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We're gonna have some great conversations today

also have two special guests who will be in the studio at the five o'clock hour.

Brother David Muhammad will be joining us as well as Jeremy Triplett.

So please tune in at five o'clock.

But first, before we jump into the headlines, the stories, responsibilities, all of those great things, right?

How are you?

I want you to check in with you.

How are you?

How is your spirit?

How is your peace?

When was the last time you told yourself that you are proud of the person that you are becoming right?

Every one of us has survived a season where we never thought we would and Some of us has carried grief while still going to work Some of us are smiling for our children while fighting battles that no one else can see and some of us were so busy being the strong one

that we forgot strong people need rest support and tenderness to including myself.

There is no award for suffering in silence.

You are allowed to ask for help.

You most definitely are allowed to grow beyond the person people remember.

So today, the affirmation, I want you to challenge the idea that peace means being quiet.

Peace is not pretending injustice doesn't exist.

Peace is the discipline of keeping your spirit intact while you do what your purpose requires.

It is possible to stand for something without losing yourself.

You can also love people and still set boundaries.

You can also be compassionate and still ask our questions.

So before we jump into the news, I just want to let you guys know what my daily affirmation is for today.

I will not allow.

the weight of the world to steal the joy that God has placed within me.

I am growing.

I am healing.

I am becoming everything that I was created to be.

What I cannot control, I release.

And what I can change, I approach with wisdom, courage and faith.

Today, this day, I choose peace without surrendering.

My purpose.

Now think about one good thing that happened this week.

Even if it's small, a phone call, a trip, a second chance to laugh, whatever it is, understand that gratitude does not mean ignoring hardship.

It means hardship does not get to tell the entire story of your life.

And that is how we are beginning this afternoon, grounded, hopeful and ready to learn.

And obviously, I am not just speaking to you all.

I am speaking to myself as well.

I am speaking to myself as well.

I always say there's a lot that goes on in our lives and sometimes, especially if you are the head, right, of your family or, you know, the one everybody comes to.

At some point, you know, your body begins to be tired, you know, the strong people need people as well.

Not just because of what we're doing physically, but there's also a spiritual warfare that is ahead of us.

And for those of us who are doing the work in many different ways, battle fatigue and the voice of Chairman Fred Hampton Jr.

is the real thing.

And your girl had battle fatigue, right?

Time to switch up some things and prioritize some things to ensure that, you know,

I am joyful and that I have enough energy to complete my calling.

And I'm asking you all to do the same thing.

So as we approach the end of this week, just remind yourself that you deserve grace.

Give yourself some grace.

Give yourself some love, right?

We all get up every day to do everything for everybody else.

So this weekend, take time to do something for you.

And please remember that it is OK to say no.

It is OK to say no.

No has become my favorite word in.

Oh, no, to the hill, to the now, to the now, now, now.

No, I cannot.

So with that being said, today, we are going to talk about a story that has captured.

America's attention over the past year.

I know everybody has seen this video clip a little over a year ago.

I'm talking about my good brother, Rotney Hinton, Hinton, Jr.

of Cincinnati, Ohio.

This is the brother who the police department there assassinated his son.

And in retaliation, you know, he did what he did.

And now he is pleading insanity in which I.

I have, I'm not opposed to that.

No opposition whatsoever.

And the judge who is currently residing over his case has dismissed the capital charges of the death penalty.

Doesn't mean he won't get life.

Doesn't mean he won't get charged.

But again, this is a situation that we all have been following for quite some time, including the most notorious video of him inside of the courtroom.

walking past, you know, all of the county sheriff's department and police officers who were looking at him in an intimidating way.

And he glided past him with his head up high and his shoulders back, standing 10 toes about his child as any parent would do.

So as we approach the break, when we come back, I want to take

that same compassion that I was just referring to into a hard national conversation.

Again, Rodney Hinton Jr.

in Cincinnati lost his teenage son in a police assassination.

He is now on trial for the death of a deputy.

We are going to examine the facts, the mental health evidence, and the human lives behind the headlines.

We can be clear-eyed and compassionate at the same.

Time so Obviously the phone lines will remain open a 3 3 2 1 2 1 0 1 7 We have seen this story Familiar stories numerous of times, but I have to you know be honest when I say there's nothing that I am more proud of than to see that in the face of adversity in the midst of adversity that this brother Continues to stand 10 toes

for his seed by any means necessary.

So after this break, before Rodney, Hinton Jr.

was a defendant, we must understand that he was a father.

So we're gonna start with that timeline and the human cost.

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Today, we are talking about our good brother, Rodney Hinton Jr., coming straight out of Cincinnati, Ohio.

So I know a little over a year ago, you guys are very familiar with this story and this case.

This is the brother whose son was gunned down by Cincinnati Police Department.

Might I add the officer who did?

uh, assassinate this young man has, uh, plenty of complaints on his record and in retaliation or in response to, I'm not gonna say retaliation in response to his actions, um, his son respond, I'm sorry, the father, Rodney Hinton, Jr., uh, responded the way that he did by running down this officer with his vehicle.

And, uh, his trial has officially started in the city of Cincinnati.

The judge has officially announced that the death penalty death penalty is off of the table We got a clip brother zero that clip

What

you guys

heard was an opening statement from Brother Hinton's lawyer as well as the prosecutors so

According to Fox 19 now in Cincinnati, the Cincinnati man accused of hitting and killing a retired Hamilton County deputy with the vehicle has changed his plea during his court hearing on January 15th.

Rodney Hinton Jr.

changed his plea from not guilty to guilty by reason of insanity for the May 2025 killing of Deputy Larry Henderson.

The change comes right after Hamilton County common.

Please court judge Jody Lubbers announced she is dismissing the capital charges against Hinton thus officially dropping the death penalty She stated that he suffers from a qualifying serious mental illness Condition at the time of the commission of the capital offense in this case and therefore he satisfies the diagnosis requirement needed

She went on to say that Hinton's illness significantly impaired his rational judgment and thinking.

She also mentioned that Mr. Hinton, the death penalty as far as him is now off the table.

The judge says she came to this conclusion following a January 8th hearing regarding the suspect's mental health and prosecutor stipulation to drop the death penalty.

Deputy Henderson's wife, Laurie Henderson, was visibly upset.

Inside the courtroom after the judge announced her ruling I Want to say it I'm gonna say what we all know when it comes to other ethnicities You know Caucasians to be exact your impeans white people whatever you refer them as Their cases there are always majority of them are always able to plead insanity and I think that History has shown

that that is really the case when it comes to our people and in black and brown people.

And I think that that determination by the judge was fair.

Based off of whatever evidence was presented, even if that evidence was not presented, grief is mental illness, right?

And this is something that we talked about before.

Grief most definitely is a form of mental illness.

So I want that to be, I wanted to state that.

publicly in case anyone was wondering what side of the fence I'm on.

I am most definitely on Rodney Hinton Junior side.

So before Rodney Hinton was a headline, before the criminal charges in courtroom cameras, he was a father.

His son, Ryan, was 18 years old when he was fatally assassinated by Cincinnati police.

on May 1st of 2025.

The next day, his father, who is currently on trial, Rodney Hinton Jr.

watched the body camera footage connected to that shooting.

And later on, on May 2nd, retired Hamilton County Deputy Larry Henderson, who was working a traffic assignment near the University of Cincinnati, was struck and killed by a vehicle that was driven by Rodney Hinton.

So.

These are the facts that brings us to the trial.

They do not tell us everything about the state of mind, the person behind the wheel was in, but if you are a parent, even if you aren't a parent, you can somewhat imagine the feelings that can possibly take over you, right?

Especially when you...

get the opportunity to actually see the footage that is extremely detrimental and can be extremely detrimental to someone's health, especially someone who happens to be the parent.

So again, if you are a parent, just imagine receiving that phone call.

Imagine a lifetime of birthdays, all of these encounters and experiences you had with your child, right?

And obviously, you know, everybody is not going to agree with his actions.

However, when it comes to this particular situation, I'm going to publicly say that I understand.

I understand why he did with what he did.

And I empathize with him.

I don't sympathize with him.

I empathize with him.

I support Rodney Hinton, Jr.

Receiving a genuinely fair trial that fully considers.

the mental illness evidence and the extraordinary trauma of losing his son.

And if I'm not mistaken, there are articles that have been released and published that explains his childhood and some of the things that he went through.

And oftentimes in our community, we know that, you know, all it takes is that one time for something to happen and then we break and you can imagine that

During that moment, that was his breaking point on top of everything else that he had already been through.

So during this trial, I'm not mistaken.

Today is the first day of this trial.

Apparently a woman illegally recorded potential juror in writing hits in junior trial.

So the Hamilton County prosecutors are asking a judge to hold a woman in contempt after she

Allegedly recorded potential jurors in the Rodney Hinton junior murder trial on courthouse property this week, despite a strict order forbidding it.

Sheryl Fuller faces a charge of indirect contempt after prosecutors alleged she knowingly filmed, photographed, and otherwise recorded one or more potential jurors Tuesday court record show.

The state's motions.

says Fuller was already once admonished once by Hamilton County Common Court Judge Jody Lubbers and signed an order bearing recording any juror or a prospective juror.

So the prosecutor's alleged recording violates that order and they want the judge to hold her in indirect contempt.

I believe that they should as well.

I think anybody who goes to court or

When you are selected to be a juror or whatever the case may be, these are some of the rules that they explain to you.

Even if you are not a juror, these are some of the rules that they explain to you.

What I am interested to know is if she had any connection with the defendant or, you know, the other side.

But yeah, she to me, that was that was done like that was just dumb period.

That is something that I would not advise anybody.

entering into a courtroom, especially when it comes to this type of situation because you want to make sure that this man receives a fair trial in totality.

I don't know a lot about Cincinnati.

Other than the system at the Ohio players and in the music and things of that nature I haven't I've only been there once I haven't spent a lot of time there So I am unsure what the climate is like But as this trial continues to go on I am going to do a little bit more Research because I am interested in seeing or figuring out you know what the climate is overall when it comes to

This particular situation prior to the situation.

They said that this officer who assassinated Roddy Hinton Junior's son was already I believe he had over several complaints and That is an issue.

That's not just the issue for me That's an issue period because as we're sitting here watching this trial And yes, we are proud for this brother for walking past all of those

officers with his head up high, right?

Showing them that they cannot break him.

Although I am extremely proud of that.

What hurts the most is the fact that this officer has had over several complaints prior to him taking this man's son life and yet he is not on trial.

This is what we talk about when we talk about preventative work, right?

How do you prevent things like this from happening?

We all know that

You know, a lot of people say one bad apple don't ruin the tree, but in this case, one corrupt officer means that the entire department is corrupt, right?

If someone from 101.7, the truth does something that's embarrassing, is going to reflect the entire station.

So I never understood, nor will I ever understand anyone who says that one officer, not all officers are bad.

If this officer has

over several complaints and uh nothing was done about it prior to him assassinating Rodney Hinton Jr son then that is a problem and he most definitely needs to be on trial as well the fact that

Rodney Hinton Jr.

is on trial and he has a justifiable mental health illness.

Even the judge has determined him of having a justifiable mental health illness is insane to me.

And obviously, you know, at some point, we hope that, you know, the family does seek some type of justice when it comes to this officer being on trial as well.

But this is just another example.

What happens in America when it comes to our black babies being murdered by the police department?

So What does a family need immediately after a police shooting?

Independent counseling a crisis professional a support person when footage is shown We should be discussing those protections long before another family is in crisis.

This is not a claim that anyone service would

have prevented this death.

It is a question about responsible institutions, old, grieving people.

What do they owe grieving people?

So after this break, the actual charges, the competing courtroom arguments and why the insanity defense is far more specific than saying somebody was heartbroken and she grew a jazz toddler.

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So, if you are just now joining us today, I am going over the Rodney Hinton Jr.

Trial.

You all are familiar with this case, maybe not with the name, but this is the brother who son was gunned down by Cincinnati Police in 2025.

And his trial, he's currently on trial for running over an officer as a response to what the officer is, not this particular officer, but what the police department had did to his son.

This is the brother who went viral for walking in the courtroom with his head held high and his shoulders back as the officer stood there, intimidating him and his family members.

Again, he's currently on trial in the judge.

has officially ruled out the death penalty.

She also admitted that he does qualify to plead insentity because she does believe that he has mental illness.

So let's go directly to the court record and reporting.

So on May 8th of 2025, Hamilton County prosecutors announced an indictment that included two aggravated...

aggravated murder counts, one murder count, and two felony assault counts.

So later proceedings changed the death penalty posture of the case.

Reporting in February of 2026 identified the remaining counts as murder and two counts of felony assault after capital charges were removed.

Please do not confuse the original indictment with

the current trial posture.

So Rodney Hinton has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.

His attorney Clyde Bennett II says serious mental illness existed well before Ryan, which is Rodney's son passed away.

And that the experience of viewing the footage compounded his condition.

courtroom reporting describes bipolar.

and schizophrenic diagnosis, psychiatric hospitalization, and other treatments that Rodney had taken or had prior to his son being murdered by a Cincinnati Police Department.

Those are reported clinical and courtroom facts, not diagnosis.

So again, he has been diagnosed prior to his son being murdered, being schizophrenic, bipolar.

and he has been in the mental health institution.

So the prosecution argues the driving was intentional and that Rodney understood the wrongfulness of his conduct.

Prosecutor Heidi Rosales described video evidence that in the state's interpretation shows him navigating traffic and accelerating towards Officer Henderson.

The defense disputes his capacity to understand.

the wrongfulness of his actions.

Importantly, WCPO reports that the expert opinions are divided.

A court appointed expert and a state expert did not find the legal standard met while a defense expert reached a different conclusion.

Before I go any further, I just want to say this.

I don't know if there is some type of law or whatever the case may be as it pertains to what I'm about to say, but.

Maybe they should check or have the parents or the victims parents fill out some type of form when it comes to Acknowledging mental health because if you I'm not a psychiatrist or Any doctor or therapist anything like that, but I can imagine that if I know someone has someone is schizophrenic and bipolar I would refuse to show them a video of their child

being gunned down by a police officer.

That's just me.

That makes perfect sense.

And that would be something that I would argue, and even I was a lawyer or his lawyer for that matter.

Why was he even shown the video?

Obviously, he's the parent.

We understand that.

But is there some type of protocol for situations like this?

Because I can imagine something like that can trigger someone who has mental health issues.

So...

Ohio's insanity standard acts whether because of a severe mental disease or defect, a person did not know the wrongfulness of the acts at that time.

It is not enough merely to establish sorrow, anger or a diagnosis.

That is why the jury must examine expert testimony and evidence about the moment itself.

We also heard about Deputy Henderson's widow.

Testifying about the last time she saw her husband alive.

Um, the point of a fair trial is not to select the family who pains count the most.

It is to examine all admissible evidence under the law.

Um, so what I do understand too, or what I, what I do hope to happen is that they also bring, while they have the officer's wife on the stand, uh, you know, not to discredit her loss.

Because humans are humans and when anybody lose someone they love, whether they are in the wrong or right, you know, there's pain with that.

However, you know, we all know this tactic, right?

We want the loving older white wife who husband apparently was a monster because he has had numerous of complaints.

incidents when it came to when it comes to citizens in the city of Cincinnati, I do hope I Do hope that they bring these complaints up During this trial because it matters It matters.

So here's the hard question of this hour If the legal system accepts that serious mental illness can fundamentally alter a person's understanding

Are we prepared to examine that possibility even when the alleged act horrifies us?

And are we equally prepared to acknowledge the pain of the person who died?

At the end of the day, there are numerous situations where you've seen them not only just in this country, but in Wisconsin specifically, where a lot of Caucasians and Europeans tend to, you know, use the mental health thing and

That's not always the correct.

It's not always correct meaning that they don't always have mental health issues is just the easy way for them to avoid doing jail time and History has shown that whenever person of the opposite ethnicity such as a person who is black or brown attempts to that that is an issue and that is not justifiable and this is a case where evidently again this judge has

Did everything possible to look through I can imagine?

Doctor notes, you know visits hospitalizations inside of the mental Institute all of the above and Determined that he in fact Is it is justifiable for him to plead insanity?

So I think initially Rodney Hinton pleaded guilty, but because he does have a record of being schizophrenic and bipolar and being admitted into a mental health hospital that

he qualifies for the dismissal of the death penalty as well as the prosecutors stating that he is not eligible to be ruled as mental or have mental illness, which in fact he does.

And the moral of the story with this particular case is that it's sad.

You know, it's sad first and foremost because

A, he is struggling with mental health.

And some of the articles I was reading, it didn't just stem from his son, it started in his childhood and it's been ongoing.

And he has seeked help and received some type of assistance, even to the point where he had to be, you know, sent the way to a mental institution.

But the other side of that is the fact that none of this would have.

Happened had that officer been off of the street the fact that he had numerous of complaints When it comes to how he choose to deal with the citizens in this is city of Cincinnati You know was enough evidence to say that maybe he does not belong on the streets and because that specific police department Do what most police departments do when it comes to situations like this

They brushed it off or maybe, you know, he's a part of the good old boys club and they still allowed him to be on the streets.

He ended up taking another person's life and it just so happened that person like he took that father was not going.

He wasn't going.

He was standing 10 toes, 10 toes to the ground.

And, you know, some things you can, you know, you can view as mental health, but I think that's just his character.

I think that, you know, looking at him and when he held his head high, um, again, I'm not a therapist, so I can't say for sure.

But to me, um, that brother, that brother still tells because the worst thing you would want to do is, uh, you know, make people who are affiliated with the person of murdering your child feel as if they are able to break you down, right?

Um, and it kind of felt like, you know, I seen the viral clip last year and, you know, again, I was, I was supporting him because, um, until you lose a child, you don't understand what that feels like.

And I think a lot of the officers who was in that courtroom that day was filled with arrogance.

They began to antagonize his family, um, even though his family wasn't doing anything.

And, um, this is also a story that has, uh, gone quiet for quite some time, you know, and.

I say that to say that I want to make sure us, we the people that we start paying attention and keeping up with these stories because our brothers and our sisters in situations like this need our support.

They still need us to fight for them.

The same way, you know, we fighting for Nolan Wells case, the same way we fight for the sisters and the people who were being hung in Mississippi.

And it was a, we know that the older gentlemen who was charged is probably.

not the person who did it, we have to continue to fight for brothers like Rodney Hinton Jr.

as well.

That is important.

So we got to go to break after the break.

Uh, the courtroom can decide criminal responsibility, but who addresses the trauma that remains in the family and community at the five o'clock hour.

Um, my good brother, David Muhammad, Muhammad will be stopping by as well as Jeremy triplet.

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If you are just now joining us today, we are talking about our good brother straight out of Cincinnati, Ohio, Rodney Hinton, Jr.

I know you all probably remember this.

situation in May of 2025 when an officer who has a record of Violent acts with citizens in Cincinnati gunned down Rodney son assassinating him and in return his reaction to the officers action was to run over another officer Well, he is not on trial and previously he was facing the death penalty and the judge today ruled that that is off the table

He no longer is going to be faced in the death penalty and also that she believes and agrees with his attorney that he indeed qualifies to plead insanity.

based off of his medical history.

So Roddy apparently has a history of bipolar, actual diagnosis.

So this isn't anything that is speculation.

He has an actual diagnosis of bipolar is schizophrenia and a history of being hospitalized inside of mental institutions.

So if you are still unfamiliar with what I'm talking about, this situation is the situation that I'm referring to with the viral clip of the brother who was inside of the courtroom.

And you see about 30 officers who were looking at him in an intimidating way.

And what he did was walk right past him with his head up high and his shoulders back, 10 toes, right?

And, you know, everybody was rooting for him.

But my call to action for our people is let's make sure that we continue to show up and root for him.

Let's not get excited about a viral clip.

Yes, it does feel good to see a black man, a father stand up against all of those people inside of that room, despite of the fact that he was, you know, he is on trial by himself, meaning that the officer is not on trial.

You know, but we have to make sure that we continue to.

Obviously support him so I want to ask something bigger than one case When an officer kills or assassinate someone we hear about the evidence collection We hear about the internal review We hear about the findings in the use of force policy But who actually takes responsibility for the family who has to live with that aftermath?

Who makes sure is that the mother can sleep?

who helps the father with pre-existing mental illness navigate through the next 24 hours, who checks on the siblings and children who may have seen footage online.

So authorities previously found the shooting of Ryan Hinton justified.

That is illegal in an investigative finding.

It does not make the emotional loss disappear So we should be able to distinguish a determination about an officer's conduct from the family's need for care transparency and dignity so the fact that they you know assumed or concluded that his his assassination against

that Mansons was justifiable.

I think that, you know, would it be fair to say that this is justifiable?

I'm not saying that you should go out and, you know, run people over with the cars, but he does have a mental illness.

I think that is the point of view that the judge is coming from.

He has a mental illness, and it is our responsibility in these roles and with these titles to make sure that we understand that because if someone is schizophrenic,

and bipolar.

Why in the world would you show them a video of their child being ran over?

I get it.

He is the parent, right?

But who is next to Ken?

Who is after him?

Because you are setting him up to fail.

You are purposely showing him something that is triggering and can be triggering and can cause something.

That is insane to me.

That right there is not justifiable.

And there should be some type of law or something set in place to where there's a prescreening prior to that because it doesn't make sense.

Again, that could have been prevented.

His reactions could have been prevented.

Probably had he not.

I don't know.

I can't say if he didn't see the video that he wouldn't have done what he done.

But I can imagine him seeing that video, especially the next 24 hours after he get the call, that that can be traumatic, obviously, and that that will cause him to react the way that he did.

But there should be some type of protocol in situations like this.

Nevertheless, again, there should be some type of accountability if an officer is involved with this.

of a citizen and he has over several He has over several Complaints and yet he is still out in the streets He is still out in the streets.

So I want I want our institutions to think beyond the press conference, right?

I want our institutions to do more.

I'm not talking about the sea of Milwaukee because we have some great people on the ground who is doing the work and who understands his work, but just the institutions overall.

I have a question for the listeners to do.

Do we only talk about mental health when the consequences become public?

Do we understand that people may be grieving and mentally ill at the same time?

Can we demand accountability and demand treatment access?

I believe.

Absolutely that community mature enough to confront hard truths must be capable of all of these things.

I do think that we talk about mental health a lot.

But I think that we have to understand that there are the other side.

They talk about all of this training and yet they still fail.

They still fail to do what it is that they're supposed to do.

And I am just tired of the excuse that.

Um, you know, obviously they're going to always say it's justified, but I am so tired of the excuse of them, uh, assuming or, or stating that they are in fear whenever they approach someone of color, right?

Because, uh, history has shown that, um, we have not been as violent as them, right?

We have not.

His son didn't have a record, but that officer did.

His son Rodney Hinton junior son Ryan Hinton did not have a record But that officer did I don't care what they say the allegations were I don't care what the allegations are as to why they Justified him assassinate his son, but the moral of the story is this man is on trial

Because his son was stopped did not have a record and was assassinated yet the officer who put him over has a record and has complaints make it make sense Make it make sense because that does not make sense To me whatsoever And a few minutes at the five o'clock hour, you know, I always talk about That I am if I don't if I'm not in these positions.

I can only give my opinion

But what I can do is bring people on who have more knowledge than me, not to just back me up, but to provide truth and facts.

So at the five o'clock hour, our good brother, David Muhammad, who is the deputy director of Milwaukee County Health and Human Services, along with Jeremy Triblad.

Um, is going to join us.

So brother Mohammed has worked in violence provision, uh, youth focused programs.

Um, he is, uh, you know, in the community heavily has been for quite some time.

Um, and he has a host of experience when it comes to dealing with situations like this.

So, uh, we're going to, you know, ask him, obviously.

get some background on him and the work he's done, but I want to get his opinion on this coming from someone who is actually in this field at a government level, right?

Obviously, he can only speak to what happens here in the city of Milwaukee, but hopefully...

The city of Cincinnati can adapt to some of the methods that is used here when it comes to situations like this and let's be clear You know we've you know a few weeks back.

I talked about downtown Hamilton J. Anderson You know Derrick Williams God rest they so in similar situations to this

So obviously it's everywhere.

But again, you know, there has to be something done when it comes to the protocols, right?

Yes.

Again, this officer should not have been on the street, but we cannot expect a system that was not built for us to protect us.

We just can't.

We simply can't.

What we can do, though, is enforce laws and push for legislation.

And there should absolutely be a protocol when it comes to someone showing someone with mental health issues, evidence pertaining to their loved one being murdered.

um knowing that that can potentially trigger them or prompt them to do something that um they you know they may regret or may not regret so it's five o'clock well 455

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Thank you so much for joining us

So before we jump into it, I felt compelled to go over some of your background.

Brother Mohammed, I know you.

I know a lot of our listeners know you.

But sometimes people forget the work that you put in.

So currently you are the deputy director of the Department of Health and Human Services for the Milwaukee County.

You have been a committed community leader who has dedicated his career, not just your career, but your life to improving the quality of life for our people here in the city of Milwaukee and surrounding areas.

So prior to this, you served as the program manager for the City of Milwaukee Health Department's Office of Violence and Prevention.

You also extended the County's trauma response team partnership.

You developed 401 for life.

You oversaw community engagement for the blueprint for peace, the city's first violence prevention framework.

At the Milwaukee County, you launched a credible messenger program, oversaw the development of the new Marcia P. Cox building, diversified the DHHS contracts and provider network, and helped lead DHHS public health collaborations.

Your work has been nationally recognized.

You have been presented with numerous institutions, media, and public forums.

You challenge your passion for art and music into professional roles at various civic-minded organizations around Milwaukee, developing a creative and engaging curriculum and programs designed to reach young people for a place of authenticity.

You have work with the Boys and Club, Girls Club of Greater Milwaukee, the Silver Spring Neighborhood Center, our next generation.

You have a bachelor's in history from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, a certificate from the Latino nonprofit leadership class at the University of Wisconsin as well.

And I know that was kind of long-winded.

You read the LinkedIn bio.

Yeah.

I wanted to because when we talk about...

Certain things like you could talk about poverty you could talk about taxes and all of that But when we talk about mental health when we talk about crisis The crisis that our people are in drug addiction.

We have to talk about to somebody who is a credible messenger somebody who has actual history in work and doing this work so again Pardon the lengthy read but that was that was important to me so

My question to you is, first and foremost, for the listeners who aren't aware of your role, what do you do in your role currently?

Sure.

So I'm the deputy director of Department of Health and Human Services.

Effectively, it makes me the chief operations officer for the department.

DHHS oversees Milwaukee County homeless services, our youth justice, our children's disability programs, our older adult services, veteran services, child support services, and

you know, I think I might have missed something, but you know, it's the county's social service safety net.

Yeah.

And, you know, for us, we wanted to do as much to move the department upstream as possible.

Yeah.

So most folks know that the the 12th and Vali building we everybody called it the welfare building.

You know, when the state moved out of there, we stayed committed to that neighborhood.

And part of the work of DHHS is behavioral health services.

And so we put the

the Mental Health Emergency Center, which is a public-private partnership with healthcare systems for individuals experiencing a psychiatric crisis in the community.

And when we put that stake in the ground, we said, we can't leave this neighborhood because we're building an infrastructure and perhaps moving to find a new office space.

We built a new Marsha P. Coggs Health and Human Services building.

And we know that the foundation of health

really is basic human needs.

People can't be stable or have any kind of mental wellness if they're worried about where they're going to live, if they can't eat, if there is not some level of service navigation to connect them to those basic human needs and then identify where the areas for mental wellness need to be treated.

So from there, there was a project to develop

80 homes in the King Park neighborhood and then the King Park neighborhood center being redeveloped.

So those are kind of catalytic decisions that I get to be a part of with the director, our director, Shakita LeGrand McLean, good sister, real sister,

authentic

sister, and my friend in this work.

And we lead a department of upwards of a thousand people over 400 contracted partner agencies.

all of the services that people find in the community, we partner with those services.

And Milwaukee is a county.

It is 19 municipalities,

so

19 cities, 11 health departments, and it's big work, but we're doing this in service of community.

And so we lead that department, we lead our strategic efforts, and then we lead those partnerships for the betterment of Milwaukee County

residents.

Yes, and I must say,

When you were talking about the building on Swathe and Malik, as I ride around the city, this is the first time I think a lot of us has seen so many buildings pertaining to the Department of Health, which means that...

that area is being directly impacted, right?

You can drive down Belit, you can drive down Monroe, you can drive down multiple places and see that it's visible, which is something that I feel like we've always needed just to know that it was present.

So that's not kudos, but thank you for that.

Thank you for showing up for

that.

And it's a struggle to meet Milwaukee's needs.

together we can create healthy communities.

Absolutely.

And then also I want to personally give you your flowers because anytime I call you pick up, anytime I need something, it's like, hey, we're trying to do this.

You know, a lot of people don't know because it was behind closed doors, but you spearheaded me and Chairman Fred Hampton Jr.

and Sister Satchewa Shakur coming inside the prison, the youth detention facility, speaking with the youth on numerous occasions.

And shout out to Lothell Taylor.

Also multiple neighborhood events and community events as well.

So not only the public facing things that you do, but the things that happens behind scenes that people don't know.

If people don't get to hear about, I just wanted to give you your flowers for that.

Thank you for that.

Thank you for what you do.

I mean, my job is to open the door for community to come in and help our babies, help our older adults and help each other.

And the brother sitting next to me,

is a reflection of that.

I don't do this work alone.

I do it in a team.

And I'm very happy and proud of the team we have.

Lothel Taylor, you mentioned one.

Gina Wahee, Kelly Pethke.

So whole host of folks who I know care about young people.

And it is the kind of thing to have a Fred Hampton Jr.

talking to young people about the role of this government in oppressing our community and the possibilities that exist for

Black youth and poor people to overcome those circumstances.

To

have the sister of Tupac Amaro Shakur speak to the youth on multiple occasions.

And then even to show films like Judas and the Black Messiah

to

young people,

many of

whom are on supervision or have an electronic monitor

on their

ankle.

We have to dismantle and deconstruct the...

the mentality that's superimposed on the youth of our community and the systems that would profit from them falling into a trap of ignorance.

So we're doing our part in partnership.

Absolutely.

So at 5-12, we're going to go to a break when we come back.

We are going to tap into you, Jeremy, in your background.

Before we do, I want to ask you a question, Brother Muhammad.

What experience first convinced you that public service and violence prevention was your calling?

being a young person locked up in juvenile detention, being a young person who experienced a system that did not understand me.

As

I heard you talking about the case of that father, and we were saying before we came on the air that injustice breeds insanity.

And so when you look at the conditions that breed the instability in our community, we know that we're looking at a form of social engineering.

Yes.

And for me, I knew I was not the label that was placed on me.

And so I saw it.

You know, my personal journey was knowledge of self.

Yeah.

And so I became a student of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan and became active.

We're right on the anniversary of me and my March that experience inspired me to go back to my community and get involved.

And my whole life's work has been a work of paying it forward.

And so I have mentors, youth development, youth development has been my passion.

because there's a group of young people who need additional support, and they're not going to be the program ones who show up on time and always do their homework.

Absolutely.

And

so those are the kind of people that drive my spirit.

But at the same time, I look at a whole community that is in need of somebody to be a champion for them.

And that's what kind of guided me in that direction.

Yes.

And shout out to the Mohammed Mosque.

Is it number three on Berlin?

Yeah, so we was there a few weeks back and I brought some of my students and I grew up in a neighborhood.

So to see it alive over there and just the work y'all doing, not just in that neighborhood, but all over.

I just wanted to shout that out as well.

So we got to go to break when we come back.

I'm going to introduce Jeremy, the work that you are currently doing as well a little bit.

background about you.

And then I want to tap into your personal opinion on you guys's personal opinion on the Rodney Hinton Jr.

Trial as well as some of the challenges that we are facing currently in the city of Milwaukee.

So we got to go to break.

Brother Z, take us to break.

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I'm a god my good brother David Muhammad in Jeremy triplet here in the studio Jeremy you are currently the prevention coordinator at the Milwaukee County Behavioral Health Division.

Yeah,

thank you so much for joining us today I know I had a conversation with brother Muhammad But I wanted to tap in a little bit more to what it is that you do for the county.

Yeah

and your experience as well.

Yeah, then listen, I started off doing work in Urban Underground back when kind of executive David Carly worked there.

So you work with Beko?

Yeah,

yeah.

So Beko,

all the people, right?

Beko is our GM here.

Shout out to

Beko.

Beko knows my history too,

man.

So I always say I was blessed by the best and really raising this work from people who are amazing, right?

I can't say enough from all the folks that

God has blessed me with and put me around.

And so I didn't really have a choice in my mind.

as to what I would do.

I saw black and brown folks raise their hell in a community for the sake of justice and liberation, since I was 17 years old.

So that's just what I know.

It's not foreign to me.

It is the only thing you can do.

I like to say that my religion is liberation, justice, love, and service.

Give me the person who's teaching that.

And I want to partner in arms with that.

And so that's been beautiful for me.

So when you talk about, I call him Big Bro David Muhammad doing that word, coming

to

the county was easy.

When you look at leadership on a spiritual and social principle, when you look at who's leading, you understand where they're going.

And it makes you want to be a part of it.

Listen.

Listen.

It makes you be like, yeah, I do that.

Yeah.

Right?

And so when you talk about somebody that was born in Milwaukee, born and raised, living off 41st and Keith, it's important for me to not just see.

folks who look like me, but see folks who mean how I mean, who talk how I talk, who intend the way that I intend.

And so we come to serve, right?

And so I get the privilege of supervising a team of folks who do work in prevention.

And the idea is that we want to prevent as many people from needing the services that we have in Milwaukee County as possible.

And so we partner with folks to make sure that their bad day don't become their worst day.

We make sure folks have the resources that they need.

But they also see themselves as a resource for us to self and service the other people.

Yes.

Yes.

So one of the things you talked about that is so important.

I just want to highlight is the correct leadership.

And the reason is important, not just because you want to lead, but because when you have correct leadership in place, it makes it easier for people like us that come from where we come

from

to want to do the work, right?

And then they begin to, you know, pull you up as well.

And then you become a resource.

So shout out to Brother David Muhammad and anybody who always reaches back.

That's extremely important.

So.

I got a question for you.

What so far has this work taught you in this specific role?

That's a good question.

I think the work, lately what I've been learning is to pay close attention to how I show up in rooms.

Many times when you're new to your work and you're younger, you're showing up and trying to prove you're the best.

When you evolve, you start realizing

that you can set a temperature in the room to pull out other people's best.

And so I need to learn that piece and do it really well because there's people who we need.

If you're doing it by yourself, I was talking to somebody on Facebook about this.

Many times we get mad because folks ain't helping.

And what I start reflecting on is if my work, if I'm the only one that can do my work, I cannot claim that it's bigger than

me.

I just can't do that, right?

And so how are we involving, pulling people up, giving room for their voices in the rooms that we show up here?

So for me, that's the season that I'm in and all the rooms that I step into.

And it's been beautiful.

It's been beautiful seeing so many people step into this work and shine.

And that's what we need when we talk about our young people.

So many ways they are taught.

to be silent and to be unseen.

And when they begin to cry for help or just cry out with the voice, that's also condemned.

But you gave us no other choice, right?

And we will speak and we will be heard, right?

And so we need to make room for that continuously.

And I think the second thing is that this is a lifestyle,

not a vocation.

So I was doing a session in community around liberation.

And what we're talking about was this contention.

And the idea is that the systems that try to control us are contending with us.

And if you don't intend to contend with it, then you intend to be controlled by it.

And so as a lifestyle, we are moving to work, doing the work, we're causing hails, and we're trying to make sure we don't just tear something down.

But more importantly, we build something else that can replace it.

That's right.

And if I could just add, I mean,

We're speaking about what moves us and what motivates our work and how we work together.

We're moving resources in the direction of, I would say, it's an important to call this out, of grassroots harm reduction efforts.

We've seen an increase in overdose deaths among black men of a certain age.

It's not something that we're talking about as a community.

But in other communities, they call it diseases of despair.

But the type of frustration that we see in our community that leads to substance abuse is because of a real lack of affirmation or connection or a loss of purpose.

So I'll drink my pain away or I'll smoke my pain

away.

Or if you're looking at the young people out there, the pill popping or the type of weed that is inducing psychosis in our community, these are things that are driven by social factors and they're made worse.

by the type of things that are put in our community's hands, whether it's drugs, alcohol, weapons or destructive lifestyles.

So, you know, Jeremy leads a campaign called Better Ways to Cope.

And we received a huge amount of money as Milwaukee County in settlement dollars because of the impact of overdose deaths in our communities.

And what has been done with that is organizations throughout the community are receiving

support to go and provide both behavioral health services, harm reduction efforts, and show healthy lifestyles.

So partners like the Milwaukee Turners, partners like Her Wellness.

Pro Say.

Yeah, exactly.

And then we have Samad's House and other wonderful people who get it and who care and who are from the community.

And then we bring those folks together so that they can learn from each other and work on reducing.

over those deaths and we've seen that over the last several years.

What's the percentage of reduction?

Between 40 and 50 percent over those deaths decreased since 2022.

Now, the overdose death rate in Milwaukee is at least two to three times what the homicide rate is.

And so there's the external act of fratricidal conflict in our community.

And then there's the self-destructive lifestyle that has been made pervasive in our community.

We don't condemn people.

for feeling a sense of need to cope because there's multiple ways that people end up like in that making that choice.

And we engage with those individuals to inform our strategies and to help prevent the next overdose death in the community.

So that's the work that he's been doing.

And we've been able to do as a department, we're happy to speak about more.

It's been informed by these life experiences that we all have.

One of the things I often talk about on here, from my own personal experience, like, everybody's like, oh my gosh, you back.

You always going.

And it's like, my sister told me, like, you got to stop running, not running from anything other than trauma, right?

And the reason I say that is because Milwaukee, if you're from here, it could be a trigger.

And it's extremely difficult to deal with.

learning how to deal in the environment that made you sick.

So what is some of the approaches you guys take to say, hey, you men, not guys, take to assist the young people in particular when it comes to the easy accessible coping mechanisms?

How do you get them to deter from that?

I'm gonna let Jeremy take that first.

Yeah, so one of the things we talk about all the time is that a young people will carry

the predominant culture wherever they go.

So

if

you in school and the predominant culture in your life is your parents, school for them to get it, whatever that is, right?

That's critical for us to understand.

They're carrying their experiences and they're responding to them.

Knowledge of self and understanding what they look like in your family line.

It's going to be critically important.

We can talk

about science all day long.

But remember, we're talking about knowledge of self, which is the highest form of science.

Being able to design your own emotions and look at the experiences that you're having in your house is going to be the first start to that work, doing that work.

We all got to do it.

That's important.

So if you're somebody who is standing with a young person and you don't exist in their house, you have to understand that in order to help them, you have to help them metabolize those home experiences.

And so stop looking at a young person in isolation.

like they did by themselves.

When you work with Johnny, you work with Johnny's mama, Johnny's grandma, Johnny's daddy,

and

that's just gonna have to be what it is, right?

So that first piece is there automatically.

Family context matters so much in those contexts.

The second thing is too many of us who see young people struggling, and we've already made up in our minds that they won't come out, or it's not worth it.

And so the scientific term is collective efficacy.

Right?

Sometimes we say, you just don't give it to them.

Whatever

you're going to choose, the truth of the matter is, when you see a young person who may be struggling, who may seem like they angry,

it's

our job to find enough compassion to do something.

Rather, it's giving them a hug, right?

Let's start at the low level, giving them a smile, ask

them

how

they

doing, hearing their words, processing their experiences, and know enough stuff to share.

Making them feel seen.

Yeah.

So you got to know enough.

We talk about this all the time.

If you sit in your own bubble and don't learn how the world is impacting other people, when they need you, you won't be ready.

So you have to know enough about what's going on to share something worth hearing.

Absolutely.

We got a call before you comment, Brother Mohammed.

Todd, are you there?

Yeah, yeah.

I just wanted to, first of all, shout out a lot for talking about the topic.

also about the worry that's coming out of brothers and brothers in regards to the youth and this in general mental health and things like that.

I think that's pretty dope, especially that brother just said that was some profound about how we see kids.

I think one of the great things is that we fail to see in the kids the very same thing that we're going through.

And

to be able to identify that on the intimate level is one that comes with this prayer.

and peace.

So I, you know, I just salute y'all for being able to talk about this topic in our community because that another self is courageous.

So shout out to y'all.

Shout out to you, brother Todd.

I think I know that voice and the courage you show.

I think all of us have been through

something.

And I think that what my brother said about thinking about what we needed as a young person, not, and we gotta be careful about that too because young people now live in a very different world.

Yeah.

And so you talked about Milwaukee.

I love this topic about talking about Milwaukee as both a trigger and a treasure.

I chose to live in Milwaukee.

I love this city because I love the people of

Milwaukee.

I also know just how toxic Milwaukee can be because it is one of the most well-managed environments for the type of social engineering that produces the kind of death that we see in our

community.

It's more nonprofits in this city.

than any other than I think it's one of the most if not in the top cities for nonprofits.

So with all these helping agencies, it shouldn't be no

problem.

The issue is it's the management of problems, not the solving of

them.

And when we're talking about folks throughout all of their trajectories, because I don't want to leave out our elders, but there is a disconnect.

And so elders don't feel safe in the community.

Young people.

don't feel affirmed or seen in the community.

And so we're having to have this conversation about what's taking place.

I would say this about the thing about Milwaukee that is troubling me, all right?

And we can analyze a problem to death, but we can't find the collective will to work in a coordinated fashion to do

it.

And part of the reason is because we have this urge to be seen.

And we're an ego-starved community.

And so if I work with you, you'll get some of the credit.

And so I'd rather just do it my own way.

And many of us, we can't work for each other.

And that's why we have a hard time working with each

other.

And we forget who we're doing it for.

And

so it produces this scarcity mindset, this competition mindset.

grant driven mindset.

And our mentality at DHHS is, no, we have a need and let's see who can do this in a collective fashion.

We incentivize collaboration.

So we intentionally say in our contrast, you have to work with other partners working on the same issue.

We use data to help drive those things.

But at the same time, we put

people would live to experience at the center of the design of those things and have them in decision-making positions about how those resources are spent.

And we're trying to lead by example.

And we can say that we've seen some positive results, particularly in overdose deaths, homelessness, our youth justice numbers, some of our youth gun violence decreases that we've seen in this city.

And the last thing I'll say is, like I was talking about with all the nonprofits,

The access, having access to something does not mean that what you have access to is appropriate for you.

It's not just availability.

It's acceptability.

And if I tell you, here's a number to call, or here's a resource to call, but that person creates an experience that you never want to call them again.

It's

not the fault of the person.

It's the fault of the system, and the system should feel a level of self-critique about it.

And that's the responsibility of leadership that I don't think we have enough conversation about.

And so we end up reproducing the problem and never solving

it.

Absolutely.

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Yes, hello.

Thank you so much for tapping in.

How are you today?

I'm great.

I was just listening to some of your guests and they're doing a wonderful and magnificent job.

I

got two questions.

Now you talk about the overdose crisis that's going on in our city and it is a crisis.

It's been going on a long time.

It just hasn't been being, you know, really looked on because we were so focused on the

the Caucasians that were coming into the community and dying all over the country.

So we kind of pushed it on to, uh, well, it wouldn't show none when, when, when, when we were dying or the crack.

But I'm, I'm under the contention to believe that that was just a, that was just some smoke for what was to come down the line because we're actually, if not doubling the numbers or matching the numbers of white people that are dying,

from this heinous parasite that's in our community called heroin.

So

what about the Good Samaritan?

because I know some people that took somebody in there, and they supposed to have been treated fairly, but this boy and this girl was treated as though they were, as a matter of fact, held in custody, and they was just simply rescuing somebody.

What's going on with that Good Samaritan Act in our law, I mean, in our county, and one other thing after you answer that.

I'll just tag the Good Samaritan law and let you deal, Jimmy, with the overdose piece.

Without knowing the details of the situation, we couldn't really speak to that.

I'd have to look up a little bit more about where, if something fell through the cracks or not.

But certainly for us, the Good Samaritan Law is somebody should not be charged if they're in the presence of somebody who's experiencing an overdose.

That's why there's Narcan all over the city right now.

That's why we have all of these different harm reduction supplies so that somebody does something.

even if they're using with somebody who's experiencing an overdose.

So just wanted to put that out there, and certainly would definitely like to see more details of the incident you described.

Right, because I don't think I'm people that are bringing people in, man.

getting the the shake of the getting the fair shape of this Good Samaritan law, man.

I mean, they charging our people and trying to, you know, charge them indirectly and holding them in custody.

And they simply trying to save a life or bringing somebody to an emergency room that's or call the emergency people to save a life.

But like you said, you you look more into that.

I guess the

next time you come in, now I'm going to the mental health piece.

What is anything being

insane anymore, just plain old insane, not mental health issues.

Well, I understand insanity is a mental health issue, but they're pushing the word mental illness and seem like there's nothing insane anymore.

And what we're doing here is we're pushing it really in the white people pushing it, but not as cold as the black people.

And my my belief, not only my belief, what I'm seeing,

is that once you diagnose especially a child and get them documented that there's mental health issues, you know, later on in life, that diagnosis perhaps will follow them and it could just be something simple as a mischievous or disobedient child.

And now all of a sudden he's been diagnosed in his youth years as having mental health issues, whether it's bipolar or whatever it might be.

And that hunts him, and guess what?

He won't even be able to bear arms, do any hunting.

Some places even rent a house.

Is it wise that us black people just diagnose and push this media?

And some of it, brother, is out of greed, because like you said, all those nonprofits are capitalizing on it.

That's just something I'm thinking about, and I'm seeing it.

With that, man, I'll take hands off

that.

So I'll just say this about diagnosis.

in a position, none of us certainly are in a position to give any kind of clinical diagnosis and certainly not on the radio.

But I would say that the type of therapy or treatment or things that become available do not have to be these things that we find that are clinical, stigmatizing, that don't acknowledge differing abilities, that don't address

cognitive delays or other things that we'd like help with.

Not everything has to be medicated,

not

everything has to be treated with a clinical approach.

Now for those conditions where there needs to be some manner of addressing brain chemistry to help regulate

then that's something that families should take into consideration with good guidance.

What I can say is that we have access clinics across Milwaukee.

That's mental health.

We have the Milwaukee Health Services Incorporated.

We have outreach.

We have outreach on East Capital, Milwaukee Health Services on Silver Spring.

We have 16th Street Health Center.

In most private insurance or healthcare settings, there's maybe a six month wait.

to be seen evaluated

and

get some measure of diagnosis when if you go into our clinics as an adult in those spaces you could be seen potentially same day and get a diagnosis.

For children we have a clinic on 19th and North for those who are recipients of Medicaid and want to be exposed to what's possible and we also have partnerships of course with other health providers.

I say oh let's just say

We have a right to have educated options.

I want to encourage people to look up comprehensive community services.

We have over 100 providers in the Milwaukee area that provide all types of therapy, yoga, outdoor activities, equine therapy, peer support, transformative mentoring, all of those things, life skills classes, all of those things qualify as a prescription.

And many of them are even delivered by individuals with lived experience who come from our communities who look like us.

So it's not a clinical approach all the time.

But there's that option as well.

And so we always encourage people call 414-257-7222 if you would like more information.

And as my brother stated,

Oftentimes, we deal with some of these systems and don't necessarily get a fair shake.

We always have our mobile teams, which is our crisis assessment response team.

If somebody's having a mental illness, a psychiatric episode in the community, because there are some folks that's, you know, we got all type of phrases for it in our families.

Somebody not wrapped tight,

et

cetera.

I mean, we know what we're looking at.

And I've seen many people, and especially with

I have to say it.