David Crawley Talks Election Challenges and Campaign Strategies

It really is, just like that? Just that abrupt? No, you know. Man, get your fly out of here. It flew by as soon as he started. Stop bringing, yo, yo.

Family and friends to the studio. What's up? Everybody got time for you. Good morning. Good morning. What's happening? Family, welcome to the, I don't know, the zoo this morning. Jermaine got family and friends, animals up in this camp. We want to, you know, get right into the show this morning. I'm going to get to my brothers in the building in just a bit. Clark Kent is here. Jermaine Rideout is here, you know, but they get.

no love right away. Cause another brother is here and we need, you know, we have a schedule, you know, it's a, it's a black suburban part. When you got suburban pressure, you got to move. You got to move. So the fly is a drone. You dirty. Oh my God. You know what I see. You knew where he was coming.

I'm doing exactly what I was talking into. So you know some black folks go be at church. I was standing to the girl and they said, David had flies. I'm at the radio station. It's a new technology.

And here you know, some bros at the barber shop gonna be like, that's why we can't get these potholes big. Because the county executive got new technology protecting him. Like, sir, the county does not fix potholes. All right, y'all. So as I said, we got another brother in the building this morning. Well, we actually got two Slim Goody in the corner. Jonathan helps make this stuff happy. And then we have none other than Milwaukee County executive.

It is D.C. David Carly in the building. What's going on with you? Good morning, man. I don't even need this cup of coffee. Y'all wake everybody up. How you doing this morning, man? You know, every day is a good day. Is it? You know, all your staff that work for the county, I'll say, how you doing? Every day is a good day. I'm like, I don't know.

I'm gonna come here with David Crawley now, I said. Every day ain't a good day. You know, we gonna make it one. But yeah, your team loves to say that. They're like, yeah, you know, as the county executive always says, every day is a good day. But I guess when you on this side of the soil. Hey, and you got to bring your own weather. You know, you got to say that again. You got to bring your own weather. You got to bring your own weather. Wait, because we got someone.

Meteorologists may know. I'm trying to tell you meteorologists may know. See, you gotta be careful what you say. The ignorant weather that he breathed. I just said you can't say everything everywhere, bro. But you bring your you bring your you know, I got you. You bring your energy. Well, first of all, you look well.

You looking good. Are they still intact? They ain't beat you up too bad yet. So how's it going, man? You know, 20 days. 20 days left before the election. I was counting. I thought I was like, is it 21, 22 before? 20 days until the election. And, you know, don't get me wrong. I'm tired because, you know, we've been in this race for, you know, over a year, but I feel good.

You know, I'm not letting anybody, you know, rain on my parade, take my joy away as I'm traveling across this state, meeting with so many folks. But I will tell you that, you know, the excitement that we have been seeing, right? You know, having Governor Westmore in town last week, you know, traveling with him to Beloit, to Kenosha, to Racine, ending here in Milwaukee, like we are picking up a lot of steam. And I can tell we're picking up a lot of steam because the slander has become real real.

You know, from from the other side, but we saw said they talking about you must be doing something right. You have to be doing something right. No, if you don't have enough haters or enough trolls, you can't you can't you can't be doing, you know, everything right. I think it was Cat Williams. It was like, if you don't have at least three haters, you need to get on your job. You're not doing what you need to be doing. Well, I mean, well, let's just take a second and talk about it a little bit, you know, and I appreciate Jonathan was up. You know, he was getting, you know, content.

together for me. I was like, Jonathan, you know, ain't about to talk about none of that. I would get to some of it, but I want to get the rough part out the way because, you know, I've actually come in, I came in, I think on Monday morning, because when I was out at church doing churches, like I said, the folks who love you.

You know, they can't take it. You know, oh my god, these commercials is so they just they beat up on that child It's just so awful and they just running back to back to back and then I was telling you know folks listeners I was over at one of the we've been doing high schools with legal women voters registering kids both and First of all loving how smart some of these kids really are one of the young men He said so we a blue state, right? I see what you know about blue so that we had to talk through that whole piece but

Another young man, I said, so do you know who's running for governor? And he was like, no, I said, sorry, I talked about you and Tiffany. And then he said, oh, that's that dude that's like real messed up. And I said, what you talking about? He said, well, all the commercials about him is really, really bad. So then this became an opportunity to talk about how you get your own information. You know, how you research. You don't just see something at face value and believe that that's accurate.

So that ended up being a great conversation because there were some other young people in the room that could counter and say, dude, five, three, two, oh, six. Yeah. You know, so somebody and had seen your stuff. But what is this? What is this money like in this race? And how is it impacting the ability to get the message out? Yeah. And the types of messages because, you know, people are like, are those Tiffany's commercials? Are those outside packs commercials? Like.

Where's all this stuff coming from? It's a and it's a great question. And I would say that it shows that it's just too much money that is being spent. And I must. Two hundred and seventy million dollars. Yeah. Is what he has put in campaigns around this country, around the country. And here in the state of Wisconsin, you've had three billionaires alone who have given Congressman Tom Tiffany. Forty million dollars, three people, three people have given forty million, forty million dollars since January. Right. And so.

We're not talking about the outside spending. This is local. This is just this is just the local now if you add up all of it There's 60 million dollars being spent against me. You know and

And when you look at these types of commercials, they're not talking about any of the policies that Tiffany is going to bring. They're not talking about what the congressman has done or anything that he has done to support Wisconsin or what he has done to bring more businesses. It is strictly all attack ads against me. But we have been able to make sure that we can reach some level of saturation. We don't expect to outrace him at all.

But I will tell you, people power always beat money power. And this is why we want people to get involved. You know, we raised $10 million since that primary election. And that was the most that any Democratic primary nominee has ever raised. So we had even broke our own record. But the fact is that you got three people literally trying to buy this race. And if you ask me, or if you ask anybody, you should be asking yourself, why on earth would three people be giving this amount of money?

And to be honest with you, this is the type of corruption that we don't need coming from Washington, DC, creeping into the state of Wisconsin. And so, you know, the way we all should look at is that he delivered these billionaire, billionaires, these tax breaks on the backs of working Wisconsinites who are losing health care. And that's how we're paying for. And we're all paying the price because he's going to sell this state out to the highest bidder while I'm focusing on working for hardworking families. So.

There was an ad that dropped, I mean, a piece that dropped yesterday. Tiffany's folks couldn't wait to try to highlight and talk about maybe some impropriety in terms of funding allocation. Your wife works for community advocates.

The community advocates have been the recipient of dollars to help with the rental assistance situation during COVID. But they've had a longstanding history of contracts with the county. So is there anything you want to say? Because people, hey, you see this? Did you notice? Look, look, that lets you know the slander is real and they're running scared. I want people to know that, one, before we even, first and foremost, they've had a contract with

Milwaukee County for decades community advocacy goes back to 2007 under Scott Walker. And so like this is they've always been a reputable organization who's been doing great work in this community. So when I became the county executive and we received the federal dollars before we even signed the contract, I wrote a letter to the Ethics Commission

went through our corporation council and even gave it to the Milwaukee County Board. And a copy of that letter is actually been provided. Oh, it's receipts. You go see it. They did it in 2021. Tom, Tiffany, yo, people should have did their research. But it's not about the truth. That's that's the point that we need people to understand is that people are putting out information not because it's because they leave an omit.

The documents, they omit what we did. They omit everything, but he's out there saying, well, where there's smoke, there's fire. There's no fire. You're creating smoke because you don't want to see this smoke in this election. I heard some 5-2-0-6 just creep in. You know, and I'm just going to tell you, like, while you were sitting here, we got the TV on above your head. And as you've been talking, I saw one of your commercials just air, and I saw two of his. You know, so this is going, I'm just telling people, look, y'all, just buckle up, toughen up.

Understand what the facts are as you know them to be if you don't contact the campaign Oh, absolutely people can answer questions for you And then I have said you are going to need to be on the ground helping to educate What you don't see happening by way of spending you can be that voice and help get information out to folks

This is not hard. I mean, so okay, but let's let's take I mean, let's just let me just say this before we Okay, this is reminding me of the Willie Horton tactic Oh my god, you know to where they just trying to paint me as a different person like like let's be honest They would try to darken me up if they could But like they are literally just trying to destroy the character destroy the You know because

We're talking about people, but you know, it's amazing how a lot of times you don't hear the word incompetent thrown around. So that's the DEI, you know, you know, black folks are not confident to have these jobs. And I'm like, and I know people have been slamming his campaign and getting at him personally when they've interacted with him. Like some of this mess is racist and y'all need to stop. And it's not lost on us. So yeah, when they call me when they call me the DEI candidate, I said I definitely earned it.

You know what, I ain't gonna say nothing. So look, so Jonathan will not have spent his whole day working yesterday and I don't acknowledge it. First of all, let me just say, we were sitting here on air when the Obama endorsement came out. Okay. And you know, so it pops, I said, I got something to report. So I started to, man, people started going crazy.

Like this in, you know, my Facebook page, I said, oh, yeah, he got the big boy endorsement up in here. So I just got to have this. You always, you know, I always have to have these personal moments. What do what is it like to understand your background and the things that you've had to traverse to get to where you are? To then have the freaking first black president or just president in general, like a.

I'm tapping his cat on the shoulder. I like what he do. I support this guy. And what did he say? He just liked me. Yeah. We both was organizers. Like, that's got to be a surreal moment. It was very much so surreal. Erica must have been like, I knew I chose right. So let me tell you this story though, Michelle. So I knew that I was getting an endorsement. I had already seen the video. I never told my wife. Oh, really? I had never told her. And so.

The morning was a Thursday morning, it drops. And I see it on Facebook. And so my wife is sleeping. So I decide, you know what? I'm going to play it. And I just turned it all the way up on my phone. And she's just going to wake up. So she wakes up and she says, is that AI? She's like, is that real? And then she hears a name. She said, he knows my name. And so when I think about being a kid who grew up on 23rd and Burla,

Went to our Avenue, Mac Middle School, graduated from Bayview High School, and the trials and the tribulations, and understanding what my parents went through, and what I had to go through to be where I am today, and all the support that I received, it absolutely was surreal. But for me, in this moment, it's all about getting the job done still on November 3rd. Absolutely. And so while there's a lot of excitement personally, and while

I can get real giddy. I'm just focusing on running through that red tape, making sure that I can deliver for the people who helped raise me, who helped save my life, and then be able to expand the work across this entire state. And so I know that I'm extremely blessed. And when I think about this community, it's like when I come back to WNOV as home.

These are you all are the folks that I was listening to who raised me and doing the community work who helped me accountable, you know and When I think about a president Obama, you know giving his endorsement and supporting someone like me she does not give lightly No, he doesn't I Realized that it's about the work and so I'm focusing on doing the work because I can't let not just my community down But I don't want to let you know the first black president down and so, you know, it's a lot of pressure, you know

Well, let's talk about the pressure pressure either bus pipes or it makes diamonds Hey, we you know, we talked about that was one of Lena's phrases pressure bus pipes, baby So you got to understand, you know, what you're doing. How you doing? You know what what this work is like So let's take a second and talk about the work. Yeah, there have been, you know, and I was telling somebody this the other day I need to be getting paid by your campaign Because somebody was asking like, you know, David wasn't here and I said do you understand the schedule?

of somebody running for a statewide office while still doing the job that they pay to do every day. And you know, so- And oh, by the way, still got three daughters. Oh, I brought it up. I did all that. I did all that. Like I said, send me my check. Work me my money. I did all of that. And you know, so I saw the situation on the flock cameras. Yeah.

And that decision not to fund in the next, was it the next budget? Yeah, this budget. And, you know, and I got to get Sheriff Dunita Ball in because I saw that, you know, she was in opposition. She wanted to see continued use. Can you take a second briefly and just kind of mention the people why you thought it was important to pull that out? And did you rely on data and information that may be the sheriff?

May not fully appreciate. I don't know because it was interesting to see and I know even I think chief Norman the police Department came out and said that they still want to move forward with flock So can you just talk about that for a second? Well, I always want to start off by referencing it that you know I want to give kudos to the our shares office because They have not misused this technology

And the reason we want to start off with that is because we have seen the reports across this country about how law enforcement officials have been misusing and abusing this surveillance technology. We also have learned that FLOT, the company itself, has not been upfront about how this technology can actually be used and what the capabilities truly are. And I'm a former board member of the American Civil Liberties Union. I believe in our constitutional rights. Hey, I was a part of a lawsuit.

about protecting people's constitutional rights in this city and so when we looked at okay the data looked at the concerns we figured it was best for us not to put the funding there support the county board when it came down to removal and we actually invested those dollars that we would have been putting to the flock contract we put that towards eviction prevention mke

Right. And so for us, it was about a balance between public safety as well as privacy. And right now I'm going to err on the side of privacy because these cameras have been used to actually abuse people's privacy. And I would rather focus on making sure that we can also invest upstream as well to make sure that we're not, you know, we're actually dealing with

crime before it actually happens and so for me getting rid of these get rid of these fly cameras until the guard rails are in place until you have you know strict policies in place to make sure they're not being abused and also holding the company accountable itself with the data how to utilize that data I don't think these cameras should be running. So speaking of guard rails you came out recently with an announcement about AI technology and you know seniors and children yeah can you speak about that for a sec?

You know, I got three daughters and, you know, I want to make sure that they're protected. And so like a lot of people may not know that, you know, when a child or a teenager decides that they're going to create a Facebook account, the privacy settings even isn't set to being high. The default setting is being as loose as possible. So we place the burden on users and on families to increase the privacy versus putting these burdens on the tech companies.

who are literally utilizing artificial intelligence to target us in some type of capacity or using the data of our kids to create models to target them in the future. But then we think about our seniors. Artificial intelligence social media has been used to actually scam seniors. We have lost. We have been scanned. Our seniors have been scanned out of over a billion dollars in the state of Wisconsin. Say what? Yeah. Over a billion dollars have been scanned.

from families all across the state of Wisconsin, utilizing artificial intelligence. I mean, imagine those phone calls some of our seniors get saying,

Hey, this is your son. This is your daughter. This is your grandson. This is your granddaughter. You know, and, you know, I need I really need some help and I need you to, you know, go down to this Bitcoin machine and put some money into there. And so like right now, they're able to use your children's voices. Oh, absolutely. Facebook. Absolutely. Or the defects. Yeah. You know, and so like, and I think about the fact that, like, you know, my daughters see these commercials, you know, they see.

these AI images of me and so like for me it's like how do we and it's not about protecting me for a sake because i'm a political i'm an elected official i understand what how they're going to treat me but how do i make sure that my daughter's pictures right you know having a daughter in a college right now that her her picture isn't you know being plastered all over social media and being used in a deceptive way right and a lot of times we don't even know the difference on whether or not something is actually real or not

Because of the guard rules that have been or the restrictions that have been removed by this federal administration. I mean my my opponent literally had It was a deciding vote to actually put a ban on AI regulations for a decade So my opponent doesn't believe we should have these types of guard rules because he was allowing these tech companies to run rap or rap It doesn't donations is real because money money. They paid he delivered

We're the ones paying the price. So think so speaking of paying the price a second second and pivot talk about affordability the president has been on a Mad dash seven hours going up to Alaska most recently to tell people that it's not as bad as you think it is affordability I think at some points in times. He's even said it's a hoax It's made up the Democrats is playing with y'all

But you've been actually doing things around this whole issue of affordability for residents here in the county. Tell us about that. So much. I mean, one housing that's affordable, right? Like housing that's affordable is extremely important. You have people who are paying more than 30 percent, close to 50 percent, 60 percent in some cases for their own housing because the missing middle. You know, those who don't qualify for Section 8 can't find housing because the missing middle.

Right. So when you think about those who make too much money in order to receive government assistance for housing, but yet they don't make enough money to actually afford some of the market rate.

apartments or the market rate rents when it comes down to single family homes. And so we need to make sure that we're providing housing for individuals who may make more than 40 or $50,000 but don't make enough like close to $100,000 or $120,000 in order to live wherever they work or wherever they choose to live. So we have to provide that housing. We're talking about how do we make sure that we can bring utility costs down.

Right? We have a utility plan that's going to save people more money versus my opponent who's going to add $3,000 more to cost. Right? Because he wants to focus on burning more coal. $3,000 to what? Oh, yeah. $3,000 over the course of the next four years that is going to increase under his plan. We got to focus on how do we bring more clean energy?

you know online how do we bring clean energy jobs online while also making sure it's affordable and we're going to make sure to enshrine and state statute that affordability is actually one of the things that you know utility regulators have to take into account. Well I wish they would because the PSE you know in this vote about whether or not they're going to let we energies raise their rates for the I think it's the fifth time now. Oh absolutely.

at some point an income is not keeping pace with this. And then we're seeing record unemployment, particularly in, well, I shouldn't say record unemployment, but we're seeing high unemployment in the African-American community in particular, while other communities are kind of weathering the storm, we are being hit excessively hard. But it also makes me think about something else that Jonathan had put together that I wanted you to just kind of touch on, which was trying to protect these people that are

in these marginalized situations, so students that are renters, you know, what was that all about? I mean, because the rent is too damn high, Michelle. Like, let's just be honest. I'm sorry, Clark. What did the Amy and Cornice say over there? I mean, it is. And so we basically put out there a student renters bill of rights.

Because when you think about it, there's a lot of out-of-state investors who buy these apartment buildings, and they're not from here, and they jack up these rents. Or they buy our single-family homes in bulk to where families can't actually buy these homes. They're taking these, basically, these entry-level housing opportunities off the market. And so they're buying 100 homes, and on average,

It's about $150,000 a home. And it's just like, imagine what a family could do in that where they can actually be a part of the community, buy a home and be owner occupied versus us renting out to someone and then jacking up the rents because we know that they know that they can do it because we don't have any laws in place. I mean, because I've seen data that has said, and this has happened all over the country, but data that has said that there are some neighborhoods that are 40% owned. I mean, I'm occupied.

Owned by people that are outside of the state. Oh, yeah, you know, and I remember Sherman Park. We went through something similar I was telling somebody, you know, uh, Deutsche Bank that was connected to Trump a lot and a whole bunch of the nonsense in that first term I remember Rachel Maddow Deutsche Bank Deutsche Bank when I was watching MBC and then some data came out about the Sherman Park area and how many homes in the Sherman Park area were owned by a German bank in another country Deutsche Bank, and I was like

Wait a minute. This is what Rachel Maddow has been talking about in terms of the Trump administration. These people own homes in Sherman Park. So I think that the work, you know, that you have been doing to still try to address so many needs. I don't know how people ignore that or get around that. I can't imagine trying to do all of that and run for what? Wait, I'm on because I watched Lena do it.

You know, I watched the kitchen do I watched tons of people do it But to be able to also be in a position to produce it and get it done and get things signed And you know be able to see real real change So, you know, I'll just say this because we're up against the clock and I know you got to get out of here But for folks that are still Because I actually have some people who's like well I'm still trying to figure out because you know I was I'm still not happy that he got in the race got out the race got back in the race and I'm and I'm sitting in the shop going

Are you seriously telling me with everything that's going on? That's what's driving your decision. Because I'm not telling you to vote for him, but I'm asking you to tell me what's going to drive your decisions. Somebody getting in and out of a race. When you look at the totality, everything that's going on around us, I've talked to people about being one trick ponies, one issue voters. So what do you, you know, just for people that are listening, what would you say to them?

But what I would say to them is that it's too much at stake to be sitting on the sideline. You know, when you think about where we are today, sitting on the sideline will not allow us to get to the place where we need to go. And so for the past eight years, you think about Governor Evers, he's been playing defense. Everybody talks about this is the most important election. This is the most opportunity election that we have had to make sure that we can live.

all the boats in the place like the city of Milwaukee. I knew you were going to say before you left. I knew them boats was going to rise. And this is the opportunity to get on offense, right? Because you think about where we are and taking back the Senate, where we are and taking back the assembly. And then you have me at the top of the ticket. What more are we going to be able to do to move this state forward? What are we going to be able to do for communities of color, for women, for our children, to make sure their older adults

are getting access to the resources and are people with disabilities are getting access to the resources that they need. What I want folks to know is that I know that it feels hopeful. I know that people are frustrated. Hopeless. Excuse me. Thank you. I'm feeling hopeful because of the opportunity that we have. And I understand the frustration that people have with politics each and every single day. I'm asking you

To help me win this race in order to deliver for those who have been left out for so many decades When I think about where we are the historical moment is not lost on me. Yes, I have the opportunity to become the first black governor But what I really want to do is make child poverty history, right? What I really want to do is make housing insecurity history What I really want to focus on is how do we?

bridge the gap in the disparities that we have here in the state of Wisconsin. That's the type of history that I'm looking to achieve. But I can't do it if people don't want to get involved and are sitting on the sidelines. And so I need everybody's time, their talent, their treasure to make sure that we can get over the hump. Because at the end of the day, this is about who's going to work for you. Who's going to work

For the mother who is working two jobs trying to make sure that you continue to put food on the table Who's going to work for the father who is struggling each and every single day? You know to get to work because he's worried about whether or not he's going to be able to afford gas in this car I'm doing this for the for the for the kid who is a student at MATC or UWM wondering if they're going to be able to afford to continue their education because they're the tax they're seeing from this federal administration

I'm looking to be a governor for all of us, but it's going to take all of us to make it happen. So real quickly, someone is listening. Hey, Tyra. She said, good morning, Michelle. Great show this morning. My 10-year-old niece was in the car with me listening. And she mentioned lots of ads on her iPad for Tom Tiffany and David Crawley. After listening this morning, she said, quote, hey, David Crawley is actually nice.

She referenced some of the commercials about David Crawley, taking away a hospital benefits. I'm taking away hospital benefits, but she got out of the car with a new mindset about who David Crawley is. So thanks for the gracious. You're making a huge impact on all generations. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So with that, before he start crying, I'm going to get him out of here. Jonathan's sweating bullets in that sweater over there.

Didn't I tell you we had a schedule, girl? So look, Mr. Crawley, we got 20 days, bro. 20 days. Got to get it done. 20 days. And I'm laying it all out on the field. We're going to need some help, though. And we'll talk about that on the other side. But I want to thank David Crawley for coming in this morning. Thanks, Jonathan, for making it happen. And look, you can't complain.

if you're not in the game. And don't come see me because the minute I walk into places, everybody will talk politics. But now I'm getting to be like the folks at the NAACP National Office. Before we have any conversation, do you vote? Because I can't be wasting my breath on people who are not voting. Do you vote? Are you willing to vote? Are you open to voting?

We'll have a conversation. I'll be right back. We welcome back to the show. So just to let y'all know, um, I'm going to go back to commercial break in just a second. I extended the time with the interview on DC so that I can make sure that I got him in and, uh, completed, uh, but we got like a tight schedule. I got a guest coming in at eight o'clock. So I just want to make sure that people kind of know, like, you like, dang, she just came back. That's because I ran over my commercial break. Um, do I have a phone call? Do I got time for it or do I need to go out?

Let me get to Caller. Hey, Caller, what's happening? Hello? Yes, hello? Hey, how you doing, Ms. Fine? My name is Aaron Wormack. I know you, I know your schedule is tight. I was hoping to get off with Governor Caller. I want to get a message through him through you. I try to show a different outlet. I have a way to increase this voting base. I'm a retired schoolteacher. I can put him in front of some students from different high school students and have him talk about the

the joys of early voting. Also, my son placed for UWM. Their team is going to be out of town November 2nd, so they're going to miss voting. So I can help put them in front of some college athletes, whether it's Marquette, Carol Collins, or Concordia to talk about early voting, which these athletes are going to have to do because they're allowed to be out of state. So glad you said that. So I was trying to get the whole for this campaign. I couldn't do. Not a problem, bro. Say less.

Say less. You got the right person. Um, do me a favor. Leave your number with Jermaine and I'll call you when I get off the air. Let's do that. Let's get this going. All right. Thank you. I appreciate the call. Hang on. Don't hang up. Jermaine is going to get you. All right, y'all. So while Jermaine is taking care of that, just so folks know, like I said, I got a guest coming in this morning and um

There are going to be a lot of things that are happening. Let me just take a quick second and say this. A number of people reached out to me yesterday. I announced to folks that I lost my briefcase yesterday with my laptop computer in it and my entire life is on my computer. I'm mentioning this as a cautionary tale. Also, if you see anybody with a blue laptop computer with a blue kind of denim cloth woven tight cloth.

Top on it. It's made that way. It came from the manufacturer that way. You're not going to see another computer like mine in the city. Let me just be clear. You're not going to see another computer like mine in the city. I go out of my way to have distinctive stuff and I messed up yesterday. I left the studio after someone has stopped me to get some information for voting information. Some materials for voting and put my briefcase up on top of my spare tire on the back of that Jeep.

got done helping the sister, got her what she needed, got in my vehicle, drove away with my briefcase still on top of my spare tire. It took me about four and a half hours to realize that I did not have my computer because I got ready to do some work and needed that particular computer because I got a desktop at home but I wanted my laptop, couldn't find it, and that's when I, you know,

Trace myself back and realize, Michelle, you put that dang bag up on top of that tire. Uh, I was on Capitol. And so I put out a Facebook post. If anybody saw it on, you know, Capitol or, you know, heard about it by finding the bag, please holler at me. Let me know, um, cause I was going to pay a reward for it as well. But cautionary tale is my son has been telling me forever and has bought me an external hard drive.

Mom save all your stuff on your laptop to an external hard drive so that if anything ever happens You got all your files and your information. He he's bought I bought myself one and he bought me one Sorry had never done it Now I had to go buy a new computer yesterday, and I'm sitting up here with no files my entire life Was on that computer

I have no files. So if you're not someone who backs, if you live off your computer and you travel with your computer, you take it to meetings, you take it to work, you, you know, please get an external hard drive. Don't be me. And if you, you know, some people say they stuff to the cloud. I don't do that. Um, but be better, learn from my mistakes. Cause now I'm out here blank out because.

I didn't do what my son has been begging me to do forever. So I gotta go to break. Did you want to say something? Because you're smiling way too hard. You know I'm a fool, right? Yes. Clark, you might have to mute this one.

You know what? I'm glad you can laugh at my struggle this morning. But I'll tell you, I just had to shake it off. It's so funny, real quick. First of all, let me say thank you to Clark. Clark told me this morning when I pulled up, he said, I want to look for a shell. He said, I drove him down, capital looking for it. It's some listeners to the show, some bros, I know they say.

I got some of my guys out looking for your computer. What color bag was it? It was in my black, um, my black, uh, Carl Lagerfeld bag. But like I said, the computer is what's distinctive. They said we cannot hear Jack. They didn't hear you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, we played the music. Oh, OK. So those of you that are timing in on Facebook and YouTube.

We ask that you run outside. If you run outside, you can get what I was playing.

I'm gonna tell you I'm lucky because normally I have a whole bunch of stuff in my computer bag But lately it had been so heavy. I had been cleaning it out and but my tickets to the freedom I mean the freedom fund dinner is in the bag. So the NAACP ain't gonna be letting me eat. They're gonna be like, I'm sorry Somebody else gonna show up like yeah, so what's going on here?

I got tickets. I don't know what this is. Somebody's going to use my tickets to the Freedom Fund. They're going to be sitting at the table at the NOV table, like they guessed. Judge Taylor, I want you to know that was your ticket too. So we're going to have to have to, you know, buy some tickets. I'll be right back.

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Maybe if I went to church more Lift your hands right now Anybody got If I went to church more God I had to be a little bit better But he keeps giving me you He keeps putting me in these situations. Well, you know hey, I May have a remedy this morning. Well, there's a song that said he keeps

doing great things. But I think I got to do something great for him too. Yeah, it's give and take around me. I think I may not be holding up my end of the bargain. But I think I may have somebody in the studio this morning that might be able to help me, you know, share some light on my condition. This is my first opportunity to meet this young brother who is the

freshly installed for some folks. You know, the members know you've been there for a minute, but a lot of folks in the community may not. Over at St. Matthew's CME Church, we have two locations because I'm used to 2944 North Nile Street because that's where we would always go.

Uh, that's where we go for community brainstorming, but I knew that there had been work underway over office 76th Street. Uh, and so I kept trying to pull it up this morning because there was some discrepancy about how to spell pastor's first name, mark the love, sending wrong information. And one of his congregants is, you know, on staff here at WNOV and she yelling, that's not my pastor name. That's not how you say spell his name. And so let me welcome.

to the studio, none other than the Reverend Dr. Tiggs, E. Washington. Hey, sir, how you doing this morning? I am good. Good morning. And I'm just grateful that people know my name. Be careful. Like my mom would say, don't wear it out. Don't wear it out. Folks will start calling on you. I'm going to tell you, I was.

Cracking up when I walked out into the uh, because I read a little bit of the bio and then I walked down and I said where the bastard? Because you know, you look flabbered to be a pastor, you know, the church is looking looking fabulous these days. Um, so welcome. This is an honor to meet you. And then I heard you were a member of the D nine. Of course, it's only one way. Wait, wait now. Hold on. And you would be a member of

Oh, 1906, Alpha Phi Alpha. Okay, so my son is a Q, the whole, you know, the bruzz, I got a, it's plenty of bruzz listening. So I got to represent, they would be a little testy. Look, now your people go, okay, same Matthews, everybody gonna start checking in. That's my pastor, Dr. Virginia Williams. That's my pastor. Let me see somebody, one of my other sorrows hit me up. You know, he my pastor, Michelle.

Liz sent me a message Jermaine. She said Jermaine is your assignment from God. Lift your hand right now. I know he didn't. Everybody on the side of my voice. He that kind of past. Okay, we play games. So look for folks that are not familiar with you, please take a second and tell people I see you like bracelet. We got problems up in the studio. I love it. I love it.

So take a minute and tell people a little bit about yourself. To my Milwaukee family, my name is Reverend Dr. Tiggs Washington, originally from Buffalo, New York. I went to school at Lane College in Jackson, Tennessee. I went to grad school in Chicago at Northwestern's Seminary at Gary Evangelical Theological Seminary. And then I spent seven years

and my first pastorate in Philadelphia. Then in 2022, I came to the Chicago area, and now I am in Milwaukee. So you said you went to Northwestern. Correct. Well, they're a seminary with Northwestern. OK. All right. Because I'm going to say right now, I can be a little janky. I can be a little rough on people. And you know, I saw how much people call myself doctor. And they did a correspondence course. So I.

ask those questions. Because in fact, your member who just hit me up, you know, we talk about earned education because I value it so much and making sure that, you know, when people start throwing these titles around, it's some real academic credentials and work behind that. But you are a

whether that comes in checking a lot of boxes. I mean, you talk about the collegiate experience in terms of HBCU, member of Divine Nine, but also PWI attendance. So you've gotten to see a lot of things. As you are taking on this new assignment, and where were you before? Were you preaching at a church before you got here? I was prior for the last four years. I pastored a church.

In Chicago, but I also was so in the CME church. We do have multiple churches. We are a denomination That's connected in the US and Haiti Jamaica in Africa, but I was Pastoring in Chicago at a smaller church, but I was also the was called the presiding elder which is pretty much like a supervisor I was supervising our Milwaukee district churches. Okay, and so we have about 12 churches in the Milwaukee area

which includes Beloit and Racine as well. And so I was kind of the supervisor of the Milwaukee District Churches. And so when the former pastor, my predecessor, now Bishop Richard Shaw, got elevated and elected to the office of Bishop, this opportunity came open. And it's now great that I'm able to just focus strictly on one assignment.

Before, like I said, I was a supervisor, so I had to make sure all 12 churches, including St. Matthew, was doing what they needed to do and ensuring that the property and the ministries were going strong. But now, just to be able to, like I said, focus all my energies on this church has been beneficial thus far. So just so you know, some of you are a fellow, and I've never said it, so excuse me if I say it wrong, he's my fellow.

Lane night. How do you say it? Lane night. Okay, so yeah, you got some of your folks Alumni checking in listening college 545 Lane Avenue Jackson, Tennessee And we do have a strong HBCU alumni organization here if you have not been connected to them yet, but you know, I'm glad to have the opportunity to talk to you because

Doing civic engagement work, voter registration, leading up to this upcoming election, we have been visiting a lot of churches. I'm the co-chair of the Social Action Committee for Delta Sigma Theta. And one of our things that we've been doing is visiting a lot of churches to talk about the referendums on the upcoming ballot or for the upcoming November election. So I'm getting to see churches across all spectrums.

Older traditional churches well established some of the younger newer churches non-denominational churches And I'm going to some churches where membership is aging Not a lot of young people. I'm going to other churches where nobody in churches 040, you know very very young church and I'm interested in I got to take a commercial break, but when we come back interested in you know that 30,000 foot view about

how we are either developing, evolving, what's going on, particularly in the black community in relationship to religion, because you just see so many different dynamics. And one of the things politically that I talk about here is my concern even, you know, when we'll have faith leaders who tell us, you know, we're not political. And I'm like, you may not be, but everything about your church is.

You know, so i'm gonna let you ponder on that for a second and then we'll we'll address that when we get back on the other side michelle brine wno v a 68 um 106.5 fm uh we got a real preach in the house so jama'an can stop faking listen i do this thing for real it will be we'll be right back you know easy all right family welcome back to the show so before i went to the break i uh let everyone know that i have been joined in studio by the uh pastor over at st mass

you see in the church, Dr. T, Reverend Dr. T, from Washington. Those are the east answers. You can come to the same man if y'all want to. See, see, see, we're doing that. One of my friends, or she's like my little sister, her pops has

a middle name that nobody in the family knows. His children don't know it. His wife took it to her grave. And so now I gotta come to say Matthew so I can find out what the East is for. But Pastor, before we went to break, I was talking and I posed a question for you. You remember the question? We were dealing with politics and the responsibility of the church. Yes. So my father, rest in peace, he was a politician.

And so he was a politician, but he was also the trustee chair of his of his local church. And so I was out there at a young age to help putting up signs. And so I got introduced to the political arena pretty early. And I knew how he was passionate about two, three things, family, the church and politics. Those are the three things. And so in addition to that, I'm from Buffalo, New York.

My first experience for a long period of time dealing with I'm gonna say racism, but yeah racism was when I went to college in Tennessee I got I went to college from 08 to 12 and when President Obama first got elected I was in Tennessee And it was a different reaction When he was elected in 08 when I was in Tennessee then we got reelected in 2012 when I was in Chicago

So two different realities there. And so you take a second and just kind of let people know what you mean by that. Well, Tennessee is this traditionally red state and Jackson is not the biggest city in around Lane College. That is pretty much where the majority of the African American population resided. And so when he got elected, of course, we're happy. We're celebrating around the Lane College community, but

Let's just say there were some targeted attacks in that community to kind of dampen that celebration. I mean Confederate flags coming out of nowhere. Somebody had put a noose on a noose on a collar on the campus and so it was a different experience while we were celebrating. They were not too happy and so.

I didn't understand it so much because I think I was just a freshman So I didn't understand it so much until I really began understanding the lay of the land in Tennessee and learning how divided it truly was and so when I got to when I got to seminary a preacher often said When you are Preparing your sermon you off to have a Bible in one hand and a newspaper in the other

And I think that's how I try to approach obviously in today's world. We don't have newspapers You know, but I try to approach, you know the sermon from what we I have a responsibility You know, we think about church is one of the few institutions where people come every week and listen to one message They come to church they come to Bible studies Some come to serve food or whatever a choir or so church is one of the few the few institutions that you hear

a message every week and that you hopefully will digest it and be able to incorporate it into your daily living. And so I think that, I think that as pastors and as church leaders, we have to be able to understand that Jesus, you know, the reason why he was crucified was because of unjust political system.

And so when you when you look at the lay of the land, I have never heard it said like yeah So when you look at the lay of the yes, we like the atonement the allergy which means he's dying for our sins and that has a place but the same time Jesus was crucified an unjust political woman oppressive system and so I think that when we look at it and we look at the look at

the work of Jesus, right? He came to heal the sick. He came to liberate the oppressed. He came to empower those. Matthew 24, whatever you do unto the least of these. And so when we look at Jesus' agenda throughout the Gospels, our agenda has to line up to that. And so, of course, we know there are important political ramifications coming up. We have to be able to say, which agenda?

best aligns with the work and the teachings of Jesus You know, and I think that oftentimes it's easy to say well He'll understand we'll understand it better by and by Sometimes it's easy to understand. Well, just pray about it and there's no we have a responsibility I think that we have to take that responsibility very seriously granted as You know, we can't always well. No, we can't really tell people who to vote for but

You know when Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's render unto God what is God in other words? It's not it wasn't just about taxes was about fulfilling your civic obligations So render unto Caesar which represented the government at that time so when you render unto Caesar you're doing your due diligence as a citizen of whatever particular City-state that you are in so I I interpret that when I'm rendering unto Caesar I'm doing my civic duty by voting paying taxes or whatever

But I'm also going to render unto God what is God so I think we have this Unfortunately, we have this divide in a lot of church communities to church to be involved in politics to church Just say you know what as their problem. I'm gonna focus on my soul salvation One of my my mentors often says sometimes we could be so heavily minded that we know earthly good and so I think that we have to understand that We do have a responsibility a civic responsibility to engage in the

the political environment in today's world. So when you think about your approach to teaching, to engaging either your parishioners, lay folks, what's your style? Have you kind of thought about that? Because it's funny.

Having grown up and grew up in Baptist churches. So I'm accustomed to I can tell you the cadence I can tell you when them, you know, the organism germane in the background gonna start tea in it up You know, and obviously they're like, okay, we got about 10 more minutes, you know, so What have you had you had to think about your style that is something that just evolved over time? Is there somebody that influenced the way?

that you go about serving? How does that work? I like to look at some of the people that I grew up watching, number one role model, the late Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King. I love his concern for the least of these. I love his concern for

um, the politics and just making sure that everybody has the necessities of life fighting for the oppressed. I love, I love that. Um, contemporary and sometimes it could be a little controversial, but I do love Reverend Dr. Jamal Brown. Um, I do like him. So I try to have both of those approaches. I, like, I believe that we ought to have our own style though. I don't want to be preaching and you think that all.

That's sound just like you know, but there are certain things there are certain aspirations that I draw from Reverend I'm thinking a guy Reverend Marcus Crosby. There's other Influences, but I'm always drawn to folks who are able to marry what's going on Inside the church, but what's also going out? What's going on when I walk out of these doors? So to that point and we gotta take a break, but when we come back I want to ask the question about

if you've thought about or if you see, because I know, as I said, in visiting some of these churches, there are some things that are standing out for me. Are there any things that come to your mind that are some of the great, great issues impacting the church today? Some of the things that, you know, if we talk about survival of our institutions, if we talk about whether it's succession planning, but are there issues facing the church that

we maybe haven't seen before, or that if we are not paying attention to them, that we could end up doing and seeing more harm than good. All right. Let me take a break, Michelle, Brian, WNLV. Going to church up here a little bit this morning. Yeah. The two of y'all don't ever need to be together. The two of y'all cannot be together in the same room.

Yeah, this is a problem.

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Book your seat now. 504-814-0664. Transportation-only concert tickets sold separately. All right, family, welcome back to the show. I am so thrilled. I see y'all tapping in, checking in about this young brother we got in the studio. Pastor over at St. Matthews, CME Church. I posed a question before I went to the break, and I know we got a caller, but give me a second. Okay, cool. I posed a question.

Because I've just like I said visiting a lot of churches. I'm seeing a lot of different things and From your vantage point, are there things that may be issues or? The future of the church as we see it or the things that keep you up at night or you think about in terms of either growing memberships or how you are getting the word to to lay people

What are the issues that you see that may be facing? Or opportunities? Depending on how you want to frame it. My thought process behind growing membership, I try to grow relationships. I've rarely ever used the word membership. How can we grow relationships? Because that's so important. Like, you know, sometimes when you go to a big university, you're just a number.

Like, I don't want to just add to the church role or to the church number. I want to add relationships. And so my motto when I got there, my motto is together we build. And granted, as I told you during the break, we do have a sanctuary project going on, but it's more than construction. It's building faith inwardly. It's building our communities both inward and outward, but also building for the future.

And so I think that for me, my starting point when for like we're growing membership deals with growing relationships. And so to answer your question about are there issues that plague the church? Yes, everything that that everything that plagues our community plagues the church, you know, and I think that we can talk about the health disparities, you know, the inability for people to access health.

or proper health care that affects the church because people may you know chow infertility people may die prematurely if folks aren't healthy then physically then that impacts the church when you're talking about poverty of course that deals with collective financial as a community how you know money in the community when you're dealing with

The lack of access to basic food and water and clothing like everything that plagues minority communities plagues Let me say Matthew. I can't talk for other congregations and so because that stuff will enter there enter the into the church and so mental health That plagues, you know our communities disproportionately mass incarceration that

takes away a lot of the men that can be doing work in the church and so there are a lot of issues but the one issue probably that really keeps me up at night i would say so many oh my goodness it's so many it's so many but

Health, I guess the health disparity would have to be probably up there. I think it's a lot of times when you hear people talk about if you don't have your health, you don't have nothing else because you can have money, but still be sick. Yeah. And I mean, but you physically are unable to even enjoy the money, utilize the money. The money in fact is now going towards health care in our household. We have a aging pop and

His retirement money is being eaten up by health care aides at this point, you know, because his health is not what it used to be. So while we are at work, me and my little sister, little god sister, you know, we got somebody coming in to get them up in the morning. We got somebody in in the afternoons later, you know, weekends, if we got things we got to do. So if the health is off, exactly, everything can be impacted and not.

I want to stay on that for a moment because a lot of times we're not, we're not prepared for end of life. That's a whole nother discussion. We do so much prepared when the baby is born, right? We have the baby showers, gender reveals, we, you know, do all of these preparations for it when the baby is born. But most of the times, a lot of times in our communities, we don't really prepare for end of life. End of life is expensive. It's taxing.

And I think we need to do a better job at ensuring folks have proper life insurance. Like I said, that is a huge issue in our community. I think we have had, the listeners to this show literally helped to bury a 16 year old baby girl not that long ago because the family didn't have

the resources to be able to take care of that. And we get those calls all the time where people need assistance. Jay, do I still have a call? Let me get them in real quick. Hey, caller, what's happening? Good morning. Good morning. I have a question for the pastor. OK. On the ballot, they've got a question there. And it talks about shutting down places of voices.

going on supposedly in the pandemic or some such. And allowing other establishments to stay open. And we know that the place of worship is a comfort place, even if some people, faith, they lose in healing faith. So with what's your take on shutting down, the place of worship, corporate worship, we know the Bible says for sake, not for the sake of men.

with the brethren, I understand, playing together corporate mutual, you know, individual worship is fine. So what do you feel about putting that on a government forum, having the people to vote to shut down the establishment that God has put in place?

for us to corporate worship and get strength. Some of us need that corporate worship just to get strength. So with that, man, I'm going to take dance off there, but I'm anxious to hear it coming from you. But wait, I just want to make sure that you set that question up accurately because the question was, hang on, hang on. The question was put on the ballot by the Republican Party about whether or not a government, the state government should have the authority to close down

a faith organization in terms to say that they could not assemble during a pandemic or a major emergency. And I have the language here, but I want to be clear about how we're phrasing this because nobody put it on the ballot that you should be able to close down these organizations and leave others open. That's not how this is worded. Republicans put it on the ballot.

to ask the question whether or not the state government should be able to have the power to close a faith institution in a emergency. So that's the question. OK, that's the question. All right. So now we can let the brother answer it. Thank you for the call. Thank you. All right. Well, I think I want to. It's deeper than that. I think there is an attack on a lot of the black institutions general, though. And so when when you.

take for instance the inability to come to a worship or to come to a church in general it does unlike for the black community church at one point was everything it was the bank it was the community center it was the boys and girls club it was the school many of our black colleges were founded in churches and so I do think that unlike other communities the church in a black community has such a huge influence on

On life of and you know, and so I think that any threat to Now during emergencies is different, but any threat to kind of shut down black Churches is a threat to the black community and also look at if I'm not mistaken President our current president he had brought out a list saying that there are certain occupations that will not be given student funding, right?

Notice was on there. A lot of those occupations are largely employers of black and brown bodies. And guess what? If I'm not mistaken, I think theology and religious studies are on them as well. And so which means that if I want to go to school to be certain things, I can't think of the list offhand, then I have to have my own funding. And so I do think there is an attack on some of our institutions. And let me just say this because I have

done work to try to talk about this particular amendment that would actually change. And just so folks know, we were just talking about that during the break. Pastor Washington, you've been on a job for about two months now, right? Yeah. About that. Okay. So you and you coming into this situation where a lot of stuff is going on, but I pulled up the

Question so it's question three governmental entity. Nope. That's the wrong one question to freedom to gather in places of worship during an emergency Shall section 18 of article one of the Constitution which deals with religious liberty be amended to prohibit the state or political subdivision of the state from ordering the closure of or forbidding gatherings in places of worship in response to a state of emergency including a public health emergency this specifically dealt with cold over it specifically and

The one thing that and, you know, when I have been talking to people and this is a personal decision, folks going to have to make it for themselves. But the one thing that I was clear about while, yes, liquor stores and because that's the example that everybody uses, liquor stores are able to stay open. What it, you know, the things that I've said, you go into a liquor store for five or seven minutes, you make your purchase, you might say, how did the cashier you pay? You walk out, you go to church.

If you go to church and you're lucky, you're there for hours. There's a family reunion every Sunday. Hour and a half. You know, you could be in church for three hours, depending on where you go. And by the time you get done, hug your neighbor, tell your neighbor, you know, praise and worship dance, all the different things that happen, the propensity to spread the disease or whatever that situation is, that's the health emergency, is greater. It's greater than some of the other businesses. So this was about

How these places function not what they do there and that's where we get lost in the sauce in terms of the argument you're focused on what they what the What was the actual business? But it is

What is the interaction of people that are there? If I'm not moving around, I'm in and I'm out. That's different from being somewhere where I may have much more engagement that could potentially spread the disease. That's all I'm asking people to understand when you have this conversation. But it's a difficult conversation. And I get that. You want to say something, Pastor? I would say that that's why, you know, churches, we have to stay informed what's going on politically, specifically if there are bills and or measures.

that are directly related to the religious community because, you know, that stuff is important. A lot of the legislation that we think or the agendas that we think might align to some of our principles, we need to understand that a lot of these things, they do affect the church one way or another, but I do think that, like I said, not only do we have to, we have to stay informed.

You know, we cannot just wash our hands and go and turn and turn the other way. We have to stay informed. Well, speaking of staying informed because we are up against the clock. My show is about to end, but you all are continuing the tradition over at St. Matthew's in terms of hosting community brainstorming. And in fact, on the October 24th meeting that's coming up.

the discussion about these referendums is actually one of the topics, I mean, or is the topic of the day. Can you just speak a little bit about that continued commitment to that? Well, wherever I go, politics are important. You know, I think that, like I said, I'm a huge Dr. King influence my life. Really good reason why I'm in the pastor. My father was a politician. And so I do think that is important. I do believe that knowledge is important. Sometimes we don't, we don't know what we don't know.

And so I do think that once again church, because we have so many churches and churches have such an influence in our community, we have to use that influence to be able to educate so that we can mobilize and be able to ensure that whatever we do on to the least of these, we did it also on to have.

All right, folks. So tomorrow when I come on the show, I'll be talking more about the start time for community brainstorming. A number of folks that you know from the community are going to be there to have this conversation, information about these referendum questions, vote guides on the upcoming in gubernatorial race. All this is nonpartisan. It is just the information. Nobody is trying to sway you one way or the other. Pastor Calhoun is checking in. Hey, Pastor Calhoun, he is listening.

And I will definitely touch bases. All right, y'all. So I got to wrap the show. Look, we have got to get you back in. It will be great to check in and a little bit to see how things are going. Also to hear how the...

the churches, you know, like I said, you're still working on a sanctuary and then the plans for the other location as you all begin to kind of make progress. So it will be great to have you back through. And just one word, Saint Matthew, we will be celebrating our 108th church anniversary this Sunday. And we're excited to be able to once again be in this Milwaukee community for over a century. So when we come, when folks come to church, they go on a 76th street. 76th street at 830.

830 830 830 we are child friendly But we have a good time we have a good time now you marry I didn't ask I am married I am married to be five years in November married to children and my wife is an aka so first fan is in the building and

I know she's listening. Hi, baby. I love it. I love it. All right then. Look, family, I will talk to y'all tomorrow. I want to thank Mark for love, for helping me get connected to Pastor Washington. And I am looking forward to the conversation on 24th. And again, if you ever have any information you want to share with the community, you got to open to a policy here. I know you appreciate it. That mother phone call. All right, family, I didn't have to talk to Jermaine today. I'm so excited. That's all right. I'm going to invite this man to my revival.

I'm having next week. At the house? No. It's at the park. It's called chicken revival. There's nothing but fried chicken. But we're going to revive, amen. Oh my god. We need to pray for you so bad. Somebody pray for you. All right, y'all. That's the wrap for the show. I will talk to y'all tomorrow. Thank you for watching. Chicken. Bring the lorries.

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