It Could Be so Simple

Yes, yes, welcome back.

Welcome back to the grapevine.

I'm your host, Manon Sabir, and we are back in the building.

I'm so happy to be here.

We are, man, this has been a lot, man.

Coming in, coming out, coming in, coming out.

I had to run and grab some, grab a little coffee.

So Milwaukee, let me ask you something before we even get started.

Who owns the dirt under your feet?

Not the D, not the paperwork, but who actually controls whether that dirt grows something that feeds your family or sits empty while you drive 20 minutes for a bag of lettuce?

20 minutes though.

Imagine that.

Like leaving your house and you say, or are you waking up and you're saying, man, you know what?

I need to go, I need to go grocery shopping.

You get this bag of lettuce and then all of a sudden you recognize that the drive is not what it seems.

It's, man, it's a, it's a, it's a ways, it's a ways away.

So you are trying, you're trying to get that bag of lettuce for that, for that.

Soiree that you're about to host at your house.

You got the gold line cups, all of that.

And then you have to drive 20 minutes for that bag of lettuce, drive through traffic, Milwaukee traffic at that.

So today that's the whole show.

Same question, different scales.

And we're starting at the grocery aisle.

I'm re, I'm picking up this, this topic again.

Mayor Mamdani up in New York city.

New York City is opening up a city owned grocery stores.

One in particular, they're getting started in East Harlem and it's government backed.

It's lower prices, no corporate markup.

And I'm going to show you, I'm going to try to show you how cities do it.

Cities smaller than us, cheaper than us.

Less resource than us.

Less resource than us.

Cause we got some resources here in Milwaukee and they're already doing this right, right here.

Madison, 60 minutes away from about a, about an hour from us up the road already riding they lease.

Then we go on backwards, back up.

into our own Wisconsin dirt.

Because before there was a Milwaukee food desert, there was a black farming settlement in this state with 150 families feeding themselves off of co-op and callous hands, co-opt and callous hands.

They were bartering.

using a lot of barter systems to feed each other.

And that history is buried.

And today we're going to dig it up.

We're going to dig it up.

We got to dig it up.

I think there's also a community.

Did y'all know that there was a community?

Milwaukee has a community in or we had a community in the 30s that owned.

a lake and also lake houses around that community in the 30s.

Forgot the name of the, I think it's called Lake Ivanhoe.

So if you know about Lake Ivanhoe, Lake Ivanhoe is in, let's see, Lake Ivanhoe is in Lake Ivanhoe, Wisconsin.

No, no, no.

Yep.

I think it's Wisconsin.

Yeah.

Yep.

So it was Lake Ivanhoe.

It was, it's in Walworth County located five miles east of Lake Geneva.

It's historically significant as the first black founded resort community in the state established in 1926 by middle class.

We still using that class thing, but middle class African-American families seeking a safe vacation haven away from segregation.

Yep.

Founded by Chicago is Jeremiah Brumfield, Frank Anglin, and Bradford Watson.

The community served as a Midwestern Mecca for black vacationers.

It previously boasted a music pavilion where legendary artists like Cab Callaway performed.

Today, the area features street names honoring famous African-American figures.

and has been officially recognized with the Wisconsin Historical Society marker.

Man, this is fantastic.

This is fantastic.

It was black owned, black founded.

It was a resort community and it was a safe haven for Black families who could vacation.

and who could afford a vacation and enjoy the outdoors free from the Jim Crow Jim Crow discrimination.

So.

This is if we're if we're going to talk about black farming, we're also we can also talk about how black land ownership is a part of.

There's a part of this particular system.

It is.

If you look at how we wanted to not be restricted by living in sundown towns, we had to seek out places.

We had to seek out places in like what we did in Wisconsin and.

You know, build out what we need to build out in order for us not to be discriminated against.

I love that.

I love that.

And then.

And then we're crossing some sad news real quick because we got a whole Jade riser's name in our mouths before anything else today.

Nine years old, gone.

We're going to talk about that with the respect it deserves.

This is not the end of this particular conversation nor topic.

And then we're going to cross an entire ocean.

We're going to talk about Burkina Faso, what they just told friends.

They're old colonized.

They told them to get out.

And I want Milwaukee asking today, what would it look like if we said to whatever's been colonizing our opportunity in this city?

Land, legacy, liberation.

Same rope.

Three different knots.

We need to pull on it together.

This is, you know, this is.

This is the on the land on the plate segment.

We got to, we have to own the land and we ought to own the plate.

The moment we start, we don't, we can't just ask for equality.

We have to, we have to build the equity also.

Let's build, build our own table.

That's how, that's how we even the, the competition because one group made it a competition and we are to even, we have to even the playing field.

by equity.

So before anything else, I need to say a name.

Jay Reiser, nine years old, shot July 2nd near Burlai and Richards on the north side of Milwaukee.

She passed away days later from her injuries and... Man.

Her mother described her as bright, creative, love painting her nails, making TikToks, dancing, doing stuff with her sisters, just a regular nine-year-old.

Like whatever a nine-year-old can do, being nine years old, a nine-year-old little girl, she does, that's who she was, like nine years old.

So doing regular nine-year-old things until she wasn't safe,

For doing from doing nine-year-old things So no arrests have been made The investigation is still pending If you guys know anything And people know stuff people like people talk if you know anything this is the age this literally is the age of Over communication So somebody knows something

Talk to the Crime Stoppers, talk to the, you know, MPD.

Talk straight up.

It's okay.

Talk.

You can do an anonymous tip, send a kite through a, from a pigeon, whatever you gotta do.

Give that person up.

That person does not need whoever it is.

That person does not need to be on the streets.

And they also need to, we need to hear from them.

Yo, we need to hear from you not on the radio, but in this at the police station.

We got to hear from you turn yourself in She's the fourth young gunshot victim This city has seen in recent weeks or a couple months She's the fourth one Jade riser So that's not just that's not one tragedy that's a pattern and we owe her

We owe her our our conversation around this.

We owe her our spirit.

Don't just our spirit to help her.

We owe her more shows and the rest of the young kids that have been killed by senseless acts of violence.

We owe her family.

We owe her sisters.

We owe her mother her dad And as we move through the rest of this show We want to carry her with us.

We do not want to leave her behind we have a young young girl who Was killed by someone who was reckless Reckless like out of order

and they are on the streets somewhere in wherever and they don't need to be on the streets.

Man, I'm livid and I'm trying to contain myself.

I'm livid, real livid.

Because these dudes run around with guns, weapons of mass destruction,

Don't know where they are shooting these aiming.

There's these bullets.

We don't know the situation Definitely could have been whatever Anything but you're you're taking out a young life that don't even know you and you don't know that person Turn yourself in just let it go like on up to it That's your that's your level if you had a high level of accountability as

A thug as a gun, toting, whatever you are, whatever you want to call yourself.

If you want to call yourself that, call it, call it what it is, but be it.

If you were gangster, be a gangster.

Turn yourself in on up to it.

I did it.

Say it.

But you run.

Man.

Straight up running.

but you don't run from no fight.

We come back, we gonna keep her name, we gonna keep Jade Ryzer's name in our spirits and our hearts.

We'll come back, we gonna talk about the city-owned groceries and Wisconsin's buried legacy when we come back in two.

Welcome back to the Great Vine.

Welcome back to the great finder.

We're talking about city on grocery stores and Wisconsin buried legacy.

That's right.

I'm your host, Manon Sabeer.

You're on the war winning truth.

One on one seven radio.

And before we begin, I'm going to remind y'all to take Jade Ryzer, 90 year old shot in Milwaukee on July 7th.

Take her, keep her in your spirit, your prayers.

She has.

She was shot and killed and we need to pass the word along to bring her, bring the person who shot this little girl.

We need to bring that person to justice straight up.

That person does not need to be on the street at all.

Not one bit of that person needs to be anywhere near the street.

So.

If we are going to do anything else before we begin, say a prayer for that young little girl, nine years old.

Last thing she told her, her sister was something is wrong.

So she's hurt.

This needs to stop.

This needs to stop.

Shout out to Reggie and David.

Reggie Moore, David Muhammad.

Y'all putting in that work.

Shout out to you guys.

David Muhammad just organized pop-ups.

We got the interrupters on the street.

Man, Milwaukee just got a 30% crime reduction.

So we're doing the work.

The work is going on.

The work is happening, taking people off the streets.

People are getting employed in many different formats, forms.

through many different employers.

They're becoming employees.

People are coming off the streets.

Drugs are stopping a little bit.

So it's happening, but we got to keep on going.

This type of stuff has to stop.

If you are a friend of this person, whoever did this thing, turn that person in.

Straight up.

Turn them in.

I'm not on believing.

when especially this, especially this snitches, gets stitches and all that other good, those quotes, that gotta stop.

That has to stop.

If you're gonna do anything, turn, if it's your brother, if it's your son, if it's your nephew, whoever it is, whoever it is, if it's, I don't even know if it was a dude anymore.

Girl shooting too.

Turn that person in.

Yard putting in the work.

Shout out to Ajmu, everybody.

Shout out to all the ladies, everybody who's putting in the work.

TLE, everybody.

Shout out to everybody who's putting in the work in this community.

Yard, you guys are blessed, highly favored, and we need to continue to highlight you all, but also this work needs to continue.

We can't stop.

Nine year old Jay riser Just gotta this gotta be like Here's what here's what I think here's what I think Honestly if y'all got a beef I need somebody I Need somebody to take a bus take a bus and Outfit the bus or a Mack truck put some lights in the Mack truck pad the Mack truck y'all got a beef this put this beef

Like, it should be a mobile beef truck.

Like, it should be a mobile beef truck.

So when you, if somebody got a beef, this truck pulls up, these people put on some gloves, they put on a helmet, and they just, they fight it out.

If you got a beef, just fight it out.

Like, that's what we used to do.

That's what we used to do, we used to fight it out.

If you got some beef, put the gloves on.

You and he got to go to the King Center.

I'm not saying it's not shot to the King Center.

So it's out to all the All the facilities, but if you have a beef Just let the let the gloves handle it right there in the mobile beef truck We ain't got we don't need no we don't need no we got a one one guy about six foot six You know 300 pounds could you know UFC do whatever?

If I box her, he's the ref.

And these, you know, people can fight like wet noodles inside the mobile beef truck.

And then the beef is over.

And then if they want to fight again, if people talking, we, they do it again, closed doors.

Nobody invited.

They just fight.

Cause this, this type of, this type of work is, this is, what the kids say, diabolical.

You crashing out over, over somebody's, over rumors.

Or whatever, you gotta stop.

You have to stop.

I'm getting tired of it.

Everybody in Milwaukee is tired of it.

This is where we going.

I got to switch topics, man.

All right, let's get into it.

So Mayor Mom Donnie, the New York Mayor, he has a plan.

He has a plan.

and this all ties in.

This all ties in.

Before I go into this plan, I used to, I talked to one of my relatives.

I asked one of my relatives, this is the crazy part.

Asked one of my relatives, like, why is he doing whatever he was doing on the street?

We walk it through a grocery store and he says that, he says that, you know, I'm hungry out here.

I'm like, how you hungry when I'm buying groceries for you?

He was like Not that type of hungry.

He's like I'm hungry like Trying to try to make some trying to do something trying to and I couldn't wrap my head around it for a really long time, but I understand But it ain't that much hunger in the world to take somebody's life And I'm not saying This relative did just a long time ago.

I'm saying somebody's relative did and you got to take that person off the street It's all I gotta say

But according to these groceries, groceries, if you are hungry, if you are hungry, if you're putting in the wrong foods in your body, things will mess up in your head.

Your body-brain connection is closely related.

If your body ain't working correctly, your brain ain't working.

Your brain ain't working correctly, your body's not gonna work.

So Mayor Mamdani in New York City, here's exactly what, how his plan works.

And I'm not going to oversimplify it.

The city owns the land.

Cause y'all remember that all these grocery stores closed down here in Milwaukee.

This is what they're doing.

The city owns the land.

They waived the rent.

They waived property taxes.

A private operator runs the day to day operations, but they're locked in by contract.

And they have to pass those savings.

They pass those savings straight to you on basic groceries, eggs, bread, you name it, basic groceries, whatever they are.

So they're cheaper on purpose.

Now is that government owned or government subsidized?

Semantics, they kind of matter here.

But less than this, their first store in the Bronx,

opens up in 2027.

Their second store is slated to open up in East Harlem.

That's years from now, a couple years from now in the richest city in the country with the real budget behind it.

It's a slow rollout.

It's a real slow rollout.

It's a really slow rollout.

However, it is working.

It is for them.

It works.

Even when the wheel is there, it's, it's going to work for them.

So where would a full, where would have city back grocery store need to go first in Milwaukee to actually matter, not symbolically actually matter, actually change somebody's Tuesday.

Y'all the phone lines open cause I want to know.

Where would you put the first city-owned grocery store?

Now, we don't have the same budget as New York, but we could.

We could have the same budget.

I don't know.

I want to know where would the first city-owned grocery store go?

Where would it go?

We need to find out.

Y'all got the answers.

I ain't got the answers.

I'm going to try to lead the charge, but y'all got the answers.

The power is with the community because y'all can make something happen.

It ain't just with voting.

Y'all need to make it happen.

833-212-1017, 833-212-1017.

We do not have enough grocery stores.

Y'all think about it.

Not everybody.

We do not have enough grocery stores.

Straight up.

833-212-1017.

You can text us, you can call us.

Even wherever you are in every city is featuring the decapitation, the decapitalization, the disinvestment.

of grocery stores in their neighborhoods.

This is very, very serious and we're going to tackle it in two when we come back on the grapevine.

Let's pick these

grapes.

Yes.

Welcome back.

Welcome back.

And we have, we're talking about, right now, Jade Ryder, keep her in your memory and your prayers.

Young girl killed in Milwaukee on Richards Street, July 2nd.

Keep her in your prayers.

We gonna continue to name her throughout the...

throughout the show because she deserves our prayers, our love, and her family deserves our prayer and our love.

Matter of fact, they're looking for funds to make sure that they are able to survive this tragic time.

So if you can reach out to them, I don't know where to find them, but man, somebody call in and let us know where, where we can find them.

Man, I will be more than happy to drop the information right here on the radio so it can live at least for a number of years.

I'm I'm excited because we're also talking about grocery stores.

We're continuing the conversation from yesterday.

I think that this is a great, great time to talk about it, especially during the summertime because we're going to go into especially in Wisconsin.

We're going to go into colder months in another three months and we need to figure this thing out eventually.

We need to figure out where.

Are we going to put grocery stores?

Hey, Zach, can we pull up that clip real quick?

In New York City, mayor elect in Bowdoin College grad Zoan Zoran mom Donnie is proposing a plan to open five city owned grocery stores.

The idea is to lower cost for people with limited access to supermarkets.

As Lee Waldman reports, while this concept might sound novel, it has been done before.

It's being pitched as a pilot.

So I think the idea is that it'll be tested and then if it works, it might be expanded.

Mayor-elect Zoran Mandani has proposed launching city-owned grocery stores as a way to tackle New York City's affordability crisis, one in every borough.

Professor Nevin Cohen of the Urban Food Policy Institute at the City University of New York explains military personnel, their families and some veterans already shop at publicly owned grocery stores.

Actually, Donald Trump runs 240

public supermarkets across the world at military bases.

The Department of Defense in North America has 177 public grocery stores that are operating.

Those public markets that the Defense Department runs can sell food at prices 15 to 25 percent below market.

Critics of the plan say that it would create an uneven playing field for privately owned and operated grocery stores.

In a statement, the CEO of the Food Industry Alliance of New York said, quote, this proposal seemingly could use taxes paid by businesses and use that money to compete against said business, which is an alarming precedent to set.

Cohen isn't moved and thinks mom Donnie's plan could serve as a model for other cities.

I think that's complete hyperbole.

New York isn't the only city with a large percentage of its population, food insecure, and high costs of living, rent, child care, transportation.

And I think other cities will look to New York as a model.

In New York.

Right on.

Thank you, Zach.

Listen, it's not foolproof, but as you see, Donald Trump has an investment in public.

and privately owned, he's privately owning military grocery stores.

I love the poorly educated.

I love it.

He loves the poorly educated.

Y'all don't know this dude has his hands in everything, in everything.

And people, I bet you people didn't even know that he owned grocery stores.

The guy owns, he owns more grocery stores than,

some of the the mainstream people some of the mainstream folks he 220 some grocery stores he owns man, and they offering discounts to military families He knows where the money is he's chasing the money and we can we don't have to necessarily chase him we can we can cut the the bull off at

with the, at the horns, we can cut, we can cut it short.

We can do this ourselves.

So mayor, mom, Donnie, shout out to you.

Thank you for doing that.

We're going to keep this, uh, keep this alive.

We have the op.

We have operators that are willing to operate, even if we, even if we could do it, where will we put it?

And so that was the question I ventured off into before we went to break.

And so I'm going to hit the chat real quick.

And Bay Bar says they have a city of sit.

They have a city of millions of people.

Milwaukee's too small to cover that unless the whole state is going to pay the taxes.

Well, welcome to the whole state paying the taxes.

Um, thanks.

Cover that budget.

Uh, Looney said the old capital court.

Bay Bar said 35th and Viper, uh, could should be the first door.

I think that's north.

Man, North side, somewhere near silver spring area ish.

Looney five or four said, isn't Northridge mall still vacant?

Yes.

Um, Bay bar said second store, seventh and Atkinson.

Yup.

So what?

It could be anywhere.

Like it doesn't have to be a large grocery store, right?

It could be a smaller.

These, these stores can be smaller.

They don't have to be.

Really huge grocery stores.

Listen, this is not rocket science.

35th and Philly Bay bar says 35th and Philly.

Yup.

So this is not rocket science.

This is all a part of, of a, I don't know why I said Viper either.

Uh, all, all this is a part of a plan.

All this is a part of a plan.

We have to fight food apartheid.

It's not called food deserts.

We don't.

We don't have food deserts in Milwaukee.

In most cities, there's not food deserts.

We're being discriminated against in the city by a systematic disinvestment and bad policymaking and segregation.

That's what food apartheid is.

We're destroying cities bit by bit, bit by bit.

taking out the food.

You take out the food and now the gas prices are going to go up.

The gas prices are going to go up.

If they haven't gone up already, they're probably on their way.

In about five to eight days, four to seven days, gas prices are going up.

So now you got to spend $10 put in a tank for two gallons to get to

or a gallon and a half to get to a grocery store that's made just for you.

Woodman's Fire out Oak Creek or on the Walker Shaw border.

Yes.

Why don't we just have little, little old grocery stores, this small grocery store city on city on property because city on the city of Milwaukee and every city owns city on property.

You can let those properties go.

Drop for like a hundred dollars.

Come on.

Move in for a hundred dollars.

We remodel it for however much money.

And then we use as a tax write off.

I don't know how this city government cop trailer be like, man, what are we using a tax writer for?

But tax write off.

And then we move operator in and that operator reports back to the city.

Plain and simple, just like how Donald Trump is doing it.

Same exact thing.

He looked for.

He 200 Donald Trump owns 200 and something 200 plus They're privately owned military grocery stores offering basically 20% off the groceries File file welcome to America Welcome to America where being the president wins you if you the president you winning

Phone lines open.

I want real neighborhoods, real corners, and where's the money coming from?

New York's using capital budget dollars.

They're trimming other subsidies to fund it.

What's Milwaukee's version of found money?

Tiff districts, county health funding, a philanthropic partner willing to put up real dollars.

Real dollars.

to feed people because people are going to go hungry.

You can't just rely on feeding America and some of these other places because their business is also, and they're doing great, great, great, great, great work.

But we need also grocery stores so people can have a choice and a service.

And bigger than that, is a grocery store a basic right like water service?

A government's job to guarantee.

Or is that or am I overreaching into like private business?

Winky blue.

Winky blue.

So what are you suggesting?

You're suggesting that the government or counties and cities of these states open up grocery stores like Mondani is trying to do and they supply the store and.

You know, they supply the store, they keep the store supplied and they're basically the proprietors of their store.

Is that what you're suggesting, man?

I'm suggesting, I'm not.

So first I was reporting that Mayor Mamdani has, he's his, he had the same problem.

Hey

man, Mamdani stuff is, is, is, is just over here.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

No, go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, go ahead.

So,

so they have

all of you young people don't understand this man.

You put the government hand in it, then they start telling you what you can and cannot buy.

They already dictating the kind of food we should eat.

And the food that they're suggesting that's supposed to be healthy is depleted of all nutrients.

I mean, the vegetables that they sell in us in these stores and given to our kids in school are insufficient, insufficient, man, and nutrients, man.

Because the seeds are radiant.

I don't care even if they're radiated.

I don't care even if they say that it's organic.

If it's not grown from an heirloom seed, then that means that the seed is probably some kind of genetic, genetically modified

organism.

I can't take that ear of corn and put it in my windowsill, let it dry out in the next spring.

grow corn.

It won't produce.

So

what I'm saying

is that unless you find yourself a reproducing seed like an heirloom seed, which the government is trying to wipe out.

So they sell us all of these ideas.

We're giving you the best nutrients.

Amen.

It's all trash.

So here's what I'm saying.

Here's what I'm saying.

Here's what I'm saying.

Let me tell you.

Here's what I'm saying.

They have 52

grocery stores in New York.

I don't know if you've ever been in New York, but like they have 52 large grocery stores.

Sometimes some of their grocery stores are double or double-decker and or they're larger.

Okay.

Yeah.

So like some of their grocery stores are really large.

Ours are one, one level, but I'm just talking about the size, right?

So we had about eight closed down.

We already know this.

We know the story.

What he's suggesting is that the city owns the grocery store.

So what they're doing is they're getting there.

They're waving all the property taxes, they're waving the rent, and they're putting a owner operator of that particular business inside of their building.

So they own the building and the land.

The city owns the building and the land.

The owner operator can be a privately owned operator that reports basically back to the city and also the community.

And then they monitor the finances of that particular operator.

Why would you want somebody in your business if you're the proprietor and you put in the money?

Are they stocking the store?

The proprietor will sign up for this particular.

this particular assignment.

It doesn't mean that they're putting somebody in there.

So what I'm saying is who is gonna oversee my income?

We already got the IRS and everybody else breathing down my back.

They're overseeing, what they're overseeing are the savings.

Overseeing

the savings,

what do you mean?

Yes, so as a business owner, I'm pretty sure you own a business, I have owned a business, but they're overseeing the savings that are passed down to the consumer.

So if you are a consumer,

of a grocery store, pick and save.

Let's say pick and save, right?

You've been to pick and save, of course.

And if you own pick and save, as the owner, you are paying property taxes, you're paying all these other...

That's all upon a business.

That's what keeps the

city going, brother.

That's what keeps your 911 going.

That's what's supposedly your school boards running.

That's what subsidized some of the big buildings and some of the big factories around the city.

I mean, that's what we pay for our garbage disposal.

I mean, we got to pay, if you can't afford to pay something, then you should not be a homeowner or a business owner.

Just to pick up your trash.

Some of our trash is just so egregious that to spend $180 a month on your taxes, $200 a month on your taxes, just to pick up your dog on trash, man.

But if you don't have eight, you're right.

So if you don't have eight grocery stores, eight grocery stores in your community, nobody's getting paid and nobody's being fed.

So in order to replace that area,

you have to put something in where somebody is benefiting.

And who has to benefit in that particular community if nothing is being done?

Like there's nobody to

take.

In our case, your mayor could have come in and offered some kind of tax incentives for Walmart leaving.

For any of the, I mean, at least sit down and negotiate, try to negotiate to keep jobs there in the community.

And that's a, I mean,

that's a what

it

is.

Yeah, you're right.

Okay,

but it did

happen.

And so, but you're suggesting that the government come in, stick his hand in, and you know what they'll do for people that get those, uh, those quest cards and what you call it, those, uh, SNAP benefits.

You know what they're doing?

They already trying to do it.

They will, they will tell them people what they can and cannot buy.

Right.

Hey.

It

kills them people when they can and cannot shout.

I want you to stay on the line because I want to hear some more of what you got going on.

We're going to continue this conversation.

We're going to take a break, okay?

Stay on the line.

So what do you suggest we do?

How you doing?

What's your suggestion?

What do we do as a city too?

I want to hear it here before we move on.

When you're

talking about a chain of grocery store chains, you're not talking about some real corner store stuff, right?

Well, that's what I was about to get into before we took the call, right?

So it can be anything.

The thing is, in most major inner cities, they'll scream out the word, statuary.

The area is saturated.

We don't want any more of those.

We don't want any of that in our community.

We don't want any more of the corner stores feeding our kids junk food and all of that.

And it's your aldermans, our aldermans, black ones that we send to y'all every day all across the country.

And they put us out of business and they allow other people to come in and get our economy.

I mean, that's a part of our economy.

You know, that's our money that we're spending.

And guess what, brother?

They'll shut you down.

They won't let you operate.

They'll let somebody else come in and get that revenue.

And they don't even know that that's the power of the people.

That money, when you got 25 grocery stores, first of all, we only got about 20 real food chains, black-owned grocery stores in this country.

And it's probably, we only got about, what, 200?

I

think we

only got 20, maybe, man, I had the statistics down pat.

We only got a few gas stations, and it's 150,000 gas stations.

I bet you we ain't got the 200 of them.

That's across the whole country.

When it comes down to your little grocery store, the statistics on that is kind of blurry because it's a small chain, but when you go to full chain grocery store, you probably got 20 across the whole country.

But what real quick, give me 30 seconds, 30 seconds, then I got to take this next caller.

Tell me what...

What in your 32nd view, what should we do?

My 32nd

view is just to renege, push back against any of that kind of foolishness.

It's all government, they want to regulate up, and they want to run things, and they want a communist.

They really want a communist.

People pushing this is not even from our country.

They flee from countries that put that kind of stuff on them, and they over here bringing it down.

Boots run from it.

When you see it coming, vote against them.

Vote them out.

Won't beat them in the primary.

Don't even let them people in talking that foolish talk.

Okay.

15 seconds.

How do we bring groceries back to

Milwaukee?

Open the doors up.

Talk to your city hall.

If you're talking about big chains,

that's a big number.

Leave the big chains out.

Leave the big chains out.

Would you say lead lead the big change out?

How do we bring groceries back to the city of Milwaukee?

Give me 15 seconds

and what you have to do is you have to But put but dollars together and make it happen other than that We run in this false America that our communities be an entrepreneur and we think entrepreneurism is just a one-man show in some cases it can be

But when you really finna do something, it's a conglomerate of people, and that's what you gotta do, man.

So, we is where we at, man.

Man, I appreciate

you.

Man, I appreciate you too, Winky.

Hey, look, you're a good brother.

Thank you so much.

Al, what's up?

Well, my thing is, if your president wasn't so busy being a trick baby to other countries, maybe y'all could do something.

Because it's supposed to be there.

Tritonology, baby.

The person that is real first, or Argentina, you know, he, I mean, come on now, he giving all the money away like he's a trick.

Okay, now if you want something changing your neighborhood, y'all got enough liquor stores and enough church incense.

Godfather forgive me for I have sinned.

for the 30% y'all taking in every Sunday.

Maybe all them, maybe all them meat missiles can come together and put a grocery store together in the name of Jesus Christ, whoever y'all choose to follow.

And a lot of this stuff we wouldn't be going through if you start calling your neighborhood hoods and stop stealing from where you sugar honey-ice here.

We don't talk about that neither.

And the other thing I don't appreciate when it comes to black people, they make us look like we the help.

and we're not the bottom feeders.

So I'm going to put that out there right now.

See, anytime they think it's something free, they want to put a black face on it.

Do you put them blue or white people face on it for free?

Because I don't appreciate it.

Okay, we got any kind of black people?

Well, we're going to give them some food or something.

First of all, black people are smart, bright and intelligent.

And if some of them got off their ass and went to work and stopped urinating them babies out, we wouldn't be at the bottom.

Al, what grocery store do you shop at?

I don't shop at nothing in the inner city.

I tell you that.

But which one of the outside of the city do you shop at?

No, no, no,

I'm saying like give me the first the first letter

You don't have to say okay, I

go to I go to see max put it like that.

Okay.

Okay.

But look at your but look at your inner city grocery stores.

Look at how they run.

They're dirty.

They on the telephone.

They don't give a capital F. You see you can see the other letter that comes after G. So why would your grocery stores last?

You're fighting in a parking lot is garbage everywhere.

You only got one line open.

Look at the shelf.

You gotta take pride where you work at.

Your management is about, your management is just as good as a toilet paper that goes down your rectum.

Why is that?

Why is it when it come to us?

Why is it when it come to us?

Everything gotta be so low vibration and low vibration in the bottom of the barrel.

Your grandmothers and mothers that live by that, why take that back to some other margin to check and they feel.

that you know that the 673 in this hood is okay.

But a lot of your grandmothers didn't live by that.

And some of your grandfathers came down here with no education.

And they knew how to take care of their family.

They knew how to go to work.

And they wasn't sitting there waiting for no 673 and letting somebody net inside them so they can get an extra $300 on a goddamn check.

Man, hey, man, you know what?

You bought up a really good point.

My my grandfather came here from the south.

Thank you out my grandfather came here from the south and He knew what to do then people knew what to do what what I'm saying even to winky and Al is What are we going to do?

About the closing of these grocery stores.

We got high gas prices about to come down the pipeline America's bombing the ports of

The port cities in Iran so they don't close the close the oil ports Close the the straight both straights The oil is about to run out oil Oil it's about to run out in America.

I'm not trying to

They say I'm crazy.

The way you got me open, baby.

Oh.

Yes.

Welcome back.

Last hour of the grapevine.

And we continue to cook these grapes.

We cookin' the grapes.

We ain't just pickin' them.

We cookin' them now.

We fire.

Fire.

Winky blue and hour on fire today.

We talkin' about.

Grocery stores we could continue this topic because we got a lot more to talk about people going hungry man People they gotta they gotta travel to eat try to travel get on the Uber get on the bus Ask for a ride getting their cars go across town Should always have a grocery store.

This is America.

You should always have a grocery store about three to four blocks away from me at the very least Seven to ten

Gotta be and we we're losing the grocery stores left and right in many parts of the city So and they're moving they're conglomerates they out of here Taking their disinvesting into the into the neighborhoods in which people have shopped with them for a long period of time.

They have not said anything helpful the caller How you doing?

I'm doing awesome today.

Can you hear me?

Yep.

Doing awesome today.

And since this is 101.7, the truth, anytime I hear a lie, I have to call them out.

So you had a person who, you know how they say liar, liar, pants on fire.

And that's Brother Winky.

And we love him.

He's entertaining, but he is a person with a certain point of view, which

in my opinion, and some facts I could use to support is a Confederate sympathizer.

And the reason I say that is when you will get on the radio and talk about aldermen as if they have impact or choose immigrants, which is a federal issue, then you're already starting with a very faulty premise.

Because we don't

We don't have Alderman in Milwaukee who decided to let thousands of Africaners which are white South Africans who stole land from Nelson Mandela and the people of South Africa and now are claiming victimhood just like

a lot

of white supremacists here who claimed victimhood in Wisconsin because black children were being or black high school graduates were being led into colleges that they were denied for centuries.

due to the AI and affirmative action.

Mr. Winky is against all of those things, so therefore you cannot be for our community if you're not for young people being educated and not willing to speak against a fascist regime who is anti-education, anti-black history, and he will never do that, which is why he went on the radio a few days ago saying he's supporting Tom Kiffinian.

If you do your research, you'll know.

where he stands on many of the issues I speak of.

So when it comes to feeding the community, big change that Winky talked about that he encouraged you and to call Alderman to try to re-attract are exactly what Pick and Save is.

Pick and Save and Walgreens are part of the big change that during the pandemic price gouged the whole world.

And then they left.

And they continue

Well, they continue to keep those prices up in the places where they have those stores, even though the pandemic ended six years ago.

So, or five years ago at this point.

So for Mr. Blue, who otherwise is an intelligent brother to pretend that he's ignorant enough to not know all these things.

And, you know, if this was a Democrat.

I would, I would, as a person who will vote to Democrat, I would call them out on their racism because both sides are racist, but a MAGA drifter cannot do that because they'll be ostracized like Marjorie Taylor Greene.

And so he knows he better not.

And that's the behavior that Mr. Farrakhan calls a slave.

So I am, I am very sorry.

And I've tried over the years that I've been calling in to encourage him to stand on his own two feet.

Stand on the principles of Commander McGee and Howard Fuller and really love our community and not grift and try to part his hair down the middle.

So you're saying, don't hate the skin you in.

I think Malcolm X had a speech about that.

Hating

the skin that you in.

And all skin folk not being kinfolk.

Skin

folk not being kinfolk.

So what would you do?

What would be your, so a lot of these,

A lot of these areas are now food apartheid based areas.

Milwaukee is in the state of emergency.

Milwaukee is a classified state of emergency food apartheid designated city.

And what's happening in New York is working, right?

What's happening in New York is the vision is working.

They're gonna open up their first city-owned grocery store in New York.

They have one already opened in Atlanta called Azalea Fresh Markets, a city-supported grocery store through a public and private partnership.

Whatever that is, you can imagine what that is.

In a neighborhood that gone,

it went

decades without a, and I don't know if people, you've ever been to Azalea Fresh Markets, pretty cool.

In

a

neighborhood that's gone decades without a supermarket, like decades.

And now people are.

And what is the response of the community there, brother?

Oh, they love it.

They love it.

I

know.

I know.

I

did.

And so Atlanta has been the blueprint for cities, which will, you know, most of the time be predominantly, predominantly black.

And so you will have black elected officials who do what they can at a local level.

But for our brother, again, I have to talk about his comments to act as if the state legislature.

in every state does not have impact on what mayors and aldermen can do is asinine and and i think your listening audience is smart enough to i always call him out on it and he knows i'm gonna call right now or probably

call right then i'm gonna

call right after that to correct his lies

because

you have to fact check lies especially on a station that's called the truth and he got on the radio he didn't tell the truth and he tried to hide

what his real truth is, and that is he will support anything that this man who sent ICE into cities to kill people says, and he will never go against, I guess the Confederates always wore gray, the Confederate uniform of red.

He will not.

Yeah.

So what will be the solution?

Because we have eight stores that are

that are closed.

We have multiple war grains that are closed.

I think it was, I think, I don't know.

I counted probably three or four, whatever, uh, that are closed.

I've been, I was away for a while.

So there's probably more around the city or less, but I want to know what would be the solution to, I would just not talking about that land per se, just that land,

but

what would be the solution

for

our city?

You mean for our city?

and groceries.

I would say following that example of New York and Atlanta because as I said Atlanta has been a successful blueprint of black affluence and black excellence and another thing that I would like to say that doesn't have as much to do with food but the area where Walmart is why wouldn't we decide that that would be an HBCU where we teach political science and

educate our future judges and attorneys because it's big enough.

And plumbers,

and electricians.

And

people who could

grow healthy food.

Because I know Meach is intelligent.

I know Brother Meach is intelligent.

Well, Winky Meach, he has a couple names on the radio.

I know he's intelligent enough to know that liquor stores, which he suggests, you know, we have more than enough of those.

And he has

Went on air saying he tries to open liquor stores.

Why not if you want to put money together Yeah, let's put money together.

Let's call, you know, all of our affluent athletes and people who have made millions of dollars at fast food restaurants and get them to fund HBCU that will be named after Vell Phillips.

Why wouldn't we do that?

Gentlemen who?

The gentleman who was, you know, I guess his name is Trent, somebody

who

was coming with the data center.

Why wouldn't we have our alderman sit down and talk to him about that?

Because in the Midwest, that's what's needed.

Education is lacking.

So it could become a school of agriculture, which would feed into the very programs that you're talking about, the grocery stores.

That's right.

I like that.

Man, call.

I appreciate it, man.

We don't have much time in this.

hour to really cover everything.

But city-owned grocery stores, that's what we're talking about, a city-owned public grocery store.

If we can own public parks, if we can own public schools, if we can own public libraries, why can't we own a public grocery store?

What is the reason why we can't?

I think the other solution

And the other solution is is a co-op as a food as a community owned food co-op That's in either in conjunction with other co-ops Like outpost or or we invest reinvest or we talk about investing city investing into a part of play a company like Co-op like was it outpost natural foods?

We talk about investing into them we we try to we look at the Their model the co-op model and we partner with people like that and then we look at opening up more co-ops where the people actually own the The a part of the business And they can participate in actually more savings

that it could be a real partnership.

It could be a real partnership.

Ray, the CEO of Ray Simpkins, the CEO of Outpost.

Hit us up.

Talk to us.

Let us know what you think.

We want to hear from you.

We want to hear from you.

Natural, the co-op, we want to hear from Outpost Natural Foods.

We want to understand if this is a...

If this is a partnership that you guys will be able to...

adhere to, to at least explore.

When we come back, we're gonna talk about this exploration of grocery stores in the community because there's a number of ways in which we can attack this.

We need to feed people.

We'll be back in

two.

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Thank you for tuning in, and we are not done with our grocery store topic.

I got other topics to get to, but...

This is a little this is a little hot topic.

We might have to stay on this man We're just trying to figure out how to make these grocery stores work.

A lot of people need to eat that means Shoot.

It's the first of the month It's that bad.

We they'd be baiting on here.

Like it's the first of the month Zack We're we're that and you first of the month track.

Oh, we got it It's all it ain't the first of the month, but they debate on here like it's the first of the month like they got to go eat That's it

the time we just bring the track in.

There was a YouTube ad.

It's not going to work.

Before we do the first one, but we go, George, what's up?

Yeah, I just wanted to add into that topic of what we could do for the grocery pandemic we did a little right now.

Dude, it's

a pandemic.

You're right.

Yes, it's a pandemic for sure.

I was

thinking mostly It's more I'm thinking more so what we could do is like get like like start opening greenhouses You know I'm saying if we gonna do the food co-op I think especially over at midtown we got the space for it.

We could do like a Greenhouse flash food co-ops and then you could get the other stuff that I know people won't like they need to stuff like that but then also have that force of

fresh food coming in daily somewhere that you know that you can easily access it.

You don't want to worry about going outside of the city for for sorry.

Vegetables and fruits, you

know, I mean, that's right.

That's right.

Man, you know, that makes so much sense because I think so, George, where so you would put it?

Where is the first place you put it?

I will put it over there in

midtown where they was trying to put that.

I believe that's where they're trying to put that data center.

Yup.

I will put that over there.

They asked that out, so they're not putting the data center there.

Where else would you put it?

Where's the second place?

Second place?

Oh, that's a good question.

Let me think.

Probably somewhere like closer to North Avenue, like on the north side.

I know we got a lot of buildings over there.

Maybe even that Milwaukee, the close Milwaukee mall, you know, even, even somewhere like over there.

Yeah.

Just somewhere where it'd be easily accessible, you know, uh, somewhere that they took the, oh, even that ticket save over there that they closed down on 35th.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just somewhere that they, where, where it would make sense.

Like y'all won't, y'all want to bring something to the economy, right?

That's what the, uh, businesses or not the businesses, but that's what the city will want.

So we'll do something like that.

That's gone.

always be in need.

I like that.

Man, George, thank you.

I really appreciate you, man.

Any time.

Yes, sir.

So I think that, um, I think this is a really, really good conversation.

I really think, I really think this concept is breaking the chains of corporate ownership.

That's one.

I think also this is, this can take ages of effort.

But also we need the wisdom of the community to make this happen.

I, before we went to break, I talked about, talked about outpost natural foods, outpost natural foods can play a big role in this.

They're, they're actually, they actually have a black CEO.

His name is Ray Simkins.

And if we can, if somebody knows who, where to find Ray, please pull them out to pull them out the office and bring them on.

We can bring them on to the show.

and we can have a conversation.

Matter of fact, we can bring him in with the mayor, and we can talk about this.

It doesn't have to be a said partnership, but we can talk about how this can work.

And we can bring in Venus Williams, we can bring in Will Allen, we can bring in Adriely Ellis, we can bring in multiple people to really have a roundtable discussion.

We need people who are actually food innovators.

And then we can bring in the politicians to talk about how this can be done because we need not just the city to have an investment in it, but we also need private privately owned operators, even if they are a co-op to talk about this, this system, this food apartheid.

It's not only do we need to do that, but we, if you look at New Orleans.

place like if you ever been to New Orleans, New Orleans has a really rich history of and shout out to my, shout out to my, uh, my good friends out there, my cousins out there, my cousin cat.

And also shout out to my, my homie, Reg.

Shout out to y'all in the family.

What I learned is that New Orleans has this really rich history of making homes into like restaurants and.

different types of stores, like actual homes on blocks.

Maybe the grocery store doesn't sit in a said place.

Maybe the grocery store sits in the middle of the block, in a large home.

A city-owned home doesn't take a lot.

And when we set up many little MI grocery stores, little grocery stores.

And then we do like mobile grocery stores.

So it becomes an abundance of food, an abundance of healthy food, healthy, nutritious food that people can eat on.

It's simple.

We got this guy who comes in from the south.

He brings watermelon.

That's mobile.

That's a mobile grocery store.

Got another person who comes in.

to Milwaukee and what does he bring peaches?

This is those are mobile grocery stores.

They're selling a mono fruit, one fruit.

But what if we had someone who shopped with them and put it on their cart on their truck in their mini grocery store and then shop and then we get we go to those people.

What if Milwaukee City of Milwaukee had a city owned grocery store?

Not what if Milwaukee needs a city-owned grocery store to keep prices lower.

That's, that is the issue.

And one thing the caller made right was that during the pandemic, these companies price were, they, they upped, they raised the prices, which they adjusted their price.

It's called price anchoring.

They made prices higher.

They make prices higher with the same products you were buying at a lower cost prior to the pandemic.

And then they kept the prices high.

And then it's saying that they're offering you discounts by like, you know, give you coupons and stuff like that.

When in reality they're going back down to the back down to half the original price.

This is, this is what they're doing.

Simple economics to pay for what?

To pay for their Porsche, pay for their.

Lexus they for their house in the suburbs whatever wherever they're doing they we're paying for so Would mobile grocery stores work?

With mobile grocery stores work would Would Can you turn corner stores into healthy markets does the does the Does the city can the city have any regulation?

on this cities instead of building new stores, right?

We can help convenience stores carry fresh produce and products, lean meat, healthy milk, healthy snacks, just instead of chips, soda and candy.

People are tired of that.

People know that.

San Francisco is proposing funds to help transform neighborhood corner stores.

into affordable grocery markets.

Where is the money?

Where's the money coming from?

This is what we need to adjust to look for.

Many stores, many cities are now doubling snap dollars.

You spend 10, you receive 20.

$20 worth of fruits and vegetables.

So this increases healthy eating and it supports local farmers.

Grocery incentive programs, supporting CSAs,

Some cities, they help grocery stores by offering tax incentives.

This, this is, this is all real life information.

This is real life information.

So instead of creating grocery ownership, think about it.

We got enough churches.

We got enough nonprofits, enough philanthropists, enough black.

entrepreneurs, enough health systems, enough universities, enough foundations could Milwaukee build its own grocery ecosystem, whereas healthy competition, healthy competition all over the city.

And instead of depending on national chains, Kroger, Meyer, really these small grocery chains should have their own

conglomerate and compete with those large chains.

Y'all could win as long as you come together.

So imagine City of Milwaukee gave your, your neighborhood $10 million tomorrow.

Would you rather have a new pick and save and a community owned groceries, cooperative, a city owned grocery store or dozens of fresh food markets?

Milwaukee, what would you build?

I'ma go to the chat just a little bit.

Teresa Stubblesfield, 703 said, hi, the greenhouse on Silver Springs for sale.

The greenhouse, the greenhouse, the greenhouse.

Oh, by the military outfit is for sale.

It would be perfect.

Yes, it would be.

Yes, it would be.

Shout out to Will Allen.

He was there prior to that.

Yeah, it would be.

Guaranteed.

So food apartheid.

isn't just about groceries, it's about ownership.

If we don't own the places that feed us, we don't control one of the most important parts of our health.

And maybe, and just maybe, the next civil rights movement isn't just about voting rights or housing, those are important.

Highly important because you're still being attacked.

Maybe it's about who owns the food on our block.

Maybe if we just

If we start where they don't, where they're not necessarily attacking us so much, because they're, they're heavily attacking voting rights, heavily attacking housing, heavily.

All of they say, we need more housing.

They're sending developers in, they're sending their developers in.

What if we, what if we say we need, we need food and we just start there, we start small, like New Orleans is done.

When we come back.

We're going to talk some more about.

our food systems, and we're gonna talk about colonization.

What did France do that we can do also?

We'll be back in two.

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See, I'm going to go to our next section.

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Oh, this is crazy, crazy day.

This is a wild day.

It's a wild day.

I'm going to leave you right there, Zach.

Just pick up where I left off.

So we just got finished with a big, big topic about Milwaukee groceries.

And we need people to step on the gas.

Maybe I'm maybe I'm talking about this a lot because I'm hungry.

Or it's because so many people are hungry.

We got to figure it out.

Now let me take you somewhere else that most of y'all never learned in the Wisconsin history class.

Before statehood, before Wisconsin became statehood, there was this place called the Cheyenne Valley on Vernon County.

The largest black farming settlement Wisconsin ever had almost 150 black folks at its peak.

Most of them formerly enslaved, building a farming community, absolutely nothing.

Nothing there.

They were cooperating like they were, you know, cooperating means that they were bothering and sharing tools and sharing land and stuff like that.

Sharing survival.

You know, they're sharing that survival in Wisconsin.

It gets cold up here too.

Down in Grant County, there was Pleasant Ridge.

So two brothers Charles and Isaac Shepard showed up in 1848 as newly freed men.

They worked another man's land just enough to buy their own 200 acres.

And by 1895, the settlers of Pledgewood Bridge owned over 700 acres together.

And that's not a footnote.

That's like, that's real life.

They owned over 700 acres.

So that's an empire that's built with nothing but hands and determination, desire.

700 acres, that's a lot of land.

But I gotta give you the full weight of it, too.

Right there, right here in Wisconsin, we have Madison, the black family name, the Henderson's Farm, the South Side for decades.

Then in 1927, the white man murdered the family son and the grandson over a rumor.

We're gonna talk about these rumors, too, because I got a rumor I want to share with y'all.

A rumor somebody said something negative about white folks, of course.

The family had to close the farm and sell the land and it was gone.

So that's Wisconsin.

That's our history.

That is our history.

So black farmers have nearly tripled in Wisconsin since two thousand and two.

They're real people.

They're they're here right here in Wisconsin.

And carrying this forward is a few people Kingsley go born.

They're smoking chickens out in Mount Horep and use of Ben Rella.

They're growing heirloom, afro, their sport crops through trade routes.

This is, man, this is absolutely amazing.

This article came out and I'm just, I'm excited.

This is great.

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