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We're talking about the young person, the person that was killed down in Madison, Wisconsin yesterday by at the hands of Madison police.
I'm calling it a murder because that's what it was.
I wouldn't call it that.
And I'm not the type of person to just jump out there, but from multiple camera angles, from talking to other law enforcement individuals.
If they called it a murder, if it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, then it's murder in the duck.
It's a murder.
I was just reading, I was just reading Martin Luther King's last speech.
Not too long ago and I pulled the lyrics up, so I'm going to speech up.
And whether or not you like King or not, you know, he was all about economic empowerment and cutting the water off before it hits the faucet.
That's what he was talking about.
We know that.
We know that.
What you saw during the protest was just that was just the surface level of that man.
He said, on his vision, on his call for justice, he said, the masses of people are rising up, whether, wherever they are assembled today, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, Accra, Ghana, New York City, Atlanta, Georgia, Jackson, Mississippi, or Memphis, Tennessee, or Madison, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
The cry is always the same.
We want to be free.
And the reason that I'm happy to live in this period is that we've been forced to point where we are going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history.
But the demands didn't force them to do it.
Survival demands that we grapple with them.
Men for years now have been talking about war and peace.
But now no longer can they just talk about it is no longer the choice between violence and non violence in this world It's non violence or non existence.
That's where we are today And he says now I'm just happy that God has allowed me to live in this period to see what is unfolding I can remember when Black people were just going around as Rafa said so often scratching where they didn't itch and laugh and where they were not tickled But that day is all over
And he said his, this is last words before he was killed the next day.
I've seen the promise land.
I may not get there with you, but I want you to know tonight that we as a people will not get, we'll get to the promise land and, and so I'm happy tonight.
I'm not worried about anything.
I'm not fear any man.
My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
I'm gonna tell y'all man, like this is, this is real.
This is absolutely serious.
This is absolutely serious.
Like we are, we are in a, in a state of having our backs against the wall.
For example.
I've been pulled over more times than I can count.
And I need Milwaukee to sit with this, like more times I can count.
I remember being pulled over.
I've been pulled over bad.
And luckily, luckily I had my daughter in the back seat.
Luckily, because I knew, I knew the cop was on some mess.
I knew it.
When he walked up, he had his hand on the gun and luckily.
He didn't see my daughter until he, until I rolled down the window and she woke up and started crying.
And that's when his whole demeanor changed.
We've all had these, a lot of us has had these confrontations or conflicts or conversations.
So for me, every single time those lights come on behind me, some part of my brain just starts.
running the calculation.
Hands where, you know, they can see them.
Voice gotta be real calm.
Your voice gotta be calm.
Don't reach for anything too fast.
Don't make any sudden move.
Somewhere underneath all that.
That real question.
Am I gonna make it home tonight?
Am I gonna make it home tonight?
I don't think that's like paranoia or me just going, you know.
Ham in my mind is no.
It's I think it's trained.
That's trained inherited.
Awareness passed down like a survival manual that none of us asked to receive.
Dr. Claude Anderson said it for said it straight up for plainly for decades.
He said black people are constantly asked to perform.
Perfect compliance.
Perfect calm.
Perfect non threat as the price of simply being left alive.
While other groups are extended the presumption, but other groups are extended the presumption of innocence automatically.
No, there's no performative performance required at all.
There's no performance.
They're already considered non aggressive So there doesn't there needs to be no contact Other groups are left alone and let's do the actual math Because I don't I just don't want you to just like feel this I Want I want to prove it Track national data on police shootings consistently shows black Americans
are killed by police at roughly two to three times the rate of white Americans.
Relatively speaking.
To our share of the population.
And that's not a feeling.
That's a number and it's tracked across years, across mad databases, across.
administrations of every party you can think of liberal, conservative, red, blue, green, Democrat, Republican, you know, all of it.
You know, order, order between like past order people, all of that.
All of that.
Can't make this up it Yeah, we just got heard we just got word there's a press conference about the shooting I think we should go to that right now.
Let's talk about this press conference
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This is an incredibly difficult moment for the Madison community, and I understand the very strong emotions that people are feeling.
I am feeling them too.
As a city, as a community, as a society, we have to do better.
I want to be clear.
It does not matter who you are,
or what your past is, you should not lose your life as a result of an encounter with law enforcement.
That should not happen.
Like many in our community today, I have a lot of questions and concerns about what happened yesterday.
What decisions were made by officers that led to escalation instead of de-escalation?
What different choices could have been made to prevent harm?
What needs to change in police policy or training or anything else to prevent more deaths?
This officer involved shooting must be rigorously investigated, and it will be.
The process has already started with the Department of Criminal Investigation, but that's just the first step.
The DA will play a role, as will the Independent Monitor and the Police Civilian Oversight Board.
Our community deserves full transparency and accountability.
It's really understandable that people want answers right now.
I want them to.
But the honest truth is that good investigations take time.
We have to let the investigation play out, but believe me, anything that we can do on the city side to hasten that, we will.
And beyond the formal investigation, I think there are questions that have to be answered.
The days and weeks ahead, the Common Council and myself as representatives of the community will do our best to get and share information and to create spaces to have the conversations that need to be had.
I'm going to let Council President Madison share more details about community listening sessions, but I also want to mention that there is a vigil tonight
that's planned that I encourage people to attend if they feel so motivated.
I also want to emphasize that the safety of the community is paramount right now.
People have every right to peacefully protest and I urge people to do that safely and to take care of themselves in the process.
The city is working to help facilitate this.
I'll close with this.
Dr. Anthony of the Urban League said earlier today in their statement that public safety must truly include everyone.
I quote that statement, a just community must protect residents from violence and also protect them from unnecessary harm by the very systems entrusted with their safety.
Public safety cannot be measured only by enforcement.
It must also be measured by dignity, restraint, accountability, fairness,
and the preservation of life."
Madison should be a just community.
We can be a just community.
But we have work to do to truly be a just community.
I'll hand the podium to Council President Sabrina Madison.
You want to hear what that lady's saying?
Randall, Randall can be Tyrell.
I can go on and on and on and on.
But Cory could have been my brother because my brother is homeless.
He often rides a bike when we meet up by the by the beacon and Cory could have been a Charles.
But speaking of Cory specifically
Corey has a family who loves him.
I believe Corey has a child.
Corey is a human being.
Corey came from a mother, a mother who gave birth to him.
Most of us likely came through into the world through a traditional birth likely.
And so you imagine when you take this child home, you have all of these hopes for your kid.
You hope they grow up to be astronauts, presidents, entrepreneurs, small business owners, community leaders.
You have all of these hopes for your kids.
And as your kids mature, you know, you begin to, especially if you're raising a black child and a black male child, you have to have very difficult conversations.
My son is 31, and I've had those difficult conversations, not just with my own son, but with my three brothers.
The conversations normally look like, don't go out by yourself alone.
If the police stop you, you teach your kid all of these mechanics of what you need to do if you're stopped by the police.
Make sure the police can see your hands.
Just pull over right away.
Turn on all of your lights.
All of these mechanics of just moving about the world, you sort of have to give this young black child
all of these restrictions on how they move about the world versus this freedom that exists for white young men when you're raising white boys, for example.
I have most of us have friends who are white folks with a little white kids, and I've never heard my any of my female white friends with children giving their children the same directions that I have had to give my son.
So I just want to go back to Corey is a person
He's a human being.
He has a family.
He has parents who loved him, you know, who brought him home, who cared for him, who poured into him.
And when you're raising a young person into adulthood, as they mature into adulthood, you begin to see some of those hopes that you have for them realize they become parents.
They become career people.
They become high school graduates.
They become college folks.
They become union workers.
They become all kinds of things.
And so for me, seeing first getting the call from, you know, when you're in council leadership, you get all the phone calls about emergencies.
So, you know, I get the phone call.
And your first inclination is to get online and see what is happening.
and you know I get online to see what is happening and I see a video of who I will learn later is Corey and I don't I don't see what's happening all together there's some cars in a way but I can hear the sounds I can hear the sounds I can hear the words taser and I could just hear the shots and it's the shots that don't escape you and then I finally see videos with
a bit more detail.
And I'm telling you, I'm like, my first thought is when the officer is walking away, why isn't he walking away in cuffs?
That's my first thought because I'm just I'm looking at a quarry who can be a Charles who can be a Clyde who can be my son.
And I'm angry.
There's like no way around it.
And while we know that there will be investigations and all of that,
The thing for me is that his death is final.
And for us who have lost loved ones and have grieved loved ones, or for some of us who may be taking a longer path to the passing of a loved one, it is a very difficult thing to experience.
So my thoughts are with his family, his family that nurtured him and poured into him.
because they no longer have him because his death is final.
There's no coming back from death.
So that's where my thoughts have been.
I, of course, want an investigation that's comprehensive, that's complete, that's not bullshit.
You know, you want all of those things.
And I don't want something that's like a six month process or a nine month process.
And we often hear that
you know, it can be a while.
So I want to encourage everybody, not just, I guess I want to encourage everybody that we should all be encouraging and pushing everyone part of the process.
Hey,
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And today we are discussing the gentleman that was killed by Madison, Wisconsin cop in Madison, Wisconsin.
And.
We were just listening to the older woman.
I don't recall her name at this moment, but she was just describing who this gentleman was.
His name is Corey.
I didn't catch the last name, but he is a father and a resident of Madison, Wisconsin.
He was accused of, I guess, accused of riding his bike down.
He was accused of.
I guess touching the car door, trying to lock, so whatever, I don't know.
And he was on his bike, they stopped him, and then ultimately they tried to subdue him and a cop took his gun out and shot him after he was tased.
This is not the most happiest moment in time in our eventful...
a very highly eventful history in America.
Whenever this does happen to one, you know, a resident and also a person of color, then we are definitely going to stop the presses and tune in and see what's going on and how this person can, this person, this person's family can seek and receive justice.
This deadly shooting is not.
The first has happened over and over again.
It has happened to Breonna Taylor.
She was asleep in her own bed.
Cops break down the door, take her out to mirrorize.
12 years old, you know, had a toy gun dead in seconds.
Philando Castile hands moving exactly as instructed, killed anyway with his girlfriend and their child in the car.
Ateana Jefferson.
Playing video games with her nephew in her home.
I mean the list goes on and on and on and We still are talking about this this, you know, we we are as Dr. Claude Anderson said we are the perfect non threat That is that is threatening We're constantly asked to perform to be compliant
and when we are compliant, then we're still kicked in the face.
I think the Chief John Patterson is talking on the news, and we want to definitely hear what he has to say.
So y'all hold on for a
second.
My name is John Patterson.
I'm the Chief of Police at the Madison Police Department.
I moved here in 1994.
I've been a member of this community since then, and I've served our community for about
a year now
as your police chief, but I've served as a member of the department since 1998.
I want to begin by speaking plainly.
Yesterday, a young man, a young member of our community, died after an encounter with one of our officers.
He was in his 30s, and I know he had a family who cared for him.
And I know he had a community who cared for him.
His family is grieving today, and our entire community, I believe, is grieving alongside them.
I don't want to rush past that fact to share with you what will come next.
I want to take time to outline the process for all of you when a death occurs in any community in Wisconsin that involves police.
This is an open and active homicide investigation right now.
In accordance with state statute, longstanding practice, the Madison Police Department has called for a thorough and independent
Criminal investigation into yesterday
remember that that he said that y'all
so at the request of us at the MPD The Wisconsin Department of Justice Division of Criminal Investigation or is has been called DCI By me and others in the past they will lead this homicide investigation As
you know
DCI is a statewide agency They experience expertise in these types of situations
these types of situations that involve police and police shootings.
So they are fully in charge of this investigation.
DCI is fully in charge of this investigation.
During these investigations, their agents quickly respond to the scene.
They process it for evidence.
They thoroughly document the scene.
They analyze video that they can find.
Canvas for video, the interview witnesses, they create their own documents.
DCI will also release the name of the officer who fired his firearm at some point in their investigation, and I sincerely hope that is soon.
Once all of the facts and information have been gathered, DCI will then present it to the district attorney's office for that review and decision.
So this process exists precisely so that no department in Wisconsin investigates itself and its own actions involving its community members.
I'm not going to stand here today and render a verdict or an opinion about what the investigation will find because I believe that will jeopardize what we all want, which is independence, an independent review.
What I can promise you is that this department
will cooperate fully with DCI and we will not hide from any aspect of this investigation.
So I've been thinking a lot today about a former chief who led this department for 21 years, David Cooper.
So long before community policing was a phrase that people seem to use casually now, he built this department upon that conviction.
He built it upon something he would plainly
say that you cannot do the job unless you have the support of your community.
Years after he left office, he wrote something that I think this department has to sit with very honestly right now.
He said that the use of physical force by police is a sacred and public trust.
He also said that more than the force of department uses the less
Trust and support it has from the people it serves more force we use the less trust we have That is the tension that we are living through right now in the city and I can physically feel it I Also want to name something directly because I know the city has not forgotten about it and will not be silent about it And I referenced it somewhat yesterday, but this shooting happened a block and a half
from where Tony Robinson was shot and killed by a Madison police officer in 2015.
It happened near the same corner where Paul Heenan was shot and killed by a police officer in Madison in 2012.
So three fatal encounters with your police department within roughly 14 years on the same half full blocks.
And I'm not going to stand here and draw a legal conclusion by any of the three, but I'm saying because I think we all have to recognize it We have to recognize the trauma that this community has gone is experiencing now again and Pretending that this is the first time I would ask this community to forget trauma and forget losses endured And I will not do that
Trust in this department is not something any of us can assume.
It is by far greatest commodity.
Must be earned continuously, and I think it can be lost in a single afternoon.
The thinnest of trust in the city right now did not start.
No, we don't shut this down.
You can stop talking because we don't want to hear anything you've been saying.
You're going to say the same thing you all say every time a black body gets shot down in this city.
This is a corrupt city.
That's right.
Have no fear.
The anti-zionist is here.
You understand me?
You won't be able to talk today because I'm gonna keep talking because I was born to talk, not talk, and walk, not walk, too.
I told these young people back here on our way here
that we
have the power, not that badge, not that weapon.
We have the power.
The city of Madison is corrupt.
From the VA to the, to the, what's the name of this?
The, the, uh, Department of Independent Modernity.
We don't want any of that talk.
You've given us this speech with you'll deliver justice.
Oh, we've seen the cameras.
We've seen it was a knife in this young man's hand.
We don't want to hear that today.
We didn't want to hear it when they put their neck on George Floyd's neck.
We don't put on George Floyd's neck and we don't want to hear it today.
What do you have to say about that?
Oh, you don't get to talk, I said.
Go ahead.
me this microphone, then.
Excuse me.
That's right.
My name is Carlos Dixon.
I represent Aptap, all power to all people, zero power to Zionists, zero power to Capitalists, zero power to colonialism.
What you are doing right now in this city is continuing the disgusting nature of colonialism, the disgusting nature of imperialism.
Look up the definition of imperialism.
It's all within the policies, which means when these police officers come down on the street and they decide that they want to take the life of another brown body, there is no oversight for that.
That's imperialism, ladies and gentlemen.
This man signed up to be an enforcer of imperialism.
Is there anybody else wanna say anything?
It doesn't matter, okay?
Walked in on the press conference.
I don't know who this gentleman is, but he is a part of an organization I think ATPT or something like that and they are he was claiming that He's talking about imperialism and Zionism and now he is anti Zionism and now he is He got the mic he took the mic
And the police has stepped out of the
way.
Your Zionist noses, because your entire communications and media department is all about Zionism and colonialism.
We will not stand.
I am a part of the class that has been oppressed and struggled my entire life.
My grandmother struggled.
My mother struggled.
That grandmother struggled.
Those people struggle.
We go back enough far enough and we can see that there was a white European that colonized us, that stole land, that committed genocide, right?
here on America and you guys want a whole stroke bourgeoisie revolution.
You guys want
to run your
mouths about how disgusting socialism is.
You haven't seen socialism, okay?
I am a revolutionary inter-communalist, okay?
I believe that there is no separation of the struggle.
You see
This is how you, this is fragmentation.
All of these struggle, Palestine, Congo, America, Sudan, Venezuela.
We're not what Trump was.
Keep going, bro.
We cut that part out.
We could
replay
it and then
like cut.
It is time for you guys to wrap it up.
It's time to go.
You don't have no questions.
Let's go.
It won't be no
They
questions.
And I would like to hear what the police chief has to finish saying.
And I want you to also be a part of that conversation because this is a conversation.
So what you're doing is, is you coddling up to imperialism, brother.
There will be no coddling to imperialism.
If you don't have a question about what kind of charges are going to be brought by no soul, you
coddling to imperialism.
I don't, I don't stand for that.
I am unnecessarily rejected, brother.
You can get on if you got some questions about what's going to happen to these pigs that killed that young man because he appeared to be homeless.
Yo, I think
hours.
Hey, we're gonna
Hopefully they get it figured out.
Yeah, they never, I don't think they're ever gonna get it figured out.
down there.
We're going to come back.
We're going to take some more callers and hit the chat line because the chat line is blowing up because of what my man said.
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Oh, wow.
This is crazy.
We were just interrupted by an interruption.
We had, we had an interrupter on the interruption.
As we were talking about the shooting in, in Madison, gentlemen gets on the cap, the police captain.
is talking at during the press conference and then from on the end of press conference, then the gentleman who is from a local organization in Madison then gets on the.
Mike takes the mic from the police captain and the police chief and then winds up talking and co-opting the entire press conference.
Here's the thing.
Here's what I noticed.
That will not happen in Milwaukee.
They will tackle that dude if he got on the mic.
Yes, the chief.
Yes.
That dude will not get on the mic if that happened in Milwaukee.
So we already know that there are things, uh, different in Madison.
There are, you know, Madison, a little different.
Madison is very different.
So, yeah, I think, um, I think we're, we're, they're a little bit more, I guess, welcoming in that press conference.
Maybe not Milwaukee's because he will not make it to the he will not make it to the podium.
Al, what's up, man?
Now, I want to please correct me.
Did he say you stand with Donald Trump?
Is that what I heard?
I don't
that.
No, no, you need.
No, that's because he my thing is, is if you stand with Donald Trump, you raising all that hell for nothing because Donald Trump is for everything he's just said.
You know, so to get up there and raise all that hill Donald Trump is for white supremacy.
He's for violence against blacks So why get up there and say oh there it is and then you say I'm for Donald Trump
But when it comes to black people or whatever religion he starts to be You cannot
Sit here and say this this I'm against Zionism Donald Trump loves that you can't sit here and say all this and this and this and like this like that, but I said with Donald Trump That doesn't even that gives black people Well,
and I'm not hit with one thing one thing I'm not defending to do at all I'm just telling you exactly almost what he said he said he's against Communism and he's basically he was liking him himself
being against communism with Donald Trump being against communism.
That's what he was saying, but keep going.
And
Donald Trump, I understand that, but Donald Trump is still against black people.
Yeah,
He pardoned people who did this stuff to black people.
So when you get there and say, I stand with Donald Trump, you're not for black people.
That's like me sitting here saying that,
God is willing to hear this, and then I say, and I said with God, that will make me a hypocrite.
That's dangerous to black people.
If you're going to be one way, be one way.
But don't sit here and say, I'm against this, and I'm for black people.
But I'm going to show them what the devil who
takes away the rights from black people.
It's like mixing water and oil.
It doesn't mix.
Have a good day, by the way.
Bye-bye.
Hey, I appreciate you, man.
Hey, it's like mixing oil and water.
You're right.
The dude makes a little bit of oil and a little bit of water in his little press conference co-op.
Hey, y'all, we're going to take a break.
And when we come back, we're going to have the last section of my two hours here on the War, Win, and Truth Radio 1017.
I like what you said.
When we come back, we'll be back in three.
We'll come back and get to it about this topic.
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I mean there were so many topics going on today that we really couldn't get to everything and I really you know am Not I went I want to just jump around and hit topics, but I couldn't
So tomorrow, hopefully we can get to some of these topics, but I know that we're supposed to have a guest on.
His name is John Fletcher.
He is a domestic violence instructor, domestic violence defense instructor.
And he has a lot of knowledge, plus plenty of stories.
So we're going to have him on.
Hopefully he can demonstrate some of the things that need to be.
Done in relationship to defending yourself in domestic violence situations and this was a domestic violence situation as it relates to this young gentlemen Cory, I don't know his last name that was killed in an active Active homicide invested police homicide investigation Meaning that From what I can tell The police
Chief said that there is this is an active homicide investigation, meaning that the police officer that killed Corey.
Did it in out of anger, out of emotion and not out of process.
And that is huge.
So I really, we really applaud those words.
Hopefully they can stick to those words and hopefully that investigation will allow us to.
have some solace in this situation.
And he, he knows, and they know that if things can go really sour, really fast in a situation like this, because it was all on camera, not only that, there were two to three other killings of unarmed individuals in that same area within the two to three block radius of where, where this gentleman was killed.
It was 30 something years old You know at 30 years old man things go on, you know, you're back 30 years old you trying to he got a kid You know, it could be anything Any condition that this young man was in and they didn't explore those conditions.
They just killed him and that's the problem That is the problem.
So we were just at the press conference.
We're listening to the press conference and it was a spokes of
Spokesperson from the city.
I don't know.
It might have been a mayor and then it was an order order woman who was familiar with the gentleman that was killed and then the police chief came on and as the police chief came on then there was a protest or from a guy in that local organization and He was a part of maybe an anti-zionist organization that was trying to co-op and impact the
the press conference.
And yo, hey look, let me tell you, people, no matter what, no matter what you say, no matter how you see it and view it, honestly, this gentleman, whoever he was that co-opted, you know, there is some truth to what he said.
There was some truth to what he said, but what I know,
What I know and not truth to what he said about Trump, you know We should have blocked that out, but there was some truth to what he said and You know the police chief the police chief Saying that it was an active and Viable homicide investigation really gave us a jaw drop because in most in most
police shootings we don't It may be homicide in definition, but we don't necessarily hear that out of a authorities police authorities mouth that much and so this is that is a that is a page turner and we need to understand how we can
How we can tune in and understand the language of these folks before we pass our judgment.
So we need to understand what they're saying, what side they're on to.
This was very much surprising day and I know that we need to have a, we need to have a come Jesus moment tomorrow.
Milwaukee.
We already know a man went down.
When this show started, before this show started, there's a war going on outside.
No man is safe from him.
You can run, but you can't hide forever.
In the words of Mobb Deep, you can run, but you can't hide forever.
Our kids are down in screens.
We got a gentleman that was killed last night.
We didn't get to that, but we're definitely going to get to that tomorrow.
Dr. King said, the art bends towards justice, but it only bends when somebody's hand is on it.
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