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Woods, Wilds, and Whitetails: A Journey with Patrick Durkin
Raised in the Woods · Sat Aug 1, 2026
We get to broadcast into the wonderful states of Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and Iowa.
Thank you for coming along on this journey.
My name's Joel Clayfish.
Running the show or at least.
At least they let me think I do once in a while, but not really.
Co-captain Ellie Lawton is here by my side.
She is the culinary in with the most is to helps us bring that field and forage to the table in a way that you can learn it and do it at home, which is.
phenomenal asset.
I thought I knew how to cook until we started making some of the amazing recipes with Wild Game since Megan Salazar and Ellie Lawton became part of the show.
And that's just fantastic.
We eat good.
Yeah, we sure do.
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If you're new to the outdoors or hunting or fishing or foraging, please understand we are a safe space for everybody interested in the outdoors.
This show talks about everything from camping to kayaking to hunting.
fishing and it is a wide tent we've talked in the past about how
Political philosophies from the right and the left are starting to come together in the world of organic harvesting and eating of wild animals.
And those harvests are so well in check that they're necessary to create conservation for the states that we broadcast to and somebody who has experienced conservation across this United States for five plus decades is Patrick Durk...
an outdoor writer, television, radio guy, and Patrick, you made the drive to come to the studio tonight.
to record with us.
And I want to say thank you for that.
I'm honored to have you here.
Your stories are incredible.
I want to talk specifically now for a little while about the show Meat Eater and your role there because that's the largest that that is the show that broke the mold from the outdoor industry.
And you know, you could you could argue the Robertson family and Duck Dynasty and Duck Commander paved that way.
But Meat Eater makes
mistake about what it is.
It is about eating wild game that you hunt or fish.
How on earth did you get hooked up with that?
Well, I should say it.
I'm a writer.
Excuse me, I never been on the actual TV show, but in the podcast multiple times But my main contribution to mediators for their website, you know writing and I I started writing for them back around when they first launched read they kind of relaunched me either I don't know if you know the whole history but Steve started the show back around 2013 2014 and then that rolled along on the outdoor channel and in other places in Netflix
And then in 2018, they kind of did a rebrand, got a big investor, and it really took off.
It got big.
And at that time, this was on June 2018, Steve invited me to start writing for them.
And so I wrote basically every two, three weeks, I wrote a full-length feature about some topic that we agreed for me to write about.
And I'm still writing, but now I'm 70, so I've been backing off a little bit now.
But I think I've written over 150 articles now for meat eater over the past nine years.
And I still like writing.
I've always thought that I have a hard time calling it a job or work, because I think one thing I will always say about having the Navy background was, in the Navy, you work your ass off.
And I really realized that what I do isn't, compared to real work, I don't try to feel sorry for myself about how many hours I work on my job, because I think it's a lot of time behind the computer.
The story I'll tell that illustrates how you got to make it as an outdoor writer.
You have to spend time as much time, more time, behind the computer than you do in the woods.
It's the only way you're going to make enough money at it to
to pay for things out in the woods.
But my youngest daughter, who's all of Lacey's age, she came home from high school back in the early 2000s, had a classmate, some boy, that wanted to job shadow me for a day.
And my daughter told him, why would you want to do that?
He sits in the basement all day and stares at his computer.
I do.
That's, you know, being a reporter, being a columnist, it's on the phone.
It's covering meetings.
It sounds like it's all fun and games, but I think, ah, the hunting and fishing is a big part of it, an important part of it.
But when it comes right down to it, you don't make money out unless you work.
and you work every day of the week.
You get up early, stay at the desk late, works at the weekends many times.
So it's not as romantic as you might think, but I don't apologize for it.
I think I'm one of those guys that when they say on your death bed, you won't have these regrets about not having worked too much.
I think, I don't know, I might have a few regrets about things I didn't.
didn't cover stories that didn't get out there and work on other things took their place.
Because I think what I do for a living, I've been lucky.
It's fun to have a talent that you can do something with it.
I get almost sentimental when you talk about it.
You know, we have somewhat parallel paths.
I spent a great deal of time as a reporter.
And what's interesting to me that I want to talk about more when I
talk about the experiences more is that so many people want to be famous in the outdoors, right?
And I don't think that there is such so much of a realization as to how much work it is compared to the fame aspect of it and the money aspect that accompanies that.
But I'm excited to delve a little deeper into that with you and to talk about some of the great stories you've covered and some of the outdoors that is
imprinted on your soul, which is the real reason people who care about the outdoors do it.
It is not for the likes.
It is not for the listens or views on the TikTok.
It's for the real true love and passion of the outdoors, which is what Raised in the Woods is about.
We love having you along, and we've got more with Patrick Durkin.
This is Raised in the Woods.
What's up, everybody?
This is Raised in the Woods.
My name is Joel Clayfish.
I get to jockey this derby.
Oh, kind of a little past the
So I get to host Raised in the Woods, a show about the outdoors of the Great Midwest, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, and Iowa.
Some of the most
Underrated undervalued outdoor experiences in the entire country happen here Ellie Lawton is the co-host of the show.
She is an award-winning acclaimed French certified French Culinarian which is fantastic because an important part of the outdoors hunting fishing is Bringing that forage to the table bringing that game to the table We help you do that in an interesting and easy way
so that you're not afraid to step outside the box and do that.
We've got a phenomenal panel today.
Our star panelist of the show is Patrick Durkin, a lifelong outdoorsman.
50 years he spent in the outdoor industry writing about it, experiencing it, talking on TV shows.
We're going to get into one of his most fascinating and topical things that Patrick Durkin is a part of Meat Eater.
Yes, I'm excited to talk about this.
The largest outdoor show, which is literally about eating what you kill, one of the things we talk about on this show.
We've got Sarah Marinas here.
She's our homesteader.
Of course, Dan Tim is our local archery expert and adventure man and Megan the Somalia pirate is here as well without her lover Dave this week.
So shout out to Dave.
Sorry you weren't here.
We're having a blast without you though.
So, uh, so we'll see you next time.
Uh, I want to go into wilds of the week because I did something this last week that I
I absolutely love and I look forward to it every year.
I don't know if those of you out there have watched the show or listened to the show or seen the show.
No, food is my favorite dish.
And I had an outdoor television show that aired on Channel 12, the ABC station in Milwaukee for 13 years called Kill It, Clean It, Cook It.
I was out there probably before Stephen Ronella.
made a life out of his nationally.
There's sound.
Yes.
And the teleprompter was chiseled into rocks.
Yes.
That was a very fun thing.
But I'll be honest, as the creator of that show and the host of the show, writer of the show, and I had a
fantastic friend Peter Kafka's who he and I did that show together and Jason Hunter from channel 12 the chief videographer at channel 12 we put that show together and when I reminisce about it I think to myself what a cool thing it was to kind of be ahead of the curve of culinary being such a big part
of the outdoors and hunting and fishing and how it has really taken off into one of the greatest television shows, in my opinion, ever created Meat Eater.
Patrick Durkin is here from that.
And we're going to hear from him about Meat Eater, what he does for them, how he got hooked up with Stephen Ranella and Meat Eater, how he got to be such a large part of the outdoor industry.
But first, let's do those wilds.
pudgy pies.
For those of you who don't know what a pudgy pie is, it's two small hand-sized cast irons that hook together with iron rods and you basically put two pieces of bread in it, fill it with it, whatever you like, sweet or savory, cap them together and throw it in a fire and it makes this handheld crusty.
pocketed pocket.
It's a
Uh, yeah.
I mean, you guys talked about it on last week's show a little bit, but in the wake of the World Cup, um, just getting out and kicking the soccer ball around with my son.
Really?
Yeah.
Did you play soccer?
I did play soccer.
Yeah.
What did
Um, I was, uh, marking back on defense.
So like the, the, the right guy in the backfield.
Sure.
On the right
hand side of the field.
Right
fullback.
Yeah.
Right fullback.
Yep.
Yeah, I played keeper.
Oh, I wanted to play keeper, but you know, at 14 years old, we had a guy that was like six four.
So yeah, he was automatically the key was
Yeah.
No, he
a great guy.
Shout out
were the
the backup keeper.
There was even a time I went in and made some miraculous saves made my mom nervous.
I was going to be in the position with all the stress, you know, of the, of the, of the goalkeeper, but, uh, yeah, an affinity for keepers coming from the defensive position.
So I loved it.
crusaders, right?
Our starting keeper was about 6'4 and I came in at 5'10.
Needless to say, I didn't play much and didn't play after that.
Not a bad position to be, though.
However, not much food gets past me.
I'm just a keeper of food.
I'll just say that.
Lacey, Tim, you brought along your lover today, and she's quite an interesting character, too.
I wonder why you've been hiding her from us, Dan.
No
I can
get it.
So my, while of the week was we had a date night on Friday at an outdoor wedding.
One of my previous interns got married in bear
enjoyable the Each summer we try to spend at least one week with our grandkids who'd like to hunter fish and so far we'll have nine grandkids now
Do all
No.
So far, the three boys who are older all love it.
My other grandson's only one, so he's not going yet.
But what I found fascinating is I took two of them, the two eight-year-olds, out on Lake Michigan off of Mantowoc.
I hadn't been out on Lake Michigan in quite a few years, so it's kind of like the shakedown cruise where you try to get.
Get
yeah.
so hopefully that helped.
But then they really taught me how to run multiple lines at the same time.
But what I found fascinating was it was a tough morning.
They were catching salmon like crazy this summer, like Michigan.
But that morning it was dead calm, hot, nothing was happening.
We got out there before dawn and we still didn't do any good.
But what was most satisfying was when the morning came and went,
You really have one strike and one little flash of excitement.
The two boys couldn't wait to get back out in the afternoon.
great.
And that's nice to realize that I think these guys really like to like to fish.
They aren't just along for the ride.
They don't just go along when you're catching fish.
And so that meant a lot to me that I thought because I think I think hunting and fishing it does if it doesn't have some of that element of failure interspersed with
the big moments is not really hunting and fishing then.
It's just so much you can't control.
That's a
Patrick.
Right.
And so like when two eight-year-olds start discovering that and you see evidence of it, that's really satisfying.
Yeah, I'm still not, public speaking for me was something I really had to work at though.
I could tell stories to get in front of a group of people and talk.
It was a long time working at it.
And then so when I see a good speaker and hear a good speaker, the people who can get up there and off the cuff and tell a good story,
I find I should have realized I can do that off the cuff if I have a story.
That's something to talk about.
God knows you have stories.
Yeah, and the people, though, there are things I'll say about public speaking, though, is if you get asked to give a talk in public, you better have something to say.
Right, yeah.
And not just get up there and try to wing it.
Do a little preparation.
Yeah, preparation's big.
Yes.
I really believe in that.
you dress
We have got a phenomenal show set up.
Patrick Durkin is here, a 50-year veteran of The Outdoors.
Works on the show Meat Eater.
We're gonna talk a lot about that.
And we've got your recipes of the week.
Patrick's gonna talk about his as well.
This is Raised in the Woods.
Hey, if you listen to Raised in the Woods, we're happy to have you along.
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You can check out the podcast.
Let me tell you it's worth it.
You're going to have a laugh at my expense and that's just fine.
We are having a fantastic time talking to Patrick.
Durkin one of the most prolific outdoor writers of the Midwest and the United States works for meat eater the show was
Talking about Patrick, I'm just going to delve right back into it because this show goes so fast.
And I want to hear more from you.
You made the drive all the way to the studio today, a several hour drive.
We really appreciate that.
I'd sit here till four in the morning recording shows with you if I could.
I know that's not possible.
So talk to me.
We're just starting to talk about how so many people now with social media
want to be an influencer, want to be a huntress or a hunter who gets clicks and likes and is beloved by everybody, it is not easy to make money and make a career in the outdoor industry.
No, it
never has been.
When I started off, I wrote my first outdoor piece in 1982
when I was about 25 years old, I was back in college.
And I knew in that era, my big dream job was to get to the Milwaukee Journal, becoming the editor of the Milwaukee Journal.
And then eight, nine years later, I ended up having a job offer from Deer and Deer Hunting Magazine.
So I went there and was editor of the magazine for like almost 11 years.
And then I started freelancing in 2001 and been doing that ever since.
The thing that when all this internet stuff really started to boom, as far as social media and Facebook, and it wasn't until 2019 my youngest daughter built me an outdoor website and got me a professional Facebook page and all these kinds of things on Instagram.
And I still cringe when I see
Myself identified by someone as a content creator Patrick
everybody's got
What is frustrating sometimes is that people think that their voice is bigger than it actually is.
And the reality of it is, in order to have credibility and to maintain integrity, you have to be somebody who spends their time in the outdoors and at a computer writing or in a notepad, literally writing through the years that you've done this.
What are some of the stories that you look back on and think to yourself, man, that was really cool that I got to do.
That was a really neat piece to write.
Some of the best ones, you don't even realize in the moment that they are a really cool story.
But you also, I think, if you're a curious person, which is I think the number one quality you have to have as a writer, as an editor,
someone who's altered gathering information, you have to have the curiosity to ask questions and not be afraid to pick up the phone and call people and sometimes ask questions that annoy people but to do your job you have to get down into that stuff that people really are curious about and so I think sometimes being a journalist
People expect you to ask tough questions a lot of times.
So I think if you don't ask the obvious question, the one that somebody's reading the article and they're thinking, yeah, what about this?
What about that?
If you don't answer those obvious questions, I think it starts leaving people behind.
But I think one that really still amazes me, I think it's the biggest thing I've ever done for meat eater.
was this is a weird story a few years ago of a fawn that was about 30 feet up a tree, dead, hanging in a crotch for tree.
And... What?
I feel like I heard about this.
Yeah, and I call various people to get their thoughts, like avian raptor experts and stuff like that, and feline bobcat experts.
What could have put this...
up this tree near, I think it was up by Nielsville, Wisconsin, up in that region.
Because there's wolves up there, there's all sorts of animals up in that central forest.
But it turned out the best theories was that it was a small enough fawn that maybe an eagle had picked it off.
And then at some point in flight realized, I can't hear this damn thing any
and just dropped it.
Another one was a, another theory was that a bobcat
totally got out of character and for some reason dragged this this on this fawn up the tree and then left it up in the crotch the tree and got got spooked and ran off and never came back for it and so you had what was kind of interesting about is you had these various experts I interviewed actually got a little bit
You know, I don't fucking, she said the word pissy.
But you can say that.
They got pissy about it.
You know, they, the one guy thought that the idea of a bobcat dragging your tree was totally unrealistic.
They just don't do that kind of thing.
They don't cash their kills the way like a mountain lion does.
So you have these real experts getting a little bit torqued with each other, not directly, but through me.
just kind of saying, oh, come on.
Yeah, I found myself in the middle of this.
But that ended up being, I think, one of the main, the most red downloaded article I ever wrote for them.
Wow.
And it was just a very, just went crazy on the internet.
Another one that just fell in my lap was a very similar story where a woman was sitting on her porch in summer up in northeastern Wisconsin, here's summer home, watching the lake.
And notice this fawn peddling along in the shoreline.
And down comes this bald eagle.
And this woman's so captivated, I should have stopped and said, she was so captivated by watching the fawn swimming across the side of that lake.
She thought, well, is that ever neat?
And she got her iPhone out and started videotaping it.
Well, right in the middle of it, here comes this bald eagle.
Oh, no.
Swims down into the scene, drowns.
the fawn, it's a almost painful to watch because if fawns are so cute, you can't help but feel sorry for it because it balls a couple of times and that's dead.
The bald eagle that's held in their wad and then if you're seeing a bald eagle swim.
Oh, it's hilarious.
It's this big exaggerated thing that drags it up on the shore and that's the end of that fawn.
But this woman has had this just very lucky moment where she
videotape that.
Well, last thing, I wrote that for my weekly newspaper column, which I've been writing after doing my flexure.
I've been writing that column since 1984 without missing a week.
Wow.
And so that column went in the Green Bay Presquizette.
And it was amazing.
How many people called me then from all over the country, different content creators, really?
Hello, you want to call them?
I wanted to get the right to that video.
And I said, I kept referring to this lady.
And then she called me back and asked, well, what kind of money should she be asking for to rent at least this video out?
And I have no background in that.
I just told her I don't know.
just don't know but people wanted to buy that video and if you if you google it if you google my name and bald eagle fawn you'll probably find that that story but i never wrote that one up for meat eater because that was kind of before i was really writing for them but but i've but i've written that column and that's the fun thing about a newspaper column in that era
you know, for the first 35 years of my career, was that's how people got their news.
And it's only in recent years where the newspapers really, really tumbled.
And you lose the circulation, you lose, you know, the different outlets I used to have that I used to have all those things and don't know.
PatrickDurkinOutdoors.com has all my newspaper stuff.
And then if you ever go to the meat eater site and just Google my name, or just go on Google and type meat eater Patrick Durkin, it'll pop up a big queue of the stuff I've written for meat eater.
Yeah.
I'm gonna ask a question that's off topic to what we've been talking about in your career and that is how do you best like to spend your time in the outdoors?
What's your favorite thing to hunt or forage or fish or what if Patrick Durkin has his dream day and someone else is gonna write about that, what are you
doing?
Probably whitetail hunting of some sort.
I've never been a deer hunter who is really locked into the big buck thing.
I've killed some, I've been lucky enough to kill some really big bucks in my life.
But the thing, I just like hunting and I love deer hunting.
So I love bull hunting, I love muzzle loading, I love rifles, I have lots of deer rifles, especially I don't, I'm not into the most other stuff, but the other thing I picked up late in life
Not that late.
I was 50 years old and it's but under a hundred elk till I was 50 and then I hunted out.
I've been hunting elk now for the last 25 20 22 years and It's just fascinating, you know, it's just anything that calls back to you is just makes a little more exciting.
very exciting and then they add a challenge of You have to be physically fit enough to get up in the mountains and go after them and then packing back out a few if you get one so that then that was um
something that until I was in my fifties I just didn't do I so I so locked into the whitetail world when I was at the magazine and then before that at the newspaper that it was opportunities just didn't have time for much too much into the dear world.
I've heard it likened to turkey hunting.
Yeah.
Yes, I think most guys that's for most there are some real similarities there and the guys who are really good elk hunters and really good turkey hunters You can see why they'd be good at bull because I really love turkey hunting Yeah, and turkey hunting for me in recent years has gotten to be a lot more fun for me for whatever reason It just in more in the more recent years.
I've just gotten a lot more into it
I well, that's fascinating that you live a fascinating life.
Thank you
There's no doubt about it.
And I think that for those of us here in this studio and for the listeners who get to have an appreciation for the outdoors, I think one of your legacies in the writing world is that you explain things.
You're such a good storyteller that you're getting people who aren't necessarily interested or who haven't necessarily gotten into it and you're getting them into it.
And we're at the precipice now.
of losing hunters.
And I think this way of taking organic food to the table is a new way to interest new people.
Yeah.
If there's one thing I really have loved about my career, and I miss though, is that when I was having my newspaper column syndicated for the Green Bay, Madison, Wausau, a lot of bigger state newspapers.
The biggest group of letters I would typically get each week was from older women.
It was because of
A lot more widows.
they liked reading my stuff because it kind of reminded them of their husband.
You get these really nice sentimental letters sometimes from women, older women.
And then when the newspapers fell away and those letters stopped coming, I had never gotten over
That was tough, I bet.
But I think the lesson there is when you do something with a passion and all of us here are passionate about the outdoors, you really do make an impact.
You may not see the people you impact when you do it, but the love for the conservation and the continuation of the species and the proliferation of the species and being able to continue the lifestyle that we get to lead.
bringing food from the field to the table.
Really does make a difference, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again, one person can make a difference.
This is Raising Loans.
Raised in the Woods would not be the world-renowned show that we are if it were not.
The food we talk about on
I love the last segment of the show because it is about field and forage to table and we've got Patrick Durkin, the icon in the outdoor industry.
Works for Meat Eater has made a career of writing about the outdoors, experiencing the outdoors.
And I'm told Chef Lawton, who usually captains the ship of the food
Way to
So I
They open in 1909.
So everything is still the way it was.
It is still a boiled slash steamed burger.
And you can get it with ketchup, mustard.
or fried onions.
There's no cheese.
There's no funny business there.
That is what you walk up to the window and you tell them what you want, the two little things you can get, and that's what you're getting.
So I had the opportunity to go there and try that.
So then they cover it a little bit.
It kind of boils and then they have the onion sautéing.
It was really good.
So I will say, I am like,
crispy kind of smash burger girl.
If I have my choice, that's the route I go.
But this was very good.
It took me back actually.
So I grew up on a farm.
I went to a lot of like auctions with my dad as a child.
And at these auctions, they would always have like a hamburger trailer and they would make these like
Deemed hamburgers in them and it took me right back there.
So if you're ever in Prodigy and go to Pete's hamburgers, it was so great and then my second I've been eating a lot this summer.
I don't know well, whatever
so we went out to celebrate actually Pirate Megan and we went to three brothers Serbian restaurant in Milwaukee in Bayview area and
It's my first time there.
I've been wanting to go for a long time, and we finally got the opportunity, and it was so worth it.
It's so fantastic.
The food was great.
We got the burrick, which is the traditional.
We got the beef burrick, so that's phyllo dough, several layers, just layers and layers and layers.
It takes an hour to make, so you got to like, you can call and pre-order it, or if you go there, you can set the hour and wait.
They have so many great things.
Megan, what was your favorite thing we had?
Oh, the wiener schnitzel.
Oh, yeah, that was great.
Well, you can't go
Just slow this food train down.
We're going to get there.
But there's so many great places to eat.
And yes, I didn't have a recipe today, but man, I've been doing some great eating.
And if you ever need some tips or a new place to go and die and reach out to us on the Facebook page, and we will point you in the right direction.
And I'm going to point this direction to Patrick to give us his recipe.
My recipe isn't an original for me, but a few are ever in crossplains, Wisconsin, just west of Madison.
and you go into the Pigly Wiggly there and go into the meat department where all the sausage is.
Up on the wall there is a picture of an old butcher, the big butcher knife.
That's my maternal grandfather.
His name is Joseph Frank.
And most of the recipes for sausage in that store are still his old recipes that came down to the years.
Wow, it's that neat.
It's really a proud part of my heritage, you know.
For a number of years after I killed my first elk I remember leaving behind the liver and I kept looking at that thing It's in an elk an elk liver is monstrous
and I just had this guilt that why am I not somehow using I took the heart But I left the liver behind and I started thinking I should learn how to make liver sausage
and put the stuff to use.
You can mix hearts, you can mix all those organs in together with it.
And so this Tim Sauer, the sausage maker at the Pigly Wiggly now in Cross Plains, they used to make it, all that liver sausage from my grandfather.
They quit making it about a year or two ago.
He said, well, I'll tell you how to make it.
It's not hard.
Yeah.
So it's really, it's really simple.
You basically take, you know, let's say you have 10 pounds of elk livers or deer livers and hearts, whatever you are putting in.
And you basically add 50% to that.
So like for, if you have 10 pounds of liver, you have 15 pounds, you have 15 pounds of pork shoulder.
Okay.
And that's your proportion.
And then you also want to put in 2% of salt.
2% of that weight should also be salt.
Add salt into it.
And this guy recommends the onion salt.
And then you use 0.005% for the pepper mixture.
Then there's some boiled onions.
But you take all the meat and you cube it.
cook it and basically boil it for an hour, hour and a half, and then you mix it all together, you grind it all up, then you grind it all up again, and eventually you, after, I think it might sit for like two days or overnight, and then basically stuff it all in these sausage casings then, hang it for three days in the cooled area, and that's pretty much ready to use.
I'm going to make that.
It's good.
I absolutely love liver sausage.
And I mean, I've been accused of eating weird things before in my life.
But I will tell you, I also love when it becomes mainstream in the Midwest, liver sausage, brown swagger is very commonly eaten.
And I think that sounds delicious.
And I've been looking for something to do with whitetail livers.
You know, we've made liver, goose liver patties before.
And that's delicious too.
But while that sounds fantastic,
I cannot tell you how great it's been having you, Patrick Durkin.
Thank you.
On the show.
Thank you so much for coming.
Check out his stuff on the Follow Life Podcasts as well, Travel Wisconsin Editions.
Folks, we love having you along.
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What's up,
So I get to host Raised in the Woods, a show about the outdoors of the Great Midwest, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, and Iowa.
Some of the most underrated, undervalued outdoor experiences in the entire country happen here.
Ellie Lawton is the cohost of the show.
She is an award-winning acclaimed
French certified French Culinarian, which is fantastic because an important part of the outdoors hunting fishing is bringing that forage to the table, bringing that game to the table.
We help you do that in an interesting and easy way so that you're not afraid to step outside the box and do that.
We've got a phenomenal panel today.
Our star panelist of the show is Patrick Durkin, a life
Long outdoorsman 50 years he's been in the outdoor industry writing about it experiencing it
talking on TV shows.
We're going to get into one of his most fascinating and topical things that Patrick Durkin is a part of meat eater.
Yes, I'm
One of the things we talk about on this show.
We've got Sarah Marinas here.
She's our homesteader.
Of course, Dan Tim is our local archery expert and adventure man.
And Megan, the Somalia pirate is here as well without her lover Dave this week.
So shout out to Dave.
Sorry you weren't here.
We're having a blast without you though.
So, uh, so we'll see you next time.
Uh, I want to go into Wilds of the week because I did something this last week that I absolutely love and I look forward to it every year.
I don't.
know if those of you out there have watched the show or listened to the show or seen the show, no, food is my favorite dish.
And I had an outdoor television show that aired on Channel 12, the ABC station in Milwaukee for 13 years called Kill It, Clean It, Cook It.
I was out there probably before Stephen Ronella.
made a life out of his nationally.
There's sound.
Yes.
And the teleprompter was chiseled into rocks.
Yes.
That was a very fun thing.
But I'll be honest, as the creator of that show and the host of the show, writer of the show, and I had a
fantastic friend Peter Kafka's who he and I did that show together and Jason Hunter from channel 12 the chief videographer at channel 12 we put that show together and when I reminisce about it I think to myself what a cool thing it was to kind of be ahead of the curve of culinary being such a big part
of the outdoors and hunting
and
fishing and how it has really taken off into one of the greatest television shows, in my opinion, ever created Meat Eater.
Patrick Durkin is here from that.
And we're going to hear from him about Meat Eater, what he does for them, how he got hooked up with Stephen Ranella and Meat Eater, how he got to be such a large part of the outdoor industry.
But first, let's do those wilds.
I'm going to say it.
You know, I try to eat low carb and then I fail at that mission a lot because I love food too much, but I made low carb.
Pizza, pudgy pies.
I busted out the pudgy pie irons and made pudgy pies.
I love pudgy pies.
For those of you who don't know what a pudgy pie is, it's two small hand-sized cast irons that hook together with iron rods and you basically put two pieces of bread in it.
fill it with it, whatever you like, sweet or savory, cap them together and throw it in a fire and it makes this handheld crusty pocketed pocket.
It's a
Yeah.
I mean, you guys talked about it on last week's show a little bit, but in the wake of the World Cup, I'm just getting out and kicking the soccer ball around with my son.
I really go back
Did you play soccer?
What did
position?
I was marking back on defense.
So like the, the, the right guy in the backfield.
Sure.
On the right hand side of the field.
Right full back.
Yeah.
Right full back.
Yep.
Yeah.
I played keeper.
Oh, I, I, I wanted to play keeper, but you know it.
14 years old.
We had a guy that was like six four.
So yeah, he was automatically the key was
Yeah.
No, he was great guy.
Shout out Brandon.
Well, you were the
the backup keeper.
There was even a time I went in and made some miraculous saves made my mom nervous.
I was going to be in the position with all the stress, you know, of the, of the, of the goalkeeper.
But yeah, an affinity for keepers coming from the defensive position.
So
Yes.
I loved it.
Well,
out Crusaders,
And Tony Viteri, our starting keeper, was about 6'4", and I came in at 5'10".
Needless to say, I didn't play much and didn't play after that.
Not a bad position to be, though.
However, not much food gets past me.
I'm just a keeper of food.
I'll just say that.
Lacey, Tim, you brought along your lover today, and she's quite an interesting character too.
I wonder why you've been hiding her from us, Dan.
No
get it.
So my, while of the week was we had a date night on Friday at an outdoor wedding.
One of my previous interns got married in Bear Boo.
Oh, beautiful area.
Yeah, that was nice.
Very
Enjoyable.
Each summer, we try to spend at least one week with our grandkids who like to hunter fish.
And so far, we'll have nine grandkids now.
Do
No.
So far, the three boys who are older all love it.
My other grandson's only one, so he's not going yet.
But what I found fascinating is I took two of them, the two eight-year-olds, out on Lake Michigan off of Mantowoc.
I hadn't been out on Lake Michigan in quite a few years, so it's kind of like the shakedown cruise where you try to get...
Back and get
cuz you know as you know when you do
So hopefully that helped but that never taught me how to run run multiple lines But what I found fascinating it was a tough morning They're catching salmon like crazy this summer like Michigan.
Yes that morning.
It was dead calm hot Nothing was happening.
We got three before dawn.
We still didn't didn't do any good But what was most satisfying was when the morning came and went
You really have one strike and one little flash of excitement.
The two boys couldn't wait to get back out in the afternoon.
great.
And that's nice to realize that I think these guys really like to like to fish.
They aren't just along for the ride.
They don't just go along when you're catching fish.
And so that meant a lot to me that I thought.
Because I think hunting and fishing, it does, if it doesn't have some of the element of failure interspersed with
the big moments is not really hunting and fishing then.
It's just so much you can't control.
That's a
Patrick.
Right.
And so like when two eight-year-olds start discovering that and you see evidence of it, that's really satisfying.
Yeah, I'm still not, public speaking for me was something I really had to work at though.
I could tell stories to get in front of a group of people and talk.
It was a long time working at it.
And then so when I see a good speaker and hear a good speaker, the people who can get up there and off the cuff and tell a good story,
I find I should have realized I can do that off the cuff if I have a story.
That's something to talk about.
God knows you have stories.
Yeah.
And the people, though, there are things I'll say about public speaking, though, is if you get asked to give a talk in public, you better have something to say.
Right, yeah.
And not just get up there and try to wing it.
Do a little preparation.
Yeah, preparation's big.
Yes.
I really believe in that.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Sarah
you dress
We have got a phenomenal show set up.
Patrick Durkin is here, a 50-year veteran of The Outdoors.
Works on the show Meat Eater.
We're gonna talk a lot about that.
And we've got your recipes of the week.
Patrick's gonna talk about his as well.
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My name's Joel Clayfish.
Running the show or at least at least let me think I do once in a while, but not really.
Co-captain Ellie Lawton is here by my side.
She is the
culinary in with the most is to help us bring that field and forage to the table in a way that you can learn it and do it at home, which is.
phenomenal asset.
I thought I knew how to cook until we started making some of the amazing recipes with Wild Game since Megan Salazar and Ellie Lawton became part of the show.
And that's just fantastic.
We eat good.
Yeah, we sure do.
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This show talks about everything from camping to kayaking to hunting, fishing, and it is a wide tent.
We've talked in the past about how political philosophies from the right and the left are starting to come together in the world of organic harvesting and eating of wild animals.
And those harvests are so well in check that they're necessary to create conservation
for the states that we broadcast to and somebody who has experienced conservation across this United States for five plus decades is Patrick Durkin, an outdoor writer, television radio guy.
And Patrick, you made the drive to come to the studio tonight.
to record with us.
And I want to say thank you for that.
I'm honored to have you here.
Your stories are incredible.
I want to talk specifically now for a little while about the show Meat Eater and your role there because that's the largest that that is the show that broke the mold from the outdoor industry.
And you know, you could you could argue the Robertson family and Duck Dynasty and Duck Commander paved that way.
But meat-eater makes no mistake about what it is.
It is about eating wild game that you hunt or fish.
How on earth did you get hooked up with that?
Well, I should say it.
I'm a writer.
Excuse me, I never been on the actual TV show, but in the podcast multiple times.
But my main contribution immediately is for their website, you know, writing.
And I started writing for them back around when they first launched, they kind of relaunched me either.
I don't know if you know the whole history, but Steve started the show back around 2013, 2014.
And then it rolled along on the outdoor channel and other places in Netflix.
And then in 2018, they kind of did a rebrand, got a big investor, and it really took off.
It got big.
And at that time, this was like on June 2018, Steve invited me to start writing for them.
And so I wrote.
basically every two, three weeks I read a full-length feature about some topic that we agreed for me to write about.
And I'm still writing, but now I'm 70, some kind of been backing off a little bit now.
But I think I've written over 150 articles now for me either over the past nine years.
And I still like writing.
I've always thought that I have a hard time calling it a job or work, because I think one thing I will always say about
having the Navy background was in the Navy you work your ass off and I really realized that what I do isn't compared to compared to real work.
I don't try to feel sorry for myself about how many hours I work on my job because I think it's a lot of time behind the computer.
The story I'll tell that illustrates how you got to make it as an outdoor rider.
You have to spend time
as much time, more time, beyond the computer than you do in the woods.
It's the only way you're gonna make enough money at to pay for things out in the woods.
But my youngest daughter, who's all of Lacey's age, she came home from high school back in the early 2000s, had a classmate, some boy that wanted to job shadow me for a day.
And my daughter told him,
why would you want to do that?
He sits in the basement all day and stirs at his computer.
And I do.
That's, you know, being a reporter, being a columnist, it's on the phone.
It's covering meetings.
It sounds like it's all fun and games, but I think, ah, the hunting and fishing is a big part of it, an important part of it.
But when it comes right down to it, you don't make money out unless you work.
and you work every day of the week.
You get up early, stay at the desk late, works at the weekends many times.
So it's not as romantic as you might think, but I don't apologize for it.
I think I'm one of those guys that when they say on your deathbed, you won't have these regrets about not having worked too much, I think.
I don't know.
I might have a few regrets about things that didn't cover stories that didn't get out there and work on, that other things took their place.
Because I think what I do for a living, I've been lucky.
It's fun to have a talent that you can do something with it.
I get almost sentimental when you talk about it, you know, we have somewhat parallel paths.
I spent a great deal of time as a reporter.
And what's interesting to me that I want to talk about more, I want to
talk about the experiences more is that so many people want to be famous in the outdoors, right?
And I don't think that there is such so much of a realization as to how much work it is compared to the fame aspect of it and the money aspect that accompanies that.
But I'm excited to delve a little deeper into that with you and to talk about some of the great stories you've covered and some of the outdoors that is
imprinted on your soul, which is the real reason people who care about the outdoors do it.
It is not for the likes.
It is not for the listens or views on the TikTok.
It's for the real true love and passion of the outdoors, which is what Raised in the Woods is about.
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You're going to have a laugh at my expense and that's just fine.
We are having a fantastic time talking to Patrick.
Durkin, one of the most prolific outdoor writers of the Midwest and the United States, works for Meet Eater the Show, was talking about, Patrick, I'm just going to delve right back into it because this show goes so fast.
And I want to hear more from you.
You made the drive all the way to the studio today, a several hour drive.
We really appreciate that.
I'd sit here till four in the morning recording shows with you if I could.
I know that's not possible.
So talk to me, we're just starting to talk about how so many people now with social media want to be an influencer, want to be a huntress or a hunter who gets clicks and likes and is beloved by everybody.
It is not easy.
to make money and make a career in the outdoor industry?
No, it never has been.
When I started off, I wrote my first outdoor piece in 1982 when I was about 25 years old.
I was back in college and I knew in that era my big dream job was to get to the Milwaukee Journal, becoming the outdoor writer or editor of the Milwaukee Journal.
Eight, nine years later, I ended up having a job offer from Deer and Deer Hunting Magazine.
So I went there and was editor of the magazine for like almost 11 years.
And then I started freelancing in 2001 and been doing that ever since.
The thing that when all this internet stuff really started to boom,
And as far as social media and Facebook, it wasn't until 2019 my youngest daughter built me an outdoor website and got me a professional Facebook page and all these kinds of things on Instagram.
And I still cringe when I see...
myself identified by someone as a content creator.
I
that.
Hey
Everybody's got
What is frustrating sometimes is that people think that their voice is bigger than it actually is.
And the reality of it is, in order to have credibility and to maintain integrity, you have to be somebody who spends their time in the outdoors and at a computer writing or in a notepad, literally writing through the years that you've done this.
What are some of the stories that you look back on and think to yourself, man, that was really cool that I got to do.
That was a really neat
piece to write.
Some of the best ones that you don't realize in the moment that they are a really cool story.
And but you also, I think if you're a curious person, which is I think the number one quality you have to have as a writer, as an editor,
someone who's altered gathering information, you have to have the curiosity to ask questions and not be afraid to pick up the phone and call people and sometimes ask questions that annoy people, but to do your job, you have to get down into that stuff that people really are curious about.
And so I think sometimes being a journalist,
People expect you to ask tough questions a lot of times.
So I think if you don't ask the obvious question, the one that somebody's reading the article and they're thinking, yeah, what about this?
What about that?
If you don't answer those obvious questions, you know, I think it starts leaving people behind.
But I think one that really still amazes me, I think it's the biggest thing I've ever had done, ever done for meat eater.
This is a weird story a few years ago of a fawn that was like about 30 feet up a tree dead, hanging in a crotch for tree.
What?
I feel like I heard about this.
Yeah, and I call various people to get their thoughts, like avian raptor experts and stuff like that, and feline bobcat experts.
What could have put this
up this tree near, I think it was up by Neilsville, Wisconsin, up in that region.
Because there's wolves up there, there's all sorts of animals up in that central forest.
But turned out the best theories was that it was a small enough fawn that maybe an eagle had picked it off.
And then at some point in flight, realized I can't hear this damn thing any farther and just dropped it.
Another one was a, another theory was that a bobcat
totally got out of character and for some reason dragged this fawn up the tree and then left it up in the crotch of the tree and got spooked and ran off and never came back for it.
And so you had, what was kind of interesting about it, you had these various experts I interviewed, actually got a little bit
You know, I don't think she's just said a word pissy They got pissy about it, you know, they the one guy thought that the idea of a bobcat dragging your trees is totally unrealistic They just don't do that kind of thing.
They don't cash their kills the way like a mountain lion does so you have these real experts Getting a little bit torqued with each other not directly, but through me
just kind of saying, oh, come on.
I found myself in the middle of this.
But that ended up being, I think, one of the main, the most red downloaded article I ever wrote for them.
Wow.
And it just went crazy on the internet.
Another one that just fell in my lap was a very similar story where a woman was sitting on her porch in summer up in Northeastern Wisconsin, here's summer home, watching the lake.
And Moses fawn, paddling along in the shoreline.
And down comes this bald eagle.
And this woman so captivated, I should have stopped and said, she was so captivated by watching that fawn swimming across the side of that lake.
She thought, well, is that ever neat?
And she got her iPhone out and started videotaping it.
Well, right in the middle of it, here comes this bald eagle.
Oh, no.
Swimps down into the scene.
drowns the fawn.
It's almost painful to watch because if fawns are so cute, you can't help but feel sorry for it because it balls a couple of times and that's dead.
The bald eagle that's held in their wad and then if you're seeing a bald eagle swim.
Oh,
It's this big exaggerated thing that drags it up on the shore and that's the end of that fawn.
But this one has had this
Just very lucky moment where she videotaped that.
Well, that's thing I wrote that for my weekly newspaper column, which I've been writing After do my flex here, I've been writing that column since 1984 without without missing a week Wow, and so and so that that column went in the Green Bay Presquizette and It was amazing how many people called me that from all over the country
different content creators, really, hello, you want to call them.
I wanted to get the right to that video.
And I said, I kept referring to this lady and she called me back and asked, well, what kind of money should she be asking for to rent at least this video out?
And I have no background on that.
I told her, I don't know.
Just don't know.
But people wanted to buy that video.
And if you Google it, if you Google my name and bald eagle fawn, you'll probably find that story.
But I never wrote that one up for meat-eater because that was kind of before I was really writing for them But I've written that column and that that's one thing about a newspaper column in that era You know if the first 35 years of my career was that's how people got their news Yes, it's only in recent years with the newspapers really really tumbled and you lose the circulation you lose, you know the different outlets I used to have that I used to
have all those things and don't know.
Yeah.
PatrickDurkinOutdoors.com has all my newspaper stuff.
And then if you ever go to the meat eater site and just Google my name or just go on Google and type meat eater Patrick Durkin, it'll pop up a big queue.
of the stuff I've written for Meat Eater.
I'm gonna ask a question that's off topic to what we've been talking about in your career and that is how do you best like to spend your time in the outdoors?
What's your favorite thing to hunt or forage or fish or what if Patrick Durkin has his dream day and someone else is gonna write about that?
What are you doing?
Probably
Probably whitetail hunting of some sort.
I've never been a deer hunter who is really Locked into the big buck thing.
I've killed some I've been looking to kill some really big bucks my life But the thing I just like hunting and I love now love deer hunting here here.
I love bull hunting I love muzzle loading.
I love rifles.
I have lots lots of deer rifles, especially as don't I'm not into the Most this most other stuff, but the other thing that picked up late in life
I'm not that late, I was 50 years old.
But I ended up hunting elk till I was 50.
And then I hunted elk, I've been hunting elk now for the last 25, 22 years.
And it's just fascinating.
And anything that calls back to you, it just makes it a little more exciting.
very exciting.
And then they add a challenge of you have to be physically fit enough to get up in the mountains and go after them.
And then pack them back out if you get one.
Something that until I was in my fifties.
I just didn't do I so I so locked into the whitetail world when I was at the magazine and then before that at the newspaper that it those opportunities just didn't have time for much too much into the dear world
Yeah, is
Yes, I think most guys that's for
There are some real similarities there.
And the guys who are really good elk hunters and really good turkey hunters, you can see why they'd be good at bull.
Because I really love turkey hunting.
Yeah.
And turkey hunting, for me, in recent years, has gotten to be a lot more fun for me.
For whatever reason, in the more recent years, I've just gotten a lot more into it.
Well, that's fascinating.
You live a fascinating life.
Thank you.
There's no doubt about it.
And I think that for those of us here in this studio and for the listeners who get to have an appreciation for the outdoors, I think one of your legacies in the writing world is that you explain things.
You're such a good storyteller that you're getting people who aren't necessarily interested or who haven't necessarily gotten into it and you're getting them into it.
And we're at the precipice now.
of losing hunters.
And I think this way of taking organic food to the table is a new way to interest new people.
Yeah.
If there's one thing I really have loved about my career, and I miss though, is that when I was having my newspaper column syndicated for the Green Bay, Madison, Wausau, a lot of the bigger state newspapers.
The biggest group of letters I would typically get each week was from older women.
It was because of
No, it was the boat.
A lot more widows.
And
they liked reading my stuff because it kind of reminded them of their husband.
You get these really nice sentimental letters sometimes from women, older women.
And then when the newspapers fell away and those letters stopped coming, I had never gotten over
That was tough, I bet.
But I think the lesson there is when you do something with a passion and all of us here are passionate about the outdoors, you really do make an impact.
You may not see the people you impact when you do it, but the love for the conservation and the continuation of the species and the proliferation of the species and being able to continue the lifestyle that we get to lead.
bringing food from the field to the table.
Really does make a difference, and I've said it before, and I'll say it again, one person can make a difference.
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Raised in the Woods would not be the world-renowned show that we are if it were not for the food we talk about on this show.
I love the last segment of the show because it is about field and forage to table and we've got Patrick Durkin, the icon in the outdoor industry, works for meat eater, has made a career of writing about the outdoors, experiencing the outdoors, and I'm told
Chef Lawton, who usually captains the ship of the food
Because it has something to do with yourself under the bus.
Yeah.
Way to run yourself over there.
So my wild of the week going to go back.
I recently spent some time out in the beautiful state of Iowa.
So shout out to our Iowa listeners.
But on my way,
I had to go to the oldest hamburger stand in Wisconsin.
Oh, I've always wanted to go there.
So I went to Pete's hamburgers.
They open in 1909.
So everything is still the way it was.
It is still a boiled slash steamed burger.
And you can get it with ketchup, mustard,
or fried onions.
There's no cheese.
There's no funny business there.
That is what you walk up to the window and you tell them what you want, the two little things you can get, and that's what you're getting.
So I had the opportunity to go there and try that.
So then they cover it a little bit.
It kind of boils and then they have the onion sautéing.
It was really good.
So I will say, I am like,
crispy kind of smash burger girl if i if i have my choice that's the route i go but this was very good it took me back actually um so i grew up on a farm i went to a lot of like auctions with my dad as a child and at these auctions they would always have like a hamburger trailer and they would make these like steamed hamburgers in them and it took me right back there so
If you're ever in Prodigy, go to Pete's hamburgers.
It was so great.
And then my second, um, I've been eating a lot this summer.
I don't know.
Well,
So we went out to celebrate actually, um, Pirate Megan and we went to three brothers, Serbian restaurant in Milwaukee and Bayview area.
It's my first time there.
I've been wanting to go for a long time, and we finally got the opportunity, and it was so worth it.
It's so fantastic.
The food was great.
We got the burrick, which is the traditional.
We got the beef burrick, so that's phyllo dough, several layers, just layers and layers and layers.
It takes an hour to make, so you got to like, you can call and pre-order it, or if you go there, you can set the hour and wait.
They have so many great things.
Megan, what was your favorite thing we had?
Oh, the wiener schnitzel.
Oh, yeah, that was great.
Just slow this food train down.
We're going to get there.
But there's so many great places to eat.
And yes, I didn't have a recipe today, but man, I've been doing some great eating.
And if you ever need some tips or a new place to go and die and reach out to us on the Facebook page, and we will point you in the right direction.
And
My recipe isn't an original for me, but a few are ever in crossplains, Wisconsin, just west of Madison.
and you go into the Pigly Wiggly there and go into the meat department where all the sausage is.
Up on the wall there is a picture of an old butcher, the big butcher knife.
That's my maternal grandfather.
Oh, cool.
His name is Joseph Frank.
And most of the recipes for sausage in that store are still his old recipes that came down to the years.
Wow, is that neat.
It's really a proud part of my heritage, you know.
For a number of years, after I killed my first elk, I remember leaving behind the liver, and I kept looking at that thing.
It's an elk, an elk liver is monstrous.
And I just had this guilt that, why am I not somehow using?
I took the heart, but I left the liver behind.
And I started thinking I should learn how to make liver sausage.
and put the stuff to use.
You can mix hearts, you can mix all those organs in together with it.
And so this Tim Sauer, the sausage maker at the Pigly Wiggly now in Cross Plains, they used to make it, all that liver sausage from my grandfather.
They quit making it about a year or two ago.
He said, well, let's tell you how to make it.
It's not hard.
Oh, good.
Yeah.
So it's really, it's really simple.
You basically take, you know, let's say you have 10 pounds of elk livers or deer livers and hearts, whatever you are putting in.
And you basically add 50% to that.
So like for, if you have 10 pounds of liver, you have 15 pounds, you have 15 pounds of pork shoulder.
Okay.
And that's your proportion.
Then for you also want to put in 2% of salt 2% of that weight should also be salt and salt into it and this guy recommends the onion salt sure and then and then you use like point zero zero five percent for the Pepper mixture then some then there's some boiled onions, but you take the all the meat and you cube it and
cook it and basically boil it for an hour, hour and a half, and then you mix it all together, you grind it all up, then you grind it all up again, and eventually you, I think I might sit for like two days or overnight, and then basically stuff it all in these sausage casings then, hang it for three days in the cooled area, and that's pretty much ready to use.
I'm going to make that.
It's good.
I absolutely love liver sausage.
And I mean, I've been accused of eating weird things before in my life, but I will tell you, I also love when it becomes mainstream in the Midwest, liver sausage, brown swagger is very commonly eaten.
And I think that sounds delicious.
And I've been looking for something to do with whitetail livers.
You know, we've made liver, goose liver patties before.
And that's delicious too.
But while that sounds fantastic,
I cannot tell you how great it's been having you, Patrick Durkin.
Thank you.
On the show.
Thank you so much for coming.
Check out his stuff on the Follow Life Podcasts as well.
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