2/23/26 7PM: Too Many Years

This is the Truth Unfilver with Denise Thomas and Dr. Ken Harris.

We live in a country that is based on capitalism.

True.

I travel all around the world, Dr. Ken, and when I tell you, based on my experiences,

this is like the number one country that cares like everything is about money.

Everything I've told people in the past.

You have to be careful of what you complain about and what you use as a tool

because other people will take it and use it in the wrong way.

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Here's Denise Thomas and Dr. Ken Harris.

You are listening to Truth Unfiltered as you just heard.

Thank you so much for tuning in.

It is Sunday, February 22nd.

You like how I direct the music and everything?

Oh, is that what you were doing?

You were being a conductor?

Yes.

I thought you were having another episode, Dr. Ken Harris.

Wow.

Way to bash the disabled, like me.

When you're having an episode, it's best, it's just best I let you just navigate it yourself.

Oh, my God.

I can't believe she did that.

Evan, see?

It's okay.

It's okay.

Excuse me, I'm being melodramatic.

May I?

Oh.

Carry on.

Okay.

All right.

It's our two.

So Dr. Ken, I'm going to ask that you pause for a moment.

I know that as a father, as a husband, as an award-winning talk radio host, those are

a lot of roles.

And sometimes you have to compartmentalize.

Sometimes it has to be multiple hats.

So when we talk about this, I just want you to pause for a moment and get complete with which hats or hats you want to put on as you react.

So for nearly a quarter century, a mother has been asking the same question that as far as I'm concerned, way too many black families in America.

And including Wisconsin have had to ask, did anyone really look for my child?

And tonight, that mother is saying that the investigation has failed her daughter.

She says the Milwaukee Police Department has failed her family and she is demanding answers.

So Alexis Patterson disappeared on May 3rd, 2022.

She was last seen walking toward high-mount elementary school.

She was seven years old.

Her stepfather, Laurent, bourgeois, I'm sorry, I'm totally not pronouncing that correctly.

Reportedly, walked her part of the way.

He later died and had ties to criminal activity.

Alexis has never been found in the case remains an open, cold case.

Now her mother believes a girl living in Ohio may be Alexis.

But she claims the mother is claiming that the DNA testing was mishandled.

And so this lawsuit, Dr. Ken, that Ms. Patterson is about to file alleges that the Milwaukee Police Department, there was misconduct, there was coercion toward the family,

Milwaukee Police Department, mishandled the investigation and created reputational harm.

And that's what this lawsuit is alleging.

So with that, considering overall missing black children cases compared to missing white women cases, because a lot of times we use it as the benchmark.

What are your thoughts?

A couple of things.

A couple of things I want to correct.

First thing is, I want to say that I feel bad for anyone who loses a child, especially, I don't even come out right, especially a girl, because I have daughters.

And so that disheartens me.

I remember I was a police officer during that time at the rank of police officer.

And I was working in district seven, they shift, they shift and they shift.

And so I remember being assigned, you know, on certain days to be there with the criminal investigation bureau as they followed up leads.

Either all the leads we have, this group is following those, this is following those.

So they were pretty thorough.

We remember leads we had that said, and I remember this one.

And, you know, God, forgive me.

If you're sensitive, I'll wait five seconds, five, four, three, two, one.

There was a report that she was buried in a cemetery.

And there's only one way to go check in a cemetery.

You have to go digging.

And I remember that day because my uniform was full of mud and my boots and shoes were soaked and it was raining.

And we did checks on pretty much everything.

I can't speak for the whole investigation, but the portions.

And I really didn't work it.

That was like that one day and then I was done.

And I don't remember much of any of it anyway because I wasn't in the criminal investigation bureau.

But I think what people need to understand is first, you can't compare one missing to another or one kidnapping to another because each of them has their own fact pattern.

They have their own chronological, logical, relevant events that would make an illegal case that are different.

So it's really difficult to compare.

They found this kid and not that kid.

They found this person, not that person.

They did their job here, but they didn't do their job there.

That's one.

The other one is, at some point, she is suing for mental English and reputational harm.

Milwaukee police state they haven't received a notice of intent of a live suit but confirm that a disappearance remains an open call case.

Well, at what point?

I don't understand why I understand as a parent.

It's your prerogative to do what you want when you want.

But at some point, the police focus on everybody in the family and everybody that secondary to the family, all the friends, the neighbors, everybody.

There's a whole process that you go through when you investigate something like that, especially a missing.

We're watching it play out with Nancy Guthrie and Tulsa.

So it's methodical and you check everybody.

You can't tell them, no, don't check my husband when we check everybody, every single person.

And so she has a right to sue, I'll give her that, but everything has to be looked into.

I had no hands on it.

I'm sorry.

I'm just trying to, because I didn't interrupt because I was, because you started off saying there were two things you wanted to correct.

So what did I say incorrectly?

Well, it wasn't that it was incorrect.

It was, it was something that people should understand is that you can't compare.

You said incorrect.

Oh, you can't compare a white case.

You can't compare a white missing case to a black missing case because each of them has their own set of they have their own fact pattern.

And so to say you did comparing a black case versus a white case, it's more so whether or not black missing black children cases receive the same urgency as other missing child cases.

But we can't compare because each one has their own.

If you're missing and I have zero information and zero set of facts and no follow up, no DNA, you're going to say, well, they didn't do anything on that case because they didn't have any evidence.

They don't have anything to follow up on.

So you're saying that we cannot compare cases based on racial identity because it's each treated on an individual basis because it's it's too base.

It's too basic, right?

If I only compare you to a man and I only use gender, well, I don't think that's fair to either of you.

You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. You can't compare something.

When you compare something at a base letter level like race, I don't know if you can say that because I don't think you have enough information.

Now, once you start going into the investigation, once you start comparing who the detectives were, once you start comparing how much time per day they spend on it, then you can make that argument.

But just to generally say black versus white, I don't think you can say that.

Evan, please tell me it's time to go commercial break because I need to collect my thoughts before I respond to doctor.

I need to remove.

Is it time for a break, Evan?

Yes.

Okay, because I can't believe you just said that doctor can.

Okay.

We come back.

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I have to go through what we call emotional regulation.

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I'm going to respond to Dr. Kins.

Perspective that you should not be comparing missing black children's cases to missing white people's cases because it's an individual thing.

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And now Denise Thomas.

I had to breathe y'all.

I love me some Dr. Kins being he almost will not but in addition to me loving Dr. Kins,

she almost gave me cardiac arrest.

So if you're just tuning in, we were discussing the missing case of Alexis Patterson who went missing May 3, 2022.

She was last seen walking toward high-mount elementary school at the age of seven.

She's never been found.

This case remains an open cold case now.

I asked Dr. Kins to provide his perspective based on the fact that he is a retired law enforcement officer.

One of Dr. Kins's perspectives, and I'm respectfully going to respond, challenges the idea that missing person cases are treated strictly as individual cases.

And therefore should not be discussed through a racial lens.

Now Dr. Kins, I understand and I respect the perspective that every missing person case should be evaluated individually.

That ideally the law enforcement and the media should treat every case that way.

We all go well.

That is not the case.

So let me just give some statistics here.

Black children are disproportionately presented among missing cases.

Black children in this country make up about 13 to 14% of the population yet they account for roughly one third or more of missing children cases in this country.

In 2022 over 36% of missing girls and women were black, despite black women representing only about 14% of the female population.

Advocacy organizations report that nearly 40% of missing person cases involve people of color, including a large proportion of black children.

So statistically the issue isn't hypothetical.

Black children and women disappear.

And let me say it differently.

Black women and black children, because I don't want to say black children and women and you're thinking I'm talking about black children and black women disappear at rates higher than their share of the population.

Number two, and then I'll pass the mic back.

The media coverage is dramatically uneven.

You have multiple academic studies that have documented the disparities in media coverage.

So white children represented about 54% of missing child cases, yet they received 88% of media coverage.

Black children made up about 35% of the cases only reference 70%.

Excuse me, 7%.

7%.

Another study analyzing national media news outlets found that black missing persons were significantly less likely to appear in the news compared to their actual rates of disappearance.

So the phenomenon has been widely described as missing white women syndrome, which is a term that is coined by journalist Gwen Eiffel to describe the disproportionate attention to missing white women and girls compared to black missing children, women.

That is a fact.

So it absolutely needs to be a factor because missing person cases are not treated individually based on these stats and based on these facts.

And I'm looking right at you.

Okay, so first of all, that's true as it relates to the media.

Now, your first argument put it in context. Why are they missing?

What was the outcome when you look at somebody that's missing and if you use race as the as one of the factors while you're doing the missing, you're going to miss

much of what you need in order to find the person.

You have to remain unbiased and open to figure out why.

So how do you do that?

How do you look at the fact pattern of when a person is missing?

When you remove, let me take somebody else because that's going to be a lawsuit.

When young Kenneth Harris is missing, they have to look at, they use what's called the trap method.

It's a legal research thing.

So when you go through and you do an investigation, you have to look at what property was identified.

Items are involved. You get the things.

The relationships determine what are the relationships between the parties?

Who do they hang out with?

Who do they talk to?

Who are the neighbors?

The actions?

What if they do?

He said he took her to school and then dropped her off and then she disappeared.

You're the last person to see them.

That's part of the relationship.

Then time and place.

What time of day was it?

Whose jurisdiction was it in?

What time did the events happen?

What time did you dress up?

Like all those things play a part.

Then how do you remedy this?

How do you identify who did this?

Those are things that you have to look at and you have to follow regardless of who the person is.

Absolutely.

Let me be clear.

I'm not arguing because that's why I prefaced this.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Did you want to wear this conversation?

I can wear multiple hats.

Investigate.

I'm not arguing that investigators intentionally treat cases differently.

You also talked about the media.

First of all, the media played to meet the most significant role because without media coverage, for example,

if the media wasn't covering Savannah Guthrie's mother missing case, no one would even know about it.

But the media is covering it and they haven't found her.

But what I'm saying is that the systemic factors are media coverage, public perception,

social economic bias, and assumptions about, oh, they probably just ran away.

This is what impacts how missing person cases are treated.

Again, I'm not saying that.

Treat it by who?

The police department intentionally treat it by who?

They have to then reallocate their resources based on who's getting the most attention.

It is a fact that I literally gave you stats and facts.

But they're not in, but the missing's aren't in context for me.

So we're just saying they're missing but you don't know why.

National statistics, when you examine national statistics and media patterns,

there is strong factual evidence.

I got that.

I agree with that.

I agree with that.

I received the same level of public attention or urgency.

But that is, that is media.

I'm not talking about media.

It's not about, but what I'm saying is that then investigators, I eat the police department,

they then are forced to put more attention because of these systemic,

and I'm going to say it, these systemic racial patterns that then result in cases being treated differently.

That is a fact.

In some cases, but I don't think you can generalize that across everybody missing.

You can't.

You can't.

They didn't cover every missing child.

Every missing child regardless of racial should receive equal visibility,

equal urgency and resources.

But that's, that's cute, but we know that can happen.

You know that can happen to anybody.

But cute.

Listen to what I'm saying.

Miss put it in context.

Don't don't do that.

Put it in context.

You know exactly what I mean.

Nobody can do that.

You can't give equal treatment to anything.

No police department can.

No media can't.

And part of the issue is because we don't, we don't run media.

We're not in charge of media.

We don't, we're not in leadership.

We're not managers, directors.

And so we're not represented.

So they, they do what resonates with them.

And if they're predominantly white, then predominantly white people are the ones that go to the top of the.

I totally agree with that.

I'm not arguing that point.

But I can't, I can't support statistics that

I don't know what context those Missings are.

I can't lump all Missings together.

I don't even know the outcomes of those Missings, of those cases they stayed it.

What were the outcomes?

We don't know any of that.

So to make just a generalization, that's, that's, that's weird.

I'm not making generalization.

I'm speaking for me.

I'm not speaking for you.

I'm not speaking for you.

I'm making my statement.

I'm not making it against you.

Should cases like this be reviewed by independent investigators after a certain number of years?

I'm sure it's been already, but absolutely yes.

Absolutely.

There should be fresh eyes on those cases at least once a year.

Do you believe, and I'm going to ask you, Dr. Campbell, then I want to hear from our valued listeners,

do you believe Alexis Patterson's case received the same urgency as other Missing Child cases?

I cannot make, I cannot make that decision because I was not a part of the case,

and I didn't follow it at that level.

So to make a general statement about that makes no sense to me.

I'm not going to do it.

I'm not making a general statement.

I'm saying you are.

I'm, and that was my, for me to make a, or having a conversation.

But for me to make a general statement as to whether or not I believe they gave a coverage,

I don't know.

I'd have to go back and look at it.

Somebody on the starting and limited talk and text line said,

Alexis has been missing since 2002.

Okay.

Is there anything else you want to add?

Because nope, that's what I reported.

Nope.

I'm saying somebody on the talk and text line said she's been missing since 2002.

If I said 2022, that obviously wasn't error, but she's been missing since 2002.

So dear listener, what else do you have to say?

Because what we're not going to do is, and we tend to do that.

We want to make corrections, but we don't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So if I said that she's been missing, it's a cold case, and I might have said 2022,

to tight, she's been missing since 2002.

Ah, gosh.

Like, how do you feel about this?

Ah, gotcha.

It's not your deflecting.

And you're picking the wrong person to do that with.

Eight by five, six, one, six, one, six, two, zero.

Is our citing unlimited talk and text line?

This is however you feel.

This is a very significant issue that takes place in this country.

Because again, I'm not giving you facts.

I'm not giving you feelings.

I'm giving you facts in terms of the number of missing cases.

That receive attention, throw investigations, and there is a pattern.

Black children are disproportionately represented among missing cases.

It's a fact.

Now, whether you want to describe it as a coincidence, that is a fact.

And this is a show that is focusing on black and brown people

in the state of Wisconsin, in the city of Milwaukee.

And whether you identify as black or not, everybody has been a child

at one point in their life.

Many of us have children, and many of us are good people.

So when we're covering topics like this, and your response is,

Alexis, the missing is 2002, that hurts my heart.

Because it continues to give the impression that black lives don't matter.

And for a lot of people, they get triggered when they hear that.

Try being one.

Try being one.

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Somebody on the YouTube chat said, like, do you need respect or submission?

That makes no sense to me.

So I'm going to pass on that.

You got something on the Talk and Text line.

Denise.

Let me see.

Jeff says the media will always play to their target audience.

Did you read that already or was it on off during the break?

That was during the break.

So yes.

So Jeff says up in Wabotosa, the media will always play to their target audience.

So if their target audience is a certain background, they will focus on stories

that will get them to continue watching.

If nobody watches that media, then that media goes away.

That is a huge factor.

No disagreement here.

Yep.

And that's why we keep hearing about Nancy.

Till it finally went away.

Well, we said that last, during our show last Sunday, somebody was like,

why does Nancy Guthrie get so much coverage?

And we literally said, would Jeff just send us on the Talk and Text line?

Money, money, money, money.

And we played that song.

So did Jeff.

No argument here.

And when you start repeating yourself, they're gone.

Just as fast as they showed it.

And with that said, the reality is that when the media, and that's what I was sharing

with Dr. Ken, when the media starts to place more focus on a certain demographic

because of the majority of the media viewers and the sponsors of the advertisements,

which ultimately is the revenue for this multi trillion dollar industry being the media,

it doesn't make it right.

That's what I'm saying.

You're right.

Absolutely right.

But the money drives everything in the world.

It drives ironically.

It even drives poverty.

I'm not going to say the world because this country, America,

it is the epitome of capitalism and somebody who has traveled again.

I've traveled quite a bit over the past five years.

I don't see money until to my truth.

I don't see money worshiped the way that it's worshiped here in the United States in other countries.

I would, like people, go ahead.

I would challenge a portion of your, trying to think how I'm trying to say,

I would add a portion of information to your belief and your knowledge

to watch the documentary, Poverty Inc.

It is the most eye-opening real document I've ever watched about poverty in another country,

in the Caribbean, in Africa, all those things.

And really, I think what it'll do is solidify how you feel about the fact that America is only about money.

And you don't see it at the level here anywhere else in the world.

But even those places that are poor,

it's because of things we do here.

And I just found it fascinating.

I live in a country where every decision that is made, especially when it comes to the government.

We just, we led with that, 2.5 billion surplus.

And where we've got our government trying to figure out what's the best way to do it.

Use that, utilize those monies.

And my point is this, everything that we do is based on money to the point where you have a generation of people

who are basically like, I'm not going to waste my time going to a post-secondary institution of higher learning

and incur close to a quarter of a million dollars in student loan debt,

when I could be a social media influencer.

I'm not worried about the lack of, or the deficit of healthcare professionals, i.e. physicians, anesthesiologists, therapists.

I'm not worried about that because I'm making $60,000 a month just being a social media influencer.

Everything in this country is about money.

Even when you go to stride, the neighborhood I live in, the school you go to.

Although you are pretty flat.

There's 52 weeks in the year.

And if you ask your employer for more than two as part of your personal time off,

you're going to be ready to work five years before you even think about getting three weeks out of those 52.

The average American, the professional worker that is exempt from overtime, i.e. salary and employee, average, 70 to 80 hours a week.

I'm not taking that job.

I'm saying there's so much emphasis to the point where I'd rather report,

or I'd rather not report on a human being that is a child that happens to be black because nobody cares and nobody will watch it.

So let me focus on Savannah Guthrie's mother.

That's what I'm saying.

To the point where if it's a missing child, if it's not going to give ratings, then why are we talking about it?

That's what I'm saying.

And if her mother hadn't said she was suing, what they have even talked about.

Exactly because it's again, how dare you.

So it just it just it makes me.

I'm not going to say emotional because I am working on emotional regulation and the ability to compartmentalize but as a mother and as a black woman and as a text pain law-biting citizen in this country.

But again, I can't say black lives matter because that's a trigger but yet I'm constantly reminded every day.

You know what I think we should do.

I think next time and I don't know when the next time we're on the radio together, we'll have to figure that out because we're both off next week.

I think it's like March 22nd.

Wow, okay.

Well, yeah, because of the books and all that.

And you get them.

So I think Nick Boer who wrote the story on WISN.

I remember being a police officer and remembering Nick Boer.

Like I remember working in radio on another channel and Nick Boer was there.

Like I've known Nick that long that I know, you know, his, his, some of his family.

And, and I think it would be really cool to have Nick on to talk about it because he's worked that case.

Like literally since day one, Alexis Patterson.

I would love to have him as a guest because I don't know what I don't know.

Yeah.

I'm just, you know, when I say I don't know what I don't know in terms of what it goes BTS behind the scenes.

And he's in the media.

He's got that, he's in the media.

He's got that perspective.

He knows where, you know, all the media bones are buried.

And so he can, he can really, you know, these are things the police did.

This is what I think the police should have done.

All those things.

I think it'd be great.

He's at WISN 12.

And again, I want to be clear.

I actually agree with you on something that is very important.

That every missing person matters.

Every mother, every father, every family deserves answers.

And you're right.

There's not enough, and this is also actually it came in through a recent comment on our text talk and text line,

citing the limited talk and text line 8556161620.

And they basically said there is not a missing person case, whether it be a man, woman or child, black or white.

That is not important.

There's not enough air time to cover every single one.

What do you propose as a solution to this problem?

And again, Dr. Kenny alluded to that earlier.

You hear what you want to hear, and I'm going to just say it again, because evidently I'm not conveying my message,

because a lot of times you hear what you want to hear.

You are absolutely right.

There is not enough air time to cover every case individually.

But the real question isn't whether every case matters.

The question is, how do we create systems that ensure every case has a fair chance of being seen and solved?

So instead of arguing about air time, yeah, we should be focusing on solutions.

And if you want to ask me, which you did, here's what I think.

Law enforcement, media outlets, community organizations can partner and collaborate to maintain those regularly updated dashboards or databases that highlight missing persons in real time.

That way the coverage isn't just limited by broadcast schedules.

Also, local news, stations like TMJ and the truth could dedicate a short weekly or monthly segment highlighting several of the missing person cases at once.

Even if it was a 60 second segment, anything to bring attention.

And then third, the big one, social media allows communities to help fill these gaps that media outlets like Dr. Ken and I his show.

So when media outlets share cases online, the public can then share those on their social media platforms, which is something you can do, dear listener.

And then finally, many departments are now reopening older cases using the modern DNA technology and those digital databases.

So this is what's ensuring that time and technology can work in favor of families who have waited decades for answers.

So I think the real goal isn't trying to cover every case on air.

The goal is to build a system where visibility, urgency and investigative resources are not determined by the media, which is what I've said from the beginning.

And when we come back, is that answer your question?

And when we come back, I'll talk about just that.

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Welcome back to the Truth Unfiltered.

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We got like a five seconds left.

So one of the things I wanted to suggest to Denise, you can go to missingkids.org or just Google National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Every child is missing in America.

Every Amber alert.

Every they've got a cyber tip line report.

They've got missing posters from all over the country and a 24 hour hotline for missing.

We've got to figure out a way.

And I know this might be too much, but we already got social media sent in as crap we don't need anyway.

Let's send them something that's significant.

I think every time somebody's missing, there should be a notice sent out.

There's too much criteria for, oh well, it's got to meet this criteria for Amber alert or it's got to meet this.

Or we can just have something that every time somebody's missing, this is what you post.

Even if it's five seconds to alert people.

Just like we do silver alerts and all those other alerts we do.

I don't see why we can't do it for every single missing person.

I also understand the money that it'll take because people are missing.

And then, you know, an hour or two later they reappear and now you got to cancel the missing.

Well, let's set up like like Denise said.

Let's set up that system so that it's automatic.

Whether you go to it on your own or you or you get it on your phone automatically, but something has to be done.

So that everybody that's missing, it's out.

Now, if you are, if you're a, you know, juvenile, you don't want the information out or out, you know, they have to work that out.

But at some point, you know, worst case, you can always go to missingkids.org.

That's the national center for missing and exploited children.

And they do training.

They tell you the issues about children like autism and kids wonder and they walk towards the walk things that like all those things that you need in order to help lessen people.

But especially black kids from being missing.

Well, we will definitely I'm sure have more coverage regarding these missing, especially it just hurts my heart when I read about missing children.

Because again, as from a looking at from a parent's lens, that is the absolute worst.

I can't even, and I won't because it's not fair to those who do have missing children to even speak on it.

It just, it just blows my mind because again, at the end of the day, we're all human.

Oh, yeah.

And we definitely have that in common.

Speaking of which, this is our last episode during the 2026 black history month, I am sure that by now you have heard that Reverend Jesse Jackson passed away on February 17th.

At the age of 84, however you felt about Reverend Jackson, he definitely was a pillar in the civil rights movement and opened the door for many people that pursued a career in politics and even paved the way for Barack Obama and future candidates of color.

So before Obama, there was Jesse, he ran twice for the, to be the dean, to be the democratic national candidate during the 1988 and 1988, no 1988 and 1992 presidential election.

And I got and I got a five second Jesse Jackson story.

Go, we'd love to hear it.

My first story in journalism in radio was an interview with the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

Your first, my very first talk about a way to launch.

Yep.

That's awesome.

At age 20.

Well, that's, that's all.

Don't don't do that.

She, she, she was adding up the numbers.

65.

I don't have the capacity at this time of evening to add up anything.

But you know, we'll say this.

Yeah.

You know, history will remember Reverend Jackson as a preacher, presidential candidate, a protester.

Civil rights.

His real legacy.

Yes.

For me, is that he refused to let America forget that democracy is unfinished business.

Yep.

And my question.

And this is something that I'm sure Dr. Can you and I can discuss on the show in the upcoming shows?

Who's picking up a baton now?

Because many.

Yeah.

We love our leaders.

And, and rightfully so they fought the good fight.

They've lived and served for decades.

But it's time.

Who?

It's time for me.

Who's that?

Like, who do we have?

Because it can't be Cardi B.

It can't be Megan nostalgia.

Wait, wait.

It can't be Nicki Minaj.

It can't be Nicki Minaj.

It can't be Nicki Minaj.

It can't be Kanye West.

Who is going to be the next.

And it can't just be one.

So who's picking up a baton now?

Who's even in the pipeline?

More to come.

That's a whole issue.

But we got time.

We got time.

Succession planning in the civil rights movement.

Who's got the baton now?

Wow.

Because democracy.

Yeah.

Democracy is unfinished business in this country.

Please don't forget it.

And black history is American history.

Everything with that.

Dr. Ken, pleasure as always.

And again, we'll be back.

I think what?

March 22nd.

Yep.

And don't forget the book.

Go to Amazon.

Please.

The only one in the room.

Ford written by Stephen M. R. Covey.

Author yours truly Denise Thomas.

Thank you all so much for tuning in.

Dr. Ken, this is a great show.

Thank you for your perspective as always.

You can listen to Dr. Ken Harris every afternoon live.

You can listen and watch him.

He's pretty good looking.

Yeah.

46 p.m.

I think that'll cost me another book.

Okay.

Oh, it is.

What a 1.7 FM our sister station.

Evan, thanks so much for holding it down.

The ones and twos.

Dr. Ken.

Thank you, Evan.

TMJ.

We love y'all.

Wishing you a great week.

Tell somebody you love them.

Make it a great week.

We'll see you on the 22nd.