Patrick De Haan on Gas Prices & What’s Driving the Spike (Hour 1)

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Welcome to nightlight ladies and gentlemen Happy Wednesday everybody.

Great to have you here.

We have a really fun show tonight as usual I am Peach Waba coming to you live from Marinette, Wisconsin here in beautiful northeast Wisconsin I wouldn't say it's beautiful now.

It's a little overcast kind of cold today a little cold for me in my opinion But let's check in with our our nightlight brethren and find out what the weather is like down the coast in radio park

in Racine where Greg Bach joins us.

Hey, buddy.

Hey, everybody.

I'm just putting on my final coat of a suntan lotion, getting my fine swimming shorts out because it's a balmy 52 degrees.

If I hadn't just talked to a friend of mine in Chicago who said it was 61, you might have had me, but I knew you weren't going to leap frog.

I mean, a

little bit,

but I just think it's better than what we have.

Until we get a certain degree of weather, every show is going to be you saying it's

too cold.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I'd make a point not to complain every night.

I'm on kind of an every other pattern here, I think to be fair to me.

How are you, Greg?

I'm doing well.

You know, it's it's Wednesday.

And I know people out there in the radio world are saying, yeah, good observation.

It's Wednesday.

Yeah.

But

Mondays and Tuesdays just seem to be a thing, and you feel like, oh, will we ever get to, like, closer?

Like, Thursday?

Maybe a Friday?

Can we get a Thursday?

And then boom, we're at Wednesday, and we're here now, and by the time the show is done and I'm home, it's basically Thursday, which is essentially Friday Eve, and then it's the weekend.

So what I'm hearing is Thursday morning is truly when the weekend starts.

I mean, really in my head, that's when I check out.

So

tonight is like the eve of the weekend.

So we should rejoice and be

happy.

This is the best version of me you're going to get tomorrow.

I won't be thinking or listening a whole lot.

And then Friday, I'm just done.

Like I might as well not even show up.

It's just the two of you because that's just how I roll.

It's senior.

I did somewhere around.

I'll be I'll be here.

I just won't be here.

You know what I mean?

Like that's the same

philosophy That's the same philosophy I have on my height, you know, I'm five seven, but I really am six foot if you think about it and

yeah

You round

up I

round what a five

seven

six

feet than five feet.

Yeah

What an interesting segue into a personal admission of not only shortness, but lying Dom up in Madison my gosh, should we trust this young man with our ones and twos?

I don't know.

I was just going to ask him how his day was, but he seems kind of hung up on his height.

Have you ever worn lifts down?

I have never,

no heels, no lifts, no nothing.

I mean, you've worn shoes that give you like an inch and a half or two.

Like, like nowadays, all these new 10s, they all have like a solid, yeah, the Hocus.

Like, Hocus, not Hocus.

Yeah, exactly.

I

always wear Reeboks.

Reeboks don't really add much height.

It's very, very flat

shoes.

They don't also add much support or style.

I had a pair of Reebok pumps back in the 90s.

That was cool.

Dom how was your day from what I understand that you had a you had a bit of a oh boy Did you hear that Pete did you hear that Pete?

Grunt.

It was a grunt.

He grunted.

Okay, so how did the world fail you today?

Okay, basically what happened is I always get my lunch, I always make it in the morning, and I always have a chip that's associated with my lunch.

This time I went to go buy Pringles and I got the container, sour creams and onions sounded really good, and as soon as I opened it, everything was destroyed inside it.

Everything was cracked.

I mean it was just there was not a single Pringle chip that was intact I think there was one that I that I had over here, but everything else was just destroyed and it just it it made me really sad because I'm so to be fair You had a

lot more Pringles than you were anticipating.

Yeah, I guess and on top of that you got way more Pringles on top of that they were

Pre-chewed for you.

So all you had to do is just open up the canister and dump it into your face and do the rest of the work.

I don't know.

It doesn't look pretty.

It's probably a great

day to me, actually, Dom.

I don't know what's going on there in Madison.

I just want to point out the fact that he has a corresponding chip.

to his lunch.

I used to know, I used to know a guy who would tell me all the time, and I never asked for this information.

Once he goes, I don't leave the house unless my socks underwear and my clothes match.

I'm like, Oh, okay.

Wow.

All right.

I just, for some reason, it's cause I just like, I have a sandwich and a corresponding chip.

That's what it is.

Yep.

It Doritos.

Sometimes it's Doritos, but it changes every day.

It is, it's, it's ever changing.

Is there a roster of chips, or are you trying something new?

Like you go to like those corner stores where you can buy chips from like Japan and from other countries where it's like, oh, this chocolate prawn.

It's all like, it's

all

American based chips, but it is like kind of a variety.

So I have normal Pringles, but then sometimes it goes sour cream and onion.

Sometimes it goes pizza.

It's kind of just a variety like that.

That's great.

Pizza Pringles?

Yes, they're so good.

They have those.

Yeah, they're really good.

I'll houch for them.

I didn't know that.

That's

what would qualify my wife will say.

Why don't we just have sandwiches for dinner and pick up like a fun chip?

A fun chip?

Like, what's a fun chip?

Like, you know, the chip's gonna walk in like, here we go.

I got these chips.

Did you hear the one about the doctor who gave the guy six months to live so he couldn't bill the bill?

I'll give you six months more.

That's a fun chip.

Yeah, there you go.

That's a very fun chip.

We call that Henny Chipman right there.

That's a very old joke that if you don't understand it, ask your Mima or Peepaw.

Well, now we know what Greg called his grandparents growing up.

Dom, I'm sorry that happened to you.

I know that there is

a lot going on in the

world, but that can

be traumatic in

a young man's life to get crushed chips.

You

know what you

should have done is just pour them on the sandwich at that point.

Do a mix and match.

Really?

I don't know.

That's too

far.

Will we hit bottom here?

What's here?

It's too soft.

The hardness and the saw, it's too inconsistent.

On all the

crunch, dude.

When I was a

kid, on my peanut butter sandwich, I used to lay Doritos on them.

It's

delicious.

Okay, that's a bit weird.

Okay, I've never had that.

But you've never put... Okay, so last night we had the revelation that Pete's never had cheese solo.

It's always with a conduit.

Not never but I think it's strange.

You said never those are your words.

You said that to

the Wisconsin- I think I corrected

myself.

All right, either way,

I'm against it.

But now, oh wow, oh, it's gone from I've never to him again.

Funny.

It's funny.

It's funny.

It's something you've never experienced.

You're against, hmm, okay, great.

You just said that about the chips and Doritos on the peanut butter sandwich.

I didn't say, I didn't say I would never try it or I didn't like it.

I just said weird.

Mr. Hexeth, reclaiming my time.

No, no, here's the question I have is so dumb you've never put chips on a sandwich never never Okay, all right Pete and I we're gonna vouch for this one too on on okay, so next time you make a sandwich Let's make a low-stakes sandwich not steak, but just like you know, there's not a lot of just turkey

Yeah,

like a turkey.

Yeah, perfect.

Okay, perfect.

Okay, perfect a turkey sandwich with a

And you'll and you'll love the experience so much.

You can call it memento loaf.

You've always remembered Thank you.

The G-man is on fire tonight.

Oh gosh.

I've had water Make a turkey sandwich.

Do you like to put cheese on your sandwich?

Yeah, provolone.

Okay.

All right.

Cool.

Perfect.

Perfect then just throw like a plain pringle or Go Doritos Doritos could be good too Try it.

Just try it or I'll take it one step further chop the sandwich in half

And then chop the sandwich in more like so and fourths put chips on one fourth Try it if you don't like it the other 75% of the sandwich is untouched and you're still safe

I might take

the cross if

you don't like it.

I'll pay for your sandwich

Oh,

no, I would never say that.

Hey, despite what you're hearing, folks, our crazy banter here.

We do have other stuff on the show tonight, and we've got great guests.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

We've got Patrick DeHaan, who is a petroleum analyst for GasBuddy.

He will be here to talk to us about the rising cost of gas.

And joining us in the second hour will be Dan Gardner.

He's the CEO and founder of the app called RunP.

It's exactly what you're probably thinking.

It's an app that helps you decide when you should go to the bathroom during movies so you don't miss the good stuff.

The app's been around a while.

We're late to the party, but we'll get to the bottom of it.

And Dan will be here in hour number two.

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So yeah, I didn't mean to cut off.

I just knew we had to get to the guest, guys, but I'm with you, Greg.

I like...

I like a chip on a sandwich.

Me too.

I love a crunch.

I

have

a good

crunch.

I think you'll like it, Dom.

Yeah.

I think you'll like it.

Let us know what you think.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

All right.

I think it's time to get to our night like question of the night.

Let's talk about the question.

Okay.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Okay.

I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Domanda.

Question.

Question.

Questions.

What is the first thing you would do if you were to win the lottery?

My man Greg Bach came up with this question, and I think it's a good one.

What is the second thing you would do?

What are the first two things you would do when you won

the

lottery?

You got a billion bucks.

What are you doing, folks?

Let us know at 855-752-4842, 855-755-CIVIC.

You can also text us on the Civic Media app, or if you're watching the radio on YouTube, Facebook, or the app Greg still calls Twitter, as do I. Drop us a stream, comment, and be part of the show.

That's a good one.

I have a feeling we will get some good responses on this one because everybody wishes they had a ton of money.

Oh, absolutely.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

I can't wait to, I can't wait to read.

I've got some great ones on my Facebook page.

I know if our face, the nightlight Facebook page has been very, very popular.

And so I'm very much looking forward to those blowing up.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't feel, I feel, I feel like I'm too, I feel like I'm too old to say that

blowing

up.

Blowing

up like

I don't know.

I just

don't I don't feel hip enough but my

wife

text is something to her colleagues once and she said my phone's gonna blow up and then she comes back five minutes later She goes.

Oh, you only got one blow up

It's better than nothing.

Let's take a Pringles.

Let's take a Pringles viewpoint of that still better than nothing Broken chips are still better than no chips.

I agree.

I don't want a broken chip

I don't know if you heard about this.

I was looking at the news today I was searching around for stuff to talk about because we like to talk about the news catch up on the Curtin events here and according to the Washington Post Iran has hit far more US military assets than reported and satellite images are showing as such The US government has not been forthcoming with everything.

They've been doing as far as like, you know, they they've definitely said this the war is over and then they've said it's not a war and then they said

Six months and then they've said two weeks and then they said but it was over last week And then they said we're still in this and then they said please

don't throw us in

jail

But according to the Washington Post, this article by Evan, Evan Hill, Jared Lee, Alex Horton, TerraCop and Dan Lamont.

That's a big team right there.

Iranian airstrikes have damaged or destroyed at least 228 structures or pieces of equipment at U.S.

military sites across the Middle East since the war began like two months ago.

And I don't know about you.

I'm too young to know this, but I remember hearing stories of.

basically our government feeding us a line saying, well, Vietnam's going great.

Like three guys died.

Don't

worry about it.

You're good.

Enjoy your TV and your broken chips.

When really it was a disaster.

And finally, it

just, there you go.

Finally, it just came down to the fact that like, you know, people like Walter Cronkite and other journalists like the Washington Post said, no, they're lying to you right now.

So this story is a very, very long.

We're going to put it in our show notes, but basically the, and this goes back to what we were talking about with Gil Golnar.

Nekpor, where this idea that Iran is this prehistoric country is not true.

They are weapons capable, modern, and they are really, really having their way with America as far as the bombings.

And the information we're getting has not necessarily been forthright or forthcoming with

the

group that got bombed or service members that we didn't take responsibility for putting them in harm's way.

You don't know what to believe.

It's frustrating.

Hey, we're coming right back with a couple more fun stories, including our president falling asleep, standing up.

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We're coming back.

Potato Chills

This is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba and Greg Bach.

Coming to you live on the Civic Media Network, I am live from Marinette, Wisconsin.

Greg is in Radio Park in Racine and Dom Lee is producing the show from Madison tonight on an overcast night in Wisconsin.

I'm just going to keep talking.

Here comes the weather reports with Pete.

It's so damn cold.

I took a walk before I wore a winter coat.

We've got a lot of stuff coming up tonight, folks.

We're going to talk about the rising cost of gas with petroleum analyst for gas buddy, Patrick D. Han.

Is Patrick our buddy?

He's been on

the show a couple times.

He's not just a gas buddy.

He's our buddy.

I would say he's the official gas buddy of Nightlight with Pete Schwab and Greg Bach.

Yeah, I would say so too.

We've got an official dentist, which is important for any show.

And now we've got a gas buddy analyst, a petroleum analyst, which I think is important.

So Patrick will be coming up after the news in just a few minutes.

And then we've got in the second hour, Dan Gardner, CEO and founder of the app known as Run P, which tells you when to go to the bathroom during a movie.

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What's the first thing you do?

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Greg, you were talking about

the war before.

It's kind of hard to deviate from that.

It's all over the place.

You don't know what to believe.

There's stuff coming out all the time.

I think I saw this on Reuters.

No, it was Yahoo News.

Cash Patel says the FBI was kept out of the Nancy Guthrie investigation for the first four days.

Here's a weird thing.

Why is this coming out now?

Nobody has mentioned Nancy Guthrie.

It was all over the news for a while.

Now

you have to dig for it on Google.

It's still out there.

People are concerned and feel terrible for everything that's going on with Savannah Guthrie and her family.

But why would he say that now?

Does he feel bad that they haven't solved the case yet?

I mean, they're the FBI.

This is a kidnapping.

I know technically it has to go over state lines for them to take over, but everything I see on TV is, we're the FBI.

We're taking this over.

And he's saying we were not involved in this for four days.

We were kept out of it by a local sheriff's department.

Come on.

Well, first of all, we're far past the four days point.

So my guess is they are involved in it.

Second of all, uh, people were, uh, people in Minnesota, like, you know, the AG and the assistant AG and the governor and the police were very upset when the FBI was keeping them out of investigations of the death of Alex, Freddie and Renee.

Good.

They were pretty upset about that, but Casper now had no, no real, uh, he didn't really care about it.

But here's what I'd say to that.

If he said, Hey, they kept us out of the investigation for the first four days.

I'd be like, yeah.

Of course they did.

You're in charge of the FBI.

Why in God's name would I give you any information about anything?

Well, and frankly, it's, it's not,

you know, I don't believe that they would put up with jurisdictional boundaries.

They would just say, we're taking it over because that's how this administration operates anyway.

If they wanted to get involved, they would have been involved in those first four days.

But that's just it.

If they

wanted to, this, this case has nothing.

They don't care about this.

This has nothing to do with money.

This has nothing to do with.

Whatever that no, it's it's enough.

It's just he's just whining and he's just Mouthing off and it's a headline and of course we're talking about it But still the fact there's no way in God's green earth what I involved cash Patels FBI in anything that wasn't related to hockey drinking or using planes without authority

He's probably just coming off a bender exactly

So here, okay, this is another thing I saw, Greg, that I had to share with you immediately.

I thought this was so funny.

It was a video of Kelly Loeffler, the U.S.

Small Business Administrator office.

Kelly Loeffler spoke to, was giving a speech.

Trump was standing close to her.

He was falling asleep on his feet and there is video.

And he didn't wake up until the room, she put out some lame line and everybody applauded it.

That woke him up.

Do you think you could even fall asleep on your

standing up?

Um, I don't know.

Let's, let's try.

I'm, I'm, well, okay.

I'm going to stand up right now.

No, I'm not going to stay because you don't want that shot.

I'm just going to say this.

Uh, can, can we get, uh, Dom, can you queue up some ovation real quick?

Let me see.

I'm just going to, okay.

Go ahead.

Anytime.

Oh, why?

Why?

What happened?

What happened?

It was almost like

that.

I mean,

okay, look, not for nothing here.

I'm going to, you know, game recognize game.

We're all tired in this day and age falling asleep on your feet.

That's kind of killer right there.

I mean, like if I could do that, I'd take mini naps.

Now I wouldn't be the president of the United States falling asleep on my feet, but still still recognize the ability to relax in such unrelaxing times.

I would maybe lean against a doorframe or something before I fell asleep on my feet.

Can you imagine what that would have done?

Like you're, you're asleep on your feet, you're out on your feet and you keel over.

And you caused a big ruckus.

Kelly's ticked off at you because her speech is interrupted, which whatever the heck she was talking about.

So I don't know.

I don't think it's even possible.

Was there a speech having to do with, I've been failed a U S Senate candidate from Georgia and I had nothing else to do after that.

So the president had to give me a job cause I put my butt on the line supporting him.

Great.

What do you think of that?

Oh, he's asleep.

Nevermind.

He's asleep.

Nevermind.

He paused napping right now.

Don't, don't bother.

I'm surprised when they started clapping, he didn't wake up and immediately like launch into like a speech, like talking about, I stopped eight wars and the Nobel Prize should have been mine.

You know how I know he didn't stop eight wars?

And transgenderism for everyone.

Because if he stopped eight wars, he would have said 12.

And here's the thing too, like Biden was old and he nodded off

a couple times and I

was, he still is.

But he looks better now than he was present, maybe sleeping more, I don't know, but he was old.

And Trump criticized them.

Trump is all, they're just both old dudes.

They

can't be in charge.

Yeah.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Ridiculous.

I'm gonna

get a nap during this break.

We are going to come back in just a few minutes, folks, with our pal, Patrick DeHaan.

He is a petroleum analyst for GasBuddy.

Yeah, you've got the app probably.

You've probably used it.

It helps you go to the cheapest service station.

Do they still call him service station?

I don't know.

But we'll talk to him when

we come back.

Oh, Porter,

Porter.

He's a, Patrick's always fun and he's been on the show before.

It's going to be a blast.

Don't go anywhere.

This is Pete and Greg and Nightlight on the Civic Media Network.

Welcome back to Nightlight, folks.

Great to have you with us.

I'm Pete Schwabba, sitting just upstate from Gregg Bach, and Dom Lee is holding down the fort.

In Madison, we are the Yatterhey Triangle, hoping to ease you into your night a little more, and it's great to have you here.

Our first guest of the night, it is a pleasure to welcome this guy back.

He is a petroleum analyst for GasBuddy, and he makes talking gas prices cool.

He joins us now over the stream, Mr. Patrick Dihon.

Patrick, welcome back.

No thanks for having me.

It's great.

So I'm sure you are an incredibly busy guy lately.

So I'm glad you took the time out.

Trying to keep tabs on the rising costs of gas.

Let's start here in Wisconsin where the average says according to NPR, it's $4 a gallon, but that was just a few days ago.

I feel like it's much higher now.

Is there an end in sight for rising gas prices?

I mean, how high can they go really in Wisconsin and nationwide?

you know, Wisconsin, I'm looking at 441.

So it has been a vigil here up 45 cents from a week ago.

There's a lot of different lovers that have pushed prices up in this way.

Some of them will probably stop moving and they could reverse other lovers could reaccelerate prices.

But let's start there.

Refining issues have really been largely to blame for the big jump in Wisconsin and really

in the broader Great Lakes, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin have all seen a big jump.

because of scattered refining outages.

Now, this is the time of your refineries generally doing maintenance before the start of the summer.

And sometimes the maintenance overlaps that coincides.

It leads to unexpected outages just like you might take your car to the repair shop and they might say, oh, well, we found this was wrong.

We need your car for an extra night.

That can happen at refineries.

And unfortunately, when a refinery goes down for a longer period of time, it can negatively impact gasoline supplies.

So that's what we saw here in the last week.

expected disruption amidst normal maintenance, that drove prices up very significantly.

At the same time, also enhancing that jump is that President Trump had signaled that the U.S.

is going to be preparing for an extended blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.

Well, oil markets don't like hearing that.

disruption is going to continue.

So oil prices jumped.

All of that has pushed up gas prices by 45 cents in Wisconsin.

Nationally, we're also up significantly from last week, looking at numbers 28 cents higher nationally.

So a little bit of that is regional, as I mentioned, Wisconsin seeing a bigger jump because of the refining issues.

The national average also jumping because of the corresponding price of oil going up.

And something we talked about last week with regard to the story that wanted us to bring you back on here was the fact that Wisconsin gets their gas from two separate sources on different parts of the country or different parts of the Midwest.

Is that anything having to do with that?

Is that normal for states to do that?

Or is this just part of the yearly, whether it's maintenance or refinery problems?

Is that how it is for everyone around the country?

No, I mean, you know, Wisconsin can get gasoline from a couple of different sources.

So, you know, the western part of the state is a little bit more insulated because it's fed indirectly.

So, yeah, you know, there's kind of, if you look at a map of oil infrastructure, you'd see that the southeast portion of Wisconsin is much more heavily impacted, whereas the northwest portion can draw gasoline from another region, which is less impacted.

So even within a state, there's kind of a dividing line, you know,

from from Green Bay down to say Southwest, the Southwest border that the southeastern portion of the state uses gasoline from the Chicagoland area in the northwest part of the state uses gasoline supplied by refineries closer to Minnesota and Minneapolis.

So we have summer approaching to Patrick so that

typically gas prices go up before summer.

And so now we've got the war.

We've got refinery issues and all kinds of stuff going on.

Are oil companies or gas stations still likely to raise prices given how much we're suffering right now?

Or are they going to be sweethearts and say, well, this summer we won't add any more to the problem?

Well, you know, stations are simply passing along whatever the cost is.

You know, they have very little role in determining the price.

They don't want to lose money because that usually ends in a business that doesn't survive very long.

But it's been very hard for them to do that right now because the wholesale price has gone up so dramatically.

Stations don't all buy gasoline on the same day, and that can impact the cost.

So the average station may refuel their tank every two to four days, which means if you're the guy, the unlucky guy that just paid a lot more for gasoline, your competition is not likely to fill up with that for another couple of days.

So you can't really raise your prices until everyone's using that more expensive gasoline.

Then you kind of look around and say, oh, everybody's starting to raise their price.

Okay, I'm going to go along with it.

So

You know, right now, oil companies, by the way, too, they're beneficiaries of the environment where oil prices are going up.

But they're not price makers.

They're price takers.

And the market is sending prices up because of the conflict.

There's a lot more hands in a declining number of cookie jars, you could say, because the amount of oil that would flow through the Strait of Hormuz is no longer there.

So that's putting a lot of upward pressure on the supply that is available.

There's a lot of folks out there who, you know, they hear one social media post and they think they become experts in the world of oil and gas.

And folks want to talk about how little we may rely upon the gap, the, the, any sort of oil from Iran.

But it doesn't, I mean, even if, if we got zero or 100%, no matter what happens there, it always has an effect on everyone globally, regardless of whether you take part in their oil or not, correct?

Yeah, absolutely.

And, you know, I was reading a book on brain surgery.

I suppose by the weekend I might try my hand out.

That's out of my lane.

So I'll stay in my lane, which is what you're talking about.

But, you know, oil is a fungible commodity.

That is, it can be put on a boat and shipped anywhere.

And the US imports, by the way, still four to five million barrels a day.

A lot of that comes from Canada, and a lot of that ends up in our neck of the woods.

We also export about five to six million barrels a day.

So to pretend like we could not get that oil from Canada and Mexico, and we would not export, I mean, you can't really fence yourself off when something can be shipped overseas.

It doesn't really matter.

when it can be so mobilized, what we're using can be sent somewhere else, what we're producing can be sent somewhere else.

And that's why it's impossible for us to just pretend like the world doesn't exist is because oil companies, just like if you put your house in the market.

You're not going to accept the lowest offer in your house, right?

That would be wild.

Oil companies are essentially doing the same thing.

Customers in Europe are desperate for oil because a lot of their oil's gotten blocked by the straight.

So European refineries are saying, we'll give you more.

And US oil companies are saying, OK, we'll send to you because that means we'll have more money to drill for more.

We can raise production.

We can do more things.

We can raise investments.

And that's why you and I are paying more is because we can't fence ourselves off.

What we consume can end up over seats.

Our guest is Patrick DeHaan.

He is a gas analyst for Gas Body, petroleum analyst for Gas Body.

He joins us here on Nightlight again to discuss the rising costs of gas.

Patrick, aside from our own personal purchasing of gas for our vehicles, you know, we've got airlines, delivery trucks.

What are some other

something we might not realize right now, but how might these gas prices affect us in ways we don't quite see yet in the coming months if this continues?

Well, I mean, look at my backdrop for a moment.

Everything that's sitting behind me has gotten to where it needs to be via delivery trucks, via diesel.

It's produced with oil.

I mean, the shelving over here I have was at a retail store.

It got to that store with diesel.

It was shipped overseas with diesel or marine or bunker oil.

So everything that you have around you got to where it needs to go.

with some form of oil, whether diesel fuel, whether jet fuel, whether gasoline and those Amazon delivery trucks, it may be derived of oil.

I mean, look at everything behind me again, plastics everywhere.

So all of that is made out of oil and then it uses oil to get to where it needs to go.

So, you know, you go to the grocery store, all your groceries are on the shelves because diesel powered delivery trucks.

When you go to the home improvement store at spring, when you buy that mulch in your home improvement,

The store, all of that is very dense, bulky.

It's all moving via diesel fuel.

A lot of the components going into coloring that mulch can be related to fossil fuels.

So it's everywhere.

It's inescapable.

When you go to the restaurant to eat your dinner, if you go out, if you're lucky enough to do that nowadays, all of that food is delivered twice a week.

My dad used to be in the restaurant industry.

He'd get food service deliveries twice a week with diesel.

So it's up and down the supply chain.

You can underscore, I mean, maybe not so much jet fuel, but that's a whole nother headache.

Your iPhone got to your hand, your smartphone got to your hand via jet fuel when it came from overseas.

And so we're looking at like right now where we're at beginning of May and all the things you discussed earlier as far as

you know, domestically, as far as refining problems, changing blends, cleaning, all those things.

In the next few, let's say the next four to six weeks, will we see a possible a drop?

in prices from those things being done, completed, fixed, or whatever?

Or are we looking at, I know I'm not asking you to be a genie looking into the future, but for the things that are very quantifiable, will we see drops in prices once there's a little more flow to what's happening at least here in the United States with our oil?

I might need to rub the lamp to get an answer on that.

But no, I mean, yeah, absolutely.

Gas prices will see a little bit of relief.

As I mentioned, those refining issues have pushed up prices in a significant way.

Those we will see improvement on.

The bigger question is, will there be offsetting factors or aggravating factors that push prices up at the same time?

I think it's very simple.

A lot of Americans probably believe it's one factor driving oil at a time, right?

But there's not.

There's all these different levers, and they're all balancing in different ways.

So if refinery relief, which is starting, by the way, Wisconsin here in the days ahead should tiptoe a little lower, the worry is, will Iran decide to attack somebody else in the Middle East?

Will the US attack Iran?

Will that aggravate oil prices?

At the same time, we're getting relief in one area, we may be getting more pain in another area, and all of that can offset and interact with itself.

So we should see some relief here in the days ahead.

But if something drastic happens in the Strait of Hormuzor in the Middle East, part of that relief may be offset by a potential rise in oil.

There's no end in sight for the war or peripheral turmoil in the Middle East anytime soon.

It would appear.

Again, I'm not asking you to predict the future, but how high can prices go at the pump where people go?

Forget it.

I'm not going to drive anywhere.

The magical demand destruction.

Well, what I might say might be five.

You might say 550 and what, you know, a couple other folks might say six.

So it varies depending on, you know, your means depend very contingent on how much money you make, how much you can spend.

Generally speaking, I would say that the pressure would really ramp up when Americans hit 550 or $6.

As

a national average.

Yes, as a national average.

For California, that could mean $7 or $8.

And for areas of Mississippi or Alabama, that could mean $5.

So it varies by state.

And for Wisconsin, that could mean $6.

I know I've got a flamethrower I like to break out every once in a while.

I'm gonna have to keep that on the shelf all summer long, it sounds like.

If you've got fuel in it, you might want to put that fuel on your gas tank.

Oh no, I have a battery operated

green.

All

my flamethrowers are environmentally safe, so let's talk

about it.

Whenever I set someone on fire, it's with the environment in mind.

Patrick, this is great stuff.

Thank you for taking the time out.

Thank you for the work you do at GasBuddy.

Anything else you can leave with a helpful hint, if you will, something.

Watch the story of Hormuz.

That is going to hold all the details on how high gas prices go this summer or if we see any relief.

That's a great advice, Greg.

I'm gonna, I've made notes.

I'm gonna write that down with you after the show.

Patrick Dahan from Gas Buddy.

Thank you so much.

Keep us posted and we will continue reading your articles and watching you in the media doing the great work that you do.

Thank you so much.

At least somebody reads

the articles.

Thanks for

having me.

Yeah, I need to see how broke I'm going.

Even though it's bad news, it's very well reported.

So thank you very much for that.

And we hope to talk to you soon.

Thanks so much.

We are coming right back.

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All right, kids, get ready.

Right around the corner, summer break.

Hey, I'm Pete Schwabba, joined by Greg Bach and Dom Lee, running the board in Madison.

I'm coming to you live from northeast Wisconsin.

Greg is in southeast Wisconsin, and we are so glad you're here tonight.

We have a great question tonight.

What would you do?

What's the first thing you do if you won the lottery?

And there's a subset.

What is the second thing you do if you won the lottery?

So have fun with that one and let us know.

We'll read your text in just a few moments.

But a reminder to tomorrow night is Nightlight Movie Club in hour number two.

And this week's movie is Ghostbusters, brought to you by our senior producer, Tucker Lugersky, who picked that movie.

And it'll be fun to discuss great lines from the movie, great scenes, and it's spawned a franchise as well.

So be part of that as well.

We hope you guys will join us for Nightlight Movie Club tomorrow night.

What did you think?

That was fun talking to.

Oh,

I wouldn't say it was

fun,

but it was informative.

Yeah.

Patrick is very, he makes that topic very digestible.

He gets right into it.

And he's, and I will say this too is like, I was talking for the past week, like, you know, I know the straight at Hormuz is a big deal, but there's other things happening around the country that are creating higher gas prices.

And I just liked, he was like, yeah, the straight of Hormuz is the big deal.

We need to be watching them.

Like, all right, the expert is spoken.

I know nothing.

Are you sure Patrick?

So anyway, hey guys, it's a teacher's appreciation week My wife is a teacher.

She's worked very hard for 30 plus years.

She's worked in Chicago private schools as an elementary teacher the LA unified in when we were in Los Angeles and now she works for the Marinette school district and I just want to give a shout out to her and all teachers because You know somehow for a while there it seemed like politically teachers were the problem

And it's like, what?

It used to be like one of those professions like nurses where it's like, well, those are very kindhearted people that go into those jobs.

And my wife is one of them.

And just to give you an example, we were at a New Year's party, New Year's Eve party three years ago, or a couple of years ago.

And one of our neighbors ended up being in her class.

So we're all partying and having a great time.

And the neighbors are there and their son, Cooper, is sitting on my wife's lap and she's reading him a book.

at

a

New Year's Eve part.

It is truly in her and many teachers' DNA what they do.

They are just, it's what they are.

They teach and I just wanna give a shout out.

I think it's great.

I will share this.

When we first started dating, she was correcting papers one night and she asked me if I would help her.

I said, sure.

And after I corrected the paper, I corrected like 20 papers and I wrote, see me.

after the score and just a little prank and she had all these kids coming up to her the next day.

Do I have to see you?

Do I have to see you?

And

she gave you a third date.

She gave me a D plus.

So I thought that was charitable.

Anyway, shout out to teachers.

I think there's no better way of saying it than a calling.

It's a calling.

When you get into a profession that in this country, I should say, that pays pretty poorly.

Undervalues, I should, undervalued pay.

And you teach in a country where you have leaders who are trying to constantly, not only defund you, but undermine the work you do, and then refer to you, and I'll never forget this too, this is when Act 10 and 32 happened, referring to teachers as moochers and takers.

To me, they're owed, like,

this country, you know, when every teacher who retires, they should just get a check from the government of a lot of money to say, yeah, sorry about all of that.

We're really, you know, sorry about the way we treated you because, and I feel like the same thing happens to nurses too.

Now, like after the pandemic, we were all like, the nurses are the greatest people on earth, clanging the pots for the nurses.

And then, and then that all went away.

And we were like, the nurses like, can we get more help?

Can we get like more money?

Can we

get more resources?

Like, no, and shut up.

and do

your

job.

It's just so despicable.

So yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I for a half a moment considered being a teacher and then I reconsidered and said, I can't do this job.

I know a lot of friends who are teachers and I know a lot of friends who have quit the profession because this country is does not appreciate them.

And it's sad and it makes me very angry when I think about it.

And it's interesting when

They go into this profession, and I hear this from people who went and the act 10 stuff was going, they get summers off, they're done at three o'clock.

No, they're not.

And guess

what?

They go into a profession knowing they're never going to be rich.

Those salaries are capped pretty much.

And you have to work 20 years to get to the cap.

It's ridiculous.

They go into that knowing they're not going to make a lot of money, which to me is even more admirable.

But then to have benefits cut like teachers used to have good benefits.

That was the rub.

Oh, we don't make a lot of money.

but we get good healthcare or a good pension.

That's gone.

That is gone now.

They are working only for the salary and their health benefits are no better than anybody else's.

And part of that salary is being put towards buying their own supplies too.

That blew

my

mind when a teacher told me that.

Dom, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, I have a friend who is just graduating from Illinois State.

He's going into elementary education, and it is a very difficult profession.

It is just in general.

He said he has to do lesson plans every single day, five days a week, and it takes about five to six hours.

Five to six hours just to do lesson plans, just to put PowerPoints up.

It's just, it takes a lot, a lot of work.

And he even says, he's like, yeah, I don't recommend people going into...

into this and yeah, that's a high burnout rate

that yeah very well said and to your point about lesson plans my wife will feel like just Garbage some days and

I'll say

take a sick day and she's like it's more effort to go there and get ready for a sub Then to take a sick day She'd rather just go because she runs her class well and they're not unruly or anything But I'm like that is insanity you have sick days to use and you don't use them because I mean it's whatever but yeah tip of my hat to all the teachers out there

And I'll say this, we are an election year.

We've got a lot of seats up for grabs in Wisconsin and Madison or in the state house in Madison.

And I think if you are, if this is something that's near and dear to your heart, people who are knocking on your door for the job, ask them what they think about education

and teachers,

education, funding, not, and see what they think of things like voucher programs and think of that nature.

And that's how you find out who represents you truly.

And I think.

appreciating the teacher should be more than just what we're doing.

I mean, this is fine, but it needs to come in at a greater thing, like making it worth their wild and making them feel appreciated both in their pocketbook and their hearts.

So, yeah.

Very

well

said.

All right, we are going to come back and read your texts, folks.

After the news, our question is, be part of the fun, ladies and gentlemen, what is the first thing you would do if you won the lottery?

What is the second thing you would do?

Let us know.

We're reading your texts next.

And then we're going to talk about the RunP app at 6.20.

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They're usually two and a half, three hours sometimes.

And that icy goes fast and it goes right through you.

So those don't have caffeine at least, right?

I don't think so.

No, I don't believe so unless you like throw, you know,

What if you put chips in there?

What if you put chips in your eyes?

The way he rocks his chips.

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Let us restate the question of the night.

Dom?

Let's talk about the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Pregunta.

Question.

Question.

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

What would you do?

What would be the first thing you would do if you won the lottery and what would be the second thing you would do?

Give us a call.

Give us a text the numbers the same 855-752-484-2855-75 civic again leave a comment on the live stream We're on Facebook YouTube in the platform We still call Twitter and get a hold of us via the civic media app if you'd like You know what I want to do Pete right now before we do anything with regard to Facebook or our opinions Let me stretch

Kick it over to Ollie in the Northwoods who's on the phone answering the question.

Ollie, it's

so good to hear from you.

Hi guys.

Well, my thing is that I would first pay off the house, my kids' house and houses for my sisters and grandkids and school loans.

So they wouldn't have to worry about those things.

And then I'd buy myself a handicapped place with a walk-in bathtub, and I'd just sit there and maybe have a glass of wine.

Oh, nice.

Really good.

I love that, Ollie.

Very humble response.

That's great, Ollie.

It doesn't surprise me at all that the first things you would do would be taking care of the ones you love.

That is who you are.

And I'm telling you right now, I've missed you.

I'm so glad you called in tonight.

Thank you.

You guys take care.

You too,

sweetie.

I

should

have given her my Venmo.

I should have given her my Venmo before we let her go.

She's very generous, Greg.

People like

that

should win the lottery.

Absolutely.

I didn't know if you know this, Ollie, but I'm related to you.

We're cousins, right?

Well, let's get into it.

So really quick here for the three of us.

How much money are we talking?

We're winning the lottery.

How much money are we talking?

Let's say a bill.

Billy we're gonna we're rocking a Billy a Billy

or a half a Billy because

I think that's not

rare.

Those are the you know

Yeah,

okay,

so let's just go big rocking a half a Billy Pete you go.

What do you do?

What's the first and second thing you do?

I was being kind of tongue-in-cheek, but I said I would hire Van Halen to play my birthday party Get a full makeover including a perm calf implants and a butt tuck and if there's anything left I'd feed the needy

Anything left how expensive are

these cavern plants and but tux because I mean I'm dropping a couple hundred grand and I know I was I was I was teeing you up for a I know

Dom what would you do with a Billy?

Oh, man a Billy.

This is a great question I think what I would do would leave everything and let no trace of Dominic ever again no trace

of

I would just go down

I would go

off the grid.

Is your mother listening to this right now?

Are you mother

listening right now?

Hopefully not.

No.

Where did

my

son go?

Get some new chips or something or whatever.

But

then I would

come

back.

Crackproof Pringles.

But then I would come back in a nice suit.

I'd have a yacht.

I'd have everything I could imagine.

But I would go completely off the grid.