about is unimportant, it's not.

But talk to us about the importance also of Trump firing, I believe it was 18,

inspectors general.

And these are the folks, Matt, keep me honest here, as I understand it, these JAG officers and JAG officers in the military and also the inspectors general across the administration, these are the people that know the law and in the military, correct me if I'm wrong, the JAG officers are the one group of folks that can tell the generals, no, you don't have to follow that order from the commander in chief because it's unconstitutional.

You're right.

What Trump did is for two separate reasons.

For the 18 inspectors, these are the ones that are in effect ombudsmen who look at these agencies and inspect them for illegality and fraud.

Trump and Musk are fraud on the hoof.

They do not want anybody there blowing the whistle on their fraud.

And so as a result, they fire these people and they're going to put in compliant people, magnetized people, or they won't replace them at all.

And all that does is accelerate fraud in agencies.

With regard to the JAG officers, JAG, by the way, stands for Judge Advocate General.

And

I in Milwaukee, in the Milwaukee Navy League, am the Judge Advocate General for the Navy League.

And it's the legal officer just for the Navy League in Milwaukee.

It's real small potatoes.

But the JAG Corps at the higher levels in the Army, Navy, Air Force, et cetera, exactly right.

The generals, if he gives an order,

All right, I want to send American troops to Ukraine and to side with the Russians in combat a Jag officer at the highest levels will say to the general the admiral You cannot obey that order.

That is an illegal order.

You

can't do it They don't do it frequently obviously, but they can do it by removing them and perhaps not replacing them or replacing them with people like the Pam Bondes of the Attorney General who are basically Stepford lives or their werewolves and the rest of them you take

He has found a way, a chink in the Constitution, to destroy a democracy by using the Constitution.

That's because the president, the executive controls the prosecution, controls the attorney general.

Nobody ever thought they'd put corrupt people in, but they have.

Stay tuned.

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I think what a time or is they call it mashup?

No, what do you mash up two things like that songs or shows?

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Is that what you say, Matt?

Have I got it close?

Yeah.

That's what we used to do.

That's what you do.

It's

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great, it's a great way to do

it.

Yeah, absolutely.

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Let's go to the text line first, if we could, Mr. Summers, a caller in Racine, the Chuckster in Racine calling in and wants to ask Matt, what happens to, we're talking about, by the way, before the break, Donald Trump,

firing some of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other officers, JAG officers as well.

And the Chuckster asks Matt, what happens to the generals, admirals and officers that Trump fires?

Can they still serve the US military in other roles?

What about their military rank and pensions?

Or are they just out?

Matt?

Right, no excellent question, Chuckster.

And here's the answer.

If all he does is fire them, no, they go back into active service.

They keep their pensions under any circumstances.

However, with some of them, like with Miley, he reduced him in rank, and he reduced his pension, and he threatened him with prosecution, took away his security detail.

Remember Tommy Tuberville?

who is one of the worst senators, it threats the United States.

Tommy Tuberville of Alabama stopped about 500 promotions of flag type officers for 10 months.

He demoralized our military.

Many of them retired early.

We lost an awful lot of experience.

The Republican Party does not love America.

It does not love our military.

It hates, and I'm talking about the new Republican Party under Trump.

It hates America.

And it hates our military.

And so Trump, what he can do with some of these people, I don't think he will, because they haven't ticked him off enough, he can say, I'm reducing you in rank, which will reduce their pension.

He can say,

You're out.

You can't be an officer anymore, but he has to say that.

We can't just replace

them.

And Matt, I mean, look, I mean, you can tell me off, we're friends, I don't care, as long as you keep an FCC compliant.

But I mean, I don't disagree.

I agree with you that I believe that Donald Trump and the people that he's appointing to these cabinet posts and also some of the leadership, I think that they don't care about America.

I think that Trump is a Russian asset.

But I would amend that in my opinion.

You push back if you want.

I don't think that everybody in Wisconsin who's a local party chair or votes Republican, I don't think they hate America.

And I don't even necessarily think that every Republican in Congress hates America.

And I got to keep myself FCC compliant.

I think they're just chicken crap.

I mean, they don't have any backbone.

They don't have any hoodspot.

Well, look, I know a lot of people are Republicans even in my own family and some people voted for Trump I respect all of that.

We are a democracy We need two parties center right and center left 90% of the Republican Party are patriotic Americans 90% But the 10% are the ones that are running the Republican Party and Trump and his cabinet are emblematic of those You're absolutely right that not every congressman and not every senator hates America

But one of the sad things is they're getting death threats.

It's not just that they're afraid of primaries.

Some people in that Congress could survive a primary, even if Trump opposed them.

But Tillis of North Carolina, when Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense, was up for confirmation.

There were three votes against him among the Republicans.

That was Moscow

Mitch,

that was Collins of Maine, and the Murkowski of Alaska, and all it required was one more.

And he put the word out, I'm going to oppose him.

The FBI came to tell us and said there were credible death threats against you and your family, and he caved for that reason.

Donald Trump, remember, encouraged a mob to hang his vice president, hang Mike Pence, and he pardons them.

after they were unsuccessful.

Look, I'm not making this up.

This is true.

This is serious.

I know Republicans in Wisconsin who either didn't endorse Trump or who endorsed Harris and only half jokingly tell me now, I don't go into any buildings above the second floor.

The phones are lighting up as Matt likes to say do not hang up We will take you in order of your calls eight five five seven five two four eight four two Mark and per to sack mark if you can make a brief.

What say

you?

just remember that the Romans could actually consider the term king as a curse word.

I mean, even the emperors didn't, even though they're more power than the kings, they never assumed the title of king.

We rejected kings on this country after the revolution.

Washington had achieved a crown and didn't.

And for Donald Trump to do this, if Republicans not to say, you know, to reject this, based on that alone should have been an impeachable thing that he did.

I mean, it is just a crime against the Constitution.

And these people take an oath to the Constitution, not to Donald Trump.

You're absolutely right.

We're not going to have a king, but what's amazing about this guy is he comes right out and says, I'm switching sides.

Zelensky's bad, Putin's good, and he expects the country to go along with him.

Do not go along with him.

I don't care if you write letters to the Canadian ambassador, the British ambassador, and the French ambassador saying that Donald Trump is a traitor to the United States, the American people don't stand with him.

That's, we have to have an expression, a popular expression of support for our NATO allies in Canada,

which

is also a NATO ally.

Donald Trump cannot be permitted in the middle of a war to say we're switching sides.

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Let's go to beautiful Sussex, Gary, out on the road.

And Sussex, Gary, thanks for calling.

What's up?

Well, I got a couple of things.

First of all, I'm a mega Republican and I love America.

And I love our military.

When I see military guys, I buy them lunch.

So for you, Matt, to go out there and say in the beginning, you did kind of explain yourself after Todd told you that there's a lot of good Republicans that love America.

And you did explain yourself.

And you

have a right to your opinion.

I don't want to use words, but I think that

I don't know.

What's your

question?

What's

your question,

Gary?

What's your

point?

You said in the beginning, we got to take Donald Trump out.

Now, if I told you, Matt, I'm going to take you out.

I said lawfully.

He

said lawfully.

Wait a minute.

I said lawfully that this impeachment, this criminal prosecution.

Look at Gary, let me tell you something.

You've been on the phone with me for many years.

And

I appreciate your point of

view, but I'm gonna leave you with one.

Hold on I'm gonna leave you with one thought and that is this You vote for Trump.

That's fine.

But if you think That Trump can switch us to Russia against Ukraine and we're gonna put up with it You're wrong.

You should not put up with it.

You

should

not print up with it Let me ask Gary quickly.

Republicans.

I like your Eisenhower

Gary before before you leave.

I just really quickly I'm interested in your in your answer.

Do you do you endorse?

what Trump is doing, switching sides in the Ukraine-Russia war.

Well, first of all, Zelensky is a dictator.

He's not.

He went out

there.

Oh, come on, Gary.

Why the hell are you even calling him to the show?

Call him to the right wing radio.

Matt, Matt,

let

me ask

you a question.

You already chewed up a lot of time.

Okay, let's, Gary, Gary, come back.

I got a lot of callers on the phone, so let's, I gotta keep moving.

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Joe and Madison and WMDX.

Joe, go ahead.

I would say that Quincy is not a dictator and Gary doesn't know what he's talking about.

Let's not take it

personal, but yes, all right, let's move on.

Go ahead.

Well, point made.

And two questions I want to ask you, Matt, I'm bearing on your knowledge and your understanding of things.

Two of them.

One has to do with NATO.

The other one has to do with this talk of annexing Canada.

Can you tell me if NATO survives, given this turn that Trump has done, where he's allowing himself

with the dictator Putin.

Where we sit in terms of NATO, does this blow up NATO?

Do the Europeans have to look at a brand new fighting force that they put together from scratch?

Do the leases that we have

that U.S.

has for bases in Europe, do those get blown up as part of this?

How on earth does NATO survive if we go forward with this idea of supporting leaving Zelensky on the trash heap and going with dictator Putin?

My second question is, Trump has been talking about annexing Canada.

Isn't an annexation an illegal military

occupation of a country?

How on earth would we do that, given a country of that size and a country that is perfectly capable of putting forward, if US troops went in there, a long time guerrilla warfare against us?

Your thoughts on those two issues.

Thank you very much, Matt.

That was excellent, Joe, as always.

Let me start with NATO.

It's good news and bad news.

The good news is that our NATO allies, recognizing that Trump

is an aberration, but somebody they have to deal with are planning for unification against Russia without him.

And here's what they're doing.

There are talks going on right now between Germany, France and the UK that the UK and France will cover Germany and Italy with their nuclear weapons.

So their nuclear weapons, the UK and France are not as substantial as ours, but they're very, very capable of eliminating the Soviet Union.

The problem is,

the minute there's any nuclear weapon launched.

What happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki is small potatoes.

It would literally destroy the major cities in the world.

We can't have it.

But they will get together.

They will send troops against Russia that goes into Poland or into Lithuania.

And so Article 5 will still be in effect, but by the Europeans.

But the problem is they're not going to let us stay on bases.

that they think are being used to serve Russian interests.

Trump is a criminal.

Trump is an enemy of the people and enemy of the United States.

So that's number one.

Number two, and for instance, we have a base in Holy Lock, Scotland, where we have our nuclear subs go for servicing and out to sea.

If that gets shut down, our nuclear subs are going to have to leave, say Norfolk or somewhere in the east coast of the United States.

And it's going to be a lot tougher.

Number two, with

Joe, I think your question was NATO and refresh me

again.

Go ahead, Thomas.

Yeah, it was NATO.

How is NATO going to survive?

Are they going to disband and create a new one?

Are we going to get kicked out of it?

And also, how do they deal with us talking about annexing Canada, since that seems clearly a vanity and illegal?

Right.

It's all a bad idea, but NATO will survive, but limp along hoping we get another president, a better one in 2028.

With regard to Canada, you know what's offensive about that?

I mean, I have a sister-in-law from Canada.

I mean, Canada are our friends.

We are integrated economically.

William Shatner's from Canada.

Jim

Naver's

from Canada.

Paul Saver.

What he does is he'll say stuff like this.

He'll say,

Okay, I'm going to make Gaza into a resort.

He doesn't mean it.

He says it to get headlines.

But as a result of his saying that there were fights between the hockey teams in Boston, it was terrible.

It was disgusting, pitting us ostensibly against them.

He can't do it.

He can't do it for a variety of reasons.

It is a violation of international law.

It's an invasion.

Number two, the people are not going to put up with it.

But he will say the most provocative, disgusting

things to get a headline and rile up like Gary Assasics.

He'll rile up some of his base.

And Canada is our friend.

It is a member of NATO.

Right.

You can't have a NATO.

It's a member of NATO.

You can't have a member of NATO.

See, I'm going to occupy another NATO country.

It won't happen, Joe.

Thank you for your excellent questions as always.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

This will not surprise you, Matt, because it happens every time you come on.

Every single one of our six phone lines are lit up like a Christmas tree.

Can you stay a little, can you stay an extra 10 minutes into hour two if we can't get through everybody?

Yeah, sure.

All right, very good.

As Matt says, do not hang up.

We see you on the lines.

More phone calls after this, 855-752-4842.

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52 minutes past the hour.

Eight minutes before the hour of one o'clock on Monday, February 24th.

Matt Flynn, our friend, ongoing contributor, two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin and attorney, U.S.

Naval veteran and author joins us here on a Monday with Matt Flynn.

Always a pleasure, Matt, as you do so well.

You get people engaged, every phone line full, as Matt likes to say, do not hang up.

We will take you in order of your calls, 855-752-4842.

Let's get right to the phone lines.

Gene in Eau Claire.

on WCFW.

Jean, what's the?

Well, great to hear your voice, Matt.

Again, it's wonderful.

I mean, you have a lot of experience in a lot of different areas, and it makes me sick.

The way that Trump talks about Zelensky, he just, he makes me sick.

But anybody that's a dictator, I mean, people are saying, if they're spewing it, they're doing it.

And we got dictator Trump right here.

Going after economy, going after jobs, going after people's nuts, eggs, putting in Elon Musk, who doesn't even have any experience, and then Elon Musk has the kahuna to send notes to people that you better say the best five things or the things you get on your job.

Well, if you don't know what the devil's are doing on their jobs, you shouldn't be supervisory even going into those departments deciding who gets the say and go.

I can't believe it, man.

It's like weapons of mass destruction with Trump in our economy and our whole country, and it's just unbelievable.

Is there any one issue that we can all unite on or any direction that we can take?

And I'll take my answer off the air.

Thank you so much, Matt, for all your information.

Bye.

Great to hear from you as always Jean.

Yeah, let me just quick hit two things One is let me take Ukraine and Zelensky.

Zelensky is a good man.

He really is he's been compared to the Churchill of the modern era and for Donald Trump just in the middle of a war basically say we're switching sides That can't be done.

We can't permit that I'd encourage everybody you want some small thing you can do write a letter or an email to the ambassadors of our allies

to Canada, the UK, France, Italy, Spain, Germany.

Tell them how much we value our alliances.

Donald Trump does not speak for us.

He's a bad man, and we are not going to support him in any of this baloney.

Number two, though, is Elon Musk.

Now, Elon Musk, let me put it to you very succinctly.

He's worth $400 billion.

His aspiration is to be the first trillionaire.

Think about that.

Trillionaire.

But his road to being a trillionaire goes through Social Security and Medicare.

Yeah.

Goes through Social Security and Medicare.

They're cutting right now.

You're not going to be able to afford an old age home or assisted living if you're a person of modest means in our small counties around the state.

All of this stuff is paid for by either Medicaid or Medicare.

So many things.

They are they are simply taking it apart.

Judges are standing tall.

But the Sixth Tarantulas on the Supreme Court still have to weigh in.

And even if they finally weigh in OK, they have no army.

Trump is using the Constitution.

He's seen a chink in it.

He controls the army and the prosecutors to try to really destroy our country.

We must stand tall, write letters and emails to all of the ambassadors of our allies, say how much we treasure them.

Trump is a bad man, and Putin is our enemy.

eight five five seven five two four eight four two go out to the west coast and uh well i'm sorry actually ollie first of all go up to uh north woods that ollie is first ollie i was just up there in hayward it's a beautiful part of the uh uh state if you can make it quick please ollie go ahead

well i just agree with um mr finn and um i called the ukraine embassy this morning and left a message um asking them to

relay to

President Zelensky not to trust Trump.

He's a liar.

He's broken laws from day one and look what he's done to America in one short month.

They should not believe a word he says.

The number is 202-349-2963.

I encourage everyone to call them and express their dismay at Trump.

That is a wonderful message.

Thank you for calling in let the Ukrainian embassy know let all of our allies know Trump is a liar.

He's a Russian asset He does not represent the vast majority of the United States and we will not permit him to do what he's doing

Let's go quickly to the West Coast LA Tom LA you got about a minute if you can get it in please go ahead

All right people need to remember out there that Ukraine through the Bucharest Accord

actually got rid of their nuclear weapons, actually called people in the United States to get rid of some of their uranium.

We need to stand by Ukraine 150,000% because of the fact that they could have actually had that nuclear weapon and have taken out Russia themselves, but they chose to want to make a new day for themselves and America needs to stand behind them 150,000%.

Thank you.

Great call, Ellen with you, and I'll tell you what they need to be a NATO and we need to stand by Ukraine Russia under Putin is an enemy of the United States

What do you think Angie Angie Monroe listening on MDX to do it in 30 seconds Angie?

Well, no, she was actually not the next caller.

I'm sorry all right.

We'll we'll get it in after the the next break here Matt Thanks for staying around.

We know your time is is valuable.

Give us quickly in in 20 seconds here.

What's the website for your books Matt?

Well, look go to Amazon or Barnes and Noble look for Matt Flynn Matthew Flynn and look for Milwaukee Jihad China code or hunting Bernie Weber There you go in there that you've heard on the radio.

All right.

We'll come back more map Flynn do not hang up We see you on the lines more calls with Matt Flynn.

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It is six minutes past the hour of one o'clock on this Monday, February 24th, 2025.

It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite here at our World Headquarters in downtown Madison.

Overcast skies.

Some parts of Wisconsin may hit the old five zero.

50 degree mark today, a little, well, I'm not sure to call it a late winter or early spring thaw, but temperatures may kind of moderate out temperatures in the forties, looking like some rain in parts of Wisconsin later on in the week.

So maybe that old groundhog, Jimmy, the groundhog was right, Zommer's, spring may be coming early.

That

seems to be the case, but you never know in Wisconsin when you get second or third winter, it happens.

It's hard to

say.

You know, you got the boys basketball tournament come up here in Madison.

You always seem to get a big snowfall for that.

So probably plenty of winter left, but it feels kind of nice after a week end up in Hayward.

Beautiful week end up in Hayward.

We covered the Birkebinder up there.

Just a good time had by all coming up a little bit later in this hour.

A what's worse,

cold and flu edition.

We'll ask you those questions and talk you a little bit about the Brewers getting their opener down in Arizona this weekend.

And the first time in a long, long time, without Bob Euker, we'll discuss that.

But we'll bring on our ongoing contributor and friend right now, Matt Flynn, a two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, an attorney, a Navy veteran, and also a great author.

Matt, you're a guy who gets about town.

You ever been up there at Hayward at the Birkambiner?

Yeah, I have a brother-in-law, and my sister-in-law passed away.

Jack Reader, Reader's Recess Resort.

Anybody up in Hayward?

Reader's Recess Resort, Jack Reader.

My brother-in-law, good man, and I love going up there and visiting him.

Now, wait a minute, Matt.

We've been friends for a while now.

You know a guy that owns a resort, and I've been sleeping on a cot, on a futon up there

in

Hayward, at the radio station.

Yeah, I've been to the radio station.

I was interviewed there and those are very, very Spartan accommodations for many of your stature.

Yes.

I will let Jack read or know.

All right.

My

friends had all

go needs very decent quarter.

Next year, I'm staying at the place.

That's great.

That's great.

Well, it's just a great.

Well, I play.

What?

Yeah, we'll go

ahead poker in the casino up

there.

Did

you really

go?

Yeah.

Oh, that's great

Charlie pride was in a country saying this is 10 years ago late poker I like Heywood is a wonderful place wonderful.

It really is Well, great to have you along.

Thanks for giving us a little bit more time here at hour number two Matt lots of people on the phone lines yet You could join Matt talk you a little bit about the news over the weekend amongst them that Donald Trump president Trump firing the

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and several other military officials over 5,000 civilian folks in the in the military as well firing inspectors general across the board and a judge Advocates general better known as Jag officers in the military and also You know dramatically changing the United States position with the war in Ukraine of course everybody who Knows facts that knows the sky is blue knows it was Russia

who attacked Ukraine unprovoked and now over the weekend Donald Trump seemingly changing the not seemingly changing the foreign policy of the United States here and uh i mean here's a guy Matt we're gonna get to the full line don't hang up but we'll be right with you but i want to get your quick take on a couple of things number one Trump and Musk

among these big purges, they fire the people in charge of nuclear weapons until they found out, well, wait a minute, they're in charge of the nukes, then they try to rehire them, but they can't because they don't have their personal emails.

I mean, these people, their elevator doesn't go to the top floor.

Right the emblematic thing is Musk is there in a weird outfit with a weird brandishing a chainsaw a chainsaw a chainsaw Charlie and and that's how he treats human beings That's how he cuts down his the forest for the hell of it and he goes you ten thousand people get out You tell me any good things you do your and then he sends them these things saying they're being terminated for bad performance That's false those and this is blanket

That hurts them for future job applications.

He does not care about human beings.

Remember, he's a South African guy and he became a citizen, although frankly, if I were in office, I would investigate because he had a student visa in Stanford and didn't show up,

but

he stayed in the United States.

That's a violation.

It should have been disclosed.

I wouldn't mind seeing him deported quite frankly.

He's

a

danger to the United States.

absolute danger to the United States.

And here he goes, here's a chainsaw.

I'm going to cut a couple of million people in half and destroy their careers.

Who puts up with that?

We don't put up with that.

We do not put up

with that.

Here's another quick take, Matt.

Over the weekend, Musk sent out from his made up, I'm tired of people calling it, you know, the Department of Government Efficiency.

It is not a department.

It is not anything that's been condoned by Congress.

It's a made up thing.

It's a made up agency.

But Musk sends out to all department heads, including the military, that you have to get me by today, Monday, the top five things that you accomplished.

to justify your existence.

And if you don't, I'll take that as your resignation.

Now, Hagseth, Secretary of Defense, set up a new rapid response team at Department of Defense, and they have a new Twitter handle specifically for rapid response to Department of Defense.

Wisconsin's own Congressman Derek Van Orton.

was carrying on about this, how he was all for it, how, and a couple of people pushed back.

And he said, well, you know, he said a lot of terrible things.

Anyway, Derek Van Horten is clearly not tuned into his own administration.

He's also a Maga Republican, because get this, Hegseth owned Department of Defense, put out the following statement.

I want to read this for you, Matt Flynn, to get your take.

Here it is, quote, Department of Defense, DOD, personnel.

may have received an email from OPN, Office of Personnel Management, requesting information.

The Department of Defense is responsible for reviewing the performance of its personnel and will conduct any review in accordance with its own procedures.

When and if required, the department will coordinate responses to the email you have received from OPM.

For now, please pause any response.

to the OPM email titled, quote, what you did last week, unquote, what did you do last week?

Signed Darren Selnick performing the duties of the Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness.

Matt Flynn, this administration can't even get on the same page amongst themselves.

Right.

These people, these people, it's sort of like the Three Stooges, except I like the Three Stooges and they're funny.

This is not funny.

This really is not funny.

And you have a guy like Van Orden, by the way, Becca Cook did a hell of a job against him, and I'm hoping she takes him on again.

This guy's a disgrace, a disgrace to the Congress.

But getting back to this other thing, right, they fire nuclear people, try to rehire them, can't find them.

They say, give me five things that you did, or you resigned, and then defense, and the FBI as well did the same thing, so don't respond.

This is the

This is the overgroup and furors fighting among themselves.

The furor stands above it to Trump and furor and the overgroup and furors start fighting against themselves.

This is what's going on.

And I'll tell you, treating human beings by brandishing a chainsaw and pumping it up and down and bragging that you've cut people's livelihood.

You think that's funny?

You

think that's funny, Jack?

Well, let me tell you something.

This guy does not have American values.

He does not have American

values.

855-752-4842.

Matt has been kind enough to stay around to finish up these calls.

855-752-4842.

Let's go to the phone lines.

Dale, listening on WISS in Oshkosh.

Dale, thanks for holding on.

Let's see you.

Hey, Matt, great hearing you again.

As a person who is totally dependent on social security for my retirement,

and seeing how musk is trashing everything.

What if, what say you if things blow up on a proportion and Trump wants to compel the military for martial law?

Great.

There's an excellent question.

The military cannot and constitutionally should not be used for any domestic purpose.

If he suspends the, he has to do what's called suspending the writ of habeas corpus.

and then declaring some kind of rebellion or an emergency.

If he does that, our federal judges, even the six tarantulas, will have no choice but to enjoin it.

Now, even if they enjoin it, they don't have an army.

You know what it gets

down to?

Matt, tell folks, put it down there where the chickens can get at it.

For those of us who aren't illegal people, what does enjoin mean?

Well enjoying it the federal judges may say no, you can't do that.

No, you can't do

that Okay,

but they have no army.

They have no army And so if Trump says the army is gonna do it and the federal judges say no, you know what it comes down to which is really said Who does the army obey?

Yeah, and what's sad is the army is very diverse and it may obey different tests.

This is third world stuff

This has gone on in Latin America.

This has gone on in Africa.

And Trump is plunging us into this.

And on social security, he could very well by executive order say Musk thinks that we should privatize it or reduce it by 80% or 20%.

And it'll go to the sixth tarantulas.

It's very dangerous what he's doing, and he's avoiding the Constitution.

855-752-4842.

Let's go down to one of the Abat and I's favorite cities in Wisconsin, Monroe, Wisconsin, home of the cheese bakers, Angie and Monroe.

Angie, what's up?

I just want to say I've never been so embarrassed to be an American.

It's pretty sad what I'm seeing.

I am totally with Ukraine and I'm glad that we're talking about this.

That way I can

college empathy thing and I'm glad we're talking about it that way we all get together with ideas.

We got to do something to save America.

I don't even know what to say.

It makes me sick to my stomach and I have to be scared every day and these people think we should be on brushes side.

What?

I don't even know.

I'm arguing with somebody on Facebook about this and she wants us to be on brushes side and I'm like

I will.

No, that is not what we do.

It's like, you go to Russia then.

Why do we have to change America?

Yeah.

Great.

Angie, let me just make a, yeah, if I can just respond quickly to that.

Angie, I would look at it this way.

I'm never ashamed to be an American.

I am proud to be an American.

We have an un-American president that snuck in and is destroying the constitution.

The Russians have been responsible for torture.

invasion, genocide, and fraud for a long time.

In the Second World War, Stalin killed tens of millions of people, millions of Ukrainians killed.

Trump is siding with a torturer and a genocidal sadist.

We do not consent to go along with that.

Get on the phone right away, call the Ukrainian embassy, call the NATO embassies, say, we stand with you, do not trust Trump.

We do not support Trump.

I echo Matt Flynn's comments.

I am proud every day to be American.

Predominantly, there are men and women in uniform and others across America.

I'm proud of Matt Flynn, too.

Come on back.

More questions with Matt Flynn next with Todd Albaul's show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

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Upon a ridge he rested as he went along his way.

When all at once a mighty herd of red-eyed cows he saw, plowing through the ragged skies, and up a cloudy draw.

with the U.S.

Constitution in one hand and his mighty writing pen in the other.

Helping save America each and every day, Matt Flynn Direct joins us, a two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, an attorney and Navy veteran, and yes,

An author, always glad to have you here, Matt Mundy.

It's with Matt, 21 past the hour of one o'clock.

Let's go right to the phone lines.

One more call to get to here.

It is Cindy in Appleton being very patient.

Cindy, thanks for holding on.

What's your question and a comment for Matt Flynn?

Well, I would just like to say that for everybody that calls to the radio station, they should be

As soon as they hang up, they should be calling their federal senator and their federal congressman and telling them to knock this off, do not cut social security.

As a matter of fact, I talked to Tony Weed's office last week and that office assured me they were not going to touch social security, although I said, I don't believe you people because you're a backer of Trump.

Every time someone calls, they should also make that call to the legislators and tell them the same thing they're telling you.

Excellent point of view.

And in addition to calling ambassadors saying we stand with Ukraine, what you're saying is very, very important.

The Republican Party ever since George W. Bush has floated the idea of privatizing Social Security and also voucherizing Medicare.

So they would give you a voucher for Medicare, and you'd have to buy your own insurance, and they'd privatize Social Security, make it into a 401k.

If that happened, people would get cheated on their investments, cheated in the stock market.

You'd have to hire a lawyer to get the insurance company to cover your injuries.

We can't let them do that.

Musk believes in that.

Musk will recommend that to Trump.

Trump will then possibly try it by executive order.

That is unconstitutional.

But the sixth tarantulas on the Supreme Court, if they side with him, because they already have on a lot of things, that could be a very dangerous blow to our economy and to our country and our culture.

So I stand exactly with Cindy.

Thank you for calling.

Go to hear from you again.

Call all of them.

Do not touch Social Security.

Do not touch Medicare.

Don't voucherize them and do not privatize them.

Those are the words.

Don't privatize Social Security.

Don't voucherize Medicare.

I got to get to a speed round here, Matt.

I want to get your take on this.

This is a longtime Democratic strategist, James Carvel, one of the architects of the Clinton campaign.

Still goes on podcasts.

He was on a podcast over the weekend, Matt.

This is a very hot take.

But I want the audience to listen to this from James Carville.

He thinks that national Democrats should do right now and a prediction and get Matt's take on the other side.

Here's James Carville.

Well, okay, I'm a tease of peace.

I'm pretty sure be coming out.

I'm doing it at New York Times.

Probably Monday or Tuesday, but sometimes they'll kill it.

But what I've said very publicly, Democrats need to play possum.

This whole thing is collapsing.

It doesn't need Elizabeth Warren,

in somebody screaming to pacify some progressive advocacy groups in Washington, which, by the way, I wish these people were just useless.

They're actually worse than useless that they're detrimental.

And they never, ever learned to shut up.

And so, Dan, this is what I believe.

I believe that this administration, in less than 30 days, in the midst of a massive collapse, in particularly a collapse

in public opinion.

Delavope at Harvard, who's very good.

I used to think once I saw a Harvard youth poll, I discounted it, I've come to say it's a damn good poll.

Pretty good guy.

He's gone from 53 approval to under 30 to 39.

That's a collapse.

And all we need to do, the analogy I use, is picket is 500 yards from the stone wall.

Hold your fire.

It's going to be easy pickings here in six weeks.

Just

lay back.

It goes on from there, Matt Flynn, but that's James Carville, longtime Democratic strategist.

He's saying that, and we see this in Wisconsin over the weekend, some of the Republican congressman, Scott Fitzgerald, Glenn Grossman, others.

Lots of citizens of Wisconsin coming out and their voice heard, Carvel's predicting that this whole thing is going to collapse, especially when it comes to whether Congress does a continuing resolution or trying to pass a budget that ultimately they're going to have to come to Kim Jeffery as the Democratic leader.

And when they do that, that game over.

That's what Carvel's saying.

Here's my listen, I think a lot of Carvel, I think he is one of the best strategists we've had in this generation.

But I disagree with him in this respect.

The waving the arms, the shouting and all that kind of stuff, I agree, is not particularly effective.

But remember something, Trump just got elected.

He's in for basically four years.

And in those four years, he's put an administration of animals in there.

If you take a look at their pro-Russian, their anti-vaccine, they don't care to give a damn about the American people.

If we simply play possum, they're in there and they have compliant federal judges.

You've got, there is an old adage that says the Supreme Court follows the election returns.

And

that is less true now, but it is true that we have to get public sentiment out there in space.

Now the public sentiment, I mean, I like Elizabeth Warren, but she's not particularly effective.

She shouts and yells and everybody just takes it.

They go, well, that's Elizabeth Warren.

But everybody who's just called into this show, everybody.

who either calls their representative and says, don't touch social security or we stand with Ukraine.

We're not going to let this clown do anything about that or call the Ukrainian embassy and say, we stand with you.

Do not trust Trump.

That is essential.

It's essential.

We can't play possum.

I mean, he's from Louisiana.

He plays possum.

Look, we can't play possum.

The point of the matter is how we don't play possum is important.

And you don't go out there, we have a scarecrow and waving your arms.

Everybody's got to get behind this.

Stand up to everybody.

We're with Ukraine.

Trump is a traitor to the United States.

Matt Flynn, one minute.

It's all yours.

Tell us about your latest works in writing.

Well,

let me tell you, I've written five, I published five books.

But the one you might enjoy is, is a series, three series, the Bernie Weber series of this guy from Wisconsin, who's a math genius.

And he cracks the ISIS code, the Chinese code, and he's cracks another one and basically saves the country.

You really like it.

And it

also has a lot of the ideas that I've thrown out on the radio.

So here it is Matthew Flynn go on Amazon or Barnes and Noble or anywhere and go, it's China code, hunting Bernie Weber and Milwaukee Jihad.

And you will learn a lot about Wisconsin.

There's not a ton of math in there.

He's just a good kid, Wisconsin kid getting the job done.

Matthew J. Flynn, great author, great friend.

Matt, always a pleasure.

Thanks for the generosity of your time, my friend.

We'll talk to you soon.

Talk to you soon.

Thank you.

Thank you so much, Matt Flynn.

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Welcome back to the title ball show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

34 minutes now, past the hour of one o'clock on Monday, February 24th, 2025, Zomers on the board.

Many thanks to our friend and ongoing contributor, Mr. Matthew J. Flynn, Matt Flynn.

Always gets a lot of people involved.

Always, while I love about Matt as being an attorney, being a veteran, he knows facts and...

Anybody who could bring his facts and help us understand things in an understandable relation when it comes to legal things, when it comes to the military, I find that a benefit.

And certainly he has a take and a point in, and we agree a lot.

We don't always agree on everything between Matt and I, but that's what makes us great friends is that we can agree to disagree sometime and always laugh about it,

right?

Yes, laughing is definitely something to appreciate about Matt Flynn because he's a very funny guy.

And also, yes, I like how he will share

that things are his opinion.

Right.

As opposed to just stating everything as a fact.

Yeah.

Really great guy.

Check out his books again.

Matthew J Flynn at Barnes and Nobles or Amazon.

I have all of them.

They're fantastic reads.

Some are lighter-hearted reads.

Some are more serious, but you're always going to get a great time.

Matt Flynn, wherever you buy your books.

I knew the plane that James Carvel cut would get some responses that we have.

And I'm wondering if we're not gonna replay it again, but basically James Carville over the weekend in a podcast for a long time Democratic strategist was credited with helping Bill Clinton get elected and reelected in the 90s.

James Carville's, it's a hot take.

I'm not gonna say it's not, it's a hot take.

And what James Carville is saying in that clip is that he believes that, and he's using a term, right?

He's saying that Democrats should play possum for a little while.

I don't think that he's talking about every single person in America.

I think what he's talking about in the way I took it was democratic leadership, the people in Washington, rather than going out and, you know, in Carvel's words, doing more damage by really saying some very left extreme things in some cases, just kind of let Trump sit there because he thinks in a month to six weeks,

Because remember, we haven't talked about this hardly at all, and we'll have Matt back on, because he's really great at talking about this as well, that, remember, Congress pushed kick the can down the road.

Coming up here very soon, Congress has to either pass a continuing resolution to keep the federal government running, or pass a budget, or the federal government will shut down.

And so remember Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House of Representatives, has what a two, two, three seat majority right now in the House of Representatives.

So I think what Carvel is saying there is, look, Trump's policies as they get rolled out on the hour now almost, cutting defense, cutting, we just had another story today we haven't gotten to it, that

several staff, more staff members in the United States Department of Agriculture in Wisconsin have been let go.

As somebody who grew up in rural Wisconsin and gets there a lot, we would just spend time up in Hayward, travel around the state.

When people's, there's a program called the CRP program, CRP, Conservation Reserve Program.

And what it does is it pays,

People in rural areas that have highly erodible land on big hillsides pays them not to farm that per acre And then you have to I used to have I when I had my farm I was in this program for a while And it pays you to plant natural native grasses and alfalfa To help the land recover and a lot of farmers a lot of rural people.

There's also forestry programs and others

They pay their taxes based on these federal programs for CRP, for forestry, and others.

When those programs start going away and people can no longer get that money.

Things like that.

Then you're going to see people in rural America start saying, wait a minute, I didn't vote for this.

And I think what James Carville is saying there is, don't alienate those folks.

Don't start bashing them.

Wait for this to just play out.

And when the Trump administration starts collapsing, hand over foot, that's when Republicans in Congress, Johnson, the Speaker, is going to be forced to go to Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader in the House, and say, we have to have your help to pass a budget or a continuing resolution.

And Carvel's saying, that's.

when you know you've got the power.

So I wanted to clarify that because I don't think Carvel's saying, you know, don't, he would, I think, encourage as would I, people to go out peacefully, demonstrate, show up at these town halls to congressional people, let your voices be heard peacefully, but show up.

855-752-4842, let's go quickly to the phone lines.

Jack listening in recede pardon me.

I'm sorry a little burp there jack.

I apologize jack and recede go ahead

You know what

you know what it is jack.

I found I've got it right here over the weekend I found a new protein bars called go macro Go macro bar there and they're made in my home in my home Richland County in Viola.

They're fantastic So I was having a pro macro bar and I had a little burp anyway.

Go ahead

All right

Yeah, I disagree with Carville, you know, but I think you, I like your idea better, your interpretation of what he's saying is better than what he said, I think.