To say Mark is geeking out is an understatement as he invites Vice President of Political Studies at the Niskanen Center, Geoff Kabaservice, to the show. Geoff, who is also author of Rule and Ruin: The Downfall of Moderation and the Destruction of the Republican Party, From Eisenhow to the Tea Party, discusses excerpts from his book and aspects of the 2024 election versus this country's past.

Geoff says Trump wins if he loses and wins if he wins because he'll never admit defeat and it'll fuel his cause. "Chaos is Trump's friend". As we dive further into the history of the electoral process Geoff says the electoral college has never worked the way the founding fathers ever intended and the system we have now works "less well than the popular vote". Geoff talks about how he believes the Republican Party can return to it's roots and you can find out how in this week's segment.

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