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Excuse me, y'all.

Snuck a couple bites in between lunch break and grape lines.

No.

You gotta get a snack in when you can, but we had an amazing show, man.

We had a real good show, man.

Shout out to Shannon.

Shannon was cooking today, man.

She was cooking.

Shout out to all the family in the chat.

I think this was a record for our interaction in the chat.

What was it, Jack?

I don't know.

I think we've

had a couple more.

Maybe like, I think 130 is the

max.

Ah, OK, OK, OK.

It was

pretty good, though.

Yeah, definitely.

Pretty good.

Thank you for, once again, our listeners that called and, you know, shared their stories, was vulnerable with us and vulnerable with other members in the chat as well.

And the conversation stemmed from a call yesterday.

I stemmed from a call yesterday.

And.

And.

Just made me want to think about.

How we addressed it today.

But then even then, it made me want to get deeper into things on the grapevine.

Shouts out to everybody in the chat.

Let's go.

See what's going on in the chat.

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Not really a city girl said, it sounds like you're going to be extra warm out there chopping them trees down.

R. C. says.

Um, hypersexualization, everything starts in the mind.

Visuals lead to thoughts, thoughts lead to actions.

Actions lead to reactions repetitive behavior throughout societies He also says why we are to guard our minds against evil intrusive thoughts of any kind and My says is the other guy And we have a couple little changes at the grapevine says guard your mind against him

through some top thoughts and actions.

Robert says they posted on show some media.

Vivian King will be the new.

Yes, Vivian King will be in the two to four slot coming up, y'all.

So stay tuned for that.

I think sometime in October.

I may be of today, man.

They have cool, man.

Shouts out to I'll be of man.

Shouts out to I'll be of looking forward to the energy she will be bringing to the truth family.

New will be start.

Yep.

We'll be starting soon.

Ain't been chopping in a dress.

Casual wear have plenty of cousins just chatting and I'm being nosy.

But what up, y'all?

We want to have a extended conversation today.

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Hypersexualization.

It's actually a. Interesting.

Thought.

Our C. Our society is.

Earlier on the lunch break, I talked about watching the box and things like B. T. Uncut.

And it's interesting to see how.

You know, society has changed.

I remember a time in radio where a lot.

Of things was wasn't even allowed to be said on radio, much less how you edited it.

But over time.

As society has shifted, it seems.

It seemed that.

Society has gotten more comfortable with, you know, loose sexuality.

It's not as taboo as it once was.

Hypersexualizing of women and men in the music industry and films, social media.

Hypersexualization talked about went from the box to be tea uncut.

Yeah, I was a young boy.

I looked at it.

I waited up for me to uncut.

Yes, I did.

Ludacris.

Tip drill.

That's what tip drill drunk.

That's like BT on cut classic.

Hypersexualization.

It didn't just start there.

But it seemed like as like we got to today to present day.

To present day.

It's gotten a little bit more revealing outside.

OK.

So today on the grapevine, we're going to talk about a few things.

And maybe hypersexualization has something to do with it.

I'm not sure.

Maybe it does.

Let's have a conversation about it.

All right, four on four.

I'll be almost ready to give my phone number out on this radio.

833-212.

1017 is the number to dial 833212 1017 is the number to dial so on the show today y'all I Want to I want to talk about these We're not gonna talk about the the feds raising the right We gonna stay on we're gonna stay on

Par will stay on brand for today.

And we also do have an interview coming up at two thirty as well with Emilio Del Toro.

And.

Brother Nicholas X. They're going to be talking about flock cameras.

All right.

But I'm going to ask him some more questions, so I'm going to ask Brother Nicholas X about.

Some of this as well because he has a very interesting story.

I'm actually familiar with the brother story.

Shots out to the chat.

Nobody has respect for themselves or each other anymore.

R.C.

says to me, a person can think whether they will good or evil.

But once they act on it, game over.

So today.

listening to the conversations that was happening about, you know, the calling that called in and voice their opinion about how pedophiles should be handled and so forth.

Made me want to talk about, it took us down a lane of just talking about traumas, generational traumas, dealing with abuse.

How is this handed down?

All right.

And it made me want to get into this.

Question of like, you know, why don't.

People leave.

Why don't women leave?

People like to ask that question.

And I don't know if this is if that's a fair question.

Because if you know, I've shared my story with domestic violence and see him, my mom.

Be abused every day.

And I asked that question as a child.

Why won't, why don't you just leave, mom?

Why we got to deal with this?

So imagine as a child not being able to understand, why won't you remove us from danger?

Why do communities protect abusers?

Why do we do this?

Why do homies hold space for their partners and?

Instead of holding each other accountable We want to get into that We want to get into our men holding other men accountable enough.

I think we know the answer to it

But we gon' get into it.

Mark Chambers is outside.

Shout out to Mark.

Are men holding other men accountable enough?

I think we know the answer, but we gon' get into it.

Then I wanna talk about how are we building new good men?

As men, how are we building

the future men of the world.

All right, when we come back, we're going to get into this conversation, y'all.

It's going to be a slow burn.

We're going to take our time.

We're going to process.

We're going to have a good conversation.

We're going to really get into the weeds of it.

So don't go anywhere, y'all.

It's your boy Ray Nitty holding it down on the award winning one on one, seven of truth.

What up y'all welcome back to the award-winning one-on-one seven the truth live from the American family Insurance studios you are listening to one Oh one seven the truth It's a boy right needy holding it down Shots out to the chat a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 is the number to dial a 3 3 2 1 2 10 17 is the number to dial

Reginald said, we're going deep today, y'all.

Also said, family, get those vehicles, weatherized and furnaces tuned up now.

Y'all know what's next.

You absolutely right.

I need to get my furnace tuned up.

I got a holler at the homey, man.

Get the furnace tuned up.

I need winter tires.

I get some winter tires on the joint.

The trap is trapper.

I can see the thread on the tires.

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So first segment today before our interview gets here, we wanna walk this path of why don't women leave?

Why do communities protect abusers?

A topic we've hit on somewhat some before on the lunch break.

Okay We talked about why is leaving so much more harder than it sounds I was giving y'all story about my personal life If you know I was born and raised in st.

Thomas the US Virgin Islands moved here in 1998 Because one morning I woke up and saw my father had a knife to my mama's throat

14 years old.

After years of hearing the violence, hearing the fights, hearing them fight, hearing them argue, hearing my mom's cry, hearing fists hitting flesh.

One morning.

I didn't I didn't hear crying this morning.

I didn't hear I heard a loud thud and I got up.

And I saw my dad had my mom in the headlock and a knife through her throat.

And that was her breaking point.

That was that was her breaking point when she finally was like, you know what, this is enough.

She packed me and my little sister up in a garbage bag.

Whatever clothes we could all fit in one garbage bag.

We took a sleep.

A sea plane.

From.

St.

Thomas to St.

Croix, where we spent the night in St.

Croix.

And a family member got us three tickets to Milwaukee.

And that's how I ended up in Milwaukee.

You never know.

What will be the reason why somebody finally says, you know what?

This is enough.

I am going to go ahead and leave.

All right.

Leaving is statistically the most dangerous moment in an abusive relationship.

All right.

Not the safest.

More than 70 percent of the domestic violence murders happen after.

The victim has already left.

According to the national network to end domestic violence, meaning survivors are more likely to be killed in the weeks after leaving.

Then at any other point.

The level of fear.

Let me let me describe this to you on the level of fear.

OK.

When we finally left.

When we finally left the level of fear that I had as a child, just worrying and being nervous about is he going to find.

And.

I've heard my dad tell me he loves me.

I didn't tell my mama.

Heard him tell my mama.

I love you.

And that's what the image of love that I saw.

And I was like, you know what, that's.

It didn't feel like that's what love should look like.

Love shouldn't feel so fearful.

Love shouldn't feel so fearful as a child.

When you finally leave, you think you should feel the safest.

But you still in St.

Croix, you don't know.

You just like you couldn't sleep.

Didn't feel.

All the way.

Over it.

Until we landed in Milwaukee and even then it was still, you know.

Still difficult.

Got beat every day for.

See my mama go through it every day.

Financial control.

Is a primary mechanism abuses frequently control all household money, leaving survivors without the resources, credit history or job experience needed to support themselves or their kids independently.

Let's go talk to Al real quick on the line.

Al, how you doing?

I'm doing wonderful and that's why I want to always have her independence, but see a lot of times

when the men beat on those women like that, that's because the family ain't came together and beat his ass out of his socks and his drawers and go outside his head with a 2x4 and a baseball bat and put him in a ICU.

Because men who beat on women don't fight other men.

So what y'all gonna have to do is beat him out of his socks and drawers and you gonna have to beat him, worse than a dog.

Because that's the only thing they understand and please stop worrying about.

him with mental health because he didn't care about mental health when he gave you a lazy eye.

So you continue to go outside his head and if you're smart and you know he's coming in drunk, put the cat's eye and still kill it on the stove, hit it, get it hot, hit yourself in the face with it.

And then you rush that 304 with everything you've got.

And when you get them down, you continue to beat them.

But bruise yourself first, okay?

But a man who hit on a woman won't fight another man.

Y'all got to come together and beat his ass.

Worse than a dog.

Beat him out of his socks and his drawers.

That's the only way he's online.

Y'all say violence is not the answer.

But that violence was his answer when he went outside somebody else's head.

But he usually stopped when them kids get teenagers.

Because when he get old, he on them letter cane patches and a masculine shot.

and he got water in his knee.

Drag about the south and beat his ass.

Have yourself a good day, by the way.

Bye bye.

Man.

I hear Al in that, right?

We should get together.

We should roll some heads.

But what if it's like just give me all my situation?

I'm 13.

My little sisters.

One two My older siblings are off to college I Tried to intervene and When you when when I intervened the beatings got worse Because I wasn't stronger I wasn't faster

I don't know.

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Trauma bonding, y'all, a real documented psychological pattern formed through repeated cycles of abuse followed by affection.

Makes the relationship itself confusing to leave, not just logistically hard.

Survivors often leave and return.

multiple times before permanently escaping, which is a normal predictable part of the pattern.

Not a sign someone isn't serious about leaving.

I'm just I'm just sharing my real life experience with you and adding a little data to it.

Black survivors specifically.

Layered various compound, the general ones, mistrust of law enforcement, rooted in real history, fear of being criminalized or arrested themselves when they call for help, and fear their partner becomes another statistic in a system already stacked against black men.

These are a lot of the things.

Why do communities protect abuses?

That's the harder question, right?

Why do communities protect abuses?

I always asked this question to myself as a little kid.

I remember being out in public And you know popsick getting one of them modes You know popsick getting one of them modes

in public, physical altercation, fights, black eyes, bloody lips.

I'm in the backseat.

A community normalize, oh, that's just so-and-so, and he yelling again into a little thing.

Ain't nothing serious.

I always wonder why nobody helped this woman and her little kid.

I always ask that question.

And it sat with me.

And I think that's why I have this urge to always want to jump in and help people when I see.

Somebody being mistreated or done wrong or violated.

Why do communities protect abusers?

All right.

And Milwaukee Courier Op Ed published just months ago, named this directly, the protection of men, black men, particularly over truth and the blind eye.

We intentionally turn toward it if they are men of community value, the double standard of accountability in the black community.

Don't go anywhere, y'all.

When we come back, we're going, we're going.

Take a little break from this conversation and get into our interview.

We got Emilio in the building and Brother Nicholas in the building.

And we're going to ask him a couple of questions about this as well.

But we want to bring some education to what's been going on with the flock camera.

So don't go anywhere.

Y'all right here on the award winning one on one, seven the truth.

What up y'all welcome back welcome back to the award-winning 101 7 the truth we have an amazing Conversations today y'all it's your boy Ray nitty holding it down brother Z got me on the production and sound Man, it's Thursday.

Happy Thursday.

Happy Thursday y'all Thursday man Interview today we have Nicholas X and Emilio Del Torre.

Yep.

All right

Talking about flock what the flock is going on.

Yeah, the situation is all flocked

up.

So Before we get into it, please both of you introduce yourselves.

I know you all I've met you brother a couple times now with brother David Muhammad knowing you for years brother Emilia But please tell our listeners about yourself.

Sure.

Well I'm the executive director of the Milwaukee Turner's a Turner Hall where the oldest civic society in the city if not the state

We do community wellness.

We help to program 16 parks for free with yoga and Zumba.

We do a lot of advocacy and policy and education.

And that's in one of the roles that we are here today.

Encouraging people to come to the Fire and Police Commission tonight at 5.30 p.m.

Brother

X. So my name is Nicholas X. Dougie.

I'm the front mass incarceration

coordinator

over at the Milwaukee Turner sats who I'm here today as.

We do a lot of monitoring the legal and political landscape, looking for those issues that affect Milwaukee the most.

As you know, we have the area code, the famous area code, 53206.

It's the most overpoliced area code in the country.

And so with that being said, there's no place that's in more need of confronting mass incarceration than Milwaukee.

We

have...

extreme

marginalization as actually a

sociologist referred to it

as advanced

marginalization.

So with that being said,

that's kind of what I do right now.

We've been

focusing on

overpolicing and an aspect of overpolicing is obviously

flock

cameras,

mass

surveillance is an aspect of overpolicing.

I was just going to ask that.

So you say overpolicing and mass surveillance.

So tell us about flock.

I think.

Most people would have a good idea of it, but I don't think people really get into the technology of what flock is really doing.

So tell educate folks on what a flock

is.

The definition is evolving.

So the more that people find out, the more we're finding out that flock cameras are a lot more than just automated license plate readers.

So they're more commonly known just to read license plate readers, but there was an article that came out yesterday.

and wired and it shows that they're also taking pictures of people, they're taking pictures of bicycles, they're taking pictures of, you know, not just vehicles but multiple angles of the vehicle and they're keeping this in a database and Emilio can pitch in

if I'm missing anything.

Oh

yeah,

no.

This is good.

I think people confuse Flock with traditional video cameras that are around.

This is a new company, 2017.

It's a very aggressive company.

It takes criticism poorly so their CEO Grant Langley said anybody criticizing flock is a domestic terrorist And this is part of this integrated mass surveillance network, which is capturing all the things that brother Mustafa talked about and Rolling it into databases where like the sheriff from Racine County just found out and use this information to cancel his contract Packaging and selling this information and trading this information all across the board

So we were on Capitol Drive earlier this morning.

There's there's lock cameras up and down Capitol.

So it creates a pattern of your life.

You know, when Ray leaves his house, they know he's here.

They know he goes there.

They see his vehicle.

They can see who's in his vehicle.

And that stuff gets integrated with like social media crawlers and things that ping your cell phone.

We don't need to live in an open air prison.

We don't need warrantless mass surveillance.

If they have a suspect they're looking for, get a warrant and do it that way.

And that article we was just mentioning.

they

have commercial

data.

So these cameras can collect commercial data.

So that lets us know that the surveillance is much deeper than what you think.

So this thing called surveillance

capitalism.

And surveillance capitalism is, you know, all these apps that you have on your phone, they collect data on you, right?

They collect information so that they can pinpoint you for advertisements, right?

So, and if your location is on where you're driving, you start to see, you know,

as you're driving past, businesses want to know that information so that they know who to advertise to.

They want to know what you're looking at, right?

So they can see your interest, you know, they can see your likes, they can see all that stuff.

If they're buying,

I don't know if

they're buying

it or

I don't know if they have, I don't know how they have access to it, but I do know that the article said that they're collecting commercial data.

So this

may be even your buying habits.

I know there was an article.

And it's going to affect your insurance, too.

So there are folks who have

Tried to collect on claims where they're hitting the car and then the insurance companies denied it saying that they were Misidentified that their car was pinged in other places even though it was totaled and that that leaps right into that same story.

I mean police officers in No Park, California said they were inaccurate 40% of the time Why are we investing in something that at best has a 60% rate of accuracy?

So I was just going to ask you this question, right?

Y'all hit on a lot of things so let me uh, let me let me throw it in reverse real quick.

You said the CEO

Yep, Garrett Langley

said anybody against flock is Views should be viewed as domestic terrorists.

Yeah, so let me ask you this question So what should the officers be viewed as that use flock to stalk women?

Oh

Well,

that's up to the court, isn't it?

I mean, I know what I

think about them.

And we've had multiple MPD officers, Josue Ayala, 179 times.

179 times he

used

flock to stalk his love interest.

And then the internal affairs.

The guy who

filed a complaint.

I'll get to him in a second, too.

The guy who was in charge of investigating Josue Ayala was also, Detective Chapman, was also using it to stalk women.

And then it was weaponized in the way you're bringing up the the young veteran in Walker show and Napoleon Jones filed a complaint against the deputy and they

weaponized flock on him a hundred times and I think it's him I think it's imperative to mention that because they keep saying guardrails They keep saying oh, we're gonna put guardrails on it But you can't have guardrails because you can't trust flock as a company You know because they lie to city officials.

They like they've lied to city councils They lied to a city council in Oshkosh

over heatmaps, so you can't trust the

company itself.

Yeah, I was just gonna say, tell us about some of the... Let's educate the people on all of these things that folks are lying about and tell them what the heatmap is and what it's really used for.

But I wanted to complete

that

thought, though.

And we just got out of a battle over facial recognition technology, right?

And they misled the public when it came to facial recognition technology.

They were not being transparent about using facial recognition technology.

They were using it without a policy.

They're

using it unregulated for years and nobody knew about it.

So if we can't trust both the police and we can't trust Block all together.

then how can we trust them to put guardrails and put regulations?

But a heat map, so I actually looked up a heat map because I didn't know what that was either.

And basically, it shows your driving patterns.

So it's a map, like a physical map that they can produce on a computer screen, and it has your driving patterns everywhere you've been.

Where you worship, where you shop, who you visit in, when you visit them, your regular routes to go to and from

work.

How many cameras total is it in the city?

Where are they?

I know it's a website that kind of shows you, but...

Yeah, that's a great question, because it's complicated.

The Milwaukee Police Department has about 39 flock cameras now, and another 80 or so automatic license plate readers mounted on cars.

Then you got Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office has theirs.

And then there's probably another 300 within 10 miles of where we're sitting right now.

Because all of these municipalities get the West Alice, Glendale, Shorewood, and they all can communicate

with one

another.

And share a share.

Yep, share, share, share.

Virginia, no Syracuse, New York, for example, they had agreed that there would be no sharing.

And then they found out after the first year of having a flock that they were accessed by ICE and immigration agents 2000 times in one year, regardless of what they agreed to.

And so they took that down.

And then the company, as we've established that they lie.

And so for a long time, there was a national lookup tool.

I don't remember.

I don't know if that's the exact name, but there was a national lookup tool.

And most agencies that were using flock or police agencies that were using flock were not aware of it.

And so you could just go and you could look up what's happening nationally.

All this data was available nationally, but they weren't transparent that the data was available nationally.

Also, they put guardrails.

in Milwaukee, but they were still sharing it with other agencies.

Well, there are other police forces in or a sheriff that have 287G agreements, which means that they're working with ICE.

So with that being said, if this data gets to a department or some type of agency that has an agreement like that, how do we know that data isn't being shared with the federal government?

So there's no- We

can

assume it is.

Yeah.

And so in not even just that, you can't trust Flock itself once again.

I can't stress that point enough.

Also, you know, this is a military style of surveillance.

So I think that people need to, you know, view it as such because a lot of these technologies are used on battlefields.

They're used on battlefields before they even make it.

back to the domestic population.

Hence the term domestic terrorists.

It's almost as if they're viewing the citizens or Milwaukee residents as enemy combatants.

With that being said, I think it's sad that we gotta have this conversation.

I think it's sad that we gotta sit over here and talk when certain aspects of leadership, they know all this and this decision should be really easy.

The decision to get rid of, rid of flock should be really easy.

You got precedent all over the country.

You have precedent nationwide.

I mean, all over the nation.

What are we up to?

Twenty five municipalities

have dropped flock in Wisconsin recently.

Twenty five.

Yeah.

Well, okay.

We got two minutes.

You said.

Okay.

Uh, I almost took us to break.

Um, 20, 25 municipalities, right?

Yep.

Got rid of flock.

in Wisconsin.

I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong, educate me if I'm misguided, please.

I feel like I've heard way more cases of flock being misused, mismanaged, versus like, oh, we found these missing kids.

We found this.

person that committed this murder.

I haven't heard any success stories of how flock has helped solve any crime.

Am I wrong for

a... What's gonna make you lose your mind is they also don't have any data to show that it's effective in clearing crimes.

Nope.

It doesn't

exist.

And when they bring it up...

they'll say oh we used flock in this case but they also have eyewitness testimony they knew where the sky was used as credit card like there are a lot of things in addition to the 350 or 60 flock cameras i mentioned within 10 miles of here

They have all these other cameras that are flocked that they can use that

this is an

unnecessary cell phone towers ping signal.

You remember we knew each other when they were secretly using the stingray devices to ping cell phones and the BBC broke this open.

So international news showed how the Milwaukee Police Department had used over 400 times this technology to track our cell phones.

And even the people in charge of monitoring didn't know this.

Of course that's happening again.

And then when they use this this kind of surveillance.

You know, you can show that there's no empathy, right, for non-white peoples in this country because if we go look into the origin of policing, right, we find that the origin of policing is in slave catching, right?

But the premise of slave catching is surveillance.

You're monitoring the movement of people.

And when you go look at the same thing with our immigrant family, it's the same thing.

When you go look into the laws and the origin of immigration laws, you're gonna find it's eugenics.

So with that being said, this type of surveillance being used on already marginalized population

just

shows that there's a lack of care for

these communities.

All right, when we come back, y'all, we will get more into this conversation with brother Emilio and brother Nicholas when we get back right here on the award winning one on one, seven of truth.

What the flock is going on?

What up y'all welcome back to the award winning 1017 the truth live from the American Insurance studio American family insurance studios that is Chiboy Ray nitty holding it down Brother Z got us on the production and sound we got brother Emilio and brother Nicholas X in the building We're talking about flock cameras y'all we was just having a

Very interesting conversation off-air, but before we get into that conversation, please tell the people again about the Meeting oh, yeah, that is happening

today is game day today today today 5 30 p.m.

I invite you to come with your friends and family to City Hall room 301 be where the Fire and Police Commission is meeting there's gonna be a presentation on flock

Some component of flock by the police department and there's an opportunity for the public to weigh in and just like we did two weeks ago We're about 85 people showed up every single person from all these communities was against flock and now's another chance to do that and Tell the mayor and tell the fire and police commission that we need to stop contracting with flock and stop this this warrantless mass surveillance on our residents

So our contract is up top of the year

Yep.

Right.

And I'm assuming we are just we are OK with like, all right, we got three months.

We'll ride this three months out.

But come January, we don't want this contract renewed.

And we're paying for this, right?

Oh,

yeah.

Oh,

yeah.

At least

$239,000.

Damn.

And the way they do that.

And I'm not even including labor.

I'm not even including the cost of the officers that have to monitor this.

I'm not talking about the emotional labor of people like Amber Newell who has

stopped at

gunpoint with the babies in the car.

I'm just talking about the cost of the equipment and the subscription price.

So

that was just physical financial costs.

There is a people cost as well that our communities pay the ultimate price on.

Go ahead,

Brad.

I was going to say that a lot of people

don't know

that there's a psychological

cause.

You know, people become hyper-vigilant.

People have anxiety.

People have fear when they know that they're being monitored constantly.

People adjust their behavior to mass surveillance because if you know you're being watched by the government, you may not feel comfortable speaking out, right?

So there's

a

potential first amendment freedom of expression violation going on here because...

In the end of the day, if you don't feel comfortable speaking, then that's suppressing your freedom of expression.

Man, talk about the psychological cost, the people cost.

You brought up the sister that got pulled over on the highway, which wasn't her first time.

No,

twice she got jackpotted because the police neglected to

Delete the license plate that was entered incorrectly that was wanted in some crime So she got pulled over in Milwaukee and then she got pulled over at gunpoint on the highway in Brookfield with her three kids in the back of the car Traumatizing lost a job Terrifying pause

I'm gonna ask questions.

Yeah, I'm just a rapper.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, that's what they labeled me when I ran for office I was just a rapper.

You are a Renaissance.

So we need a rapper We um, thank you, but we just said

There's not supposed to be no sharing of data and information.

I wonder if this is gonna come up with this come up Is this something like I could just openly ask at the meantime.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, so like Brookfield she got pulled over in Milwaukee and also pulled over by Brookfield, right?

We're not supposed to be sharing.

How did Brookfield?

Understand or get information that she was also on this flock system last

239 thousand dollar question.

So somebody shared it.

Yeah, yeah

That sounds like a breach of contract.

It

sounds like a breach of

promise to

the people.

I mean, if they're telling us they're not sharing it, and then here they are sharing it, what is that?

They admitted to sharing it.

Oh, yeah.

And then what did they say?

It's Milwaukee's fault because they didn't take...

The license plate out of the system, prop.

That we shared and used to draw weapons on this lady and her kids.

Yeah, and that's, and like Nicholas was saying before, that's a county with a 287G agreement.

So does that mean they're also sharing information regarding ICE that the Waukesha agents just say I need some plates run for me and they just send it over to them?

What does that do?

We have an out of control federal government.

And we must mention what happened to the brother.

and

Walker Shaw.

He

filed a complaint against the police and then they started looking up his flock data.

And then he found out that he was being stalked by the police and then he filed a suit, you know,

so what I'm saying is- 100 times they ran his

data.

This is being used

in a

retaliatory manner.

And it's just, I just don't, and that's why I said earlier, I just don't understand why this is, why we're even talking about this.

I feel like,

You know, it's common.

They gotta get rid of it.

It's a

no-brainer.

You shouldn't even have to think about this.

It's just

too

much wrong with this technology.

So, we talked about, we hear way more abuse of the system versus successes of the system.

Even so much so, they lied about the rates of how successful this system is, right?

Why I feel like I know the answer Why I'm gonna just ask it for our listeners Why would our leaders, you know Ask it a little way more fair way.

How real of a chance is it that our leaders renew this contract here?

You know, I say this a lot but democracy is like a muscle if you don't

use it at atrophies.

If people don't show up and say this is wrong,

then they're

going to get away with what they think they can get away with.

We've been packing that room.

Lots of different groups.

Block has been showing up.

ACLU has been showing up.

All sorts of pastors and ministers, League of Women Voters, retired folks, folks come after working hard all day long when they could be with their families and say, we need this out of our city.

And that's what we have to do because democracy is messy.

And so if folks show up again today, and they put, if they call their alderman, their older person, if they call the mayor, then there's a chance that it'll happen.

And if we just roll over and say that somebody else's problem, then they're gonna keep doing it.

Share the information for the meeting again today, please.

Yup, 5.30 p.m.

in City Hall, room 301B.

And you get up to five minutes to provide a testimony if you want, or you can just show up and sit there and learn about the process.

Sit there in solidarity with other people.

Last time they opened an overflow room because we had so many folks.

There's a lot of folks from around the city that you get to meet and talk with and hear why they care.

And they're all different reasons.

If you can't make it physically,

you can also attend virtually.

So

that's

an

option.

And you can provide

a

public comment virtually.

There are people who do

that.

Oh,

you can't comment.

Yeah.

But you should physically be there.

No, for sure.

Physically be there if you can

be.

But

if

there's, for any reason, you can't make it, you

can attend virtually

and you can give public comment.

And that's on the city's website.

So

if you

look up Fire and Police Commission, today's date.

I am surprised they would even allow citizens that right to virtually complain.

I would feel like that would be a guardrail.

It's

probably one of the very few civil silver linings from COVID that they expanded all this virtual

stuff.

Also, if you can't make it, you can watch it live on like the city channel.

You can watch it live on the city.

Yeah, you can

watch it live

on channel 25.

It's another thing I want to say.

I can't think of it right now, though.

It'll come back.

It's important for folks to win because you can't assume your elected officials know you care about this.

And if they're hearing, remember, Flock has high powered lobbyists, the former lobbyists from Twitter and YouTube is one of their lobbyists.

They have

Retired Congress people these BRG, which is the third most affluent lobbying firm

in the

country if not the planet like they made a whole handbook that they share with the police called how to convince city councils To implement flock

and they're not even denying that it's mass surveillance.

They said don't deny mass surveillance

like

you they know they're not gonna win that argument They have a chapter called controlling the narrative.

Hmm.

I got um, I know we only got a few

Seconds here, I don't know how much time you all got before we got to go to break.

I do got more questions that I want to get to because there's other dangers that I feel like people should be aware of that we're not considering as like how easy it is to get these flat cameras down and hack into them.

So when we come back, y'all, hopefully we can keep you all for maybe one more segment right here on the award winning one on one, seven of truth.

Welcome back to

the award winning one-on-one seven of truth Live from the American family insurance studios.

It's your boy Ray nitty holding it down brother Z got us in the production and sound brother Emilio brother Nicholas man talking to us about something very very important.

We are being watched y'all over surveillance heavily policed

We got a few more things I want to talk to before we gotta let these brothers go.

They got a lot of work to do tonight.

First of all, thank y'all for the work that y'all are doing in informing our community.

All of our community, our black community, our Latino community, our immigrant community, because we have a huge immigrant population that actually listen to this show.

And as a son of an immigrant and immigrant parents, I thank you all for the work that you all are doing.

Real quick, I know we got to get you all out of here.

I want to talk about the other hidden dangers that isn't really being talked about, right?

The hackers, people hacking into the system and being able to access some of this information as well.

Let's talk about that real quick.

The

article that I just mentioned on Wired, all of that information was the result of somebody hacking into the system.

And then the hackers say, it's pretty easy.

It's not very hard to get into it.

They

put 1.6 million photos, 1.6 million images from 50,000 vehicles in 21 days, and it's just sitting on a stick of you to copy.

That's crazy.

That's incredible.

And some, depending on the camera, some of them were pulling in video feeds.

So there was an engineer and a musician named Ben Jordan who showed how it was unencrypted, he could tap into it, and he was able to capture video footage of folks in a market in Atlanta.

He used commercially available facial recognition technology to identify the people in video, see that they traveled to Atlanta to go to church.

They were having an argument.

that one of them, they were stressed out over finances because he was able to find their financial information online real quick and that's where they were arguing probably.

And that's, those are all flock cameras.

That's way too much information.

You can't consider an entire population of a city sus.

And we've

been hearing the police department say, oh, it's a tool that helps them fight crime and so forth.

We went through all the stats saying, and it's interesting because

I think the the stat is more than 51% of Milwaukee homicides go unsolved

or something like

that.

So we see that these cameras aren't being used to actually solve crimes.

We said that we haven't seen any evidence that shows or support that, right?

So police have many tools at their disposal to prevent and solve crimes.

You spoke about it earlier.

and how much this isn't a necessary overkill, right?

Last budget, last police budget, our budget is roughly about a billion dollars.

$310 million, if I'm not mistaken, went to police last year.

More than a quarter of our budget went to police last year.

Do we know how much it's going to with this year?

I'm

pretty sure they're asking for $345 million.

So it's the largest single thing in our city budget.

And if you believe, like I do, that a budget is a moral document, then we're saying the most important thing Milwaukee believes in is that we have to protect ourselves from ourselves and discipline ourselves with this kind of technology and guys with guns.

And I think it's important to mention that when,

like we

said, it's a moral document.

You know, your money shows where your priorities are.

And this is a...

majority, non-white city.

And so we know that there is historical legacies that come from slavery, that come from convict leasing, that

come from Jim

Crow, right?

And

we still have not got over.

So there's a presumption, right, of guilt when it comes to black people.

And

as a matter of

fact, it was codified in law at one point.

So with that being said, imagine you got all this surveillance technology with a presumption of guilt when you're supposed to be

presumed to

be innocent.

of black faces,

a presumption

of

guilt.

And it's been like that for the last 300-something years.

Man, we got some comments in the chat.

Reginald said, it's OK to tell the powers there be to flock off and go flock themselves into a frenzy.

It doesn't seem like the community is in support of it in any way, shape, or form.

Please tell the folks again about the meeting.

Where they could come the time yeah, and you said you had an email or something you all wanted

oh, yeah if you check out Milwaukee Turner social media You'll see two yellow graphics which let you know the details in case you can't write it down You don't remember it and they'll give you a little call script So if you want to call your elected official or write on the letter we gave you a sample one there to take a look at It's Milwaukee turners org or you just follow us on Instagram or Facebook, but tonight tonight's game day

5 30 p.m.

City Hall room 301 B. I hope to see

you there 5 30 I'm definitely going to try and make it there I'm already downtown so it should just be a quick you know skip over um anything that you feel folks should know before you all get up out of here any outcomes any goals that you would like to see from today's meeting

yeah yeah I think that we need to

Act on the principle that a better world is possible and we have to we have to Unify together we have to show up and fight together and we also have to break bread and have fun together.

We do with neither Nicholas nor I want to be doing this We have so many of the great programs where we're addressing violence and we're dealing with overdoses and we're helping folks do martial arts and yoga and Zumba

This is not something we should be wasting our time on.

We should be building the beloved community and the city should not be wasting their time and resources on this sort of traumatizing mass surveillance.

What

about you, Brother Nick?

I mean, I think he kind of like hit it on the head.

I just think that we have to, you know, challenge unjust systems.

And I think that if we challenge unjust systems, we can change those unjust systems.

We've been doing it over at the Turners, but I think that everybody needs to, we can't just accept what is.

We have

to change what is.

We have to change reality.

And if the reality isn't good, we gotta make it good.

And the only way it's gonna happen is if we do it.

We can talk,

we can talk, we

can complain, but I would rather do something and complain.

That

makes any sense.

No, it makes a lot of sense.

Makes a lot of sense.

I always say,

I get very frustrated with people who criticize and don't bring solutions to the table.

And knowing you, brothers, bro, I've been watching you work for a long time.

You feel me?

I don't even think you remember when we first met.

Yeah, I

remember you was doing, I believe it was an apartment development or something like

that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And brother David Mohammed is who actually put, he's like, man, just look out for this brother, man.

Pay attention to what he's doing.

So it's amazing to see

what you have grown into, brother.

Your story

that

you shared that day with me, it always resonated with me, and I continuously saw you out in the community.

I continuously saw you putting people first, you know what I'm saying?

So it's amazing to see your growth, brother.

So I just wanted to share that with you.

You never know when you run into somebody again, so I want to make sure I share that with

you.

All the glory, for me, all the glory is to God.

I don't want to be honest with you.

What wouldn't be doing none of this?

if it wasn't for God.

So I just know, like my whole thing is to really try to serve the people the best way I can.

I ain't no holy human or I ain't perfect or nothing like that.

But you know, I'm gonna try to make society as perfect as possible.

You know, I just know that what we're witnessing is large scale societal issues.

And I know that we have to do something.

I hope that maybe that I can inspire other people to do it.

Cause like, you know, we spoke, I've been to

State prison, federal prison.

I was involved in the streets.

I literally have been homeless.

I got shot four times.

You name it, I've been through it.

And look what I'm doing now.

You know what I'm saying?

I

was a point in time when I was literally illiterate.

I couldn't read a book.

I went to jail to learn how to read.

I went to jail to graduate high school.

I wouldn't even have had a high school diploma had that not happened.

So what I'm saying is,

Regardless of your circumstances, you can change it.

And regardless of what happens to you, you can rise up from the mud.

And that's what I want people to do.

It's a lot of people in this city right now that are experiencing hopelessness, right?

And that's why, you mentioned earlier, you said, they called me a rapper.

They called Zora and Mom not me a rapper, right?

But I know some reliable people who've been to New York recently.

And they told me that New York has a whole new

uh energy in the air because now they have a government that's or a mayor that's defending the people and they have a person that's delivering he's actually he's not just talking he not just he ran a campaign right but

he

delivered on his campaign we're seeing it every day

and it's

giving people hope and so like i said you know like you said that he's a rapper well the rapper in new york is actually delivering so i think maybe we need more rappers to run for office because rappers are connected to the people so i just think that in the end of the day

the people who are disconnected from the problem, I mean, I don't have an issue with them running for office, but I do think more people who are connected to the problem and the people who need to run for office don't be willing to run for office

because we're disgusted with politics.

But

in the end of the day, you know what I'm saying?

We're not gonna change this demonstration if we keep on having that type of mentality.

In the black community, we have this thing called learned helplessness.

And that's because we suffered under slavery.

We suffered under Jim Crow.

We suffered under convict leasing.

Now we're suffering under mass incarceration and hyper segregation and advanced marginality, right?

But that don't mean that we can't rise above those circumstances and make real change and make society better for our property, for our children.

And that's how we gotta be thinking.