Here in the first hour, Greg and Pete talk to algorithmic auditor and writer Cathy O’ Neil about how algorithms can make life difficult and cause harm.

Listen to Cathy break down the invisible force behind much of our modern tools from Amazon purchases, modern advertising, and social media.

Beyond her writing, Cathy fights to make AI and algorithmic-based technology with her nonprofit ORCAA. When she’s not fighting harmful technology, Cathy likes to take time offscreen and play fiddle in her bluegrass band Five Year Plan. 

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Stuff mentioned on the show: 

• Cathy O’ Neil’s website

• Cathy’s 2017 book Weapons of Math Destruction. 

• Cathy’s podcast “AI Skeptics.”

• Cathy’s nonprofit ORCAA trying to “help define accountability for algorithms.”

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