Good evening folks. Welcome to your Paul Rebier show. We are here every Monday night from
7 to 8 W-A-U-K-548-M-101-F-M here in the heart of Waukeshaw County, the city of Waukeshaw,
the land that has become purple that sits at the heart of our fight over democracy and whether
the state is going to meet up to its state motto of forward or whether we're going to go backwards
because you know time is this, you're either getting better or you're getting worse, nothing stays the
same. And on this night I am so happy to have with me a brilliant educator,
teacher, former teacher at Waukeshaw, made famous now by the rainbow land controversy,
Melissa Temple, and Sarah Harrison a long time advocate for really, really, really fair education
for and quality education among many other things in Waukeshaw County. So welcome, welcome.
Good evening. Thank you. So Melissa, let's just jump into this a little bit. You know, a lot of people may
have heard about rainbow land and a teacher getting fired, but before we get into that, take a couple
minutes and give folks a handle on your educational background because I wasn't making it up when I
said you're a well-respected educator. So give us a little background on who you are and how you
ended up in Waukeshaw and a teacher. Okay. Well, thank you. So I have a undergraduate degree in
bilingual and elementary education, and I taught for almost 20 years in Milwaukee public schools
before I came out to Waukeshaw about five years ago. I have my graduate degree in cultural foundations
of education from the ed policy department of UW-Mawaki, and I recently renewed my national board
certification as an elementary teacher in early childhood generalist as the official
certificate. And yeah, I've been teaching dual language and bilingual ed for a long time,
and I've also taught a lot of adjunct courses at Carroll University UW-M. I taught for the UW
system. I've taught student teaching seminar for a long time, five to eight years, something like
that, and really enjoyed that work as well. And yeah, I guess that enough. It's, you know,
that's quite substantial. A disclosure here, my wife was also an educator and has heard
degree from UW-Mawaki, so I'm rooting here for the UW-Mawaki, all those grads out there.
Tell me, though, a little bit, you spent, you said 20 years at MPS-Mawaki public schools.
Again, that's where my wife was an educator. What brought you from Milwaukee and MPS to
Waukeshaw and Waukeshaw public schools? Well, the school I was working at in Milwaukee
ended their bilingual program, and I just decided, you know, it's time to do something different.
I knew that Waukeshaw had a really successful dual language program, and I was really excited
to find out that they were really doing dual language the way that I had learned about it,
where you have 50 percent English speakers, 50 percent Spanish speakers, and that the solid was,
the program was really solidly run, so I figured I'll try it out, and I also knew that
there's substantially more resources in Waukeshaw. Things like music and gym and art, I didn't have,
my students didn't have those opportunities every day in Milwaukee. I also had to do things like
recess duty, and I would frequently not have a lunch break. Things like that that were just
ended up being really stressful, compounded with everything else that we heard about in Milwaukee,
so I was really excited to be in Waukeshaw. They also had a diversity group that was meeting
regularly that I was part of, and I was really excited about that. We had regular equity,
professional development, and it just seemed like the district was doing a lot of really good things
that I really wanted to be involved in, so I was really pleasantly surprised to come out here.
I also just really immediately fell in love with all the families and the students. I had
wonderful experiences with everybody that I had in my classroom. I really had never had any negative
interactions with parents in the five years that I was teaching at Hire in Waukeshaw, so it was
going pretty well for a while. That's amazing. So, higher elementary school,
you talk about two languages. I just came back from visiting cousins in Scandinavia where
young people are fluent in two, three, four languages. I'm one of those white American males that
are stuck in English only. The world is a tiny place. The more languages you have, the better off,
and you're the better off economically you are. What was the family-based,
was it the primary Latinos on the Spanish language? The 50% of my class, that's all Spanish.
A lot of families from Mexico, quite a few immigrants from Venezuela, Puerto Rico,
lots of other places. I think I had a student once from Nicaragua. There was a lot of diversity too,
which was cool because in Milwaukee, it was mostly Mexican, Puerto Rican students. In Waukeshaw,
we had a lot of different families representing different backgrounds. Much more of the whole
hemisphere. The kids really benefited from that, from learning all the different cultural differences
and customs and really understanding that just because you speak the same language doesn't mean
that everything is the same in your family. Sure. If you're English learning Spanish,
you'll learn that the world is a very, very interesting and wonderful place.
Is this true? Thank you for sharing with us. How about if you jump in here and give us
the background of what I call the far right takeover of education in Waukeshaw County,
which is just really mind boggling to me, given the fact that Waukeshaw is purple. They can have
such a far right takeover. What was the background? How did that happen? What occurred? Sure.
We've seen over the past three years or so, especially, that a group called Whistred,
which is part of the Wisconsin Republican Party, has been sponsoring candidates for Waukeshaw
County or Waukeshaw School Board, excuse me. This is not unique to Waukeshaw. This is something
we're seeing across the country. You see it in lots of places. The impact that it's having,
though, is that in the last three elections, we have almost a complete, almost a complete
school board made of Whistred folks. They really have control over the board now,
and we've seen in the last couple of years the politicization of our public education,
following the national Republican playbooks. Things like in the fall of 2021, we had a letter
from the superintendent to the district talking about controversial issues. That's part of what
came to play as part of the issue with Rainbow Land, and I'm sure you guys will jump into that
a little bit more. I won't get into the details there. We also this year, in January of 2023,
saw two things happen, a staffed rest code that very specifically called out that
lanyards and masks have to be solid color, and that was quite obvious to anyone who was paying
attention that that was a move against having rainbow lanyards. Then the one that's most
disturbing for me is this document called the Parental Bill of Rights in Transparency. That was
introduced in January 2023. To give you an idea of where this came from, if you go out to the
Moms for Liberty website, they have a template that you can download. The first sentence is
nearly identical to the Waukeshaw document. There were a few words that were changed slightly,
so we know where this is coming from. It's coming from Republican influence. It's coming from
groups like Moms for Liberty, and Moms for Liberty was actually declared as a hey group this year
by the Southern Poverty Law Center due to some of their actions out across the country.
But other folks who have introduced Parental Bill of Rights with similar verbiage would be
Josh Hawley in the Senate. We had 12 Republican Assembly reps and four Republican state senators
who introduced a similar bill last year, and then this year in the House of Representatives in
the U.S. House, we had a group of Republicans including our very own Scott Fitzgerald who
introduced a very similar bill. So they're obviously following in the footsteps of these Republican
leaders. So it seems to me what's really ironic and contextually. You say you're for Liberty,
and the question is Liberty for who? We've heard a lot about that there is this perception
that were coming out of the right that somehow, if you're teaching history, as it occurred,
that you are somehow disregarding somebody's liberty or the Constitution.
What's really though, it's sort of this sense of how are they breeding intolerance,
and you've mentioned hate. And I think that's really sort of the essence of
where we're at in Waukeshaw County, frankly, Wisconsin. And I live in Milwaukee, but Milwaukee was
focused, attack. It's diversity, equity, and inclusion. Policies were attacked. So
as we come up to a break, folks, I want to come back right away. Melissa Temple is going to be
here. We're going to talk about how someone with all these qualifications, a quarter century,
a really, really sound educational experience, is thrown out of the system of violating
her constitutional rights, first amendment rights. And Sarah Harrison, who has been active and
have kids in the system. So please come on back. We want to talk about this,
where we're going as a state, and who we are as a people is really, really profound, folks.
You know, we say we want to form a more perfect union. We'll be right back to talk about how we can do that.
Welcome back, folks. This is attorney Mark Thompson. This is your Paul Rebier show. We are here on
Wauk 540 AM 101 FM every Monday night from 7 to 8. We are here talking about a key issue.
How do we get our education system right in the state, and in particular in Waukeshaw County?
I'm delighted and honored to have Melissa Temple here before we went on the break. She's a teacher
for 25 plus years and recently terminated for violating her first amendment rights. And Sarah
Harrison, a long time activist moving Waukeshaw County forward. So welcome back, folks.
What? You know, we talked about this new takeover and the intolerance and the policy changes
and this idea that you can't engage in controversial topics. As a teacher, you know, you were here
for several years before this happened. How did that come across as an educator in the system?
How did you feel that? Well, I think first of all was confusing because as public school teachers
and educators, our job is to serve everybody and to make everybody feel welcome and included in
our schools. And so to say that anything could be deemed controversial was very hard to understand.
I can give you an example. For example, during the time I was working in Waukeshaw Columbus day,
a change to Indigenous people's day here in Wisconsin. And so does that mean having a conversation
about why that happened with my students would be seen as controversial to some people and could I
be punished for having that conversation in my classroom? That is one of the things that we
encourage parents and students to think about and talk about in, you know, current events. And it's
part of our curriculum. So it caused a lot of frustration, but also I would even say worry and
nervousness amongst teachers like what is controversial and what is going to get me into trouble.
You know, we've heard a lot of stories about how one parent can complain about something and then
it turns somebody's world upside down because the school board goes along with that complaint and
discipline somebody or changes the curriculum or removes books from our libraries.
So we have Rainbow Land, right, a song by Dolly Parton and Miley Cyrus. What's the background
to that as a teacher? What did you know about it? What was going on leading up to your off-duty
comment on the facts? So the music teacher was preparing a spring concert and he asked my
partner teacher, Angie and I, if we had an idea for songs, we always sing songs in our classroom and
we like singing as part of our community building. And so he just, you know, wanted feedback and I
think what people don't understand about picking songs for first graders is that it's very
complicated sometimes. You know, you want the song to be the right pace. You don't want it to
have any really big words in it. You want it to be words that the kids understand and message that
they can understand. We've all, a lot of teachers would probably understand like if you pick a song
that's too fast-paced, the kids can't pronounce it any other words and then no one knows what they're
saying and sometimes it's cute but you know, it's better when you can understand. So we were just
going back and forth with emails about what songs might be good and I suggested it's a wonderful
world by Louis Armstrong. We had offered it's a small world. I think somebody said rainbow
connection at some point and then the music teacher suggested the song Rainbow Land and sent us a
link from YouTube and then we listened to it and we thought, oh, this is perfect. It's got a really
wholesome message. It's a song by somebody that a lot of the kids know and the parents all
know Dolly Parton too and nobody had heard of the song which was the cool part about it. It was
like, oh, how did this song fly under the radar? It was from 2017 and still people tell me,
oh, I never heard of that song. So yeah, he picked it and went with it and that's another thing
I think is important to understand is that this was a music teacher's part of his professional
duties. This wasn't something that was part of my professional duties. So you know, people say,
why didn't I make a complaint with my administrator? Well, it was none of my business what he was
going to pick for his program. It was his program and I wouldn't overstep like that and go to the
principal and say, I heard that the music teacher said, you know, he wanted to have this song and
you said, no, like, I was like, all right, if he's okay with it, then I'll not, I'm not going to
step on any toes. But I did tweet about it because I knew people would be interested.
So you tweeted, but you weren't, you didn't tweet from work, right? Yeah.
This is off-duty and this is a public comment. And what was the, I mean, you just said,
what reported the fact that... Yeah, I can read it for you actually. It says... That's great,
do it. I was hoping you could. Yeah, my first graders were so excited to sing Rainbow Land for
our spring concert, but it has been vetoed by our administration. When will it end? And then I
tagged Waukesha School, Stally Parton, Miley Cyrus, and some other, like, civil rights off of
civil rights and hashtag public schools. And my intention behind that was to create some public
discussion. I knew that a lot of parents were concerned about the new policies in the district,
and I knew a lot of community members and teachers were concerned about it. And I also knew that
all over the country we've heard about these different policy changes that were very similar.
And we had just changed the rules that teachers were not allowed to use. Students,
pronouns, or names, unless they had officially been changed on their documents with the school
district. So it felt, and then also their masks and the lanyards, as Sarah mentioned earlier. So
it felt like we were snowballing into a very uncharted territory. You know, like, when is it going
to end? And that's my, that was my point. And I think I accomplished my goal of just having
some public discussion about it. Folks, you just heard it right here. The truth from Melissa
Temple will be back after the break to find out what the repercussions of what happened to Melissa
as a result of that. And I want you to just think about before you come back,
what is it we're trying to teach our children? And what are we afraid of as a people if we're
afraid of rainbow land? And teachers with great qualifications are attacked for it. We'll be right
back folks.
Welcome back folks. This is Attorney Mark Thompson. This is your Paul Revere Show. We are here
every Monday night at W-A-U-K 540-AM-101-F-M. And I have, Melissa Temple, an educator for a quarter
century who expressed her First Amendment rights and was, you know, there's an attempt to silence her.
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Before we get back into the business of this, we've got a listener, Lou.
You got to. Hey, Lou, thanks. You got a comment? Question?
Yeah, I got a comment. So the property law center chiefs what they have is what they call a
shape list. And some of your leftist activists that go on after certain groups, like for example,
a guard with a guy with a weapon, one of your followers was using that as a man to go and come after
domestic conservative organizations and shot a security guard in a shoulder in Washington,
DC in one of those operations. And also, I've learned that. Hey, Lou.
I don't know what you're talking about here, but if you got a comment about education and free
speech in Wisconsin, it would be time to make it now. Well, here's free speech.
President Biden is allowed in about six million illegals now. And now we're seeing you rise us
in the virulosis and leprosy is presenting itself in Florida. Hey, Lou, you got anything to say
about free speech and liberty and education in Wisconsin. If not, this is last chance. What?
Okay, last chance. I'm practicing liberty and free speech right now. Well, we're trying to talk
about education. And you know, we're talking about a teacher that's been 25 years of her life to
create a more perfect union to teach American civics and American Constitution to new immigrants.
So you don't get to hide behind. I'm not hiding behind the American Constitution. Yeah, you are.
I'm not hiding behind it. It's my constitution. It's my red and white flag.
Right. I've been reading my kids of Declaration of Independence every fourth of July for years and
years. Yes. But you're working on a station and working for a system that believes in
democracy and moving forward. Thanks, Lou.
Well, that was a nice little interruption. Let's get back to the subject at hand.
Melissa, you tweeted out. What are we saying now? You exed out.
You know, I mean, that's sort of, it's going to be interesting, right? But anyway, you know,
but you tweeted out the truth. You read it. So what happened?
Not a whole lot. I think some people saw my tweet and then it started picking up steam on the
internet. It was shared, I think, amongst parents in Waukesha and some parents from my school
saw it and then began to call and ask the principal why we weren't allowed to sing the song.
And I believe some of the local media called my school. And lo and behold, the next day we were
told we couldn't sing Rainbow Connection in the program either. But that was reversed within 24
hours by the superintendent. So it was very quick, you know, interesting conglomeration of
songs. They're not letting you teach this. Yeah. So, right, right. So over that next week was
spring break. And that's when the media started picking up on all this. And Friday, I went home from
school and saw, oh, you know, the LA Times had posted about my tweet or written an article about it.
And then people started approaching me via Twitter asking me about what happened. And then I shared
about our different policy changes and people just ran with it. And when I, by the end of that,
spring break week, I saw a letter to the district. And then when I went to work on Monday,
or letter from the district. And then when I went to work on Monday, I was told I was on
administrative leave. And I wasn't given any reason, but I was asked to leave and give up my
district computer and iPad. So the biggest disruption for your kids was the fact that the
district yanked you out of the class. Would that be fair? That's a rhetorical question to you,
Melissa. But Sarah, you were there. Your kids are in the school. How did they, how did the public
and you, how do you react to what I, what I call is very heavy handed, you know, a real violation of
constitutional rights? Yeah, I don't know what the right is afraid of, right? I mean, it's
well, apparently, a leprosy according to our friend Lou, but other than that,
so my kids are a little older. My youngest is still in the walk-shots system, but is in high school.
And frankly, when they heard about what was happening, it was a very similar note to how I opened
my letter to the board after Melissa was put on leave. And I said, well, I'm not surprised,
but I am disappointed. And, you know, I'm, I'm using my mom tone here because I don't know what
else to say to you guys is, of course, this is what they would do. They, they have been
absolutely ridiculous in their interpretation of controversial. And actually,
Jim Seaver sort of let it slip in a parent meeting back in, I believe it was in February,
where someone had asked what, what qualifies as controversial? And he actually said, well,
it's mostly this rainbow stuff and we have to keep it out of classrooms. But he didn't give
any reason or anything like that. So they can say all they want to that it's not about that.
It, it, history seems to prove otherwise to me. In my view, and in the view of my kids.
So, you know, your kids how old are they? And, and how do they respond to this? How do they feel
about this when, when a teacher was only talking about first graders singing a dali parton song,
gets fired a song about acceptance ironically. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. How does that
gel with this notion that we're a democracy? Sure. Well, so my kids are 16 and 19 now and my oldest
is actually also at UW Milwaukee. So we've got like a whole trifecta going on here.
Congratulations. Yeah, thank you. My oldest is at UW Milwaukee as well. Oh, look at that. Nice.
And my youngest a couple of years back when the controversial issues letter went out to
the district actually stood in front of the school board, which is a pretty intimidating room
even for adults for a 14 year old kid. That's a real intimidating room. And, and my youngest
chalk said to this group of people, you are hurting me as a queer student. And what are you going
to do to fix it? And they haven't done anything to fix it. They've only made it worse in the
in the intermediator intermediary times. Wow. Since then, it's, it's only been made worse. And
you know, you say what, what is the, what is the right afraid of? I'm not sure. But I can tell you
what I'm afraid of is Wisconsin turning into Florida where they can no longer teach
AP psychology because they are banned from talking about sex and gender in the classroom. So they
can't teach AP psychology. And they straight out just said they're not going to teach AP African-American
studies because of a piece of legislature actually dubbed the Stop Woke Act, which requires that
if you're going to talk about slavery, you have to talk about how slaves developed skills that
helped them later after they were freed. I do not want to be the next Florida. And if we don't
stop some of these things from happening, that's the path we're on here in Wisconsin. And I don't
want to sound alarmist, but we've got to get in front of this and stop it from happening.
So just following up on that, so what's the response from other parents? Is there a developing
coalition of folks that are figuring out how to address it? Sure. So there's a group called the Alliance
for Education in Wakashaw and they are out there trying to help support public schools and public
education and making sure that health and educational resources are available to all of our students.
So that group is out there and then there are some other similar groups in neighboring
school districts as well. So what we really need is for folks to, first of all, always vote.
But we need some strong candidates who are really looking to bring some sanity back to the
school district who will be on that board and be the voice of reason rather than following
in political playbook footsteps. So going back to you, Melissa,
you know, you worked in the system for Wakashaw with five years. So obviously you knew a lot of
other teachers and many, many parents. What's the response been from those folks to you?
Overwhelmingly supportive, I have not had one complaint directed towards me from any of the
parents that I taught from the students that I taught in my classes here. I had 24 students.
All of them wanted me to come back. I have not heard anything directly from even any parents
in the district. No one's reached out to me to tell me that they wanted me fired, that they
thought I should stay home. I have only heard from trolls on Twitter.
Trolls on X. Oh, sorry, X, yes. We have to be able to change names because that's something that
we can all learn to do. We should be able to, right? Yeah. I guess Elon's got the right to go from
Twitter to X and you know kids should be able to use whatever pronoun they want to use, right?
True. It seems that if Elon Musk can do it, well, I can't be kids.
Is there any activity? Is there like going on right now before the school starts that focuses
on this as we come up to the break? No activities that specifically that I can think of since we're
coming into the fall, we'll definitely be doing some school supply drives and that sort of thing,
but no real activities coming up that I can think of. All right. So folks, we are coming up to our
last break. This is Attorney Mark Thompson. This is your Paul Revere Show. This is W-A-U-K-540-AM-101-F-M.
We are here every Monday night, right here in the heart of Walker Shaw County,
dedicated to moving Wisconsin forward, always forward. We'll be right back folks with more from
Melissa Temple and Sarah Harrison.
Welcome back folks. This is Attorney Mark Thompson. This is your Paul Revere Show. We are here
at W-A-U-K by 40-AM-101-F-M every Monday night at 7-8. Tonight, I am honored and privileged to have
Melissa Temple teacher that was fired for exercising her for some amendment rights right here in
Walker Shaw and Sarah Harrison, a well-known activist and education and moving Walker Shaw forward.
You know, we were talking about how this changes, this new intolerance to folks. How is that
impacting schools, Melissa? What can you share with us? Well, according to the 2021 National School
Climate Survey, students who could identify 12 or I'm sorry, 11 or more staff members within
their buildings that were supportive and welcoming and willing to talk to them were much less likely
to miss school because they felt unsafe, uncomfortable, they felt greater belonging to their school
community, performed better academically in school, and more and more likely to plan on pursuing
post-secondary education. Students that could identify supportive staff were also reported better,
they reported better psychological well-being, so higher levels of self-esteem, lower levels of
depression, and we removed those safe-spaced stickers from classroom doors that identified teachers
as being supportive in Walker Shaw. We removed a lot of signs with rainbows that said we welcome
everybody. We removed moved signs that although I never saw one, a sign that said anti-racist classroom,
which was quite alarming, and so we have to think about what that message is saying to our students
and how they feel when they enter the buildings now, and also how teachers feel when they go into
the buildings, knowing that those signs were available and made them feel comfortable and included,
and they've now been removed. You know, I guess the fact that it's having this chilling
impact, not only with the kids, but with teachers, gets us to a key question.
What is your plan on how to respond to this act by the school board to take out a teacher's
teacher, a skilled teacher's teacher, one committed to every student, and not just some?
So I am planning to file a federal lawsuit against the district for violating my first
amendment rights, and that should be happening in the next couple weeks.
As a lawyer that represents people that pursue their individual rights or civil rights,
this suit needs to be brought, and I look forward to reading it and watching it, and we'll definitely
have you back. If my lawyer will let me. You can talk. We'll talk, so we'll never ask about
privilege information, that's for sure. So, Sarah, from the community's point of view,
how do you think parents, students are going to respond to this lawsuit?
Well, I think that the community will continue to be supportive of Melissa when we had
last month was Melissa's hearing with the board, and there was a pretty large crowd, I believe,
we had around 130-ish people there to support Melissa, and there were three people who were
counter-protesting, who were not from the district. So I think that shows a lot about where the
community stands on this issue. We just need to continue to make those voices heard, and for people
to show their support. So, if there were only three voices, you know, antagonistic to Melissa,
and the overwhelming of folks present, how is it that you get a superintendent, Seabird?
How does he pull off terminates of it? I mean, how does this happen in Walker,
Shell County? I mean, it's never been, you know, I'm in Milwaukee, and it was always purple,
but there was always a sense that there was justice in the county, and some element of fairness.
I mean, what are people saying? Well, I mean, we have a school board member who publicly had
stated defund public schools before he was even elected, so the fact that he was elected at all
is disturbing, and he was over-talking to the counter-protesters, but, you know, it didn't come over
and talk to the 130 people who had the other point of view. So I think we're looking at a microcosm of
a very specific subset of the community's values, and those are the people who have
found their way into this board, and that's why we have to make sure that we are running strong
candidates to truly represent the community's interests. And I think Melissa had something that
she wanted to throw in too. Oh, I mean, along the same lines, I think there's a definitely
conservative attack on our public schools, and like you said earlier, groups like Moms for Liberty
and Wiss Red are posing as grassroots organizations that are formed by parents, but in reality,
they're really extremely well-funded and politically-driven. They run school board candidates who are
designed to make anyone who identifies as part of a marginalized group feel unwelcome and unseen,
unsafe in schools even, and these are people that are going to school board meetings and
complaining about the books in our libraries, the songs that we're singing, and it's too, we've
waited too long. I think that things are already worse, so we really can't wait any longer,
and I agree it does sound alarmist, but it's incredibly frightening what's happened in other
places around the country, and I think that would be, we would be very naive to believe that that
couldn't happen here. In fact, it has already happened in many areas right here in Moxha and other
neighboring districts, so honestly, I feel like I have been fired, and it's horrible. I wish I
could be in my classroom, but if I have the opportunity to speak about what's happened to me and
create awareness about all of these horrible policies that are really harmful to our kids,
I'm willing to take that opportunity and try to make it into something good and make some changes
for our students. I know that there are teachers that are resigning,
and some very, very well-qualified people that are resigning. Is it a perception Sarah that there's
like this intolerance and attack and retaliation? Yeah, absolutely. The teachers are walking around
feeling overly scrutinized and that they are not being allowed to do what they are educated to do,
and that they need to, we need to let our teachers teach their well-trained to do so.
Folks, please listen to Sarah and Melissa. You know, we should never be afraid to have our kids
educated and be responsible and well-educated citizens. I mean, we're only stronger that way, so
please get out there, run for office, help transform walka-shuh. It was once a place that you could
talk about moving forward. Let's do it again, folks. This is
