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with Sherwin Hughes for Real Sports wants to know what do you think about the Department of Education cutting funding for cosmetology, massage therapy, culinary arts, medical dental assisting, social work, mental health counseling.

So this is weird because I actually did read a little something about this.

Those professions and there's a few others on the list are deemed not worthy.

their degrees because the Trump administration under the leadership of Linda McMahon who's the damn education secretary the wife of Vince McMahon who was the is he still around is he still the WWF WWE Deuter is he gone?

He had to sell it because he was forcing women to have sex with black dudes.

Oh, you know, I think I saw a documentary about that.

Yeah, yeah, he was he was he would have their women and he would like it was kind of a PDT situation how he's getting off on

having the black dudes, you know, gang.

Well, I don't want to get too good.

Yeah, that's right.

So women.

So women wrestlers had like a hazing process.

If they wanted to be involved with whatever the women's league was, they they were subjected to having to perform a bunch of sexual acts.

Yeah, that wasn't a documentary.

But then there was also something else in that damn documentary.

Oh, um.

Because they do these skits.

I think one of the skits he was supposed to make out with his daughter Stephanie McMahon, but they pulled it At the last minute because his daughter was very heavily involved as well When you're into that kind of entertainment The extremes that you have to go to to keep people watching ultimately will become obscene

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

So those degrees

They were deemed by the US Department of Education to not be worth Their degrees, but here's what I got from the article and maybe this is what you're relating to for real sports If you have loans, let's say you went to school for cosmetology They're gonna forgive your loans because they think your cosmetology degree is not worth anything Even though you very well could be making good money as a cosmetologist.

So they're on the list

Degrees where if you have loans because you went to school for any of those social work is another which is insane because we totally need social workers But they'll forgive your loans So then let the Trump administration let the Department of Education deem those degrees not worthy if they're gonna forgive your loans because it doesn't mean You're not gonna get a job.

They just think that the opportunities with those degrees are few and far between so Whatever I don't really Keep up with a lot of

policy legislation and executive orders coming out of the Trump administration because a lot of it isn't real.

And a lot of it when brought to a court gets overturned.

So it's it's an incredible waste of time.

So when Trump kicked a handful of news and media outlets out of the White House press pool, they

Then the judge didn't injunction.

I said within 96 hours, the judge did it in 72 hours.

They got reinstated.

Trump tried to kick him out again and it didn't work.

So it's such a waste of time.

Now he's stealing from the country.

I want people to bear witness to how far some Americans who consider themselves patriots, how far they're willing to let a person go.

that shares their same antiquated beliefs on race and culture.

I want us to realistically understand what is happening in your nation.

We try to manufacture reasons why Donald Trump is the way he is.

A lot of times we just dismiss him as crazy and we call him names.

There is something that is taking place right now right in front of the American people's faces that we don't even see.

Spanish run for president three times and he's won two and he's dramatically worse the most recent time he got elected We will allow for a man To have sex with children and have proof of it as long as he hates Mexicans as much as everybody else does as long as he wants to take away advantages that black people get and take away

DEI and take away affirmative action, they will allow this man to get away with sleeping with children.

And you can't call it nothing else.

And they got nothing to do with conservative policy.

They got nothing to do with abortion.

They got nothing to do, none of that.

If there's a cohort of people in this nation that don't know black people, don't understand black people and still think of us as a half step above slavery.

If there is a person that you can elect that feels that same way, you will let them do whatever they want, including start a war and rip you off when you go to the gas pump.

That is what Americans are willing to do.

We are suckers.

We are easy targets.

If you give a white man show a white man someone that's lower than him, he'll pick his pocket for you.

You're witnessing it.

That's as plain as it can possibly get now you can make up and manufacture all the other reasons as to why somebody likes Trump You know what tell you what finding a Trump supporter and ask them to lay out while they like him It's all make believe it's all lies and you know what they're gonna start with well Joe Biden shut up shut your mouth Well, well, but shut well Obama they know what it is

Trump hates the same people they do and they feel vindicated because he's just not a regular person then hates the same people the things that black people are getting over all this DEI and all this affirmative action because if a white person is out of a job and a black person is somewhere driving a Bentley the white person all of a sudden feels oppressed and I totally get it white people but this is supposed to be your country here's the problem some of y'all ain't smart you're not you just expect a bunch of stuff you expect the job you expect the promotion

Because your lineage of your family didn't really have to compete against us.

And when a white person has to compete and when they lose that to them is oppression.

But we have to extract.

These lessons.

So that we don't repeat the same thing in the future.

I talked about even black peoples.

Pension for fascism fascism is not difficult to implement All you have to do is have people that are economically deprived in a nation that's diverse and You tell the people that we're here first or that feel entitled to everything all the jobs all the Opportunity all the wealth if they are losing because of competition because of foreign competition

We don't blame maybe the failure of our education system or the failure of our nation to prepare us to be competitive.

We blame the other people that are getting the opportunities that we think should be ours.

And if you can take this, just make it a microcosm just to the black community.

If you ask black people what should happen to other black folks, criminal black people that cause a lot of problems, black people don't take care of their kids, black people will tell you, oh, we got to get rid of them.

We need to ship them off somewhere.

Some black people will say, oh, we need to have the death penalty for them.

That's fascism and we'll justify it too.

Well sure when these people cause all these problems We got to kill them because they're not getting any better They're not making things better.

We got to kill them.

That's that's literally genocide.

That's ethnic cleansing I gave examples of how that example I just gave happens all over the world You got some white people in some countries that want to get rid of other white people because of their religion because of whatever because of their culture Happen in Serbia

Happen in Nazi Germany because And I'm not trying to split hairs here But Western and Eastern European Jews are white people.

They're not some medic not from the Middle East They lived in Germany and Poland for God's sake.

Those are white folks Nazis also very white.

They'll tell you they're the whitest and Those are white people that want to get rid of other white people

So it's common.

It's a universal thing.

What democracy is supposed to do is identify that and extinguish it by doing one thing and one thing only, educating people.

That's it.

That's the only function of a democracy.

It's not all fair representation.

We live in a republic and it's capitalist too.

But at the very least, democracies are able to survive, thrive, and overcome the worst impulses of man.

with education.

So once education fails, everything else will crumble.

Let's talk to someone who knows all this stuff very well.

Hello,

Millison.

I mean,

like I need to talk loud when you're on the phone

because it's always very loud

where you're at.

I'm I'm driving.

Okay.

All

right.

Okay.

So listen,

yes,

you hit on something you were talking about Donald Trump.

You know how a lot of people who voted for him and supported him are now saying, Oh,

I voted for.

This is exactly what you voted for.

And we can't let you off the hook because you'll make this mistake again.

Because

I feel like a lot of the people who are saying, I didn't mean to vote for this.

If you run again, they vote for him again.

So we need to let it be known that if you voted for Donald Trump and you supported him, all of this that's going wrong is your fault.

It falls on you because you made a conscious decision y'all voted for him three times Y'all even tore up the capital for him.

You don't get to say now this ain't what I voted for I agree fair enough.

That's my opinion.

Yeah, that's my opinion I don't and I've been forced forward that when people are like, oh This gas is so high.

This ain't what I voted for.

This is exactly what you voted for

And to be clear, you wanted high gas.

This is what you wanted.

This is what we wanted as a people.

We can't act like now.

This ain't it.

And he's in office and he won.

All right.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

All right.

So they voted for the racism and they thought they were also going to get a good economy.

So they didn't vote.

So this is a consequence.

Let me give a better example.

You marry a person because you love the version of them that you married.

But five years later, they're punching you in the face.

And then you come to us with a black eye.

That's like us saying, well, you married a puncher.

Well, no, not.

Well, you married somebody that was nice.

They ended up doing some punching.

So we can't say, oh, you.

voted for higher gas prices.

People voted for the racism and they thought they were going to good economy.

They got the racism, but then they got a bad economy.

That's that's what they voted for.

They voted for his hate.

They voted for his division because we're don't we always say Milwaukee's a segregated city?

Like we're not the only ones people want to segregate.

Even black people say integration was the worst thing for us.

And if you have someone that is willing to say how Americans really feel.

That person becomes attractive and then you have to add in other things like, okay, I can't just like him or vote for him because he's a separatist and a segregationist.

He wants to punish people that aren't from Americans in the back.

He's also a businessman too.

He's also really rich too.

So they got to fill in the blanks with arbitrary things.

But yeah, this is just, it's what happens when you vote for someone.

Who's a felon?

Americans I Get

angry having to talk about this It's like you know how much stuff I've said on these airways over the years and some people they still ain't learned nothing The president of the United States is the top law enforcement officer in all of the land they enforce the law their law enforcement They veto laws they sign laws they can pocket veto a law and they have executive orders and they get the power

to choose cabinet secretaries to help them execute the law.

I just think about this practically for a moment.

Take the emotion out of it.

If someone is a convicted felon and you let them be the chief law enforcement officer, why don't we do this?

Why don't we take the worst and most hardened criminal in San Quentin and make them the warden?

That's exactly what we did.

And so everything that comes after that.

It's part and parcel to a criminal enterprise.

But Americans didn't see it that way, because if I ask most people what it says in the U.S.

Constitution about the duties and powers of the president, they're going to make up a whole bunch of stuff.

Well, the president is the American, and they do the American, and the president makes the ding-dong-ding-dong-ding-ding.

Most people don't know what a president does.

They have no idea they're older the president they do the thing that the president can make black people rich and happy and the president no Congress does that Congress can make us rich and happy There are a bunch of imbeciles even the good ones are just Let me not say that Congress is representative government There's supposed to be 500,000 people in every congressional district, but some of them have close to a million

Because we're not expanding the number of the representatives in Congress, like the U.S.

population is expanding.

We have the same members of Congress, number 535 plus delegates, that we had in like 1947 when you had two less states.

We still had them.

No, we didn't have 100 senators.

Did we?

No.

When do we have all of our states?

59?

Okay.

So population in America has grown since 19, let's say the 1960 census.

But with every 500,000 person increase in American population, we should gain another seat in the House of Representatives.

Another example is why red states can be so powerful, even though their populations are small.

California's got 40 million people.

Canada has 30 million.

Canada is a country.

California is a state, one of 50 states.

40 million people live in California and California has the same number of us senators as Montana Montana has a population as a state by the same population as the city of Milwaukee that ain't fair so Very small population states can balance out a state like California California is a very big liberal state But if California only has two us senators with 40 million people and Idaho has to and Montana has to

The Dakotas have a total of four.

Nebraska has to, Oklahoma has to, Texas has to, Louisiana has to, Mississippi has to.

All of those states have the same number of U.S.

senators as a state of 40 million people like California.

Some would say we got to get rid of the electoral college altogether.

It doesn't matter how many senators you have, we should just directly elect our president.

Whoever gets the most votes wins.

Well, hold on, sweetheart.

Hold on.

Because if we did direct popular vote, you think anybody would campaign in Wisconsin?

Nope.

Not enough people here.

If we just went to direct popular vote, we got rid of the electoral college.

Our presidents would be decided by probably five states.

The rest of the country be damned.

It would be California, Texas, New York, Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

That is the only places it may be Illinois.

No, no, not even Illinois.

Those six states are the only places their presidential candidates would campaign because why would you waste your time in states that only have two or three hundred thousand people?

Now, they would advertise there.

They'd run television commercial, but they're not going to not coming to Wisconsin, not going to Michigan.

Maybe Michigan might be the seventh state.

Michigan's got a fair amount of people, probably 10, 11 million people in Michigan.

But I'm not because.

Wisconsin's population voting population is only like 1% of the overall voting population.

But when you include us in the electoral college, we're like 4% of the electoral college.

So we increase our importance by at least the factor of two.

I think we might be 2% of the popular vote, but 4% electoral college.

So Wisconsin becomes important with the electoral college.

So that's

So that's what happens in government.

Okay, everybody on the same page everybody a little smarter now the president is the chief law enforcement officer So when you vote for president think do I want that person?

To enforce the

law Kamala Harris was a prosecutor We had a choice of the person that

prosecutes the criminals and The one that gets convicted Trump is the convicted felon

Kamala Harris is the prosecutor she wanted to unfortunately Prosecute this election and it just it didn't work because Americans value at some level a kind of lawlessness Because I think deep inside we believe the will of Trump can break the law a whole bunch.

We can too No, I wouldn't I Wouldn't recommend it the truth with sure when he was on one one seven a family be right back

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No,

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Should we talk about?

Because if I ask the audience What we should talk about they're gonna steer us way off course because some of them want to talk about some shameful things

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That's wild.

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Hello, you know, the Bible, I've said this before, and I'm afraid they did the Bible.

The reason we are so powerful, the United States is because they told the truth.

But they didn't do the truth They they wanted they heaven on earth and they still want their heaven on earth

who was they

billionaires and millionaires and companies and corporations just nobody who just is evil people now The thing that I wanted to do is

also say in the last point is one thing you did not say you know he's uh you know felon and everything else but he lied he lied i'm not starting no wars trump did i'm not doing this and i'm not and the people got hoodwinked

just he lied a lot and that's why he got in he just lied he lied so

you think lying is the the worst thing that he did no

the worst one of the worst things he did is when he was on that bus and he said when he said I'm moving you know I mean I knew

way when he started talking about Obama's, you know, his birth certificate, I said, oh, this man is crap.

I never heard of him until this man talked about Obama's birth certificate.

But you didn't

say how you've never you didn't hear a Donald Trump until 2015.

You didn't know that he was a New York real estate mogul and a socialite.

You didn't know you'd never heard of Trump towers.

You never heard of the casinos in Atlantic City that he owned all throughout the 80s.

You remember a show called lifestyles of the rich and famous Robin Leach used to host that show back in the 80s and they featured Donald Trump every other week.

You had never heard of Donald Trump

before.

Homeroom here legend legend seems like Martin Luther King and you know, just ejecting legend wait a minute, man I never heard to be a legend homeroom bro.

You're not

from Milwaukee though.

Yeah, I heard them but I didn't connect it connected together.

I connected it together when he talked about his birthday to me.

And when he got on that bus and man, he just didn't say that man.

He

really lied.

All right.

We got it.

Thank you, Bob.

All right.

OK, then now.

OK.

I've got the.

All right.

Al, hang on.

I'm going to take a break.

I'll come right back to you.

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That just came in here with his damn thousand dollar studded out diamond studded emerald trusted solid gold.

W W E W F wrestling belt.

and tie dollar sign is actually right outside the studio window right here.

Looking in.

Is that him?

Is that one of the guys going to be at the Bryce and Taylor concert?

I think he looked like a rapper.

Well, skinny.

That's

not that's not tied.

That's not tight dollar sign.

That guy looks nothing like

a rapper.

He's taking pictures of me right now.

This is a black kid with dreads.

They all look like rappers.

All right, you little racist.

How can I be racist?

All I do is help black people That's all I do so that entitles me to be a little racist I've earned the ability to be a little bit racist Hard as I work for y'all if you say so I'm starting to get old now because I wake up in the morning and trust me when I tell you I Love what I do.

I have the best job on earth.

I promise you there's nothing else I'd rather be doing but every morning I wake up

What am

I gonna

tell these

blacks today?

I gotta find something that's interesting, compelling, entertaining, stuff that we don't know, stuff that can help us, stuff that can move the needle forward.

Or I guess I could just talk about murders.

I could do that too.

I don't think that really helps that much.

Some days are easier than others.

Some days I can't wait to get here, just to get stuff off my chest.

And other days it's like...

Y'all don't know this but there's days where I leave here.

I'm like that show sucked And it's the ones that I think are the worst sure when that show was great.

Yeah bad taste Now we get it done though we get it done this the thing is I never know How it's gonna go Cuz once the mic turns on it's like we're boarding an airplane and we're on a flight

We land three hours later at the destination and we might have had a lot of turbulence.

You might have had the oxygen mask fall down You never know but you know for the most part it works Let's talk to Al sorry to keep you waiting now.

How are you?

I'm doing wonderful, but you know, I

don't feel these people who voted for Trump was hoodwink

They voted for it because it's like, because they liked it, it's deep down in their soul and they manning their daddy lying to them.

Y'all voted for it in 2024 when he was sitting there bragging about talking about another man's penis with water running down it like a waterfall, which y'all say you voted for him like he's a manly man.

Y'all voted for it when y'all got mad at migrants.

when the same Republican company was hiring them to work, but you never talk about that.

Y'all voted for them when y'all talked about the trend genders, but y'all don't say nothing when these Republicans get caught popping cherries on six-year-old boys and trying to turn a seven-year-old into a woman.

All of a sudden, you same Republicans are tight-lipped with gorilla glue while your teeth is looking like a dirty casket.

You hear me?

Your cemetery stone face fire hydrant, jump down junkie.

All right?

Then y'all sit here and did want to pay victim when you called on your staff.

But then when you see stuff being done wrong, you don't got nothing to say.

Then you sit here and say, it's America first when it ain't never been America first because all the people that's possible and ain't even in America.

He's robbing you blind.

Your rednecks and your family members and your Peckerwoods is losing jobs and you shit there on your stinky white ass and don't say nothing.

And then you talk about all the great things.

So no, they wasn't hoodwit.

That's what they voted for.

That's what it voted for.

But the question I really want to ask you white Republicans, why you didn't tell your mama and tell your daddy why you lie to me?

Why is it you wasn't warm enough or man enough to deal with your own sugar, honey, iced tea, and you gonna put your baggage on my shoulders and think it's okay for me to walk around here jaded and bitter because you didn't have enough to make that pack?

Why would you have me go out in this world?

And I've seen him looking stupid because you want to see her and lie to me but all I can remember is my white daddy walking around here and Tattie Wattie's with a holla on why he f'ed out my sister who grew up to be nothing but a junkie and a landlifter and a little whore.

Who got kids all in the fucking care system?

But y'all sure know how to get up in the bed and get that big black dangling that's going to all up deep inside you.

Come on.

Why is that?

Y'all sit here and act like everything is so good and great when you see the line in your face.

I don't think y'all dumb.

I think you choose to be stupid.

So whatever we get, we get.

So don't sit here and take your anger out on us.

Because we didn't boast for it.

We knew it wasn't good from the get-go.

Just like this white man who gave me the finger on his motorcycle.

That bitch fat white, sassy, fat, funky looking monkey.

I didn't get up fat.

I told him like this, you don't own the road, but you jump in front of here again, your fat ass gonna be a flying goddess.

So my question is, why are y'all being stupid for a peck of wood?

Like y'all, that's goddamn dumb.

I'm mad at your

mother, because your mama said, your mama said to stay beating your ass.

Bye.

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I only listen to the truth on weekends.

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I rewatched my shows to improve.

You don't listen to the morning show or the lunch break No, why would a mechanic watch other people fix cars and there's free time like I'll I want to improve my mechanic skills But I don't necessarily improve my mechanic skills by watching another mechanic.

I want to watch me I Do listen to Homer Bailey in the morning to see what the tone and the tempo is

You know, what's going on?

What stories they're covering?

Sometimes I piggyback.

Yeah, they didn't talk about you too much today.

I come up though.

I think he.

They had him said something about me if that's

yeah, they're mad about you not coming on the show for two hours.

I explained to them that's not going to happen.

Oh, really?

I explained it to Homer.

I did the lunch break because my show was over.

I can't be on their show while I'm preparing.

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I prepare.

I got to do a lot of reading and structuring.

I come down here, just say hi.

I stay for a segment or two, but then I got to get back up to my studies.

For me, the best part of this is not necessarily the execution of the show, because I don't know how that's going to go.

That's it's not up to me.

Once this might go out, it's in God's hands.

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Some debate with the person who goes by the name of white fella He said white fella You were telling people to shut their mouth about Trump when Biden was in office, right?

Who's that aimed at you were telling people to shut their mouth about Trump When I've been telling people to shut their mouth about Trump since the beginning

Here's what I've realized Couple things I no longer have the capacity to be politically correct all the time I Do not have an obligation to prioritize being nice over being honest I'm just not built like that because I'm not going to To coddle someone Who can't be objective and whose first response is emotional if anything maybe I'll do that with women

Because once you get a woman all emotional, now you're all wrapped up in a bunch.

But with men, zero tolerance for that.

And here's what I will say.

Some men are stupid.

You're stupid.

Sherwin, don't say that.

Then what do you call a stupid person other than stupid?

What do you call someone that is willing to completely sacrifice honesty, decency, policy?

Morality and the law to vote for someone who they are cooking for you're stupid.

That's the only

thing I Don't

have And it's willful and you know what?

What I'm gonna do I try to Make people less stupid some people definitely are like oh I learned some stuff.

I'm gonna be less stupid now some people listen to me get more stupid

I'm gonna do the opposite of what Sherwin says.

All right, then There's probably some They're gonna make this a referendum on David Crowley the conservatives and the Republicans are because they know that Tom Tiffany is a nothing He is a y'all could not have had a worse candidate David Crowley wins by 10 points.

I know I shouldn't say that I know I shouldn't jinx it

But you have an anti-trump effect.

You have the economy effect.

You got gas prices.

You got the war.

You still got the Epstein files looming in the background.

People would be okay with all of Trump's shortcomings if they had money in their pocket.

If things were cheaper, if gas prices were lower, if he didn't get us into a war.

Tom Tiffany is the worst response possible.

Tom Tiffany is such a bad response that the white state of Wisconsin is likely going to elect a black governor from Milwaukee.

You know how impossible that is?

You know how many governors we've had from Milwaukee if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think we've had any

But to get one now

Y'all gotta be mad at yourself that Tom Symphony is your nominee You would have been better with the Redneck Josh showman the walk Washington County executive just a redneck every time you ever see this guy He's a younger fellow

Always wears like flannel shirts and sleeveless hunting vests and you know those hats with the bent brims He's one of them kind of white boys.

He dropped out of the race for Tom Tiffany.

I

Like

Tom Tiffany He escaped the plane crash And nobody even cared We talked about it for like 20 minutes.

That's crazy like nobody even cares.

He has he has no charisma.

He's not interesting.

He's not exciting.

He's not gonna move the needle forward

Dude was a sync of fan for Donald Trump, meaning even when he was in Congress, he usurped all of his duties.

He gave all of his constitutional power and authority to Donald Trump.

And even Trump supporters don't want that here in Wisconsin.

And so I'm delighted that he's the Republican nominee because because because of Tom Tiffany.

So David Crowley is a good human being.

He really liked in his core and his heart.

He's a good human being's family man.

And I like the fact that David Crowley is.

Showcasing himself as a family man.

You ain't

not seeing that man one of Tom Tiffany's children.

Where your kids at Tom?

How come you don't want to be parading around with your kids?

Is them really your kids?

Did you rent them kids where your wife at Tom?

You got a wife you married?

You know what we say about them Republicans is old and they married he loves his mama Do his mamas in his commercials more than his wife is that's yeah loves mama.

I don't know don't talk about him like that

He loves mama's milk.

But David Crowley has sometimes in politics, the stars have to align.

Kelda Roy staying in the Democratic primary for no good reason cost Francesca the nomination.

Hands down.

There's no other way you can slice.

I'm not saying that David Crowley isn't a great guy.

He didn't deserve to win the primary.

But Kelda ate Francesca's support for no reason.

And I think it's some beef between them two.

I don't think you're gonna see the two of them authoring legislation together.

Because I think that Kelda was like, well, I think Kelda played a Mandela.

Let me explain how.

Mandela was like, if I ain't gonna be governor, you ain't gonna be governor either.

So I'm gonna get in at the last minute and just spoil it.

Now Mandela ultimately had to, he had to face the music and he dropped out of the race.

And Kelda, I think, played a similar spoiler.

There was never any logical path ever discovered where Kelda could have gotten the nomination.

It simply didn't exist.

And she knew that from the first poll.

She knew it after the fifth.

But she was like, I'll be damned if the younger, more liberal, more progressive, more charismatic assembly rep.

It's going to walk in to a democratic General election held it was like if it ain't gonna be me It's show enough ain't gonna be you should interview her about that.

She wouldn't admit it.

I know Kelda for Literally 25 years.

I'm gonna she graduate from law school.

Here's why I need to apologize to you cuz I it's like she's really really smart.

She's also Got a hell of an ego

Like, hella narcissistic, right?

Because she's smart.

I told her a long time ago.

I was like, Kelda, you're going to be governor one day.

Ooh, do I regret that?

No, she ain't.

She believed me because this is her second time running for governor.

And she ran for Congress, too.

Got whooped.

Got whooped by Mark Pocan.

My boy.

But yeah, Kelda was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Ain't gonna let you get all these sweet votes.

So the 60,000 votes had Keldor dropped out I'm gonna be fair and say 10,000 votes even though probably would have been more like 40 Would have gone to Fran Fran lost by like 3700 Keldor took 60,000 unnecessary votes away from mostly Francesca because they represent the exact same people

Kelda is the Senate so you know, it's a Wisconsin Senate district consists of three assembly districts The assembly districts are smaller legislative district.

The Senate district is the big one Francesca Hong is basically a subordinate of Kelda.

So Kelda was like my subordinate is not gonna show me of ain't no way I'ma let her become governor because Kelda is that kind of person the Conversations I've had with her over there.

She is cut throat whenever you get so here's the thing about women politicians

Because they've got to fight so much harder to get respect because it still is pretty much male dominated and when you talk to a fierce shrewd Dedicated like a fighter a woman politician like if you got Hillary Clinton in a room Give her a couple glasses of Chardonnay.

Hell give her a couple bottles I'm like yo Hillary tell me all about

Sherwin these son I'll kill him.

I'll kill.

I can't wait.

I'll kill him.

I'll go to war and I'll start why they're so just they have all this pent up anger and they're hell bent on revenge.

I'm not saying that male politicians aren't because they are too.

But when it comes to women, oh man, there's something else.

Shout out to the women and shout out to all of you and shout out to the lunch break, which is up next.

Now nearly two centuries later Boston's Museum of Fine Arts has granted ownership of two of Drake's large vessel clay pots to his surviving descendants quote our great great great grandfather never got to own a single piece of his own pottery or

to pass them on to his children or grandchildren, says Pauline Baker.

That's one of Drake's descendants says in a statement per WBUR's Andrea Shea.

So this comes out of Boston.

Today, the museum does all it can do to right that wrong.

So here is what I am requesting.

If there are museums that are displaying art and artifacts.

that were created and curated by enslaved people.

And we can find the descendants.

And here's the thing, these museums, like if you go to these museums, you know, oh, African American cultural art display.

They'll tell you everything about the whole family.

They'll tell you everything about the details of the plantation and all of the stuff.

They know who the descendants are.

You gotta give our stuff back.

Now, hold on, though.

That doesn't mean that when our creative endeavors are art.

is returned the ownership is given to the family then the family has options maybe the family wants to still have their great great great grandfather's pottery or art displayed in the museum but allow the descendants who are free people meaning they should have the freedom to decide what to do with something that was created by one of their descendants

Our great great great grandfather never got to own a single piece of his own pottery or to pass them on to his Children or grandchildren said Pauline Baker one of Drake's descendants following the official transfer of ownership the museum repurchased Poem jar from Drake's family.

See that's what I'm talking about Give the pottery give the art to the family and then buy it from them.

See there.

That's how we can make a deal

Everything is a negotiation ladies and gentlemen.

I know that some people may think I'm a little unusual or unorthodox because I always prefer diplomacy.

I want you to be able to sit down with any enemy and figure out a common ground.

Whether that's an enemy because of race or culture.

Or an enemy, maybe even because of political affiliation.

The art of compromise shall never die.

You'll have warring nations sometimes that'll sit down and have a summit, like the leaders of nations that are literally killing each other's children as they're sitting down.

Well, they're not always nice to each other, but at least they are meeting face to face to discuss some kind of resolution.

back into your corner and your enemy backs into their corner ultimately you're just going to destroy one another at some point diplomacy must be entered into the conversation i think this is a life lesson for anybody now the drake family and these descendants should be very very angry a lot of these museums for stealing their their ancestors work and then making money for centuries they've been making money off of enslaved people's art and inventions etc

but it's never too late to do the right thing.

Following the official transfer of ownership, the museum repurchased poem jar from Drake's family.

The family gave the other pot called signed jar to the museum of fine arts under a long term loan agreement.

So now they're loaning, that means that the museum is paying the family for the display.

of their descendants are like there's there's nothing unfair about that.

The only thing that is preventing this from happening is just simply greed.

We stole this from one of your ancestors and we're going to display it and we're going to charge money with this exhibit and we're going to keep all the money.

I've made money for hundreds of years off of the stolen work at some point.

Why would you want to keep something that was stolen?

But I get it.

I think that still exemplifies

How they don't see humanity in us even though the descendants are free in Recent years many museums and private collectors have responded to calls to repatriate stolen artworks and artifacts some institutions initiate the return process on their own while others are required to engage in repatriation bylaw so this needs to be an act of Congress if you as a surviving member of a family and if you can

ascertain that a member of your family, one of your ancestors, that was enslaved and they created something, they built something, they couldn't get patented or it's on display in some museum, Congress should pass a law that allows the surviving descendants to reclaim what that property is because it was taken unlawfully.

Or as we look at it now, it would be considered unlawful.

In the case of the Museum of Fine Arts, it was the former in 2022.

The museum collaborated with New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art on Hear Me Now, the Black Potters of Old Edgefield, South Carolina, an exhibition that celebrated Drake and the clay rich region he came from.

In preparing for the show, the museum worked with Drake's descendants.

Which led the conversations about repatriation per the New York Times wait until I tell you how much these damn pots are worth Oh, we didn't get to the valuation.

I didn't tell you that part yet So as I'm reading more about The Drake family and These beautiful clay pots, I'm looking at a picture of one of David Drake's pie.

It's beautiful.

It really is and it's all handmade

So I'm fascinated by this and it makes me wonder like what other artifacts are on display At other museums around the country and I'm so I'm looking in California.

I'm looking out west.

I'm looking You ain't gonna believe this Two stoneware vessels on display at the goddamn Milwaukee art museum will be returned to the artists living descendants and guess who David Drake

We have his art on display right here.

I didn't expect this to hit so close to home because I'm looking at a story from Boston.

I got an article from the Smithsonian.

I got an article here from the New York Times.

I didn't think that David Drake's pottery would be on display in the city in which I have called home my entire life.

And so here's the thing.

because the Boston Museum of Fine Arts entered into an agreement with the family to return the clay pots to the descendants and then they have a lease agreement with the family to continue to display those clay pots because see the family is getting paid now.

Now the Milwaukee Art Museum was like, uh-oh, what should do we give them back to?

The answer is yes.

The works were created by David Drake, a potter who was born into slavery in South Carolina around 1801.

This article comes from Wisconsin Public Radio.

Drake's work is known for its technical accomplishment as well as the poetry inscribed, and that's what makes it so valuable because this man should have never learned how to read and write, but not only was he an incredible artist, he was literate.

At the time in South Carolina for black people,

It was illegal to know how to read and write, quote.

He was also doing something at that time that I would call revolutionary and radical, said Cantana Souffront, the museum's senior director of community dialogue and adult programs.

He was literate, writing and signing his names on the vessels, so we get to benefit from that because we know who he is, which is crazy.

We get to benefit from that.

Who is we?

The family doesn't.

Drake's artwork has been at the Milwaukee Art Museum since 2010 when the Chip Stone Foundation held an exhibition that featured his work with Chicago-based sculptor Theester Gates in 2015.

The current vessels were put on display by the Chip Stone Foundation and have been at the Milwaukee Art Museum ever since.

In early September,

The Milwaukee Art Museum finalized a deal with David the Potter Legacy Trust, an LLC created by Drake's living relatives about transferring ownership of the vessels.

Yaba Baker is the fourth generation grandson of Drake.

He said a genealogist, Alice Hines, helped the family discover that they were related to him.

Quote one of these issues you run into is that slavery didn't really allow people to trace back He said as a matter of fact, we didn't even know that we were related to Drake The discovery of that lineage made the descendants the owners of Drake's work in 2025 they sent a letter to the Chipstone Foundation similar to the request the heirs had given other museums around the country seeking ownership of Drake's pots they reached an agreement in 2025 and with Boston's Museum of Fine Arts

the Georgia Museum of Art in July quote this is important because he was an amazing artist creator who didn't get to benefit from his work and thus his family didn't get to benefit from his work souffrance said this is an opportunity to do right by David Drake the artist and to share his work and hopefully Do the right thing by other artists going forward in the future something to take a break when I come back I'm gonna tell you how rich this family is now because they have now received

These clay pots, this beautiful art that has been owned and been on display in white museums for decades.

The family is crazy rich.

So if you think about it, our reparations can begin with just return our stuff.

Just return our family stuff.

And then maybe we'll make a deal with you.

Maybe we want to start our own Black History Museum.

Maybe we'll have a lease agreement with you.

Maybe these Black families that will now receive the...

the labor and the art and the artifacts from their descendants, maybe they will decide to have traveling museums or traveling exhibits all around the country, but at least give these families that option because the unfortunate thing is the museums oftentimes know who the descendants are, but they're making the descendants have to find the art and the artifacts at these different museums.

So take a break, come back, tell you the value of some of these clay pots.

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Don't I mean if you really want a pizza, I guess we get you is a 3 3 2 1 2 1 0 1 7 a 3 3 2 1 2 1 0 1 7 David Drake is the clearest case because we have actual market values of his art David Drake was enslaved in South Carolina and produced enormous

alkaline glazed stoneware vessels.

He did something extraordinary.

He signed his work and sometimes wrote original poetry directly onto it, despite South Carolina prohibiting literacy among enslaved people.

I got a feeling that a bunch of us could read.

We just played dumb.

I bet a bunch of slaves had like when the master went to sleep because I guess we had a couple of options because I felt like slaves stayed up late and like Gossiped and I know the term slave Sounds derogatory, but I want to distinguish and use that term specifically so you don't just think that they were just like regular normal people They could just like get up and walk away.

No, they were slaves They probably had like book clubs They probably all spoke the king's English

There today was an awful day on the plantation.

And did someone bring a King James Bible?

I'd like to go through a couple of passages and then teach some of our younger children how to pronounce vowel sounds.

Wouldn't that be amazing if we all just knew how to read?

But then when the master came, the master went, wait a minute.

I think I hear some rustling in the slave quarters.

And then the slave would see master and they'd say, oh, master, that wasn't us.

Oh, no.

And they start shucking and jiving.

And they say, oh, sure, that was close.

They got to pretend that they somebody should make a movie about that.

There's a substantial body of surviving material culture, writing and intellectual property and creative work produced or personally possessed by African Americans who had been enslaved.

Much of it is now held by federal institutions, colleges, universities, predominantly white museums, historical societies, archives and private collections.

They need to surrender all of it.

All of it or or we should just go get it.

Don't let me find out one of my descendants got some artwork on display They'll say sir.

What are you doing?

I'm about to get this painting Sir, you it's on the wall.

It's on display.

You better get out my face.

This is my great-great-great-great-grandma's painting.

I'm finna take this home Loaded in the back of my Tesla and I'll drive away silently because my car's electric Even though there's not a master inventory

It's hard to get a precise dollar a mile value for all of the material Created by enslaved people, but what we can do is identify important documentation and documented examples and construct a 2026 market equivalent valuation wait till you hear some of these dollar miles I got a whole list of stuff the things that we know Are and the families we can identify

That's on display right now.

It's like they're showing it in our face.

It's like you won't teach this history in schools, but you'll steal the property of Our people of our ancestors and display it But won't give it back to or give access to or allow the families So benefit monetarily but white universities white art museums have benefited financially That's still a form of slavery if you ask me

Alright David Drake called he was named Dave the Potter Signed and scribed stoneware vessels made while enslaved current custodian the Smithsonian Smithsonian the Met The Museum of Fine Art in Boston Crystal Bridges Museum and others its pots are worth fifty thousand to two million dollars

each.

David Drake's 1858 monumental inscribed storage jar.

That one is on display at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

It is worth 2.5 million dollars.

David Drake's 1862 poem jar on display at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History is worth 1.5 million dollars.

Oh, I'm not done.

And his family owns all of them.

Like, do you know how monumental this is?

They can borrow money off of the value of the art, and they can get money by renting these arts, these artworks, to the museums, because the museums are going to charge money to go into the museum.

The family gets to benefit from that.

But at any point, the family will be like, give us our sugar honey ice tea bag.

I'm coming to get it.

We're sending Sherwin to get our art.

Show up in some overalls Like cowboy hat on hey everybody.

I'm here to get the Drake family's art Put it in the be a put it right now.

Yeah, you white boy put it in the back here to collect it taking it back to the family I Don't know why I'd have to have a southern accent maybe for dramatic effect The 1862 poem jar created by Dave the Potter better known as David Drake

Currently on display at the Smithsonian National Museum is worth one point five million dollars The 1860 untitled verse jar also on display at the Smithsonian is worth two million dollars David Drake and Mark Jones 1859 Mark and Dave jar.

They sound like a rap group David Drake and Mark Jones Mark Jones

That's on display at the Smithsonian that value is between one million and two million dollars What's this one here David Drake 1852 signed storage jars on display at the Smithsonian it's worth six hundred thousand dollars Unknown enslaved Edgefield potters also on display at the Smithsonian the Metropolitan Museum of Art

$500,000 each and then it gets in all I got so much stuff here So there was a former slave this one is fascinating his name was Omar Ibn Sayed He wrote an autobiography he's a slave okay, he wrote his autobiography in 1831 in Arabic

So he knew Arabic when he was captured in West Africa and he wanted to tell his story so he wrote his autobiography by hand in Arabic and that was such a Fascinating discovery because first of all no one thought the slaves were any kind of literate in any kind of language, but Omar Ibn Sayed

Not only was fluent in Arabic, he also spoke English as well because you know as an enslaved person we had to.

His Bible is, or not his Bible, his autobiography rather is on display currently in the Library of Congress and it's worth five million dollars plus.

Now I don't know if they've identified any family members but if any family members did step forward they could assume ownership of that five million dollar piece of incredible American history.

Other Arabic manuscripts and writings from Omar Ibn Sayed collectively are worth an additional two million dollars Nat Turner.

I know he's got surviving descendants somewhere, right?

I'm sure he does The personal Bible that Nat Turner carried when he was captured is on display at the Smithsonian that is valued at five million dollars plus

Frederick Douglass's antebellum correspondences and manuscripts.

So this was a little bit different because Frederick Douglass escaped slavery.

So the valuation of his works and his writing is a little bit different.

So if he was an enslaved person, the values would be high.

But I think he's escaped in maybe 1838.

When did Frederick Douglass run away?

Somewhere around there.

He had great hair.

He did.

He had a big head of white hair.

He probably was 27 years old, but his hair was very great.

He's had a very large part of it in the middle afro.

It's very large.

I think Frederick Douglass married a white lady.

I mean that would make sense.

Why not?

Enjoy the freedom, baby.

You know what I'm saying?

His works on display at the Library of Congress are worth one to three million dollars collectively.

This brother right here

didn't even have a last name.

It's called him Ned.

Ned was an enslaved Mississippi blacksmith.

So I'm giving you examples of our art, our creations, our writings, our books that we created while we were enslaved that have now been stolen, confiscated by museums and they're on display at these museums and the families, the descendants, the surviving descendants of these inventors, these creators, these artists and these writers are now starting to see that they can claim ownership.

if they can prove that they are a descendant of the enslaved person whose art is on display and they can assume ownership of some of these very, very valuable works of art.

So if we look at reparations in this particular way, this is not anybody cutting us a check.

It's not the federal government going into the treasury, which would be counterproductive anyway, because why would you pay black people with black people's tax money?

That's silly because some of it would come from us.

But what if

the things and the collective value of what was taken from us and what was stolen from us is returned and it has market value.

And then we can have our own museums, our own displays, our own exhibitions, or even better, lease our descendants or our ancestors rather, art and artifacts to these museums, let the museums make their little bit of cake.

But then we lease that art to those museums so we get money on the overall value of the art.

But then also get payments from these museums because they are displaying.

Our ancestors are like, that's fair.

Problem is.

I got to find out who all the people are.

See if they don't let me find out one of my ancestors got something on display in the Milwaukee Art Museum.

I'll go get it today.

Walking around my Timberland boots on.

Just excuse me.

What are you doing?

Are you sure when he was from the radio?

Shut up.

Sherwin, why are you taking that painting off the wall?

Cuz it's my great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmamas.

I'm finna it's mine Sherwin, please don't take it even though it's rightfully yours shut up Benjamin Benjamin Montgomery.

Oh Here's an invention he created while enslaved a shallow water steamboat propeller.

So this is the situation where

Benjamin Montgomery was denied a patent because he was a slave and then his master tried to patent the shallow water steamboat propeller and The patent office said no because you didn't invent it even though you are Benjamin Montgomery's master We're not going to give you the patent either this invention was so revolutionary at the time because boats needed a different propulsion system to navigate

Shallow water, but it's also kind of weird because you probably invented this news probably used on ships that were transporting slaves So that's kind of counterproductive imagine inventing a new way to ship people and you're a shipped person But they say that that invention and the patent is worth between 250,000 and 1 million dollars take a break come back.

I'm gonna give you what we know so far

the collective value of art, artifacts, manuscripts, books, and inventions that were created and curated by enslaved people.

The value of all of those things that we know about.

I'm gonna give you that number on the other side.

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really a city girl asks who determines the value of art what factors and institutions are behind evaluating an artist to the status of quote master and how does that recognition translate into the monetary value assigned so fantastic questions not really a city girl like all that stuff is a science but then some of it is just not just speculation but it's subjective right if you have a if you're a collector

and you have an interest in African-American artifacts because you need something for your collection or you know the history and the value, you know the story behind it and the stories are very important as well because they add like this sentimentality to whatever the artwork is.

Whatever an art collector is willing to pay is what it's worth.

There's something else about art too and somebody mentioned it earlier in the YouTube chat as I was scanning.

commentary.

Art is a wonderful way to launder money because there's no real tangible way to prove its value.

I can have a painting.

Let's say it's a Leonardo DiCaprio not wrong Leonardo Leonardo da Vinci.

And maybe 10 years ago was worth $8 million.

Now it's worth $80 million and nobody can even explain why it just it just is.

There are even

Like investments that you can make Because buying a painting is damn expensive, right?

But we know that there are paintings as an example That are worth tens of millions of dollars and they go up in value almost in perpetuity because as time goes on Obviously they get older and older and older and their value just increases with time you can buy stocks in artwork

and it's almost never gonna lose money.

It's such a valuable and lucrative investment that you can actually buy shares in collections of art and add it to your stock portfolio.

Now, there's obviously some kind of risk involved, but art is so incredibly valuable, like the richest people, the wealthiest, wealthiest people, have a portion of their overall wealth in...

Collectibles and an art It's all like physical Displays of of their wealth some of it is status some of it is money that That family obviously has Stewardship over but it's not taxed if I have a ten million dollar painting if I have five ten million dollar paint That's fifty million dollars that I can borrow again so I can do a whole bunch of things with that

valuations of my art and also can pass it down to my family so when everybody gets all angry and mad tax the billionaires they own assets you can't tax boo boo you can tax their income all day long and guess what we do but you can have a billionaire who's on paper income is $50,000 a year and they'll give you all of that here take it

Yeah, cuz I take a certain amount of my money.

I put it in this investment I put it in this account I put it here I put it there I put it there and it's tax-free until you withdraw it So they make sure their incomes are very low.

You can't just tax their tangible assets Now in Europe they have this thing called the value added tax and though if you own a boat they'll tax the value of your but we don't necessarily do that here in America But taxing billionaires is a bit of a misnomer

And I think it unnecessarily enrages people because it's an almost impossible concept because think about this.

If you're a billionaire, do you think that you're just going to let your money just get taxed and given to a whole bunch of poor people?

No.

You will put a lot of your money and your resources and hard fixed assets like art that doesn't get taxed.

If I have a $10 million painting, I'm not giving a federal government 39% of $10 million because the value of my painting every year.

No.

I just own a $10 million painting.

Now when I sell it, I will then have to give in federal taxes potentially $3.9 million in federal taxes.

But to me, all right, because I might have paid $100,000 for the painting.

But a lot of wealth is crystallized in those kinds of assets that you simply you simply cannot tax.

All right, do I have a.

Full valuation here.

I think I do.

All right, here we go.

That's a lot of money.

Here we go.

What we actually know.

What Drake's do we actually know what Drake's pottery is actually worth?

A Drake poem jar sold at auction in 2021 for $1,560,000.

That remains one of the strongest market benchmarks available.

Other documents to Drake sales include If I'm not mistaken the family sold these He had a lot of stuff and it was all preserved too because it's a clay pot clay breaks easy And so they've been preserved which is another monumental feat

$420,000 for an 1854 inscribed jug $216,000 for an 1857 jar $96,000 for an 1852 jug.

Wait a minute.

When I was in middle school, we used to make little clay pots.

I remember being proud of my little clay pots, little clay bowls.

Y'all used to do have pottery class in school.

We used to make little bowls.

They were all lopsided.

I think one of the bowls I made had a hole in it so it didn't hold anything and it was all sloppy.

I brought home my mom.

I was oh, that's so nice.

I wonder where my pottery is.

What if my pottery's worth 10 million dollars?

Let me find out the Milwaukee Art Museum has the Sherwin Hughes fourth grade clay coffee cup that I made in 1984.

An 1853 jug made by Drake sold for $78,000.

Another jug sold for $72,000.

An 1851 jar, $66,000.

1855 jug, $48,000.

an 1862 jar sold for $40,250 and an 1852 jar sold for $27,600.

Those are actual transactions.

Those are not hypothetical appraisals.

And Smithsonian Scholarship reports 169 vessels made by or attributed to Drake with more than 100 bearing his signature and roughly 50 containing poetry inscriptions.

This creates a remarkable implication.

If only 100 surviving Drake pieces average $150,000,

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Welcome to our two of the truth with Sherwin Hughes.

We are discussing the value of art and artifacts and creations and invention by slaves in which they never got any credit nor received any monetary compensation for some of their works.

We come to find out that those incredible works

are so significant that they are on display in museums, they are owned by colleges and universities all across the country.

And what has happened fairly recently is families are finding their genealogical connection to these artists, these inventors, and these creators.

And these surviving descendants are going to these institutions and saying, we want our ancestors' property back.

Now, we can make a deal with you, university.

We can make a deal with you, Smithsonian.

You can purchase it outright.

Keep it on display forever.

Charge whatever you charge as far as admission goes to your museum.

Fair enough, but you're going to cash us out.

Or what the Drake family is doing is they are leasing.

Those clay pots and those jars to different museums so they are collecting monthly royalties for every single piece of art created by their ancestor This is a kind of Reparation that makes a lot of sense first and foremost because it's fair number one number two.

It's defensible and Courts have upheld it now the hard part is

finding out whom of our ancestors made things, created things, invented things that are on display somewhere, getting money and collecting revenue for somebody else, but finding our genetic connection to that ancestor so that we can reclaim that property.

These museums, my opinion.

Should publish everything they know about their survivors and the descendants of the art that they have in their collections because I got a feeling the museum curators They know who the families are and if they are withholding that information I would consider that fraud because you are depriving descendants of a tremendous amount of wealth Not will this thoroughly and totally satisfy what I believe is owed to African Americans it will not

But the Drake family now is collectively worth better than 30 million dollars Just because their ancestors art Was discovered at these different museums and just to give a more local example I Just found out this morning.

So he's from Drake was from South Carolina Jonathan Drake David Drake rather, I'm sorry

One of his clay pots is on display right here in the city of Milwaukee.

So now the Milwaukee Art Museum, I'm assuming that the survivors, the descendants of David Drake, clearly they're aware that one of their ancestors clay pots is here in the city of Milwaukee, but I don't know.

If a deal has been made, if the family has ownership of it, or if the Milwaukee Art Museum, actually I got the article right here, two stoneware vessels on display at the Milwaukee Art Museum will be returned to the, oh there we go, they are returning it, to the trust of the artist's living descendants.

The works were created by David Drake, a potter who was born into slavery in South Carolina in 1801.

Drake's work is known for his technical accomplishment as well as the poetry inscribed.

At the time, it was illegal in South Carolina for Black people to know how to read and write.

He was also doing something that at the time, I would call revolutionary and radicals said, Cantara Soufrant, the museum's senior director of community dialogue and adult programs.

He was literate, writing and signing his name on vessels.

So we get to benefit from that because we know who he is.

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Drake's artwork has been at the museum since 2010, when the Chipstone Foundation held an exhibition that featured his work with Chicago-based sculptor, theater gates, theester gates.

In 2015, the current vessels were put on display by the Chipstone Foundation and have been there ever since.

In early September, the Milwaukee Art Museum finalized the deal

with Dave the Potter Legacy Trust, that's the LLC created by Drake's living relatives, about transferring ownership of the vessels that the Milwaukee Art Museum has on display.

Yaba Baker is the fourth generation grandson of Drake.

He said a genealogist, Alice Hines, helped his family discover that they were related to him.

One of the issues you run into is that slavery didn't really allow people to trace back he said as a matter of fact We didn't know that we were later to Drake at all The discovery of that lineage made the descendants the owners of Drake's work valued act as much as 30 million dollars, that's better than hitting lottery This the pride you know what that does to the legacy and the lineage of a family

And the spirit of Mr. Drake knowing that what he created survived centuries and is now making his family rich.

I need you to think about the irony of that.

Mr. Drake had nothing.

He didn't even have his freedom.

Now his family is controlling art exhibits all around the country, including right here in Milwaukee.

If that's not a beautiful story.

who could be mad at that not also highlight something their theft and they're so brazen with their theft they know these museums know that there are probably surviving descendants of the works that they display and they're making these museums are making money they know that ladies and gentlemen that is still modern day colonization they are reaping the benefits and reaping the profits off of something that they didn't create

But it's stolen and they're still benefiting from it the right thing to do, but you can't ever expect them to do the right thing Find out who the descendants are they should be required in fact every museum That is displaying a historical artifact Should have a fundamental fiduciary obligation to find out if there are any before you can display it

Find out who the descendants are and contact them and give them first right of refusal because some descendants may not even care like oh, we don't want that you go ahead and keep it Some are gonna want their due compensation This also goes for Native Americans.

They stole everything from our native brothers and sisters everything and they'll proudly display it won't they oh look at this is Native American exhibits

Give us our stuff back.

Surrender it.

In 2025, they sent a letter to the Chipstone Foundation similar to the request the heirs have given to other museums around the country seeking ownership of Drake's pots.

They reached agreements in 2025 in Boston's Museum of Fine Arts and the Georgia Museum of Art in July.

This is all very recent stuff.

This is important because he was an amazing artist-creator who didn't get to benefit from his work and thus his family didn't get to benefit from his work, Sufran said, who was the Milwaukee Art Museum curator.

This is an opportunity to do the right thing by David Drake, the artist, and to share his work and hopefully do the right thing by other artists going forward in the future.

This year, the Chipstone Foundation

gifted the vessels to the Milwaukee Art Museum, which in turn gave them to Drake's descendants.

The family gave the museum the option to buy one of the vessels and is giving them a long-term loan on the other, meaning both can remain on display in Milwaukee.

And I'm glad they did that because they could have said, you know what, we're rich.

We're worth between 15 and 30 million dollars based upon our ancestors where go ahead and keep that one little pot y'all can go ahead and keep that They're like no you're gonna lease it.

I Love this so much for us I'm so glad I stumbled on the story because I didn't think that there'd be a local component to it This creates a beautiful parody between David Drake and other artists who have the privilege of being able to steward their works and display their works

and care for their work, Sufran said.

That includes caring for their legacy and the legacy of their families.

Baker said he wants to work with museums to keep Drake's artwork public.

He said he gave museums the option to buy the vessel because they had a plan to display it.

The number one goal for the family is to keep Dave's work out, Drake's work out in public.

He's an example of perseverance through very trying times and a lot of people felt voiceless during this time period.

That is just immaculate.

That really is.

And you can go and see the pots at the Milwaukee Art Museum.

But just know that when you pay your admission to the Milwaukee Art Museum that that money is going to the LLC, earliest part of it, going to the LLC created by the family in which they are benefiting.

Financially from the artworks of their ancestor.

I don't know.

I think I might be a little bit more vindictive and selfish But now give me everything I start my own museum Because there's like hundreds of pieces and they very well could have exercised that right, but you know black folks are always so damn nice You know what I mean?

We're sometimes we're a little too nice

one of the stereotypes is that You know, we're dangerous and Violent there's a lot of black people that aren't violent at all because I see some of these fight videos and some black people are getting their whole asses kicked.

They're not violent at all They're very weak and timid some black people run because they don't want to fight so we're not all violent, but why do we fight so hard to Try to change

That image I'm not supposed to understand because if somebody perceives us as violent then they may feel threatened by our presence or whatever But my thing is let them feel threatened If we're not doing anything that is threatening We're not brandishing a firearm or threatening anybody like verbally then let them feel afraid because you you feel afraid because you might Think that you're inferior.

In fact, that is why you feel afraid even if the black person isn't doing anything They're afraid shouldn't we kind of wear that like a badge of honor?

We can just walk in a room and just scare people

Like, we shouldn't always have to just be overly nice and be people pleasing so that they change their perception of us.

I kind of want people to perceive me as a little dangerous when I walk in a room.

You know what I mean?

When I walk in a room, oh, oh, oh, he's here.

Oh my.

I better tuck in my chain.

He'll snatch my gold chain off my neck.

Oh, no, he's here.

Whenever we get together and we congregate.

There used to be a law.

I don't know if it was a Milwaukee law or something in like the 1994 crime bill era where if you had a gathering, I'm not kidding.