A Mother’s Warning On Running Away | The Tory Lowe Show

Kevin, that's true. Thank you for joining me for the second hour of the Tori Lowe show.

And we got a mother in the studio, a pee walkie mother, who's here because she was dealing

with a missing situation with her daughter. It was all over the news, all over social

media. Great news. The daughter has been brought home. She recently, as of yesterday, is

home now. But we do have Kaelin a Sunday here. And I want to talk about the process

because many times when we talk about missing in our communities, we barely get all of

the sides or all of the things that a family or a mother has to go through when it comes

to missing. So we're going to have a great conversation today about missing in the state

of Wisconsin and resources as well. How are you doing, Kaelin? I'm doing pretty good.

All things considered. The way we got in contact is you reached out because your daughter

went missing. Yes, my daughter went missing. What happened?

My daughter ran away on January 11th at 6.17 pm. And this has been a chronic recurring

problem that I've had when she lived with my sister, when she lived in group homes.

And it's been a habitual behavior that she's had. So she went missing and we exhausted

all resources. My sister and I, we contacted the police. They file a missing persons report

and they looked into every resource and every possible avenue, but nobody came forward.

So we went to the media and I was able to get in contact with you. And then on Sunday,

after eight days, my daughter shows up at my doorstep 11 o'clock at night. There's a knock

on the door. I look out and I look around and I don't see anybody, but something in me told

me to open that door. And I was fearful just because of not knowing anything. And I've

been so fearful of having that knock on the door to say something happened to my child.

And many times when the child goes missing, especially through the avenues of using social

media, I call it smoking them out, making sure that everybody knows they can't hide. So

they usually get dropped back off home because what happened? Yeah. And I told you that.

You said it. You called it. I told you like, okay, this is from listening to what you

were saying. She's going to be home because these guys are not truly like real gangster type

ideas because of the setup of how it happened. She'll be home in no time because they are,

they don't want to go to jail. They, they, some of these guys in this situation, they're

just looking for a good time, you know, many times. And so, and drugs are involved in things

like that. So they, she shows up back home. But what I wanted to talk about with you in

particular is since this has been a situation that's repeated, what resources have you reached

out to that worked or didn't work? Well, so far nothing's actually worked. You know, I

have been that Karen. I've been that I need to talk to your supervisor. I need to make

these steps because having, when she first ran away, you know, I, I just knew it was

a matter of time. I could just tell by, you know, some of the things she said that there's

going to be more planning for next time. So I went down to health and human services. I called

CPS. I called, you know, I reached out to the schools. I contacted corporate counsel. I did

everything I could to make sure my baby would say safe. But also we could have something that

wasn't just voluntary, but something that, you know, she would be, you know, mandated

to actually have to do. I only could find resources for myself counseling for myself. Oh,

as a parent. Yes, as a parent. Because it's only voluntary. So she doesn't want to. She

doesn't have to. So as for like child services and stuff, I enrolled in a voluntary service.

And it's for me, not her. We're going to put together a meeting that, you know, has all

resources support from me and from her past for when she was at, you know, her group home

and people that care and love about her. So I filled out all the ROI's. I filled out, you

know, all the forms I reached out. I had to go and, you know, I, it was phone call after

phone call. And I finally went down to health and human services. And it was, they came

to me and they're like, let's go to our supervisor because like you're not getting any results.

But we don't know what we can do. So we're kind of at the head of being able to try to

do something. But there's also you need a lawyer. If you want to file a gyps, which is

a juvenile needed protection, there's the third party mental health screen. And it's

all the legal stuff. But it's also all that process that takes a long time to do. And

we don't have that time.

When did you notice her behavior switching to this runaway type format? Because many

times young people, they, they struggle in certain areas of life. And then they reach

out to try to reach out to someone that they think they can relate to or many times they

will use social media to kind of set up their own runaway many times. How did you find

out that she was using social media to kind of contact people many times or reaching

out or there or them reaching out to her? Social social media in my daughter's life has

been a presence since she was like 13. I mean, she put Snapchat on a flip phone. And

she had been running away and doing these things. And when she returned to home, you

know, it was, I noticed that after she got off her probation, December 12th was the last

day of her probation, her GPS monitor came off. And probation for what running away?

Well, I'm running away. Things like stealing cars when she lived with my sister. So she got

out there in the crowds where she, they were kind of like what a group of individuals that

were doing the wrong thing. Yep. And it's all these social media groups, especially Snapchat,

where they have a group where they all talk and they all correlate and they all share resources.

And that's what she calls it resources. How to get out here and be bad, basically.

Be bad. Or get their hands on what they are looking for. Whether it be drugs or getting involved

in things that they're not supposed to. This is all happening on social media.

In their strangers, they're people she doesn't know. They're people that, you know, are offering

her places to stay, places to go, trying to send her things like house app or, you know, things,

I mean, even, I mean, my sister used to have things come to the house through DoorDash.

And, you know, yeah, it's, I mean, it's a lifestyle. And I think it pulls people in because,

you know, these young girls are, you know, getting anything from, I mean, hair, makeup, things

sent to them. All from social media. From Snapchat. And, well, and Instagram TikTok.

I mean, you have some on Facebook. And these are young girls.

Young. My daughter was 13. Are they sending pictures to these guys? Are they

these guys think that they have a chance at mating with them or dealing with them in a certain

kind of way? I think that, I think that girls grow up too fast and that they can portray themselves

as what, you know, older. And I think that there's also that switching bait not only going on with

the older generation from men to young girls, but I've seen it as, you know, younger girls portraying

themselves as older. Right. But also ultimately, like, you know, they're age. Right. You can, after

conversation with them, you, hey, you're not an important woman, you're a child. Yeah, especially

with those mind games and everything. And I think that there's men out there that just, they see that

and they, you know, they know it and they also know that, you know, as a young teen, they're looking

for validation. They're looking for, you know, their body to be validated. They're looking for love

and they're also looking for that relationship that maybe they are seen on a lot of these social

media. Or that they didn't have with a parent. Parent or other healthy children their age.

What do you think is driving your daughter to do these things, some of these things that you have

to deal with on a day-to-day basis? I think that social media has probably helped her

develop an addiction. And I think that when you develop an addiction with these kind of things,

it transfers over into other areas. And that's also that lifestyle. That's the, I mean, we

always say sex, drug, rock and roll. So I mean, this climate's hip-hop, but, and I love hip-hop,

don't be wrong. But it's, you know, it's a transference of one addiction for the next.

Well, look, when we come back, we're in the studio with Kaylyn Sunday. Her daughter

is a chronic runaway. And we're talking about resources. We're talking about

even if you're a parent, what should you look for and identify. And what can we do?

We're trying to discuss it all right here on the Tori Low Show. When we come back, we have

more conversation-truth nation stay like them. One a one. Seven the true Tori Low Tori Low Show.

Look, we got Kaylyn Sunday in studio. Her daughter went missing out of P walkie. And we've

talked for a while and tried to come up with better solutions when this chronic runaway,

because many times social media opens up the door many times when you don't even know that they

even have a phone. I mean, they can obtain almost anything from being online. And we want to make

sure that we break down this issue because many families are going through this. So I appreciate

you Kaylyn for coming in and discussing what you personally are going through. And many other

families are going through right now in the community when it comes to runaway. And I always say

that when girls run away, they know to get them and then send them back home. Because after a while,

they don't get the resources from the police. You only get a few times where the police may

do a real look. But then after a while, they'll check the name and see that, okay, she just ran

away. And now they're not going to give resources fully developed resources to where they actually

out there looking for because the fact that she's a chronic runaway. And I always say this is the

gateway to human traffic. Absolutely. And they know to send her back home. And then many times

these young girls don't say who they were with. They keep this promise or this idea of I'm not

going to turn in what they believe is I'm not going to turn in my friends. But then they don't know

that this is what they want you to do. So eventually we can move you into a serious human trafficking

situation. I think my daughter would be calling me a snitch right now. Oh wow. But she doesn't

understand that I've also been in a position myself in my life that I've also been a part of

that lifestyle that I have been trafficked that I have experienced all these things. So when I

hear what she's saying, I recognize the signs. And I also have my support groups. I have my

advocates. I have a lot of healing that I've done. And I think that one thing you did touch about

is the resources. And to me, I was thinking about that cell phone, that burner phone, not knowing

she goes to school. She comes home, but she's not leaving the house. How does she get it? Well,

she has friends. So these children are resourcing at school. Somebody else gets one from another person.

She goes to school. She gets it from them. And now she has a burner phone that I don't know about.

Oh wow. Yeah. And so that's like that networking that, you know, these teams are doing. And it's

all it's always an underground network of resources. And they can move around for only so long because

they're only children. They're not paying rent. So adults many times don't know all of this is

happening. No. And they could be in the house not knowing that they're hosting the runaway.

Correct. Yep. Because it's all these lives. They're like, oh, my friend, like my friend's coming

for the night. They're just going to stay for the night. And or, you know, my mom said this and

that. And that's why it's always asking them who were when and the forthcoming. But you also get,

you know, people that if you're not meeting the parents and you're not, you know, actually getting

the numbers and you're not having your child's location, you have people that are posing as adults

for these children. And they're not really the adults. They're not really the parents. They're

people that are, you know, 80, 80, and you know, it was one point we found out that she was

trying to get a friend to hold a phone for her. And the only location that we actually had was on

Thursday night, which was during during that time. I think it was the Thursday was maybe the

15th or 16th. And there was a sign in and one hit in Chicago, one hit in Oshkosh and one hit here

in 101st in Wisconsin. And I later found out that, you know, these are other kids, other teens

that are locking into her snout chat in their, their causing, you know, everybody to go in these

different locations when in fact, she's not in any of them. And she does, she's, she's using her

burner. So these are the things I've been finding out. These are the things that I've had

privileged to know, you know, saying what I know is hard because that it, you know, could,

you know, hinder us as she runs away. But I also want to speak to those parents that these are

the things that, you know, these teens are doing. They're collaborating together. And they're

ultimately, you know, creating a network of how not to get found. And I've ran into parents who had

issues in the past with running away. And they wanted to be that person that understood and that,

they're totally aiding these children. I had to run up on a couple of parents. I said, if I ever

catch the any kid over here, I don't care what you calling it. I don't care how you can empathize.

You're not their parent. Yeah. You're not the legal guardian. And you can't make certain choices.

Oh, oh, I'm going to have to put you in jail. You know what I mean? They want to be that cool

adults. Right. And no, no, they're causing them more stressed and good, you know, and many times

instead of being a resource, or they think they think they're being a resource. What they're

really doing is harming the child because then they may have other teens over their drinking,

having sex, you know, and all of that under their roof, where they shouldn't be allowing that to

exactly. You know, there was an instance last summer, well, summer of 2004, or no, 25,

where she did run away from her group home. She had had her phone for three days at a group home.

She took a picture of the window and said, anybody have a ladder. Somebody brought a 20-foot

ladder to a group home. What? Yep. Off of social media. Off social media. Some stranger, some

adult had a disposable 20-foot ladder laying around, brought it, and she was on the run for six days.

And so at this point, there was, we found out that there was an adult that had, you know,

picked her up, said, hey, let me help you, you know, you know, told other, you know, like if she

told her that or told other people, adults, that if she was, you know, found her in her presence

and stuff, that she would, you know, turn her in. And when in fact she helped her get cleaned up

and ready and left again. And when my daughter told me, oh no, she let me go. This woman had said

that she, you know, had stepped out of the room and my daughter just left. So there was,

there's adults helping children. And to me, that's concerning because she was out there for another

three days after that until, you know, it was another situation where an adult actually was an

adult and, you know, called the police while she was in the shower. So, yeah. So I mean,

somebody did do their job. And it just shows that there's these variants of judgment and adults.

But if a child is a runaway, you suspect that they're a runaway, you should be calling them for

something. Yes, you should be calling law enforcement. Once again, we got Kaylyn Sunday in studio

from Peawalky recently had a missing daughter, a chronic runaway. And we're talking about

the different ideas that you had to go through because it's over my tenure of the last 16 years.

I've had several situations similar to yours. And many times it's just the network of kids.

We talk about grooming. But sometimes it's youth, young people with a network, like you said,

to get their hands on burn of phones to kind of assist in this.

Yeah. I just, when I think about the network and the resources and stuff that went into this

and the thinking and the planning, this has become progressive. So, like, you know, ultimately the

team gets better at it. And they get to come back home, they get to rust, they get a recover,

and then they get to resource. So, you got the three hours, you know. And they're learning how to

get better at this and get more resources and how not to get caught or found. And they protect the

names of those that were with you. Yes. Your daughter recently was home. Yep. She's home right now.

She's home right now. Yes. She could run away again. Yes. And when I say that there's no

leverage for the parent in this situation, I haven't seen any leverage because I see that there's

their resources, but they're not obligated to keep the child there. Nope. They're not obligated.

The child can say, I don't want to do this and they can just leave. Yeah. And then the resources

is telling, you know, police school that, you know, oh, I want these resources. And then when

you bring the child and you are, you know, making these phone calls, making these appointments,

you know, even trying to get her in the car and everything, they don't have to participate because

it's all voluntary. Right. So that's the hard part is having, you know, you're telling somebody

one thing, but you're not willing to do the next. Like she told the officers, like, oh, I want

therapy. And last night, it's sitting and having a conversation of, let's, you know, I can

schedule even a Zoom. You don't have to leave the house. We can do this. I'm willing to do that.

Like, she doesn't want to participate. And ultimately, all I can do is focus on what I'm going

through and I know what, if I get therapy that helps her, but also, you know, like, my daughter

needs to be able to talk to somebody. There's, she doesn't want to participate with mentors. We had

the CCS team. We, I think it's CTLS or something, but there's all these organizations that are

voluntary and they provide all these services and, you know, they help children and she does not

want to take them. And I have signed her up by I've contacted, you know, and I get these phone calls

of, hey, you know, like, you're not participating and I'm like, well, she doesn't want to.

That's a hard part is like she says she'll do this, but she doesn't. There's no follow-through.

Why is she running away? Is there a reason that you pinpoint it? Why is she rebelling

against what's going on at home? Have you ever said, okay, this is what

is triggering her? From what I understand, with like, even my sister and stuff, my daughter is always

running from something and whether or not it's good or bad. It's that self-sabotaging behavior of,

you know, it's, she's been doing this since she was little. She's, you know, we've not had the

easiest of life. I was gone for a while and when she lived with my sister, you know, she,

you know, when she was younger, she participated in the church. She did her faith base. She went to

camps. She did 4-8. She did all these things. And then when it got on social media, that has that

pole into her. And she's looking for validation and stuff from youth. You know, I invite her to

do everything. She'll try something normally once and say it's not for me, whether or not it's

rock climbing or we did the polar plunge and stuff. For her, it's having, she wants the youth,

but she doesn't want the ones that are doing the things she's supposed to do. Right.

Well, look, when we come back, I got an idea of how we can come together and try to kind of feel

in a, I think avoid where the parents seem to not have any power at a certain point after the

girl comes home or the son comes home. And many times y'all left to panic because y'all don't

know when they're going to do it again. No, and I had every emotion you'd ever, I had a whole

feeling well and I felt everything and I felt like I got hit by a truck and I couldn't even,

you know, and just seen her walk through that door. It was, every fear was lifted, but my fear that

how am I going to keep her at home? I was more scared of even having her at home because I can't

keep her there. Well, look, when we come back, I want to talk about some ideas that parents can

probably work to have to fight against chronic runaways and youth, because like I said, you're the

legal guardian till she turned 18. And we want to see if there's ways that we can use resources to

make sure that you can have power to kind of control some of the situation, but we're going to talk

about that when we get back. We got Kaelin Sunday in studio from Pew walkie 101 seven or

Tori low Tori low show we got Kaelin Sunday in studio from Pew walkie Pew walkie and

her daughter recently was involved in where she had ran away. She's a chronic, she runs away

multiple times and we're trying to figure out things that we can do because I've dealt with a lot

of situations where the child would just come back home, relax, kind of recover from

being in a situation where they were run away, then all of a sudden after a week or two,

they're back at it. And many times when we talk about what leverage does the parent have in that

situation and many times is almost none. I have done I pleaded with them to I spent six hours when

she got home and I was told that they would at least take her someplace, be able to question her

make sure she was safe. You know, I know it's her body, but I also had wanted maybe her to do

go to the same unit have, you know, some kind of, you know, help see what had happened. We don't

know where she was. We don't know who she was with. We don't know who dropped her off my house.

She's not talking about it. No, it's it's some, honestly, it's a fabricated little story that's

on repeat and I might get bits and pieces of it, but right now, I mean, there's nothing.

So there's nothing holding her at home right now? No, except maybe not having a cell phone,

but she says she has a cell phone someplace and, you know, do I believe her? I don't know. Like,

she can get one. She can obtain one. Absolutely. All she has to do is go to school. All she has

to do is probably walk out those doors. She knows where she was. All she has to do is go back.

So I think many times when we talk about giving parents the authority to try to do more,

I think you have to try to at least get some kind of legislation. I'm more of like, what can we do

for this situation? And I'm wondering is there a way that we can make sure that these youth stay

on a tracker? Yep. I think it's through the courts. Yeah. Instead of a lot, because you don't know

right now. She's at home. Right. You don't know about time you get off the radio. If she,

if you come back, she's going to be gone. No, I mean, she's on my blink camera, you know,

if I mean, as soon as she hits that door, she's out. I mean, that's she's on the streets again.

And so this is a consistent thing. So I'm wondering, you know, if we can kind of

get a legislation where the child has to kind of sort of be in a space like house arrest,

but only with a contract between the parent, the judge and the team. And if they break the rules,

maybe they can go into maybe something of a punishment almost where they can maybe go to a

detention center for like six months or something like that. I don't know, because why wait until

they commit a harsh crime? Right. Why until they're in the juvenile system that they have to,

and then they have legal repercussions, why do we have to wait for them to have to have,

you know, the citations fall on the parents. So I mean, we're looking at, that's what I was told

is I had the first time she ran away. I was told that by the juvenile system is, you know,

you have to create an opportunity that she can get in trouble. So that then you can have that

option to get a GPS monitoring system to get a juvenile. Right. Because usually you have to

commit a crime. Then they'll take you into the system. And then you have to, uh, for probation

to have that GPS monitoring system. Right. And so while she was gone, I, um, you know, she had,

just to write something in my apartment from before. And I was able to get a juvenile referral,

but that's also probably going to be deferred because it was just damaged to the property.

But it was the only way that, you know, I'm, I'm thinking outside the box as a parent of you,

you know, I've made every phone call. I mean, I called CPS on myself. Like, I don't know

many parents that do that. But like, what can I do? And I'm told we can't do anything. And so like,

what, I have to get her into juvenile intake and they're not willing to take her without every

furl from the place. They say the tension centers don't work. How about showing the girl a, uh,

showing the girl the movie hostile to help scare her straight? Well, I mean, I've been in a lot of

hostile. Oh wow. And she absolutely loves all those scary movies. So I don't think I think that

she would probably glorify it. I think that young ladies these days, and I say that I think they

glorify that lifestyle. I mean, especially if you put substances into it and stuff, I mean,

I'll show her that movie. I'll take that suggestion. Well, to me, I feel like as a parent, you have,

you have to maintain the child until they turn 18. And unless they break the law, then the

system may take a man. But I think that there should be some kind of way where the parents can

be the PO officer from home and have them on a monitor system and have repercussions if they

are a chronic person that runs away from home. And we've got to get something installed so they

don't become, uh, getting in the space where they have to commit a real serious crime or get out

here and get involved with the wrong people and do harm to innocent life. And I think that we,

where the parents don't have the power is the system. Like you said, it's voluntary. And they

really once they realize, oh, I don't have to be here. Yeah. I don't have to do this. So I was

thinking about something that if, you know, when she went missing, I think about all the money

and resources from the police department that went into fighting her, right? And you're talking

how many districts, how many hours, how many people knocking on doors, and all that money that

went into that, you know, you're looking at, I mean, I don't want the marshals to track me down

years ago. I mean, that was $50,000. They said, I have a institution. So like, I'm just thinking

about like what that went into in mine and then what it goes into hers. And ultimately the

community is paying for that, right? Right. So like we could cut funding like on that part from

them. Like if they wouldn't have to spend that, I'm not saying cut that, but like they wouldn't have

to spend that if we could just be able to implement an ankle monitor that's $1,200, you know,

a supervision fee. And ultimately, it could be a sample. And it could be a cost to the parent.

Yeah, it could be. And then also it could be an incident. Like, you know, there are funding.

There are places. There are grants. There are things that we can write. And also it could be a

simple, you know, you know, juvenile form that, you know, a petition to file that a parent could

just file it themselves, go down the courthouse and be able to, you know, go in from the judge and

say, Hey, like I've showed this behavior has happened. Right. This is dangerous. This is why. And

it would be no different than anything else that we have. But the parents feel to do that.

Right. I agree. And I think that we're going to start working on things like that because

something has to happen because for her to be in a space where at many of these young girls out

there. With strangers. And ain't no telling what the truth is if they're not telling what

truly happened because they're not at home. And they're not around family. They're around

strangers. And ain't no telling what is the true experience unless they just come out right and

say, this is what happened to me. Right. And so what is that doing to her psychologically every

time? Every time she's going out there and coming back home. And many times it puts the parent

at risk because they can get extremely violent once they get back home. Because now that is not

the same child that left. And every time they leave, they get a little bit more aggressive.

And they come home. And I've seen a parents call 911 on the child because the child

have threatened to kill them. Oh, yep. I can relate. I mean, just not even so much that it's the,

you know, if you don't do this, I'm going to do that. If you don't, you know, buy me that, I have to

go do this. Like you would hate for me to do this. That you used to do. And the thing is ultimately

like trauma is an onion. And ultimately like it starts with one trauma and it keeps layering

itself up. And, you know, I feel that there's a numbness and hardness that happens in the hardening

of the heart. And then this is going to carry over into adulthood. And, you know, if a child

doesn't want therapy, she doesn't want help. She doesn't want to do these voluntary things.

How do I help her get that help? Or how do I mean? But you can't have somebody, you can't make

somebody do something. No. That they don't want to do. That's the one rule. But then that's when

you have a system, you know, that says, okay, you just can't do whatever you want to do. Right.

And many times we're under the illusion that we have resources that can help.

But it comes, it's a two-way door. The person has to want to be help for it to work.

Right. And why do they have to go on probation to get this help? They shouldn't have to. I mean,

even you think about how some of these, you know, she's almost 17. So you have a parent that

has a child that is almost 17. And a lot of times when a child commits a crime at 16-17 that

goes on their adult record, like we could prevent that going on their adult record,

affecting them from college and any of these other things, if we could actually just get the

parent to be able to have that control of getting, you know, a GPS monitoring. Somebody says,

is she a Sagittarius? A birthday is seven-six. Okay. Not six-seven. Okay. Oh, wow. I had to do that.

Sorry. No, it's, it's all my children. All my children and I, we have a lot of jokes.

Well, I'll tell you this. When we come back, we'll get the last words from Kaylyn. I saw that comment.

Sunday, she's in the studio from Pwaki discussing her daughter who is a chronic runaway. And I want

to get your ideas on what clues, if mothers are going through this, what should they look for?

Parents are going through a child on social media, not doing what they're supposed to do and

running away. What are some of the clues and signs they should look for? Hey, look, when we come

back, we'll have more discussion. Truth nations stay locked in. 101, seven, the truth,

Tory, low, Tory, low show. Look, we got Kaylyn Sunday in studio, her daughter went missing out of

Pwaki and we've talked for a while and tried to come up with better solutions when it's

chronic runaway because many times, social media opens up the door many times when you don't

even know that they even have a phone. I mean, they can obtain almost anything from being online.

And we want to make sure that we break down this issue because many families are going through

this. So I appreciate you, Kaylyn, for coming in and discussing what you personally are going through

and many other families are going through right now in the community when it comes to runaway.

And I always say that when girls run away, they know to get them and then send them back home.

Yeah. Because after a while, they don't get the resources from the police.

You only get a few times where the police may do a real look. But then after a while, they'll

check the name and see that, okay, she just ran away. And now they're not going to give

resources fully developed resources to where they're actually out there looking for

because the fact that she's a chronic runaway. And I always say, this is the gateway to human

traffic. Absolutely. And they know to send her back home. And then many times these young girls don't

say who they were with. They keep this promise or this idea of I'm not going to turn in what they

believe is I'm not going to turn in my friends. Right. But then they don't know that this is what

they want you to do. So eventually we can move you into a serious human trafficking situation.

I think my daughter would be calling me a snitch right now. Oh wow.

But she doesn't understand that I've also been in a position myself in my life that I've also

you know been a part of that lifestyle that I have been trafficked that I have

you know experienced all these things. So when I hear what she's saying, I recognize the signs.

And I also you know have my support groups. I have my advocates. I you know I have a lot of

healing that I've done. And I think that one thing you did touch about is the resources. And

you know to me I was thinking about that cell phone, that burner phone. Not knowing you know she

goes to school. She comes home, but she's not leaving the house. How does she get it? Well she

has friends. So these children are resourcing at school. Somebody else gets one from another person.

She goes to school. She gets it from them. And now she has a burner phone that I don't know about.

Oh wow. Yeah. And so that's like that networking that you know these teams are doing. And it's

all it's always an underground network of resources. And they can move around for only so long

because they're only children. They're not paying rent. So adults many times don't know all of this

is happening. No. And they could be in the house not knowing that they're hosting the runaway.

Correct. Yep because it's all these lies. They're like oh my friend like my friend's coming for

the night. They're just going to stay for the night. And or you know my mom said this and that. And

that's why it's always asking them who were when and the forthcoming. But you also get you know

people that if you're not meeting the parents and you're not you know actually getting the numbers

and you're not having your child's location. You have people that are posing as adults. Right.

For these children and they're not really the adults. They're not really the parents. They're

people that are you know. Eighteen. Eighteen. Eighteen. Yep. And you know it was one point we found out

that she was trying to get a friend to hold a phone for her. And the only location that we actually

had was on Thursday night which was during during that time. I think it was Thursday was maybe

the 15th or 16th. And there was a sign-in and one hit in Chicago, one hit in Oshkosh and one hit

here in 101st in Wisconsin. And I later found out that you know these are other kids, other teams

that are locking into her snout chat and they're they're causing you know everybody to go in these

different locations. When in fact she's not in any of them and she does she's she's using her

burner. So these are the things I've been finding out. These are the things that I've had privileged to

know you know saying what I know is hard because that it you know could you know hinder us as she

runs away and but I also want to speak to those parents that these are the things that you know

these teams are doing. They're collaborating together and they're ultimately you know creating

a network of how not to get found. And I've ran into parents who had issues in the past with running

in the way and they wanted to be that person that understood and that they're totally aiding these

children. I had to run up on a couple of parents. I said if I ever catch the any kid over here

I don't care what you calling it. I don't care how you can empathize. You're not their parent.

Yeah. You're not the legal guardian. No. And you can't make certain choices or I'm out to put

you in jail. You know what I mean? They want to be that cool adult. Right. And no no they're causing

them more stressed and good. Yeah. And many times instead of being a resource or they think they

think they're being a resource what they're really doing is harming the child because then they

may have other teams over their drinking having sex sex you know and all of that at under their

roof where they shouldn't be allowing that to happen. Exactly. You know there was an instance last

summer well summer of 2000 in 24 or no 25 where she did run away from her group home. She had had

her phone for three days at a group home. She took a picture of the window and said anybody have

a ladder. Somebody brought a 20-foot ladder to a group home. What? Yep. Off social media. Off social

media. Some stranger, some adult had a disposable 20-foot ladder laying around, brought it and she

was on the run for six days and so at this point there was we found out that there was an adult

that had you know picked her up said hey let me help you you know you know told other you know

like if she told her that or told other people adults that if she was you know found her in her

presence and stuff that she would you know turn her in and when in fact she helped her get cleaned

up and ready and left again and when my daughter told me oh no she let me go. This woman had said

that she you know had stepped out of the room and my daughter just left so there was there's

adults helping children and to me that's concerning because she was out there for another three days

after that until you know it was another situation where an adult actually was an adult and

you know called the police while she was in the shower so yeah so I mean somebody did do their job

and it just shows that there's these variants of judgment and adults but if a child is a runaway

you suspect that they're a runaway you should be calling them for something. Yeah you should be

calling law enforcement. Once again we got Kaylyn Sunday in studio from Peawalky recently had a

missing daughter a chronic runaway and we're talking about the different ideas that you had to go

through because it's over my tenure of the last 16 years I've had several situations similar to yours

and many times it's just the network of kids we talk about grooming but sometimes it's youth

young people with a network like you said to get their hands on burn of phones to kind of assist

in this. Yeah I just when I think about the network and the resources and stuff that went into

this and the thinking and the planning this has become progressive so like you know ultimately the

team gets better at it and they get to come back home they get to rust they get a recover and then

they get to resource so you got the three hours you know and they're learning how to get better at

this and get more resources and how not to get caught or found and they protect the names of

those that were with yes your daughter recently was was home yep she's home right now she's home

right now yes she could run away again yes and when I say that there's no leverage for the parent

in this situation that I haven't seen any leverage because I see that there's their resources but

they're not obligated to to keep the child there nope they're not obligated the child can say

I don't want to do this and they can just leave yep and then the resources is telling you know police

school that you know oh I want these resources and then when you bring the child and you are you

know making these phone calls making these appointments you know even trying to get her in the car

and everything they don't have to participate because it's all voluntary right so that's the

hard part is having um you know you're telling somebody one thing but you're not willing to do

the next like she told the officers like oh I want therapy and last night it's sitting and having

the conversation of let's you know I can schedule even a zoom you don't have to leave the house we

can do this I'm willing to do that like she doesn't want to participate and ultimately all I can do

is focus on what I'm going through and I know what if I get therapy that helps her but also you know

like my daughter needs to be able to talk to somebody there's she doesn't want to participate

with mentors we had the CCS team um we I think it's CTLS or something but there's all these

organizations that are voluntary and they provide all these services and um you know they help

children and she does not want to take them and I have signed her up by I've contacted you know

and I get these phone calls of hey you know like you're not participating and I'm like well she

doesn't want to that's a hard part is like she says she'll do this but she doesn't there's no follow

through why is she running away is there a reason that you pinpoint it why is she rebelling

against what's going on at home have you ever said okay this is what is triggering her um from what

I understand with like even my sister and stuff my daughter is always running from something and

whether or not it's good or bad it's that self-sabotaging behavior of um you know it's

she's been doing this since she was little she's um you know we've not had the easiest of life

I was gone for a while and when she lived with my sister you know she you know when she's younger

she participated in the church she did her faith base she went to camps she did 4-8 she did all

these things and then when it got on social media that has that pull into her and it's she's looking

for validation and stuff from youth um you know I invite her to do everything she'll try something

normally once and say it's not for me whether or not it's rock climbing or we did the polar plunge

and stuff um for her it's having she wants the youth but she doesn't want the ones that are doing

the things she's supposed to right well look when we come back I got an idea of how we can come

together and try to kind of feeling uh I think a avoid where the parents seem to not have any

power at a certain point after the girl comes home or the son comes home and many times y'all left

to panic because y'all don't know when they're gonna do it again no and I I had every emotion you

ever I had a whole feeling well and I felt everything and I felt like I got hit by a truck and

I couldn't even you know and just seen her walk through that door it was every fear was lifted

but my fear that how am I gonna keep her at home I was more scared of even having her at home

because I can't keep her there well look when we come back I want to talk about some ideas that

parents can probably work to have to fight against chronic runaways and youth because like I say

you're the legal guardian till she turn 18 and we want to see if there's ways that we can use

resources to make sure that uh you can have power to kind of control some of the situation but

we're gonna talk about that when we get back we got Kaelin Sunday in studio from Pew walkie truth

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