to civic media special coverage, breaking news this afternoon.
We got word about an hour ago that President Biden
after days, if not weeks, of advice to pull out
of his reelection campaign.
Apparently that decision was made earlier today
and announced about an hour ago.
Of course, this has repercussions for the nation
and the world here to talk more about that
and with some special guests.
Here's civic media's top offer.
Terry Bell, thank you very much.
We come on the air this afternoon now just after the hour
of two o'clock across the civic media radio network.
It seems like you and I were just a few days ago,
which we were at the Republican National Convention
in Milwaukee on Wisconsin media row
and talking about this very scenario.
And we thought it would happen over the weekend.
We said it was most likely today
and here we are on a Sunday and about a half an hour
to 45 minutes ago, President Joe Biden put out a statement.
He decided to do it via a text or a tweet
on what used to be known as Twitter.
Now it is being called X and he released a statement, a letter.
Not very long.
I'm going to read a couple of parts of it
for our audience who might not have heard it yet.
And the White House saying that he did this
because the president is in Delaware this afternoon
where he continues to recover from COVID-19.
President Biden releasing this letter
at moments ago or about a half an hour, 45 minutes ago.
Now, quote, my fellow Americans, over the past three
and a half years, we have made great progress as a nation.
Today, America has the strongest economy in the world.
We've made historic investments in rebuilding our nation
and lowering prescription drug costs for seniors
and in expanding affordable health care
for a record number of Americans.
He goes on to list more of his accomplishments
that he picks up and says, I know none of this could have
been done without you, the American people.
Together, we overcame a once-in-a-century pandemic
in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
Then skipping forward, it has been the greatest honor
of my life to serve as your president.
And while it has been my intention to seek reelection,
I believe it is in the best interest of my party
and the country for me to stand down
and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president
for the remainder of my term.
I will speak to the nation later this week
in more detail about my decision.
For now, let me express my deepest gratitude
to all those who have worked so hard to see me reelected.
I want to thank Vice President Kamala Harris
for being an extraordinary partner in all this work
and let me express my heartfelt appreciation
to the American people for the faith
that trust you have placed in me.
I believe today, what I've always believed,
and that is nothing.
There is nothing to the America that Americans can't do.
We can do it together.
We just have to remember we are the United States America.
The words read there a letter from President Joe Biden
to the nation being released a little while ago,
saying he was going to stand down.
He will not seek reelection.
The first time, of course, this has happened
since Lyndon Baines Johnson decided not to seek reelection
so very many years ago.
Joining us to discuss this, and we're doing this
a little bit on the fly.
So, Jorge Auretas, who was doing outstanding job
as our producer and engineer in Cory Hart,
when I believe Trigview Olsen is standing by
in the waiting room of our StreamYar broadcast,
we'll bring him what in whatever we can.
But I want to go first of all to Matt Flynn,
two-time chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin
and a 30-A friend of ours,
an ongoing contributor to civic media.
Matt Flynn joining us via phone from Milwaukee,
Matt, we spoke just last week, still up in the air.
But Matt Flynn, I just want to get your reaction
as a historian of these things,
and also a long-time member and activist
in the Democratic Party.
Yeah, well, thanks for having me on, Todd.
I think this is a very dark day for the Democratic Party
and for the United States.
I think we can surmount it.
But historically, here's exactly what happened
right after one bad debate performance.
A jackal pack assembled to drag by doubt,
it started with The New York Times editorial board,
The Washington Post, the media, they spent more time
for the last few months attacking Biden
and exaggerating what they were saying,
been attacking Trump.
And I'll give you two examples.
One is he was ahead, he pulled just came out,
he was ahead and flared up by three points, flared up.
And where he's behind in some of these places
in this margin of error.
And you don't get into a campaign until the nomination.
And then he was our best chance to be Donald Trump.
The problem is, when you have these brutuses stabbing them,
and I said, it started out with back benches,
it started out with a few sore heads.
But then it became trumer, it became Pelosi,
it became Hakeem Jeffries, it became Obama.
And at some point, the diminution in the polls
is recently, which is still margin of error,
is a result of, hey, if the party doesn't want them,
then why should we want them?
So it was self perpetuating.
Now, fortunately indoors, Kamala Harris,
she's his vice president, people forget,
and I'm just gonna lay it on the table right now,
that when the past, when Biden showed any weakness
in polling, besides age, the other one was,
Kamala Harris would be a successor,
that was seen as a weakness.
So we are now giving everybody here at the dog remedy.
What is your vote for in November?
So we'll stand by her, but this is going to be
a long slog this fall.
Tribute Olsen joining us via StreamYard
from our nation's Capitol Washington DC,
our ongoing contributory joins us every Wednesday
on our show, who is with us in Milwaukee
for the majority of the Republican National Convention.
Senior advisors are now to the Lincoln Project
of what we're Republican like myself.
Tribute Olsen, your reaction is someone
who has worked on presidential campaigns in particular,
the late great Senator John McCain
and his presidential campaigns amongst others.
What is your take on President Biden's announcement
that he is withdrawing for the race?
And yes, in fact, as Maplan said,
he has endorsed his vice president, Kamala Harris.
So, you know, with the Lincoln Project head on
from the beginning, we always said, you know,
we're about Donald Trump and defeating Trumpism.
So whoever the democratic nominee was going to be,
we're going to back.
And we founded the organization
when we thought really that Bernie Sanders
was going to be running against Donald Trump in 2020.
So that said, I don't know, you know, Matt,
I love Matt Flynn, but the bottom line is,
Joe Biden after the debate was not a viable candidate
to win the state of Wisconsin.
Regardless of what the public polls were showing,
I have access to numerous private polls.
I talked to people on the democratic side
who have access to massive polls,
not a thousand sample in Wisconsin,
but literally five or 10,000 in the sample.
The bottom line is, people had concluded,
and this was true, even in the first big survey
that we did in April of 2023.
It isn't just that people thought that Joe Biden was old.
They were worried, is he, does he have the faculties
to serve a second term?
And the debate really crystallized it in people's minds,
you know, and some models that I saw at Joe Biden
went from probably winning Wisconsin,
if he did, somewhere in the neighborhood,
two to four thousand votes to down 60,000.
And so the reality is it just wasn't sustainable.
And Todd, you and I ran into that
when we were traveling around the state
both times, the concerns.
You can't have a situation.
Joe Biden, Tammy Baldwin didn't intentionally,
didn't campaign with Joe Biden in Madison.
So Joe Biden had an incredibly,
has had an incredibly successful term
and in office with what he's done with NATO,
with what he's done with the infrastructure bill.
But the reality is time is undefeated and it was time
and the Democrats probably should have done this sooner.
It was time to move on.
It's a little bit like Jordan Love coming in
for Aaron Rodgers.
People don't like that or Aaron Rodgers for Brett Farf
because none of us like to face our own immortality.
But now the race will be back being about Donald Trump.
That is what it has to be about.
And the fact that he is old
and he is not only appearing to be demented,
but he's flat out crazy and he'd like to end democracy
and make a retribution tour.
So that's what this race is going to be about now.
And if it's Kamala Harris who binds it backing
and that's the way it goes,
we have to be defending Kamala Harris
and we have to be defending any of the other people
that could be and drawing a contrast with Donald Trump
because all of them are committed to democracy.
And he is not in the question of whether Kamala Harris
has the mental faculties to be president is not in question.
You're listening to a special report of civic media news
is 12 minutes past the hour up to a clock
where covering the breaking news at this hour
that President Joe Biden,
Democrat has announced in a letter to the nation this afternoon
that he is not going to stand for reelection
and has endorsed his vice president Kamala Harris
to be the Democratic nominee.
When Democrats gather at the Democratic National Convention
in Chicago next month, civic media will be there.
We are going to go in a minute for a recap
to Savannah, one of our great news anchors at Madison.
But first, I want to go back to Matt Flynn.
Matt, look, I think that there's going to be a lot of debate
amongst Democrats for a long time.
I personally hope it's tricky kind of laid out.
Let's move forward because we have to defeat
in a lot of Republicans are disinfecting Republicans
like Trivia Olsen, a lot of Democrats,
a lot of independents that the point here
is to defeat Trump and Trumpism.
Help us walk through as an attorney, Matt Flynn,
and also a two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.
Speaker Mike Johnson, Republican was making his rounds
on the morning news shows this morning
and saying that Republicans, at least in select states,
are going to attempt to stop this in the courts.
And their argument is going to be almost what Democrats have
leveled on Republicans and Trumpism
that, hey, there are primary elections
around this country and millions of people voted
at the nominated Joe Biden.
So are the Democrats the one who are ignoring election
results are going to try to stop this in the courts.
Matt Flynn, your attorney, help us sort it out.
Yeah, well, I was at a convention where this happened in 1980.
And there was a change in the party rules in the 80s.
Here's what happened.
Ted Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter.
And the Kennedy delegates were asked,
well, switch your votes to Carter.
And they refused, but they could.
Because under the rules that were changed in the 80s,
you are not committed, unlike an elected
and an elected college in that party convention.
You are not committed to vote for the person you were selected
for.
The first amendment right to do that
within a party overrides the equation
if you were an elector and then you're not
supposed to sweat.
So what's happened is Joe Biden has endorsed Kamala Harris.
That's it.
They will go there.
They've got to do it before August 7,
because Ohio has some trickery in its laws
to try to keep the Democrat off the ballot.
If Mike Johnson brings these lawsuits,
all of the Biden delegates, every one of them
are going to vote for Kamala Harris.
She'll be the nominee.
And they're going to have to say, well, your honor.
Biden was voted in the primaries.
That does not matter.
Those delegates can do whatever they want anyway.
And now they have to go ahead from Joe Biden.
And unless you get a frankly a corrupt judge,
like Clarence Thomas or somebody like Elise Mercedes-Canon
down in Florida, any judge can read precedent.
And so I don't think there's a problem at all.
This also solves a financial problem,
because she can succeed to the money in the campaign
whereas if you brought in a Mark Keller Gavin Newsom,
there'd be some questions about that.
We are, this is a special report by Civic Media News.
It is now 16 past the hour of two o'clock on Todd Albaugh,
joined on via phone by Matt Flynn,
two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin,
and attorney as well, our ongoing friend and panelist.
Also, Trigley Olson, former Republican like myself,
now a senior advisor to the Lincoln Project
Joining us from the United Nations Capitol in Washington.
I want to ask both of you what may come next.
The attention is going to turn to a potential
of the vice presidential pick, but before I do that,
I'm going to throw it to my colleague, Savannah,
with a quick recap of where we're at right now, Savannah.
Sure, so what we've learned today
is that these discussions have been going on
since the debate.
Since the debate, there have been politicians
at first privately, then it kind of turned
to pushing publicly, starting to mount pressure
on President Biden to withdraw from the race,
and you see that when you see statements
start to come in within about two minutes.
That means that the party has already
started to kind of unify around a message,
because that will be key for them,
especially heading into the nomination process next month.
But I think a lot of people have been kind of waiting for this
and kind of waiting for this statement
and waiting for this decision from President Biden.
So when we got that this afternoon,
and it started with his kind of, I would say, surprise,
just out of nowhere, saying on X on social media
that he was stepping down endorsing Kamala Harris
in that same message, which I think tells us a lot.
I also just saw some more information from CNN
that says that some major Democratic donors
have already released statements saying
that they are backing Kamala as well.
So we're really going to start to see more
and more unity behind the Democratic Party
because that will just be key for them
as they shake up this race kind of heading into,
heading into their convention.
And I think they will, I mean, every time I'm out
and I'm talking to people or interviewing people
about November and about this election,
the thing that they say to me is, oh, it's the same two people.
And this was a way for people to be less tired
of the same race that we had four years ago.
And that may end up benefiting them in the end,
stands to be seen.
Thank you, Savannah, I really appreciate it.
And again, about an hour now or so ago,
President Joe Biden chose to release a written statement,
White House saying that that is important
because the president is still recuperating from COVID.
Any of us who've had COVID know your voice kind of goes
and so that may be a part of the reason
we want to speculate too far,
but the White House deciding to do this via a letter
to the nation that read in part from Joe Biden quote,
it has been the greatest honor of my life
to serve as your president.
And while it has been my intention to seek reelection,
I believe it is the best interest of my party
and the country for me to stand down
and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president
for the remainder of my term.
I will speak to the nation later this week
in more detail about my decision on quote again,
that is part of the written letter released
by the president now going on an hour ago.
I want to bring our panelists back into the mix.
Trigmy Olsen, senior advisor to Lincoln Project in Washington, DC.
Trigmy, lots of talk, even as early as Thursday,
lots of chatter on who may now be turned to
for the vice presidential nominee,
people like Andy Bashir, Governor Kentucky,
who a former attorney general there
who has been reelected to a second term there.
He's a guy who says that he's not for assault weapons bands.
He is for red flag laws,
but he also supports LGBTQ rights
and supports Roe v Wade.
Then you've got Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania,
the new governor there who is of course,
Pennsylvania, a key state Roy Cooper,
a North Carolina has been mentioned.
And of course, Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan,
another must win state, although Whitmer said earlier last week,
she had no interest in running for the VP.
But Trigmy Olsen, you've been around these national campaigns.
Nobody wants to be the vice president until the rest.
Trigmy, I think maybe Trigmy, your mic is muted there.
Let's try that again, please.
Again, a lot of people.
Somebody muted me.
All right, there you go.
So a few things.
That is 100% true about the vice presidency,
unless it's Dick Cheney,
and I'm just trying to make Matt laugh with that joke.
So here's a few things.
One, my take is somebody who's run campaigns
at those kinds of levels, particularly in the key states.
It really, there's really three choices.
And I don't mean to disparage Tony Evers,
but he ain't going to be vice president.
Just isn't going to happen.
Surprise, surprise.
It's Gilbert Thompson.
He would be, and as I've said before,
I'd love to have Tony Evers as my neighbor
if I can convince my wife to move back here,
but he's not going to be VP.
So there's really only three choices, I think.
Yes, Andy for sure, he's great,
but they're never going to win Kentucky,
and he doesn't add that much to the ticket quite honestly.
Other than a moderate, he's moderate, white, and male.
Rory Cooper, kind of the same thing.
Maybe Nevada, I mean, maybe North Carolina
goes into play, but the reality is,
if the Democrats are winning in North Carolina,
they're winning the election.
There are four states that matter, only four.
Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania.
You have possibilities from each.
You have Josh Puro in Pennsylvania.
You have Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan.
We're throwing out Tony.
And you have Mark Kelly in Arizona.
Pennsylvania's should be, in theory,
it's the most Democrat of the four states.
Arizona is the most Republican.
Michigan and Wisconsin are the most alike.
I think at the end of the day, one of the challenges
that Shapiro has, and it probably isn't right,
but Shapiro's first term, and he's Jewish,
and of course, with some of the challenges
that the Democrats have in places
with large Palestinian communities,
that might be a problem.
I don't know enough about Democratic politics
to know for sure, but it could be.
Whitmer, the downside of Whitmer is,
obviously, that's two females at the top of the ticket.
In theory, that's an assumed.
It might be, in fact, a strength.
We don't know that.
What we do know is that she's a two-term governor.
She has a strong record,
and she could probably counter JD Vance.
She probably makes Michigan in the Democratic column,
and she helps a lot in Wisconsin,
and maybe to a degree in Pennsylvania,
and she's great contrast with JD Vance,
who was picked solely for Midwest appeal.
The last one is Mark Kelly.
Now, Mark Kelly probably only helps in Arizona.
He might carry Arizona for the Democrats, probably does.
He probably doesn't help as much in Michigan in Wisconsin,
and you can't win just with Pennsylvania and Arizona.
You got to win Michigan in Wisconsin.
If you win Arizona, you got to win Michigan
or Wisconsin plus Pennsylvania.
But Mark Kelly is an astronaut.
He is an American military hero,
and there's a lot of reassurance that might come with that.
And he's a white dude,
and Gabby Gaffer, his wife,
was a victim of political violence.
So I think at the end of the day,
it's either going to be Whitmer or Kelly.
Right, honestly, again, as I say,
I'm, you know, we just have to,
from my perspective, we have to defeat Donald Trump.
We ask you quickly, Tammy Baldwin.
Does she have a, I mean, Joe Biden looked at her,
she was on the top ten list last time.
She didn't make the top three.
Any chance that it could be a Harris Baldwin ticket?
Well, as you know, Todd, I love Tammy Baldwin.
Tammy Baldwin and I don't agree on a lot,
but she is one of the nicest human beings she will ever meet.
Would I be happy if somebody like Tammy Baldwin
or Vice President of the United States, absolute?
I don't think the Democrats are going to go there.
And I don't think they're going to go there.
Probably doesn't say much about Tammy.
It probably, and it says a lot about Tammy.
They're not going to want to try and replace Tammy Baldwin
and risk losing that seat to Eric Hubby, right?
And I'm not sure that Tammy, that Tammy seals Michigan.
If you're going that route, you might as well just go Whitmer.
Matt Flynn, four or two times chair of the Democratic Party
Wisconsin, what are your takes on VP for if Harris is indeed
the Republican, or the Democratic nominee?
Yeah, I think it's going to come down to two people.
It's going to come down to Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro.
And here's why.
I do not think that people vote for a ticket.
They look at the VP and they say, oh, the state near me
and blah, blah, blah.
Remember that Bill Clinton took Al Gore
from two young southern guys from adjacent states?
The point was the message was youth and forward looking.
Here you have Kamala Harris as contrast
to Biden, the contrast to Trump.
But she's going to need stability.
And there's a benefit to Shapiro.
And there's a benefit to Kelly.
The benefit to Kelly is he's not only an astronaut.
He flew over 20 combat missions in Iraq.
His life is on the line a lot.
Combat pilots, when they're being actually shot at,
and astronauts have to make instantaneous decisions.
And he comes across very strong.
He'd be an excellent choice.
Josh Shapiro would be an excellent choice.
I do not think that people look at things like the race
and ethnicity as much as they did.
Everybody said, don't nominate Barack Obama.
Well, he won two terms.
Don't nominate Jack Kennedy.
And he won.
So I think when it comes to Josh Shapiro,
he's a young governor.
He's tough as nails.
And he also, he also, quite frankly,
has stood up to a Republican legislature there
and he's very popular in Pennsylvania.
So Kelly, he's exactly right.
Kelly and Shapiro give you a two-fer.
They give you swing states.
I am not convinced, by the way, that that,
except for the case of Lyndon Johnson with Jack Kennedy,
that the VP brings along his state automatically.
That said, I could almost bet that I'll either be Kelly
or Josh Shapiro.
Thank you very much, Pat Flynn.
Trimby Olsson, I know you're against the clock.
You got to go in about two minutes here.
Anything we didn't ask you yet,
that you think is important.
I'm just going to share a piece of research data
that I have access to.
So in the last two days, voters in Wisconsin, Michigan,
were asked about how would they feel?
This is Democrats' independence and undecided Republicans.
So once Republicans' conservatives
are still on the table.
Ask what one word opened ended?
The overwhelming answer of almost 40% of people,
and remember, they're not being given options,
was either relieved or relief.
The next most popular was disappointed and then happy,
and you had about 12% saying sad.
I think what Chris Lasavita and the Republican campaign,
the Trump campaign, and I know him pretty well as you guys
know, they are off balance about how to respond to this.
You're going to see them throwing out.
We're going to throw them off the ballot and all the rest.
I watch the Sunday talk shows.
If they try and throw them off the ballot,
they're going to run into the buzz saw,
not only lawyers like Matt, who are going to kill them in court,
but they're going to run into a whole lot of people
that are feeling relieved, who are going to be the voters
that decide this thing in the key states,
and they're going to be looking at it.
Why is Donald so impotent and afraid of Kamala Harris,
or whoever the nominee is?
And the other thing is, if Kamala Harris,
which I have no doubt she can,
can utter six coherent sentences in a row,
Donald Trump can't do that.
That is going to be a big contrast
that we've had two politicians in their mid 70s,
and now we got someone in their 50s.
Sorry, man, I got to run because I have to get on a call.
Very quickly, did Donald Trump's life
get more difficult politically today?
Yes, sir.
Right?
Oh, 100%.
And Chris Lasavita and Susie Wildes,
magnitudes of it, because Donald Trump,
I'm sure, is breathing down at their next saying,
you were telling me I'm going to get 350 or 400 electoral votes.
Not what am I going to get.
I'm backing up in a hand-to-hand combat
to win Wisconsin and Michigan.
And for some of us on this call, Wisconsin's a home game.
So let them bring it and try and win in Wisconsin.
Trivia Olson, Senior Advice and Lincoln Project,
always a pleasure.
He'll be on our show from noon until 1 o'clock tomorrow.
The Civic Media Red Network, thank you, Trivia.
We'll let you go.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks, guys.
We're one of our great news anchors,
Savannah, do you have an update for us?
And then we will wrap things up with Matt Flynn
to the other side, Savannah.
I will throw it to you.
Sure.
So I've basically spent even just these last 20 minutes
monitoring all the updates that are coming in,
because it's just constant at this point with news this big.
And it really starts with the dozens and dozens
of statements from Democrats, congressional Democrats,
Democratic governors, basically big players
on the political stage on the liberal side.
And overwhelmingly, they're really praising this decision,
calling it a patriotic move.
And then I talked to Congressman Mark Pochaum,
maybe about an hour ago now.
And he told me this is, quote, an honorable choice
from a man who has consistently put his country first
to end quote.
But I also asked if he was relieved,
because he had told me that he is constantly
talking with constituents.
And many of them say the exact same thing.
And they were worried that Biden would not
be able to beat Donald Trump.
So he said he was relieved that now that question goes away,
although a bunch more may now start to pop up with Harris
or whoever else could emerge throughout this process.
I just want to mention the money real quick,
simply because that's one of the top questions.
It can go straight to a Kamala Harris ticket,
all the money that the Biden campaign has raised
toward this point.
Otherwise, it can be given to the Democratic National Committee.
That's one of the things people always ask me about just
in this last month when we've been talking about,
OK, but if Biden drops out, where does the money come from?
How do we raise money for a new candidate?
And some of the people that have really
praised this decision, something I just
got in the last few minutes, was the Congressional Black Caucus.
So I also just want to make the point
that if Kamala Harris wins this nomination,
she's the worst first woman of color
to be nominated for president.
And that would be a pretty huge moment, Todd.
So I had to tell me also standing reporting,
as always, great news team, let
of course, our news director, Terry Bell,
and apparently now coming across the wire.
Senator Elizabeth Warren has also endorsed Kamala Harris
as the nominee, Matt Flynn.
One more chance.
I'm going to ask you the same question.
The two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin
and attorney, ask you the same questions.
We ask Trinvie Olson.
Has Donald Trump's political life become more difficult today?
No, I absolutely think it has.
And it's the kinds of lines of attack
that he's going to do against several different, somewhat
from Joe Biden.
But there's a couple of things she has to do.
She is known for certain soft issues.
She has got to make it clear that she
unequivocally stands with Israel against Iran,
against Hisbola, against Hamas, against ISIS,
everybody else.
Number two, she stands unequivocally with Ukraine,
and with NATO, and three unequivocally with Taiwan,
just unequivocally.
And if she does that, I think she is a good shot.
But I personally am disappointed.
I want to make that clear.
Joe Biden could have won if the jackal back
hadn't dragged him down.
That said, they did.
OK, we have a nominee.
We've got to get behind her, get her a good VP,
and let's get going.
Right.
Well, I think that's a great distinction you make.
And Trinvie Olson and I, others I talked about
this week in the Republican National Convention,
that this now, Trumponian mega-republic party
is one that is antithetical to the Reagan Republican Party.
It's which straw of international defense.
Certainly, Reagan would have never tolerated, in my opinion.
I think Trinvie's as well, time, talk of being anti-Ukrain
and pro-Putin, mass deportations, this sort of thing.
So those are great points, Matt.
Again, the words of President Joe Biden
from earlier today, reading from his letter, quote,
it has been the greatest honor of my life
to serve as your president.
And while it's been my intention to seek re-election,
I believe it isn't the best interest of my party in the country
for me to stand down and to focus solely
on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of my term.
I will speak to the nation later this week
and in more detail about my decision.
Matt Flynn, two time to chair the Democratic Party
in attorney, an ongoing contributor.
We appreciate you taking time.
So with so much, we appreciate Trinvie Olson,
senior advisor at the Lincoln Project as well.
And Savannah Tome Olson, our deputy news director here
at Civic Media coming in today.
We really appreciate you.
And of course, our news director, Terry Bell,
our great team, chief engineer, Corey Hartman,
and also, Jorge Reyes, on the board,
producing the engineering as well.
And Sage, while making it all have unmagically on the board,
and of course, our program director, Catherine Blake,
Luke Bathers as well, and each and every one behind the scenes,
these things are not easy.
And we really appreciate everybody coming in on the Sunday.
Savannah, anything else that you would add
before we wrap up our coverage here on the Sunday afternoon
at 234.
Get ready, it's going to be a crazy week.
It certainly is.
Matt Flynn, anything we did not ask you yet
that you wanted to say before we take leave of you?
No, one quick thing.
Remember, you have to vet the VP candidates in 1972.
McGovern didn't vet his, and he had a throm off the ticket
when he realized he'd gone in for shock treatments.
So I don't know beans about any of these guys.
Kelly, Shapiro, and all that.
So somebody had better be vetting them right now.
Yeah.
I think that's, and that was a case for, of course,
Pete Buttigieg to be the vice president,
because he's gone through a national campaign.
But probably for reasons that you didn't train me
and I've traculated, perhaps he is not at the top of the ticket.
It could be Whitmer, could be Kelly, could be Shapiro,
or maybe it's a surprise.
The none of us are talking about.
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