Racism, Power & The Receipts

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We got a special caller on the line My good brother Cecil Lacey.

He is the blood brother of Ernest Lacey.

Cecil are you there?

Yes, I'm here sister.

How you doing?

I'm doing good.

Thank you so much for tapping in I'm so first and foremost.

Thank you for doing this on quick notice

I haven't even seen you in a while, but I wanted to make sure that I included your brother in this segment today because he is a part of long line of what the police department racism overall when it comes to the history of Milwaukee.

I did briefly go over the incident report.

And I just want you to walk us through, as you recall, what happened to your brother Ernest Lacey?

What happened to the officers?

I did see that there was an ex-officer who was a part of that, who did a 60-minute interview years later, which led to an arrest.

But we want to get the story from the horse's mouth.

Yes.

First of all, God bless you, Queen.

It's a pleasure to be a part of your show.

I just want to commend you for your, you know, unwavering work in the community, not only in the community, but like the nation abroad.

You're a wonderful sister, one of the best people that God has graced me to be able to meet.

And I just want to thank you, you know, for all that you're doing, you know, standing on the front lines and just fighting, you know, for the rights

of our people and so I'll just start off by saying July 9th 1981 about like say two o'clock in the morning.

I was awakened.

It was a knock at the door and the not basically was members of the Milwaukee Police Department informing the family that my brother Ernest

had died in police custody.

And when I tell you that, that was like one of the, that was the worst day of my life.

It just, it devastated the family.

I heard you speak earlier about the trauma that when things like this happen, that trauma is a lingering trauma.

It never goes away.

You know, time passes, you know, the cliche,

time heals all wounds, but there's some wounds that time can heal.

But what we do, we move forward on faith because the foundation of my family and the foundation that I was raised on was faith.

And so that's the thing that has kept my family like going.

Last year, you know, my mom, I came over by my mom's house and basically she was reliving the situation as if it happened

That night, you know, but just getting back to some details about what happened basically the police came they informed us that They believed that they had earnest at the morgue and they needed somebody to come and Identify the body and so like I said, we got together my mother was at work my father Went and went on my mother's job basically got her

Went down got with family members identified the body and right away The police department was trying to paint a false narrative like they always do.

It's like they run the same place like they ran I've listened to you and you talked about Don Trey Hamilton and then I got to thinking right away I started thinking about Alvin Cole.

Yes,

so what I thought about what Alvin Cole was

All of those officers that was there at Mayfair, it was one nigger, a serial killer, Joseph Mensa, that took it upon, took it upon himself to assassinate murder Alvin Cole and feel comfortable knowing after he had had like two bodies already on his hand.

So what they did was they rewarded him

for his bad behavior and gave him promotion.

You go from this, you go to that.

And that's what happened.

So just didn't stay focused on my brother's case.

It was a long, tedious, hard journey.

You know, we had people just coming at the family, you know, and different things like that.

When it first started right away, my cousin, he got, went, Mike, he was real familiar with Mike McGee.

He got commander.

McGee on the job, we had Teju and Mike McGee right away hit the ground running, you know, protesting and, you know, galvanizing the family.

You know, my family got together and, you know, we just began to, we knew that the narrative that they was painting was a lie.

So basically my brother, July 9th, 1981, he was over on 12th and Wells and him and my cousin was painting an apartment.

And so Ernest,

uh, he decided he wanted to break from painting because they had a job.

They wanted to finish.

He was going to walk to open pantry.

What was on like 24th, you know, and was kind

of

walking beautiful.

How

old was

he?

How old was he?

He

was, he was 22 years old, July 9th, 1981.

And so he was, he was walking to the store and just, you know, out of nowhere, some members of the Milwaukee police department

They just basically, you know, began to arrest him and attack him.

And subsequently after that, they beat my brother to death.

He died from lack of oxygen to the brain.

They did the same thing that they did to George Floyd.

Even people was talking about it.

They said the situation was eerily similar.

And so, yeah, this is a that's what that's what happened to my brother.

He was basically beat to death.

by members of the Milwaukee Police Department.

They threw him in a paddy wagon, face down after they had done beating, put their knees on his private parts, you know, cut off the oxygen to his brain, knee on his neck.

And it was a horrible, horrific beating.

You looked at his testicles when we seen him, it was like twice the size.

You know, it was just, it was really, it was a horrible thing.

And, uh, but yes, basically then after that, we ended up going to trial, you know, of course they gon paint a narrative.

They got away with it.

Some of the police got fired because they say they didn't render first aid, but what they got away with was strata straight out first degree murder.

It was like a gang mob beating.

And, uh, that's what took place.

What was the climate in the city of Milwaukee between the black community and the police department at that time that your brother Ernest Lacey was assassinated by Milwaukee police department?

Oh, it was very it was very tense.

You know, they had just did that to Daniel Bale.

You know, they got away with killing him and then I guess a police officer conscience was eating him up and then he came forward.

subsequently thereafter, but they had a squad called a growing squad.

So Chief Hale Bryant, they had a squad that was going around, basically shaking down and terrorizing the black community.

So it was very like stridging, was very, you know, tedious during that time.

And so it was a lot of different things.

And of course the narratives at that time, E. Michael McCann, see back then, you know, whatever came through.

It was justifiable homicide, right?

So they weren't interested in getting to, you know, getting justice.

I heard you talk about the Nolan world case.

It's the same spirit that's down there in Mississippi, that same spirit hovers over the state of Wisconsin and all over, you know, we're living in very dangerous times, you know, for black people, black youth.

And it's really sad.

But yeah, it was very tedious at that time.

Yes.

And they ended up doing an interview and catching one of the officers in Colorado.

Or was that the Daniel Bill case?

Yeah, I believe I believe I'm not too familiar right now with that particular case.

But you know, it ended up they ended up getting some recourse later on.

But basically what I'm saying to you, Jeff, is just the same thing.

They paint that narrative, like you said, with Don Trey Hamilton.

There was no way that after the sergeant came on the scene and said, we're going to leave that alone, that an officer, basically some gun-hole officer, he decided that he's going to go above what the sergeant had said and come back to that scene and murder

You know that brother like that in cold blood and this just happens like I say this is a I heard you talk about the brother that died, you know in the car, you know Williams and they'll paint us they'll paint a narrative and You know and most of the time, you know, like I say they hold the same thing that happened with Joel Acevedo

You

know what they do is they use these tactics.

They'll drag it out

So out of sight, out of mind, they did the same thing with my brother.

They dragged it out so long, so people can get disinterested.

And all of the time, they working behind the scenes.

And sadly, most of the time, they working with people within the communities to kind of tamper the frustration of the families to get them, people playing all ends from the middle.

folks that's walking with you every day and acting like they're your brother, your sister, they're actually working with the folks.

It's a lot of house plantation plants and that was going on back then and it's going on now and it's really sad on so many levels.

Absolutely.

Cecil, thank you so much for tapping in with us.

I'm going to, if you can leave your direct number with Meach so I can give you a call so that we can catch back up.

I truly, truly appreciate you.

I love you dearly.

And as always, I'm praying for you.

And one thing I want to say real quick, Jazzy, I think that what would be good, just a suggestion, you should bring a panel with all of the families, you know, Maria Hamilton.

She's on the line

now.

Yep.

Yeah, okay.

Whatever.

My sister, I love her.

And keep doing what you're doing.

You're doing a great work.

Keep continuing to be in the Watch Woman on the Wall.

God bless her and your family.

Absolutely.

And I am going to get y'all on the show.

That's why I wanted you

to leave

your direct number.

I will.

Bless you, Queen.

Thank you so much.

Um, so shout out again to, uh, brother Ernest Lacey.

Uh, I'm sorry, uh, Cecil Lacey, the brother of Ernest Lacey.

Right now we have Mama Freena on the phone and she has Mama Maria Hamilton on the phone.

Who is the mother of Nontrae Hamilton?

How you doing Mama Maria?

I'm doing

great.

How are you dad?

I am well and I thank you so much for calling in.

Um, I started to, I was talking about your son today in his case, um, because of the Nolan well, uh, well situation.

Um, and then that sent me down a rabbit hole all the way to, uh, the first lynching in Wisconsin in 1858.

Um, the Daniel Bill case in 1958, Ernest Lacey.

Um, and then obviously your son, Dr. Hamilton, and we were going over.

the police report and I couldn't help but to notice a the arrogance of the officer who still took it.

upon himself to go back after the acting sergeant stated that there was no need for him to move.

And again, the reason why I wanted to speak with you is because oftentimes when we read the paperwork, we know that in the system of racism, they control the narrative, the power, and we just want to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

What happened to Donald Tray that day?

OK, so.

it started off with racism and bias because it was over a hundred and some people in Red Arrow Park coming and going in and out from that coffee shop or going and coming from MATC, going or coming from the state and the federal building.

So during the afternoon, during lunch to about

330.

It's heavy traffic.

Plus you have the performing art.

Right.

So that's one particular day.

We had had snow for months.

Um, I raised my kids up in parks in Gary, Indiana, in Mirabil, Indiana.

So as soon as we got a day that was 60 degrees, that's right.

Like packed up.

He went to the store.

packed up his car, got juices, sodas, potato chips and stuff, and he wasn't going to hang out in the park.

But just so happened, he was downtown.

He had spent the night at the high, no, not the highest, at the Hampton Inn down there.

So he was only a couple of blocks from the park.

He didn't even drive his car.

He left his car in the parking garage.

and he walked over there and was just laying there chilling.

They said that first narrative out that he was homeless because it is a high homeless people over there because they have to leave the places where they stay at at six o'clock in the morning.

They go to the parking.

That's where they migrate at.

That's where people bring them food, bring them personal hygiene and stuff.

And Don Trey, he started interacting with some of the people.

We were actually helping a couple of the guys that he met that was homeless.

And they choose not to go into any of the group homes or any city centers.

because they have to be in there sometimes.

There are certain rules and regulations.

So, occasionally, Christopher Manny said he would see Dottray in a parked downtown, so that's where they got their homeless narrative from.

They would, Dottray was killed at 325.

That's when he stopped breathing.

I was literally leaving him a voicemail Why he was being shot So what they did they went to the homeless shelters Talked to all the people in the men homeless shelters to try to get them to put a folder in

those places for him.

Now, mind you, they had his wallet, they knew he was.

Mind you, they had his car keys.

They had a red receipt for the month of May.

So

why do y'all want a home to show?

Come on now.

Mama Maria, we got to go to break really quick.

We coming right back to all the listeners.

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Before we left off again, thank you so much for joining us on a short notice.

I didn't want to continue to talk

about

it without reaching out and I'm glad Mama Farina called.

But before we went to break, you mentioned that during the time this arrogant cop was putting bullets inside of your son that you were leaving him a voicemail and that they keep trying to attempt to paint this homeless narrative of him, even though they seen a rent receipt in his pocket.

Transfer

I am sorry, but that's not available Mama Mama Maria.

Are you there?

She not Mama Farina if you can hear me, please call us back I'm not sure what happened, but we were having a very intense conversation with With Maria Hamilton the mother of Dantre Hamilton and again, I'm

So grateful that they caught in because when we were reading that criminal complaint It did not mention any of the things that she just talked about What she talked about was the fact that they kept trying to label him as a homeless individual even though They seen a rent receipt his car keys.

So he wasn't just homeless sleeping in the park He had his car keys and he had his rent receipts and there as well and they attempted to go to homeless shelters

to build a homeless case to frame him as someone who is homeless in that area, which was Red Arrow Park.

We got Mama Maria back on the line.

Thank you so much.

So you were stating that they found a rent receipt in his pocket as well as his car keys.

And yet they were still trying to pay him to be homeless.

Right.

And 2017 was when I got his personal belongings.

I had moved to Seattle.

So they thought once they gave their personal belongings to the attorney, which was John Saffron, who was leaving practice because he had been diagnosed with cancer, that they would come and miss him.

Right.

So when I found out about.

I flew nine hours from Seattle to Milwaukee to get my son's personal belongings and turned around.

I wouldn't have later went back to Mitchell and went to the airport, but I dropped his belongings off at his brother's house.

Okay.

So since that time we've been able to edit the blood is at the doorstep.

and put that segment into the movie of Nathaniel and Damien, opening up the poster belonging, showing the red receipt, showing his car keys and his house keys.

And there was a ring, because he was supposed to leave that Friday and go to Green Bay to propose to his girlfriend.

They kept the ring.

But they stupid behind did not take the receipt out of his wallet and he bought he bought the ring on the 29th downtown on Wisconsin

So your experience with this this entire situation Mama Hamilton, um

My analysis when I read this police report and again, I'm so grateful you called in because this is not obviously this information is not in there To me, it's not

accurate.

I don't know how it's even legal for someone to call dispatch and tell them to assign them to something at least told them that it was already a closed case.

Yeah Yes, ma'am and then what what they're not as we said

the police she called she called the police three times okay the police who with the first time were still in the area during the third call they was on another call the second call but that's when they called his captain and told them hey he was unavailable could y'all please have him to come to the park for a disturbance there was no disturbance

There wasn't a problem.

The call was a where fair

check.

Hmm.

Did nobody

know that either?

Right.

Right.

So they weren't calling the police on him because he was doing anything.

They wanted to make sure he was okay.

Or do you believe?

Well, they had to do a

where fair check to get the police there.

They wanted him removed.

Yeah.

And that's what I took.

Now

mind you.

White.

Mind you, there was 32 other M.A.T.C., no, not M.S.O.E.

students with bikes tied to the tree, sitting up under trees, sitting at the table doing their homework, but that trade was the only problem.

And it was the color of his skin.

My baby died because he was a black man.

Yes.

Yeah.

Across the street from City Hall.

Across the street from city hall Okay, the cameras from Starbucks and the cameras from the art center across the street and the cameras from the party department They're not in there neither because all of that was confiscated by the police

So they removed that from as from physical evidence

Yes, they removed all of that

The only camera that they acknowledge to the prosecutor was from the hotel, which was counter corner.

And that camera was on a timer.

So it was a motion camera.

And they knew that we had criminal attorneys, right?

So we had investigators.

So that was the only camera they told us about.

But I've been told over the years,

Not to give up because there's no limitations on murder and the cover-up and Every case that that plot secured a plot to kill will be overturned Come on once I once I get the rest of the information I

need So the idea at that time was John Chisholm

Yeah, and he was the director and Derek Williams as well.

Um,

yeah, all of them

seemed like

it's

the

young man that got killed the Stingley kid.

Yeah, the ones

in racing the ones in Kenosha All of them and what they did was they went to they went to Madison

and put a bill in place stating that if a police officer was involved in a shooting, because you know the Michael Barrowhead came out

and

they were supposed to have an independent embassy, but it wasn't their choice to make because that was killed in a park.

There was nobody but David Clark position.

to do that investigation.

So what did they ultimately decide with Manny?

He was fired, okay.

He got fired in October, the same year.

But they said because we have been protesting

And we started protesting until Mike Brown got killed.

That was August night.

Right.

So from August night, from April 30th to August night, you ain't had no mental illness.

Come on,

man.

And you ain't been out for once, right?

Come on.

You had no mental illnesses, right?

And was still going to work, punching the clock, but you had to sit in a chair instead of riding a car by yourself because did nobody else want to be your partner?

Mm-hmm.

Yup.

It

shouldn't have went back to death story

after that.

Right.

But my, no, at that point, he could never be a Milwaukee police officer, but he was, he could apply as a state police, a sheriff or a police department in another county.

He just couldn't work in Milwaukee County no more.

Wow.

Wow.

but he thought he thought to get his job back because before they announced that he was fired to the public they had to notify the police association but I got smart yes really I have to allow them really you know what I'm saying because within this council culture yes

yes

the culture is delay, deny

That's right.

Mama Maria, we got to take another quick break.

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one oh one seven the truth is your girl jazz Tyler we are live and direct if you are just now uh joining us today we have been having a conversation about

Wisconsin Black History.

We've talked about multiple people, Nontrae Hamilton, Derek Williams, and currently we have Mama Maria Hamilton on the line.

Again, thank you so much for joining us today.

One of the things that I was talking about earlier and the reason why I really wanted, I'm glad that Mama Farina got you to call in is because I wanted to express the importance of misinformation.

And what I mean by that is

that

oftentimes our people, black people specifically, whenever we are faced with

these

type of situations, we are grieving and we act impulsively and we forget to compare and contrast the paperwork.

And when you go back and listen and watch this paperwork and listen to your story or you hear similar stories from the families, it doesn't add up.

There's information missing, right?

And we have to get the correct information out there.

My question to you, Mama Maria, is what advice do you have for families that's going through a similar situation?

I know a couple of weeks ago there was a 23 year old who was accused of shooting an officer.

in response to him being killed and it came out that he actually did not have a weapon nor fire a weapon.

What advice do you have to these families?

Have a village.

And when I say have a village, have a village that's willing to get educated, that's willing to ask the hard questions,

that are willing to not accept what they're going to be given.

And when I say a village, I mean legal services, you need people who can do research, you need people who know.

the laws and what you can and what you cannot do and you need people in this distorted justice system to ask questions to so you can go back and check the data to tell them that they're lying and you know I think for us me and my family

That's why we were able, like the guy said earlier, we got paid off for whatever.

Okay, I'm getting ready to check him.

What I did was there was no body cameras.

So I went to the Greater Milwaukee Foundation and asked a donor, because during that time, the quarter for them giving grass roots or 501C3.

any kind of dollars I asked this one person if this was your job wouldn't you want to have known what his last moment was

yes

he gave me five hundred thousand dollars so all the police officers could get body capped i ain't gonna die mm-hmm you hope okay

Then I went and got money, almost another half a million dollars,

to

have everybody CIT trained because Christopher Manny had never been crisis trained to even deal with anybody with bacteria whether in their mental crisis.

But they had the opportunity to go and have the training and get certified.

to be escalate and They didn't have to because it wasn't mandatory Right, we got a model CIT train from from the top of the white shirts down to the the people that hold the flags in the street And right now we only have 24 certified trained police officers

Because you know what they did they played on a phone.

They talked to their wives.

They fucked up the whole 40 hours So that's why when I tried died it was every 18 hours somebody was getting killed or beat or Put in jail for something that they didn't do

right

now.

It's every three minutes Every three minutes

Yes, so the fact that we shut down freeway that made people uncomfortable it was to let people know that Jim Crow is still alive Yes, indeed Yes indeed and you have

and

they feel entitled to do that That man lost his job.

Do you know before I?

Just my paycheck this man is getting my taxpayer dollars

That's

killing my son.

Come on.

Talk about it.

Mama Maria.

Yes.

Put it in when you put it in that

perspective.

Right.

He is able to get that because he retired too.

Right.

So he's getting crazy money.

SSI and he's getting a pension and had 17 of questions on him before he killed my son.

Had he been recommended

for those 17 attempted rape and all this other stuff over the 13 years where no other police officer in the city of Milwaukee wanted to ride in a car with us.

We wouldn't have this discussion right now.

That's right.

That's right.

And you have went on to assist.

You have done so much in the community with grieving mothers.

Can you talk about that for a little bit?

It's you know, um It is really my my job is it's really touchy because When you get that type of news and you're traumatized.

Yes We don't see you.

Yeah We don't see what you trying to do.

Yeah

That's why Nate ended up being a spokesperson for my family because I had mentally checked out.

So what me and my family do, myself, Nate or Damien, will reach out to whatever contact they have or reach out to a family member, give them my direct information, and once they start to move forward.

and trying to structure what it is they want to do, we support them.

Because I tell my mom, it's triggering for me.

You know what I'm saying?

We need babies that are being killed.

Whether it's in the streets, whether they drown, whether it's a car accident, whether it's police, it's all triggering to me.

But I've given

My life worked to God.

Yeah to be a servant, you know what I'm saying?

to keep these mothers from going in dark places where they're not even in a mental mindset to nurture the kids in their house

That's right.

That's why these babies out on the street because their brothers and sisters and cousins they've been shot down in the street and the parents aren't mentally qualified

to help.

Yes.

Yes.

Yep.

It's a real thing in our

community.

That's right.

Yeah.

We all walking around here with a form of PTSD and trauma and without any proper services and aren't able to properly grieve either because every time you look up is happening again.

It's something.

It's hot.

It's

Something I don't even watch the news no more because every I want to say every seven to eight minutes My phone is buzzing with alarm.

Yes

It was every three minutes until I I disconnected my national one a hundred number That's a lot our babies is dying

so

what I'm doing now is

try to hear, try to hear the mother or the father just in the counseling, just in bad working.

Then we do counseling with the family.

So the kids can actually talk and say how, how they feel, how, how they've been left aside because this one child is no longer in the family.

And then we try to bring them

to some kind of consensus that they're communicating.

Yes, yes.

Then we work on trying to get them back in school, try to get cases dropped for them.

of trying to get the parents back working or going back to school, you know, picking up a trade or something.

And then trying to build up a self esteem in them where they can share and pass it forward.

Because we don't get enough of it.

Absolutely.

I think the most money I have gotten

for this work I'm doing and mothers for justice was about $50,000 and that was because I brought mothers in town for the 10th anniversary and had them here for five days.

We did self care.

They had security.

We went to Red Arrow Park.

We had

uh, a barbecue and everything and then we had a dinner and we flew these miles back home.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't get a dime.

Come on now, Mama Maria.

Everything, everything y'all see, me, Nathan, Damien, you personally donated to the cause.

Yes, indeed.

Mama Maria, I truly, truly appreciate you.

Um, it's always rest well to Don Trey.

Always sending my love and prayers to you all and however we can continue to support the work that you do Please let us know as well as Mama Farina.

I tell her the same thing We not saying it because we don't air I mean that whatever it is y'all need Please please let us know the work don't stop and I love you to death and I thank you so

much

Like he said hey bring us together honey.

Yes,

and we

need family

together Wait a minute.

Yeah, wait a minute Maria The suit that you got did you did you get that money for y'all you and your son?

Oh,

okay.

Wait a minute.

We're okay.

Yeah, cuz for when they did bring that up for anybody listening Yes, there was money given to the Hamilton family, but

On April the April or no on May the second I found out that Ray had a 11 year old son We did DNA testing and in 20 27 when the city and the police department awarded 2.3 million dollars it went into a trust for him and The attorneys got a third so they got 1.1

He was 11 years old when Don Trey died.

He didn't start receiving anything until he turned 18 years old.

You heard it straight from the horse's mouth.

Mama Maria, thank you so much for calling in.

Mama Farina, can you please, if you have it, give her my direct contact number.

If not, I will reach out and give it to you.

And again, any support we can be, please let us know.

Long live Don Trey as well as all of the rest of the brothers who were

I'm assassinated by the Milwaukee Police Department.

We got to go to break.

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Shout out to Cecil Lacey, the brother of Ernest Lacey as well as

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If I don't leave you all with anything, I'm going to leave you all with this again.

We know time at the time that the state of our people, the state that we are in as black people, when it comes to our loved ones being assassinated by the police department, by the government for that matter, will never be a true justice.

That is how this system is built.

That's how it's been operating for many of years.

That's how it will continue to operate.

But what we can do as a people is educate ourselves as well as our families, especially these babies.

That's how we have true solidarity.

So what I mean by that is we have to pay attention to the paperwork.

We have to start looking at the paperwork instead of being impulsive and reactionary all the time.

We have to start reading the court cases, start reading.

the incident reports start taking a look at whatever evidence is there is out there or whatever documentation there is out there.

Not just in the midst of that happening, but afterwards is where well and do your thorough research.

A lot of times the information that is in these documents are not accurate or it is based off of the people who are empowered.

And the more information we receive,

The more information we can pass down to our children so that they are privy to this and that they know how to move because let's be clear.

Today, I went all the way back to the first lynching at the Milwaukee County Jail in 1858.

You understand what I'm saying?

The Milwaukee Police Department was created in 1855.

1858, they allowed a lynching, right?

1958 we talked about Daniel Bill.

We talked about 1980 with Ernest Lacey.

We talked about Derrick Williams in 2011.

Don Train Hamilton in 2014.

The only cases I didn't get a chance to thoroughly go through, but I do want to mention is J. Anderson, Jr.

June 23, 2026 in Wauwatosa.

We talked about Frank Jew that happened in 2014.

I'm sorry 2004 we talked about We haven't talked about Alvin Cole that happened in 2020 But the point of the matter is no matter how you spin it no matter how you flip it.

This is a part of Milwaukee's history in Wisconsin's history

Whether you want to hear it or not, whether you agree with it or not, we cannot sweep this under the rug.

Yes, we know that these cases has happened.

There are numerous of cases, some that has not even gone public, right?

But this is a reality.

And when we look at the state of the city, the state of our youth, there is a brother in his early 20s, a couple of weeks ago, who was just assassinated by the police department.

And it was put out, the narrative was put out that he had a weapon and that he fired and it came out that that was not true, that indeed he did not have any weapon on him.

Just like Cecil said earlier, it's the same play, just a different date.

Got to be privy to this information so that our babies will know how to move.

Shout out to the chat.

Hey, ain't Katrina Katrina financial services the the wrong we see they knew that young man.

She's referring to Don Trey Hamilton was known for being downtown and around that park daily.

I work downtown for over 16 years.

The racial profiling is real in our downtown area for years.

Absolutely.

Marty says that's crazy.

That reminds me of Memphis black cop killed that young man rumors is he was dating one of them cops cops baby mama.

Um, I heard something similar.

I'm not for sure about the Seville, uh, Smith case, right?

That the officer who did that supposedly either went to school with him or knew, knew him from somewhere and just always felt the way about him.

Um, Marty says, don't forget jazz.

Manola Wells was missing to 18 year old man was murdered.

Absolutely.

Um, and a shout out to cousin jazz West.

She said they did all of that to cover their tracks.

with Dante Hamilton retirement and SSI off tax money is wild.

Man, listen, again, um, I could not get on here and not acknowledge what happened with Nolan Wells.

But as we talk about other people's backyard, I wanted to make sure that we talked about what happens and what has happened in our city and know that the cases that has happened will not go unmentioned.

Doesn't matter how many years passed by.

Um, we have, you know, a lot of us have been on the front lines.

We'll continue to be on the front lines of whatever capacity we are allowed to.

Um, but again, we are, uh, you know, as you can see around this country, uh, we are some, uh, very dangerous times.

It's always dangerous times when it comes to our people, but we are in some very dangerous times.

Uh, the day before yesterday, there was another lynching.

This is 2026.

You understand what I'm saying?

So if you have parents or grandparents who were born in the 40s, 50s and 60s, it sounds similar to something that someone on the radio would say at that time.

Did you hear what I just said?

The day before yesterday, there was another lynching.

This is September 22nd, 2026.

And we are having these conversations as if we are back.

in slavery or the civil rights movement.

Oh, I apologize.

We never left.

It went from worse to worse.

That part never left.

And somehow we managed to sit around and become distracted every single day.

And I get it.

I get it.

It's a lot that's going on.

It's a lot that's happening.

You know, I don't like to wake up.

Watching her paying attention to negative things, but at the end of the day, one thing's for sure, two things for certain.

I love my people.

I'm a part of my people.

I'm proud to be a black woman.

I'm proud to be a black woman born and raised in the city of Milwaukee.

And as I'm raising my children in this city, and as I'm a part of these students' lives, I will never misguide them.

or not provide them with information that is privy because these people that we mentioned all look like them these people that we mentioned today all look like us and at the end of the day bullet has no name and if you know you know a lot of law enforcement like to what they call picnic pick

a Negro.

You understand what I'm saying?

So, with that being said, Truth Nation, thank you so much for joining me today.

Be sure to tune in tomorrow 4 p.m.

to 7 p.m.

I got my family coming in.

Marta Wella Kierkendal.

He will be here tomorrow.

He is the COO of Community Advocate.

So, again, when we are talking about the housing needs, we're going to talk to somebody who is on the front lines.

Do not

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You are officially tapped in with your girl Jaz Tyler on one of one seven the truth the award-winning one of one seven the truth if you are just now joining us today Yesterday the grand jury came back with the verdict in the case of Nolan Wells and stated that They did not find any foul play or any type of suspicion when it came to his death Although his death his cause of death is still undetermined

Um, so we're going to talk about that.

We're also going to talk about, um, some of Wisconsin history, uh, as it pertains to situations like this and situations with law enforcement all the way back to when MPD started 1855.

Yes.

There has been cases since 1858 in the city of Milwaukee, all the way down to Ernest Lacey, Derek Williams, Jay Anderson, uh, Corey Stingler, um, Derek Williams again.

So many different situations.

We're going to spend the next three hours going over that.

So obviously on July 4th, Nolan went to Horn Island off the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

He disappeared.

His body was recovered two days later.

Yesterday, Mississippi Grand Jury decision is national news.

No indictment.

So I am going to be exact because I refuse to make this easier for anybody to discuss.

Now, when we are talking about the grand jury to my younger adults and to my teenagers who are listening, these are the people who send out indictments.

These are the people who are over making decisions when it comes to an indictment.

And basically, they are not going to indict anyone in the Nolan Wells case.

So the grand jury issued 132 subpoenas.

They've heard from 43 witnesses.

Several individuals were invited to testify before the grand jury.

The grand jury, through the district attorney's office, made written requests to the family of Nolan Wells and their legal team to produce any evidence collected in their independent investigation into the death of Nolan Wells.

Some of this evidence include testimony of witnesses.

physical evidence collected during the investigation, digital evidence collected during the investigation, reports generated during the investigation, interviews and recorded statements that were also collected during the investigation, images, videos and recordings, maps, GPS, cell phone, exact locations and responses to the subpoenas.

that were sent out.

So, as we read through the criminal complaint, I'm not going to, I'm sorry, the grand jury's paperwork, I'm not going to do word from word, I just kinda wanna put some information out there, because a lot of times when these situations happen, a lot of people tend not to take a look at the paperwork.

All we do is watch clips, 30 second clips on social media,

or we pay attention to whoever the family lawyer is.

But me personally, I want to get to the meat and bones of the situation.

And I want to take a look at the paperwork to see why exactly they did not issue an indictment, especially with the fact that they assumed that he died from drowning.

And now they are actually saying that there is no cause of death, that the cause of death is undetermined.

And obviously we know that.

That means it was a cover up.

So both the state of Mississippi chief medical examiner and less double back because I talked about this a couple of months ago.

The lady who is over the medical examiner's office for the entire state of Mississippi has had over several cases dealing with young black men who have been in situations like this.

And every time these cases come across her desk, she rules them as undetermined.

It's never a homicide.

It's never any of those type of things.

It's always listed as undetermined.

Just wanted to throw that information out there.

So, both the state of Mississippi chief medical examiner and the doctor that the family was working with stated that Mr. Wells' death is undetermined and that drowning is a diagnosis of exclusion.

Y'all hear what I just said?

Drowning is a diagnosis of exclusion.

There was bruising on the back of his head in which they claim not to be a fatal injury.

Further, the grand jury found no evidence of any fatal injury or organic disease to Mr. Will's body.

The state of Mississippi chief medical examiner and that doctor, they have his name retracted from the document, disagreed about the presence of bruising.

So that means there was a back and forth between the autopsy that the family conducted themselves with the private doctor in Washington DC versus the medical Mississippi's chief medical examiners office.

So obviously the the coroner's office that the family was working with did not agree with the state of Mississippi, meaning that the bruising they felt like it indeed was caused by some type of trauma.

So they disagreed about the presence of the bruising on Mr. Wells' buttocks and shoulder.

So I think this is something that we were not aware of or privy to prior to this document.

I have not heard anyone talk about the bruising.

I heard about bruising on the back of his head, but this is the first time that I am hearing about bruising on his buttocks and his shoulder.

the grand jury considered credible evidence concerning the circumstances of how Mr. Wells sustained the injury to the back of his head, but the exact cause of injury remains uncertain.

Now, that's going to be hard to determine if he arrives to the other coroner's office with no throat and no intestines, right?

So it's easy to say that it's undetermined because if he indeed was drugged or died from an overdose or anything like that, they won't be able to determine it because those organs were missing from his body when his body was transported to Washington DC.

The grand jury considered credible evidence concerning the circumstances of how Mr. Wells received the injury to the back of his head.

But again, the exact cause of injury remains uncertain.

A witness testified under oath that he saw Mr. Wells slip awkwardly off the side of the boat around the time of 3.30 p.m.

on July 4th, but could not say whether Mr. Wells struck his head during that fall.

The witness testified that Mr. Wells continued to socialize after the fall and did not appear injured.

The grand jury understands that neither forensic expert has ruled out accidental drowning as a cause of Mr. Wells death while the grand jury found out of their evidence to explain the bruising on the back of his head or The suspected bruising on his buttocks and shoulder the grand jury cannot say with absolute certainty that this call this fall cause the bruising So there was some bruising

On his body there was some back and forth between the coroner's office in the state of Mississippi as well as the corner the chief medical examiner's office in Washington DC I'm sorry the chief medical examiner's office in Mississippi and then the coroner's office that the family was working with in Washington DC So it goes on to say the grand jury received the original CTO call made by occupants of the Triton

which I believe is the boat that they were on July 4th, 2026.

The grand jury finds that the various sea tow calls were circulating on the internet and social media are not true and accurate.

The grand jury recognizes that it is common for individuals visiting Horn Island to socialize on boats and in the water.

The grand jury finds that it is not unusual or suspicious for individuals to return from the island on boats.

They did not travel to the island on, nor is it unusual for individuals to place their cell phones in personal items on other boats they visit and socialize on.

The grand jury finds that Mr. Wells' phone was not the only phone to travel back to the mainland without his owner.

The problem that I have with that is that

Yes, other people present, their cell phones may have left the mainland, but they are not deceased.

That is the difference.

So the fact that they slid that in there, again, it's a cold cover up, but it's facts.

They slid that in there purposely to try and say that it's not abnormal.

However, the distinction here is that you have someone who is deceased, which means that that is abnormal.

That indeed is abnormal.

They also recognize the grand jury that there have been public assertions that Mr. Wells was the only African-American individual.

I'm gonna say that again.

Nolan was the only black young man on Horn Island July 4th, 2026.

Can anybody tell me what the, what July 4th?

What July 4th represents not just to black people because we utilize it as a day to barbecue for different ethnicities.

It means different things, right?

But I want to read this.

This is something that this is the actual declaration of independence.

July 4th 1776 Congress approved the final text written mostly like most likely by Thomas Jefferson, right?

So we all know what independence day is we all know

Certain people and certain ethnicities what it means to them.

We all know what transpired during this time We have seen the history books So the reason why I'm painting this picture and I'm saying this is because just imagine being in Mississippi on July 4th Independence Day and being the only young black men around a whole bunch of white people on boats in water with liquor involved Drugs amongst a host of other things

I can imagine there is some arrogance there there is some You know some attitude some people may be feeling themselves all types of whatever but the fact that he was the only black person present To me and my mind based off the situation means that he did not have any allies He did not have anyone who would have his back who would you know document certain things maybe he thought

the people that he went would, but unfortunately that was not the case.

When we come back we're going to read a little bit more from the grand jury and then we're going to tap into some of Wisconsin's history.

She girl,

Jazz Tyler, do not touch that down.

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You're officially tapped in with your girl, Jazz Tyler on one on one seven the truth Today we are having a conversation about we started off talking about Nolan Wells, but I also want to tap into the history of Wisconsin, right?

So Prior to me going to break I was reading the grand jury documentation on the indictment or on the case in which they did not indict anyone for Nolan Wells It was not a lot

In here to me it was very vague very brief The last part of it states that

The grand jury finds that there was a thorough search of Horn Island on July 5th in advance of the discovery of Mr. Wells body The grand jury is confident that had his body been on the island at that time It would have been discovered during the extensive search the grand jury recognizes there have been public Public assertions that Mr. Wells was the only African-American individual on Horn Island.

I want to go back

When they say the grand jury is confident that had his body been on the island at that time It would have been discovered during the extensive search.

So that goes back to Some of the things that was said on social media by some people that were close to him claiming that his body was moved or that it actually didn't take place on the island and that his body was placed back onto the island and Reading this paragraph that makes perfect sense to me

All in all, they found that the GPS data and security footage confirmed the accounts of the passengers that were on the boat.

The grand jury finds that Mr. Wells was not in any physical altercation or argument on July 4th.

So basically, like I said earlier, they did.

What exactly we know they were going to do?

Nothing different.

Racism at its finest.

Out in the open with his boobs out legs wide open.

They don't care.

Hey, this is what's going on down here This is how we roll and we want you guys to pay attention closely, right?

They are sending a message They are sending a message.

There was another lynching.

I believe the day before yesterday so

When I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, because y'all know I don't like to talk about negative things or violence too much.

But again, I cannot pay attention to a rapper's trial and not talk about Nolan Wells or the lynches that is happening around this country.

That makes absolutely no sense for me.

With that being said, let's go back to September 1861, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

So George Marshall Clark.

and James Shelton.

Two black men were being held after a confrontation in which a white man was fatally stabbed.

Just a quick note, Milwaukee Police Department actually was created, I believe, in 1855.

So this is not too long after that.

The Milwaukee Police Department's own history says a mob attacked the jail and went inside and, as a result, one person was lynched.

There's an article online.

You can go up and take a look.

There is a site.

There's a statue at the site of the lynching now.

I am only 38 years old.

I was not taught this in school, grown up in the city of Milwaukee.

I was not taught this by anybody.

I had no knowledge that this even happened until I began to do my own research yesterday.

That this indeed happened in the Milwaukee County Jail.

So the marker text says Milwaukee's only recorded lynching occurred on the block on on this block on September 8th 1861 African-American residents George Marshall Clark and James Shelton were imprisoned on September 7th after a fight that previously that previous evening during which Shelton fatally stabbed Darby Carney owner of a popular

Third Ward Saloon.

After Cardney died, a mob stormed into the county jail in the early morning of September 8th.

Shelton was able to escape, but the crowd seized Clark, beat him severely and dragged him to this area where he was hung on a pow driver.

Police arrested six men for their roles during the riot, but none were convicted.

This happened right here in.

the state of Wisconsin, not just the state of Wisconsin, but also the city of Milwaukee.

So again, this is not an accusation.

This is facts.

And I am eager to find out exactly where this is.

There is a marker.

There is a statue, not a statue, but there is a marker of this situation with his name that explains it.

I have no idea where it is, but I am going to find out.

because this is a part of our history.

Listen, 1958, that's the year that my mom was born.

A young black man runs from Milwaukee Police Department by the name of Daniel Bell.

Officer Thomas Grady shoots him.

The police story included a knife.

Years later, the truth about that knife came out.

It had been planted on him.

So I do want to say this because

There are people who are not familiar with my background, who are going to have certain opinions or feel a certain way.

First and foremost, I am not a politically correct person.

Secondly, I am for my people, always been about my people, will always be about my people.

Does not matter where I'm at, what type of job I'm at, my people comes first.

Point blanking period.

So when I am going over the history,

People can feel however they want to.

Some are gonna say this is an attack on MPD.

Some are gonna say that I am just stating facts.

Either one is suffice.

Either one doesn't matter to me.

At the end of the day, this is information that we have to have.

This is information that they are not teaching our children.

This is information that they refuse to teach us.

Therefore, I am committed to making sure that we do not forget.

So that when these these things continue to happen right here in our own backyard That we are aware and privy of this information We have to get out of our feelings if we want to truly fight racism and solidarity We have to pay attention to patterns.

We have to pay attention to time We have to pay attention to

What it is that has happened in our own backyard because it has been happening for quite some time.

So February 2nd, 1958, a 22-year-old black man named Daniel Bill was put over by two white Milwaukee police officers near the corner of 8th and Wright.

Bill had a broken tail light.

Daniel Bill jumped out of his car and ran.

The officers gave chase and caught up with him at 2650 North 6th Street.

There, one of the officers, Thomas Grady, shot Bill at close range in the back of the neck, planted a knife on him.

It would go on to claim that the shooting was in self-defense.

More than two decades passed.

In a 1979, the second officer involved in the shooting, Louis Crossey, came forward with the truth.

And you can actually take a look at his interview on 60 Minutes.

He sat down in 1980 and did an interview on 60 minutes about this situation If you Google Milwaukee record calm and Google Daniel bill it will show you The story the interview of the X cop who was there who came forward?

Two decades later over two decades later and talked about what happened What actually happened that day?

So thanks to a Crosse's revelation, Grady was soon arrested in Colorado.

It was sentenced to seven years in prison, which was later reduced to five years.

One year after the 60 minute story ran, the Bell family was awarded with $1.79 million.

A New York Times story from 1981 opens with this.

Members of the family of Daniel Bell.

A 22-year-old black man shot to death here in 1958 by a white policeman, feel good about the $1.79 million awarded to them last week by a jury, but insist that no amount of money can make up for his death.

What does this means?

This means that, you know, Wisconsin, Milwaukee specifically has a habit or has a pattern of killing black men.

Hence this just happened and I know I've been seeing my brother Von Talk about this on social media with the young man and the officer that happened a couple weeks ago and how they said that He had a weapon, but it came out that he indeed did not have a weapon, right?

Same thing with a couple of other cases, but there is a pattern here with the police department where they tend to murder people black men specifically

And then, you know, however long later, they want to award the family, not understanding that there is no amount of money that this family could ever get back.

We have a caller on the line.

Al, are you there?

Yes, I am.

First of all, we want to listen to that.

We they're not sending a message.

And I'm going to tell you why they're not sending a message.

You running groups, you need weapons and you always up under sheets.

The only message they send in is they can't take no ass beating and beat out their socks and drawers like a real 304 because a real 304 going to take that ass beating.

They ain't going to need no weapons and they ain't going to need to run in no groups.

Okay, that's the only message they send in.

They ain't gonna try that with no Anna Laquana Laquisha because they know that butcher knife that's wrapped in dookie gonna cut them from that baby toe to the top of that crown then it's gonna be a bowtie and they next understand me.

They're not gonna try that with no Ray Ray by themselves because they know Ray Ray gonna beat that ass some corner to corner like they daddy used to do their mama before he climbed into bed and moleste sister, okay?

The real reason this stuff is happening is because black people don't treat racism like N-I-G-G-A-Z.

Because if they treated them like that, you wouldn't care about their skin color, you wouldn't value them, and you wouldn't care what you think.

So you keep showing you a good person.

Treat them like you treat each other.

And I guarantee you they'll fall back off you.

And you know what?

Ask a white man who was born in 1930, he'll tell you the same thing.

Have a great day.

Thank you.

So again, my personal opinion, they are showing us exactly what it is that they do.

And we are not talking about prejudice.

We are talking about racism, which is a system.

They are showing us how racism works as a system.

The family, the owner of that house that Nolan was at earlier is a judge.

There are so many different people in high status who was sitting on that island.

They co-horse their sons their children to get in front of the camera to have these interviews and conversations Racism at its finest.

We got to go to break when we come back Listen the next hour.

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Melody Matten says, Ernest Lacey Vendication Celebration held at VIP Lounge on North Avenue.

I was there.

She said, just quit.

Even Crump is now backtracking.

This young man chose and felt OK hanging with white friends.

Really, how do the parents feel about the grand jury finding?

Um, she's talking about Nolan Wells and she also said he is buried at the forest home cemetery.

Got a headstone only a few years ago.

I believe she's talking about, um, the, uh, George, the situation that happened in, um, 18, I want to say 51.

Uh, so right now we are talking about Wisconsin's history.

Uh, before we went to break, we were briefly talking about Daniel Bell.

Now I want to go into Ernest Lacey.

I was not born when this took place.

However, since a child, my auntie lived in that apartment building.

I believe it was on Wisconsin Avenue and she was there in her apartment, her and my uncle, my uncle Pokey.

They were there.

Literally when this took place, they seen everything happen right outside of their window.

When they attempted to go down, they were asked to go back up into.

Their apartment building and our car her talking about this numerous of times.

I've actually worked with Ernest Lacey's brother as well Do a movement work and this is one of the situations that has Been around as far as the story for quite some time in the city of Milwaukee.

So a brief altercation ensued during the arrest where the unarmed

Ernest Lacey tried to flee from the officers.

The police officers wrestled him to the ground, restraining him face down on Wisconsin Avenue pavement.

An eyewitness testified to the police murder of Ernest Lacey, noting how officer Thomas Eliopoul, I don't know how to pronounce his name, pinned him down with his leg.

He said that the officer pressed his knee.

Listen to what I'm saying.

The officer pressed his knee into Lacey's upper back.

Then lifted his arms behind his torso for a handcuffing.

Further inhibiting the flow of oxygen to his brain.

Two officers held down his legs.

His body went in limp.

They then placed Ernest Lacey, who at this time was motionless, on the floor of the police van.

apparently to be driven to the home of the woman who registered the sexual assault complaint for verification.

Police said they realized that Ernest Lacey was not breathing when they arrived.

They had ignored warnings from a second black arrestee picked up along the way.

The officers then drove Lacey to the hospital where he was pronounced dead upon arrival.

So he died in police.

Custody I want to make this clear as well He did not commit any crime He was not a part of whatever sexual assault That took place that had nothing to do with him.

He was innocent.

He was not the guy they were looking for He was guilty just for being black He was guilty for being black for walking down was constant Avenue at the time.

I don't I can't tell you whether or not they were

Looking for whoever they were looking for because a lot of times the stories change But what I do know is that he was innocent innocent So later on the fire and police commission Imposed discipline the arresting officer was fired after findings that included excessive force and other officers were suspended over failures connected to Lacey's treatment and medical aid

So this is one thing I want to point out when people say that was a long time ago.

I need you to understand something The 70s to these young kids may seem like it was a long time ago, but it actually was not Police have lineage training, right?

This is the same type of training that was used in the Derek Williams case in 2011

How do I know?

Because I was there.

I sat through that trial with his family, with Tori Lo, with Khalil Khomei, with Mahdi Muhammad, with so many people in the community, and watched all of those officers get on the stand and plead the fifth.

So Ernest Lacey did not simply become a name on a protest sign.

His death became a part of Milwaukee's accountability history.

And now hold on to the words custody distress and medical aid because 30 years later We are going to another name and I just said it dick Williams.

We got a call on the line Steve from Glendale.

Are you there?

Yes, I am When I heard You mentioned Ertus Lacey that kind of struck a nerve Because I was around during that time and in fact one of the officers

that was suspended for failure to yield first aid to Mr. Lacey.

He arrested me one time, like he mistook me for somebody else and then made up this story about how I became belligerent.

He's dead now, his name was Officer Kenneth Kamiecek, and he was one of the guys that didn't help Ernest Lacey when he was in the paddy wagon.

So he so you're agreeing that there is a history or at that time in your opinion There is a history of this type of behavior.

Oh Yeah, he He mistook me for somebody else crossing the street and then the patty wagon and the squad pulled up and and and this guy said give him the patty wagon What did I do?

He said just get in the wagon and then when I went to court He claimed I was loud and belligerent and

They definitely mistook me for somebody else, because I didn't even, I even had a witness who came with me.

But this piece of crap officer, he was one of the guys that they suspended in the Lacey case.

Unfortunately, it was, I mean, they didn't fire him, but, and like I said, he's dead now, that's why I mentioned his name.

Well, even if he was alive, I'd mention his name.

So I am gonna have Cecil on here Not today if I can get a hold of him which is earning his brother, but what I want to ask you is Can you explain the time the the climate of the city of Milwaukee during that time?

Oh, maybe not

during the earnest Lacey situation.