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Destination Dreams & Blockbusters (Hour 2)
Nite Lite with Pete Schwaba and Greg Bach · Wed May 7, 2025
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Peach Waba.
Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now a guy who prefers to travel by catapult, Peach Waba.
Welcome, welcome, welcome folks.
This is Nightlight with Pete Schwabba on a Wednesday night here in the beautiful state of Wisconsin.
We are talking about all things entertainment tonight, movies, TV, fun Wisconsin stuff, and lots of other funny stuff too.
Some observations I made today that I'll share with you, but it is fun to be on the radio.
We are going to have many opportunities for you guys to join the show tonight, as you always do, either by way of what I like to call the telephone or text message.
Always fun when you guys participate.
Got a great question.
Got two great guests.
And the Kid Conrad Krieger riding shotgun.
Hey, buddy.
Hey, how's it going tonight?
Good.
How are you?
I'm doing fantastic.
I've noticed we're not like those, you know, a lot of times like hosts don't interact with their guests or the producer.
or a sidekick or something like that.
But I've found that, you know, I don't know how you could do it.
Like that would be like me coming in and not talking to it all until we went on the air.
And we saved everything for on the air.
Yeah, that'd be weird.
Well, yeah, you come in, you don't even say, I just walk past me and just, right, I feel like you're blowing me
off.
I don't want to hurt your feelings, man.
That's why I'm
not here.
It's not what
I'm about.
So all right, good.
Have you been golfing yet this year?
We've got three nice days in a row now.
Actually, the funny thing is I did go golfing this morning.
Really?
I did.
How'd
that go?
Yeah.
Just there?
It
went all right.
OK.
It was nice to just go out there and be like, I am outside enjoying the weather for once in a long time, it feels like.
Do you actually like the sport, or is it more about camaraderie and hanging out?
Well, I golf by myself.
But you like your own company, so that
could still
apply.
Well, sometimes those thoughts, you know, I'm just kidding.
One of those guys
doesn't like to be alone with his thoughts.
I get it.
Yeah, that's why I live alone.
No, I love the sport.
It's, you know, I've been, I started taking it seriously, like, you know, three years ago when I moved up here to Appleton, and it gave something for my brother and I to bond over, I feel like.
Were
you having bond issues before that?
Did you guys always get along or is this kind of like what put you over the top?
I feel like it put us over the top, you know, that's nice So, um, yeah, it's a lot of fun to learn something new, you know, you're not gonna be good at it,
right?
I mean even three years and I still suck
What like what a suck what what's a bad score?
What's a good score for you?
And what's a bad score for you?
So I'll say a bad score is probably you know
if golfing on 18, so that would, I'd probably say, you know, a 115 to 120 is not good for me.
You golf 18 holes?
Usually.
In a row?
Usually.
Wow.
I don't
realize you were that much of an athlete.
In a row?
I'm half kidding.
Well, that's cool.
120,
I mean, you're just starting out, right?
Well, that's a bad score for
me.
Okay.
That's a good score.
I did break 100 last year, which was amazing for me.
And just, you know, doing it in about two years.
Yeah, which I think it's pretty good, but I haven't Got back to that yet in a while.
You know, I was about to break a hundred last summer and Then I hit that windmill hole and it's just all bets are off and I want to throw my clubs Clubs plural even though it's
every time I'm mini-golfing.
I just think of that scene at happy Gilmore What's he's putting at the clown you're gonna die clown
I might have to break down and give that a rewatch.
It's been so long since I've seen that or like happy Madison or whatever it is.
But
you know what?
Why don't you when happy go more come two comes out in July?
You know,
first one,
watch the first one before it and then go right in.
I don't want to be lost.
I wouldn't be.
I
don't think you get that much lost.
That's not a bad idea, though.
All right, we are in full swing here.
Nightlight is underway, folks.
Happy Wednesday.
Great to have you.
My guest tonight, I'm excited, Piet Livi.
is a guy who I've respected for a long time.
He is just an excellent writer.
He writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and he reports on music and writes about the music scene in Milwaukee and in the state of Wisconsin.
And he's just a really solid dude and a phenomenal writer.
So he is here tonight at 6.35.
It's been way too long since Piat has been on the show.
And then Rob Thomas, our pal.
We talked to Rob a little earlier.
We will play that interview at 7.20, and Rob helps us close down the show.
So if you have texts, try to get them in.
in the first hour or early in the second hour, and we can get to them.
Because as I said, it's so much fun to read your thoughts on the radio, folks.
You can chime in, as you know, with anything we're talking about, but we do have what we call our question of the night.
Let's talk
about the question.
Okay, question.
Question.
Question.
Pregunta.
Question.
Question.
Okay, I have a question.
Questions.
This question.
Domanda.
Question.
Question.
It's National Travel Day.
Where do you want to go?
Very simple.
Simple question tonight.
And here's what we're going to do.
I'm sorry, it's not travel.
It's National Tourism Day.
We should have had Logan Rogan today.
Oh, yes.
He's a travel guy.
But that's tonight's question, folks.
Where do you want to go?
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to break this down three ways.
I'm going to go in the state of Wisconsin, in America, and then in the world.
I would love starting globally first.
I would love to go to New Zealand.
I really want to go to New Zealand.
I want to go there and not ever wear clothes again and romp on the beach.
You're just going straight to
the nude
beaches.
Well, that's what I want to do in Wisconsin too, but it's frowned upon.
No, I would love to go to New Zealand.
I've heard it's beautiful.
I have friends that have moved there.
I also have a friend who moved to the Canary Islands.
And that's supposed to be gorgeous.
So maybe I'll go visit him there first.
But yeah, New Zealand globally.
In America?
Oh, man.
I think I will say, I'll just say for fun sake, New York City.
I haven't been there in a long time.
So I'll go New Zealand, New York, and then in Wisconsin, it's my go-to.
I just absolutely love Door County.
So those are my three places I want to visit on National Tourism Day.
You don't have to answer all three.
You can just say wherever you want to go, whether it's in the world, America, Wisconsin, or you can answer all three.
There are no right or wrong answers.
There are only your answers, folks.
So let us know, and we will read your responses on the radio.
Conrad, where are you going?
Well, so I'm going to a bachelor party in Wisconsin Dells.
OK.
So there's a Wisconsin one.
There you go.
Looking forward to that.
Dells are beautiful.
Golfing, swimming.
Sure some beverages on the side.
I see some cannonballs in your future
Yeah USA, you know, I I have never been to New York City So I think that would be cool, but I'll change it just because you had that one too.
All right
I would love to go to Charleston, South Carolina.
Oh, that's gorgeous, too
I've always wanted to go there.
That's actually where I see myself moving maybe in the future.
Really?
Yeah
But I'm learning something about you.
Now, why is that?
Just because it's on the ocean, the warmer climate or you like the south or what?
I feel like you still can get four seasons there, but not, you know, not as bad as here, but you can still feel a little winter there.
OK.
But the summers are I heard are great there.
So and then outside of USA, you know, I've already been
to Italy.
So you got that.
Yeah, you got that off your list.
Seriously.
I mean, I went to Australia when I was younger, but I think I'd want to go back.
But this time, on the other side of the islands, to Sydney.
Oh, you were on the Melbourne side?
I was by Perth.
Oh, wow.
What got you over there?
Just a family?
Well, you're
like taking the Griswold thing to the extreme.
You know, it kind of felt like a Griswold family vacation when we were there.
We'll get into the details of that please do Know my you know, just yeah, it was a family family trip with my aunt my cousin my mom.
Well,
that's fun.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Oh This is funny one of the textures we'll get to these texts, but he brought up the real ID which I have to admit I Have not done that and I'm supposed to maybe go to LA soon, and I don't even think I could get on a plane I gotta get a new ID right
is that's the
You have to have the little star on it, right?
I thought I had that
because I just flew a couple of years ago or not even.
I think that's just the stars, what you need.
And I'm pretty sure I have that.
I have
the star.
I think that's what
you
need.
I don't know.
They might have just updated it since Trump took the oval.
But I'll have to look into that.
But we'll read your text in just a moment, folks.
Where are you going?
You got the whole world to choose from.
I say New Zealand, New York City, just because I haven't been there in a while.
I went there to do a TV show, which is cool.
I was on Caroline's Comedy Hour back in the 90s when all those stand-up shows were on.
And that was my first time in New York.
And then I went there to do a pilot and a couple other times for work stuff.
But such a great city, great energy, great vibe.
I know it's not everybody's cup of tea.
I don't know if I'd want to live there.
I think I could if I had a ton of money.
But I would definitely want to go back.
So I say New Zealand, New York City, and Dork County right here in NEWI, baby.
And Conrad says the Dells, Australia, and Charleston.
Yeah.
His possible future home.
Yeah.
You got to go there and set up a civic media subsidiary.
There we go.
And I have an excuse to go there.
I didn't stand up in Myrtle Beach back when I was a comedian.
And that was kind of close to there, but a different vibe.
It's very touristy.
Not that Charleston isn't, but the water was warm.
I like that Atlantic Ocean.
So, let us know.
855-752-4842-8555-75Civic.
Text us on the app or on the stream if you're watching on YouTube, Facebook or X or the WGBW website or WISS.
And let us know where you go, folks.
It is National Tourism Day.
We got a call?
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And we are building.
You guys are great about that.
But if you're on any of these sites and want to give us a like or a follow that is always much appreciated, or if you want to tell your friends, if you want to stand on the corner with a sandwich board, that's fine too.
Saying, watch Nightlight with Beach Wamba.
They want to know what you're talking about, but maybe we'll get a few extra viewers or listeners.
All right, we do have a call.
Who's on the phone?
Ollie from the Northwoods.
Oh, Ollie, how are you tonight?
Well, I'm good.
I'll give you a like and a follow except I only have the radio to go by so
Wow old school.
I love
it.
Definitely old school my phone went and I'm Hanging on waiting for a new one.
Okay My place is to go you might have already took some of them door County would be my Wisconsin one
love
it Virginia Beach or any place with an ocean would be in another
Great.
And then Ireland would be my... You're an international... United States, my world
one.
Are you Irish,
Ollie?
Well, my dad always told me we were, but my kids have since taken some of those blood tests and say, no, we are not.
In my heart, I am definitely Irish.
Okay.
Me too.
I'm more Irish than not.
I'm more than half Irish.
And I love it.
And I love the Irish people.
But yeah, I probably should want to go there too.
That's not at the top of my list.
But I would definitely go there.
Ali, let's
do this.
Oh, it's awesome.
I was there before.
And when the plane landed, I started crying.
And I just had this feeling in my chest like I'm home.
So I think maybe if my dad wasn't Irish,
Yeah, at least in my other life, I must have been
Irish.
It sounds like you got some Irish blood in there somewhere, and even if you don't, that's, uh, you can go there anyway.
So that's great.
Thank
you.
Allie, thanks for the
call.
Have a great night.
You too.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.
Allie's listening on the radio.
I love that.
The old-fashioned way.
The old-fashioned way.
Like it's meant to be.
She's literally, like, sitting at home listening to the radio.
I think that's so cool.
So thank you, uh...
That's even a little more special because it's easy to listen to the radio when you're in your car or whatever, but sitting homeless into the radio.
I absolutely love that.
Thank you for the call, Ollie.
We'll read your texts when we come back.
Piat Levy's here tonight.
Rob Tom is so much fun talking about all the things we love to talk about here on Nightlight tonight.
We're coming right back.
It's Peach Waba.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
This is a Wednesday edition of Nightlight.
This week, folks, the Wednesday edition is the best edition so far.
So you're here on a great night.
We never know when it's going to be week to week, but it's great to have you here.
We always like to catch up on text, too, because sometimes we get them from the night before and don't get to them.
So Bud from Janesville, who is listening overnight, he drives around from four to six, I assume, around Janesville.
He says, hey, Pete and Conrad.
I have a question last night, by the way, it was, what is your favorite cool summer drink?
So Bud says, hey, Pete and Conrad, I have faves in three categories of alcoholic, citrus, citrusy IPA, non-alcoholic peach mango iced tea, that sounds good, and health metamucil on ice.
Sounds great.
I only know that's a joke.
I really don't even know what metamucil.
I think it's just like a fiber drink.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that will make you run to the bathroom.
I feel
like okay, so you don't want to order it in a bar I
don't think
or during a round of speed dating None of those but says yes, I am a man of certain age by the way I am a retired middle school science teacher I could tell you some stories about labs that went sideways Please feel free to share those bud bud says love your show bud from Jamesville.
Thanks bud.
Great text as always
We got some other entries I didn't see yesterday.
JB, the guy behind the guy, you remember JB, RPEL JB.
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
The guy behind the guy, behind the guy.
JB's awesome.
He says, sun drop.
Have you ever had a real sugar sun drop ice cold?
They're so good.
They are dynamite.
They're like, they make Mountain Dew look like an idiot brother.
Like it's that good.
As citrus sodas go.
There was like, you got Mellow Yellow, Mountain Dew, Sundrop.
Sundrop to me is the granddaddy.
And especially if you use like that cane sugar and it's ice cold.
That is actually, that's a great text.
Thank you, JB.
Have you ever had the, have you heard of the brewery, the stubborn brothers?
No.
They're out of a chano.
Oh.
They make a drop top sour radler, which is basically a beer that tastes exactly like Sundrop.
What?
It is dynamite.
What's it called?
Drop top sour.
So it's it's stubborn brothers is the company right the brewery and yeah, it's it's a drop top sour radler and they also have a cherry one and last year when I was that's This beer and bacon fest.
Oh,
yeah They
had a tent there and I got to try some of them there.
Just fantastic.
That sounds fantastic.
I love it
And also Cliff, who was here on the show last night, you know I was very ashamed of myself, because Cliff is a nature guy.
He is on the board of the Friends of Wisconsin State Parks, and he's talking about nature trails, and I didn't even make a joke that his name is Cliff.
Like, he has to like all that stuff.
That would have been a
promo, come on.
I know, I blew
it.
Getting soft in my old age.
Cliff says, was it cherry ginger beer?
Yep, yep.
Yeah, that's a good one.
All right, and then, so.
I have to get this off my chest.
I was cleaning out my car today, and I found this, if you're watching on the stream, you can see it.
It's Taco Bell Rewards.
I understand getting reward points for flights or hotels, but every time I go stuff my fat face with Taco Bell, they reward me for it.
There's something so immoral about that.
You can get a free taco.
Is that what it is?
I'm pretty sure you can get one of those free Doritos tacos if you build enough
points.
Join and earn free food or something from Taco Bell, I assume.
That's hilarious.
Come on in, tubbies.
Eat our food.
We'll give you a trophy if you eat our food.
That's awful.
Yeah, they go there.
Alright, so we've got some text to get to here.
Our question tonight is where are you going?
It is National Tourism Day, ladies and gentlemen.
So tell us where you would like to go.
I said, internationally, I'd like to go to New Zealand, statewide, or state, yeah, statewide, I'd like to go to Dork County, and then I think I'd like to go back to New York.
I haven't been to New York City in quite a while.
Conrad said, Australia.
Yep.
The Dells and Charleston, South Carolina.
Tom from New Berlin.
Oh, he's talking about your golf game counter.
He says, golf takes time.
I finally broke 90 last year.
Remember, the score is just a suggestion.
That
is true.
Congrats on breaking nine.
Yeah,
you could do the Rodney danger or the judge smales and just kind of kick your ball.
Give yourself a better shot.
Exactly.
Listening on WAUK and the 612.
That's not the 612.
Matt is from the 612.
He says anywhere with my real ID.
Okay, there's the real ID.
I gotta look into that, because I got a trip coming up.
I have to spend some time at the DMV.
608, Anna from Madison says, hi Pete and Conrad, I have two places where I want to go, Key West and New England in the fall.
Key West is awesome.
Both can't miss this.
Yeah, Conrad knows all about Key West, his folks.
They chilled there for a while, but they're not there anymore.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no,
Not as sexy as Key West, but a fine burg.
A fine place
in Florida.
A fine place to live.
Absolutely.
Probably a lot cheaper, too.
Brian, listening on WGBW, he's in the 920.
He says, my answer is the same for all three.
Leona, Wisconsin, to see the world's largest soup kettle.
There you go.
I don't care what else is going on in the world.
I want to check out this soup kettle.
Thank you for your honesty, Brian.
Steve from Florida Conrad's dad says, Ireland, Alaska cruise.
And I agree, Dorr County, but take the ferry to Washington Island.
You know, I've never done that as many times as I've been to Dorr County.
I've never been to Washington Island.
I had a friend when we went last time, he's like, guys, we need to take the ferry.
We need to go to Washington Island.
And we all are like, no, let's just let's just let's just stay drinking
here.
Yeah, we're just going to do the same thing on Washington Islands.
We're doing here.
Yeah.
Mike chimed in on social media.
He says moose jaw.
in Saskatchewan, Canada.
And I just looked up flights, 700 bucks to Moose Jaw.
You know, no one is going to Moose Jaw.
Those flights should be dirt cheap.
You know, I'm only thinking about the Wisconsin Dells Pizza place when they say Moose Jaw.
Oh, is that what it's called?
I'd rather go there.
And then our pal Rich Lucasio, April and I are driving down to Naples, Florida this Saturday, visiting my mom from Mother's Day and her birthday.
Oh, that's nice, Rich.
Love that.
Yeah, my sister has a place in Naples.
I was there about a year ago.
It's nice.
You'll have a great time, Rich.
We'll read more of your texts coming up in a bit.
After the news, you will know everything you need to know.
Thanks to Civic Media's great news team, and we're coming back with Piat Levy, music writer for the Milwaukee Journal of Sentinel.
This is Pete Schwabba and Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
Oh, Annie says, Annie from Watertown says, what's wrong with radio?
She says, aren't you a radio show?
That's a great point, Annie.
That was good to say.
We are.
We are.
But there's so many, like, I mean, I think most of our listeners are not on the radio.
They're on the app or the stream.
But listen.
Listeners, any way possible.
The issue was Ollie couldn't give us a like or a follow because she was listening on the radio.
Having said that, if she just gave us a thumbs up in the privacy of her own living room, that's much appreciated too.
Just great to have you guys listening.
I don't care how you find us.
Just find us.
And thank you for your text.
Annie from Watertown also says, young folks just don't know how good soda with sugar is better.
I totally agree with that.
And I've had people say, nope, I like the high fructose corn syrup better.
None of it's good for you, but if you're gonna drink soda, and I do like a good soda once in a while, but I always go real sugar.
And I could not agree more.
I think it tastes much better.
All right, Rob Thomas is coming up in hour number two.
He'll be here at 7.20.
We'll talk movies with Rob.
Right now, I'm excited.
I can't believe it's been this long since we've had this last guy on the show, but he is an excellent writer for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
He covers music, and he's just an all-around swell guy, and he joins us now on the stream, Mr. Piat Levy.
Hey, buddy.
Hello, Pete.
Thanks for having me.
Good to be back on.
Yeah, like I said, I can't, and I thought of you because I saw the Summerfest lineup was out.
I'm like, oh my God, like, but I don't need to have you on just because the Summerfest lineup is out.
I mean, we should do this more often, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, no, I'm down any time.
So, but happy talk, Summerfest, music, anything.
Let's go.
Let's just jump in.
You know, I, should we start with Summerfest?
Let's start with Summerfest because there's a lot of acts and
I mean, you're a guy who covers it every year.
Do you ever see changes year to year?
I mean, it's always exciting because there are new bands and there's bands you haven't seen before in a great opportunity to see them in a different setting.
But what do you notice, Piet?
I mean, you've covered this for years.
Is each year a little different or the acts just different?
Yeah, I mean, there's a formula to Summerfest.
I mean, they obviously want to do something for everyone kind of approach.
And I think every year they generally kind of do that.
pretty well.
There are times that it's a little more exciting from my perspective than other times where there's like certain genres that maybe aren't always super well represented.
And like last year, for instance, there was a ton of...
Latin music, a ton of Spanish-language music.
And that's pretty rare at Summer Fast.
And there's been a surge in popularity for Spanish-language music.
And there were several acts like that last year.
That was really exciting to see.
That was different.
And there was a lot of Milwaukee's hip-hop scene is just having a really golden moment right now with lots of major national media attention.
Pitchfork did a big write-up on them in Rolling Stone, and they're getting shots from major players.
And last year, there was a ton of great Milwaukee rappers.
So there are moments like that that are really exciting to see.
But generally, it's something for everyone.
I mean, if you want to go and see, you know, Phil Vassar for the 30th time, you can go see Phil Vassar for the 30th more summer fest.
But if you want to go see something different, there's something there too.
I mean, there's a Japanese metal band called Baby Metal.
There's going to be only the new wave of Afro beats.
It's another genre that just, that kind of music doesn't always make it to Milwaukee.
It doesn't make it to Milwaukee very often.
But there's a really exciting rising star in that field, Ira Star, that's playing.
That's really great to see.
So yeah, I think there's fresh stuff there.
There's the usual kind of stuff that you always see there.
And again, I think this year it succeeds as being kind of something for everyone.
And some of those gets are pretty unique.
you're going to see there this year.
Devo, I mean, they're going on tour, but it's one of their last tours.
Probably be the last chance to see Devo in Milwaukee.
That's a pretty cool thing to see there.
San Francisco is kind of ahead of the curve, I think with Benson Boone.
He's playing at the Amphitheater July 3rd.
And when they booked that, I was like, gosh, I don't know if he's.
quite ready for the amphitheater level, but his popularity has just surged since then.
So they've kind of put me wrong.
A lot of those tickets are selling really well.
He just put an arena tour that's going on sale this week and that's already the pre-sales have been really strong for that.
So, you know, and there's going to be an artist named Alex Warren, who's, you know, it's a song of the summer contender.
He's going to probably have a massive audience on July 4th.
And then also Fountains of Wayne, it's going to be their first show in like, gosh, over a decade and they're going to be playing at Summerfest, which is really cool.
Who is that?
That was a plane.
That was a plane.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That's so great.
Let's talk about the big headliners first.
Boy, it's funny because some of these acts, to me, what I would get excited about, and if I think if I lived near Summerfest, I would go to see Gary Lewis and the Playboys or some of these people that were headliners decades ago, and now you can still see them.
if you like their music.
It's a great way to see them that's not that expensive.
But some of the headliners, like Def Leppard is still headlining.
That surprised me.
I mean, they're
a huge
band, but to be headlining the main stage still, that's kind of impressive.
Yeah, no, Def Leppard's still doing really well.
I mean, there's definitely a lot of love for them on that classic rock and that classic rock.
you know, they had a stadium tour.
The last time they were in town was a stadium tour with Motley Crew.
That sold really well at American Family Field.
That was 2022 or three.
So yeah, they're still they're still able to kind of pack big arenas.
I feel like they've even gotten more popular because I think the last time they played Summer Fest, they had they were co-headliners with Journey.
um to fill that amphitheater and then here they are they can kind of come back and I think they're doing well um on on their own so you got stuff like that like death leopard that's been you know around for ages like I mentioned Benson Boone yeah uh you know that's kind of like you know again I think when they announced that show that was like back in I think
January, February, and I just wasn't sure how well it would do, because it's 23,000 seats in that amphitheater.
Yeah.
But he's, again, has gotten really popular.
And it kind of reminds me a little bit of, in 2019, they booked Billie Eilish really early, and people were like, who's Billie Eilish?
At the time, she was doing theaters, and they're like, is she going to, is she really a summer fest headliner?
And then, yeah, it was proven very quickly.
She is definitely that caliber.
Oh, wow.
So it's a good mix of that kind of stuff.
You've got kind of a rare
a rare appearance from the Killers.
They're not doing a lot of dates this year.
They're really popular at the Lumineers.
Last time they played the Amphitheater, I think they sold it out.
And then, yeah, so, you know, there's just a really cool, there's a good mix.
There's a good mix there.
Lainey Wilson is a huge country star.
She'll be playing in the Amphitheater too, so.
Do
you think,
do you think Def Leppard will play pour some sugar on me?
I do.
I do think so.
It's
going to answer that so
seriously, like we were on
Meet the
Press.
No,
absolutely.
Well, the killer's, um, it's, it's interesting because some of these acts like James Taylor outside doesn't seem that exciting to me, but I'm sure he's going to crush.
Like everybody there will be all about James Taylor.
So that's a great
one.
I also love.
Yeah.
And that's, and that's the only, uh, that's the only James Taylor date with Jason Maras, who, you know, Jason Maras puts on a really great live show.
So that's cool that he's doing kind of this one off there.
This is great too, like you've got again these bands like the Frey or the psychedelic furs.
I mean, are they still bringing it like when they play concerts?
Have you seen them recently or do you know anything
about them?
I haven't seen psychedelic furs in a while.
But again, you'll have stuff like like that in the lineup and then you'll have, you know, newer things like.
like T Grizzly, he's like a really popular rapper out of Detroit.
So there's like, there's just, it's just a, again, I think a pretty good solid mix of stuff.
And what do you know, Piet, if anything about Billy Corgan, and it says, and the machines of God, is he, does he have all new music with this band or will he still play some pumpkin stuff?
He's still going to be playing pumpkin stuff.
The idea for that is he's going to be doing kind of some deeper cuts and some things like that, not with the pumpkin's lineup, but a pumpkin will be there to do pumpkin things.
What gets you the most excited about this lineup?
Is there a particular day you're drawn to or an appearance by one of these musical acts?
Yeah, I mean, I think I think I mentioned Lady Wilson.
I mean, she's really kind of the center of the country world right now.
That's going to be really big.
Megan Thee Stallion is that same weekend.
Megan Thee Stallion is playing June 28th.
That looks really exciting.
You've got Vincent Boone.
You've got the Killers.
You know, some of those acts are still very much a list level or killers may not be quite essential into the pop culture zeitgeist, but still very popular.
Yeah.
And yeah, and then there's just like, like I said, there's stuff on the grounds.
I think the fountains of Wayne booking is really cool.
I think.
Devo being there is really neat.
There's just, there's some good kind of rarity kind of stuff going on too.
I love that Ira Star is part of this lineup.
It's great that there's Afro beats representation.
I mean, what I was a little disappointed about was there's not a ton of Milwaukee hip hop yet, but the full schedule isn't out yet.
And there aren't really that many Spanish language acts.
Last year there was a ton and it just seemed like it was just really exciting to see.
Cause that's just something that's been overlooked, I think in at the surface lineup, you know, there's just a few genres like that where it's just like,
It should be there and it's not.
It's supposed to be something for everyone and it generally succeeds, but then there's things like that where it's like clearly missing.
And that was great to see last year.
There's less of that this year.
I'm hoping there's still a few slots to fill.
I'm hoping we'll see some things in those few remaining slots.
My guest is Piat Levy.
He writes about music for the Milwaukee Journal certainly.
He's been doing it for years and doing it incredibly well.
I noticed also Richard Marks will be there, but very low down.
he seems like one of those retro acts piet that like I thought he would be at a bigger stage I don't know is that surprising
yeah he'll still be he'll still be closing a stage I mean a few years ago he was playing like a like a 4 p.m.
slot so you know uh yeah
He'll have a closing night slot.
I mean, again, if you're into Richard Marx, he's there.
You can go see Richard Marx.
If you want to see Wayne Chun, you can see Wayne Chun if you want to see something newer.
There's a lot of newer stuff too.
So I think they did a pretty good job.
There's always room for improvement always, but I think it's a pretty solid summer festival.
It looks great.
I have a Richard Marx story.
I have kind of an axiogram with Richard Marx because when I moved to LA with
my
wife, my aunt was dating his father.
And we were supposed to stay at their house while we got acclimated to LA.
Well, they were in a horrible car accident.
His father ended
up
passing away.
And he was a great guy.
And
he was a
very, very well-known composer.
And he wrote jingles like for Ham's beer from the land of sky blue waters.
You know, that was Dick Marks, Richard's dad.
Well, Dick was great.
And he said, stay here.
And we get out there.
And Richard Marks locked us out of the house.
Richard Marks.
I
might show up at that
concert and give him a piece of my mind.
He was trying to be nice about it.
He didn't like my aunt, so he called me and he's apologizing.
I'm like, dude, we just drove 2,000 miles.
I
don't, I've not
sucker punched many people in my life, Piat, but
Richard
Marx is on my list.
I'm half kidding.
All right, so there's more to that story, too.
But we'll do that over a beer sometime.
OK,
so what else excites you about the Milwaukee?
Like you mentioned the hip hop scene in Milwaukee.
And I remember you kind of talking about that last year.
What else is happening in Milwaukee musically that we should keep our eye on?
Or what excites you?
Is there a new band or a new sound or something?
Yeah, there's I mean there's also some all sorts of stuff.
I mean the hip-hop scene is really exciting There's a really good really great rock scene right now with like where emo is kind of leading the way and there's a band called bug moment that that is really good kind of I think leading that charge and there's a lot of really good bands in that scene You know, there's some really great singer-songwriter stuff.
There's just like it's just it's great because
There's just so many exciting things sort of happening.
Surface will have some of them.
I'm really hoping we'll see more, more of those bookings, but there's a now, now times Nile is a rapper.
That's really good.
He's playing.
You got Buffalo Nichols, who is a walkie-based artist who does acoustic blues music and is really, really good.
He's playing on June 19.
The Keystones is a really fun, you know, Strokes inspired rock band that is worth checking out.
They'll also be at Sarfest and I'm sure there'll be more, more kind of local acts announced for that too.
But yeah, there's a ton of, ton of great stuff coming out of Milwaukee.
You go to jsonline.com slash music.
I'm going to be a shameless self promoter.
There's I'm writing all the time.
So yeah, it's a pleasure.
Yeah.
It's a pleasure covering it.
Covering such an exciting town with its scene.
That's fantastic.
How many of these shows, like, I know you have a family.
Is it hard for you to get out at night and go watch bands?
Do you still have to do that, or is it done?
You know, we got to take a quick break.
Let's think about that, and when we come back, we'll pick up there, and we'll have a few more minutes with
our
guest, Pete Levy, from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, who is with us here at Nightlight.
We are coming right back.
Do not go anywhere.
Our question of the night, ladies and gentlemen, is, it is National Tourism Day.
Where are you going?
Let us know and we will read your text on the radio.
It's Pete Schwabba in Night Light.
You're listening to the Civic Media Radio
Network.
Hey, this is John Legend and you're listening to Night Light with Pete Schwabba.
Welcome
back.
This is Night Light with Pete Schwabba.
Great to have you with me on this Wednesday night.
We're talking music at the moment.
Rob Thomas will be here from Madison Film Critic and Citycast Madison newsletter editor will be here at 720 to talk movies and some things going on in Madison as we Make our way around the state tonight right now.
My guest is piet leavey.
He writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and covers music and do you get outside of Milwaukee much piet?
I know Milwaukee's your focus But you you kind of alluded to the fact that you you kind of have your finger on the pulse all over the state, don't you?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I watch what's going on, but I don't I don't get to get out very often, you know, to go see shows and, you know, in different towns around the state.
There's plenty to cover in Milwaukee.
And honestly, there's there's too much to cover.
There's so much great music kind of coming out of the city, so much great original music.
And so, you know, there's still a lot of great local bands I haven't seen live yet.
And there's just a lot to there's just so much.
It's just too much.
And so it's a great problem to have.
It's an awesome problem to have.
And it's just it's real to write about it to share share what
People are doing in their own backyards and amazing things.
Yeah.
So how do you do that?
How often do you get out during the weekend and see live music?
Well, I don't get a lot like every week during the week to see live music.
I'm just like listening to stuff all the time and then covering a ton of shows.
And I'll be at Summer Fest all nine days.
Summer is really kind of the busy, the really busy season for me.
So I'll be.
covering kind of a lot of a lot of style via Summerfest and the Harley Fest and going to lots of kind of one-off concerts and just kind of, you know, checking out as much stuff as I can, listening to as much stuff as I can, just trying to really stay, stay connected and tapped in.
There's just a ton to cover, but it's a thrill to do it.
Yeah, you talked about this festival that hasn't announced their lineup yet, which is a neighborhood festival on the east side called the Summer Solstice Music Festival.
Like, whereas Summerfest is kind of a spectacle and it's this huge event,
That sounded really cool.
Is that
still happening?
Yeah, that's still gonna be happening in June.
And there's like a ton of great festivals and fairs are gonna be happening.
I mean, that's what's so great about Milwaukee is...
You know, I mean, it's the city of festivals.
It's obviously the nickname.
There's so much stuff happening, whether it's, you know, summer solstice or whether, you know, it's Pride Fest or whether it's Irish Fest or German Fest or, you know, all these different kinds of things, the state fair.
There's just so much stuff to go to.
There's just a ton of things to go to.
And a ton of it is really fueled by music.
So there's just, it's just a really, it's an incredible time because it's just.
you know, we're in the cold for so many months.
And it's just great to kind of get out and hear so much stuff and just enjoy, enjoy the great weather, enjoy great music, enjoy great company or whatever it might be.
So, yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be a busy summer for sure.
What about Harley Homecoming?
Is that who's playing there?
What will that event be like?
And is it
open?
Yeah, so I mean,
Yeah, oh yeah, totally.
I mean, it will be.
I mean, Harley Homecoming has become kind of the second, probably the second biggest music festival in Milwaukee behind Summerfest.
You know, every five years, Harley Davidson would do this big bash across the city.
A lot of times they'd have musicians.
people may remember Elton John was famously a surprise performer in the Harley Homecoming many years ago, which got some mixed reactions, but did a free show.
But still some people were expecting like Springsteen or Rolling Stones.
Springsteen played there
though, years ago, didn't he?
He did.
He did exactly.
He did the one after that.
So every five years, Harley would do this.
But then the last few years, they've been doing an annual music festival or annual festival where they have things.
going on at different dealerships around town, things at the Harley Museum at their power train operations.
And then the centerpiece is this Veterans Park concert.
This year it's happening July 11th and 12th.
It's actually happening the weekend after last week at a summer fest.
And the last couple of years I've had acts like Foo Fighters and Green Day and Red Hot Chili Peppers and Jelly Roll and Hardy.
And this year it's really, it's really become, you know, it's very rock heavy.
And this year it's like basically all
country, Americana acts.
Obviously a lot of them will be rockin' too, but it's definitely in that mold.
And you've got Chris Stapleton as a big headliner, Hank Williams Jr.
as a big headliner.
And then these buzzy acts like Turnpike Tributors and Treaty Oak Revival and Sierra Farrell, Charlie Wesley Godwin, a lot of really interesting acts that are kind of in that country or old country or Americana vein.
And I think last year they had...
I mean, it's tens of thousands of people.
I think last year it was...
you know, with the two days combined, I think it was around 50 or something like that, 50,000 people.
So it's, it's become a big thing.
It really, and it feels like, for anyone that's gone like Lollapalooza in Chicago, it's got more of that, that kind of vibe.
Cause you're just, you're going in a field.
Yes, there's Port of Hotties, but it's still, you know, there's, you know, you're still surrounded by the skyline and it's, it's, it's still great.
And it's cool that, that there's enough room in a, in a city like Milwaukee to have that.
And then on top of that, you've got festivals, like pretty much every weekend, you know, this summer is going
interesting from a Wisconsin concert perspective because this summer you'll see the first concerts at Camp Randall in Madison since 1997.
Camp Raindles is getting back into the concert game.
Last year it was approved that they could sell alcohol.
That was the thing that kept the tours from coming.
When there were some shows there in the 90s, like Rolling Stones, U2, they were dry shows.
They did not sell alcohol.
And alcohol sales are very much desired and really from a financial standpoint, very much needed for huge tours like this at this point.
So now they can sell alcohol.
This year for its first year as a concert venue again, you've got Morgan Wallen, who's just a massive country star doing two nights in June.
One of those actually opposite Summerfest.
And then in July, you have Coldplay, which they're tours like the top selling tour ever in terms of tickets.
So they'll be there too.
So you've got that in addition to Summerfest, in addition to the Harley Fest, in addition to all the other festivals and everything else kind of going on.
Lots of options.
Buddy, thank you for your time.
This is great reconnecting.
Let's do it again and not wait so long.
Love
talking to you
and love talking to you about music.
Keep up the great work.
Let's do it again.
Thanks a lot.
Yeah, definitely Pete.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you.
Take care.
Thanks.
You got it.
All right.
That's Piat Levy.
Follow him on Twitter too, by the way, at Piat Levy.
He does great work at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Just a really excellent writer.
We are about to break for intermission and the civic media news team will tell you what you need to know and we've got a great Larry David clip coming up after the break folks And we'll read your texts and all kinds of fun stuff still happening at nightlight right after the news It's Pete Schwabba and you are listening to the civic media radio network
Broadcasting live from the Civic Media Studios in Green Bay.
This is Night Light with Pete Chwaba.
Your inside source on everything entertainment from Wisconsin to Hollywood.
And now, a guy who travels so he can pretend he's on the lam, Pete Chwaba.
Never committed a crime in my life, folks.
You got a prison record, Conrad?
You're been arrested?
Like even for something like a
misdemeanor or something?
Should I say it on the air?
I don't
know.
Well, what's the statute of limitations?
I mean, incriminating yourself may be best not to.
No, I have not been arrested.
Welcome back to Act Two of tonight's episode of Nightlight, ladies and gentlemen.
I am Pete Schwabba, Conrad Krieger, riding shotgun.
As we bring you the news, you truly want to hear movies and TV and fun stuff and music.
We just had a great conversation with Pete Levy from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
He has been writing about music, I mean, easily 20 years.
Piet and I sat down, when the Godfather of Green Bay came out, we met at Major Ghoul's Beasts, and he did an article on me and the film, which was great, and that's how I first knew him, but I hadn't talked to him in years, so it's been great reconnecting with him, and this is the second time he's been on Nightlight, but I think we have to do that more often.
He's really tapped into the music scene, and always fun to talk to Piet, and we talked some miniature golfing earlier, and I think we need to remind people, Conrad, about what our question.
of the night is.
Let's talk about the
question.
Okay, question.
Question.
Question.
Question.
Question.
Question.
Okay, I have a question.
Questions.
This question.
Question.
Questions.
Well, it's National Tourism Day.
So where are you going?
We still got some texts to read from last hour, but that's our question of the night.
I said internationally, I'm going to New Zealand.
Back here at home.
I would love to go back to New York.
I haven't been to New York in probably 15 years.
And it's just an amazing city.
Really fun to visit.
And again, I could live there if I had a ton of money.
I'd want to do it in style, though.
I don't want to be poor in New York.
And then Door County, right here in Wisconsin, I would definitely go to Door County.
Maybe I'd retire there.
I love Door County.
It's a great place.
Remind us of your places.
I know...
You know, I said Wisconsin does, but...
I'm already going there, but if I'm saying I do I would like to go back to door County and you know my friends and I have done a trip for the past two years Kind of starting a thing.
I feel like really in September around there where we went to where we go to the Dells last year.
Yeah, we stayed at a Airbnb and This time, you know, I'd really like to go to Washington Island though and maybe take a tour of some of those shipwrecks
Just something cool.
You know, one of those national parks he was talking about yesterday.
I can't think of
it now, but... Yeah, the one just north of Sturgeon Bay.
Clickwall was telling us about it, yeah.
It has a shipwreck, like, right off the coast.
Yeah.
When I was looking, so...
There's a
ton of
cool stuff there.
So I gotta say, I would like to go to Dork County, too.
I think that's cool that you're like a young, single guy, and you guys are going to Dork...
I think of people that go to Door County and they go like antiquing or to craft stores.
You guys are like doing it right though.
That's that's so fun.
You know, I forget what the place is called, but they have goats on the roof.
Yeah, Al Johnson's.
Yes.
And Sister Bay.
Yeah, that's a great place.
And last year we did.
We should have got reservations probably.
But last year we went for breakfast and let's just say the wait was.
Yeah.
So we went there around 11 and then we found this bar.
Like, right up the road.
We just stayed there for a while instead.
Oh, what's the breakfast place in Fish Creek?
I bet that's what you're talking about.
I'm looking it up right now, because it's gonna bug me.
It's like the most famous place.
Julie's, no, Waikal Inn.
That's it.
Was that the place?
No,
it was in
Sister Bay.
Okay.
It was just... You remember what the bar was called?
Yeah.
But it had some great food in it.
The only thing that was kind of sucked about is that they had some nice outdoor seating.
There's a bees nest right above it.
So we're
like, yeah, no, like we were out there.
We're like, oh, this would be great.
All of a sudden, these bees just start coming around.
Right.
You
can't let's go inside.
Yeah.
You know, another place, you know, it doesn't it's not really like Dork County, but it's one of my favorite places to go.
My wife and I honeymoon there.
We've taken our kids there as Mackinaw Island.
And that is an incredibly special place.
The only reason I picked Door County over Mackinac Island is because A, it's closer and you can drive like Mackinac Island, you're taking a ferry and it's fun to stay on the island and rent bikes and or horses if that's your thing, but so much charm that you can't even believe it.
And it's gorgeous.
It's between Lake, I think it's Huron and Michigan and the Mackinac Bridge is there.
And when that sun.
sparkles on the water.
It is absolutely beautiful and it's really picturesque, but it is not that four hours is that long, but it's a two-lane.
If you go for Marinette, it's two lanes for four hours.
If you go around, it's even longer.
But so many great places.
Tell us where you're going, folks.
It's National Tourism Day.
That's our question of the night.
Where are you going?
We'll read your texts in just a minute here.
But on the stream, we got to get to these.
Dave Kunish says, Eastern Mediterranean Cruise.
Oh, there you go.
Wow, great choice.
May have to do a little switcheroo.
I don't know the cruise thing.
My wife can't do cruises.
She gets seasick, but you know.
Maybe I do like a young Christian singles cruise or something.
I'm the older guy dispensing advice.
That's not creepy.
Stacey Sue Johnson on the stream says, hi, Pete and Conrad.
Hi, Stacey.
Good to have you with us tonight.
So during the break, this is kind of funny.
During Rob Thomas' interview, we did a prerecord earlier with Rob, and the entire interview I have in a text chat window to Rob.
Do you know how long it takes to erase that?
It would have been faster if I deleted him as a contact, because it took me the whole break to hit the backspace.
And then I tried to select all, but it kept only selecting a couple words.
I'm like, this is ridiculous.
I don't want to send him the whole interview, so he has a transcript.
That would have been hilarious if you sent that.
Believe me, I've sent worse stuff by accident, so that wouldn't have been too bad.
But that interview with Rob is coming up in just a few minutes.
And let's get to some texts because we don't want to let too much time go by here.
Annie from Watertown.
Oh, we already read that, but she's still right.
Young folks.
I don't even know if it's young folks, Annie.
It's just people that aren't familiar with real soda and sugar or real sugar and soda.
That's how it used to be before they decided they could save so much money and put high fructose corn syrup in.
But I mean, ideally,
We all stay away from soda anyway.
Conrad's mom is checking in.
She says, in the U.S., I have not seen the Grand Canyon.
For international, I would like to go to France.
Likewise, Paula.
She says, when we lived in Wisconsin, we liked to go to Managua.
Managua's beautiful.
The Florida of Wisconsin.
Managua, is that what they call
it?
Well, it's kind of a peninsula.
Yeah?
I mean, it's gorgeous.
A
little
colder.
I went there and did some jet skiing.
That was a lot of fun.
Oh,
yeah.
My buddy Mike McGuire, who is the other Marinette resident besides myself, who shot a movie there.
Mike lives in LA and he's a producer, very talented guy.
He made a film called Aquarians and he shot it in Marinette like eight years ago and I couldn't believe it, but there was a movie there that I got to audition for and it was fun to be in the film.
But we went on a little tour of his film and we spent two days in Managua and at his friends like...
Not beach house, but lake house.
And man, it was gorgeous.
Like I see why people go there and what the fuss is, you know?
Very beautiful.
Brian from Milwaukee says, would love to go to the Dells.
I haven't been there since I was a kid.
Plus, have never been to Door County.
Brian, do yourself a favor.
I mean, go to both places, but Door County is, yeah, if you want to just chill, it's easier.
There are more waterslides in the Dells.
But Dorr County's great.
He says, plus, or he says, would love to go to Poland being Polish.
Always wanted to take a cruise and chill with friends in Florida.
Only traveled the Midwest.
Well, this is a darn fine place, Brian, but I hope he gets to some of these places because it does.
All that sounds great.
Tom in the 414, he's in New Berlin.
He says, golf in Ireland.
See Sedona again and visit UCLA University.
I've cut a hay by the bit.
What is that?
Visit UCLA University of Cudahay by the Lake, almost.
I don't know.
He's doing like a stream of consciousness thing.
I love Tom's text.
Thank you, Tom.
Barb and Waukesha sent, is that Richard Marks?
She sent like this meme after I told my Richard Marks story.
I think it is.
When he locked us out.
And I think she sent a meme.
And it'd be fun to try to get him on the show.
And he and I can go at it out of here.
You should have him in studio.
I would love to have him in studio.
I've gotten over it.
I mean, I was pretty, pretty pissed off, but he lost his, I mean, you know, it's probably just better to let sleeping dogs lie.
Steady Eddie, Pete in 1993, me and my girlfriend vacationed in the states of Washington and Oregon.
We went to the top of the Space Needle in Seattle, visited Crater Lake, which is 2,000 feet deep.
That's crazy.
And was formed by the
Caldera, I think he's spelled that right.
I hope I said it right, of an extinct volcano.
We saw gray whales and the Cascade Mountains.
It was a whale of a trip.
Come on steady Eddie, you're better than that.
He says we tried to get farther down the west coast to see the redwoods in Northern California, but we ran out of time.
So Pete, my dream is to go back and visit Northern California and experience the magical redwoods.
It's dead fast Edward.
The redwoods are incredible.
Before I lived in California, I went out there on a trip with my folks and one of my brothers, and there's a picture of my brother standing in front of a redwood.
To truly understand how big these trees are, you just, you have to stand in front of them.
They are incredibly girthy.
That's a good word for him.
You can't even imagine how big these things are until you're standing in front of it.
Tom says, thanks.
No, thank you, Tom.
You guys have a couple minutes if you want to get an answer in.
But let's do, I don't think we have time for our Larry David clip, unfortunately.
Do
you think we do?
Not
really.
Kinda close.
Kinda.
But you know, we could go back to us fighting
Karilla.
Last week.
All right, let's do that because.
This was a big deal, folks.
It was all over the internet.
Can 100 men defeat a Silverback gorilla in a fight?
And ultimately, NBC did a deep dive, and they thought men would win.
But it was only because the gorilla got fatigued.
So what most people didn't know is Conrad and I, where were we at the Milwaukee Zoo?
Where did that happen again?
It was just a crazy thing.
It was light
part,
right?
Oh, it's okay.
Well, lo and behold, we ran into a Silverback gorilla.
Only for the third time in our lives, one was out of the cage and we decided to help corral it and get it back in the cage.
We didn't want to fight it.
It just kind of unfolded that way.
So we tried to work our way in and help this gorilla back to the cage.
It did not go well and here is video of that
encounter.
Get him!
Get him!
I'm gonna punch him in the head!
Swip his legs!
Headline!
You got this!
No, I don't!
Get in there!
I don't!
Get him!
Come on!
Oh no!
Oh no, no, no, no!
Headline!
No!
Kick him in the balls!
Oh!
Oh, he's fighting dirty!
Come on, come on, grab him!
Oh, he's got both legs!
I got this!
I got this!
I got this!
Oh!
He's got both legs!
I'm sorry, buddy, I'm getting out of here!
He just threw me!
I'm sorry to make you relive that, Conrad.
You know, it was a great experience.
I lived through it.
That's all the tale.
The best part was you, like, if you were actually fighting your gorilla, you'd tell me what your game plan was.
I'm going to punch you in the head.
Let's talk.
Just do.
Beautiful.
So Rob Thomas is coming up after a very short break tonight, folks.
Tomorrow night on Nightlight is our popcorn pick of the week with our pal, Aaron Coreno, the Civic Media Zone.
He will be here to give us his pick and then...
We have Deandra Marie coming back to the studio.
That'll be fun.
A singer-songwriter from here in northeast Wisconsin.
We have some pre-recorded content coming up with our pal Rob Thomas.
But you want to listen to this because we talk about a lot of movies.
And Rob is the guy in the know, especially if you're in the Madison area, he'll tell us all about what's going on.
We'll be right back.
This is Pete Schwabba at Nightlight on the Civic Media Radio Network.
We are shiny, happy people.
It is a gorgeous day all over our state here in Wisconsin as we broadcast live from beautiful downtown Green Bay.
Our tummy's full of gelato and all kinds of good stuff here.
Kicking summer off right with some extra calories.
This is exciting, folks.
It's always exciting when my next guest joins the show.
He is kind of an authority on movies and TV and all things cultural happening down around Madison and other parts of Wisconsin, and he joins us frequently here at Nightlight.
It is my pleasure to welcome the editor of the CityCast Madison newsletter and Madison-based film critic, Rob Thomas.
Hey, buddy.
Hey, Pete.
How are you?
Doing pretty well.
How you been?
I've been
good.
Thanks for having me out.
It's been a little while.
Yeah,
yeah.
Has it?
Wasn't the film festival the last time?
Oh, I guess it has been yeah Yeah, I was trying to remember because I sent you what I had seen lately so we could discuss it and I'm like did we already talk about this or but then I saw the date you wrote it and I'm like no I think we're I need a better system Rob I need to write an address book or get something going here, but either way it's great to have you and Happy to be yeah, what's new buddy?
How you doing
good weather so nice?
It's like
summer movie season, I guess.
We had a Marvel movie last Friday, so it's like, we're in it.
We've been waiting months and months for this.
Yeah, we have, and it's weird because, you know, movie, summer movie season is here, but nothing huge is opening this weekend.
I mean, there's a good variety, but like, you're right, Thunderbolts opened last week, and I seem to remember this last year that the Fall guy opened, and then it was kind of a drought until... This
is kind of...
a thing if you look back like the first week in May is always a big movie
usually a
Marvel movie and then the next week maybe because they don't want to compete with that movie there's almost nothing we're like little indies and stuff like that or right so it is a weird thing like
It starts off with a bang and then immediately backtracks.
And then they're like, oh,
what were you?
Exactly.
And I think the same thing happened last year.
It was like, all right, I guess summer movie season is here, but it seems like there would be an onslaught or every week something big would be opening.
And we could talk about what's opening this weekend, I guess, but we'll get into movies and we'll talk a little bit about what's going on in Madison.
But I saw that you wrote on Citycast, Seinfeld is coming to the Overture Center.
We have Tim Sowers on here periodically from the Overture Center.
Are you going to see that show?
No, because I have a mortgage, and there are some seats available down front for $800 a pop.
How about that?
Which is, you know, and Overture, if you talk to Tim Sowers, they'd be quick to say that they didn't set those prices that, you know,
Seinfeld's people are renting the theaters as a lot of times touring comedians and musicians do.
So they set the prices and apparently they think it's worth 800 bucks to be right up close.
Not that he does a visually dazzling show, I would say, but not a lot of costume changes.
You don't want to miss the dance numbers.
Yeah, but I guess he's a comedy icon.
But that's the problem.
I've seen him twice live.
when I was much younger in Chicago.
And that is probably more of an $800 show, even though one doesn't exist, than seeing old cranky 72-year-old Jerry.
You know, yeah, you're seeing an icon.
You wouldn't, even if I was completely loaded, I would not pay 800 bucks to see Jerry Seinfeld.
No offense to Jerry Seinfeld.
I found a story I wrote 15 years ago complaining when tickets for him were $80.
So it's... Wow.
And that was, that was Seinfeld in his fifties.
I mean, you know, and the thing is, I mean, I haven't seen him in a decade at least, but he is great.
Like he's like, he is one of the best.
You were like, Oh, this is why he's commanding these big ticket prices.
Cause he really is like one of the best, still one of the best at what he does.
But that's pretty expensive, especially if there's no like.
meet and greet or, you know, he signed your poster or, you know, anything like that.
Like it was a lot of times what you get with that VIP seating.
It's just, it's just Jerry on stage.
And yeah, you're right.
And there's nothing else but him telling jokes and he's great at it.
But I feel like, you know, if you're, and you're right, he's one of the best, but at some point, a lot of comedians anyway, reach.
A point in their career, I think it's around the mid-50s where they lose their edge and it's not him making hilarious observations.
It's him sharing his thoughts and they're not as funny.
You might be still interested because it's Jerry Seinfeld, but in terms of laughter, it's very tough, I think, for stand-up comics to be funny or relevant comedically anyway past that age, but that's just my opinion.
Well, I agree because they're disconnected from everyday life, so what are they?
And you can't make observations on...
you know, how your limo driver backs into your, you know, your driveway.
That's that really relatable.
Maybe for those $800 people.
Yeah, they can relate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's hilarious.
Um, so in, where is, all right, there's something going on with the Sylvie, um, you wrote about on city cast.
I have never been there.
What kind of space is that Rob?
Is that a gorgeous facility?
It's actually.
It's not that pretty.
It was designed, but it's a great space for shows because it's basically a black box, but they've they really designed it with the idea of like getting big tours in there easily because the other theaters in Madison like the Orpheum and the Barrymore.
I love them, but they were old theaters that were kind of retrofitted.
So, you know, if you have a big stage set up or big lights or, you know, it's a little, can be a little challenging to get in there.
Whereas the Sylvie was designed for that.
It's named after the one sort of personal touches that it's named after the wife of.
of a Madison icon who, you know, who, who's best in concert promoters.
This is his wife's name, Sylvie, she's late wife.
So
the Franks.
So, yeah.
So it's, it's a, but otherwise it's just, you know, since it opened in Madison, we get a lot of shows I don't think we would have gotten otherwise.
Yeah.
All right.
We're going to do a very quick break.
Our guest is Rob Thomas and.
I want to ask you, Rob, when we come back, I love the article you wrote, what to do with your parents when they visit Madison.
So we'll dive into that a little bit.
Then we'll get into movies Rob has seen, and he's seen quite a few of them.
And that's always a fun part of the interview.
That's coming up next on Nightlight with Pete Schwabba.
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So you wrote this article, Rob.
It was great things to do.
What made you come up with that angle?
About doing things with your parents in Madison.
Yeah, honey
So at CityCast Madison, we have a membership program called neighbors and people Support our work and they have a monthly, you know sort of membership fee and they get Aside from the satisfaction of knowing they're helping local journalism they get a lot of perks and one of them was We just started doing member happy hours and we had one last week at the musky here in Madison and two separate people I was talking to
two separate members mentioned like, oh, it's just, it's hard to know what to do when your parents come to town.
And I was like, that's an idea for a, for an article, especially since, uh, UW commencement is this weekend.
So there's going to be a lot of parents.
And so I was like kind of racking my brain.
And, you know, I think part of it is you live in a place you don't really think about kind of the obvious things, you know, like, and so I wrote this article for, for CityCast Madison, what to do with your parents and sort of broke it down by if your parents love crowds, they can go to the farmer's market, go to the union terrace.
It's like peace and quiet.
They can go to Old Brook Gardens.
If you like food, they can go to.
you
know
the mustard museum and
so it
was really fun and I think it's definitely like a like news you can use.
People should bookmark that for the next time their parents come to town.
I'm certainly going to.
It's fantastic.
Like when my parents are there and my son went to college there, it's just a great walking town too.
Like whenever I'm in Madison, I put on 10,000 steps.
It seems like before I get out of bed and I'm just going back and forth.
It's in my parents love to walk.
So they just like taken in State Street.
Like that's like the easiest entertainment there is, right?
Yeah.
Started the capital, go down State Street, go to through campus to Union Terrace.
Like that's a full day.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
You had for parents that like the hustle and bustle to.
rooms that I've never been to the tornado club.
And is it the litigra?
Am I saying that right?
You've never been.
Oh,
never
got to take you to both those places.
Okay.
So the tornado club is classic Wisconsin supper club.
Yeah.
Great.
you know the place you the nice dining place you would take people to I think in Madison because it's very Wisconsin but also very nice great steaks great martinis great bar and then the tea gray is this again super retro super funky bar that I don't think they've updated since the 60s it's in a little strip
mall on the
west side as the name applies tiger motif everywhere and reportedly
like you're not allowed to swear in there.
Like it's that kind of a place and they will admonish you if you use uncouth language.
Yeah, so it's very cool that way.
So again, very good for your parents if they don't like colorful language.
My mom swears like a sailor, that probably
isn't the idea.
She'd be out in five minutes.
We had this, I was reading this article about, I don't know where I saw it, but the comedian Sam Merrill, who I don't know, but I just was watching a video he did, he said,
he was working comedy on state a few years ago I think and he found the tornado club and he loved it like he said I went there every night I was in town the stakes are great it was great food I don't know how anyone like this place and then he went on Yelp and found the one guy who didn't he did this whole bit about in this voice of this whiny guy who found something wrong with the tornado club and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen now I've not been there so I don't I don't know who I think I would be on Sam's side though based on
Yeah, I'd side with him, too, I think.
Yeah.
Rob, let's talk some movies.
So you saw... How was... Is it The Legend of Ochi?
Am I saying that right?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That was in theaters pretty fast.
Yeah.
But I quite liked it.
It's an A24 film, but that's a studio known more for horror and stuff, but this was like a family film.
And very much felt like a movie set in the 80s, like Dark Crystal or Never Ending Story or something like that.
And it's sort of a fable about this remote village.
these creatures and you know the townsfolk are trying including Willem Dafoe and a very over-the-top performance are trying to eradicate these creatures but then this one girl finds out they're actually nice but the cool thing is instead of using CGI to create the creatures it's all puppetry and it's really cool like they like I guess they use like seven different puppeteers for one animal and so I thought it was really
fun to watch.
And so like I said, I think it's probably already gone from theaters with Thunderbolts playing, but it's probably going to be on VOD pretty soon.
Where do you stand on?
I think there's some hope here like I love a 24 even if I don't like a movie or it's not my style I like the way their movies look like the aesthetics and I feel like there is hope like everything at times it seems like it's either franchise or Marvel and I love Mission Impossible but that's a huge franchise now it seems like the people but there are people out there making really cool films like there's a 24 challengers was different sinners had a
just an old school cinema look to it.
I just saw that last weekend.
There's hope for movies, isn't there, in my opinion?
I think so, and I think you're right that it's like ultimately it's those independent or just independent minded movies.
Directors with power, really.
They can get their
films.
They
have their own vision that end up really resonating people and getting people to the theaters because it's like
um it's something different and people are really craving something different and you know I wish some of these movies would stay in theaters a little longer to get just a little more word of mouth like
yeah
I think I talked before about black bag which I thought was a great spy thriller um and with something that people talked about would have gotten a little more legs but it's already it's already on vod maybe it's already on peacock by now
it is yeah
yeah but I think um
You know, I think when like centers is one that like I think it was bigger the second weekend than the first and and was big again last weekend because people are talking about and they're like This is something different and you should you should go out and see it So I'm hopeful that like that's the way forward as people go.
Well, you know, there's still it's still worth going out You know, you need to go out once a month.
You want to see something special
for sure and it's interesting you said it because
Um, I saw centers last weekend and I was, it was one of those films where I'm watching it and I go, I think I love this.
But then something would happen and be just kind of different.
But it was like, I totally embraced when the director would do something off guard or that I didn't expect.
And I liked the movie when it ended and I stayed through the credits.
But I was saying this last night on the show, there was another couple there and they left.
before that scene at the end of the credits.
And that scene at the end of the credits put me over the top.
And I was like, I love this movie.
You mean the one with the cameo by
Buddy Guy?
Yeah, Buddy Guy.
Well, they played, they showed him playing.
But then when the credit roll was over, they had an actual scene with him and Michael B. Jordan and the Steinfeld woman.
Hailey Steinfeld.
Hailey Steinfeld.
And they came in and it was like 30 years after it was just so cool.
Yeah.
No, that was the movie that took big swings.
Not everyone connected.
To me, there was maybe one ending too many towards the end there and it
could have
wrapped
up.
That's
interesting.
Even when I didn't connect with it, I appreciated the swing.
I was with a friend of mine and he...
was more mixed on it, I think, because things just weren't working for him.
But for me, most of it worked great.
And the stuff didn't quite work.
I just appreciated that Ryan Coogler, the director, was was trying something and using that cloud, like we said, to do something really different and personal and like super entertaining.
Like I've been thinking about that movie ever since I saw it because there's only so much cool stuff in it.
Same with me.
I'm the same way.
That's a great way to put it.
Still think it stays with you.
And what you said is true.
Like the film came out.
And then the next week only had a 6% drop off.
That's unheard of with any film, especially horror.
And how does word of mouth, like you said word of mouth, and I think you're right, but how does that travel that quickly?
I know we've got great reviews, but that must have spread like wildfire to get that many people to go during week number two.
Yeah, I mean, maybe I did see like I look on TikTok and I just keep posting a lot of TikTok.
scenes and memes and stuff like that.
I think that helps a lot, I think.
And that film has a lot of little moments that, like I said, have people talking and thinking about it, so.
Absolutely.
You know whatever whatever happened it worked and they've got to figure out a way to do it again with other movies because that was yeah phenomenon
Totally agree.
Let's talk about you wrote about fight or flight you did a review on your sub-stack You can follow Rob's sub-stack at not that Rob Thomas He is my guest right now, and he is a Madison based film critic.
We're talking movies.
I read a little bit about fight or flight because I talk about
for Civic Media, what's coming up this weekend and what's opening.
And I read kind of a brief synopsis and I thought, this sounds so stupid.
But then your review, and you're a guy I totally trust, I'm like, oh, maybe I got to see this.
And I thought it was Chris Pratt at first in the picture.
And I'm like, there's no way I'm seeing this movie.
And then I'm like, oh, Josh Hartnett, OK.
So you liked it, though.
It's stupid.
I mean you're not wrong, but it's sort of that stupid kind of action movie that can be a lot of fun if you're in the right Okay, and It's if you ever saw the movie bullet train.
It's basically the same plot where the hero was stuck on a plane Instead of a train obviously it with a bunch of killers.
He's trying to find this
terrorist and it's just one fight scene after another.
He gets more outrageous, gets more violence and over the top as the movie goes
on.
I
mean, ridiculously so.
But the thing was, I really dug Josh Hartnett in this.
And I remember 20 years ago, he was sort of like the pretty boy of the moment in movies like Pearl Harbor.
And like and seem to have no personality on state screen is at least I thought it was really kind of like being pushed as the next hot young star He kind of went away and now he's been back the last couple years with Oppenheimer.
He had a good spoil trap And then now this and it's like he's got some seasoning and he's really fun to watch like and so he's certainly the best thing about Fight or flight, which is like like we talked about one of those movies that come out
the second week of the summer when it's like, you know, all these little movies or B movies, I guess, that are really big summer movies.
But, you know, if you're like that sort of thing, it's pretty fun.
It's so funny.
Like, I'm so like, I get why Hollywood likes that.
Oh, it's on a it's all on a train or it's on a plane and it creates this limitation in this ticking time clock and all that stuff.
But it's most of the time so unbelievable.
I'm waiting for them to come out with a movie set like
in a bike taxi or something like he's got
two hours.
It just reminds me of this is a long time ago.
There's this movie Fridays or this TV show Fridays like Saturday Night
Live.
Oh,
yeah.
And they were making fun of disaster movies like the airport, towering inferno.
And they had a parody called escalator where all these people were trapped on an escalator.
It was perfect.
That's
awesome.
Rob Thomas is here.
We'll have a couple more minutes with him after we do a very short break.
And I just want to let you guys know tomorrow on the show, Aaron Karenow will be here doing the popcorn pick of the week.
And then we've got live entertainment singer-songwriter Deandra Marie comes into the studio.
This will be her second time here, and she'll perform live.
Always fun to see Deandra, and she's great.
So tune in for that.
We'll have a few more minutes with our pal Rob Thomas after a very short break.
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This is Pete Schwabba in Nightlight, and you're listening to The Civic Media.
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Network.
Welcome
back to Night Light.
I am Pete Schwabba.
We are about to wrap things up here.
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It's a great publication.
Check it out.
There's especially if you live in Madison, but even if you don't, there's all kinds of fun stuff in there.
And like we discussed earlier, Rob found a.
a nice angle and wrote an article about what to do in Madison with your parents.
And there's all kinds of options.
That kind of stuff is what you'll find in the newsletter.
And it's just great.
Rob, so we've got a few more minutes here.
I'm going to try to get through a couple quick reviews if we could do that.
I think the last time you were here, I had seen Last Breath, but you had not.
And I thought it was great.
And you gave a review of that.
You seemed like you were a big fan.
Yeah, I liked it a lot.
Reviewed the blu-ray.
Yeah, first of all, I'm just happy movies are still coming on blu-ray with everything on streaming down and great True story about this diver being rescued from the bottom of the sea diver who fixes oil pipelines The director made a documentary about it and then went back and it's made a like a fictional film and Woody Harrelson's in it It's really good.
I partly because I think
the attention to detail and authenticity.
Like you really feel like what these divers go through and what it's like when something goes wrong.
Like it really reminded me of Apollo 13 and the sense of
like
we've got everybody trying to work together like the divers and the people on the surface and trying to solve the problem and get this guy back.
I think that is also on Peacock if you prefer streaming, but I was just happy to get a Blu-ray, had a commentary track, had that gig, real all that stuff.
So that was a lot of fun.
That's awesome.
I liked it too.
And I don't know if, like, I don't think we talked about this last time, but there was no bad guy in it.
It was just a great, like, rescue this guy, get him to safety.
You know, it was so much fun.
And it was, I mean, that was a real life miracle because that is based on a true story.
how long that guy went without oxygen.
I'm like, OK, this is a true story, but he's going to be, you know, a vegetable the rest of his life or something.
Right.
It was an incredible story.
Yeah.
And they don't they can't explain it.
They have some theories into how he managed to survive that.
But that's sort of one of the cool aspects of the story is just you just don't know.
Right.
He was totally fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Real quick, too, you watched the Cheech and Chong doc.
I've not seen that.
How is that?
I.
It's interesting, it's mixed.
The thing I liked about it was their early days, like how they met is, I thought it was totally fascinating.
Like I
had
no idea.
Like I watched the movies when I was 10 on HBO when I wasn't supposed to.
But they met like in the Vancouver comedy scene in the 60s and like Tommy Chong ran a strip club and Cheech Marin was like a draft dodger who went up there.
It's that part of the documentary.
It's really interesting.
It's interesting because in the movie, I think they...
I think they don't like each other.
And I think you see them really argue on screen.
And I think it's very sincere.
And they had a big fallout over money in the 80s.
The film tries to come up with sort of a happy reconciliation, but it feels very fake to me.
But what's kind of more interesting is their story and what they went through.
I mean, they were huge in the 70s.
They would open for the Rolling Stones and they had
you know, they made a million dollar deals on movies.
And so it's an interesting story.
I mean, I will say, I don't think I've really found them that funny, but they're interesting guys for sure.
I think, I don't think I talked about this with you, but when I was a standup, I told this story on the show a couple of weeks ago, I went up to Winnipeg.
And I was headlining before I was ready to be headlining, you know, whatever.
They brought me up and I didn't have a whole lot of clout or anything.
And they put me, they said they were going to put me in a hotel.
They put me in a room above the comedy club that smelled like weed and body odor.
And
I was
like, you know what?
I have some dignity.
And I called the club and I said, I'm not, I can't stay in here.
It's disgusting.
I'm going to vomit.
You know, it smells like weed and it smells like, you know, body odor.
It's horrible.
They said, oh, really?
Tommy Chong stayed there last week.
He didn't say anything.
I'm like, well, there you go.
So they put me at the wrong amount of that.
At some point, you stopped smelling it, probably.
Probably, but that was as
close
as I got to Tommy Chung.
Rob, we got about 60 seconds left.
Where do you stand on Marvel?
You mentioned the first film that usually comes out as a Marvel, in the summer anyways, a Marvel film.
Are you a fan or do you appreciate it or do you love it?
Where do you stand on Marvel films?
I think right now, I'm taking on a movie by movie basis.
Like for a few years there, I would see everything.
probably because my stepson was obsessed with it when he was younger.
And I feel like now it's like hit and miss.
Like I actually really liked Deadpool versus Wolverine last summer, but Captain America one I saw in the spring didn't really do it for me.
So, you know, Thunderbolts is getting pretty good reviews.
I think I'll give it a shot, but I kind of think they're past there.
peak.
I don't think they'll ever get back to where they were, you know, 10 years ago when the Avengers are really at their prime.
Go ahead, Conrad.
I agree with Rob.
I agree with you.
Captain America was not a good movie.
No, but Thunderbolts.
He loved it.
I loved it.
I think they came back after that horrible movie.
So I think they are going in the right direction because I think fantastic horror will be good as well.
So
We'll see.
We'll see.
I'm
never
rooting against them.
I just want them to be.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Rob, thank you, buddy.
Always fun.
Let's not wait so long next time.
Great having you on the show as always.
Have a great night.
Enjoy Seinfeld
if you don't go.
See you later,
buddy.
I'll save my $100.
Yeah, thank you.
Thanks.
That's Rob Thomas.
Also, thank you to Pete Levy and all your texts and calls.
Thank you to the lovable producer Conrad.
This was fun, folks.
I'm Pete Schwabba.
Good night, Wisconsin.
for this house.
I love you baby.