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It is the extended lunch break crew.

Ray Nitty DJ, brother Z holding us down.

with the production and sound, man.

We having an amazing conversation today.

We having a good one today, y'all.

We talking about the diaspora war.

The separation of our blackness, our identity, separate from each other.

Who's qualified to have the conversation with our community about the things that's impacting our community because.

We want to talk about, you know, actor DaVinci, he played in BMF.

He said a few things.

We talked about it on the lunch break.

He says America, America has pushed its society, has taught its society to be lazy, to be, what did he say?

Did he say incompetent?

Work ethic is just bad and poor.

And it created a very, very interesting conversation.

People was offended.

People was offended by the things he said because not because they saying.

I didn't hear anybody say the things that he said was not true.

But what I heard people say is because, you know, we're offended because of the separation.

As if he said, like, you know, I'm not one of those blacks or something like that.

The separation.

And it's a fair conversation, right?

Because.

I've seen it.

I've heard it.

I've heard Caribbean people say, oh, you know.

I'm not like the American Blacks or so forth.

And as a Caribbean person myself, I don't subscribe to that thought process.

I don't agree with it.

Da Vinci also said he didn't agree with it as well.

And him highlighting how he grew up different with Haitian parents.

I think people took that as he was separating himself.

I more so feel like he was identifying it.

Hey, I had a different cultural upbringing.

So the way culturally Americans may have done things was a little bit different in the household, even though I was born in New York.

So we talking about this, y'all, we get real offended.

We get so offended that we don't get to work.

We've separated ourselves by religion, color, class, ethnicity.

By if you are a migrant or American.

Even by neighborhoods.

To some point, we kill each other over.

You know, we had we had a real good conversation today.

We were talking about, you know.

Who is qualified to have this conversation?

Who's qualified to have it there since, you know, we feel a way when a certain.

whether it's a Caribbean or, you know, African or whatever.

And yes, there is a sector of folks that just be like, I'm not like one of those black.

But here's the thing, right?

Here's the thing, even in America, and I, yes, Shannon, I agree with Shannon, thousands of percent refused to let people just say, oh, all of these people is not terrible from the north side.

There are amazing people.

from the north side of Milwaukee 100% 101,000% And I'm saying to those amazing people from the north side of Milwaukee The rest of the community needs you Because as we know systemically

Our community has been subjected to very unfortunate circumstances that has set us back.

So the amazing people in the north side of Milwaukee or beyond.

My question that I wanted to go further with Shannon was and call it will get to you in a second.

No hang up.

My question is like, OK, these amazing people and it's it's great people doing work.

It's great organizations doing work.

Great organizations that need more support.

Amazing organizations that need more support.

Metcalf Park doing amazing things.

Missing missing link missing pieces doing amazing things.

Farina Brooks and her team is doing amazing things.

But how do we have this conversation without us being offended and saying, OK, you know what?

Let's get together as a community.

Let's really do this.

Let's stop separating each other because somebody may have said, like, you know, when I. And here's a funny part, right?

Usually.

the things and examples I heard from a Caribbean people is like, oh, you know, culturally, we grew up a little bit more like talking to our neighbors, building with our neighbors.

People could discipline you if they could discipline you if you were acting up, get you right on track.

And then you hear Miss Curly say, that's how it used to be in this country.

So.

It's not like something foreign is being talked about.

It's a way that the community used to operate.

We used to know each other.

We used to lean on one another.

Now we don't even know the person we live upstairs from or beneath.

Next door, we don't know him.

I even said myself.

I don't know everybody by name that lives on my block.

We have created so many silos amongst our community.

We got the homie markets online.

Let's go talk to markets.

How you feeling?

Talk to us.

Welcome to the lunch break.

Extend out.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

I've been listening and I don't understand what the huge up or is based on his comments.

And I know you've been asking who's qualified to talk about this.

And it's like everyone is qualified to talk about it.

This is America.

We do have the right to free speech just because the young brother gave his opinion.

Why do we have to do that?

Like when we determine that he was talking about black America,

that's why I was trying to figure out

why we are.

I don't understand where that narrative came into the young brother, sharing his experience of he is an American.

He was born here.

And he's from Haitian descent.

Just gave a little bit of his background and then.

We crucify and poured, but it's us.

We do it to each other.

The same thing that you're talking about.

We do this to each other all the time, break each other down versus try to understand what the brother was talking about and build it and build everybody at the same time.

Yeah.

100%.

I actually, I came from that, right?

I'm, I'm, I'm 80s baby.

I came from the black ones.

I was raised on 2050 capital.

You got mama neither next door.

You had the language over here, the Jenkins over here, the Henry's.

We all, without everybody houses, everybody could discipline you.

You had to be inside before the street lights was on.

All those things, it was definitely a community and it was very far from that currently.

You have my own thoughts and processes, but I think it's an overall bigger problem here with certain systemic things that have occurred.

But yeah, I don't understand why they give on this brother like that though.

Yeah, because so what it sounds like people are saying because of the kind the context of which they were talking right first they were just talking about UK actors taking American roles and I think what happened is because they started to talk about specific black films or shows ie whether it be Whatever the Spencer joint was

All American or the the the snowfall, you know, or they reference Idris Alba.

So far, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

So I think people were saying, OK, you talking about black specific things.

And then, you know, he said he says no, no shot.

But he's like, you're all Americans.

So I think that statement made it as if he was separating himself.

from the American experience, which I could understand if people just hear that, right?

And we like, well, what you mean, y'all America's technically like, not even technically you, he's literally born in New York.

So he's an American, right?

But what I thought he was doing was saying, like, as Americans, you know, it's a little bit different from how my Haitian parents went about things.

But.

That's why I feel like the conversation went a little bit, um, derailed, but I am trying to ask our community like, okay, let's take in our emotions out of it and the separation out of it is what he said.

Does it have some truth?

Absolutely.

It's true.

I mean, America has promoted laziness.

I think I heard you say earlier, even just with.

you know, the introduction of the internet, you know, even these days, kids on the tablet, urge you guys to talk about, you know, work from home.

But even in the sense of being a raising, you know, actual children, you know, make their own lunches, have chores, do your own things, creating a work ethic at home.

I think that's more so when he was kind of hitting on with his home and being raised like, and that's not just a Haitian thing.

That's, you know, that that's culture to everyone.

But what we do see is we got to be honest about it.

I got, we see kids on a tablet all the time.

You know,

these tablets, they got phones, even, even, you know, gameplay or, you know, you play games, it's, it's, it's on the internet.

It's not like you got to go ride the bike to your friend house to play the N64 and go now.

No, you have to actually, you can just get on line at home and sit there all day and play with, you know, thousands or millions of people.

It does promote staying in the house versus back in the back in those days.

We were outside the house, you know, moving moving around and it does a certain level of sedentary lifestyle that does make you lazy.

So if he's stating just that piece, America promoted that.

Absolutely.

I

agree.

Man, appreciate you, brother Marcus.

Thank you for calling in.

When we come back, y'all, we'll get to the next caller right here on the award winning one on one, seven to truth.

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What up y'all

welcome back to the award-winning one-on-one seven the truth Milwaukee black talk live from the American family and Sharon studios is your boy Ray nitty Prince of the city DJ brother Z holding us down with the production and sound on the extended lunch break y'all

We're just filling in for Aunt Viv.

Aunt Viv will be starting next week, as a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, correct?

He's getting some Aunt Viv next week, man.

Looking forward to that.

This is my last week with y'all on the Extendo, man, unless I got to fill in or something.

But 833-212-1017 is the number to die.

We having a conversation, y'all.

When can we have conversation with each other?

When can we criticize each other?

Without us getting emotional without us getting in our feelings because on the lunch break we talked about when a father Simply asked somebody that was driving reckless like hey man slow down I got kids in here and that father was shot in the face and killed in front of these kids Same for another mother that was driving on Capitol So when can we talk to each other

When can we start saying enough is enough?

When is it tolerable?

Who is the right messenger to deliver that message so we don't get offended?

So it's delivered in a in a palatable way that our community can start to.

You know, respond differently.

Let's go talk to Miss Charlotte.

Miss Charlotte, how are you doing?

I'm doing well.

Thank you.

purpose this conversation by saying, I'm a New Yorker and I'm from a Trinity background.

Oh, and, and, and the one thing I'd like to say is that we have to stop acting like black Americans of one monolith perspective because we're not.

And, and Al said, I think earlier that we can recognize racism and everything like that, but we cannot help people that don't want to help themselves.

You, you can't do much for a person that has no ambition to do something for themselves.

Um, and, and in my household and culturally, education was supreme.

It was a central focus of existence was getting an education.

And one time I got a bad record card on my father said, well, if you want to keep doing that, learn how to wash windows.

And that snapped me right out of it.

So there are cultural differences, but I will finish with saying this.

The one thing playing in black community is black men killing each other.

That's really the biggest You know Problem we have right now.

What makes you so angry like you just pointed out that a roadway It should make you shoot somebody in the face that black woman on Capitol.

She got shot in the face in front of her son What makes you want to be like that and it makes it so people don't want to shop in black neighborhoods people are terrified of being caught in crossfires We have to address the reality of our situation

And I'll say this too, I've volunteered at a daycare and I've volunteered in daycares for 20 years, even when I worked.

So I'm simultaneously trying to solve the problems, but you have to realize that people don't want to help themselves.

I got women at a daycare that have eight children by four different men.

It isn't the age of birth control.

If you don't want eight children, you don't really have to have eight

children.

I appreciate you, Miss Charlotte, for calling in.

I agree.

I agree with a lot of what folks are saying.

But what I'm also hearing is we are content with just saying, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm never above being corrected.

When we done with this, we're going to go talk to Rebecca in one second here.

But what I don't hear is us saying,

I'm hearing us give up on the community.

I'm hearing us give up on the village.

I'm hearing us say, you know what?

It's over.

We don't, we, there's nothing else we could do.

That's what I feel like I'm hearing.

We can't criticize each other.

We can't do anything.

We can't, because you go tell somebody, Hey, you shouldn't talk to that baby like that.

You get killed.

You shouldn't.

Cuss that baby out like this in the grocery store.

You can get killed Oh Don't dump this don't throw your garbage out the window you can get shot Who can speak to us when we can't even speak to ourselves We just talked about the generational difference and that's what I felt like he was saying the generations are different it's more

Even if we just want to take the word lazy out of it, humans are naturally way more just disrespectful.

No respect for our elders at all.

Whether that's white, black, Puerto Rican, like it's just a generational gap right now and everybody is being disrespectful.

Society has pushed this narrative, this culture of like, I'm only for myself.

I'm only caring about me and minds.

Let's go talk to Rebecca.

Rebecca, how are you doing?

I'm doing well.

I'm enjoying the show.

I pray all is well with everyone that can hear my voice.

Thank you.

Pray all is

well.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Yes.

I, you know, I hate to come at.

edit from this angle, but this is my honest to God true belief.

I am an associate Reverend at the St.

Mark African Methodist Episcopal Church on Atkinson in Milwaukee.

I am brand new to this area.

I didn't get here till the end of March from Georgia, the dirty South.

And I grew up the first 20.

years of my life in the Detroit, but I was born in the only country that's accepted in the Caribbean islands.

So put that all together to get to your question.

What country was that just to educate

our?

There we go.

Guyana.

Guyana.

Yes.

But I have only 13 years in Guyana for the core of my life from 14 to my mid 30s is Detroit and then of course the last 29 years in Georgia and here I am in Milwaukee where I'm serving the people of Milwaukee.

And you say who could talk to our people?

Whomever God lays on their heart to talk to us and our people, I stopped on my way to church yesterday morning at the corner of Atkinson 43 and said to my homeless group that I see every Sunday morning as I go to church.

Once you come down, walk down to St.

Mark, we're serving a whole meal after the service.

You don't even have to come to the service.

Come down at 1130.

We got some old food lunch.

Hmm

You know did nobody come but somebody got to start if the Lord is telling you and it will and you can't get it out of you You are compelled to do this thing that you've been debate and do it You know If our leaders that painted or the way for us didn't take a chance on losing their lives who would have spoken for us You know

Sometimes we may have to approach the person by declaring our title so to know where our statement is coming from, where our interceding is coming from, but I say come back to the church and say, Mark, we haven't given up on our folks.

We haven't given up on our folks and we're not gonna give up on all our folks.

As long as God don't give up on us, which we want, we're not gonna give up on our community.

Appreciate you.

Rebecca, thank you for calling in and thank you for the work that you're doing as well.

And those those are the stories that I'm talking about right there.

The Rebecca stories because somebody is out there doing the work.

So I refuse to believe that we just get offended.

We're going to talk to the caller in a second after this.

I refuse to believe that we just accept things to be who they are.

And we just go into an offensive.

State like you you separating yourself from I don't think he was separate.

He was identifying and staying.

Hey, I grew up a little bit different and here in America.

Now he separated himself because he is American.

So that's why I could understand people was.

Upset, but I think he was identifying it.

Hey, culturally, you know, at home, I was.

raised like a Haitian family would raise their kids.

Culturally.

I was born in the United States Virgin Islands.

But I was raised by a Saint Lucian mom.

A Reuben, my father is from Aruba.

My grandfather is from Santo Domingo.

So culturally, we have different experiences.

Let's go talk to the caller.

Do we got time to talk to the caller?

Take it after the break.

When we come back after the break, y'all, we're going to talk to the caller right here on the award-winning 10170 True.

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y'all

welcome back to the award-winning one-on-one seven the truth live from the American Family Assurance Studios it's your boy Ray Nitty Prince of the City DJ brother Z holding us down with the production and sound man We having a real good conversation today.

I'm really enjoying this conversation

I'm having this real good conversation, man.

Accountability in the black community is what I feel like this is heading towards.

We're going to talk to the caller in a second.

Accountability in the black community.

We talking about Brother Da Vinci, who said some things and sent black communities everywhere into Aurora.

Because they felt like his remarks were.

Him distancing himself from the the black American community because he has Haitian parents even though he was born in New York, you know and You know feeling as if they were Feeling as if um, you know people talk took it as he was saying

Black Americans are lazy and incompetent and so forth.

When I saw society, he was saying society, America as a whole, has taught its citizens to be dependent on these things that limit our ability to critically think.

Let's go talk to the caller.

The caller, how you doing, man?

You live on one on one seven to

truth.

I am doing awesome.

and accountability for the words that have meaning, and being factual when you speak is where I'm going to deal with this.

Okay.

Mark is going to be, when he talked about Black people all over this planet coming together, everything that I'm hearing from that conversation, because he actually did speak in the context of discussing

black actors, and I'm sure you personally know Jacob Lattimore, who is probably the hardest working actor in Sylvia, probably who works probably harder than him, who was not raised outside of here.

Um, I could be Jordan has grinded for almost 20 years for Isaac P. Henson,

and I could go on

and on and on and on, uh, and go back to Sydney 48.

Uh, and many people like Gary Belafonte, like yourself,

might have been born in one part.

These Americans, they don't understand what I'm saying, and it all reeks this whole conversation, calling for the caller, weeks in Willie Lynch's and what I have to divide by skin color, height, was welcome and in the other conversation where it did shot at the same city, where they

If I'm talking about a certain block, I've got to represent that block right up on you.

And so all of this really loads you.

And for me, if you open your mouth and say, black American actor, and you separate yourself from that when you are an American citizen, first of all, you've stated in our practice, you're an American, your parents are from some of those.

And I wonder what the connection that

That's what we don't know that they actually have.

How often has he been?

Two years.

I have a children who have never been to the island of Haiti.

But they are very diverse in the fact that Haiti was probably the first of the Americas to be free.

And we're to sign a little bit cheaper one award, which should be a source of pride for black people all over the place.

Call I think we just lost you on the phone was going in and out but I think we got on the gist of what you were saying Thank you.

Thank you for calling in.

It was just a little hard to hear you I think the call just officially dropped but from what I feel like I gathered is The caller was saying, you know, this was about the separation in the Willie Lynch theory

That's separated as I think that's what we was talking about earlier That's what we were getting at earlier we have been separated we have taught we have been taught to hate ourselves so much Talk to not trust ourselves so much that we can't even communicate with each other We can't have real like

thoughtful conversations without folks being offended.

And taking it personal.

Now, what does if he said some other questionable things in the past, I haven't looked into that stuff.

We're just talking about this conversation right here.

And I guess my question is, is 414.

Here I am again.

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My number is about 15 times.

I was about to finish it.

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You know?

My question is... Here's my question.

Which probably leads to other questions.

We we say Willie Lynch and we say all of these things that separate us.

If we peel back our emotions.

Is it things that were said?

True.

Do we believe America?

I ain't talking about just black Americans.

Do we believe that America, this country is pushing its citizens.

To a more Dependable lifestyle Whether that be dependent on AI whether that be dependent on You know Google to make things fast for us and they were saying things like efficiency But I don't view it as efficiency.

I thought what I saw they were saying is efficient was just about getting things fast quicker

And what do we sacrifice in the road to get in everything fast?

And I remember I'm sitting here remembering this quote.

I'm almost sure I'ma say it wrong, but.

It was Denzel Washington.

He says, what is the responsibility of media?

Because media.

Everybody wants to just be fast.

Get it fast.

Be the first to get this done.

Be the first to get the story out.

But at what cost?

At what cost?

You rush to go do something and then what?

Now we just doing sloppy journalism.

Putting out false information, bad information that we can't take back.

because we put it out there.

What is the cost to society by speeding everything up and not just taking a little bit of time to slow down for a second and be like, okay, what are we doing here?

What is the conversation?

It's a couple things I want us to get into, right?

I want us to get into, and this was sent to me, man, to send this to me, definitions and the differences, right?

And we're going to talk about race.

OK, we're going to talk about ethnicity.

And we're going to talk about nationality because it's different things.

OK, let's go read some of the comments, y'all, in the chat.

We got rather R.C.

says no such thing as distancing yourself in the black community.

We are everywhere distancing from bad people in general.

OK.

Abstract noir says, I think his comment around America's being lazy was pretty lazy because most Western countries are big on technology, even China, Japan, technology, the technology is huge there.

And let's just go back to what he said.

Says America is pushing its citizens towards this.

Do we not agree with that?

Let's start there.

Do we agree with where this country is pushing its citizens to?

Whether you black whether you white whether you whatever you are American citizen Do we agree that this country is pushing its citizens into a more dependent state?

whether that's From the microwave being faster whether that's

you know, how fast are they growing our food and making our food bigger and but injecting it with all of these things.

Do we think that this country is pushing us to this state, making us more dependent on these things, speeding life up so fast that we don't got no choice to keep up other than use AI?

And at what cost?

Social media Cell phones text me we don't even talk on the phones no more we text each other So now so many conversations get misconstrued because what we just texting everything in the way that we feel through the phone Human interaction is becoming less common

Yeah, you'll go see somebody out whatever, but because we're communicating via Instagram, Facebook, all these platforms, and I'm gonna say the younger generation, they are not really having genuine human interactions with each other.

They don't know how to communicate to each other.

They don't know how to talk to each other.

Talking in damn emojis.

Somebody in chat said at one turn people praise technology because it helps us do things in a minimum amount of time.

Then you got another where people saying it makes us lazy.

Do what you want to work harder or do what you want to.

I agree.

That's a very true statement.

Both could be true, though.

Both could absolutely be true.

We could be working harder and faster and technology and everybody is embracing it, but that doesn't mean That is not making people lazy, you know how many people how many AI scripts or or whatever I've seen people put out or sent to me and they didn't even take the time to read

the actual thing that AI sent out for him.

That is what we talking about.

Those little things that seem like nothing.

That's what we talking about.

Them little adjustments.

I don't even got to read this because AI did it.

But AI, how you interviewing a whole damn white woman when you sitting in front of a black man.

Trust me, I've seen it.

When we come back, y'all, we'll continue this conversation right here on the award-winning 1017, The Truth.

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How y'all feeling, man?

We having this conversation, all right?

We having this conversation.

About...

separation, y'all, of blackness, black culture, groups of black people, whether it be Caribbean, light skin, dark skin, rich, poor, middle class, Jehovah Witness, Baptist, Christian, so many separation.

So much separation in our communities.

eight three three two one two ten seventeen let's have a conversation about it let's have a conversation about it because you know I I'm seeing the uproar I'm seeing the uproar of of people feeling away but

I am sitting here as somebody who has literally experienced Black Americans separating me from the Black American conversation because I was born in the Virgin Islands.

And because what I'm saying, I can't understand exactly what the Black American experience is because I moved here when I was 14, 15.

As if I'm not sitting here living.

in the same black experience.

I understand culturally, some things may be different.

I could understand that.

You got some comments, y'all.

It says.

It was talking about the work smarter and so forth.

And it said, we can't ignore that there is a diaspora.

Or going on a diaspora war, I'm assuming is what they were supposed to say going on.

I've never heard this stuff in person, but I've seen it on the Internet where black immigrants say that African American people have no culture.

I've seen that.

I've seen that.

And they say, oh, and that we don't know where we come from.

I've seen that as well.

I've heard folks say that as well.

All right.

It says, but if I apply the same logic that they use against black American people, if I went to any of the Caribbean islands and asked them, uh, they come from where they come from, they're probably going to look at me crazy.

Brother RC says, I don't think any modern middle class or lower society is getting better.

AI is going to hit worldwide when it comes to possibly putting people out of work or in low wage situations.

All right.

Let's talk about that comment right there.

Let's talk about the comment that says, if you apply the same logic.

that they use against black Americans people.

If I went to any of the Caribbean islands and asked them where they come from, they're probably going to look at me crazy.

You should try it out.

You should try it out.

You should try it out.

But you ask.

You ask a black American that.

Do they know where they come from right not criticizing them for not knowing You know Black Americans will be like I ain't African I ain't come from Africa and Rightfully so those that want to say that they can say that but why is it's okay when black Americans distance themselves

and say, I'm American.

I ain't no African booty scratcher.

It's all fun and games.

It's culturally recognized that that is the immigrant joke, whether you from Africa or not, that you separate your sales by identifying folks as African booty scratchers.

Let's go talk to Ali Ali on the line.

How you doing Ali welcome to the lunch break

Well, thank you.

Thank you so much so The answer your question about AI, of course, we all know that unless you feel free AI is not accurate, but I also think that if you rely on Anything what is AI Google anything that's not human

you're getting less quality work.

That is just my, you know, my opinion.

It also about all the young people not being able to communicate, all the workforce replacing live people with machinery.

To some, it is better, and especially for the younger, they are accustomed to

Non-humans interaction as we the older I'm in my early senior years We're accustomed to human interaction and sometimes some of us are not Ex-savvy enough to go with where technology in this country is pushing us Some of us are left behind So

I just think the better quality, of course, I'm going to tell you, I think the better quality is back to when you could call somebody and

then

therefore your ideas and your comments and suggestions and interaction is not mistaken.

As you said earlier, misconstrued.

And sometimes as far as ethnicity, nationality, race, all of that,

I feel that you can overlook the ugly duckling story.

The ugly duckling wasn't even a duckling, but the ugly duckling grew up amongst the ducklings.

So therefore you plant us human beings, we tend to become where you plant us.

We grow there and we grow in that way of our society.

So I feel like too much is put on ethnicity, too much is put on race.

I do take some weight from culture, depending how far separated we are from our ancestry.

And then you have the brand new who was just born here like yourself, maybe your parents weren't, I'm not sure.

But you have the brand new who was just born here from parents who were born somewhere else.

And so like when my children say we are African-Americans, they're like, what?

Even my name Ali, I am just placed in Egypt and Iran and the Muslim community and so on and so

forth.

Oh, and back to that, that actor, maybe you can invite him to your show and ask him to explain himself what he thought.

Yeah, I would love if we could get him on here.

Thank you all, Mali, for calling in.

I would love to get him on here and explain it.

And I. I feel like it's so much noise around it now.

I don't think nobody really wants to hear what he had to say.

Because I thought he explained himself pretty clear.

But there was a part in the interview where he was um Where he was talking about you know in conversation like you know people Receives words differently how somebody processes a word or somebody's definition of a word may be Extremely different from how somebody else is looking at a word, right?

And I say that because looking at the conversation that Cam Newton and DaVinci had, right?

They were stuck on this word efficient and how Cam was was using the word efficient and how DaVinci was using the word.

It was more so.

Cam was talking about we want things faster, not more efficient because efficient is a little bit.

So it's a little bit more than just saying, oh, we did something faster.

And what Cam was talking about was faster.

He was like, oh, if we practice for two minutes and win a championship.

But tell me who is who's practicing for two minutes and winning a championship?

Because if that was possible, trust me, they would do it.

So I didn't like that.

as an example, because who is practicing for two minutes and winning a championship?

Are you really getting better when you practice for two minutes?

Are you really getting team chemistry if you practice for two minutes?

And that's why I don't like hypotheticals because it doesn't exist You got no real example to base it off of you just throwing pie in the sky and saying what if and that's dangerous because we have real problems on the ground right now that we got to deal with So that's that's that's how I feel about it That's how I feel about it and

I for like I've noticed Americans going to other countries.

Whether it be a Spanish speaking country or whatever, just noticing Americans out of town and complaining about how things culturally are in a place that they are visiting.

Think about that.

In Mexico, I was going to why y'all don't got regular taste in

Sprites here Because we ain't poison in our citizens like y'all are in America imagine if that was a response So We have this like entitlement and audacity You know like we could

We can't, nobody could criticize us, but we could criticize everybody else.

But soon as somebody from the outside criticized, hold on now.

We the ones get to do all the shucking and jiving and complaining around here and criticizing and telling people what they should.

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Is that it?

I don't know.

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What up y'all welcome back welcome back to the award-winning one-on-one seven the truth as we begin to rock This hour two with the extended lunch break crew Ray nitty DJ brother Z holding us down with the production and sound man We having a very very interesting conversation very needed conversation man, and I'm I'm I'm Handling it delicately because as a Caribbean

Brother, who was, you know, I was born in the Virgin Islands and moved to Milwaukee in 1998 with this conversation.

And it's a frustrating conversation for me because I've seen it so many times.

It has impacted me so many times.

I've been separated from the conversation so many times, discredited from the conversation so many times as if the things you were saying weren't true.

But because we get so defensive and feel attacked.

That we ignored the real truth about things.

We ignore the real truth.

We had some amazing calls today.

We had some amazing calls today, but I have yet to hear anybody say anything that he said wasn't true.

Which poses a very larger question for me why?

Well, you know We ignore the truth Despite how something we said make us feel if you said something to somebody or highlighted something And they're like well wait Wait a minute, that's not that's not what I said

And that's why communicating with each other is so hard.

Willie Lynch and separated us so terribly, so much separated us.

We so divided, I don't even think we understand to the magnitude of how much we are divided.

So many things divide us, whether you vote or whether you not vote.

Even something as simple as that, whether you are a black Democrat or a black Republican, so many things separate us.

We never had a chance to come together.

Everything after slavery was just separate, separate, separate, separate, separate, separate the black man from the black woman, separate the black man from his religion, separate him from his language, separate him from his sense of identity, separate him from his family, separate them all from everything that they know to beat themselves.

How do we have a conversation?

How do we tell each other things without getting offended?

Without putting your life on the line.

We can say this right here in this city that some people won't even intervene in a domestic violence dispute because they are fearful that they will lose their life in trying to do something good in our community.

We won't even go knock on our name.

You can't come on man You can't knock on a neighbor's door and say hey the music is so loud.

I gotta wake up in the morning Because you could get killed I'm not saying hypothetically.

I'm saying this is what actually happened Not pie in the sky.

This is actual things that happen

But we we we get so lost in being offended.

Let's talk about.

These things that that separate us.

Definitions and differences.

All right.

We're talking about race.

We're going to go into race first.

We're going to go into race, ethnicity and nationality.

But right now we're going to talk about race.

Race.

What is race?

What is race?

Do we understand what race is?

OK, race is a social construct that categorizes people based on perceived physical or phenotypical characteristics such as skin color, hair texture.

And facial structure, according to scientific and anthropological consensus, race has no biological or genetic basis.

Do we can we say we agree on that?

That definition of race.

Contruth nation, just just throw a thumbs up in the chat if you if you think we could agree on that.

All right.

So social construct.

Categorizes people based on perceived physical.

A phenotypical characteristics.

We're talking about skin color, hair, texture.

Facial structure, you know, your bone density, them high cheek bones.

You got that.

Hmm.

the curvaceousness of a black woman.

Hmm.

Physical characteristics.

Then we have ethnicity.

OK.

Ethnicity is different.

then race and I think a lot of times we lump ethnicity and race in the same conversation and then we try to talk from this this place and try to get understanding but we talking about different things and I think that is a lot of the problem with our communication because we are saying words that we don't understand the real meaning of them.

So now people are communicating differently because when you say something to me and you use a word

And that's not the right definition of the word.

I am taking it as something else, but you are trying to say something else that I might actually agree with, but it's not the proper word for the conversation that we're having.

Okay.

Ethnicity.

This is where I think we lose.

Where the communication starts breaking down at, right?

Ethnicity, a shared cultural background and sense of common ancestry.

Okay?

A shared cultural background and sense of common ancestry.

This includes traditions, language, history,

religion and social customs.

This is important because unlike race.

Just follow me.

Unlike race, ethnicity is centered on lived culture rather than physical appearance.

Lived culture.

rather than physical appearance.

So ethnically.

Ethnically growing up in St.

Thomas and it seems like ethnically growing up in America as well, whether you Caribbean American or black American ethnically.

Whether it's way more common now today and just farther removed from black Americans.

I've heard numerous callers come up here and say ethnically.

You know, social customs as correcting your neighbor's kids, speaking to them, guiding them if they step out of line.

It's not foreign to the black American culture.

Which is even more interesting of a point to me because ethnically I think Caribbean's and immigrants are sharing a lot of the same things or trying to say the same things but but ethnically and I'm not saying all.

Black Americans, right?

Not saying all at all.

But ethnically.

It is very, I would like to think we would agree that ethnically, black Americans have gotten away from that village, that community.

Not every village, not every community, but we have gotten away from the big mamas we just heard about.

We've gotten away from the grandfathers.

We've gotten away from discipline, respect.

ethnically.

You respected your elders.

That was a custom.

What changed?

What changed?

When we come back, we're going to get into nationality.

Okay.

We talked about race, which is a social construct.

And it categorizes people by basically what they look like, characteristics, skin color, hair texture, things like that.

And we talked about ethnicity as your cultural background.

on your sense of common ancestry, your traditions, your language, your history, your religion, your social customs, all right?

When we come back, we're gonna get into nationality right here on the award-winning 1017, The Truth.

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What up, y'all?

Welcome back to the award-winning 1017.

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This is Milwaukee Black Talk.

And I am your boy Ray Needy Prince of the City, DJ Brother Z holding us down with the production and sound, man.

What y'all like, man?

We having a real good conversation, man.

We having a real good conversation.

Real good conversation, y'all.

And I appreciate this conversation as well, right?

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Join the conversation.

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We just went through the definitions of race and ethnicity, and now we're about to get into nationality.

OK.

Now we're about to get in.

To nationality.

This is my definition.

Once again, a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 is a number to dial.

Let's read some comments real quick as well.

R.C.

says ancestry would be more appropriate.

Race played a huge role in dividing humanity.

Absolutely.

He also says humanity, just like other creatures, have many variations.

without our kind slash species.

All still capable of protecting, of procreating with one another.

Yeah, that's true.

I also don't see him saying a. You from this side of the ocean.

Stay over there.

Don't talk about how we eat squid.

Under to see on this side, you do it on your side.

We've gotten so accustomed to being separated that we don't know what togetherness feels like anymore.

We've gotten so accustomed to the division and separation, we don't even know what it feels like.

To be amongst togetherness anymore.

Nationality.

All right.

That is legal citizenship and a formal relationship with a specific nation, state or country.

This status is typically determined by birthplace, descent or naturalization and it can change or be held duly.

Okay.

Eventually, I want to, I'm trying to see if I can get triple citizenship.

I'd love to get citizenship back home in St.

Lucia, where my mama from, and back home in the British Virgin Islands.

I'd love to have them three passports if society would allow it.

It doesn't sound like it's possible, but we'll see.

Legal citizenship and formal relationship with a specific nation, state or country.

Okay.

So As we get into this conversation deeper, right I want to talk about how our community was separated Okay The question on the table y'all let's talk about this How did one people Scattered from the same shores end up arguing

on the Internet about who's blacker, who's lazier, who suffered more.

The separation wasn't an accident.

OK, it was built layer by layer.

And if we don't understand the architecture, we'll keep fighting in room.

Somebody else's design.

I don't think y'all hear me.

Door number one, the scattering.

OK.

the scattering.

Let's start with the truth.

Nobody wants to say out loud.

And I think this is what everybody.

Majority of people is at least trying to say, and I could respect this, right?

The.

The concept of that we were never just one people When they took us All right, the ships didn't carry a nation they carried nations Yoruba Igbo icon fun Congo Wolof Mandinka different languages different gods different kings

Chained shoulder to shoulder in the dark deliberately mixed so they couldn't talk to each other Okay So they couldn't plan and they couldn't rise up

Okay

The numbers roughly

There

you go.

12.5 million Africans forced onto ships bound for the Americas.

About 10.7 million survived the middle passage.

The rest went into the Atlantic.

That's the first separation, okay?

From the land, from the language, from each other.

That was the first separation.

And here is what our history book skipped.

The separation was the strategy.

A ship full of people who can't speak to each other is a ship that can't revolt.

The vision wasn't a side effect story.

It was the operation system.

So we say we like to say it started with Willie Lynch.

But it was strategy door number two, the drawings of lines.

All right.

Fast forward to 1884, 14 European powers sit down in Berlin.

Not one African at the table, not one black person at the table.

and carved up a continent with rulers and pencils, straight lines through kingdoms, through families, through languages.

Overnight, your brother is French and you're British.

It's a little history.

Your cousins is Portuguese, the colonizer's hand.

hands you your language, his religion and a flag, and tells you the people across the imaginary line are your rivals now.

So out of that carving come the identities we still carry, Nigerian, Ghanaian, Haitian, Jamaican, Trinidadian, Dominican.

identities drawn by somebody else's pen.

So whether I talk like this or if I continue to talk like this for the rest of the show, which some people may find hard to understand or difficult to comprehend, the things I am saying, that does not mean my experience is any different or should be not taken serious.

by anybody simply because I wasn't born and stolen land.

But because I wasn't born here, I still born in United States, Virgin Islands.

And because I talk like this, when I get here, people separated me from the American experience and say okay.

You different, you like African, you can't really talk about where it is we going on, what got going on here.

And then we talk about all the Africans that jump over the board, jump over the ocean.

Look like two plus million they say we lose.

And we know that's just a smaller number.

I refuse to believe that not even one, not one person survive that jump over board.

What was that journey like?

Where did they end up?

We love to be separated so much of this came in our own detriment.

We want to be on top of something so bad.

We want to be above.

somebody so bad that we don't care if the people we are above is people that look like us.

And it's the same for immigrants and things.

We want to be above so bad that a portion of us

but buy into the stereotype of the ideology that the black Americans are the bottom of the totem pole, and you shouldn't be like them blacks.

That's a real thought process that some immigrants have.

Not all.

When we come back, y'all, we'll continue the conversation in my accent.

Right here in America on the award-winning one-on-one, 7th of Truth.

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Excuse me.

We having a conversation.

We having a conversation, y'all.

We talked about the drawing of the lines.

Right?

Out of that carving, y'all.

The identities we still carry, Nigerian, Ghanaian, Haitian, Jamaican, Trinidadian, Dominican.

Right?

One place broke the script.

1804.

1804.

Haiti.

Enslaved Africans defeat Napoleon's France, the most powerful army on earth and found.

The first free black republic.

It sent shockwaves through every plantation in the hemisphere.

It can be done.

And France made them pay for it.

Literally $150 million.

Independence debt that took Haiti until 1947 to finish paying.

Freedom with a bill attached.

Remember that when anybody asks you why is Haiti struggling?

Why is Haiti so prideful?

Why?

Hmm?

They freed themselves.

All right.

So Brother Da Vinci invoked Haiti on Friday, right?

He wasn't wrong about the history.

He didn't say nothing wrong.

He was wrong.

This is what he was wrong about.

He was wrong about what to do with it.

Pride in 1804 shouldn't become a hammer to hit other black people with.

It should be a mirror showing all of us of what's possible.

OK, door number three, the American making.

OK, meanwhile in America, something else was being forged, stripped of names, languages and nations, enslaved Africans built a new people.

Out of the wreckage the spirituals the blues the jazz rock and roll hip-hop the black church a language a humor a walk a way of surviving That the whole planet now copies Okay, we talked about hip-hop even so much of what folks are considering the hip-hop we don't even

pay respects to the Jamaican roots that are embedded in everything hip hop.

We like to say I was born in the Bronx, sure.

But where did it migrate from?

OK, where did the person who introduced.

Hip hop to the Bronx.

Where did it migrate from?

Where did that person take those sounds from those dub steps from those mashups from the chanting from?

Where did they come from?

Where was it inspired by?

Where was cool her from Jamaica?

Okay

Jamaica.

We forget about these things.

Or never even learned it.

See, what I've learned is in this country is that we start our story from wherever somebody else has started it at.

We never go to the beginning of the book.

We never try to add for and for a community.

He says abstract says that's disputed.

I don't understand why it's disputed Who introduced hip-hop to to the Bronx Was it not DJ cool hurt Was he not from Jamaica did he not introduce the stacking of of Speakers outside and and and and rapping over beats that was something brought from Jamaica

and introduced to New York.

What's the dispute?

You saying that didn't happen?

Because people start the story and say he's the one that introduced it to the Bronx.

We just had Fat Joe say it.

He the blackest person we've ever met.

I want to know what's the dispute in that.

Not the fat Joe part.

Tell me to dispute.

In hip hop, hip hop.

Sure.

It was first introduced.

It was first introduced by.

Google, who introduced hip hop?

Google it.

I'm gonna do it right now again just to make sure I ain't tripping.

And we gonna see.

Cause I know we did a whole show on it.

We did a whole show on it.

I'm not saying.

I'm not saying that those people didn't play a part in it.

Brother.

Heard himself said he got his influence from James Brown.

James Brown is a blueprint.

James Brown is.

Bro.

August 11 1973 DJ Cool Herk born Clive Campbell in Jamaica Okay DJ they back the school party organized by his sister Sydney Campbell at 1520 Sedwick Avenue in the Bronx, New York the event conventionally celebrated as a foundational moment the birth of hip-hop Okay

Okay.

This is also an important Caribbean connection.

Hurt grew up in Kingston, Jamaica, where he was exposed to Jamaican sound system culture.

DJ slash selectors playing powerful sound systems at neighborhood parties while performers talked over or we called it toasted over records.

After immigrating to the Bronx, that background influenced his approach.

So he was taking.

Yo.

You know, whatever America's had, if I'm not mistaken, it was funk at the time that was popping or something like that and was playing it over instrumentals, taking.

acapella isn't playing them over instrumentals or whatever or taking the instrumentals, the acapellas out and then rapping over them.

Which is called toasty.

But, yeah, all of these people you're talking about, but it came from Cool Hurt, who migrated from Jamaica.

When we come back, y'all, we'll continue the conversation right here on the award-winning 1017, The

Truth.

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welcome back to the award winning one-on-one seven the truth live from the American Family Assurance Studios.

How y'all feeling man?

We having a good conversation today We having a good conversation y'all we talking You know we talking about the diaspora, but we kind of fell into the conversation of hip-hop

And abstract, I am not saying I disagree with you.

Okay.

I know about the jive talking.

I know it predates hip hop itself.

Okay.

But the loud sound systems, the dancing, all of these elements, it came from DJ Hurt and the Jamaican.

Sound system parties that they saw the scratching and blending of records and talking over those records.

I ain't saying the jive thing.

Was it a thing?

I'm saying hip hop itself.

Hip hop itself.

Sure, it came from it has other different inspirations, but.

A lot of what hip hop is today is what migrated in my opinion.

From Jamaica and the research is out there.

You could go ahead and research it just like the research is out there where we could talk about what jive talking was Yes, it predates hip-hop by decades But that was a whole different style of music.

It wasn't hip-hop We talking about the actual development of the genre hip-hop the culture that America and black Americans say influences the world

And I'm saying it has a huge, a huge influence from Jamaican culture.

I'm not saying it doesn't have any other.

Inspiration it drew from, but an Jamaican immigrant migrated to New York.

and brought some of their culture introduced these long south system, extended the beats to now where you have b-boying and DJ and people dancing at the end of records now.

That's all I'm saying.

When we like to go into the separation.

So even in this conversation here, and you know, I'm not even going to say that that's.

Abstract was trying to separate.

I think he was just trying to make sure that.

You know, it is not it is not forgotten that Americans still had some sort of influence in hip hop.

Absolutely.

Because he said he drew from what was popular in America, the funk sound.

But the art of hip hop, the elements.

That's all I'm saying.

But the making of America All right, we get back into this Something else was being forged stripped of names languages and nations enslaved Africans built a new people out of the wreckage the spirituals The blues the jazz rock and roll hip-hop the black church language and humor a walk a way of surviving the whole planet now copies I Don't even want to get into the fashion

It's so much fashion as.

You know.

This is what the FBA foundational Black American movement is defending a distinct culture built by people who were here in chains who fought Jim Crow, who bled for civil rights that every immigrant of color since has benefited from.

Absolutely true.

100% true.

You can't take that away.

Folks that migrate here, whether they're black immigrants, Chinese immigrant, any immigrant that migrated here, they are standing and existing on the shoulders of the black Americans that was enslaved here and fought here and did amazing things to even get the freedoms that we get to enjoy today.

The inventions that everything that black Americans contributed to this country.

Absolutely.

It should not be forgotten.

It should not be just swept under the rug.

It should not be downplayed.

But I'm saying as a whole, our existence should not.

The conversation should not be dominated by separation.

OK.

That's all I'm saying.

The culture is real.

The culture is real.

It has receipts.

And when somebody from outside.

Gets rich performing it.

on screen, on records, and then it turns around and calls the people incompetent.

That's where the anger is at random, which is fine.

But we have to remember he didn't say black Americans.

He said America.

And I would...

I am saying I am willing to bet we agree.

We have all agreed.

We've had so many callers calling in and complaining about the work ethic of not just our community, but America as a whole right now.

People don't want to go to work.

They want to stay home.

They want to, oh, you know, I could, I was able to get my same amount of work done in less time.

It's like, all right.

Well.

Should you just get paid for the hours then that you he was what you said that you work.

What did you do for the other four hours?

I'm just asking questions.

Yeah, we're going to chop it up some more in this.

You got to go check out that hip hop show.

We did, man.

We did a whole deep dive into hip hop.

But that's the thing, man, we so focused on the separation.

So much so that it's hard for us to get together, man.

We so divided that it's seemingly impossible these days for us to get together.

Okay?

What else we got here?

So we got door number four And I promise we about to be done cuz tap in with jazz Tyler is up next The wedge so how So how did cousins become combatants 19

65, America's immigration laws changed and a new wave arrives.

African and Caribbean immigrants, often educated, often driven.

The system does what it always does.

It takes one groups, surviving, striving and uses it as a weapon against the other.

Why can't you be like them?

The model minority script, same one.

They ran with Asian immigrants against everybody.

in the schoolyards that got personal at... Come on now.

I told y'all, it's right there.

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This is somebody else researching.