The REAL Rufus King?!

What up y'all welcome back to the award-winning one-on-one seven of truth live from the American family Insurance studios.

It's your boy Ray Nitty Prince of the city Holding it down on the extended lunch break y'all Getting into an interesting conversation today.

It ain't just gonna be about Uncle Rufus.

I ain't gonna just Make it all about him Go continue the conversation about What does it look like when black man show up?

All right

But we're going to start with we go.

I don't even know if it's possible.

We can we do this one like.

Almost like a theatrical.

Situation where brother Z bring in some music, some instrumentals in between like while I'm speaking kind of invoke.

You know.

Some emotions and things like that.

We'll see.

We'll see.

We'll have some fun, some non traditional fun.

You know.

within the guidelines of our SCC norms, I just want to make sure.

But we want to talk about yesterday, yesterday, yesterday, yesterday.

OK.

Let's talk about it.

Yesterday, we were talking about the young lady.

The young lady that was.

You know, a part of.

A scam.

Walk it in to Rufus King fake substitute teacher.

She was also a Rufus King student and I could understand if people don't understand the rivalry between a Rufus King and a Rufus, I could get it.

If you didn't go to a public school, I could understand you don't have the, you know, not saying other schools didn't have rivalries, but it was different.

When I was in high school, the Rufus King Riverside rivalry, the Vincent Washington rivalry.

Who else had a rivalry?

Was it Tech and Bay View?

Did they have a thing?

I feel like the others kind of didn't even matter.

But you know, this was something that has carried on for generations.

I don't even say it's.

It's just part of the culture.

We have fun with it.

So every chance I get to take a shot at Rufus King alumni is I do.

I do just like they do the same for me.

Okay.

It's mutual.

It's all rooted in fun and love.

But you know, in talking about Rufus, you know, I was, I was, I was talking, we was talking about the school and I was like, all right, Rufus King, all right, Rufus, all right, generals, all right.

Rufus.

A very, very intelligent colleague of mine, Sherwin Text.

He's like, you know Rufus is a real person, right?

I was like, yeah, I knew he was a real person.

But he also was like, oh man.

He was also one of the founding fathers and site the Constitution and he was anti-slavery.

He was educating me.

He was educating me.

I love being educated.

And then I then went on and said, hey, he was so anti-slavery.

He left the damn 13th Amendment in there, and I said that, not even knowing, Rufus had died.

Way before.

Way before the 13th.

Way before.

But it still provoked research.

To get into the story of the man because we see so many times like people like to do a lot of surface level dives, you know and and and and give the the easy reason so I had to go do some research on Who Rufus was?

Because yes, although he probably passed he passed away before not probably he passed away before the 13th Amendment and so forth which we know impact our people today He signed the Constitution

Okay Let's be clear.

He signed a constitution that made way as the anti-slave Person I'm just I'm just going out.

This is out there you all can research it yourselves.

All right Just go do a little bit of research not saying he was a terrible man me not say that Not saying he was a terrible man, but

If we're going to parade the anti, he was this anti-slavery, but let's also do a deep dive in like how anti-slavery was he?

How much?

It's not like he was a super huge fighter from the surface level things that I saw.

It's not like he was amazing.

Shots out Benjamin.

He was amazing.

Okay.

So we're gonna have some fun with this today.

You might hear some instrumentals coming in and out.

Know some vibes while we speak.

833-212-1017 is the number to die.

What did you know about Rufus King?

How much did you know about it?

That's a good thing about radio, you know.

You get to educate people not go all the way in.

As much as time allows, at least.

But we're going to start this one just like this.

We're going to call this one Rufus King, the man who hated slavery.

And signed it into the Constitution.

Not the not the amendment.

into the Constitution, okay?

How does the anti-slavery guy sign a pro-slavery Constitution?

We're gonna talk about the compromise.

We're gonna talk about the bet he made.

And then we're gonna talk about the bill coming due.

Okay?

So.

Go start like this.

So here's the hook.

Milwaukee has a high school named Rufus King.

In the news this week, but who was he?

A founding father to history books called an enemy of slavery.

Who later called the three fifths compromise one of the Constitution's greatest blemishes.

Constitution he signed.

He later called the three fifths compromise, one of the Constitution's greatest blemishes.

All right.

And his signature is on the document anyway.

So today's deep die.

How does the anti slavery guy signed a pro slavery constitution?

And what did it cost us?

What did it cost us?

Told y'all we're gonna have some fun with this.

It's almost like, you know.

We'll see how it goes.

So yeah, we have a lot of fun.

We talk a lot of mess, but the end of the day is always rooted in like, let's just.

Have a good time while educating each other.

And trust me, this one ain't even about taking shots at Rufus King.

It's not.

Because I learned so much in just.

Researching some of the names.

Some of the names that we.

You know.

Cherish a door.

Put on pedestals.

You know.

So we're going to get into some things.

And I want to make sure I make this clear.

This isn't about.

Just bashing Rufus King generals.

No, it's about educating us because at one point I was not educated as well.

I did not know a whole lot.

OK.

But when somebody gives you a little bit without giving you all of it, you want to get more.

So I had to go get more.

I had to go get some more of it.

OK.

So.

When we come back.

I'm going to break this down into a few parts.

OK.

It's like theater today.

We're going to have a good theatrical time.

Act one.

We're going to talk about the making of an anti-slavery founder.

We're going to talk about that.

What does that look like?

Did he own slaves?

Then act two.

We're going to talk about Philadelphia, the room where it happened.

OK.

It was a summer of 1787 in Independence Hall.

Okay?

We're gonna talk about that in act two.

The room where it happened at.

Then act three.

We're gonna talk about the three chains.

The three chains that shackled us.

Okay?

We're going to talk about the three-fifths clause, article one, section two.

I hear you, brother Z. Then we're going to talk about the fugitive slave clause, article four, section two.

Then we're going to go into the 1808 clause, article one, section nine.

Then act four, we're going to talk about why he signed the bet that he made.

Act five will be the reckoning.

And then we're going to close it out with how he fought slavery and his record, all right?

And then the verdict, and then we out.

So don't go anywhere, y'all, when we come back.

We're going to have a good time.

This one here on the award-winning 10170 Truth.

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Welcome back to the award-winning 10170 Truth, live from the American Family Assurance Studios.

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Brother Z got us with the production and sound today, man.

We gonna have a good time today.

This one gonna feel a little bit like theater.

Okay?

We gonna have a real good time today, all right?

I want y'all to pull up a pad, pull up a chair, take notes.

Okay?

We talking about the man Rufus King.

I had to do a deep dive because I had to get educated on.

All right.

The man who hated slavery.

And signed it into the Constitution.

I got some interested things as well because.

I'll save it.

I'll save it.

Act one.

The making of an anti-slavery founder.

Born 1755 in Scarborough, Maine, which was then part of Massachusetts.

The son of a prosperous farmer merchant, Harvard educated, a lawyer by training.

In the summer of 1787, he is 32 years old.

One of the youngest delegates in Philadelphia and one of the sharpest, okay?

So the question is did he own slaves?

The question is did he own slaves?

We gonna start there.

And I'm gonna say it plainly because the deep dive only works if we're honest, okay?

Rufus King was born into a slave holding family in Scarborough, Maine.

His father was a prosperous farmer merchant who held enslaved people and as a young man King himself Rufus himself Was a slave holder The surviving records doesn't give us a head count of how many slaves he had All right, and this isn't a place for us to guess

It's not what this is about.

So the man who was anti-slavery, born into a slave holding family, even had slaves himself.

I wonder how many people even knew that.

Did you know that, Brother Z?

Okay.

As a young man, King was a slave holder himself.

The surviving records doesn't give us a head count of how many.

But the record does show

is the turn, all right?

Two army historians put it this way, among the founding fathers, King probably traveled the longest philosophical distance.

He knew the institution from the master's side of it and chose against it anyway.

Okay?

He knew the slave institution from being on the master's side of it.

and chose against it anyway.

That's what makes his signature on the Constitution heard even worse, not less.

He wasn't ignorant to it, all right?

He knew exactly what he was signing.

Not the amendment now.

We ain't talking about the 13th amendment.

We talking about the Constitution.

That's what we talking about.

The turn is on paper early in 1785.

A colleague wrote to King that suffering slavery's continuance, where it already exists, may be pardonable because unavoidable, but to introduce them into countries where none now exists can never

be forgiven is what King wrote back.

All right.

This is just a quote from the letter.

This is his quote from the letter in 1785.

Your ideas on this unjustifiable practice are so just that it would be impossible to differ from them.

That's what he said in the letter.

All right.

That sentence is his whole career in a miniature.

You know, whatever.

Tolerate where it exists, but never let it spread.

Tolerate where it exists, but never let it spread, said the anti-slave.

founding father.

He was a gradualist, not a immediate-less, immediate-ess.

All right?

Willing in his own words to suffer the continuance of slaves until they can gradually be emancipated and states already overrun with them.

I want y'all to keep that in mind when we get to the verdict, okay?

This is his words.

To suffer the continuance of slaves until they can be gradually emancipated in states already overrun with them.

In that same summer, 1787, while the convention meets, King is also serving in the Confederation Congress and helps shepherd through the Northwest Ordinance.

It's six

Article banned slavery forever in the entire Northwest Territory.

Well, look at that.

The land that becomes our great Midwest region, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

So Milwaukee sits on free soil partially because Rufus King put it there.

OK, King, I see you.

I see you.

So that is act one So from what I was gathering From what I was gathering He was tolerable of slavery so far

We're going to get into some of the things he was fighting as well.

Because he did fight.

He did fight.

He had some fight, too.

OK.

We'll get into act two.

Philadelphia.

The room where it happened, y'all, summer 1787 Independence Hall, 55 delegates.

The windows was nailed shut.

for secrecy.

OK.

Brutal Philadelphia heat and the convention is dying over slavery.

This is a conversation now.

This is the founding fathers.

Need y'all to pay real good attention to it.

Real good attention to it.

All right.

South Carolina's John Rutledge and the pic knees deliver.

the ultimatum.

Protect slavery and the slave trade, or we walk.

No union.

Protect slavery and the slave trade, or we walk.

There will be no more union.

Georgia stands with them.

Without the Deep South, there's no United States at that time.

On August 8th, 1787, the slavery debate explodes on the floor.

James Madison's notes captured King's pushback.

He was pushing back even after he owned slaves.

He pushed back.

The admission of slaves was a most grating circumstance to his mind, and he believed.

would be so to a great part of the people of America.

This was Rufus King at the Constitutional Convention, August 8th, 1787.

This is James Madison's notes.

These is notes.

All right.

So here's where it gets interesting.

He demands to know what the three fifths vote really means.

And this is where he begins to fight.

This is where he begins to fight, right?

He moves to strip the claws out.

Good job.

He loses.

His ally, Governor Morris, rises and denounces slavery as an a various institution, the curse of heaven on the states where it prevailed.

Luther Martin of Maryland calls putting slavery into the Constitution.

Inconsistent is inconsistent with the principles of the revolution and dishonorable to the American Charter character.

All right.

The speeches change nothing.

Speeches change nothing.

Then the backdoor deal.

Ah.

the backdoor deal.

Connecticut's Roger Sherman cuts a bargain with Rutledge.

New England gets no federal taxes on exports.

South Carolina gets the slave trade protected and untaxed.

Human bondage traded like cargo across the table.

And both sides get what they want.

Hmm when we come back All right When we come back we're gonna talk about act three y'all the three chains that still shackled us The three fifths clause the fugitive fugitive Slave cause

and the 1808 clause.

All right?

And then we're going to ask ourselves, why did he sign it?

And it was because of a bet.

The anti-slavery, January.

He spoke up against it.

He absolutely spoke up against it.

He said it is wrong.

Somebody wrote him and he wrote back and said, we can't ignore this.

It would be too unjust.

So unjust he asked it to be removed from the Constitution.

But it was a deal.

And politics is always a backdoor deal that hurts the American Negro.

When we come back, we'll get in.

to what that looked like and why did he sign it right here on the award winning one on one seven the truth.

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Doing a deep dive, man, a little historical dive right here.

Share some education, man.

Information, education, whatever we want to call it.

All right.

Talking about General Rufus King, the man who hated slavery and signed it into the Constitution.

At the 13th Amendment.

I was wrong talking about he left that in there.

It predates what he did predates what he signed was before the 13th.

So they amended what he signed and still said we still need to stick it to him a little bit.

Still got stick it to him.

So we're going to mend what he signed.

We talked about did he own slaves?

Yes, he was born into it.

And as a young man, even owned slaves himself.

He owned it himself.

So he wasn't.

The business of slavery was not foreign to the general.

OK, then we talked about Philadelphia, the room where it happened, what was being discussed.

And now we're at act three.

We are at three talking about the three chains.

You know, this is what Rufus King signature bought.

The Constitution, he signed, carried three slavery protections.

OK.

It carried three slavery protections.

The three fifths clause.

Article one, section two.

And maybe we could do a deep dive into this on other shows what each.

Chain was.

OK.

And slave people counted as three-fifths of a person for representation.

Not three-fifths of a human being.

We're talking about three-fifths of a vote for their master.

OK.

It handed slave states roughly a dozen extra seats in the house and extra votes in the Electoral College.

Historians calculated that Thomas Jefferson would have lost the election of 1800 without those slave counted electors.

So the compromise King signed literally

chose presidents.

The Fugitive Slave Clause, Article 4, Section 2.

Escape to a free state and get dragged back in chains.

Freedom had no safe harbor anywhere in America.

We just talked about this yesterday You remember his name Joshua Glover 5,000 Milwaukee people black white Broke him out of jail because he was a freed man that escaped Slavery and came

to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and he was downtown in our jail, and 5,000 Milwaukee people said this is not okay, and they broke him out.

Listen to yesterday's show if you'd like to hear it.

But Rufus King signed the Fugitive Slave Clause, which is why...

Joshua who escaped to a free state You feel me He got dragged they were trying to drag him back if I'm not mistaken they did But we broke him out And they took him if I'm not mistaken to walk ashore is what I remember the history told us and then escaped

to ultimate freedom if I'm not mistaken through the underground railroad.

So the fugitive slave clause, article four, section two, escaped to a free state and get dragged back in chains.

Freedom had no safe harbor anywhere in America.

This is the second chain.

That general roof is signed into the Constitution.

He wasn't the only signature on it now.

I don't want to make it sound like he was just the only person because that wouldn't be fair.

But I'll tell you this, it was some folks who didn't sign.

And I don't even think they was anti slaves.

But they didn't sign it.

And we go get into that as well.

The 1808th clause, article one, section nine.

And I'm going to do a deeper dive for myself so I could get even more educated on these clauses.

Congress forbidden from touching the transatlantic slave trade for 20 years.

Think about that.

Congress was forbidden from touching the transatlantic slave trade for 20 years, so that means 20 more years of ships.

Slaves being stolen from our land and bringing over all of this.

20 more years, General Roof is signed into.

The deal, what was the deal, right?

You probably ask yourself, well, what the heck, for the anti-slavery guy?

Founding father.

Few anti-slavery.

Why would you sign something that says we can't touch slavery for 20 years?

Why?

Why?

We can't touch it.

We can't talk about it for 20 years.

Why?

That doesn't sound anti-slave to me.

That sounds, you know, kind of like what he said.

Tolerated where it already exists.

But let's not introduce it to anywhere where where they are already free running rampant.

That was his words.

It was his words, not mine.

He signed it with these three clauses.

Knowing these three clauses, pushed back to even have the three fifths clause removed.

He pushed back.

I give it to him.

I give it to him.

He pushed back and they fought back and he ultimately lost.

So he signed into the Constitution the American Constitution the three-fifths clause Where enslaved people were counted as three-fifths of a person for representation Not three-fifths of a human for themselves three-fifths of a vote for their masters fail The fugitive slaves if you escape to a free state we getting you and we coming back hence

Need I dare say it?

Slave catchers.

We know the history.

But we're familiar with it, at least.

And in the 1808 clause, Congress forbidden from touching the transatlantic slave trade for 20 years.

20 more years of stealing folks from their land, packing them on ships, our ancestors choosing death over bondage for those that jumped overboard.

Because we had a Congress.

That signed a Constitution that said for 20 years, we cannot.

Touch the transatlantic slave trade because we need to what develop this country off of free labor And I would assume General Rufus knew a little thing about free labor being that he was born into a family that had slaves Him even having son himself But yet he was anti slavery

Why did he sign it?

You know what before we even get into why did he sign it?

I Got three people who refused Three people that refused to sign right and had overlapping complaints But each had his own emphasis So when we come back we're gonna talk about the three men

that refused to sign.

They didn't sign it.

Okay?

And we're gonna talk about why they didn't sign it.

What did they believe in?

What were they fighting for?

That they was like, I am not going to put my name on this Constitution.

So when we come back, we're gonna get in to who didn't sign and why General Rufus King did sign.

Right here on the award-winning one on one seven the truth.

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Real.

What's that show my wife be watching?

I can't remember.

This from this this era of music.

So we talking about General Rufus King, the anti slave founding father of America.

Who signed.

the Constitution, a Constitution that had three chains that shackled our people.

OK, three chains.

I'm just doing research.

Just doing research.

Anybody with more education than me could call and educate me or correct me when I'm where I'm wrong, but I am just simply doing research and delivering information.

But the Constitution is there, you can go see it yourself.

The three chains that had Rufus King's signature on it, the three fifths clause, enslaved people was counted as three fifths of a person for representation, not three fifths of a human for themselves, but three fifths of a vote for their masters.

It handed slave states roughly a dozen extra seats in the house and extra votes in the Electoral College.

The fugitive slave clause saying any escaped slave that made it to a free state You will get dragged back in chains freedom had no safe harbor Okay And then 1808 this one was the doozy For somebody that is so anti slavery.

Why would you sign?

Something that says Congress is forbidden

forbidden from touching the transatlantic slave trade for 20 years.

20 more years of slavery is what he signed on for, but while fighting it, okay?

We like to talk about politics and the games that they play and the backdoor deals and all of that.

Why do we think that no games and tricks and things was going on back then?

Where they was locking windows nailing and I'm shut we ain't had no Instagram and phones and nothing like these are 1700 1800s they talking about All right And the word slave appears nowhere in the document let's be clear

The word slave appears nowhere in the document.

Only euphemisms.

I think I said that right.

Persons held to service or labor.

They knew exactly what they were doing and they wrote around it.

Okay?

They didn't say slave.

persons held to service or labor.

Who were the person, the persons back then that was held to service or labor?

Who?

We don't get into why he signed it, but before let's get into who didn't sign it.

All right.

We're going to talk about the three who refused.

Had overlapping complaints, but each had his own emphasis.

We're gonna talk first about George Mason George Mason says there was no bill of rights His top objection nothing guaranteed freedom of the press Jewry trials and civil cases or protection from standing armies in peacetime

He also pushed for too much power in Congress.

He thought the necessary and proper clause was a blank check that would let Congress expand its power without limit.

Then he also said the Senate was too strong.

It shared treaty and appointment powers with the president, which he saw as a dangerous concentration with no independent council to check them.

He also said federal courts would swallow state courts making justice slow and expensive for ordinary people.

Also said commerce laws by simple majority.

He wanted a two-thirds vote on northern states couldn't pass trade laws that hurt southern agriculture.

And then the slave trade.

I was waiting on it.

The slave trade, he objected to the deal protecting it until 1808, even though he himself had slaves.

He objected to the deal protecting it.

He did not sign the Constitution.

At least that's what they said.

Maybe somebody show me a cop with his signature on it, but it said he didn't sign it.

He rejected it even while himself was holding slaves Elbridge Gary no bill of rights same thing especially the lack of guaranteed civil

Jury trials too much power for the central government again pointing to the necessary and proper clause and the risk of a standing army Also Congress controlling itself seems like there was pretty much on the same page here He disliked that Congress could set its own pay keep parts of its record secret and regulate the time and place of elections

Unfair representation.

He felt Massachusetts was underrepresented and objected to the three-fifths clause.

Given southern states, extra seats based on enslaved people.

Blurred separation of powers, such as the vice president presiding over the Senate.

So that's two people.

Elbridge Gary, he didn't say nothing about the slave trade, though.

He just like, look, he's folk getting two more pie over what we trying to do over here up here in the north and the east.

But because, you know.

You got.

Rufus in his homies that signed on to giving these slaves three fifths of a vote.

Now.

The South, ironically enough, where was Rufus born?

Wasn't in one of our northern states, I don't think.

I thought it said Virginia.

I'll go back and correct myself if need be.

But onto number three.

Edmund Randolph, too few limits on Congress.

Same concern about the necessary and proper clause.

The presidency was too powerful, including the power to pardon people for treason, which could shield the president's

own co-conspirators.

He wanted a second conversation.

His real ask was that states be able to propose amendments and then hold another national convention to fix the flaws.

When that was rejected, he wouldn't sign.

Okay.

He later flipped.

He later flipped.

By the time Virginia voted in 1788, eight states had already ratified and he backed it rather than risk breaking up the union.

So what was the common thread?

All three feared that a powerful central government without written protections for individual rights could become the kind of tyrant they had just fought a war against.

That's exactly why the Bill of Rights got added in 1791.

It answered their biggest complaint.

The New York and Maryland delegates who walked out earlier had a related but similar objection.

They believe the convention was only supposed to be was only supposed to amend the Articles of Confederation, not throw them out and write a whole new government.

So those are three people that didn't sign.

And we just heard all the reasons why they didn't sign.

And, you know, you had one even say like, yo, I'm not, I have slaves and I am against this 1808.

Said he was against.

protecting it until 1808.

This is somebody that held slaves.

But let us continue.

Why did Rufus sign it?

It was a bet that happened.

Yeah, it was betting back then, too.

They was betting back then, too.

OK.

Why did he sign it?

If you just joining us, Truth Nation, we're telling the truth today.

And I don't want to make a scene like this guy's a bad guy.

I don't want to do that.

But I want us to understand who the guy was.

Do we know the whole story of the guy or just the headlines and clickbait?

Did we read the articles?

I know I didn't.

So I'm reading it now.

I'm reading it now.

We went through the tree, the three, here go that accent, slip it out.

We went through the tree chains.

The three fifths clause, the fugitive slave clause, the 1808 clause.

So why?

Why did he sign something that says we won't touch?

We're forbidding from touching slavery for another 20 years.

Here's why he signed it.

They made a bet.

Hmm.

Can I get through this in a few seconds?

Let's do it.

King and the anti-slavery delegates made a bet with history.

A bet that had a name.

He was betting that slavery is dying anyway Hmm Oliver Ellsworth Ellsworth told the room slavery in time will not be a speak

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We talking about the Constitution.

Founding fathers.

In a general.

In a general, Rufus King.

Okay.

The anti-slavery founding father, we asked the question, why?

Why would the anti-slave, the anti-slavery founding father sign the Constitution knowing that it had these clauses?

that protected something that was so detrimental to our community, to our people, to countries.

Why would he sign it?

Somebody who was born into a family of slaveholders even had his own slaves as a young boy.

We don't know how many.

So he has a history.

With slavery not saying that doesn't mean people can't change their minds and positions and stances on things But the greatest stance in my opinion that you could have showed is to not sign it because You had three men who didn't sign it Because of what they believed in some even didn't sign it because of the slave trade

And to say to not end it.

Wait.

How?

How does the anti slave?

Person.

Signed something which protected slavery for 20 more years.

That's the question.

So why did he sign it?

All right.

If you just joining us, it's always a good reason, right?

For these things.

It's always a valid reason.

King and the anti-slavery delegates made a bet with history.

It says in the bet had a name slavery is dying anyway.

Oliver Ellsworth told the room slavery in time will not be a speck in our country.

They believed banning the slave trade in 1808 would starve the institution and it would wither on its own.

Underneath the bet was fair.

No union meant the South walked out.

Okay?

Is Southern Confederacy my ally with Britain or Spain?

With slavery expanding and zero northern restraint Half a loaf now finished the fight later Years afterward King gave his own defense Years after he gave his own defense says three-fifths

was a necessary sacrifice to the establishment of the Constitution.

A necessary sacrifice of whom?

May I ask?

That's my question for the listeners.

General Rufus King assigned the Constitution the anti-slave.

Founding father Years after the his own defense he says three fifths was a necessary sacrifice to the establishment of the Constitution And I ask the necessary sacrifice of whom?

That is the question

for the listeners today.

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The bet failed catastrophically.

Okay?

They made a bet with our freedom and lives.

So instead of really fighting and standing on business, like the other three gentlemen who saw that the Constitution that they were putting together just wasn't right, some said, uh, slavery, we need to really rethink what this thing is here.

Some saying the government is having way too much power.

Those men were Elbridge Gary, Edmund Randolph and George Mason.

They didn't.

Sign it.

All right.

They didn't sign it.

When the Constitutional Convention wrapped up on September 17, 1787, three delegates were still in the room, flat out refused to sign it.

OK.

Let's continue.

The bet failed, y'all.

In 1793, Eli Whitney's cotton gin made short staple cotton wildly profitable.

And slavery, instead of withering, it exploded into the foundation of the American economy.

The spec That they spoke of it became the whole picture and the identity of This country that this country just hates to acknowledge today Act 5 the reckoning 1803

Follow me now Telling the story this is theater of the mind That's where radio is The Louisiana purchase It doubles the country and throws the West open to slavery's expansion ah general

King looks at what he signed and calls three-fifths one of the Constitution's greatest blemish.

That's his words.

He's older now.

He pushes the Senate to abolish the domestic slave trade.

See, I feel like this is where people like to start his story.

This is what people like to start the store.

We always like to start the story where it feels good to us to tell it Where the history of how we got to the point where people realized like damn I Might have been on some BS Was I really fighting against slavery or was I orchestrating ways to get around it

I like that music.

Yeah, that was turning me up.

Like I said, 1803, the Louisiana Purchase doubles the country.

It throws the West open to slavery's expansion.

Remember that thing he signed, the 1808 clause that, you know, they couldn't touch.

It was forbidden.

from touching the transatlantic straight slave trade for 20 years.

I'm just delivering the history of this country from our founding fathers.

He said it himself.

He said it himself.

He looked at what he signed and called the three-fifths one of the Constitution's greatest blemishes.

That's his words.

1817, now he starts to push back.

He wants to send it to abolish the domestic slave trade.

He doesn't sign it then, baby.

20 years now.

I guess it's a few years now since 20 years is about to pass.

1819, Missouri applies for statehood as a slave state.

King is 64 now, nearly the last living signer of the Constitution in the state, in the Senate.

And he gives the speeches of his life.

Printed as pamphlets, they circulate across the nation.

His words a quote to the US Senate in 1819 The equality of rights which includes an equality of burdens is a vital principle in our theory of government See the old compromise was It was a necessary sacrifice

He admits but extending that Disproportionate power to the new states would be unjust Come on man y'all y'all y'all don't hear me man.

Look at your neighbor and say neighbor The Missouri compromise admits Missouri enslaved

and draws a line across the map instead.

Congress, he argues, can bar slavery from any new state forever.

He lost that again.

This is 64 now.

64 back in the goddamn 1800s.

That's got to be, I don't even know what 64 is back then.

Got to be falling off the bone.

1821.

He's still fighting.

He battles a move to strip black men.

Of the vote in New York's Constitution, calling it unconstitutional.

He never stopped.

He never stopped once he started fighting.

And then he dies in 1827, 34 years later, the Civil War settles.

What the convention would not at a cost of more than 600,000 dead when we come back When we come back We're gonna wrap this up we're gonna put a button on the general We're gonna get to the verdict, okay Don't go anywhere y'all you listening to the award winning one on one seven

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up y'all welcome back to the award-winning one-on-one seven the truth live from the american family and sharing studios it's your boy ray nitty prince of the city you already know

Brother Z got me with the production and sound Welcome back y'all eight three three two one two ten seventeen is a number to dial Talking about country how we got here

Who signed it?

What is their connection to Milwaukee?

One of the most prestigious schools next to Riverside.

Named it after.

All right.

So was he a fighter?

Yes, he did fight.

He absolutely did.

He did fight.

King, he didn't just talk.

And we're going to give you a receipt list.

All right.

Every verified fight and we're going to do it in order in 1785, Western lands.

In the Confederation Congress, he pushes to ban slavery from the nation's Western territories.

The efforts fails, but the idea survives.

1787, the North, the Northwest's ordinance.

Same summer as a convention.

King is chiefly responsible for the article bearing slavery from the entire Northwest Territory.

The land becomes Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin.

Five free states, one law, his fingerprints are on it.

Can't deny it.

Can't you cannot deny it?

He did it.

1787.

Again, the convention floor August eight.

He fights the three fifths clause on the record.

He did fight it a most granting and most grading circumstance to his mind.

And opposed is shielding the slave trade.

He did oppose it.

I want to be clear.

I want to be clear when I say this.

He did oppose it.

He loses both fights and signs anyway Okay, the domestic slave trade now a US senator from New York He backs Senate action to abolish the domestic slave trade the buying and selling of human beings between America states He fought 1819 in Missouri the biggest fight of his life he backs the Talmadge

Amendment, excuse me, gradual emancipation from Missouri and delivers the two Senate speeches that get printed and pamphlets spread across the country.

Three-fifths was a necessary sacrifice, but we asked the question, a necessary sacrifice of who?

But extending slave state powers to the West would be unjust.

He loses the Missouri Compromise passes after Missouri.

Gradual emancipation.

He keeps pushing.

Emancipation in various ways, including a plan to fund emancipation and resettlement outside the country.

Through the sale of public lands.

The era's respectable anti-slavery position and worth naming it, honestly.

Even the good guy solution centered white comfort.

So even in there, they was like.

We'll set you off for you, but you got to go someplace else.

You can't stay here.

You got you don't have to go home.

Is that what that saying came from?

You don't got to go home, but you got to get the hell up out of here.

1821 the ballot.

New York tries to write a racial voting restriction into its constitution.

Iron line.

Ironically enough, they're still doing that today.

King fights it on the floor as unconstitutional.

He loses that one, too.

But he's 66, y'all at these times and he's still.

Fighting.

He never won the big ones.

The ordinance is the exception.

Everything else he lost.

Which is exactly why the verdict question hits.

All right.

The verdict.

Here's our verdict.

So which is he?

Which is he?

Got that slig right?

Brother Z.

Got that sleep Rick Who's that sleep Rick the art of storytelling my sleep Rick I Guess I should have been specific.

I just told you something called the honor the storyteller my apologies So which is he?

The pragmatists who bought a fragile Union time

gambling wrongly, that slavery would with it.

Who is he?

Or is he the man who looked at the price?

Who is he?

Call us.

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So which is he?

The.

Pregmatis who bought a fragile union time.

Gambling wrongly that slavery would wither.

or the man who looked at the price, knew exactly who would pay it, signed it anyway, and spent 30 years trying to buy his conscious back.

The school on Milwaukee's north side carries his name into this week's news.

So maybe it is fitting.

Rufus King's story is an American story.

It is America's story.

A story filled of compromise, regret, and the bill coming due.

Call in.

Who was Rufus King to you?

Was he a hero who compromised?

Or was he just somebody with good speeches?

Can you do the wrong thing for the right reasons and still be the good guy?

That's what I want to know.

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Man.

Just give y'all some fast facts before we wrap this up, man.

That was fun.

It was fun doing this.

This deep dive, man.

So.

It was 32 years old at the signing.

Died in 1827.

He spent 30 years trying to fix some of the decisions that he made back then.

He owned enslaved people as a young man, became a leading anti-slave voice.

Northwest Ordinance, 1787, he banned slavery in the territory that became Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan.

I got to give it to him for it.

He called three-fifths a necessary sacrifice in

1787 and the one of the Constitution's greatest blemishes by 1803.

Almost 20 years later.

But notice the time frame.

Notice.

The third chain.

The 1808 clause.

That can Congress.

was forbidden.

I don't think we realize how important and detrimental that signing was.

Congress was forbidden from touching the slave trade for 20 years.

And coming up on that 20 years, he started his fight to undo what was already done.

His 18, 19 Missouri speeches were printed

as pamphlets and distributed nationally.

The U.S.

Senate official history calls him the Senate's last framer.

1821, he fought a racial voting restriction in New York's Constitution and unconstitutional as unconstitutional.

He was born into a slaveholding family.

A slaveholder himself as a young man.

traveled the longest philosophical distance as one of the founding fathers of this country, his lifetime scorecard against slavery.

The Northwest ordinance, he won.

The convention floor, Missouri and the New York Ballad Fights.

He lost those.

When we come back, y'all.

When we come back.

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Today was a good day, man.

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We're having a real good conversation.

Educational.

I learned so much doing this research.

I learned so much doing this research on the general.

On the general.

Rufus King.

Call me up, man.

Did you?

Did we know any of this information?

I would like to know.

I know a lot of this.

I didn't know.

But that is the power of today.

That is the power of today.

I hope.

You know.

Today we was able to like do a little history research on some of.

are greats for the lack of better words.

Just educate ourselves more.

Me included.

Me included, there is a lot that I don't know.

But there's even more that I am willing to learn.

I am always open to be educated on things I may not be the best.

educated on.

Whether that's American history, black American history or my own Caribbean history.

So much about my Caribbean history that if I even some of it slipped my mind.

Forgotten in travel and commute to that's why it's important to study your history.

I'm talking about myself.

And if anybody, you know, if it resonates with anybody, that's amazing too.

But a lot of times, majority of the times, when I'm talking, I'm talking to myself about myself.

Kind of giving myself a pep talk.

Okay.

Giving myself a pep talk, man.

just trying to be better at what it is we're doing up here.

And that may come with, you know, somebody correcting me when I'm wrong or, you know, a caller calling in and sharing a perspective that I may not have thought of.

But the good thing about this is We get to learn Not that you all just get to learn from me majority of this is me learning from you all Me learning from my colleagues Listening to advice that colleagues people That have done things longer than us

or been at companies longer than us.

We learn from.

And it's up to us to if we're going to listen and take the advice.

Are we going to implement it or are we going to be stubborn and close down?

I love criticism.

I love it.

It makes me better.

When Truth Nation was

on our heels about the transition.

Y'all wanted more, you know, who is it?

Who is this?

Who is this person?

And rightfully so, I understand when people are accustomed to things and then all of a sudden change just randomly happens, it could be a little bit uncomfortable.

It could be a little bit uncomfortable.

But it's nothing wrong with change.

Not all change is bad.

Not all change is bad.

Even General Rufus King realized that.

Because he was born into a family of slaveholders, even had some himself.

But then became one of the strongest.

Fighters.

Against slavery.

But even then, we understand that people are human.

Deals are made.

They called the three fifths law a necessary sacrifice.

Ultimately, it was a sacrifice that our people felt the most.

The 1808 clause.

Congress was forbidden from touching slavery for 20 more years.

That means business is open for 20 more years.

And we know what the byproducts of that business was.

Okay?

led to millions of bodies being shipped across the oceans, dropped off on numerous places.

That's how I ended up in the Virgin Islands.

Not me particularly as if I was dropped off on a slave ship, but people that look like me.

And who colonized us is who got to claim us, whether it be the British.

which is the British version of British Virgin Islands, which is comprised of Tortola, Virgin, Virgin, God, Joe's Van Dyke and some more smaller chain islands.

Little Saint James, where a lot of the billionaires purchase these islands.

The U.S.

Virgin Islands.

Saint Thomas, Saint Croix, Saint John.

Little Saint James that we spoke of.

Oh, yes.

I say Little Saint James, but that's what we called it when I was a kid.

But you all in America know it as Epstein Island.

Yeah.

So we weren't originally colonized by the US.

But the Danish Denmark.

That's why a lot of our buildings.

Have a lot of.

Resemblance of Denmark.

The architecture.

Very similar.

I love our architecture.

I can't even front.

I love the architecture back home.

I love it.

Feels nostalgic when I see the style of buildings that we have So yeah, I just asked this question I Asked this question and it might be an uncomfortable one, but I don't care I'm okay with being uncomfortable And that's the problem

That's our problem.

We have gotten too comfortable being comfortable.

We like how things work.

We like how we want to keep things the same.

Don't come in here changing things up.

We wanna be comfortable.

We make up so many excuses.

We're pivoting now at this time, if you haven't noticed.

We're pivoting.

We make so many excuses.

We make, I, I.

I make so many excuses.

Like I said, a lot of times when I speak, I am having a conversation with myself about myself radio.

was interesting.

Like, yeah, I'm talking to y'all.

But it's like, can I really see y'all?

I don't know who's listening.

I know it's me and brother Z. And that's the one person I know that's listening.

And even then, he's doing other work.

So imagine.

How you call my name?

See?

He's making sure I don't go over.

Like right now, when I come back, y'all, don't go anywhere.

We'll continue this conversation and close this thing out.

What up y'all, welcome back to the award-winning 10170 Truth.

Live from the American family, insurance studios, you are listening to Milwaukee Black Talk.

It's your boy Ray Nitty, Prince of the City, man.

You already know.

Brother Z holding us down with the production to sound.

How y'all feeling?

Kick a little south from the underground.

I tried to tell him.

I'm the realest in the city.

They don't know why they called it boy.

I was just playing.

I was finna get it, but I ain't finna do it.

Somebody asked me to freestyle yesterday.

I can't trust myself not to curse.

I'm not that polished anymore.

I am about to get back active on this mic though.

I feel like they forgot that I could write.

I might have to get back active.

in the music.

And what's crazy is I've always been like creating.

Have I been putting stuff out?

No, not necessarily.

I got comfortable.

Remember I said I'll be talking about myself to myself with y'all?

Because we think about it.

Radio is kind of a kind of an insane job.

You just up here talking over the airwaves and you're hoping.

People are having this conversation with you.

I've been here for four hours Talking first two hours cool me and Shannon, you know, we get to chop it up But radio I was taught when I interned at V100 under dog love

Then Reggie Brown shared with me a comment.

I can't remember the name of the guy, but it's a guy who has Milwaukee ties.

He also has strong radio connections in Atlanta.

If I'm not mistaken, he owns.

The popular stations in Atlanta.

But he said radio.

He said the guy told him this radio is theater of the mind.

What does that mean?

It is theater of the mind, meaning what I took from that was it is our responsibility.

Nowadays, you know, you got cameras and everything that you could record and see what the person looks like.

But typically radio, you don't see the person, so it is theater of the mind.

We have to deliver these.

messages, these stories, these segments, these topics.

In a way.

That it provokes something in you.