Nite Lite at the Museum (Hour 2)

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Nite Lite at the Museum (Hour 2)

Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Tue May 13, 2025

Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.

This is Night Light with Pete Chwaba.

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And now, a guy who writes checks his mouth can't cash.

Pete Chwaba.

Welcome to Night Light, ladies and gentlemen.

All right, let's Tuesday.

Let's Tuesday it up.

Beautiful day in the state of Wisconsin.

We are on the air live with Nightlight on the radio, the good old fashioned radio.

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We're also on the stream and the app and all kinds of fun stuff and people can probably just go to the website.

and listen to the show as well.

You have many different ways to nightlight.

However you so choose to do so, it's just great.

And it's great to have you.

We have a fun show tonight.

Like we try to do every night here.

We hope to send you off to bed or end your work day with some laughs and some talk about comedy and movies and TV and all that kind of good stuff.

And tonight, this is exciting Conrad.

I don't know if you're aware of this.

I hope you are though.

I think so.

I'm not sure what the talking

thing is.

This is like a field trip tonight.

It's museum night here.

It's night at the museum on nightlight.

Nightlight at the museum.

How do you like that?

I like it.

I like it too.

One of

them I'm really familiar with because I spent half of my childhood there, it feels like.

Did you really?

At the Circus World Museum, yes.

You spent half your childhood?

It feels like.

My grandparents, they live in Baraboo.

Naturally,

they

used to actually, you know, volunteer there.

Oh, I didn't know

that.

So I'd go there a lot as a child.

I probably saw everything that you could see there.

God, no kidding.

I've never been there.

I've never been.

It's really fun.

Experience for the whole family, I'd say.

It's not just for

kids.

Conrad is talking about the Circus World Museum in Baraboo, which is the home or was the home of Ringling Brothers.

Five of the brothers lived there.

which I think is fascinating, like spanning two centuries.

And it's just an institution right here in Wisconsin town in Baraboo.

And tonight joining us at 720 will be Jennifer Cronk.

She is the curator of the Circus World Museum, and she's going to talk about all kinds of fun stuff they have coming up down there right here in our state.

If you live south or feel like a road trip, it's definitely something to check out as attested to here by the kid, Conrad Krieger.

So what did...

What I think is kind of cool is they have shows there, too Yeah, I once saw a magic show there.

Okay, which was I don't remember what age I was but I was like I want to do magic

I

had to be like 11 or something, but it was really cool and then

well that you can flame out you

can see all the like The train cars that they have like going through you know the the parades that they haven't They have them all right there.

You can go see them.

They're really cool

And they must I know they have the big circus parade in Milwaukee.

They must

haul all that stuff over to Milwaukee, right?

Yeah.

And, um, just that you go into the, I can't think of what it's called, but you know, the big

visitor center auditorium arena.

We're getting closer, I think.

Okay.

Just wing it.

It's where the clowns perform.

You know, yeah, the big top, the big top.

There we go.

Thank

you.

I've seen

many, many, many shows.

Okay.

Top there.

Oh, that's fantastic.

Well, you feel free to jump in when Jennifer Cronk is the name of our guest at 720.

She's the curator.

And if something pops into mind, feel free to jump in and ask our guest at 720, Jennifer Cronk.

Then at 635, our first guest tonight is Greg Vadney.

He is the executive director of the Raar Museum in Manitowoc and the Raar West Museum.

Did I say West?

Well, you did now.

OK.

So I don't want people to go to the East Museum.

The North, the South.

But Greg will be here.

He's always fun.

He's coming into the studio.

I was nice enough to judge the Sputnik contest.

No, they were nice enough to ask me and Amanda Nimmer set the thing up and I was the judge of the costumes for...

for a sputnik fest.

That was a lot of fun, and I got to hang out with Greg a little bit there.

He's been on the show a couple times.

Greg is a great guy.

He's going to tell us all the cool stuff coming up at the RR West in Manitowoc.

If you haven't been, you got to check it out.

It's a gorgeous facility.

Did you spend any time there, Conrad?

I can't say.

Come on, man.

You know, I think you should judge the sputnik fest again, and I think I should enter.

I think you should, in like the nine and under group, which is one of the...

One of the

groups.

And just to have a little like paper that says I am nine.

Yeah, like a fake ID.

Yeah,

exactly.

So we'll do all of that tonight.

We're going to talk.

It's museum talk.

And in between that, we'll filter in your texts and we'll talk about movies and TV.

My son, Joe, was he's like, you talked about Speed Racer last night.

And I said, yeah, I said Conrad and I talked a little bit about it.

And then we talked about it with Matt Miller.

So we just kind of touched on it.

Yeah, just a little bit.

Yeah.

I think what you guys talked about yesterday is the visuals of it.

I think like myself, I think are great.

Yeah.

But Matt kind of was like, you know, the comedy doesn't really hit that well when you're older.

True.

And I mean, I rewatched it probably about a year ago or something.

And I agreed.

It was, you know, the story, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But the parts of it you liked.

The visuals held up.

You still like that.

The visuals when he's racing on all those tracks, you know, yeah,

that's different places.

I think it's it's it's really cool.

Agreed.

So we will we'll talk with those are our guests.

And then we've also got it's Homer Simpson's birthday.

I can't wait.

We missed that last night, but he is a he's a cartoon character.

Do you know how old he is?

He stayed 37.

That

is not true.

Well, the show has been on over 30 years now, but Homer on the show they say his age several times

He's got to be pushing, you know, probably about 60.

I think

Well, it just depends how they how they attack that from a writer standpoint on the show like is this all one year?

I mean the Simpsons have been on for what?

I mean 30 they came on an 89 That's like 36 years.

So there's definitely more

you know, then a year's worth

of work.

Worth of episodes, yeah.

I don't know.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

But it's like, you know, they don't age.

Like Bart Simpson stays the same age, just like family.

Yeah.

They never change age either.

And then, you know, they stayed.

It was just kind of fun because my mom, it was her birthday yesterday.

That's why I was in a hurry to get out of here.

And she shared a birthday yesterday with Homer Simpson, which she was thrilled about.

That's awesome.

And all of her kids let her know, Mom, this is so great.

So.

So, lots of fun stuff happening tonight.

I have to say, I drove here tonight, and as I do every night, on 41, and coming up over, it's not hilly from Marinette to Green Bay, but there are slight inclines, and if you come up fast enough, you can come up on another car.

Well, today, I drove up, everybody was hitting the brakes because it was one of these humongous farm.

Equipment things it took up a lane and a half.

Yeah, everybody hit in the brakes like those things are dangerous like I Can't believe they can't go on the frontage road or something it was like

You know those are the most I think dangerous vehicles to be on the road with oh, yeah one time I was hit like a Vehicle that was I don't know what it was.

There was a farm equipment

And they didn't have any reflectors on

anything.

Oh, really?

So I turn on this road and they're going across.

No reflectors or anything.

But it wasn't the freeway or the highway.

No, I just couldn't see it.

Yeah.

I almost I was like really close to hitting it.

It was dangerous.

Everybody locked him up.

People were letting people in and everybody knew everyone was screwed if people didn't get over.

It was kind of a nice it was like everybody working together.

And then you start to speed up and there's another one like in a quarter of a mile.

And it was just

And

whatever.

It's the highway.

It's a country highway.

What do you expect?

I mean, yeah, you're up there.

It's far bill up there.

I'm the one that moved very far away.

It is my fault.

I take full responsibility just so I could get a cheap house near the water that I had to move to the edge of the universe.

Also known as Marinette Wisconsin, a dandy little bird.

We got a text overnight from Bud in Janesville.

Bud often texts us between 4 and 6 a.m.

when he is out delivering papers.

He said, hey, Pete and Conrad, the summer song that comes to mind, that's right, last night our question of the night was, what is your favorite summer song?

And Bud says, the summer song that comes to mind is Saturday in the Park by Chicago.

That's a great one, Bud.

To give it some context, I was playing on my boom box when I was with my first serious girlfriend on a blanket underneath the stars where I was learning about the birds and the bees on the job, on the job.

The hell kind of job is that?

Yeah.

Pretty good gig.

Keep it clean.

But this is a family show.

He says, actually, it was more by trial and error.

We don't need all these details.

Where does that go?

What's happening over here?

Regardless, it was very memorable.

OK, I may have made up the contextual part.

He just wants to go back down memory lane.

And Vertendi is messing around with his high school girlfriend.

Couple of fun kids.

There you go, bud.

Thank you for the text.

He says, love your show, bud, from Jamesville.

Always good to hear from you, pal.

And be careful out there, delivering those papers in the early morning hours.

So, all right, last week.

Oh, we gotta get to the question.

Good God.

Sounds good.

Let's get to it.

Let's do it.

This is a question of the night, folks.

Let's talk about the question.

Okay, question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Question.

Okay, I have a question.

Questions.

This question.

Question.

Questions.

What is... Oh, I'm sorry.

If you could only listen to one style of music for the rest of your life, what would it be?

If you could only listen to one style of music, what would it be?

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Let us know and text us your favorite style of music.

Not even your favorite, but what could you listen to for the rest of your life if you had to choose just one genre?

I yield the floor to you Conrad tonight first.

You know, I've given thought about this, but like it is the genre I listen to the most and it's like rapping hip-hop.

For the rest of your life though.

Yeah.

I've been doing it for, you know, however, I

think

probably about since I was like 12 or 13.

It's

been my favorite genre.

There are slower songs.

Yeah, there's different.

Yeah,

yeah, there's different styles of it too, you know, so yeah, I think I'd go with that because most of my favorite artists are in that genre.

I think I would I want to say rock and roll.

But I don't know, like, I might have to go folk rock because I need some up tempo and then I need to slow it down like I would say classical because that's like the most soothing.

But sometimes I want to rock.

Or love jazz love blues.

Jazz can be

up tempo or slower.

So I'm gonna figure this out, folks.

My answer will be on standby, but I will get back to you.

But let us know what you think, 855-752-4842, 855-755-CIVIC.

If you could only listen to one style of music, the rest of your life, what would it be?

Let's have some fun with this one.

I also wanna say, I wanna get back to this because today, I took a walk and the Mayflies are insane.

And we talked about this last week.

It's it's out of control and then I go to my car and I get in the car and 18,000 mayflies go in the car So I'm like swatting them as I'm driving and avoiding farm equipment on the road and it's They're dangerous And I think my question what last week why I asked you is can mayflies break a fast?

So here's what we're gonna do when we come back

folks after this very short break.

I'm going to read some texts and I'm going to tell you how many calories per fly, dry weight, are in a Mayfly.

Very

interesting

topics.

Nightlight

tonight.

Probably a little protein in there.

But it's Museum Night.

Welcome.

Greg Vadney is here at 635 and Jennifer Crock from the Circus Museum.

She's the curator down there in Baraboo.

Both guests so much fun tonight.

We'll tell you everything that's going on.

We'll read your texts.

We got some great clips, all kinds of fun here on Nightlight coming up next though.

And if you want to text over the commercial, let us know how many calories you think one Mayfly contains.

This is Peach Wapa and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I already have, like, the shiniest forehead in the history of radio.

I've only been doing this a little over a year.

That's impressive.

That's a

little better now.

All right, the glare is off.

We got a glare bouncing off the building across the street here in downtown Green Bay that was illuminating.

Yeah, you, like, I was looking on stream, you know, I didn't want to interrupt you, but, like,

appreciate

that.

It was just a yellow spot on your face.

You could barely see your eyes.

Yeah, that's all right.

So, all right, let's get this out of the way because I know people are chomping at the bit trying to find this out.

This is information, by the way.

If it's unclear, Conrad, part of this is on you because you sent this information last week.

I asked if me swallowing like 100 mayflies on a walk breaks a fast because I was doing intermittent fasting.

Here's what one mayfly weighs.

and this is dry Conrad took the liberty of putting dry weight this is dry weight .008 calories per fly that's dry weight and then you wrote .0004 calories per fly but what does that mean because they're both per fly do you remember i

think the dry weight is when they're dead maybe i don't

know okay

um well i you are breaking it fast though probably

it's not zero it's not zero calories so

You did.

Well, that really sucks.

Um, they, I mean, don't get me wrong, they taste it good.

They're, they're such a nuisance though.

And then they get in your car, it's like everywhere you go.

I mean, to put my car in the garage at night just so mayflies don't get in there.

You know, I'm like, if I swallow a bug, I'm deeply worried that I'm going to get sick because of all the stuff that they touch.

It's going to like glom onto your stomach or something and put.

Something it sat in the picnic bench in your stomach.

It's horrible.

It's like when you're younger and you swallow a watermelon seed Yeah,

that works all right, so there you go folks so in case you were wondering and I thought for whatever reason I thought may flies I said like a day or two.

It's been a week

And they're still everywhere, at least where I live.

You know, it's terrible.

So our question of the night, folks, is if you could only listen to one style of music the rest of your life, what would it be?

I'm on the fence.

I love jazz because it's cool.

You can speed up, slow down, but rock has a lot of jazz in it and blues.

That's where rock comes from.

And there's rock like Chicago with horns, Springsteen's East Street band has a ton of horns and brass.

I don't know.

I'm struggling here, but I'm probably going to say jazz.

I

mean would you miss though like people like is it jazz that sings too right?

Yeah well you could sing to jazz absolutely

yeah.

I just like thinking if it's just instruments would you miss the vocal part of

it?

Yeah I would but you can sing during jazz or blue like I just saw centers some great blues songs and centers.

I don't know maybe I'll rock and roll.

Well, we'll see let's get to the text on the social media Daniel Wheeler says I choose Brazilian jazz It's upbeat relaxing and great background music to just chillax with I Have to wet my mouth to say the word chillax Yes, you do to say it properly That's an inside joke.

Thank you Daniel.

Sarah Jean Rosenberg says Daniel Wheeler.

Oh, I'm intrigued any suggestions on where to start listening to this I have a band or album recommend

Have a band or album recommendation to check out.

I love see look.

I love that textures.

It's an information exchange.

It is I Hope Sarah Jean finds something she loves thanks to our pal Daniel Daniel says Sarah Jean honestly, it's all Pandora.

I think Daniel's full of it Ever listen to Brazilian jazz

He says, it's all Pandora.

I like this song.

It made a station from it.

I get that.

I've done that too, Daniel.

He says, it's wonderful background music and just drifts nicely between your consciousness, your conscious and subconscious as you're working on art or something.

I get that because that I like to listen to music when I write.

If I'm trying to capture a particular mood or scene, but jazz is something I really started to dig because I could have it on in the background and you can't follow jazz.

So it's easier to concentrate.

Amanda Nimmer, all caps.

She says rock.

That a girl.

Nothing wrong with that, Amanda.

Dan Davy says they say one's choice of music style mirrors their persona.

My favorite is angry and drunk Irish music.

Oops.

Okay, Dan.

Kick back a few more and go pick a fight, Dan.

Sarah Jean also says probably bluegrass.

I've heard some variations that I think...

could quench my multi-style music needs.

That's a great choice, actually, because you've got all of those different things coming together.

You've got rock, jazz, blues, rockabilly, hillbilly.

You could have someone play in the jug.

Steve from Florida says, interesting fact about Conrad, he attended Clown Camp at the Circus World Museum at around the age of seven.

Do you remember that?

I remember a couple of things from that.

That's kind of cool.

I remember it being really hot in a gym where we practice and that I was the big guy who lifted heavy things.

Okay.

So I was like, I was like seven lifting like 50 pound dumbbells.

Here's

what your dad says.

Conrad and his cousin Colin also spelled with a K. Okay, this is getting weird.

Performed at the end of camp and in the big top.

They brought the house down, a memorable event.

We gotta see pictures, Steve.

Please share some photos if you have.

Don't.

Ross from Crawford County says classical because it covers them all.

Yeah, that's a great choice, Ross.

I thought about classical too.

I listen to it a lot.

KUSC on iHeart, great stuff on a Sunday morning.

Sherry from Hurrican says, good evening.

Pete and Conrad, I would pick all 70s.

She just goes year.

She's not.

Confining yourself to a genre, Sherry says, I'm picking a decade.

We love you enough, so that's fine, Sherry.

Jimmy Kay, Max Inc Radio says, original local music from Wisconsin, of course.

Yeah, that's a genre, sure, we'll take that.

Wisconsin is a, I like

that.

Yeah, I love it, Jimmy, thank you, buddy.

AJ in the 608 says, good evening, PNC.

PNK.

Oh, AJ.

You are gonna, you are gonna invoke the wrath of the kid Conrad Krueger.

She says the Speed Racer movie was a triumph of cinema and comparable to Charles Dickens.

A Christmas Carol.

Interesting.

Honestly, it was just so much fun, but if I had to choose a music genre for the rest of my life, it might be folk.

I'm with ya, AJ, that's a great choice.

She says love sun, kill moon, sun, kill moon, Gordon Lightfoot, and I would put Luminers in there.

I guess I feel like it's broader than people give a credit for.

There's no bigger fan of Gordon Lightfoot than me, AJ.

That's great.

We'll read some more texts as the show progresses.

Rose on the stream, though, says, hi, Pete.

Hi, Rose.

Great to have you with us tonight.

Great to have all of you with us.

It's a field trip to museums tonight on Night Light, and it's all coming up next.

After the news, this is Pete Schwab, but we'll come in right back.

I'm Pete Schwabba.

It is National Crouton Day.

Oh, that gets your mouth watering, huh?

You ever been so hungry, you just reach in to a bag and grab some croutons and start mowing them?

Yes, I've done that.

100%.

I've done that

too.

I've done that like, oh, here comes Greg.

I've done that too, like where I'm having a cocktail and sometimes you just need something to kind of, just kind of snack on when you're having a little whiskey or a beer.

And sometimes, you know,

A Cruton provides that.

It's also National Apple Pie Day, which is cool.

Our question of the night is if you could only listen to one style of music for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Nick from Marshall says I listen to a variety of genres, but reggae music is my ultimate favorite genre.

Agree with Conrad, rap and hip-hop is very good, but old-school hip-hop from the late 70s through the mid-2000s, modern rap and hip-hop can be good, especially if it's by a rapper who has been in the game for a very long time, like Eminem, Snoop Dogg, Nas?

Am I saying that right?

Yep.

Okay.

Wow, even Greg Vadney knew that.

I don't mean even like... I'm a New Yorker.

I don't think

like museum directors

shouldn't know cool music.

He says, but most of the new young artists suck.

Plus...

The names suck, too.

Like Lil Boopy,

remember that, Conrad?

We had fun with that dude's name.

We need to remember his birthday, you know?

So we can wish him a happy birthday next

time.

That is an awful name, though.

I could not agree more with you, Nick.

All right, it is time for... This is our field trip tonight.

We are doing nothing but museum talk when it comes to guests anyway.

Jennifer Cronk, she's the curator of the Baraboo...

Baraboo Clown Museum.

No, that's not right.

Baraboo Circus.

Circus World.

Good God, Pete.

She's coming up.

I got here just in time.

I went to Clown College for three years, but I couldn't finish.

Oh my gosh, that's right.

It was too difficult.

You'd think it'd be easy, but no.

And now, our first trip down Museum Lane is with our pal Greg Vadney.

He's the executive director of the Raar West Museum in Manitowoc, and he joins us here in studio.

It's great to see you, buddy.

Great to see you, too.

Yeah.

Thanks for having me by.

Hey, anytime.

This is, like, what, your third or fourth?

I think it is.

Yeah, it's third, I think.

Always fun.

Yeah.

So how have you been?

Good.

Busy.

Yeah, it's the 75th anniversary of my humble museum.

Is that

right?

So we've had programming all year long, and we're going to continue it all year long.

So 75 years.

75 years starting

in 19.

You've only been there 61 years of that, right?

That's correct.

Okay.

Yes.

Came over from New York.

I know.

12 year old.

Don't I

look young for being 85 years

old?

For a stressed out executive museum director.

No, man, I've been there 13 years.

Wow.

Good for you, man.

Yeah.

And you're a New Yorker.

We've covered that before.

But I don't know if I ever asked you this.

Did you

Did you come here for this gig or

were you here already?

Oh, that.

Let's see, because we don't have that much time to talk about it.

But the short story is I came here because of a girl.

My wife

is from

Manetswak.

That's how they get to

Greg.

But I had a museum degree, so I was looking for museum.

OK.

You know, it's funny, because we would come and visit her family.

And they'd be like, hey, I thought you were going to move to Wisconsin.

I was like, well, it's not like being an electrician.

It's not like there's a job in every town.

Then I started to think maybe I should just be an electrician.

Right?

Yeah.

I could visit museums.

I could volunteer.

But then this, thankfully, this job opened up in her hometown and it worked out.

incredibly well.

And you love it

there.

You like Manitowoc.

I do.

I love Manitowoc.

I

honestly do not like just blow and smoke with it.

I

adore Manitowoc.

I love raising my kids there.

I'm very, very blessed to have married into a wonderful family.

So my wife's family, many of them still live in Manitowoc and they're wonderful

people.

See, that's the problem with me.

I only like my wife of all of her family members.

Oh, yeah.

How do you navigate that?

That is

hard.

That's hard.

I know they're listening too, so I could ask a problem.

All right, so you said we don't have that much time.

Are you got a scoot?

No, I don't have a scoot, but you know, I can... Did it hurt you?

Yeah, no, I'm telling you, you pull the string with me, we're going to have like a three hour conversation.

Well, we can't do that.

We can't do that.

That's what I'm saying.

That was more for me

than you

or our listeners.

I needed to know that I had to keep it short.

We had a guest on three weeks ago or so, who we had booked, and we solidified the time and all that.

And he goes, I can only stay a couple minutes.

Oh, okay.

He's just

stopping by.

But it worked out just fine and there was a miscommunication.

But anyway, so you stay as long as you like, buddy.

That's what I'm saying.

Awesome.

We do have a lot

to cover because

there's a lot

going on at RR West.

So

we're, you know, should we start with exhibits or events that people can still be part of before we get to the upcoming?

Yeah, let's do it.

Let's do that.

Yeah, let's do it.

So the big one would be this week.

And that is,

I said we're celebrating our 75th anniversary, which

is a big

anniversary.

We're also celebrating another huge milestone, which is the 100th, we'll say anniversary of our George O'Keefe painting in our collection, Persian pine tree number.

That's

right.

Right.

That was painted in 1925 and the museum.

It is it is kind of like we have some wonderful art.

Don't get me wrong.

Yeah, we've got Picasso's.

We've got Warhol's.

We have

Some some other like very well-known American artists from the 20th century.

Okay,

but

the Georgia O'Keeffe painting is like the big one the piece de resistance

Do you feature local artists?

We do.

We do.

We'll

get, yeah.

I'll actually talk a little bit about that.

But, you know, Georgia O'Keeffe kind of counts.

People think of her as like New Mexico, but she grew up in Sun Prairie, Wisconsin.

I just did a painting of Conrad last week, and it's fine, but you're probably, I understand.

Oh, all right.

Well,

yeah.

No, if you're doing the hard sell here, I'm listening.

He's got high tops on and a backwards baseball hat.

I don't see enough.

of those kind of paintings.

That's nice.

That's

contemporary.

I like it.

So I forgot you guys had a Georgia

O'Keeffe.

So we had.

We do.

And I'm telling you, man, it is our calling card.

It's traveled around the world.

It is, I mean, out of our collection.

And if you'll indulge me, I'll tell you a little bit about

what I know

about it.

Yeah.

Because we have an event coming up this Thursday, free event, 3 p.m.

PD Young, who is an art educator at the Art Institute of Chicago, is going to be at the museum.

And he's going to put this O'Keeffe painting in proper context.

He's the professional, right?

I pretend to be a professional, but I know two things about this O'Keeffe.

I know where it was painted in Lake George, New York, which is not far from my hometown and a place where I go every year.

I have family that live in Lake George.

I know exactly the spot because there's a nice marker, thanks to the state of New York, that shows where she summered.

That's

so great.

It's not far from where my family.

I've got my aunt and uncle have a house in Lake George.

I've got friends who have Lake Lake George house.

So I see it every year, which

is

fun.

And it's funny for Wisconsin people.

Lake George Village in Lake George Lake George has been a tourist town for centuries, like Thomas Jefferson used to vacation there.

It's been it's been a long time.

It's been a place to go.

What was his name again?

Uh, last name was Jefferson, Jefferson.

Uh, he was, uh, Southerner.

I think he's in that musical, you know,

the one

with all the

ramping.

Do you get to see when you're there, do you get to see where she painted that kind of, you know, it's the property and the house, the house

is gone now and all that.

Uh, and, and a few years ago, the first time I saw it after I had taken the job.

I've got a bunch of kids.

So like I said, Lake George village, it's been a tourist destination.

Now it's kind of like a miniature version of the Dells.

You're talking about a lot of miniature golf and water slides and, you know, chachkies that they sell in every store and

ice

cream and all that.

So my kids want to go there.

They're like, let's

go to the arcades.

And, uh, and dad pulls over at a stupid sign on the side of the road and, uh, the painting is birch and pine tree.

Now.

New York is kind of like the north woods here.

There are a lot of pine trees.

So my kids are in the car screaming at me, dad, you said we could go to the arcade.

And I'm like, let me just find one stinking birch tree.

It doesn't matter if it's the right one.

I just want a picture.

So eventually I had to acquiesce and I just gave up

and I said,

listen, you know, we'll go to the arcade.

Let's

just go to the arcade guys.

Is this the painting?

Well, that's the one right

there.

that you're scrolling over right here.

Yeah.

And it's one of three.

So it's good because you

said

which one is ours.

So we have Birch and Pine Tree number two.

There

is a Birch and

Pine Tree number one, which is at the Philadelphia Art Museum.

Think Rocky, right?

The Rocky steps.

Yeah,

their museum has the first one.

And then there's what is known as Birch and Pine Tree pink, which almost looks like rhubarb sticks of rhubarb, you know, huh?

And that one is up in Maine at a college Colby College in Maine.

But ours is the best obviously

how does this little museum in Manitowoc this cool little funky me?

It's

like we work this out ahead of time because that's the other thing I really know a lot about yeah, and that is how we got it Tell me

right.

I think it's that's part half the story right there so

again quick answer is there's a West Connected to our name and that is the West family John

and

West okay, and the easy answer is Ruth West is the reason

The West family owned the Manitowoc Company, which was shipbuilding.

A lot of people know them for cranes now.

So

they were great patrons.

And Ruth West knew that she was nearing the end of her time.

She had already really turbocharged the museum with her money, but also with her knowledge of art.

And she had gotten us an amazing collection of art.

And she decided, I want...

one last big piece

as a

final gift.

And the beautiful thing is that that final gift was this painting, and this painting has had two owners.

One is the Rar West Art Museum.

But before that, it was owned by one individual, Georgia O'Keefe.

Georgia O'Keefe?

Oh my God.

Georgia O'Keefe never sold

it, never gave it away.

She had it at her property.

She kept it.

Her entire life, she died in 1986 in 1990.

her family auctioned off some of her own personal artwork, including some of her artwork that she had created, including Birch and Pine Tree number two.

And

Mrs. West, Ruth West bought it on behalf of the Raw West Art Museum, a final wonderful gift.

That is the voice of Greg Badney.

He is the executive director of the Rarwest Museum in Manitowoc.

If you haven't been there, you have to check it out.

They have an original Georgia O'Keefe.

That's what we're talking about right now.

Aaron Zommer is listening on, I believe, on the app says, I love the Rarwest.

One of the things I miss the most from living in Manitowoc.

I didn't know Zommer's lived in Manitowoc.

I didn't either.

Oh man, he'd be a great neighbor for you, Greg.

Well, thank you.

Good

dude.

Come on back

and

visit.

Yeah, absolutely.

So is that the prize piece, would you say, of the museum?

Yeah,

that's our big one.

We have other ones that are incredible, a great Chagall, Mark Chagall,

art and

collection.

Like I said, Warhol, Picasso's, but that O'Keeffe is like, that's a big one.

Fantastic.

So what else is an exhibit like people can still check out that might be running out, or do you want to get to the upcoming stuff?

Yeah, you know.

Well, first of all, let me let me continue on with the O'Keeffe because we have the celebratory event, which is Thursday this coming Thursday the 15th.

It's free to the public three o'clock.

We have PD Young from the Art Institute of Chicago visiting us and sharing his great knowledge of Georgia O'Keeffe and putting in putting the painting into like the context of what Georgia O'Keeffe was up to in the 1920s.

Is

that something people

have to get tickets

for no tickets even though it's free like come on

by

Wow

nice come on by and then we're gonna do a special ribbon cutting because we figured we got a bunch of people coming anyway Yeah, so we're gonna celebrate the 75th anniversary with a ribbon cutting at the at the museum That'll happen at four o'clock just after the the talk so we'll

all

get together and do kind of a photo op and celebrate

both the George O'Keeffe paintings, 100th birthday and the 75th of the Roar West.

And, you know, as you were saying, what kind of other exhibits, our historic Vilous Roar Mansion is just chock full of exhibits this year celebrating our 75th.

We'll jump into

all that.

We got to do a very short break.

But is that house, was that the West's house?

No, that was the Roar's house.

I'm sorry, the Roar.

The Roars gave us the house, the Wests gave us the art.

Wow, that's teamwork right there.

All right.

Greg Vadney is here.

He's the executive director of the Raw West Museum in Manitowoc, which absolutely rocks.

We'll have some more with Greg, more time with Greg, and we're going to find out some other events that are upcoming and all kinds of fun stuff.

Maybe we'll even touch on Sputnik Fest if we can.

That's always fun.

I don't mind talking about that.

All right.

We're coming right back at Nightlight with Pete Schwabba on the Civic Media Radio

Network.

to this Tuesday edition of Night Light.

It's Night Light at the Museum.

That's what we're calling tonight's show because we have two great guests who are very involved in different museums.

Jennifer Cronk will be here from Circus World in Baraboo.

She's here at 720 and right now our pal Greg Vadney is here for the multiple.

You're like basically, you're like the house band almost.

Oh,

I don't mind that man.

Have me back as many times you want.

I love it.

You play an instrument.

There's the rub.

I took guitar.

I took guitar lessons in sixth grade boy for like a month or two.

And this will give you the exact age that I am.

I learned one song.

Hip to be square.

Louis and the new one.

Yep.

I mean, it's not bad.

It's not necessarily known as a guitar song.

Not even his best song either,

but

a fine tune.

But yeah, yeah.

Well, it's great to have you here.

We were talking about Georgia O'Keeffe and that's Thursday.

And P.D.

Young will be there from the Art Institute in Chicago talking about this original painting that you guys have at the Raw West, which I think is just spectacular.

That starts at three.

It starts at three o'clock.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And again, free to the public.

We'll have enough seating.

We'll have it in our Ruth West Gallery.

It's got a lot of seating.

It should be a wonderful event.

And again, it's a celebration of, it is the 100th birthday of that painting.

It's been 100 years since it was painted.

And it just so happens that that falls during a member swap weekend.

The Roar West works with a bunch of different other cultural institutions in Manitowoc and Two Rivers.

And each year we host a member swap, which is kind of that

for anybody's members.

So if you're a member of the Raw West, the Farm Discovery Center, the Wisconsin Maritime Museum, Woodland Dunes Nature Preserve, Hamilton Wood Type Museum, or the Pinecrest Historical Society, if you're a member of one, you're a member of all, all this weekend from Thursday until Sunday.

So, you know, for most of us, the membership.

the big membership perk is free admission.

So it's free admission in all of these different places.

Now the RAR West is one of those places that we don't charge admission anyway.

But we do offer our member rates for classes if people want to sign up for classes this weekend.

And we have a lot of wonderful, very unique things in our gift shop.

You know, you would mention Sputnik Fest before that.

We have some Sputnik Fest gear that you can get at a discounted price as a member price.

So we do have all those member benefits available to everybody who's anyone who is a member of any of those six institutions all this weekend as part of our member swap in Manitoba.

That is outstanding.

I remember when I judged it, when I was one of the judges for the costume thing last year at Sputnik, I thought, you know, I got my car.

It was a beautiful day.

The sun was out.

I got the manna to walk.

I don't know.

I stepped into a vortex or something.

It was 30 degrees colder by the time I got there.

It was probably 50 degrees colder in two rivers.

I'm going to wear a

snowsuit if I'm

invited

back.

I don't know.

Courtney Hanson, our tourism chief probably wouldn't like us talking about poor weather.

Oh, that's true.

I will say that when I left there on my way here, it was very foggy.

Really?

Oh my gosh, it was like PC fog.

You know,

there was fog 20 miles south of here in Manitowan

or 30, whatever about 30 miles south of here.

Wow.

But you know, that's like it's like going to London.

Right for for somebody in Green Bay.

It's like you go to London.

It's cheap.

It's cheaper than flying there and wonderful artwork.

Different

different accents to different

accents, fish and chips.

We don't call it.

It's just a fish fry.

But hey,

let's be honest, that's fishing shit.

Absolutely.

So what else we got to do the news in a couple of minutes?

Can you stay through the news?

Oh, heck yeah.

OK.

Awesome.

So Greg Vadney is here, executive director of the Rawr West Museum in Manitowoc.

Great stuff happening.

What else is there now that people should take advantage of before we get to the upcoming...

Upcoming stuff?

Well, as I said, we have a 75th anniversary theme going on at the historic Vilas Rawr mansion, which is part of the museum.

And so we have two floors, about six different independent exhibitions.

And they all are tied into this theme of our 75 years.

And one of the examples I'll give, there was an affinity group of artists and art aficionados in Manitowoc for many, many years prior to the Raw or West forming.

They were called the Little Gallery.

And the two things that they did that were very important, one, they collected art.

And some of the art they collected is incredible.

Yeah.

A good example, there was an artist in town who was friends with an artist named Stuart Davis.

Stuart Davis was a New York City modern artist.

And because of the friendship between him and this guy from Two Rivers named Lester Bentley, I think because of the friendship, he sold a painting to the group for like $150.

$150, $150 grand, $150.

Now, Stuart Davis nowadays is really considered to be one of the big kind of first level American contemporary artists, right?

1930s and 40s.

And so, of course, this painting is a lot worth a lot more now.

It's like about 1.5 million now.

So that's a good investment, right?

So that painting, during its time with the Little Gallery, not only was that museums, it hung at restaurants.

In Manitowoc.

It was at the schools.

The 1.5 million one libraries.

This is through the years.

It's like 1930s 40s 50s through the years, you know locals stores in our downtown like department stores had it there There are photos of it up there because it was like part of the community, but I love that dude Oh That's great, but now we have that it's part.

It's been part of our collection since the 19th and it's worth 1.5 million

Yeah, about that thereabouts in our last give or take a hundred thousand.

It's not, you know, I'm a I'm a museum guy.

I don't talk about the numbers.

Sure.

You know, no, it's about it.

But it is.

I mean, it's it's a painting that could easily be New York, Chicago, L.A.

London and would not be out of place in the largest museums in the world.

And it's here in Manitowoc.

You can find it on the second floor of the historic violence for our image and learn about how that group of artists and things really.

built the RAR West collection into what it was.

You just invited every cat burglar in America to visit.

I got a security system.

Yeah.

Okay.

It's not.

Yeah.

Back up.

We got your

buddy.

Our question of the night is if you could only listen to one form of music for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Dave on the stream says all country for me.

All right.

Let us know folks and we'll read your text on the radio.

More coming up with Greg Vadney after intermission here at Nightlight with Pete Schwabba on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'll be happy

Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.

This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba.

Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.

And now a guy whose house has an actual wiggle room, Pete Schwabba.

Welcome back to hour number two.

of Nightlight at the Museum.

That's our theme tonight, folks.

We're all about museums tonight, and we're having a blast here.

We've got Jennifer Cronk coming up at 720.

She is the curator at the Circus World Museum in Baraboo.

Greg Vadney is here in studio talking about all things RRW in the first hour.

If you missed it, our question of the night is, if you could only listen to one

Style of music for the rest of your life, what would it be?

And the answers are all across the board, as you would expect.

More hip-hop, I would say.

That surprised me.

We've got more hip-hop.

I don't, because I like some hip-hop.

I don't think I would pick that as my music for the rest of my life.

I'm kind of torn between rock and folk.

Maybe jazz?

As usual, I'm wishy-washy on my own question.

But keep the texts coming.

We'll read those on the radio.

And what else do we do, Conrad?

We determine that a Mayfly has .0004 calories.

If you happen to eat a Mayfly when you're out taking a walk, they will break a fast.

Yes, they will.

We've

established that.

So there you go.

You're caught up, folks.

So let us know.

We can do the question.

You can chime in.

And we'll read it.

And you'll be part of the show.

It's always more fun when you guys

take part so we are in the thick of nightlight kicking off our number two here after intermission and Greg Vadney is here and it is great to have you here buddy.

Cool

stuff happening.

It's great to be here.

It's great to be here.

I just learned a lot about the Mayfly.

I feel like hey this was worth my trip.

They've got to be bad.

I've already

learned.

In Manitowoc right?

I mean you got

the

lake.

Yeah and I'll tell you.

I've got, I mean, my kids have all done baseball, T-ball, softball, that kind of thing.

And they're all like, swarming these fields at this time as they start their practices in the first few games.

It's like not even fun,

because then you get rid of those after like a week and then the mosquitoes come in

and it's

like, okay, well, I guess this is what we're doing.

Again, we're not really helping the Manitowoc Tourism Office today.

Well, except that they're everywhere.

I'll tell you, it's beautiful down in Manitowoc.

Here's why.

Please come down and visit.

And if

You do find yourself swarmed with Mayflies.

Go into the West Art Museum.

See, that's why I'm helping,

because we don't have a museum like that in Marinette.

That's right.

We have to go in our house.

We are the most weather-proof tourist destination you

could

have.

You have options, so go to Manitowoc.

It's a controlled environment at the northwest.

So tell us more, Greg, about what you have.

You have this great Georgia O'Keefe event Thursday at 3 p.m.

That's right.

Thursday at 3 p.m.

free event.

We've got P.D.

Young and Art Educator from the Art Institute of Chicago.

coming up to talk about Georgia O'Keeffe, our painting, Burgeon Pantry number two is celebrating its 100th birthday

in

2025.

We are also celebrating our 75th anniversary.

And like I had said before the break, we got a host of different exhibits connected to that.

But we also have an event coming up next month.

Yeah, this sounds cool.

Yeah, Wednesday, the 25th of June.

We figured it's 1950s when we got our start.

Let's do a 1950s theme.

And my curator Diana Bollander was like, Greg, we're doing a sock hop.

Love it.

And I was like, yeah, I have no idea what that is, but it sounds very 1950s.

You know where my two, I realized my two references for 1950s.

Again, this is going to age me.

Happy days.

Happy days.

You know, I was like, yeah,

yeah, that's the 70s version of I

think the 50s.

And then back to the future.

Oh, yeah.

So when she said sock hop, I was like, okay, like the under the sea

under the sea.

Yeah.

When she's like, no,

no, that's not a sock out.

So what is a sock?

I know it's a dance.

But like, yeah, no, I think that they I mean, here's the deal.

We are inviting people to get costumed up.

Get your poodle skirt on.

Nice.

We will have a sock contest.

So there's going to be judges.

uh, judging the sock game that people bring and dances.

Uh, there's going to be some coordinated dancing.

Okay.

Going on.

We've got the Del Ray's playing.

Oh, I like the name of that.

I don't

know.

60s music.

So

I mean, they

are going to be absolutely like Jan and Dean and some early Beach Boys stuff.

I think it will be the right vibe.

I mean, for me,

I would say I'm going to be mixing my idea of what the 50s and the 60s are.

I know

we're having a classic car rally.

So there's going to be classic cars there from the 1950s.

And we're stretching it into the 60s because my gosh, it's like we're thinking early era.

And that's another free event.

You know, it's happening outside the museum, kind of like Sputnik Fest is done out on our East lawn and in front of the museum, we're going to have some food trucks.

We're going to have a hula hoop contest.

Fine.

You know, and

just bring that 50s vibe to the museum.

The museum will be open for tours and people can wander through the museum during the course of that night.

And again, that is the evening of Wednesday, June the 25th.

Um, and we're also, uh, got a great partnership.

So, uh, right down the street from us is, uh, the Wharf, right on the Manitowoc River as

it meets Lake

Michigan.

And, uh, that is a great facility with its own outdoor stage.

And they're hosting that evening, The Letterman.

So The Letterman, another great- The actual Letterman?

Yeah, the band, The Letterman.

Wow.

So, think about it this way.

If you're into that...

1950s, 60s vibe, come to the Raw West, enjoy some great music and some

great fun

at the Raw West and then finish up the night down at the wharf.

And I believe that starts at six o'clock or seven o'clock.

So a few hours after our event, you go down to the wharf and you can enjoy that 50s and 60s vibe all throughout Manitowoc.

So then

that's how we bring it back.

Manitowoc tourism.

Yeah.

I'm not gonna like how old are those guys now?

They're up there.

You know, we've talked with at least one or two of them have some connection with the museum.

Oh, but they're still going strong.

I mean,

they just they won't stop.

Yeah, somebody's calling in to tell you

how old they

are.

Oh, there it is.

It's the letterman.

Yeah, we're young.

Young at heart So that's really fun.

It's gonna be a fun vibe and you know, it's funny because as I said my my reference I didn't grow up in the 50s and 60s.

I'm not bragging about that But my reference points are getting dated

to the

point where like when I brought up happy days to one of my employees She was like what what the heck are you talking?

Yeah, like, you know

Fonzie

She's like, I have no idea what you're referring to.

But you just said during the break that one of your kids is into NAS.

Yeah.

And my kids

like that too.

They're into all these movies that I

watched.

And here's the

thing

too.

I think that's kind of fun.

I was just talking to my daughter who's 18, going to be 19 years old, just getting back from college.

And I was like, what is the seminal movie that you grew up with?

What is your version of Ferris Bueller's Day Off?

And she struggled with it.

And she's like, well, I've seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off and kind of translate.

I said, you need your own

stuff.

No kidding.

But I'll tell you what, she made a good point.

She's like, well, listen, your generation didn't create Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

That was the

generation before you.

So why are you guys asleep at the wheel?

You're supposed to be creating things for my generation to enjoy.

And we're coming up with like high school musical and garbage like that.

Garbage.

But also, they don't watch movies.

Right?

They're

like on

YouTube, and

my daughter is just getting in the movies now.

I think so, but like, it's, my kids are, my kids like my son listens to Nas, and my, I got one of my daughters is like huge into Weird Al.

Weird Al Yankovic.

Weird Al Yankovic.

Yeah, and it's like, guys, you know, there's gotta be people, like I keep on saying to my kids, I want you to listen to things and watch things that I'm horrified

by.

I should be very confused and frightened.

by the things that you want to send you to Catholic school because of what you're listening to.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Right.

You need a nun in your life.

It's hilarious.

Yeah.

And but instead, like I sit down and watch things and I laugh about them and then a joke comes up and I'm like, oh, I'm not supposed to laugh at that.

Neither are you.

Oh, I know.

It's a troubling thing as a parent.

I try to

I try to keep them on the straight and narrow and then they find out about who I am.

Who you were.

They find that they find that that ugly underbelly and

Yeah, it's

gotta be forgiven.

We didn't know any better, right?

Oh my gosh, but it's good.

It's it's fun to see your kids explore that stuff and you're like, oh

I remember what I was doing back then.

That is the voice of Greg Vadney.

He is here in the studio with me, and he is the executive director of the Rar West Museum in Manitowoc.

We got a few more minutes here with Greg.

What else can you tell us?

What else you got coming up, buddy?

Well,

you want to talk about Sputnik Fest?

We can

head up on that.

I do want to mention another great exhibit that we have coming up, because we had some wonderful ones for our 75th anniversary.

And in June, we are bringing in kind of a Manitowoc homegrown artist, Gary John Gressel.

who grew up in Manitowoc, but has created artwork all around the country, is collected by institutions throughout the state.

And he's an assemblage artist, so he takes existing objects and kind of merges them together, infuses them into something new.

And he's gonna be, that opening, I believe, is June 8th.

at the Rar West Art Museum, and it runs until July 20th, the exhibit.

But June 8th is an important one, because he's the type of artist.

You're going to need some kind of explanation, because you come across and you're like, this is just wild.

You need an explanation.

And he's going to be at the museum on the eighth.

He'll be given a talk, and again, free to the public.

Yeah.

I think it's great to get context for stuff like that, because you get

to

look at that kind of stuff and be like, ah, come on, let's just junk.

But he's

very thoughtful about what he's creating.

It's not just he comes across a bunch of junk and then glues it together.

There is a method is there is a huge method and a professional method.

And this guy is heralded around the country for his artwork.

And he's a native son of Manitowak.

So we want to celebrate.

I think this is the first time he's had a solo show at the Rar West Art Museum.

So that that opening is on the eighth and then it continues on until July 20th.

We got a bunch of other things.

You know, our website Rar West.

start museum dot org to find out the upcoming exhibits.

We've got a wonderful Keith Herring exhibit at the end of the year.

New York artists, subway artists that like he was a contemporary of Warhol in New York in a big, big name.

So gonna be fun later on this year, but we'll talk about that.

down the road a little

bit.

Yeah, we'll have you back before then, obviously, but that really cool stuff happening in June.

I love both those events sound

fun.

Fun June like that.

It's great for us because we're going to we're going to draw people from Manitowoc all the time.

But June is when we start to kick off that tourism season.

So we start to see people coming off the SS Badger.

We start to see people traveling from down here.

And then we see people travel into the state from all sorts of other places.

And they're stopping by the Royal

West.

It's great.

Always great when you can have an artist there too, because to me, that's what takes it to another level is when you have them explain where they got their inspiration or what they were thinking or what.

And so I highly recommend both these events and go to the Raw West website and check that out too.

We've got just under two minutes left.

Let's talk Sputnik Fest.

We got one of our textures around the stream said, Pete, I'd be very curious.

This is Craig Knitt, who's been on the show.

I'd be very curious if Greg was familiar with the story of the Sputnik prank that was per-

perpetuated in big falls was constant around the same time the Sputnik piece crashed in Manitowoc the prank was the prank was world news on as well and it drew investigators from Russia as well as NASA

I did not I've not heard that and I Craig please reach out if you want to come to Sputnik fest Saturday September the 6th

it's really fun story

yeah

I didn't know about the Sputnik story until I visited the Rar West

and I

had the same reaction that many people have given me, which is like, no, that didn't happen.

I would have heard about it.

But it did.

It's an amazing story where this spacecraft, Soviet spacecraft crashed right into Manitowoc, downtown Manitowoc,

and the largest

piece right in front of the museum.

By the way, recent news.

Yeah.

Another Soviet spacecraft just crashed off the coast of Indonesia like a few days ago.

Is that true?

That's true.

That's true.

That one's been up for like 45 years.

You're gonna have competition.

Well,

luckily, that's the thing.

It landed in the water, so we should be OK.

Hey, maybe we can take a cruise.

Let's do a cruise to the Southeast Asia.

I love it.

Greg Badney, come back anytime, buddy.

Always fun.

And good luck with these events, the sock hop and the multiple artists visiting.

I think it sounds fantastic.

Check out the RAR West Museum website and get more information.

And we will talk soon, buddy.

Thanks

for having me on again.

Always

great.

All right.

That's Greg Badney.

We're coming right back to talk about.

Conrad, what are we going to talk about from your childhood?

The circus world.

It's going to

be awesome.

Jennifer Crock is coming up next.

This is Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio

Network.

Welcome back.

Oh, fun night here at Nightlight.

It's our Nightlight at the Museum episode.

All museum talk tonight.

Just worked out that way.

I mean, we planned it.

Local Emmy.

That's all I'm thinking.

Conrad Regional Emmy.

That's what this show screams.

Nightlight at the museum.

I think we got a chance.

Submit us.

I think it's going to happen.

I don't even know if those exist.

All right, folks, this is exciting.

When I was in the 90s doing stand-up comedy, I would go up to Milwaukee and one of my favorite clubs, the Comedy Cafe, was there.

And there were several comedians that had gone through...

Baraboo, and they learned how to be clowns, and they were the Ronald McDonald and the big boy.

But I've never been there, so I'm very excited to welcome my next guest.

Her name is Jennifer Crock, and she is the curator of the Circus World Museum in Baraboo, and she joins us on the stream right now.

Hi, Jennifer.

Hi.

How are you tonight?

I'm doing well.

How are you doing

doing very well?

You ready to talk some clowns and some circus and all things?

All right, I have to tell you I am a I Attended Clown College and dropped out after two years because I couldn't make the grades does that?

Sounds about right

don't want to be on the show So all right introduce yourself a little bit tell us about you where how did you end up in Baraboo at this really cool?

I would assume you love this gig

It's pretty fantastic.

Yeah, I do not have

any circus background, which is terrible, I know.

But I was working at a history museum out in Colorado.

I had gone to grad school out there.

And my husband and I were looking at moving back to the Midwest where we are from.

And this is the first job I saw when I googled jobs in Minnesota and Wisconsin.

And I thought, I don't know anything about circus, but it seems really interesting.

I think I could do it.

And I got the job and it's fantastic.

You know, the thing that I was interested in me is the stories of people.

I have an anthropology background.

I love that kind of thing.

And the circus gives you every kind of story you could ever want or could imagine.

It's really, really fun.

Every day is something new.

And I get to learn all of this really crazy stuff.

That's so great.

So all right, so for those of us who have not been, I've never even been to Baraboo.

You need to get down here.

It's great.

Well, I hear it's beautiful, first of all.

It's supposed to be really fantastic.

But tell us a little bit about Circus World.

Okay.

If people do visit and we'll get to the upcoming events, but in general, what can they expect there?

Well, so Circus World is one of the historic sites owned by the state of Wisconsin.

We're part of the Wisconsin Historical Society, so their sites all over the state were one of those.

But what makes us really unique is we are based.

Our museum is located in the original winter quarters of the Ringling Brothers Circus.

So Ringling Brothers started their circus out of Baraboo in the 1880s.

That's a question we get all the time from people.

Why is there a circus museum in Baraboo?

That was

one of my questions, yeah.

Exactly.

City of 12,000, why is there a circus museum?

And it's because

these brothers were living here in Beirut when they got it in their heads that they wanted to start a circus.

Some of them had done some performing previously.

Al Ringling was known for balancing a plow on his chin, as people do, right?

For sure.

They were musicians, they were comedians, but they started a circus.

And beginning in 1886, they decided

Well, we need a place to come back and, you know, work on our show every year, because circuses would go out in the spring.

They would travel all summer long into the fall.

And then come wintertime, they would go back to a home base to, you know, paint the wagons and work on what the show was going to be the next year and stuff like that.

And so the Ringlings did that in Baraboo.

along the Baraboo River.

And they were here until 1918.

They built dozens of buildings during that time.

So they would come back here and this is where they housed their elephants and their horses and all the other animals.

All of those things were based in Baraboo in the 1890s, early 1900s.

People could look out their window and see the elephants taking a walk down the street because that's what they did.

So for

Okay, so that was their winter headquarters, too They would come back and they would practice in these buildings And they would keep stay sharp and all that kind of stuff But why do you think they stayed there in the winter like you know how cold Wisconsin gets you they could have gone Southwest Southeast and had warmer weather But it's it's kind of cool that they still did that here in Wisconsin

Right.

And, you know, they were hardy Midwestern boys.

They had lived throughout Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa as children.

Their father was a harness maker who moved around as, you know, he could find the work.

And the good thing about the Midwest is that it was a good jumping off point for the circus season because, you know, you could go east, you could go west, you could go south.

And really, Wisconsin is pretty rare in that over 120 circuses came out of Wisconsin in its history, which is kind of insane to think about.

It's

so

great.

There were circuses all over the states, you know, from the south up to the northeast west.

Um, Baraboo didn't just have the Ringling Brothers Circus.

They also had the Golmar Brothers Circus, who were actually first cousins to the Ringlings.

Um, but it was a bunch of brothers who had their own show that also traveled all over the country.

And so Baraboo was just a good place to call home.

They had abundant feed for all their animals, because obviously we have the agriculture here.

And in the wintertime, you have all of these farmers who aren't

working quite as much as they are during the growing season.

And so they would be able to come in and help care for the animals and do things like that when they were back here in Baribu.

So it was a huge employer of the local citizens who lived in Baribu at the time.

That is the voice of Jennifer Cronk.

She is here discussing, she's the curator of Circus World at the Circus History Museum, one of 11

sites in the Wisconsin Historical Society and a shout out to our friend Rebecca Werner who set up this interview with you Jennifer.

We're gonna do the news quick and then we'll come back and she's got a lot to tell us about what's going on there so don't go away folks.

It's Peach Wabba and Nightlight.

This is Night Light with Pete Schwab.

Great to have you with me on this Tuesday night, a beautiful Tuesday night in the state of Wisconsin.

We are broadcasting live throughout the state from beautiful downtown Green Bay.

Tomorrow night on the show, Milwaukee Journal's Sentinel Entertainment writer Chris Foren will be here to talk movies and TV and then award-winning civic media meteorologist Brittany Merleau will join us at 735.

So another fun night, tomorrow night.

Right now we have some more time with our current guest, Jennifer Cronk.

She is the curator of, she is the Circus World Curator of Circus History.

Am I saying that right, Jennifer?

It's a mouthful, right?

It's the circus.

It's the double circus that's messing

me up, right?

We're just

going.

It's huge.

It's important.

You're a curator, and you're very important, and you know a lot about the circus.

That's where we'll start from there.

So we've got...

You know, I have, first of all, we have a question on the stream I want to ask you.

Craig Kennett says, Pete, a question for your guest, Jennifer, do they still have the animation armature for Mighty Joe Young on display at the Circus Museum?

I've always wanted to see that.

Does that sound familiar?

It does not.

No.

Okay.

That must have been a exhibit from years and years ago because Mighty Joe Young came out years ago.

So, well, there you go, Craig.

I asked, but thank you for listening and thank you for your question.

So, Jennifer, where should we start here?

We've got some time.

I want to help you get the word out about some fun events you have coming up.

I also have my own questions, but, you know, your dime, your dance floor.

So what do you want to talk about next?

Well, we can talk a little bit about how the museum came to be.

You know, we started on that, but, you know, the Ringlings left Baraboo here in 1918.

At that time, they combined their show with the Barnum and Bailey Circus to become the Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Circus, which is the long title that a lot of people are familiar with.

And Barnum and Bailey's winter quarters were out in Connecticut, so the Ringlings decided to move out there.

So they were out there for about 10 years before they moved to Florida, you know, that goes to your question about nicer weather in the winter, right?

So that's what they did too.

But as a result, there were all of these barns here in Baraboo that were left empty.

And so they were rented out to local businesses.

They were used by, you know, there was a junkyard, there was a

chick hatchery with little baby chicks in it.

There was

lots of things going on in these buildings.

They were used by businesses.

But by the 50s, there was a gentleman named John M. Kelly, and he had been the attorney to the Ringling Brothers for many years.

He was from Portage, so he was, you know, a local boy.

But he was telling anyone who would listen that there needed to be a circus museum and it had to be in Baraboo.

And so he

garnered support from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin for one.

And we were able to open this museum July 1, 1959.

And when we opened, we had two of the historic

barns as part of the museum.

And so visitors could come and see six wagons at that time.

Now we have something like 250, so a couple more

wagons.

I saw that.

That is crazy.

These are actual wagons, and they're restored, I assume?

Yeah, we have about 250.

Some are offsite and have not been restored, but we have

120, 30 or so around the grounds that people can see.

And so these are both, you know, there's parade wagons, parade circus parades would happen to get people excited to come see the circus.

And so those are the very ornamented ones, lots of carvings.

And so we have a number of those, but there's also wagons that were more utilitarian because obviously they had to carry all their stuff, right?

They were traveling from place to place with all of their equipment and things like that.

And so the baggage wagons are sometimes not quite as exciting, but we have

All of these to see, most of them are concentrated in one particular building, which has about 90 of them in there.

But you'll find them sprinkled in buildings throughout the grounds.

But we started with six whole wagons when we opened in 1959.

But we had performance starting then as well.

People could come see a circus.

And from there, we just grew as

Some of these additional winter quarters buildings were becoming available to owners were selling them.

We were purchasing them.

So now we have a number of these historic buildings and they're actually national historic landmarks as well.

And so we have seven of those here.

There's a couple more in private hands right outside our grounds, but people can see what it was like for the Ringlings when they were running their show.

And we have grants going on for restoration work.

on some of these buildings.

We're almost done with the office building.

We received a grant from the National Park Service, Save America's Treasures grants, and so that work has been going on for the last couple of years.

We'll be starting the work on one of the animal houses, 1901 Animal House.

Something really cool about that one, which we didn't even know anything about, as they were doing some investigation in preparation for this grant, they realized that below the

grounds, but below the floor, there were bear dens.

So

that's where

they, you know, the bears would go to hibernate for the winter when they were back in Baraboo.

These are the things that were.

Yeah,

I love all

these regular folks.

My guest is Jennifer Crock.

She is the circus world curator of circus history in Baraboo.

One of the things I thought was interesting.

Well, there's a lot of stuff and Rebecca gave us all this information, which I think is great, but the your visitor center alone has hundreds of artifacts celebrating circus arts from all over the span of years special selections include the circus posters and drawings including a rare any Oakley poster along with a complete set of sketches circus costume Cinderella's carriage and her glass slipper

Glass, slipper, and even items from 1952 Cecil B. DeMille movie, greatest show on earth.

That's all just in the visitor's center.

So how long do people need?

Let's say a family of five or four or whatever want to go to the circus world.

How much time should they spend there?

Because you've also got the restoration center.

You've got the summer season's big top.

What goes on there in the big top?

That sounds really cool.

Yeah, so we have a live circus performance that happens twice a day morning and afternoon It's the same show.

So you only have to go once but you can go twice if you really like

it

sure And in that show, you know our acts change every year what we have so this year, you know, it's all led by our Rainmaster Robert trader, but we have Hula hoop act.

We have unicycle.

We have clowns.

We have an aerial act we have

for the first time there's going to be a motorcycle incline act in the tent itself.

We have horses, we have a Russian swing.

Outside in the afternoon you can see a flying trapeze.

So there's juggling, there's all of these different circus

acts that you

can experience live.

And really if you're visiting you can spend easily the entire day there.

You can start your morning going to our guided wagon tour so you can learn more about the history of these amazing wagons that we have.

And then you can head over to the Big Top show at 11.

After that, you can grab a bite to eat.

We have our cookhouse grill so people can get food as well.

There's Kids World Circus where kids can be part of a circus in the afternoon.

We have the flying trapeze and then all of the

work buildings that have exhibits in as well.

You can plan to spend the entire day there.

There's enough to see to keep you occupied the whole time.

It's so great.

And it's just such great work.

The Wisconsin Historical Society does to give us these great places to visit.

And there's 11 of them.

And just on your grounds alone, it sounds like you have seven more historic landmarks, which is pretty cool.

What's the iron jaw exhibit?

That sounds like a fun live.

And maybe you touched on that a little bit, but can you go into a little more detail?

That's

not so that is a new example.

that I worked on this year.

So I do a lot of the exhibit development here as well.

And Iron Jaw is one of those acts that when I first learned about it as a circus novice, not knowing anything, I was like, what?

It's real because it is performers hanging by their teeth.

It's insane.

And

people can say that.

People can see that if they go to Circus World, you guys have that.

Well, we do not have an iron jaw, a live iron jaw act.

Oh, exhibit.

An exhibit that shows photographs of people doing it.

We have these mouthpieces.

And so our oldest mouthpiece dates to 1910.

It is honestly just a piece of stacked leather on a hook.

and that's about it someone bit into it and hung from a trapping bar or whatever and so iron jaw artists would often um you know some of them

would hang from a trapeze bar, but there'd be a swivel so you can spin around.

Some would do what was called a slide for life.

So you'd start high up at the peak of the big top and slide down a rope or a wire.

There's

a

video online, which is amazing of an iron job performer named Tiny Klein.

She actually went on to become the first Tinkerbell at Disneyland

in

the 60s, at age 70, mind you, which is pretty amazing.

But there's a YouTube video of her doing a slide for life over Broadway in New York City.

So you can see this, just her going across and there being crowds below and all these skyscrapers.

And it's one of those acts that's just as mind boggling because who decided they should try this and then succeeded at it and kept it going.

going on since the 19th century and it's still happening today.

I went to a circus last month and I saw two different iron job performers and so it's it's pretty amazing.

Daniel texts in he's in the 920 Jennifer and he says can Jennifer comment on the tent of mannequins representing famous sideshow freaks?

Is that still there?

We do have the sideshow acts represented and these fiberglass figures actually date back to the 60s We first had them displayed on the grounds here.

They've been you know repainted and taken care of since then and more recently too We're trying to contextualize that a little bit because obviously that word freak is thrown around

I was gonna ask you about that.

Yeah

Yeah, and not necessarily and that's what they were called historically

times but you know there are people with both you know physical differences um but also

You know, you have the snake charmers and the tattooed ladies and things like that as well.

And so we have some information talking about some of the real people that did those acts as well on the ground.

So the sideshow tent is still there, yes.

That's really fascinating.

You have some upcoming events at Circus World, including Military Service Day, which is May 24th, free to military members, which is.

a nice perk.

Circus World Anniversary Days, June 27th through the 30th, $6 admission to celebrate the 66th anniversary of Circus World.

Those sound like fun.

You can't get a better deal

than that.

No.

Well, can you do for $6?

I mean, it's almost worth joining the military just to get in free on that day, I think, right?

Another thing though, you know, you mentioned we're one of 11 historic sites.

You can buy a membership to the Wisconsin Historical Society

and get

in free to all of the sites as many times as you want in the year.

And so that's a really good deal.

You have family, you know, a bunch of kids, you can bring them to Circus World, you can take them over to Old World and then Wade House and then Villa Louise.

move all over the state and see these amazing historic sites.

All right we'll have a couple more minutes with Jennifer after a very short break here and then we will let her get on with her evening and we will finish up reading your texts and that will be a wrap folks but don't go anywhere we're coming right back this is Night Light with Pete Schwabba on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome back.

This is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.

We are in the final throws of tonight's broadcast.

Our question of the night was, if you only could pick one style of music to listen to for the rest of your life, what would it be?

And the answers have been all over the place.

PJ on the stream says, alternative rock music.

Thank you, PJ.

We'll read the rest of your texts coming up momentarily.

We have a couple minutes left with our new friend, Jennifer Cronk, who is the Circus World Curator of Circus History in Baraboo.

It is definitely worth a visit.

You can find more information on their website, circusworldbaraboo.org.

And it is free admission, as Jennifer mentioned, to Wisconsin Historical Society members, which is a really nice perk.

Jennifer, you said you were elsewhere before you came here at a different museum.

How connected do you get when you have a job like this to the place you're at?

Do you have this affinity now for the circus and would it be hard to leave and that kind of stuff?

Or is there a museum in particular you'd love to go to that suits your interests better?

As passionate as you may be about your work now.

Is it a place that would be hard to leave?

Definitely.

Also, the Baraboo community is so supportive of the circus because it's been a part of the city's history for so many years.

And while I never could have imagined that I would be devoting my life to circus history, I

saw one

circus as a child.

I grew up in the cornfields of Minnesota and there wasn't much going on, but I love it.

Every day,

I learned something new, something wild, things are coming out of my mouth that I never imagined would because it's so, you know, questions that I'm asking honestly would sound bizarre to anyone who didn't know that I worked at a circus museum.

And it's fun to talk about and, you know, the collection that I am responsible for, caring for,

is so dynamic and amazing.

You know, we have this wardrobe collection that's outstanding.

You know,

Ringmaster

Coffins dating back to 1860.

And feathers and sequins and all the amazing things.

So it would be really, really tough to leave and find something that is this interesting and exciting on a daily basis.

We have about 30 seconds left.

Is the circus more popular than it used to be?

or less popular?

It's less popular because for so many years it was the dominant form of entertainment in the country.

People didn't have other options, right?

The

circus would come to town and whole cities would shut down and like there wouldn't be school, the stores would be closed because everybody would go to the circus.

And so now people can go on YouTube and see anything they want to see but there's still nothing

that compares to seeing a live performance of the circus arts and seeing all of that right in front of you is so amazing.

So it's changed a lot, evolved over the years, but it's still there and it's still worth seeing.

And check out the next best thing.

If you can't get to the actual circus, head down to Circus World in Baraboo.

Jennifer Cronk, thank you so much for taking the time out tonight and have a great season.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate

it.

You're welcome.

All right.

That's Jennifer Cronk.

Conrad, we got a road trip.

We always talk about road tripping.

Al Ringling Theater is supposed to be the main.

Remember we had Charo on the show last year?

That's where she was performing.

You know,

Pete,

with all

these driving stories, I don't

think I want to be in a car with you.

Hey, dude, it's not me.

I am a responsible, seat-wearing, good citizen.

We got some text to get through here before we close things down.

Our question of the night was, if you could only listen to one kind of music the rest of your life, what would it be?

Rhonda from Madison says, I would say Motown.

You have the bubblegum pop of the Beach Boys and harmonies and multiple voices, but they also have slow and fast tunes and the songs also have blues and rock.

So I think that would be a good compromise over a long period of time.

That's a great answer Rhonda.

AJ again says, apologize for thinking Conrad's first initial was C when it's actually K. Very forgivable AJ.

Anna from Madison says, hi, Pete and Conrad.

I can listen to classic rock forever.

I hope so, because you only get one choice, Anna.

Great one, though.

Tom from New Berlin says, love ooze.

I think he means blues.

I think Tom does voice.

Maybe that's a band.

Unless that's a music I haven't heard of yet.

Oh, where are we going here?

Brian from Green Bay says, yo.

Yodeling music.

That's gonna haunt you.

I feel like more than

you're gonna kill yourself.

Yeah, it's just yodeling too.

It's not yodeling music, Brian.

I think it would be a chore to put on

what you

were going for, but I think it's just yodeling.

Tyler from Wisconsin Rapids.

He's in the 608.

He says Gregorian chant because we are all doomed.

Okay, or yeah, can he sacks to keep me one step ahead of the grim reaper?

That might be the text of the night.

That's beautiful.

Steady Eddie in the 608 says if I could only listen to one style of music I would listen to the folk rock of the 1960s.

Artists like James Taylor, Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan.

Though I'm always looking for new old music that I may have missed.

Recently I discovered on YouTube the song Misty sung by an aging gracefully Johnny Mathis.

Johnny Mathis, yes, love him.

I added that.

Johnny first made it a hit in 1959.

At age 89, he is still performing and singing Misty beautifully.

It's a great song.

Steadfast, look at me.

I'm as helpless as a kitten in a tree.

Edward, did you get what I did there?

He gave himself like a moniker in between his first and last names.

I didn't know if that came across.

And then finally, from the 818, Bridget says, jazz, something easy and relaxing.

Wonderful text tonight everybody.

Oh also Monica Hale on social media said punk rock.

She says she could listen to the clash forever Again, that's a long time, but I love all of these answers.

Thank you to Jennifer Cronk Thank you for Greg to Greg that me for driving up from Manitowoc check out the Rarwest Museum website and check out circus world so much going on at both of these museums.

They are true treasures

here in Wisconsin.

And thank you to all of you for your texts and listening.

A lot of texts tonight and a lot of fun with that question.

So we'll be back tomorrow night to do it all again.

That's what we do Conrad.

That's what we do every weeknight.

Six to eight.

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We always love getting likes and follows because that's what you're supposed to do.

And thank you all for listening.

We'll be back tomorrow night again on behalf of the lovable producer Conrad.

Good night, Wisconsin.

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