Spooky Greetings! (Hour 2)

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Welcome back to the morning show. It's Halloween edition.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Got your host, James here joined by Laura and Seth and the best listeners in radio.

That's you.

Thanks for being here, everybody.

We're here to have some fun. We're going to take you to the top of the hour.

Got a bunch of great things to get into.

Some entertainment news to kick things off.

And part of that is going to be coming, not only getting you the biggest Halloween songs

in the Hot 100 history.

Cool.

Like, number one, Halloween hits and things like that.

But also, we got a fun one, I think.

The greatest horror villain of every decade over the last hundred years.

Cool.

Of course, we want your favorite villains as well and your favorite characters from Halloween.

Of course.

We got some fun good stories of the day.

We got some events going on in our area, Halloween times, all of that stuff coming up.

And our listeners are going to keep getting us their Halloween costumes.

Yeah.

Their favorite Halloween memories.

Absolutely.

Nudge, nudge out there.

Yeah.

We kick things off with entertainment news and today is Halloween,

but things will get even creepier next month when Stranger Things Season 5 finally hits Netflix.

Feels like it's been forever.

It does.

The, they really wanted to let these kids age naturally.

So apparently, yeah.

Netflix just released the first full trailer for Season 5.

And in less than a day, it has racked up over eight million views.

Wow.

It features a rendition of Queens who wants to live forever.

Nice touch.

Fantastic.

Underrated Queen song.

It shows all the characters, but the main part features a full circle moment

that is pretty interesting.

But here's the reason I'm bringing it up, specifically with you two.

Okay.

Okay.

Because there is a half of people came out blowing up about the trailer,

tearing it apart, easter eggs, all that.

Right.

Literally the other half of people out there lost their minds at a certain element of this

episode of this trailer.

Love the trailer, okay.

In a scene, 11 and Mike, Elle says,

this isn't like one of your Dungeons and Dragons campaigns.

You don't get to write the ending, not this time.

And she cups his face in her hand.

It's a little sweet moment.

However, people are losing their minds over this because,

technically, this is a classic misunderstanding of D&D.

Right.

That Dungeons and Dragons act as referees,

crafting the story and guiding players through a campaign,

but a DM does not have a total control over the story,

let alone how it ends.

Is that correct?

Yes.

It can be.

It depends on...

It depends because there's endings that are crafted,

but there's also a lot of freedom to get to them.

Right.

Right.

And, well, it depends, too, on who the DM is of themselves.

There's a concept in D&D called railroading,

where you, no matter what, you want them to go to a certain place,

and you're going to do everything in your power without like telling them,

you have to go here now to get them to go to this one place

to whatever reason, right?

Well, and depending on how well you know the group you're campaigning with,

if you're in charge of doing that,

if you're...

You know how many fail safes you need to get them there,

because if you're playing with a real stubborn group,

which I tend to collect around me,

God bless you, John Boy.

Thank you for being so patient with us for so many years.

Oh, man.

Because he would have to make like three or four fail safes

to get us to the hotel we needed to get to

if we had just taken the plane path.

I've never played, but I'm tempted.

The storyteller in me loves the idea of playing and stuff,

so it's curious to me.

That's how I'm getting the reference.

Honestly, it sounds to me like,

I mean, yeah, they craft more of the ending than they do the trail, right?

And so that sounds like it's correct to me in some ways.

There you go.

Or maybe 11 doesn't get it.

Maybe she doesn't get it.

I don't know, I don't know.

Well, because the other thing is the fan theory of it is

is that this is just a D&D campaign.

Oh my gosh.

Oh, that being...

Of course, man, better not end that way.

It's better not end that way.

Like that, I hate those kind of endings.

Honestly, I hope so, because that was so traumatic

that I'd really prefer if it was just...

That's funny.

It's the hospital in the snow globe.

Yes.

It's the St. Elmo's Fire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's St. Elmo's Fire.

St. Elmo's Fire.

Yeah, I'm St. Elmo's Fire.

The Bob Newhart show.

You should also get a dance ever.

I was saying this the other day, though, with you, Laura.

It's JR.

It's Wizard of Oz's ending.

It's perfect.

It's great.

And it's the only one that can ever do that.

Like, once it's been done, I don't think you can breathe

dude. I don't think you can do those types of endings again.

The new hard ending is almost tongue and cheek.

It is, very much so.

So it kind of gets away with it for me a little bit.

And I love Bob Newhart, basically.

It's a joke, yeah.

And so that way, that's a little bit different.

But otherwise, I hate that.

As you probably know by now, the first four episodes

will be released on November 26th.

Else, wherever, or else, at once.

And then the next three episodes will drop on Christmas.

And the two-hour finale will hit on New Year's Eve.

That's weird.

Oh, I'm just going to wait until they're all there.

That's, that's a weird release, guys.

That's annoying.

Yeah, I will give them the tiny bit of grace

of that this is a new way of doing this.

Why?

All streaming.

All streaming is a little different.

However, I take it back because we already know how to do this.

TV gave us the model of how to do this.

Yeah, why?

You don't need to do these weird kind of like, if you're going to...

Why?

Do it weekly?

Yeah.

A new episode every week.

That's what I think of that.

Or release it all at once.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, either or.

Like, does this...

This is...

Releasing chunks at a time is very strange.

All it does, and I don't know, I doubt it does to anybody else.

But to me, every time Netflix,

and Netflix is the biggest guilty one of this,

and Netflix does this, they're just screaming to me

how desperate they are.

Yeah.

They're just begging to do it with the Wednesday show.

They're doing it with all their hits.

And they don't have a lot of them anymore.

No.

No, because they keep canning everything.

And nothing's popular until the second season.

I really, I don't think it's unrealistic

to think a couple of years from now,

Netflix might not even be around.

Like, I don't know.

There's not an effort.

Making new hits.

Now, other people have lapped them in the industry.

When everything becomes satellite TV again,

we will have a Netflix network.

Yeah, you are so right.

Yep.

Let's get into the biggest Halloween songs

in a Hot 100 history.

Cool.

Billboard put together a list

of the 25 biggest Halloween hits

based on their position on the Hot 100 charts.

They also factored in the number of weeks

each song spent at its respective peak position.

All right.

Okay.

A fun list.

I'm going to go from 15 to one here.

At number 15,

the, I don't know, the scariest or anything,

but I think the earliest and most,

maybe one of the most wonderful beginnings

of a song of all time,

Black Magic Woman from Santana.

Sure.

That's a fun one.

That beginning, man.

Yes, it's good.

It's just his guitar.

And I hear, I remember,

because I hearing it off of vinyl,

the crackling.

Oh, yeah.

That makes it a little bit,

atmosphere.

And add it to it.

Add it to it.

It hit a peak position of number four on the charts.

Oh, okay.

All the way up to the number four on the top 100.

Yep.

And then again,

this is just 100,

top 100 songs,

and Halloween songs or anything like that on the pop chart.

At number 14,

the classic,

the wonderful,

bad moon rising from Creens Clearwater Revival.

Yeah.

I would not have guessed that was a hit.

I wouldn't have guessed.

I love that song.

Love that song.

But I wouldn't have guessed it was a hit.

Yeah, hit number two.

Hit number two.

Wow.

That's that's that's

higher than I thought.

Number 13, Devilwoman from Cliff Richard.

Peaked at number six.

At number 12,

spooky from classics four.

Classics four.

I guess that peak did number three.

Yes, that's a that's a very cool.

I mean, it's called spooky.

I mean,

it is that's part of it.

But also, man,

you want to hear a very cool version of that.

Dusty Springfield.

Yep.

Did a very good version of that song.

It's awesome.

Yeah.

Dusty Springfield,

a sneaky ghost-like haunting voice.

Very, very, very,

a little bit of a haunting type voice to her.

At number 11,

demons,

Imagine Dragons.

That peak did number six.

Sure.

Oh,

don't know that one.

I don't think I know that one either.

Yeah, I knew.

You just don't know how to do that.

You just don't know how to do that.

I hear a T that you know that song.

You're right.

Both of you.

Yeah.

At number 10,

devil inside from inaccess.

That peak did number two.

Sure.

Really?

I didn't realize it was that number two.

I didn't realize it was that popular either.

Wow.

It's funny to me when it songs that we live through.

I don't remember it being popular.

I wouldn't have guessed it hit number two on the charts.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Wow.

Anything inaccess, I'm good with.

Yeah.

At number nine,

devil with a blue dress.

Oh, good golly, Miss Molly.

Mitch Ryder and the Detroit wheels.

Oddly enough, to me,

I would have guessed that was a number one hit.

It peaked at number four,

but I would have thought that was a

that was some of these songs too,

like really got going in all these radio.

They weren't as big hits when they were out,

but they, yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Oh, that's a black cat from Janet Jackson.

Pick number one.

Oh, that is a good song, man.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Full album is fantastic.

It's a great album.

It's a great album.

Number seven, dark lady from share,

peaked at number one.

Okay.

Oh, we did, boy.

Talk about a forgotten song.

Wow.

You don't hear that one at all anymore.

Every time a share,

deep cut on a Halloween edition

of about things with WFH.

And another one song too.

That's, yeah.

Fantastic.

And you're right.

This is a deep cut too.

So at number six,

and every time I say it,

it gets stuck in my head,

it'll probably be there all day.

Great.

Somebody's watching me from Rockwell.

Know that peaked at number two?

Wow.

Man, it was a hit,

but that's impressive.

I did not realize it hit that well.

And now we hit our top five,

and I think there's going to be

some familiar favorites,

like at number five,

on our own from Ghostbusters 2,

from Bobby Brown.

Sure.

Oh my god.

I forgot all about that song.

I also fully forgot about that song.

I had the Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack

on cassette tape,

and I wore it out, man.

Yeah, I don't know why,

but I did.

And it was, yeah, that song, man.

Oh, I miss.

I really genuinely mean this.

I miss the soundtracks songs

that were built for the movie.

Yes.

Yeah, I miss when they did that.

Those were so fun.

They were literally commissioned artists to do that.

There are artists out there

right now that are popular

that I think would be very good at that,

and would love that gig.

Yeah.

I mean, you have one of the most

serious artists in history

that took an actual smaller paycheck

than you'd expect

to do the Batman soundtrack in Prince.

And it's Prince.

It's Prince.

If Prince could do it,

and not take himself too seriously to do that one.

Let's take it even less seriously, right?

The Lion King with Elton John

or Phil Collins with Tarzan.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And number four,

the monster from M&M in Rihanna.

That peaked at number one.

That was a number one hit.

That's a good one.

I would have put this at number,

this top three is actually pretty darn amazing.

And I don't know if we can really mess with it.

And number three, Frankenstein

from the Edgar winner group,

peaked at number one.

And number two,

who are you going to call?

Ghostbusters.

Ghostbusters.

Oh, Ray Parker Jr.

That peaked at number one.

Yeah, it did.

That's a classic.

It did peaked at number one.

I did not forget about this one.

Unfortunately, I learned somewhat recently

about the making of that song.

Oh, no.

Not done, not done.

Oh, no, no.

No, so it kind of can be ruined

in a little bit for me.

Oh, we're going to have to talk about that.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah.

And at number one, of course,

of course.

Bobby Boris Pickett and the Crypt Kickers.

I love that name.

Monster Mesh, peaked at number one.

Oh, my God.

Spectacular.

Do you think that they thought about, like,

doing other music?

Like, you come out with that name that's so specific

and so like that?

No, here's what happened.

They had that song in the bank.

And they were ready to make it.

And they're like, nope,

we're making the band for the song.

Right.

Well, and he did not give himself that,

Bobby Pickett did not give him,

people gave him the nickname Boris

because of his excellent Boris Karloff impression,

which he does in the song.

And that's why they put it in there.

But yeah, there is a whole album

that's based on from that record

of all Halloween, like Dracula,

his Dracula's even better, by the way,

than his thing.

It's a fun album.

It is so much fun.

Yes, they did.

They gave us a gift for Halloween.

It's fantastic.

If you haven't heard the whole thing,

check it out.

It's fun.

It's not all the streaming services, so.

But that was how they did it back then, right?

They had a song and they would build a band

around the song.

That's right.

I think one of the things that they get wrong,

whether we're talking about movie, TV,

or music producers is so much of this,

oh, we got to cover everything.

We got to have a little of this,

a little of that or whatever.

No, be niche.

Be niche, I think the more specific

the more you hit at certain audience,

the more that you're, you know,

you may not get everybody,

but you really get that full end of the whole lot.

And that's the thing.

People don't understand how cool it could be

to have just billions of different artists

with billions of people listening to them

for billions of different reasons.

Yeah.

Not just five ultra-famous

super-balty billionaire artists.

I can guarantee that when they went into the studio

to record this, they weren't thinking,

this is going to be an iconic Halloween song.

It's going to be popular forever.

This is going to be fun.

Yep, let's see what happens.

These are fun and they sound cool.

Let's see what happens.

Yep.

And it became a gigantic hit.

It spawned a whole bunch of like silly songs

and all these kinds of stuff.

So I mean, yeah.

Great stuff.

Looking at what's new in your small,

no, real big releases as far as in the movie theaters

and everything today, which is a little disappointing

actually.

A Halloween.

Why would they do that?

But looking at what's new in your small screen,

the game six of the World Series.

Oh, yeah.

It gets scary for Dodger fans.

It could be Toronto's up three, two, could end it here,

which is just crazy.

And I want to hear everybody that complained

that Dodger's bought baseball and where they stand

if they lose.

I want to see how it goes.

Celebrity Wheel of Fortune is on tonight.

Candace Parker, Dwight Howard, Rich Eisen.

Going to be on there.

Oh, really?

Wow.

Special congratulations to Candace Parker

making the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame recently.

Cool.

Cool.

Let's see here.

It welcomed the dairy.

It's going to be on HBO Max.

And game seven of the World Series

is this Saturday, if necessary.

Right.

Saturday, I'm paramount.

There's a streaming show that looks actually kind of good

called the Cut Starring Orlando Bloom as a Boxer

comes out of retirement.

John Tutoro was in it too.

Interesting.

I like Orlando Bloom.

I thought he was the perfect, like a Los.

Perfect.

We're going to change the thing.

Great in the Pirates movies and everything.

This version of Orlando Bloom we're getting.

And you can go back to the Amazon show,

something Ali, I can't think of it.

He's changed.

He has really, he took a, he really worked at the craft,

took some classes, did a couple of things,

and has had a like a real like one of those coming back

to home moments of art.

And he is like bringing some really good acting to the game.

I'm not putting him in the top 100 or anything,

but he's really like shown that he's why he's here.

It's not just a pretty face.

Yeah.

He's a good actor.

He does have a pretty face though.

He's a handsome guy.

And Santa Night Live Miles Teller is hosting Santa Night Live

this weekend with Brandy Carlyle as the music guest.

Very cool.

I love Brandy's coming back.

I hate Miles Teller, but I love Brandy Carlyle.

I love Brandy Carlyle.

Also, Santa Night football, Washington Versiaddle

should be a good one.

Oh, okay.

And of course, on your local theater stage,

be sure to join our great friends over at Center

Wisconsin Area Community Theater.

Legally blonde the musical.

Yeah.

They have just two more shows for you to check.

You can go ahead and catch them tonight at seven

or tomorrow at seven.

I say everyone wear pink tonight.

Yeah.

They're going wear pinks.

Very cool.

Yeah, let's do it.

These shows take place at the beautiful century theater

at 1800 North Point Drive in Stevens Point by local support,

local support the arts.

Head on over there and check out that show everybody.

And while we're talking about it,

I just got like everybody else in their email box

a new edition of the WFHR newsletter.

Yeah.

Very cool.

Wonderful work in there.

Really fun reporting too.

Like, yeah, Mel got a really cool story out of that visit

with Senator Teston and the mayor on Monday.

And the article is really, really cool.

You should, you should check it out.

Head on over to WFHR.com and while you're over there,

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Yeah, you should do that.

We're putting together an 85th anniversary cookbook

to celebrate 85 years around here.

We'll be hitting that hard next month, everybody.

Yeah, we are.

And we're celebrating it all month long.

Yes, all month long, we're celebrating our 85th.

Because it's next week.

Yeah, we're looking forward to that.

And the FHR is turning 85.

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Yes.

We will take quick time out, come back

and have some more fun on this Halloween edition

of the Morning Show.

Welcome back, everybody.

Morning, show here at WFHR, locally grown radio.

I cannot encourage you enough to look up the video

for this song.

Yes.

It's so good.

It's just so good.

It loses a little bit of its magic

when you realize it's screaming Jay Hawkins.

That's just who he is.

Right.

That's basically what he is.

But he's not ducked.

Yeah, yeah.

A lot of kids.

A lot of kids.

A lot of kids.

Yes.

And I'm not even like trying to be a jerk here or anything.

I just, when I first looked him up,

it's literally the first thing that pops up

is how many children he has.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a lot of that.

A lot of that we're learning.

And as far as like topics for Halloween,

that can be a little bit uncomfortable and everything.

Because that is the holiday.

It's an awkward holiday, an uncomfortable holiday.

But I think one of the other things

that I love about Halloween is the possibilities.

Sure.

It's a holiday of possibilities.

And we don't have a ton of that.

There's something about it to me that just,

I don't know.

It not only brings out the kid and everybody,

but the possibilities that exist on Halloween.

The thing, I find it so interesting.

The fact that you get to change for one night,

you get to be something different, right?

And no one cares, right?

You can do whatever and people are like,

oh, yeah, it's Halloween.

You know that kind of thing.

And that doesn't cost anything.

So that's right.

Yeah, that's always the most.

But with that, Halloween and the talk of how much

this holiday can cost, how many people

aren't able to afford it or have had to find ways around it,

we're just talking about Halloween.

Get ready for Christmas.

Oh, good Lord.

That's going to be another one to look at.

You want to talk scary.

That's that could be scary.

The prices are skyrocketing these days

and you might need a payment plan

to just cover a trick or treat candy.

I'm kidding.

But it sounds like people are really pulling back this year

and not just pulling back and saying,

oh, we can't do it, but pulling back and finding ways,

oh, we're still going to celebrate.

We're still going to have a fun time.

Yeah.

A new poll asked over 7,500 people,

how much do you plan to spend on Halloween this year,

including all the fixings?

22% said less than $25.

19% said less 25 to 49.

12% said 50 to 100.

And just 6% said that they were going to drop

over $100 on Halloween.

Wow.

9% were not sure.

Yeah, boomers in Midwest and South seemed

to be cutting back the most.

Another report says that the average person

is expected to spend less than $100.

Okay.

And the 7,500 people were also asked

if they plan to give out candy for trick or treaters.

41% said yes, 45% said no, and 14% weren't sure.

Okay.

And people were asked if they plan to personally

take any children trick or treating this year.

Only 19% said yes, 72% said no.

Wow.

Wow.

So that's, I don't know.

I mean, there's too many factors to say,

this is wrong.

No, no, no, no.

You're right.

Yeah.

I mean, there might be groups going in that kind of stuff.

I mean, you might, because you see a bunch of kids

get together in groups and do this kind of stuff.

Yeah.

So many families nowadays too, what they'll do

is the modern version, I think, of trick or treating

and going to trunk or treat events and go to this event

and then to this event.

And they're carpooling from trunk or treat to trunk or treat

and then ending up at somewhere that's

having an event at night and then heading home for bed.

There you go.

I feel like the thing I've seen the most over the last five,

six years, whatever it is, is what you just said

they're lower the carpooling thing and to which

I don't know if I'm jealous of or I feel for kids

because that's one where we froze our tails off usually,

was walking around.

But also where we got into the most mischief.

So I don't know which one I am.

You know, that's the one thing that I always forget.

I think a lot of the parents might be in the same boat as you

and that's why we've come to do it this way.

Yeah, very smart, very smart.

And I apologize for ruining it for all the kids out there.

Oh, they're having plenty of fun.

I can assure you.

Sure, sure.

I again come back to this and I especially

with a government shutdown going on and so many other things,

it feels like every other day that is bringing us down

or tearing apart at what we are as a community, as a society.

We kept this going.

No matter what the price is, we're still doing this.

People are still dressing up.

People are still celebrating Halloween.

A holiday that has no religious ties to it

has not at least as far celebrating.

I know the history, but I'm talking about it right now.

We know what you mean.

It has no, you know, we're not forced to.

It's not mandated.

It's not as if there's even a social pressure

to do this necessarily now.

We just like it.

We just like it.

And remember that everybody.

Don't just remember that now.

Remember that initiative.

Remember that drive, that creativity that we have

when we get to election seasons,

when we have these different things, we did this.

We the people.

Well, and remember that this,

this is a universalizer.

We, we, this is, you don't know how all of your neighbors

are about politics or anything like that,

but you know that they're doing Halloween with you.

Well, right, and that's, you know, that's a great point too.

It's one of those days where the,

where, you know, throughout,

this is a historical thing too,

where the bottom, it's like the bottom rail on top kind of thing,

where it's the lower classes get to do stuff

they usually weren't able to do, right?

Because they didn't have the funds or anything,

but they would be able to do that.

And it does.

It's a great equalizer in a lot of ways.

Just going to say Halloween is a great equalizer.

Yeah, really is.

Happy Halloween, everybody.

We'll get to our news, sports, entertainment,

and partner break when we come back.

We are talking about the greatest horror villains

of every decade over the last hundred years.

Yes, awesome.

Coming up.

I love the way he sings this song.

It's so nonchalant.

So where we'll sit there having pancakes.

Yeah.

It's great stuff.

Great stuff.

Great songwriter.

Welcome back to the show.

Everybody.

It was perfect.

Just a couple of werewolves and rapids here.

Melora, Seth, James.

Hope you're having a good one out there.

I don't love that my name was first

after calling us werewolves.

Yeah, I am.

It's my politeness to say the woman's name first,

but didn't work there.

Didn't work there.

No, did not.

Horror movies have existed for as long as movies have existed.

Yep.

Period.

Like they really have.

It's some of the earliest movies that were created.

We're created to give people thrill, scare, suspense.

So Nerdist.com put together a list of the greatest horror

villain of every decade over the last century.

OK.

Have some fun with this one, but also audience participation.

Please.

Your favorite villains.

Yes.

Your favorite villains.

And I want your guys' favorite villain as well.

OK.

I think that because I don't see him on this list,

I will say one of my favorites, and I think it's a sneaky good one,

I would say, is Jack Torrance, Jack Nicholson's character

from The Shining.

Ooh.

I think part of what makes him so horrifying

is that it's so understandable or could happen to you kind of thing.

It seems organic, yeah.

He wasn't bitten by something.

He didn't have some, it wasn't a moonless night

and something happened to him or something like that.

It's just, you know, the idea of being isolated.

The mysteries of the human brain, that's scary.

While I'm numb to the movie, his performance is just incredible.

It is.

It is incredible.

Yeah.

Going back to 1920, Count Orlock from Nuff's Faroctube.

Yes.

Of course.

Still, maybe the greatest horror movie of all time.

Wow.

That's the makeup they chose for.

By the way, it's also, have been the most,

it's been the closest to what Bram Stoker described

in the novel Dracula as what he looked like when you first see him.

He's more rat-like than he is not the Swav Bellagosi kind of type.

He's much more like a vermin.

Yeah.

He's a fun transformation.

Scariest monster is that version of Dracula.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Down, down, down, down.

And in the 1930s, we stay with the Count Count Dracula,

the Bellagosi's from Dracula.

Wow.

I'm surprised.

Frankenstein's monster didn't get in there for a 30s.

I was shocked when I saw that.

That's cool though.

But that's a great honorable mention right there.

Yeah, absolutely.

Went all honorable mentions for these, by the way.

Please.

I would say, oh no, we got to wait a little bit.

Oh, no.

1940s, The Wolfman, Lawn Cheney, Jr.

Lawn Cheney Jr.

Yes.

You got to give it that.

That's some of the best movie makeup

that the Wolfman makeup was just fantastic.

From my pop-up.

Yeah, it's hair.

That's what it is.

Oh, it's hair.

It's what they use.

Yeah.

So talking to my Nana Papa about this one, when we would talk scary movies, and for them,

Wolfman would come up.

Sure.

Part of it was that it could happen to some human being that somebody you know walking

around day to day and everything.

Right.

And that's what made it scary.

Yeah.

But it was the scene.

The change.

The transformation.

The whole floor of the transformation.

Back then, you didn't see many things like that where they would seep the film into

each other and everything in early filmmaking and be able to show that transformation.

It's so creative, the way they do it, and it freaks kids out, freaks them out, and

seeing everything like that.

Right.

So it's kind of interesting.

I think that's pretty cool.

In the 1950s, Rhonda Pennmark from The Bad Seed, one of the original evil kid movies.

Wow.

Wow.

Really?

The 50s, when they had giant monsters everywhere, like the atomic fear of these, you know, the

giant ants and the spiders and the grasshopper and you name it.

There was a giant one.

It was so fun.

I love those movies.

They're deadly mantis.

I mean, yes.

Oh, off.

You know, something gigantic can be very scary, monsters can be very scary, but we see

a theme already building here that there is nothing scarier than people.

Then people are the scariest things.

Yes.

At the 1960s, maybe one of the greatest performances ever, Norman Bates at Psycho.

Yeah.

That is very creepy.

Very creepy.

Very creepy.

He's too good in that.

This is a monster and a person.

Yes.

Wow.

1970s, it starts to change up a little bit and you've got Michael Myers from Halloween.

Sure.

The birth of the slasher film.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm about that.

That's important to me.

1980s, of course.

Freddie Krueger from A Nightmare Before.

M. String.

Yeah.

You changed the game, though.

He did.

And part, not only the breaking of the fourth wall, but the comedic part of it.

This monster had a personality.

Yep.

You were secretly rooting for this monster.

There was a part of you that was kind of into his bit.

Look at these dumb kids, man.

Somebody should...

Oh, hey.

And you're like, oh, you know what?

He's right.

Oh, man.

Am I a bad person?

Here's the thing.

I couldn't agree with you guys more in one giving credit to Robert England and being

through all the makeup and everything and not only being to be funny, but the comedic

timing of Robert England is never going to be appreciated.

It never would have been what it was without him.

And maybe it's just me, maybe I was the writing or what it was.

I don't know.

But you guys hit on something there that I think is important.

I don't know that we were ever even supposed to root for the kids.

Were there any likeable cast kids, like the way that those characters were?

That's right.

I mean, any of the nightmares I didn't see all of them.

But I remember seeing at least a couple of them.

Well, they did change it up in the later ones when they got more like the dream warriors

and all these kinds of things.

Oh, my God.

When they replicated the story on the end.

Well, they did.

And then you were supposed to root for the kids because they're, you know, they're taking

charge and going after Freddie, you know, and his turf and that kind of stuff.

But the original one, you're absolutely right.

The original from 1984.

That's definitely a...

Yeah.

I think what you said about secretly rooting for Freddie, it's like, yeah, because they...

That's how you changed him.

Yeah, he was a monster when he was alive.

But he was basically lynched by the community.

And then he's taking revenge on all these lousy kids, you know, like kind of things.

Is it any wonder the generation that grew up with that would go on to, you know, look

at Hannibal Lecter as a charming character?

Right.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And you see where the villain went with that and where we are now.

Yeah, it was game changing.

Yeah.

Look at the money Disney has made off of villains.

Yeah.

By bringing back old villains and just making them a feature movie and all of a sudden they're

the hero of the story and stuff and everything.

Candyman from the 1990s.

Absolutely.

Really?

Yeah.

There were a lot of views for the 90s, though.

I was thinking like the screen...

I mean, maybe it's because it's just a mass of the screen killer because it's always someone

dear friend.

It's always someone different.

So you can't really...

Yeah, I can't really say...

Close second.

But Candyman isn't very terrifying with Tony Todd.

I mean, right.

Tony Todd legend of the actor.

So scary.

So scary.

Yeah.

Such a good character.

A lot of great roles over the years for Tony Todd.

That definitely being the one that he was known for.

In the 2000s, did Jigsaw kill her from Saw?

Yeah.

I'm with you.

That's definitely the one for that.

I mean, they overdid it so much.

No, absolutely.

But that's part of why he's the one for that decade.

That's right.

The first saw is the only one you need to watch.

Really?

You already know the bit.

It's very well written.

Yeah.

It's very well written.

It's very well acted.

And if anything, seeing Carrie L. Ways like that, he thought for that role.

He really wanted that.

Oh, I'm sure that his agent was like, are you kidding me?

Yeah.

You don't want to do this.

Are you crazy?

Yeah.

He wanted that part.

Good movie.

Actually, good movie.

I think all the ones are just, you know, whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That first one now.

And 2010s, Annabella, from the Conjuring universe.

Oh, Annabelle.

Annabelle, sorry.

Those movies, based on Robert.

So much money.

The last one that just came out a couple months ago.

Oh, that's right.

They did just have another Annabelle.

It made so much money.

Yeah.

The whole Conjuring series.

Yeah.

I mean, it's amazing.

Yeah.

I saw the first one because it was based on a true story and all those things and everything.

Again, acting.

Just the actors that they choose for these.

It's very similar to what we've talked about, or maybe I've just rambled about a lot

with the superhero movies.

The game changed when you started getting a listers doing these things, right?

And it's no different than with a list talent.

Maybe it's not a household name or anything like that, but the two actors that are playing

those two real-life characters in the Conjuring are incredible actors.

Yes.

And it plays the Vera Fleming, is it?

It's something I can't remember.

I feel very bad.

I can't remember her name, but she's very good.

Love her.

Love her work.

Always mess up her name.

Yeah.

But both of them are really good.

It's not an easy name to pronounce.

Whether it's Robert England or Tony Todd or Boris Karloff or Lon Cheney Jr.

When you have an A-list talented actor playing this role and going all in, there's a reason

they become legendary.

I got to put one back and I didn't think about this till after we were back in the

1920s.

Oh, yeah.

My favorite scenes in all of film history is when Lon Cheney Sr., the Phantom of the

Opera, when they reveal his makeup in that film, it's like one of the best moments in

film history.

Oh, you said it.

It looks right at the camera.

I mean, it's a fantastic makeup that he did himself, people forget Lon Cheney Sr. did

all of his own makeup.

So I mean, and that he was just a fantastic, oh, he was the camera is too close and that's

what part of what hits it.

It's so, it's so there.

I don't know if it happens, but I remember somebody commenting, it looks almost like the

camera jumps back because it's frightened by his, what his face looks like.

So it's, I love that scene.

It's fantastic.

I've joked many times that, you know, growing up and watching the shining at seven years

old, I got a little numb to these things.

But I will say as a kid, you know, my Nana would have horror movies on, my mom would have

horror movies on, my mom would read a Stephen King book and tell my sister and I about

it.

Like those things.

Okay.

So I was a kid and my first impressions of the Wizard of Oz were, oh, this is amazing.

It just went from black and white to color.

How incredible.

It went from the real world to a make you should universe.

Right.

Oh, this is amazing.

And it pulls me in and I'm excited.

I'm literally really close to the TV.

And then that which shows up.

And those flying monkeys, man, and like by the next time I saw it, it was numb to me.

I didn't, but that first initial time, the tackle her, like the monkey.

For the rest of my life, from that moment on, anytime I think of a witch, that's the

first impression of a witch I have, man, is her incredible performance.

The great Margaret Hamilton, oh, my gosh, she was so, she was a conical, so good.

Like I do remember, like not being scared so much as just freaked, like just like a jump

scary.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Totally.

Totally.

She wasn't scary in that kind of way.

It was chilling.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Just perfect.

For me, the things that, as far as the traditional definition of scary or whatever,

Hitchcock, anything Hitchcock got the first time watching it or a thriller kind of

thing.

There's no.

Go to goblins.

Yeah.

But the, his ability to create tension was, I mean, seconded up.

Yeah.

Yeah, always give me.

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